Was Lupe Velez Really Found Dead with Her Head in a Toilet Bowl?

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📍 The tragic death of Lupe Vélez, the "Mexican volcano"
On December 13, 1944, actress Lupe Velez decorated her home with flowers, lit a dozen candles, which she placed next to her religious images and statues, and then took 80 Seconal tablets. She put on one of his most beautiful clothes, lay down on her silk-covered bed, placed roses around her, took his crucifix in her right hand, then clasped her hands together and waited for death. It sounds a bit like a kitschy melodrama, but that was the reality. But who was Lupe Vélez, and why did he decide to take his own life at the age of 36?
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[@janebeckman3431]

My mom was a dancer in the 1930's/40's and knew Lupe (professionally, not socially). She said she was actually very nice, but with a Latin flair for drama, and a bit uninhibited. Apparently, a lot of Lupe's reputation was carefully cultivated.

[@maisonmakin]

Wow, the stories your mother has to tell. I'd listen for sure.

[@thegreatshaking]

Share more stories, please.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

You need to record her or write them down so they don't disappear for ever.

[@darrinda]

I have originals of all of Velez's Mexican Spitfire series and they are comic gold. Her work with Leon Errol is a master class in comedy and timing.

[@maisonmakin]

Sounds like bi polar disorder or some other sort of personality disorder. The extreme highs and lows. If only the studios really cared for their stars, they should of helped her instead of punishment by breaking contracts.

[@laurajphillips]

Never saw or heard of her, such a sad story, she sure was beautiful!

[@hpyles30241]

Thankyou for setting the record straight!

[@susandavis3544]

Sounds like another manic depressive. How sad. She was so beautiful.

[@jacqueparr4175]

She sounds bipolar to me🥲 In a time when therapy was, barbaric !

[@erinmci1710]

such is the price of beauty. that's all the people want. they use you, until you feel all used up. then cast you aside.

[@jacqueparr4175]

@@erinmci1710 😢

[@frenchartantiquesparis424]

That's what I thought too.

[@sergioandrade8735]

I loved her in "Hollywood Party" where she appeared with Jimmy Durante and Laurel & Hardy.

[@johnanthony2333]

I clicked to see if Roz was telling the truth lol While still a tragic story, it's nice to know that the toilet bowl version was indeed not true. Cheers, mate

[@madelineluna2476]

Thought I was the only one! 🤣

[@nannettedillow3780]

Me too

[@NastyWoman1979]

Watching the episode and had to pause and look it up... 🤣

[@nicholasforrester8587]

I was born in 1962 and watched old movies and fell in love with her. She was wonderful ❤

[@giovannaianni6277]

Thank you for all your research on these beautiful but tragic actors. I truly enjoy your videos.

[@luxeford547]

Andy Warhol did a film about her starring Edie Sedgwick with all the accoutrements and mythos in place. To everybody's defence, fact checking was a lot harder back then.

[@Pro1er]

I didn't know that. Lupe was one of my favorite actors. I've looked everywhere and can't find a streaming copy of the movie and IMDB has almost no information about it. I've also never been able to find any of her made in Mexico movies. I loved her in "Hell Harbor".

[@eckankar7756]

Her suicide would have been such an insult to the studios, if she did drown that at least they could cover up. I remember seeing Clayton Moore at a celebrity fan event, during the interview he was asked about his affair with Lupe. He said he never expected her to go for a swim. Who knows.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

The Lone Ranger and the Mexican Spitfire? Wow!

[@nancymontgomery8897]

Coincidentally, earlier today I watched an old Frazier episode today where Roz told Frazier the toilet bowl story. Lupe's thinking was messed up if she thought an abortion would be killing her child but committing suicide while pregnant wouldn't.

[@ivyc3500]

You can't make sense out of non sense.

