WAS I WRONG?! KHATRA Bulletproof test will show... (archery test)

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WAS I WRONG?! Bulletproof test of my KHATRA
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[@societyofrobots]

I always tell my students in their first lesson, "There are 100+ different ways to shoot a bow. It is an art that is up to the shooter. I'm just showing you the way I like to do it."

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

👏👏👏 teacher every student want to have 🫡

[@ArminHirmer]

Just do what works for you. Until now nobody complained in my many courses, when I showed them to release with the bow hand. Did even a video long ago and nobody complained. Maybe some that I still have the arrow on the wrong side :D :D

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Haha, your typical complainers 😅 arrow on the wrong side 😅 I had literally none complain like this 🤔🫣😅

[@goingfilipino]

Unless you are strictly training to be historically accurate for LARPing, historical reenactment, or a history channel documentary, shoot how you like and how it works for you. If there's one thing that I've learned from Armin Hirmer, it's that you make your style of archery your own. Yes, master fundamentals, but do what works for you, not what works for someone else. Love your channel. Keep up the good work 🏹🤙🏿🤘🏿

[@AllofArchery]

This test proves everything!!!! Any one says that it Doesn’t work can get lost. And i definitely have been doing this on my channel… And no one knows how it was truly done. This maybe the way that it was done. No one knows for sure. Only thing we do know is that the featherless arrow sticks in straight. And you did this and proved it 💯 percent.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Thanks for all the love, bro ❤️

[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Everything that works for you is fine. many experts like to comment because they are bored. Keep having fun Charlie🏹👊😃

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

❤️🫡🍀😇

[@janbrown5176]

"Let the bow hand decide the release, ", was a gem, great vid.Tension and direction.

[@Lessonswithsenseimatt]

I agree I visited a archery range yesterday and a instructor there said I can’t practice running archery 😮 The Truth In Combat is Different for each individual research your own experience, absorb what is useful, 9:02 reject what is useless, add what is specifically your own 🙏

[@squall604]

As long as your hitting what your shooting at, that is the correct technique. The books and manuscripts are a guidlines. Need to find a generic way to teach thousands of soldiers, a few of those soldiers may modifify that technique to make it work better for themselves. Just think of how many cultures used bow and arrow around the world, well, that is how many (and more) ways to to do the same thing. Yes, as you refine your technique, there will be cominalities with the many other techniques. I teach and coach many different sports, mainly skiing & dynamic movement, I will explain the same technique 20 different ways until there's one that connects with my client. The most important part for me is successful skill development and smiles. I don't believe Charlie is trying to do anything historically accurate, but, he's just doing his thing. By doing your thing you've found your way of doing your thing. Have fun doing your thing brother🤙

[@jesuspagan2121]

Sometimes there are people who believe that mocking or criticizing others makes them look like they know better. Keep doing what works for you. You have some great content and seeing you come back on KZbin has motivated me to get back into archery. Greetings from Puerto Rico 🏹

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

I appreciate to hear from you! Thank you!

[@RS_]

In my opinion the real and only bulletproof test would be “ slow - motion” video. I discovered it myself recently. The problem is Distance! For example shooting from 5 meters, 8 meters or 12meters, i get different results! So my arrows were straight in the target ( or not) depending on my shooting distance. Im gonna try and film it in slo mo just to see whats happening

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Will do :)

[@manassehmontuy5277]

Great!

[@JC-rb1nc]

I like the way you shoot. Looks very easy and natural.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Thanks!!

[@jareth7456]

This is Barton, I wouldn't want to be misrepresented here so to set the record straight this is not what I showed you to do that is keeping the arm bent to such a degree but rather to double draw but not to hold the draw with a bent bow arm .....now it is true the bow arm will be bent slightly when drawing to full ....but only slightly...this slight amount of bend is plenty enough to expand on the release and Hatra ....the k is silent. I have decided to go ahead and begin posting videos here on the KZbin and there you can see for yourself what I am describing....until then if you want to study an excellent example of Hatra and the accompanying release I would highly recommend Mihai Cozmei or Armin Hirmer, they both have different styles however they are excellent examples of a form common to each . Study Dr Murat Ozveri if you fancy a side Hatra

[@Face-bb5ix]

Don't let nay-sayers frustrate you. If you have a straight arrow flight and hit things, you are doing it right. As I wrote in an earlier comment, I can just suggest using all the techniques in combination, but each one in fine doses. I realized that - for me - overdoing one of the movements too much ruins my accuracy. Now I'm doing forward, torque and string twist in one flowing movement, and this works great for me. I also don't concentrate on which hand is actually doing the release, because it really feels like both are doing it. It is more like a pumping action from both hands. And BTW: since you are shooting on the right side of the bow, you will always and forever do it wrong in the eyes of some traditionalists, anyway. One key ingredient for a happy life is to know when to ignore people that are not interested in bringing you forward, but just want to drag you down to their level in order to have a better feeling about their own decisions. Keep going!

