Was I Wrong? | 5150 Iconic EL34 VS 6L6

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@jamesbrown7468 3 ай бұрын

Nice comparison. One note is that EL34 power amp tubes have higher transconductance than 6L6’s, which translates to a bit higher gain. That’s why the Volume doesn’t match. And as someone else mentioned here, the bigger difference is in the Ch1 with OD which is a bit thicker on the attack than the 6L6. This isn’t as dramatic as some of the EL34 5150 III’s. And a reminder that the footswitch Boost adds an 8dB input boost even when the volume boost knob is down. So check that out✌️

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

This is great info to know! I did check out the green channel and had similar results, but I will definitely dive into that some more especially with the OD engaged. Thank you so much for watching! 😄

@MKRISING75 Ай бұрын

I finally got to try a 5150 iconic 6L6 version half stack and I was freaking amazed that’s the first time in decades I got to play a tube amp it had such a quick attack and I was in amp heaven! Me and my brother (R.I.P) had an original 5150 block letter in 1992 and he had to sell it because of CC debt.🥹

@jamesbrown7468 Ай бұрын

@ glad you like the new one ✌️

@MKRISING75 Ай бұрын

@@jamesbrown7468 I have no idea why people complained about the amp it was awesome would love to try the EL34 one definitely a dream amp for sure 🤟🏻

@markp4818 28 күн бұрын

Which one do you prefer?

@OldManJamGearClips-p5x 3 ай бұрын

Great video, Have few 5150's. The Iconic. el34 has become my fav amp ever.Into 4x12 cabs is especially good ..the sound..the playing feel. the in room response since the moment first fired it up has been impressive.The attack is spot on and very responsive to dif pickups . Am lil more old school & it reminds me of the Marshall i always wanted. It pairs so well with dif speakers. Recorded so well in a full song

@RolanTHUNDER 3 ай бұрын

Good video! I like those riffs and song too. I love how warm that EL34 version sounds. I knew right off the bat based on the power tube configuration of each how they would sound but listening to them back to back really highlighted the warmth of the EL34 and chill of the 6L6. I'd be happy with either. That being said I'd choose the EL34 if I had to pick just one :) And BTW I like how you just went into it with your 7 string in drop A on the red channel... no cleans in sight

@jorgea.9988 Ай бұрын

The EL34 version looks so beautiful and classy, I would choose it just because of that 😁.

@jamesallanburruto 3 ай бұрын

Excellent review friend

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for watching and enjoying! 😄

@SonicDriveStudio 3 ай бұрын

Great video man! They both sound great. I think I would go for the 6L6

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

Hey Jon! Thank you so much dude, I think the 6L6 is what I like as well 😄

@LucasLeCompteMusic 3 ай бұрын

Sounds sick!

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much dude! 😄

@vincelupone 3 ай бұрын

This is a REALLY good video. You have great tone, and great counterpoint. When you played each amp individually, I absolutely felt the EL34 amp was the superior model. However when you put them in a mix, the 6L6 one just sounded way better with the other instruments. Much like an older 5150 or a Dual Rec, it adds higher highs and lower lows, making more room for the other instruments. You actually swayed me from the EL34 model to the 6L6. Nice job!

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for watching and enjoying my video! I find that the EL34 was great on lead parts while for the chuggier tighter rhythm parts the 6L6 does great! 😄

@cancian123 3 ай бұрын

Nobody is talking about 15:20 That was killer. What is the name of the music?

@danshee5033 3 ай бұрын

Im eyeing the EL34 now! 🔥 thanks :))

@markusaurelius777 3 ай бұрын

Guy says there's barely ANY difference ...and you said that? LMAO

@justsomerandomguyman 3 ай бұрын

Not sure why people keep associating "British" with "warm" when Marshall is known for having very bright sounding amps with a lot of high mids. They are not known for warmth.

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

When I think about "british" tone i don't think Marshall. I usually think more along the lines of Orange Amplification which definitely has more prominent mids.