[@missrese868]

That's the first time I heard about her too. Roz was telling Frasier about her

[@ericjohnson8001]

I'm so glad that story is fake! I heard it from my mom when I was little and always felt bad for this actress. My mom grew up post depression and told me stories about Saturday afternoon matinee and how a nickle bought a coke, popcorn and 2-3 hours of movies, serials and news clips. A whole Saturday afternoon for 5cents. She knew all the stars and her friends collected Hollywood magazines that sold each studios line up of actors and actresses -- it was a whole different hollywood movie industry then --- seems surreal now.

[@marthaosunamontellano6544]

How tragic. To think that was one of the options woman had at the time. RIP 💐

[@maryannebeauchamp1649]

Such a tragic ending 4 a breathtakingly beautiful & talented lady. Sad 2 think there was no other option in her mind. RIP

[@mitchmiller2382]

I wonder if she was bipolar. That would explain the volatility.

[@miguelcastaneda7236]

Yup does give them that high energy drive...till body cant keep up with mind...friend is like that

[@ericjohnson8001]

Followed by electroshock therapy and then prefrontal occipital labotomy. And valium. Aren't you glad they "invented" xanax and prozac and seroquel so women don't have to be drugged!!!???

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Definitely

[@georgeelmerdenbrough6906]

I am , though I tend to stay low longer than high .The highs are worse than the lows on your life .

[@peglegpeete9122]

Suggestion of a video. I have heard several stories/rumors over the years about the Disney1937 Snow White wrap party. It was held in Palm Springs and supposedly turned into a massive Bacchanalian adventure Walt had to shut down. If there is truth to it, it'll be a fun video.

[@lisag18]

Absolutely

[@-oiiio-3993]

Another about the 'Garden of Allah' would be good.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Yes, I've heard about that too.

[@FranciscoPerez-xm5yz]

She's great actriz mexicana fire 🔥 bella vampwoman vintage infantil love her thanks for the vídeo 📹 ♥ ❤ 💕 🙏 🔥

[@donaldsimmonsjr]

I would love it if you did a video about the film "Peyton Place" and the Lana Turner-Johnny Stompanato trial. "Peyton Place" is my favorite film of all time. I'd also love it if you do a video about my favorite tap dancer, Ann Miller.

[@eckankar7756]

I did hair in Hollywood, I frequently styled Miss Miller's wigs. She was very nice to me.

[@donaldsimmonsjr]

@@eckankar7756 That's wonderful! She seemed like a very sweet and graceful woman. Of course, I'm only 25 years old, but I would've loved to have met her.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

@@eckankar7756 I saw Ann and MIckey in Sugar Babies with they were touring. I met her briefly backstage. She was alright. She had time for an autograph but she couldn't wait to get out of the theater.

[@karaamundson3964]

Thank goodness...and thank *you,* Age of Vintage, for giving the real story a platform.

[@ezrider1205]

Her name and story was used in an episode of FRASIER .... I always thought it was just made up for the show ... then found out she was real !!!

[@maryanneturner5088]

Thank you so much for telling the truth about this poor complicated lady

[@keithireland6627]

Great story thankyou.

[@mydearvalerie]

Roz on Frazier told the -incorrect- story and for many of us that was the first time we heard of her.

[@lioness7582]

I read that she and Gary Cooper were lovers and loved each other but he could not put up with her frenitic personality.

[@robertgiles9124]

Lupe sound like she was Loopy. Johnny Weissmuller; "Me Tarzan, You insane Jane!"

[@A2D4]

She sounds like a nut to me. ....

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Such bad taste but I love it and I think she would too.

[@ivyc3500]

@@A2D4 For sure. Bat shit Crazy

[@tommunyon2874]

The recorded lecture by Dr. Murray Banks (circa 1966 or so) entitled "How to Live with Yourself, or What to do Until the Psychiatrist Comes" addresses the Lupe Valez suicide. The good doctor says in words to the effect that a mentally well adjusted person would have killed the lover that jilted her, and not herself.

[@gozerthegozarian9500]

Yeah, that's what the National Association of Domestic Abusers claims, too...I suppose Dr. Murray didn't consider options like, I dunno, "processing your feelings in a way that doesn't harm you or other people like an actual adult"???

