Was James Strang the rightful successor of Joseph Smith? Ep. 56

[@chrissessions6108]

I served my mission in Michigan and it is amazing how many people knew nothing about Mormons except for the Strangites. Also I served in a branch where the Community of Christ outnumbered us like 10 to 1. Fun times.

[@KevlarX2]

I also served my mission in Michigan. Although I read about the incident on Beaver Island with the Strangites, I never met any of those groups.

[@chrissessions6108]

@@KevlarX2 Nice! Detroit or Lansing? I should clarify that I didn't meet any Strangites, and I don't even know if that's still a thing. I just meant that when people would answer the door they would associate us with the Strangites and Beaver Island.

[@aviratica6370]

I’m a Jew from Michigan and have been to Beaver Island many times and know all about this nonsense

[@thething7484]

How did the community of Christ members treat you? I’m prepare to go on my missour independence mission next month!

[@Viisas01]

Finally! I was looking forward to this all day!

[@NameInsertedHere]

I have been waiting for this episode for a long time as I have studied the Strangite sect for a while and had email conversations with a few Strangite members and I was told that the nearest members to my location is in a town 6 hours from me and there are about 6 to 13 active members in said town. I met with 2 of them and they told me how true the Church is and let me look at some documents and they never once offered to show me the Bible or Book of Mormon or anything else but they were very very loving they were kind and said one day all of the members of every single splinter branch of Latter-Day Saints and the biggest Branch and every single other Church on the planet will find out about James Strang and will know he was a true Prophet of God called after the true Prophet of the Restoration by God and Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith Jr. They said it will happen in our time. They were so nice and I told them I've grown up Baptist and I believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is true but I think it is the biggest branch which is true and they told me then I have been in a way deceived but one day my eyes will be opened. I am still to be Baptized some time early next year and I am excited and I hope the best and most happiness for all the Strangites including the ones that I met and emailed. :)) Also AAAAAAAHHH I LOVE THAT YOU REFERENCED HOT ROD SO MUCH!! 😅

[@smdh99]

Well we need to get all these LDS sects back together 1 more time. Someone needs to organize that. Wonder where the FLDS are now days?

[@dirtbikeutah9615]

Two other note worth people who originally believed in the James Strang's letter but also fell away from his following later on. Joseph Smiths mother Lucy Mack Smith, and another of the Three Witness David Whitmer.

[@davidsnell2605]

Thanks for that. I originally had David Whitmer on my list but he'd already separated from the Latter-day Saint in 1838, so I didn't think it was justified to say he was "drawn away" from the Saints by Strang, since he was already gone. But yes, I believe he did join up with Strang for a bit. I'm actually a big fan of David Whitmer. Pretty solid dude.

[@dirtbikeutah9615]

@@davidsnell2605 David Whitmer of the three witness was of the higher character. I am a big fan of William Law. He saw danger and problems of Polygamy, and merging church and state (City) together. Two lessons that took a long time for the Church to learn. With Brigham Young trying to create a Theocracy (With Deseret, i.e. its own language and money) and Brigham Young openly teaching Polygamy in Utah.

[@brettmajeske3525]

@@dirtbikeutah9615 BY wasn't so much trying to create his own language, as establish a system to help non-English speakers learn it faster. There are a lot of inconsistencies in written English.

[@historyenthusiast6118]

@@davidsnell2605 Did Whitmer organize a church called church of christ and he named Book of Nephites instead of Mormon?

[@historyenthusiast6118]

@@dirtbikeutah9615 Is that true that Joseph Smith reached to William Law's wife and said to her she can give half love to William and Half to Joseph? when she rejected him and that caused William law got fired from first presidency?

[@incogneato6725]

My wife is a descendant of James Strang. To our knowledge she and her older brother are the first descendants of his to be born in the covenant.

[@gnosticmormon827]

In what covenant?

[@incogneato6725]

"Born in the covenant" is a term used my members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints meaning the child was born to parents who were sealed in marriage covenant made for time and eternity in an LDS temple. In other words, my father in law seems to be the first direct descendant of James Strang to return to the church, he joined as a teenager. My wife and her siblings are the first direct descendants of his to be born into an LDS home.

[@gnosticmormon827]

@@incogneato6725 Which church? Strangite LDS or Brighamite LDS? I noticed you used the hyphen, which is brighamite, but the captital D, which is Strangite.

[@incogneato6725]

@@gnosticmormon827 What you would call the Brighamite LDS church I guess. Didn't know hyphens and capitalization carried any meaning for anyone.

[@brettmajeske3525]

@@gnosticmormon827 The Brighamite (Salt Lake City) version capitalizes the 'D" as well.

