Was I WRONG About Delicious in Dungeon?

[@mauvecosmic2996]

Senshi's backstory not only make sense to why he been living in the dungeon for so long and why he is so into eating monsters. It also gave him so much characters than ever before. It's the episode that show almost all of the emotions that i never thought Senshi could ever show. And it honestly made me love him even more

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah! It's definitely one of my favourite episodes from the show, adds so much depth to him and explains a lot of his mannerisms too

[@Brotherofthe4thCompany]

He was already my favorite character watching this anime. It helps that he’s a Dwarf, and Dwarves are one of my favorite Fantasy races. But that backstory really elevated him into a layered character, in my opinion.

[@ma.2089]

His backstory also explains why he named Anne the way he did and why he’s always thinking about feeding the youngsters. He lived starving for some time, so he’s also always thinking about food. He was also the most careful going into the dungeon, and exists in the dungeon without many strong desires so he doesn’t lose his way.

[@suki0k]

❤ yes

[@cristophernunez7786]

Y le da un trasfondo muy fuerte, a su preocupación por tener comida para los jóvenes.

[@highlycalm]

I just love how natural the progression of the characters feels. They are coworkers first, and friends second, so it makes sense that at first, they didn't know too much about each other, and as the challenges get harder they are forced to be closer, thus strengthening their bonds. I feel the same way about Ryoko Kui, seeing how much passion she puts into every aspect of her work makes me want to create stuff too.

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah that's a good way to put the dynamic of the characters; most shonen and anime shows have the cast like a family very quickly but I feel the group dynamic and progression of it is much more realistic here!

[@winterwolf211]

She's the type of creator that makes you go, 'Huh... Why didn't I think of that, I should do something about that.' And she refreshes the genre so well.

[@suki0k]

Yeah

[@rattled6732]

That happy ending theme kicking in right after falin said 💀 was dirty tough

[@CameronHanashi]

It was chosen to give us a slither of hope… right? 😆

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

Dungeon Meshi is not about Cooking. Dungeon Meshi is about Eating. You will understand.

[@0verpricedcoffee553]

*eating.*

[@monclair5535]

To eat is to live

[@doubleasworkshop1692]

It is a base human desire after all

[@rancorious7785]

OHHH DUNGEOUN FOOD

[@leandrojavier4106]

It's academia living: eat or be eaten 😅😅😅

[@coldfish2000]

My favorite part about this series is the use of "respawn" or "healing", they explained it in such detail and Kabru's party always dying is so goofy not because it is fun to die, but because we know they will be back later again. This part of the series is also interesting because unlike in most anime that the main character is "new" in their journey, Laios and his team are not. They have accumulated experience before the series started and it avoided a lot of info dumping from random characters but most of the data comes from one of the main characters themselves. Laois himself mentioned that he respawned atleast once before. What I can assure you is that this series didn't lose their soul unlike other series that was expanded too much. Soul: Eat delicious meal together

[@renookami4651]

Ah yes, the "serious" OP1 on the funny happy go lucky 1st half, and "funny happy go lucky" OP2 on the serious 2nd half...It feels like they did it on purpose. xD

[@CameronHanashi]

The animators and manga readers know what’s up hahaha they’re trolling us!

[@sha_nkz69]

dont forget the ending too.

[@Arcturia]

It's funny if you read the manga and realize what opening 2 is depicting and how it's not happy/fun lols​@@CameronHanashi

[@zenmaster8]

As someone who recently finished the manga it’s both. It’s both dark and ultimately about how food brings us together

[@MxChloeB42]

Having been impatient for a second season and read through the entire manga, it is 100% about bringing people together with food. No spoilers, just that the theme stays the entire time which...is just good storytelling so shouldn't be a surprise.

[@alicebunnymera]

Kobolds being dogs is more just kind of a japan thing. Like how orcs in japan are more pig-like than western depictions

[@Samir3to3]

Kobolds and water spirit Undine are also featured in Record of Lodoss War OVA- the granddaddy of high fantasy anime, which Mangaka Ryuko Kui was clearly inspired by.