[@philozoraptor6808]

I don’t know what the specifics of criticism for the first video was. But I assume people are comparing your advice to The Way of Archery and Arab Archery books, is that correct assumption? The former is fully dedicated to military (45-200 pounds of draw weight + full draw) and the latter is partially military oriented as well. The thing is that your technique obviously works at your draw weight and draw length (30-45 pounds at half or 3/4 draw?) however it might lead to injury at 60+ pounds of draw weight, especially the grip style and the movement of the joints during the shot itself would be problematic with heavy hunting bow and war bow. But again, for your purpose it works just fine.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Thanks for you analysis. I agree. With super heavy war bow I would not focus on speed of shooting but I would switch to precision and endurance mode.

[@redeyezgenoc2346]

There are so many different styles of khatra. Forward khatra or combined with slightly sideway khatra or only sideways like the korean. It depends on your bow and your preference. Some bows are Not good with sideway and some are too long for a complete Forward Motion. And some can do all.

[@abeldasilva9368]

Great video thanks

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@kevinhiggins8331]

Well said. I think as you do. It’s about the art. If it works how is it wrong

[@ambidextrousarchery]

Excellent work, Charlie👍👍

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Many thanks!

[@NorthernMontanaHomestead]

I think your method works great for the style and distances you're shooting. I shoot a very heavy bow for hunting purposes so I'm not sure this would work for me. I do love your videos though and my opinion is that if your arrows go where you want, then how can anyone say you're wrong?

[@Sammy2010Judo]

Hello Charlie, first of all for the people who may have never shot 20 meters with a horsebbow without feathers on the arrow. Only a master with a very good technique manages with a lot of practice to have the arrows stuck straight in the target. I myself practice this for a long time and to this day have my difficulties finding the perfect balance between khatra or whatever you want to call it (Koreans, Japanese etc, use other terms) and less variables. Your experience from running and a moving technique is unique and extremely important to the entire reflex bow/hors bow society. Charlie, you are probably the best archer at running shooting while hitting...thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. You have the respect internationally of those who know how hard it is to be able to do what you can do. Thanks

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Hearth warming and motivational, Thank you!

[@makinganoise6028]

Your shooting is fine, if not the bare shaft would be at an angle or miss, what works for you, everybodys body mechanics, bows and arrows are different, some people overthink these things, or are talking out their backside, often from reading comments, by people, who don't shoot bows or might own only one and think they are an expert, keep experimenting and enjoying your Archery.

[@societyofrobots]

There are two reasons why your arrow will be crooked in the target: improper khatra, or incorrect arrow spine.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Thanks and for your input 🙏🍀

[@jareth7456]

The thing about Asiatic archery and because of Hatra you can shoot a wide range of spine through these bows they aren't too picky..........as long as the arrow is stiff enough

[@yerde]

There are three things.. also putting too much pressure with your index at release time.

[@danielruprecht8932]

Trust the science!😂👍🎯❤🇺🇸

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

You mean it good or bad?

[@danielferszt6521]

I think in turkish archery, the do this test from very very close to the target. That way they eliminate other variables like aiming o the wind. You should see a dot if the khatra works. I like your approach to this kind of thing. That being said, I shoot for historical appreciation, and I'm working my way to 100lb... For those weights I think that form wouldn't work, but I don't know.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

I was told to do it like this :) but what you say is interesting 🧐

[@danielferszt6521]

@@CharliesRunningArchery It's called torba... very cool way of training some aspects of archery: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n33dfmuogb14mNU&ab_channel=ArcheryAscension

[@TalesForWhales]

Odds are someome did it like you. I like to sport fence with 2 swords at a time. No one does it today but it was briefly taught in the 1920-30's and largely forgotten. You probably belong to a minority of archers who shoot this way just as I belong to a minority of ambidextrous fencers.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

It's cool to know you are not alone. Thanks for your story and sharing :)

[@karlgunther-turkisharchery4272]

In archery there are many ways to do it right and only few to do it wrong. I am always careful with saying "right or wrong", I prefer to say "this and that works for me" as long as I shoot my own style. Only when trying to recreate a special historical archery style, I have to follow the rules given by old masters. And, yes, bareshaft tests and paper tests always show the truth.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Thanks for sharing mister Karl 🍀

[@newplantosuceed]

My 40 # tartar bow is wonderful. But I believe the bow is too heavy to do the offset grip. I'll keep trying. I have my 50# longbow with the straight wrist alignment in the bow arm.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

I did my first video about Khatra with 37lbs bow. I would love to try it with 50lbs, just currently have none.