@brandonbryson3317 3 ай бұрын

Agreed. I think crunchy and high mid/treble kerrang. Not warm.

@Emmanuelleroy-s8c 2 ай бұрын

@@HighImpaktAudioVOX amps

@JohnWiku Ай бұрын

@@Emmanuelleroy-s8c bright, piercing AF tones 😂😂😂 Even brighter tone than the famous Marshall's KERRANG 😂😂

@emartinezr 3 ай бұрын

I like the 6L6 better. Tighter, more attack... it comes ready for 80s hair, to thrash to deathmetal chainsaw... amazing amp. EL34 is still a really good sounding amp. Just feels a bit more like a lot of other amps. Less polarizing. 6L6 has its own distinct tone and flavour......

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

I definitely agree with the attack on the 6L6. For my style of playing i rely on that attack to be there for the chugs. and the EL34 has so super smooth sounding lead tones. I think ill have a place for both flavors!

@rollingstart_90s 2 ай бұрын

After watching your video, my main takeaway is basicly this. TO ME, the EL34 has a more ear pleasing, "natural" and "warmer" tone, while the 6L6 sounds like a harsher and thinner sound, something that a young, inexperienced metal enthusiast would like. 6L6 has a grainy and overall fizzy undertone, that will most likely fatigue ones ears sooner or later.

@Patrick-oi4ur Ай бұрын

I think Eddie would have liked the 34. It reminds me more of his brown sound.

@shanemanp6057 3 ай бұрын

great video thanks

@robjohnson5829 3 ай бұрын

Great video. What drum library did you use here?

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

I used the Get Good Drums PIV kit on this one. Thank you so much for watching, and enjoying 😄

@btnilc69 3 ай бұрын

According to James Brown, the tonal difference was on the green channel. Possibly test that channel?

@HighImpaktAudio 3 ай бұрын

I did check the green channel when I wasn't filming and to me it did the same thing that the red channel did. It had that full warm tone. At least that's what I was hearing. Either way there was quite a difference in the voicing of the red channe EQ wisl that I showcased. I'm not sure if the green channel effects the red channel, but there was definitely a difference

@btnilc69 3 ай бұрын

Much respect to James Brown, but I do feel they left money on the table with this design, essentially replicating a tone that was not well received in the 50 watt EL 34 model...a fatter, flubbier version and calling it "warmer"...Definitely may have been beyond his control, in that regard. If they had gone away from that tonal choice, and created a more bright and tight, high mid focused M style channel, this amplifier would be incredibly popular, so much so to potentially cannibalize sales from their more expensive model(s), and arguably why that direction was not chosen. Again, just my opinion...

@jamesbrown7468 3 ай бұрын

@@btnilc69it’s not nearly as loose as the 50w EL34 ✌️

@OldManJamGearClips-p5x 3 ай бұрын

@@jamesbrown7468 This amp is so good for us coming from the Marshall side of things. Especially fighting for more gain in JCM 800's & JMP's back in the early days. It's the modded Marshall that does the tones been looking for but also does the heavies excellent which is just a bonus for me, It is so responsive to speaker & cab changes & it loves being hit in front end with dif pickups. If you started on 4 holers my gosh what a tone weapon this is,

@jamesbrown7468 3 ай бұрын

@@OldManJamGearClips-p5x I know what you mean…. Remember playing through a JMP in high school AFTER Van Halen hit and thought “🤷‍♂️”….it’s been a lifelong quest to make amps that you could get great heavy tones without having to turn it all the way up ✌️

@The_Bass_Stunters 2 ай бұрын

Not that I would want to record with either of these amps but the 6L6 version might would cut through the mix a little easier. Although the audio engineer would take care of any necessary edit.