[@jobie105able]

Whaaa? Calumny? We recited that quote from memory hundreds of times on my mission and we always said "calamity"! I don't know what's real anymore!🤯

[@DonjoSports]

Are you planning on doing a video on the Church of Christ with the Elijah Message? Or the Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)?

[@eric777100763]

Very well done video for a subject that at least interest me!

[@TBIhope]

I’ve been to Beaver Island! It’s strange when people assume all Mormons are like the followers of Strang from 1840.

[@GrantHolmstrom]

Did you guys ever do any more episodes on James Strang?

[@ethancate8462]

This channel needs more attention.

[@ethancate8462]

I don't remember making this comment, I thought I found this channel a half a year ago, but apparently not. Thank you for your hard work.

[@BrendonKing]

And this right here is the whole issue with Priesthood Succession. It didn’t stop the LDS Faith from splintering and breaking apart like they claim other churches had before.

[@smdh99]

@Martin England Can't trust none of 'em now days. Nothin but crazy false doctrines everywhere.

[@mickski548]

If people didn’t slaughter Joseph then the church might have been a little different

[@John021940]

This is interesting. James Strange was a missionary representing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Kentucky in the year 1835. Are you talking about a different person?

[@John021940]

That should be James Strang not Strange. Sorry.

[@lukedriscoll793]

In all honesty, the succession crisis doesn’t bother me. The early Christian apostles played a game to choose another apostle. I think it was meant to be another way god would test the faith of the saints in this dispensation.

[@cyborganisation]

Strangs are Scots originally. Do I get any royalties from LDS?

[@R1biker]

Lol u forgot to mention he also found plates called the voree plates and he was also was visited by a angel that told him were the plates were lol u couldn’t make this up and what about JS wife Emma joined hes church

[@TheMichaelMalloyShow]

James Jessie Strang was a strange person

[@jonspectre1103]

Been looking forward to this one haha. Can't wait to hear about the voree record 😂

[@johnroberts6695]

For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even the Reorganized Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints...oopsie! Actually, members do matter. Temple building, missionary work, genealogy and the people have to be warned. My dad, who was not a member of the church at the time, said that if aliens dropped him off on the Earth with only a Bible to guide him, he'd have to say that the LDS faith was the church God established. He joined the church a decade or so later, being a southern Baptist. He was, I think, right on the money.

[@eric777100763]

The only thing Joseph Smith didn't say was Climb Every Mountain I guess he left that for Julie Andrews😀😀😀

[@11UncleBooker22]

I can't put my finger on it but it seems this channel may have an agenda.

[@sarahturner4148]

Well an agenda just means a goal... so I guess their agenda would be to clear up ideas about the church. Not sinister or anything like that lol

[@joshuadurham1257]

James Jesse strang 1813-1856 rip and he was the king church ever since that his William and Joseph Smith had left the church in Detroit Michigan and just going to the different church. Where becoming the followers be taking of the kingdom of god just keeping a secret up to the lord and god would promised by all it means for to being a humanitarian work and believe and traveling the state to state in the united states.

[@sumguyfromutah]

Lol ya'll should do a video on Christopher Namelka and the "final testament" as he called it. I've done so much study on it and it's hilarious!

[@davidsnell2605]

That's a good idea! Thanks. Definitely an interesting bit of modern church history.

[@strafe155]

The dude fooled people into believing that he was the reincarnation of Hyrum Smith, and even managed to get a tombstone at the smith family cemetery out of it. It's really fucked up when you realize that the guy did all of this just for shits and giggles

[@joshuadurham1257]

Dang man I never heard that called "final testament" before? Tho. Man

[@johnmeadow1426]

You should do a video on Brigham's claim through apostolic succession. Joseph wasn't part of the quorum of the twelve, so he wasn't prophet because he was the senior apostle. He was just the prophet.

[@davidsnell2605]

Thanks for the suggestion. At the very least there's biblical precedent. Christ organized the Church, called 12 apostles, and when Christ died, the lead apostle took over. In 1830 Christ reorganized his church through Joseph Smith, called 12 apostles, and when Smith died the lead apostle took over. It was a rough transition, but they got there eventually.

[@gnosticmormon827]

@@davidsnell2605 Peter did not succeed Jesus, his brother James did. The history has been hidden by the Catholic church as a way to shift the seat of authority to Rome, but it was clearly still with James in Jerusalem, and the appointment is recorded in the Gospel of Thomas.

[@joshuadurham1257]

Truest relevant 💯.

[@davidralphs4]

I just don't think the LDS church could be the one true church.

[@harshitgarg419]

why not?? I'm LDS from Hindu

[@naomipratt1947]

James Strang made the mistake of allowing people to see his plates. He should played it more like Joseph Smith.