Was Malcador Truly A Perpetual? - 40K Theories

[@40KTheories]

*NOTE* : This video contains spoilers for Fury of Magnus. You have been warned!

[@indyman121]

Oop thanks for the heads up that's one I'm listening too soon so I'll put this video on my watch later

[@mordart714]

Is wishing the spoilers didn't exist at all an option? I feel like a stroke from sheer stupidity would be the better option. The whole thing doesn't make a damn lick of sense!

[@mrbreck1]

Small note to consider; A perpetual resurrected malcador by channeling her energy. At his end, after sitting in the golden throne, malcador saved a portion of his energy and passed it to the emperor. The big E was already a perpetual so i wonder about the effects of this both intended and unintended.

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

I wasn't planning to buy or "buy" the book but the passage in the video was awesome! now I will... buy it.

[@Thetreetroll]

Malcador didn't need to make any sacrifice, they could have just duct taped a bunch of psykers together in series like car batteries. Drama queen.

[@Le-cp9tr]

I feel like having immortality just for it to be sucked dry twice in less than a week is a kick in the balls to be honest

[@headlibrarian1996]

If he had acquired the qualities of a perpetual he probably didn’t know, that probably isn’t evident until significant time has passed. Unless he also regressed in age, spending forever as a 70-80 year old man (the M23 equivalent is probably a lot older given the advanced genetic science of the era of his birth) isn’t exactly a great blessing.

[@thththtemp]

Better than going through life having never been sucked dry even once 😜

[@TheRealAstronaut123]

Had to get some more random woke points in the lore....worth

[@damianwomack4668]

@@TheRealAstronaut123 how is any of this woke?

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

@@damianwomack4668 if you don't see it I genuinely feel sorry for you poor guy

[@reignick1133]

There's always the possibility of Malcador having gone through the "Rejuvnat" treatment process... For all, we know of Malcador and given his age, knowledge, and rumored past experience? He could very well be the originator of the Rejuvnat Technology. He was one of this galaxy's most educated "Humans", he lived for several Millenia, was the greatest "TechnoMage" of terra, and his order existed before Old Night. It's a high possibility and there's PLENTY of mysteries surrounding him.

[@northernnaysayer]

Rejuvanat treatments are widely known to only work for a set amount of time, if I'm not mistaken it's usually less than 1000 years, although, this doesn't take into count the apotheosis from mortal to astartes, which, in itself could be viewed as a prejuvinat treatment....

[@MrHinchapelotas]

Impossible, rejuvenant treatments were invented by Mathias Rejuven, not Malcador.

[@headlibrarian1996]

I think it most likely Jagatai doesn’t really know what Perpetuals are, so he makes no proper distinction between “life extension by biomancy” and true immortality. To somebody like Erda, she probably also assumes “real old” = “Perpetual”.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

I feel considering that vulkan didn't realize he was a perpetual for a long while, and the rarity of perpetualls, he just didn't know what they were.

[@Triumph263]

If Big E said he was a Perpetual and said Malcador was like him and is immortal all the Primarchs would assume Malcador is a Perpetual.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

@@Triumph263 did the emperor ever say he was a perpetual?

[@jkgf4671]

Khan said what Horus told him. Horus found out that Malcador is perpetual and his "sins". Jagatai repeated Horus' words. So its not Jagatai not understanding what perpetual means. Its more of a writing error or Magnus being able to destroy Malcador's souls and therefore breaking his perpetual powers or some writer mistake.

[@malcadorthesigillite5847]

Yes I am. Nobody swept my dust off the throne either. I'm still there. You think ten thousand years of sitting the golden throne sucks? Try the 'sapient dust experience' WITHOUT power armour to seal it in.

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

Wait a second! WHERE IS THE EMPEROR?

[@TheTravelingbard]

@@edmundthespiffing2920 Sitting right on top of him.

[@peterwall8191]

*Malcador the Sigillite* Quit trying to troll loyal subjects of the Emperor , chaos spawn. You are not Malcador . The Hero is not more, alas. He gave his all to his Emperor!