@darylhicks7008 2 ай бұрын

@jamesbrown7468 I bought both the EL34 and the 6L6 last Saturday. I set them both up next to my JCM 800 and I have to say, the EL34 gets pretty close to the JCM 800 tone on the green channel with overdrive on and drive set about 2. With a TS9 Tube Screamer in front of it with level dimed, tone at 12 o'clock and drive at 0. Eq Settings were Low at 8, mid 4, trebbile 8, resonance 2, Prescence 6. Kick in that TS9 and closed my eyes, and A-B back and fourth to my 2203 JCM 800 and sounds incredibly close On red channel, same eq settings and red channel drive at 2 with a Boss SD1 overdrive in front, drive at 0, tone at 12 o'clock and level dimed it has a killer tone for the heavvier stuff. I don't like the burn button, it is just way to much. I also running a CE5 Stero chorus, HOF Reverb, FlahBack2 delay and a EH 720 Looper in the effects loop and do not use the amp reverb. In front I am running Les Paul Custom Shop into a TU2 tunner, into Boss 200EQ to better shape the tone, into Morley Mark Tremonti Wah, then to MXR Phase 90, OC5 Octave, SD1, TS9 last in Chain is NS2 Noise gate. The EQ pedal allows you to refine the tone really well. After 5 days of having both, I settled on the EL34 and returned the 6L6. The El34 is just a little more reminiscent of the classic Marshall tone. A bit warmer, and not as harsh as the 6L6. If I was a hardcore metal player, then the 6L6 would have been my choice. For me, the EL34 is a winner. And I forgot to mention the clean channel. Same EQ settings, but I do have a dedicated eq channel on the boss EQ 200 just for clean that gives probably the best clean tone I have ever heard from any amp. I have a fender twin reverb, and a 1977 Roland Jazz Chorus 120 I usually A-B with my JCM 800 for cleans, and the tone I got out of the EL34 with the eq pedal, is surprisingly better. No need for me to lug multiple amps to the gig now. Being a diehard vintage amp snob, I was very reluctant to give this a try. But wow!! I am glad I did. The vintage stuff can stay at home now where it is safe, and this will now be my gigging amp. Less to haul around to achieve great tones all in one head versuses A-B ing 2 amps, two mics in front and two channels to dial in on front of house board. This is a win for me. Never thought I would say this, and immediatley hated it until I gave it a try. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. PS: I spent about 6 hours total, tone shapping with EQ 200 to each specific channel to achieve the tones I finally dig. TS9 on Green Channel with Overdrvive engaged, and SD1 for Red Channel no burn button. The burn will never be used. And one final tweak, I removed the front grill and took off the 5150 and EVH logo and put behind the grill. Looks a lot better estetically. Now it's a custom lol

@paulkline3011 Ай бұрын

I have the 6L6. I have an Ibanez tube Screamer and I actually prefer the amp without it. With the extra burn option I get a tone I'm happy with. But I'm not in a band. I'm just a bedroom player these days. Well, actually basement player. 😂

@gravelrocks5588 3 ай бұрын

I have the 6L6 version. Had to get it because of Eddie's legacy last creation. But I wish they made them the size of the stealth 50, for example. Full size heads are just too hard to carry around to shows

@jerryvc86 2 ай бұрын

To me the 6L6 has more of a raw, bareback sound while the EL34 has more of a “hat’s on” kind of sound if you get what I’m saying.

@JohnWiku Ай бұрын

Bruhh, socks stay on or off? 😂😂

@TimberMoto 28 күн бұрын

@@JohnWiku😂😂😂

@judochop61 10 күн бұрын

I just got rid of my JVM 210H it was way too hard to dial in and too much noise from the head after the tubes got hot this was actually not my first Marshall and they always give me problems........so when I heard about The new ICONIC Coming out I grabbed it up right away the price is half of what lower end MARSHALLS are going for and they sound great and if you are in a 1 guitar band get the EL34's they fill the room a little better but both sound great if you can afford it get both and run them split

@acbenitez3614 Ай бұрын

Volume, is the best boost.

@onemanaftermath771 3 ай бұрын

Great review Man! I'm still on the fence.. both tight gritty...is bedroom volume even an option ?( don't throw fruit at me...) I know buy a lunch box if that's the need...