[@davidmaxwell4696]

Yeah it goes back to like the original DnD. Orcs were pig-like so Japanese depictions of orcs have stuck with that, similarly kobolds were described as having “dog-like snouts” but it was mistranslated to “dog-like” and that’s also stuck Early DND had a pretty big influence on a lot of Japanese Western-style fantasy stuff, especially Final Fantasy. It’s why Bahamut is in Final Fantasy at all (And why he tends to be a powerful, generally good, dragon rather than the more accurate fish of Babylonian mythology), or why healing spells harm the undead, or why coreul/displacer beasts and mindflayers have been recurring enemies, and so on

[@CameronHanashi]

Oh I wasn't actually aware of that! I'm actually not a big connoisseur of fantasy anime so I'll have to look into that more!

[@CameronHanashi]

Ooh that's actually super interesting! I think I'll try and watch that eventually, would be fun to see plus I love older anime

[@CameronHanashi]

Another big influence of pig-like orcs in Japanese culture, or probably rather why it stuck is probably because of Toriyama's depiction of them in Dragon Quest since that is the grand daddy of JRPGs. Still all interesting regardless! You wouldn't think that Japan would be so influenced by early DND

[@reiggae]

im really glad people are reading the extras, i am enamored by how much passion i can feel from ryoko kui, its also great that she has been releasing “What if” scenarios with the dvd sales, id recommend checking those out if you havent cause they are in line with the anime another thing i love is that ryoko kui held off on getting an anime until she was done with her series. it could have boosted her sales, but it also put less pressure on her story writing and she clearly prioritized that. it paid off so well, i feel like a big reason trigger adapted the series for their first manga adaptation (besides the director being a huge fan of ryoko kui) was because they knew it was good beginning to end

[@CameronHanashi]

The extras might be one of my favourite parts , they’re so fun and good! I didn’t know that about Kui waiting until it was finished, that and how she prefers to keep a more private life is something I really respect!

[@genericname2747]

THERE ARE DVDS?

[@CameronHanashi]

@@genericname2747 only for Japan I’d imagine like how it usually is

[@genericname2747]

@@CameronHanashi dang

[@Gogito4]

Will say that I fully agree that people overexagerate the darkness that comes with Dungeon Meshi, as you only feel a backlash if you're comparing chapter 1-10 to like chapter 80+ (at which point, of course there'll be tonal backlash)... That second OP is absolutely not meant to be happy. It's actually a very harrowing opening once you realize what's **actually** going on in it. I won't spoil it for anyone, but keep that opening in mind for season 2. It's very, very cool foreshadowing!

[@CameronHanashi]

Ah so people more refer to the gradual tonal shift from how it starts towards the end? Also I'm excited to see how it gets in season 2 with the opening foreshadowing! It'll be fun to come back and see all the details again! Thanks for the comment!

[@Gogito4]

@@CameronHanashi I'm thinking they do, because a lot of comparison images I see showcasing that is taking the early group shenanigans and justaposing them with final two confrontations which is where the tone is understandably at it's lowest and where, unlike the rest of the show, there is not an imediate tension reset through humor. Like we've had some pretty dark moments ever since the Red Dragon, but it usually comes followed with a humorous scene or at least a comunity based one. And while they never go away, they get less common the closer we are to the finale, as the stakes ramp up, but I still think the story never forgets it's roots and jump straight into Dark Fantasy. It does get pretty dark, really dark for people with specific fears that the story tackles head on, but it always does it with the same hopeful atittude as the story started with. I mean, this is a story that had a comedic tone for 10 episodes overlying a desperate rush to get to your loved one before she's diggested, Kui has shown she can juggle tones well!

[@jemleye]

@@CameronHanashi I do have to preface that there will still be plenty of comedy and humor when the story gets darker. The humor just gets darker too. Deliciously darker :) The main strength of the story is in how seamlessly the humor and the drama are intertwined, enhancing each other, especially towards the end!

[@tintedpalette653]

I would argue that the story is actually even funnier than it was at the start. Yeah some darker things are happening but the jokes are hitting harder and keeps things balanced.

[@Nytesplat]

@@Gogito4yeah I don’t think anyone thought we meant it’ll get darker in this season because.. despite the fact that it DOES, manga readers KNOW what’s coming 😭😭🙏

[@XShrike0]

People really needed to chill with the whole, "It gets so dark later." It isn't like we are going into Berserk levels here.

[@lovelysan]

I just constantly want to hit people with like a rolled-up newspaper or something everytime they say "the REAL story starts NOW (or next episode!) " or "It gets sooooooooooooo dark." When. No. The stakes get higher at times, but it never looses its sense of humor and the theme of sharing meals between friends. And it is always a consistently kind story. Even people who are like, "NO. The opening is actually SECRETLY dark!!111" even in this comment section, as a fan of this series, it just really ticks me off. Because they are driving away people who like and will continue to like the show with all their edge-lording -_- .