[@trevorlee7945]

Sounds like she was Bi Polar .

[@markwilliams49]

Actually, This information is slightly wrong, Lupe was found dead on her bedroom floor, NOT on her bed, and i have the coroners photos to prove it, which i found on the internet, and she was wearing a dress that she had worn the night before when she had a last dinner with 2 friends Venita Oakie and Estelle Taylor, unknown to them she had planned to commit suicide after they left, and was found and photographed lying on her bedroom floor the next morning in the same dress she wore the night before.

[@katrinaolsen2444]

I think you may be mistaking the coroner’s photos of Carole Landis for Lupe Velez. If the pictures you saw were of a blonde wearing a white blouse and a checked skirt, that’s Carole Landis. I couldn’t seem to find any coroner’s photos of Lupe Velez. I could only find pictures of her in her coffin. But I could be mistaken and Lupe Velez’s death scene photos could be somewhere on the internet that I couldn’t find.

[@markwilliams49]

@@katrinaolsen2444 Sorry to say but i'm not, i have seen the Carole Landis Photos, and she is Laying in front of a cupboard, where as Lupe Velez is Lying on her bedroom floor on her back wearing a frilly nearly full length gown, looking as though they could just pick her body up and put her in her coffin the way she was, but unfortunately it didnt happen that way , if i had your email address i would send you a copy of the photos for you to see for yourself.

[@katrinaolsen2444]

@@markwilliams49 Thank you for your response. I remember googling Lupe Velez death photos, years ago. (Because of that terrible rumor about how she died) And Carole Landis’s death scene photos came up. I didn’t even know who Carole Landis was at the time. Or the circumstances behind her death and that Rex Harrison likely could have saved her. Supposedly he walked in on her after she had ingested the pills and before she had died. But simply left her to die instead of calling an ambulance. And one of Rex Harrison’s wives also committed suicide. I had no idea he was such a terrible person before reading about the Carole Landis situation. And how badly he behaved in general.

[@katrinaolsen2444]

@@markwilliams49 I found the photo 👍🏼 Thank you for the description of it.

[@markwilliams49]

@@katrinaolsen2444 so did i the last time i looked i couldn't find them but now they have been put online by the Huffington Post, hopefully now these evil rumours about her suicide will be put to rest once and for all!

[@lanacampbell-moore4549]

Thanks AOV❤️

[@ERASEREPLACEPLACE]

There's no movie about her? Her life seems like it was made for a great biopic.

[@theavandenberg6876]

What a sad story. I wish she had seen another way out than staging a 'beautiful' suicide.

[@marvineblackburn7846]

Poor girl. She needed some help for her volatile emotions. Rest in peace pretty lady.

[@kathleenhartnellharper7234]

Just like the awful story about Cass Eliot chocking on a ham sandwich. So insulting to her memory. She had a heart attack.

[@lindseycarribean5113]

No Mama Cass wasn’t as dramatic. She suffered being overweight and was heart broken that the other male singer of her band had a romance with Michelle Philips instead of her. It wasn’t easy for her to seduce. And she did beg a man she was into to date her and then got pregnant but she wasn’t nearly suicidal at all. She was talented, highly intelligent with a great sense of humor. As she said, she had a peaceful life until that day. Michelle said that she died a happy woman. So not as dark.

[@deborahburroughs8905]

@@lindseycarribean5113 Thanks I'm glad to hear that. She was a favorite of mine. What a voice!

[@michaelmcgee8543]

She was a good comedic actress also dramatic too. C. B. Demille's the Squaw man to Mexican Spit fire.

[@stephvazquez396]

Damn she beautiful my goodness

[@lindseycarribean5113]

Please do a video on Mama Cass❣

[@Suve35967]

I get so down, hearing about all these once Beautiful Talented Women..passing. Sometimes naturally sometimes not. 😔.