[@TakalBrothers]

Hey man if it works and its safe for you and your equipment…then honestly who cares what the rest thinks…..maybe it didnt work for them thats why they say its wrong 😂😂. Awesome video like always looking forward to the next one 👍🏽.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Thanks brothers ❤️🏹😇

[@sandorgrofarchery]

Arrows doesn't lie! I tape measured 120-150% more penetration. That's no joke! Even if my arrows doesn't always fly super streight something is going on. For bear arrows without fletching torba is the way to go. Do not care about anyone else!

[@bokkenwielderful]

I agree, do what works. I have a hard time believing khatra was done only one way in all history. If I wanted you to try a different Khatra method, I'd say "try this method (list of reasons one might like the method)..." Positives persuade better than negatives.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

🍀🏹

[@michup86]

Hey. what is your actual draw weight? You use 35 draw weight bow at 31 or 28 inches by manufacturer? However, whats your draw length? Reason I'm asking is because I own Kaya 45#@31" 48" bow. My draw distance is 27 which means its 9 pounds less, so 36#@27 of that bow. I use 400 28.5" arrows with slighlty heavier tip. I'm quite new to archery and I wonder if its too heavy or not. Ao if you use 35# bow do you actually draw it at that weight or less? I understand you use different bows with different weights etc, but question is rather what is your prefer go to draw weight? I started to apply your teachings and instantly improved on first try, shooting at 15 meters distance and had spread around 40cm without miss on target. Previously I was often missing half of arrows.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Sorry, can't help with this. I'm not so technical so I would give you a bad advice. Try some specialized archery shop or mister Armin Hirmer :)

[@michup86]

@@CharliesRunningArchery OKay, now worries but thanks for reply and for the great vids.

[@adymasuaribinmustakip3990]

what bulletproof?

[@markusdirschl3752]

I recommend to shoot from a distance of max 2 meters. This shows with brutality if the khatra works perfectly or not. If you only see a dot in the target it worked. Anything more and it was off. Not telling that I am there yet, but getting there 😅 I doubt though that your technique works for heavy bows. Imagine pulling a +90# bow with the arm not filully extended. I can't except dor someone like Arnold 😆

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Will try. My style is maybe useless with a strong war bow... I just don't shoot one and maybe never will. For running archery I need somenting easier to handle while running and jumping. Thanks for sharing :)

[@tiobi6633]

Yeah, there always will be people like this, doing their own thing by the book and stick to it - even against any odds. It's like getting to '11' by adding 5 to 6, and everything else is wrong. So when you try 7 plus 4 you're obviously wrong. XD The most sophisticated 'tool' on this planet is the human mind/body and every one of us have a slightly different setup - If I may live with this silly expression :) So, in archery you have the bow and the arrow, but these are only tools that you're fine-tuning with your mind/body, really. Archery is you, the method is you, so there are like million ways to shoot.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Like the math example :)

[@starlord5538]

Yeah i train khatra olmost 1 year😅😅😅

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Not easy :)

[@matthewvassar9686]

Some people think humans stoped growing and improving 1000 years ago because someone wrote a book on archery and thats all we know. We have lasers and sh!t, but there's no way we can throw an arrow better? This is why the 👽s are showing up😂

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Funny idea to think about 😅🙏

[@Bassanova95]

tvoje technika mi dost připomíná Mihaie Cozmeie kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZuQqJ5qoJVjj7c

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

To beru jako velkou pochvalu 🙏

[@Arwndr]

No matter how exactly you do your khatra. Straight arrow flight - clearly show is that correct, or not. Very simple. Can you film video with your khatra like in here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpOXgHt3m7t4e6s ? or here: kzbin.infoZUzwt_VbH8o ? Such One short video will conviniently show all about. For every one... There are hundreds of technics. Every one choose what is best for him. Arrow flight clearly show is that correct or not.

[@CharliesRunningArchery]

Great idea about the angle of the camera! Also haven't talked to Martin for a long time. I need to send him a message :) Thanks

[@Arwndr]

​@@CharliesRunningArchery Nice! 👌🏻👍🏻🙌🏻✨🍀🌿 ))