[@genericname2747]

I wouldn't say it gets darker, it just gets insane.

[@Petrichorus-]

I feel like people saying it gets dark feel their interests aren’t valid unless they’re “grown” or as far from childlike whimsy or earnestness as possible.

[@coraline2770]

My fav wholesome cooking anime with alittle darkness sprinkeld in for flavor

[@WindiestRat3]

Just a smidge of darkness

[@connorjohnson8590]

Nice analysis! As a manga reader, you have great self control not binging the manga, the delayed gratification on that is going to be strong!! You're predictions on the end of the series is so strangely on the money, but also in a way you are probably not expecting.

[@CameronHanashi]

Oh trust me I am very tempted to read the rest of the manga hahaha, I'll see how I go once season 1 ends. Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out though!

[@quatzar7262]

​@@CameronHanashiyou should really read the chapters already adapted, they have parts that have been cut and also the monster tidbits from the volume extras

[@CameronHanashi]

@@quatzar7262 I did! I read up to where season 1 ends for this video, it was great so see all the little extras

[@mangasaint]

@@CameronHanashiwhenever I read a manga I never really watch the anime, even in shows I love like JJK, I might watch the fight scenes and comedy on YT. I’m on my second watch thru for Dungeon Meshi and will watch it again before season 2 is released and won’t miss a single episode even after I’ve completed reading the manga. I learned that they were doing the anime from reading the manga. It’s just that good. Props to waiting tho, it doesn’t look like it’s going to a be a massively long wait and it’s completely worth waiting for. The manga was a monthly to by monthly release, I dropped everything to read it lol. You have a shorter wait than I did because it took her years to complete it.

[@GeneralJerrard101]

It's a real shame that the anime didn't adapt the extra bit where Laios learns that troll is an evolution of mistranslation that basically means "tall man."

[@waranghira]

The dark part is them finding out Falin's digested into bones and seems all hope is lost. Another is Senshi's seeming have eaten his party members, made you think it.

[@nonthc998]

I really love your analysis. It feels so heartfelt to me since I also grew attached to the story and characters. This is one of my favorite manga and I still love it to this day. I also agree with you for the saying of food brings people together. You could definitely look forward to the other half of the story.

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah certainly looking forward to season 2! Seeing all the comments people have left is getting me really excited! Hope it's not a multi-year wait, reading the manga in advance might just be too tempting

[@redx3009]

Loved the ending as well and even more when they incorporated Izutsumi into it. Also I find it fascinating how much I like Falin after learning more about her from Laios' group.

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah I really like how much we’ve come to know about Falin and how so much of the community loves her despite not getting a lot of time with her!

[@tapiocajack3004]

Dude, they say season 2 is in production. I'm really excited.

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah it was announced pretty much right as my video came out hahaha

[@Akideoni]

Surprisingly, it's certainly makes me hungry almost every episode.

[@CameronHanashi]

That's why I have to eat alongside watching it all the time!

[@loveforkuja]

it gets a bit darker from here too but it never loses it's lightheartedness or fun or feels like a different show.

[@baaaastoos]

i know the second opening sounds very happy and upbeat, but if you notice, there is a pillar of unconscious bodies floating. not gonna spoil it but the context is fridge horror. it captures dunmeshi's dark comedy aspect really well, incredibly fucked up but also very silly at the same time

[@CameronHanashi]

They're just resting because they partied and had too much fiun... Right?

[@hafirenggayuda]

It's actually plot significant, I can say it actually spoiling some BIG reveal later

[@yogurtontheside5649]

omg they actually have that in the 2nd opening?? Thats hilarious!!

[@hyobro8392]

I agree, to me dungeon meshi is dark in the way that life gets dark sometimes. It's not always peaceful, and some fucked up things happen, but life ultimately doesnt belong to a specific "genre", because it doesn't follow a narrative someone made up. So it's both dark, goofy and everything is between, like dungeon meshi.

[@nelsonsham2368]

Dungeon Meshi is about Consume and Desire, and someone/shomething is farming the people inside the dungeon, and is growing, hungry for more... the 2nd season gets darker till almost the end Izutsumi show up in the chapter 0 of the manga, and arrived late in the main story cloaked then reveal in the Prison cell area

[@creamybonbons2803]

6:00 Thistle does NOT have an eye for moster design as he COMPLETELY forgets that Falin still needs to eat to feed that huge dragon body with that small human mouth←(Laios' own nitpick about her design). It makes sense for Thistle to forget about something like that though considering his character and how long he's been living.

