Was Jos Verstappen Right, Are Red Bull "Falling Apart"? // Tommo's Race Chinwag

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Jos Verstappen warned the world back in May that Red Bull are "in danger of falling apart." Well Jonathan Wheatley is the latest in a long line of high profile exits, announced as Audi's Team Principal for 2026 and beyond. Was he right? Let's talk about it.
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@mattfantastic9969 Ай бұрын

"If you rate Hulkenberg really highly..." I do, yes. WHICH WE ALL SHOULD

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

INDEED

@ayyel551 Ай бұрын

Thanks Tommo for the bonus stream. We appreciate your hard work. Even though you deserve a summer break too. ❤️

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

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@nomar5spaulding Ай бұрын

Alonso to Redbull would shift lot of cans in Thorndike, Maine. They would shift from The Depot store to my apartment.

@wernercoetzee2316 Ай бұрын

@Tommo your audio is always "quieter" than other channels when played through my laptop speakers, i.e. I have to put my laptop audio on full when watching any of your videos, and then reduce my volume when watching something on another channel. BUT it's totally fine when listening over my headphones. Sorry, just wanted to give a bit more context to help, instead of the live stream viewers always just saying "audio a bit soft" without giving more info. Hope it helps.

@cyan_oxy6734 Ай бұрын

I don't really get the issue. Just adjust your volume. It can be annoying when you're sleeping to youtube but these people usually aren't in the live chat.

@crex6090 Ай бұрын

I second this. not a huge deal with headphones but relative to other channels the audio is definitely a bit quieter

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

Hmmm, yeah I'm not really sure to be honest. I'm just gonna try and keep it as consistent as possible. Appreciate the insight though! 🙌

@ToiletDeflecter Ай бұрын

We are checking

@cameronielsen Ай бұрын

Your audio is great. Nice call ASMR. the other channels are the issue being too loud and shouting about everything

@oliamb1 Ай бұрын

Ollie Oakes? Wasn’t that on after the Simpson on channel 4

@borismuller86 Ай бұрын

budum-cha!

@goodled Ай бұрын

Found Crofty’s burner account

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

Wheeeey

@gmanneod8085 Ай бұрын

Tommo, If having a pointee car is the fastest way around the race track, shouldn't the Visa RB junior team make their car front end bias to prepare their junior drivers for the main Red Bull Seat? Maybe this is the reason for Ricciardo helping to develop the Visa RB car?

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

It's an interesting point y'know.

@shu6037 Ай бұрын

allowing horner to stay in f1 after those leaked messages was such a disgrace. fire the victim, go on as if nothing happened. tho it is such a redbull thing to do. and it showed us again the state fia is in right now.

@harry4454 Ай бұрын

They paid her off. Clearly she didn’t care that much

@TheSickGman09 Ай бұрын

I'd prefer Mick at Audi honestly. Just a one or two year deal to give him a final chance. Tho Bottas is likely the better option

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

Big risk reward payoff. If Mick does have unrealised potential, it would be HUGE for Audi

@TheSickGman09 Ай бұрын

@@TommoOnKZbin yeah being able to have two competent German drivers would certainly help with the brand image and everything but if he flopped it'd also be a terrible start so it's a hard call

@iconicsnz Ай бұрын

When he said Luca de Meo-nnaise i spat my food out laughing.

@joseastorga2881 Ай бұрын

Man Zak Brown warned us about RBR as well when he mentioned the resumes flying around

@tak8261 Ай бұрын

I fully agree with the point around how RB need to find the driver that would have the best shot of doing well in that seat. For that specific reason I think the team are opting to stick with Checo because he is a known entity, and at least know that he has had streaks of doing well in that seat. What I really do not get is this whole argument that Daniel would be the best choice. He's shown that adaptability is his weakness if anything, and using his success from 7-8 years as your rationale is weak. I much prefer the argument of bringing in somebody like a Liam, who can come in completely fresh. I also think we are over-blowing the whole "Gasly and Albon didn't work out" narrative, they were both still young drivers and not necessarily still proven entities at that time. Checo came in from the outside and was had done an "ok" job at adapting to the car, so then why can't somebody like Yuki also adapt? Bringing in somebody from the outside is ALWAYS going to have some kind of risk with it given you never know for sure how good a driver is going to adapt to the new car, new team environment, etc. I think what is frustrating many fans is the fact that RB are not taking that risk on the driver that is not only the most deserving, but also probably the one with the bigger potential upside (at least compared to an aging Daniel).