[@jackieholona5331]

Where is her final resting place ???? Was her unborn baby buried with her ?? how did the father of the child feel ??? Any pics of her funeral

[@BeveC21E]

Thanx for clearing that up...somewhat. Don't believe that part about the placement of her head in toilet. She was short, so she'd have to kneel. She wouldn't have been able to remain in that position, if she did indeed, ended that way...wow! But ppl love that type of scandalous story. Like John Garfield. That he died during an orga...you know the rest! Could you look into his story? Thank you. Jon?

[@cassiemiller7321]

God rest her soul. It would be better to ,especially her baby, act as tho she had married, been abandoned, lived a good life with her son or daughter. I pray she repented, and had a merciful judgement. God rest the soul of that dear little child.

[@richarddelgado8530]

Sadly, she DID NOT have to commit suicide. She killed two, herself and the baby. Shame was not good enough to kill herself. What a waste of talent, beauty and Life. 🦢🌹🌹🌹🦢🦢

[@heatherpike5230]

And to think all this torment due to religious beliefs. Had they not made her feel like her life was ruined she could have lived a full, happy and complete life as single mother.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Or go the Loretta Young (also Catholic) route: Disappear for health reasons, make your big comeback and adopt the child.

[@randyhebbebusche3644]

So sad. Some people will print anything to make buck. Scandals sell books.

[@lindseycarribean5113]

The first mexican star way before Salma Hayek.

[@teptime]

That would probably be Lupita Tovar.

[@kit-katnews9137]

Just like they said MOMMA CASE choked on a ham sandwich a lie she had a heart attack and died in her sleep. RIP CASE ELLIOTT

[@bkfresh7885]

It’s Cass >>>>> it’s all love 💕 though

[@jennyrose9454]

Cass

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

She never reached her zenith either, not even close. If you haven't seen her guest appearances on The Julie Andrews Hour.... Absolutely mesmerizing how those two work together.

[@ldg2655]

Sounds like she would’ve had a psychiatric diagnosis if she’d lived in this day and time..

[@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy]

That Hollywood Babylon book really did a disservice to so many people.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

That was one of my favorite books back when I used to know how to read.

[@hangin-in-thereawesome4245]

Sad!

[@zeligtheodorovich7403]

First rate! Well done!

[@keithfernandez1600]

Why did u keep referring to her as he in the description?

[@user-sq4jz9up6g]

She certainly enjoyed life so sad how it ended

[@davefairburn3298]

In taking 75 pills, she surely didn't want to live any more.

[@scallopohare9431]

Haven't watched yet, but as far asI ever knew, she was found in her bed, all dressed up. Probably intended as a ploy for attention that went horribly wrong. I enjoyed her movies.

[@loromas63]

This beautiful woman sure had her share of early trauma. Goodness!

[@Caprizonica]

You should've put some of her comedy clips. Surely Lucille Ball took inspiration from her. Lupe Velez was ahead of her time.

[@fraser_mr2009]

A few that appeared on Laurel and Hardy died young. Lupe Velez, Jean Harlow, Thelma Todd, etc.

[@lindseycarribean5113]

I remember her impersonate Hitler in a sketch .

[@olinwilliams]

I only know the name from Frasier

[@lokilove868]

Me too. Roz told the story to Fraiser.

[@noman6041]

The constant popup of the 'subscribe' ruins your videos, and i have said this before to you. I will NOT subscribe or watch any more of your videos, as long as you insist on the 'subscribe' popup during the video. It totally ruins the subject matter, and disrespects the subject. You're obviously not in it for the memories of the person, or the glory of the time era, you're simply in this for viewership and subscribers.

[@pkicng210]

10:02 I like that pose-somewhat revealing. Weren't orphanages still were in operations at that time. She should have thought of that since her stardom was beginning to fade and fast.

[@amywalker7515]

She would have had to hidden herself for a number of months to do so.

[@debifitz67]

Very sad another life gone too soon.