[@thomasdatoneboi405]

That’s spoiler territory! Be careful and think of others!

[@MaximillianRobesphere]

I like to think that the anime is like ordering takeout, but the manga is like going to an off the beaten path restaurant, one where there is a single professional chef, silently creating your dinner without you ordering anything. After all, you finding the restaurant means you are searching for a particular flavor that they have experience with.

[@crozraven]

I think what the manga readers talk about getting darker tone, is much more to do the progression of story getting much more serious & the stakes are getting higher than ever for our main characters. Of course with the end of episode 24 for this season, such things will happen in second season. I think the world building & interesting details of its lore are what made this series truly something special despite essentially being a fantasy cooking series.

[@kyleethepug]

Awesome video! I haven’t watched this show yet, but I’ve been wondering about it haha

[@CameronHanashi]

Thanks for watching! I'm sure you'll enjoy it if you eventually get around to watching it!

[@bepsi222]

I agree I think izutusmi had a lot of potential granted she did join only a few episodes ago but I Aswell am really exited to see what they do with her in season 2

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah I’m mainly excited to see how she develops and I hope she gets involved more in the group dynamic!

[@cheyannegiles9772]

Really funny you say this because this season ended just before the point that I, personally, would say it gets darker. Or at least, less slice of life and more story driven. Even most of the slice of life portions beyond this point are actually kind of plot relevant or say something plot relevant about a character. To me the point where things get "darker" is when we learn what Mithrun's whole deal is. It genuinely disturbed me when I first read it. The anime stopped at a good spot is what I'm saying. Also the reason a lot of people hate Shuro is because a lot of people (by that I mean most everybody) in the fandom thinks Laios is autistic, and a lot of people in the Dungeon Meshi fandom *are* autistic, so that scene with Shuro complaining about the fact that Laios can't read social cues hit home for them and reminded them about shitty things like that people have said to them before.

[@CameronHanashi]

Yeah I think the anime wrapped up the first season really well actually! I was curious as to how they would do it since I though Senshi's backstory would be a perfect stopping point with the changelings as the first episode of season 2. But they set things up really well with the canaries and hope for saving Falin. Also in regards to Laios being autistic coded - I did want to talk about that a bit since I've seen a lot of people talk about that and find it really good characterization, but I couldn't quite find place for it in the video and since I'm not autistic myself, I'd want to do more research and talk to more people about it first. Maybe in a future video though! Thanks for the comment!

[@jodrako4341]

@CameronTurnerStory Kui has written mangas before with explicit autistic characters, so the autistic coding for Laois is very intentional even if not confirmed by word of god. And I agree, Mithrun backstory is really where things got sooo much more tense with the way it reframed so much about dungeons.

[@nnelg8139]

0:50 - this will age like wine, lol.

[@OkamiRose]

I literally JUST finished watching your first vid. Just now. Crazy good timing! Edit: Also playing Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Sky why the PMG music plays 😂🤣

[@CameronHanashi]

Oh my god the stars aligned in so many ways for you here hahahaha! Also excellent choice with explorers of sky, I chose the music since it is a dungeon crawling game after all!

[@chloukscolor7905]

Hearing Pokémon Mystery Dungeon OST ✨

[@KhyannArts]

a lil thing i've seen going around a lot on tumblr is people who watch the anime comenting how whenever they skip a meal or dont wanna eat something despite it being good for them they have a sort of mental senshi pop up in their head and remind them to eat 3 balanced foods a day and they do cuz they dont want to let him down

[@seansong4400]

We ain't even knees deep into the sad laggon yet

[@Ferlan-dc8sm]

As someone that read the manga like 7 times, I'm laughing like a freaking villain waiting for you watching what comes next

[@a.t.trujillo9970]

You know at first it makes sense to me why since she only had underwear a skirt and some shoes and a helmet but now after seeing since she's backstory I understand why he doesn't have that stuff and I am not going to spoil it because you guys need to watch it

[@vew1411]

I don't like when people use the word "introverted" when talking about socializing in Japan. Japanese people do not behave this way because they are all introverts, but because this is stipulated as civilized behavior. Among those who behave in the same "Japanese way," there are introverts and extroverts. AND Shuro is specifically described as an introvert man from his childhood by Maizuru. The reason why Shuro sometimes dislike Laios while sometimes admires Laios, is that Laios is "barbaric" in his cultural sense, but at the same time Laios has a merit that Shuro personally does not have.