@emartinezr 3 ай бұрын

If you want bedroom volume, you're going to have to go with the 40W combo. That one can do bedroom/apartment volume at 1/4 power. Still not great, but definitely decent. The 80W will be too much for a bedroom even at 1/4...

@Mossy5150 3 ай бұрын

@@emartinezrI have the 15w in my bedroom and it's great 👍

@Lepp123 3 ай бұрын

You can do bedroom volume no problem you lose a little bit of the low end that's it.

@nerbuhc 2 ай бұрын

itlll be fine, i wouldnt go tone chasing at bedroom volumes. Most stuff can be eq'd to taste at that kind of volume

@hellboundTX333 12 күн бұрын

Comparing amps with the volumes on 1! 😂

@HighImpaktAudio 12 күн бұрын

Anymore and I'd be clipping and had it still well above the sound floor. I hate to be the one to break it to ya but clipping is bad

@averagereviews3389 21 күн бұрын

Not watching the video but if you said EL34 are better than 6L6 than yes you were wrong.

@HighImpaktAudio 21 күн бұрын

You gotta watch the video to find out

@luissosa320 3 ай бұрын

Sounds more Brazillian than british if you ask me.

@Waycooljr5 3 ай бұрын

How is that? Nobody cares about the amplifier when the 6l6 came out it was all anybodytalked about. Now that the EL 34 is out no one really seems to care and kinda seems like even EVH took him too much to do a demo video on their own.

@MysticArchmage 3 ай бұрын

Guys, FYI -- There is no difference in sound between 6L6 and EL34 tubes. The difference would be the circuitry of the amp.

@JohnWiku 3 ай бұрын

The nincompoopery around power tube "sounds" is astonishing. These are clean power amps for how overbuilt they are, AND the tubes are biased stone COLD. All the differences we are hearing are the different tweaks done to the preamps between models. I would love that someone would slave one amp into the other, and vice versa, and y'all would have the proof the differences are all in the preamp.

@AndyK.23 2 ай бұрын

There IS a tonal difference. 6L6's are less compressed, EL34's distort earlier. That sounds different.

@Linqua2112 Ай бұрын

6l6 have higher headroom and el34 will distort especially lows earlier resulting in a significant tonal difference. Have you ever played the same amp direct swapping power tubes like Laney vh100r or rectifier series and personally observed the difference? Below saturation there may be negligible difference in a hi fi style amplifier but we are talking about high gain here

@bradovard8657 Ай бұрын

I have an amp that takes EL34 or 6L6 tubes. Definitely a difference. There is no switch for different circuitry just takes a bias adjustment if I want to change tubes.

@thatbastardstolemytricycle 15 күн бұрын

That statement is incorrect

@brandonbryson3317 3 ай бұрын

Wow the in the mix really revealed alot of difference! Overall, the 6l6 smokes the el34 in the mix. I think the el34 sounded a bit better for leads…but most songs are composed of rhythm playing. I’ll take an amp that cuts the best every time! 6l6 all the way. I feel like the el34 will get eaten in a live mix.

@micahpack7923 Ай бұрын

I've done a lot of research and own the 6L6. I've played the EL34 and I agree in the mix I think the 6L6 cut through a bit better. But in a band setting I feel like the EL34 would do a bit better. Actually thinking about getting the EL34 because it's got the better mids to help cut through a mix plus who knows if he didn't just set everything back to 12 o'clock when he recorded. We're thinking EL34 for lead guitar and 6L6 for rhythm but if it's better the. Other way we switch. Both are awesome amps

@brandonbryson3317 Ай бұрын

@@micahpack7923 hard to say. You’d just have to buy each of them and try it out. el34 doesn’t necessarily = more mids. The circuit is far more important than the tube type. I’ve heard many say that the el34 is a darker and smoother sounding amp, which suggests it’s more low mid focused…which in my experience, don’t help as much with cutting in a band. It’s all about the high mids.