[@Missditabomb]

She obviously was distraught over her situation, as her end was contradictory to her stated "faith". Abortion was against Catholicism, killing her child in that way was a terrible SIN, she wrote, BUT she killed her child and herself with an overdose of Seconal. Suicide is a great sin in Catholicism, too. She was beautiful and wild and it is a tragedy that she had no one to turn to for help and love and advice during her time of fatal turmoil.

[@amywalker7515]

This is what it will be like if they reverse Roe vs. Wade

[@lisag18]

The Catholic religion needs to lighten up. They have made women feel like crap for centuries and let men have a free ride. I'm Catholic and most Catholics are not in agreement with it, neither was Jesus. No Jesus, no Christianity. Religion has made itself an abomination

[@Missditabomb]

@@amywalker7515 Agree!! What a huge step backward that will be!!

[@Missditabomb]

@@lisag18 Agree with your statement as well. Many religions are so archaic that they do not serve today's society.

[@lisabullock7461]

She was Gorgeous.🌹

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

The answer depends on if one believes her story in Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon" book series. 😂 (okay, I will watch the video now)

[@lisag18]

Don't believe anything Anger wrote. It's entertaining but not factual

[@orionova]

Anger wrote a lot of salacious stories in his books in order to get sales, not because it was true. Anger and 'truth' rarely met.

[@markwilliams49]

@@lisag18 i have the coroners photos of her and she was found dead and looking like she was asleep on her bedroom floor, anger made the story up to make sales as the publishers decided that the facts were too boring so he spiced up everything about everyone in the book until they agreed to publish it whether it was truth or not.

[@ElectrologyNow]

Kenneth Anger (creepy guy) ... did a "number" on my Santa Barbara childhood friend Bobby Bobby Beausoleil ...

[@aisforapple2494]

We thought of Kenneth Anger first, didn't we? 🤣

[@olir6910]

So sad

[@paddynoble]

I just forwarded it all the way to the toilet part. Ain't no one got time to watch the whole video on KZbin

[@vevedehavilland4743]

I love her so funny

[@marziacipellicastagneri5726]

Lupe ❤

[@lindseycarribean5113]

Please Mata Hari next.

[@lindanicholls3370]

Who is here because of Frasier?

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

If you haven't done Delores Del Rio yet, I'd love to see that one.

[@cocoaorange1]

I as well.

[@brandymcnamee7880]

How Kenneth Anger got away with _Hollywood Babylon,_ I have _no_ idea.

[@paulvon2378]

I think Lupe may have been Bipolar.

[@billchambersmarquez1964]

Rodeo drive is pronounced row day oh! Drive!

[@battleelf6523]

Gorgeous.

[@kathleencalhoun2225]

I'd like to know who some of the handsome actors were she was shown in these movies with.

[@globeflicker9216]

Sounds like a crazy actually.

[@lindseycarribean5113]

Why not talk about old historical figures of the previous century ??? Like Sissi, The Empress or Louis 14 & 16 ??? Henry 4 ? They were the stars of that time. Queen Victoria ?

[@ronaldwatson1951]

I wouldn't be surprised, her ego and torrent childhood, she definitely had some issues, with looks and talent. Sad ending and she'll be judged one day. Good controversial reporting.

[@cinthia9602]

5:42, the eye of Horus??

[@BetterGreta13]

I believed and have been telling people the Lupe Velez myth story for years! Now I feel like a contributor to a terrible lie! Forgive me, Lupe! Loved your "Mexican Spitfire" movies....

[@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy]

Really? How often does Lupe Velez come up in your conversations? 🤔

[@BetterGreta13]

@@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy Every so often! I am a classic Hollywood-phile and I love discussing its stars with friends and my kids, who also appreciate the genre! Don't underestimate the interest in these classic stars!

[@lindseycarribean5113]

Tragic end. She was too emotional with a temper definitely. Like divorce, raising a child all by yourself wasn’t seen well. She didn’t want to face people who would point fingers at her. She could have been a pioneer to show that it’s possible but it was too much for her. That this man left her pregnant just killed her and then he got cancelled. Morality of those days. She had a torrid affair with Gary Cooper.