[@nicholasso8560]

To my understanding, doglike kobolds are well-trodden ground in Japan due to the Wizardry series being Japan's first exposure to settings like this.

[@jessicajayes8326]

I love the little walking mushroom at the beginning of each episode! It's so cute! Spoiler alert for later seasons: yes there are killer rabbits in the dungeon, straight out of Monty Python!!

[@creedecriswell634]

Did they get the holy hand Grenade?

[@tuiteyfruity5010]

No you’re actually right it’s about bringing people together over food. And it’s darker and weirder than you thought. Season 2 grows on a lot of things. There’s no OMG TWISTS. It’s all building on themes and things already set up. And it’s about coming together as a people to eat and celebrate living.

[@growtocycle6992]

One thing I have noticed that NOONE seems to pick up on, is that all of the characters are single... Not a single main character in a relationship with anyone else in the party or in the show (chilchucks wife doesn't count, she is never seen!)

[@CameronHanashi]

You’re right and it’s really refreshing! It’s rare for an anime to not have a romance subplot. In fact, even with Shuro having feelings for Falin it’s not really a major focus and they point out how unrealistic his affection for her is since they didn’t interact much

[@Zifym.-rm9gr]

I always felt that meme was funny but very exaggerated, the story get more serious, sure, but it never becomes super dark or edgy.

[@KoiPuff]

It’s less openly edgy and more like there’s SUPER dark themes just bubbling under the surface. Two major characters walk away with important character traits carved out of them and it’s touched but not elaborated on but it’s horrifying if you think about it too long.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

The sedies is a rollercoaster and I love thing so much

[@eryalmario5299]

You should try frieren

[@CameronHanashi]

I have actually seen Frieren! Super super great, fantasy has been doing well this year!

[@johannesgutenburg9837]

come on at least credit the artists behind the music you stole

[@mileslugo6430]

I think Laios is American coded

[@b3njingle]

Haha yeah it still gets darker! Still darker than you think!

[@vertyisprobablydead]

It is popular. It's Trigger.

[@beethebee8]

to be fair this isnt technically the CRAZY shit yet but yeah i do think people were very much overhyping the darkness for season 1

[@Akeche]

My dude doesn't realize he's only just finished the first part. He doesn't know.

[@paintedhen5242]

the anime hasn’t really gotten to the dark part of the story yet imo

[@sofialaya596]

Dude that opening is dark af when u know the context, if u read the manga u know what i mean

[@BearMfkr]

I don’t want to watch the whole video. Can you just summarize why you you might have been wrong?

[@falnica]

The new UI sucks #changeitback

[@abluejazz2680]

This has good potential and amazing world building it has good lore but the story burnout. It cage itself on the dungeon burns all the bridge that would possibly extend the story. To many BS just to extend the story in the dungeon. Shiru typical japanese with harem, Laios child brain immature MC. The hobbit and the cat was kinda just there they had background story but not much. Marcil and Senshi MVPS. Senshi cooking and Marcil comedic Moe carry the story.

[@Mader-vz1zy]

Everyone who read the manga knows that it is not about cooking it's about eating.

[@creedecriswell634]

I’ve seen this a hundred times what does that even mean?!!!

[@Mader-vz1zy]

@creedecriswell634 , for one, eat healthy and anoth to be in top shape. Also, by eating, your soul dissolves, and you can't be revived. That's why they need to save Falin quickly. Spoilers Also, Falins Dragon fusion fused their souls, and Laios Plan is to eat the dragon half to weaken the Dragon soul enoth so that Falin can be in control, this actually works. Also, in the end, it is revealed that eating makes something part of yourself, like the Golden Lion is the Demon who created the Dungeon, but he is a 4th Demensional magic being that can eat emotions and through that gained emotions, especially hunger for more yummy emotions. In the finale, Lios gets turned into a monster, and the Demon possesses his body so he can be Genie and master at the same time. This allows him to escape the Dungeon to make the world a farm for emotions, but the monster Lios turns into can also eat emotions which enables him to eat the Demon and rid it of all emotions making it harmles. Which makes the story not about food but about eat or be eaten.

[@karmana4712]

That op is darker than you think it is.

[@creedecriswell634]

But it’s so happy