@1greenMitsi Ай бұрын

he is a known entity - as in, he will keep going out in Q1 and coming 8th at best? 😂 its good to know beforehand youll be losing the constructors championship??

@tak8261 Ай бұрын

@@1greenMitsi I’m not trying to defend his performance, I am just trying to say what the team probably thinking. As I said there is always a risk to bringing in somebody from the outside and they may just think they have a better shot of getting Perez back to his early season form, than making an outside driver work. Again, I am not saying it’s right or wrong, but at least I get the logic behind it.

@terencevangaalen4127 Ай бұрын

@@1greenMitsi Yes, They realized they need more windtunnel time for the new regs. :P

@1greenMitsi Ай бұрын

@@tak8261 you get the logic of keeping checo because they stand to earn more money from his backing than the difference between 1st and second in the constructors? I think youre on to something 😄

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

When you look at the numbers, Checo hasn't actually done much better than Gasly or Albon. Not when you're measuring relative to Max. Lawson I agree would do better than Checo, but equally he could well crash and burn like the last two guys to take that seat in their 1st/2nd seasons. Daniel has excelled within that team, in a Newey Red Bull that has always been on the nose. High rake n'all. Max excelled in the 2018 Red Bull, but so did Daniel. I can't imagine Max's style has changed much since then, so maybe - the same would be true in 2024...? 🤷‍♂️

@JeanneJames Ай бұрын

It isn't up to Red Bull, it's up to Liberty and shareholders Sky and Comcast. Money is winning over sport. Love your casts by the way.

@nono-mu9rw Ай бұрын

Toto's going to sign Antonelli for 2025 and beyond and renew Russell at the start of 2025, I just don't see why he would drop Russell for Verstappen. The explanation for Toto "flirting" with Max is easy in my opinion, cause instability at Redbull and possibly nuke them by taking their number 1 driver, now that redbull might no longer be a threat, no need to take their driver.

@siimtokke3461 Ай бұрын

The thing that most people seem not to understand is how boring constant winning is. When Merc was dominating, as soon as RB announced their Powertrains project, many engineers from Merc jumped at the opportunity for a new challenge. RB is dominating now, so people there have reached the top and are looking for new challenges.

@terencevangaalen4127 Ай бұрын

With every high profile RB exit, more become more likely because there is less reasons to stay for the others. When the whole team is winning there's that glue of "we can keep winning together!" Now it's more like... "who will be left if I decide to stay?"

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

Good opportunity for youngsters, bad look for the more established personel.

@hamza-chaudhry Ай бұрын

I remember in 2020 when Perez to Red Bull was announced, I thought that if he goes the same way Gasly/Albon, it's a Red Bull issue because back then, I thought Perez was a really solid driver after his 2020 season (particularly the end of it)

@markbogdan2 Ай бұрын

No matter how much of a Mick fan I am, I must admit his chances to return are slim. People can't get out of their minds his spectacular crashes. And no matter the circumstances, the repair bill remains. Although the h2h in race finishes is in Mick's favor, K-Mag's highs were 2 brilliant moments that made another important impression in the fan's minds : the p5 in the first round and the cheeky pole in Brazil. Take that p5 out of the equation and it's no longer that impressive even points wise (15-12 for KMag)

@Thu1111 Ай бұрын

If Alpine does start using Mercedes engines then i think Mick is 100% gonna get the Alpine seat. But i honestly see Mick more at Sauber/Audi then at Alpine

@turbo_brian Ай бұрын

@tommoonyoutube your audio is usually quiet. I can't hear you if I'm driving in the car, have the ac on, or pretty much if anything else is going on even with my phone volume on max. Crank it up and let us turn it down if it's too loud. Listen to your videos on youtube then swap to another video without changing the volume and see the difference.