[@taylorrice8612]

Point fingers? Unwed mother? Her spitfire image side would have kicked in.

[@scallopohare9431]

@@taylorrice8612 Not at that time.

[@LuisSoto-ey4le]

I am a velez too , it must be genetic!

[@albertocrespo6014]

What a waste.

[@Oppeldeldoc1]

People are so crazy about real-life dark stuff that that's probably one of the reasons the story is so popular (whether it's true or NOT).

[@jennyrose9454]

Well I hope not!

[@ElectrologyNow]

pronounce “seconal” ... SEK-en-al ... not see-CON-al.

[@A2D4]

The British often ‘mispronounce’ words to our accepted way of pronunciation. They constantly misplace the emphasized syllables. One I recently heard several times is ‘contribute’ for which they say CON-tri-bute. Weird and funny.......

[@gregorychilcote4636]

Generally more women attempt suicide than actually succeed. Men don’t try as frequently but are more successful when they do. It may have been she expected to be found and ‘saved’ in dramatic fashion. As an aside, if a woman ‘suicide’ shoots herself in the head suspect murder. Women typically shoot in the heart, men choose the head. It’s a psychological thing…something thought to relate to their not wishing to mess up their looks.

[@GwenPidgeon]

I have no reason to doubt Roz.

[@chucksellers8422]

Lupe Velez (1st time I've heard of her tbh) reminds me of Rita Hayworth. She's not as beautiful as Hayworth, but no one (except Dietrich) is.

[@ambercrombie789]

I've always heard that suicide in the Catholic Church was a guaranteed sentence to Hell. ?

[@conmckfly]

Your history needs to get his/ her pronouns right. In your written history you are referring to Lupe as "he".

[@cinthia9602]

10:10, who is that?😍😍

[@carolannemckenzie3849]

Lupe with Gary Cooper, looking hot 😁

[@cinthia9602]

@@carolannemckenzie3849 OK. Thank you😊

[@cassiebennet4262]

He probably was a sacrifice to another celebrity to harness his energy.

[@miapdx503]

Peep 5:45 😏

[@Greywolfgrafix]

Please edit this: "...She put on one of HER most beautiful clothes, lay down on her silk-covered bed, placed roses around her, took HER crucifix in her right hand, then clasped her hands together and waited for death. It sounds a bit like a kitschy melodrama, but that was the reality. But who was Lupe Vélez, and why did SHE decide to take HER own life at the age of 36?"....

[@meowmeowmeowser6349]

It bothered me too

[@markwilliams49]

Not Quite, she had on a frilled dress and lay down on her bedroom floor after taking the pills, NO crucifix or flowers, as i have seen and now have the coroners photos that i discovered some years ago on the internet. and it was a wooden floor as well.

[@markokoume9343]

So, no. No she wasn't.

[@LVQuinn83]

Seriously let her rest in peace 😞 Stop gaining attention from her passing...

[@chuckschillingvideos]

So.....she didn't believe in abortion but found it A-OK to off her unborn in the child via suicide. Yeah....her reputation needs to be preserved.

[@johnbailey3877]

I’m so glad I haven’t subscribed Try editing! And don’t trust yourself - have A second person listen and provide editing suggestions Succinct is good - Even for “glamour pieces”

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Hey, he's 1000 times better than he was 6 months ago. Give him a break!

[@johnbailey3877]

@@Bigbadwhitecracker I appreciate the reply & the 'big picture' attitude.... thnx

[@suefox6164]

She had to have been very depressed to suicide. Catholics are taught that suicide sends you straight to "hell."

[@lindseycarribean5113]

And that’s false. It’s not written in the scriptures.

[@lisag18]

The Catholic religion is ridiculous. They made Christ and his purpose a mockery. It's Its own abomination

[@jennyrose9454]

Not anymore

[@nannettedillow3780]

That is why religion is so scary