@ChuyR. Ай бұрын

It’s the low sweet British accent, I have the exact problem with Cameron and Henry Quinney from Pinkbike. And I can hear the Canadians from the same podcast just fine.

@montymichael3480 Ай бұрын

Checo isn't going anywhere. You explained all the reasons why. Christian knows just as well what side of his bread is buttered.

@dewiarita543 Ай бұрын

An interesting point made by Isack Hadjar is that he'll visit Japan for the summer break. Will he compete in Super Formula next season?

@brucemckay7828 Ай бұрын

Oli Oakes, paving the way for Hittech to buy Alpine

@joehynes2964 Ай бұрын

Come on, Tommo. Guenther Steiner didn't repeatedly crash the Haas car resulting in multi-million dollars worth of damage. Mick did that all by himself. Doohan deserves a shot at it. Like you said, not sure how well he'll do, but maybe he'll keep the car out of the wall.

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

I do agree Joe, but there's no smoke without fire either. I wouldn't be surprised if Guenther did a bit of a sh*t job of managing Mick's development, both can be true. 🤷‍♂️

@dangraycon Ай бұрын

One of the most insightful parts about DTS in the 2018 and 2019 seasons was how Guenter would react to his drivers or the car messing up. Clearly he had a lot of pressure on him and he took it out on people swearing, shouting and saying it’s not good enough. Not a good environment for a young driver to perform...

@antonysnook4932 Ай бұрын

Mick Shumacher may be better in a Alpine. He had a hard time at HASS but it is a bad car. A better chassis may make a big difference. But Alpine are the new HASS at the back of the grid.

@flakhocito Ай бұрын

Why do we assume Checo is the only one at fault here? Last time e I checked F1 is a team sport. Look at the mercs, they got rid of the guy who kept saying Zero pots is the way to go. With that said, how about they get a better working team around Checo which there has been some rumors they will replace Checos engineer. Can you imagine after they replace Checos team hes out of nowhere back in the game?

@782claudia Ай бұрын

I personally think that earlier in the year with all the horner controversy he said to checo if you back me now i’ll back you further down the line and i think that’s what’s happening here also i don’t personally know enough but surely daniel would bring as much that checo does to mexico but to the usa in terms of money and sponsorship

@crushx Ай бұрын

Can alpine just sign jack already 🙏🙏

@Banyo__ Ай бұрын

I don't think Red Bull are going to fall apart as everyone keeps screaming over there as long as there is performance. Things only start to explode when people cannot consistently get the job done, and if they are still able to pull championships and podiums, they will put up with a lot over there on the management side before anything is ever done about it.

@harry4454 Ай бұрын

Merc didn’t explode rb won’t explode

@Svartasvanen18 Ай бұрын

Ocon doing a nice thing for is teammate is a weird thing to assume since his history indicates the exact opposite. I'm a bit tired of hearing people defend him as "competitive" or whatever, all racing drivers are competitive but not all seem to be this disliked among their peers. If most or all of your former teammates dislike you, you're most likely the problem.

@FredrikJuhl Ай бұрын

Not a Red Bull fam i'm a McLaren fan always been since Senna. I´d like to say something if you think Max and Checo Peres have the same setup on the car you are not intelligent. Max doesn't want any team mate to challenge him. Just learn by watching the past. Do you think Gasly is a bad driver? I think not. Max team mates only serve to setup Max, car for the races. By the way I liked Max but i don't think he won his first championship with honor so I only back Oscar Piastri now.

@nateb6038 Ай бұрын

Bald Doohan is a killer, if he gets the seat he’ll be racing BALD

@zaksacc Ай бұрын

No one said any of this when Mercedes lost key personnel. Or when Ferrari did. I mean there may be some weight in some of these claims but I feel like Red Bull are targeted a lot more so by the English media. Not even a Red bull fan btw

@TommoOnYoutube Ай бұрын

Is that true? The downfall of Mercedes in 2022 & 23, the many false dawns? What about McLaren in 2017 when Alonso was calling out the GP2 engine, a deeply embarrassing part of their history. And when are people NOT wailing on Ferrari. IMO to demonstrate bias, you have to demonstrate a lack of coverage of others struggles - but as far as I'm concerned that's not the truth.

@sameerdodger Ай бұрын

I've come to realise that people who don't have anything of substance to say just blame everything on perceived bias. Then they always follow up the comment with who they're a (not) a fan of as if that somehow clears them of any bias themselves. The whole conversation then just revolves around 'bias' instead of anything useful.

@georgesanchez8051 Ай бұрын

Those teams weren’t nearly as toxic culturally as RBR is. Toto wasn’t out here sexually harassing staff, nor was Maranello outwardly deriding drivers and staff (unlike someone like Marko). These are just the easy examples but they show a general coldness organizationally, and the only “justification” for that is performance. Once performance slips, the whole house of cards starts to fall.

@elianioriofarrell Ай бұрын

It did happen to Mercedes and it did happen to ferrari idk wtf you're on about

@limdoo6473 Ай бұрын

Ferrari were a constant laughing stock for the media and fans for years under Binotto. The Mercedes downfall was massively covered and criticised. Now it’s red bull because they are no longer dominant and the team seem to be breaking apart bit by bit. This is how it always goes, the best team of the time will get the coverage and criticism once they show signs of weakness, it’s how sports work

@edenkim4103 Ай бұрын

I’m sad after seeing P21

@ayyel551 Ай бұрын

I think if max joins mercedes. Max Vs George 2026 would be another Hamilton Vs Roseberg 2014

@50shameless Ай бұрын

Not a chance, Hamilton and Rosberg were at a similar level when they both joined Merc. Hamilton got the better of Rosberg in 2 of the 3 championship seasons they were involved in but were close ability wise in that car. The gap between Max and George is colossal.

@owenrodgers8020 Ай бұрын

I mean maybe they are, but as if he hasnt been part of it. He doesnt have a reputation for nothing

@irishwristwatch2487 Ай бұрын

RBR Must be one hella toxic work environment right now. It's been imploding since the Horner diaries

@AjG007 Ай бұрын

Jos Verstappen was a major cause of the problem!

@adamcollingburn430 Ай бұрын

I really don’t get why everyone romanticises over Mick - he got slapped by Kevin, who’s got slapped by Nico - he’s a lovely guy but not on the level of the rest of the grid

@ojasarora22 Ай бұрын

I think Schumacher should get a chance, he had a really bad car in 2021. I think he can perform better at Alpine or maybe any other team, But he isn't taken seriously, maybe Doohan would be a better choice for Alpine being the current reserve driver. Schumacher should get a chance for at least 1 year, Albon was also dropped because of one bad year and we've seen them become really great drivers

@Robalexe Ай бұрын

If someone is never taken seriously for seats, there's a reason why: they're not not good. The people in F1 know more than we do about how exactly good drivers are.

@ojasarora22 Ай бұрын

@@Robalexe fair enough, my point is that some people like Albon took a break & improved a whole lot. Maybe Schumacher will be better, we don't know right. But I think your point is fair too, we don't know the whole situation. And those who are in the circle know better than us

@xtherealbasedgodx Ай бұрын

Massive plot twist - with all the Mercedes/alpine rumours becoming inevitable now, what if antonelli goes to alpine & valterri back to merc for a year? Just one man’s opinion😅

@barbonson_richards Ай бұрын

Just because hes an asshole doesnt mean he cant occasionally say some real shit

@antonysnook4932 Ай бұрын

Red Bull violated cost cap some years ago and the teams are closing on them. McLaren and Ferrari are in a tight fight for constructors tittle. Red Bull dominated because they attracted a lot of people (Notably Mercedes) And major people are leaving. Some of the key people at Red Bull have been around a long time and need a fresh project. Cost cap may mean lower salaries and getting rid of key people. Coumoun in Business. Perez is not performing well but who will go in the seat and play nice with Max. Most drivers in the other seat will try to beat him. The new rules in the future are put together to be easier on smaller teams like McLaren. Maybe Williams they have gone from the front in 90's to the back and are going forward. And Perez is a a good team mate to help Albon out. I like Albon but is he a team leader. Or championship material. Perez is.