[@RevantheBlack]

This comment is underrated

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

Even worse... Centuries of imperial farts... 🤢

[@lockiet7227]

Malcador is underrated

[@AimlessSavant]

Malcador the Underappreciated

[@enigma9273]

Agreed took a back hand from logar and got back up. And let's not forget he almost choked hours to death with his fucking mind pure boss

[@JohnTandy74]

Malcador the Hero !

[@JohnTandy74]

@@enigma9273 that bit was awesome it was a brilliant read!! He flew 30 feet across the muster place from a backhander that would have had an Astartes visiting the appocatharien ! HE said NO one else could have controlled the Terran webway portal via the golden throne after the folly of Magnus allowed the dæmonic incursion!! But not a perpetual just a phyker unrivalled/unmatched in humanity except for HIM himself???

[@MVPBallingD.Rose96]

Im fairly new to the 40k scene but i primarily keep through lore videos. Malcador has always seemed like crazy powerful dude. I saw him as second to the Emperor. But i dont see a lot of videos on Malcador and his accomplishments

[@cerberus400]

I think it's just normal Gee Dubs retcon ratfuckery. He probably was a perpetual at one point in the lore and then he wasn't when it didn't fit the developing narrative.

[@40KTheories]

There was probably some sort of flip-flopping involved. "He's not a perpetual" "Let's make him a perpetual" "No that doesn't make sense, let's go back to him not being a perpetual"

[@UNION_JACK_THE_RIPPER]

I do wish there was more stories about malcador I would love to read the malcador before he bumped into the emperor. Has he always been old or has he been young. Was a sort of caretaker for the emperor always watching but not showing his face until when needed.

[@Interrobang212]

Part of the appeal of malcador is his sheer power level without being a superhuman. He is the most powerful normal, natural born human to ever live - period. No gene seed, no one in a billion billion rare magic destiny, no shaman mass suicide chosen one shenanigans. Malcador is all natty.

[@lockiet7227]

His natty status is questionable. Might be one some superhuman psyker juice that we don’t know about. Besides, he never claimed natty 🧐

[@mrgriff7677]

Wonder if Athlean X could weigh in on Malcador's status as natty or juicy

[@henryviiifake8244]

"Without being a superhuman"? The fact that he wasn't instantly killed by a Primarch and threatened to srraight up _kill_ another using his phycic powers makes that statement _preeeeetty sus,_ I think.

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@mrgriff7677 For an old man, I think he's pretty juicy on the down-low. Pause. ⏯

[@captainl-ron4068]

In termed of psychic awesome-sauce he was second only to The Emperor.....and potentially Magnus but that is highly debatable. We know that any physical augmentative/medical alteration or implantation he had been subject to was minor as it did not noticeably change his silhouette. If Malcador’s entire potential was 100% intrinsic and natural and had not been enhanced (even if only by his own hand) then he would be an anomaly on par with The Emperor Himself. ‘Natty’....doesn’t quite cover that suitably.

[@commanderyew2312]

I think Malcador was a 'weak' perpetual, thus why he aged but still had such a lengthy lifespan and how he was able to take blows from a primarch.

[@40KTheories]

Possibly, but personally I feel the biomancy hypothesis is a more likely option in regards to extending his lifespan and his physical durability.

[@Restilia_ch]

@@40KTheories It might also be the case that, during the course of the Terran Unification Wars and the Great Crusade, he exerted his psychic powers and body so much that even being a Perpetual could not keep up. To go from his prime to tottering old man in just a couple centuries after millennia of service would need a drastic change in lifestyle, and going from the relative calm contemplations to the Wars and Crusade might have been enough. I do not know what lore exists to describe his actual actions during the Wars and Crusade beyond mostly being an administrator, but to be known as a very powerful psyker means he had to have publically demonstrated it at least once. And we know he preferred to do things behind the scenes, so I don't think it's unreasonable for him to have been working himself literally to death over those centuries. Just look at the Emperor. 10,000 years and he hasn't regrown a single fingernail, all because he's putting everything he has into the Golden Throne.

[@Robahomusic]

Yeah, Perpetual powers could be limited.

[@skywatcheradept]

Perpetuals are not Immortal, they just don't die of age. They can be killed like everyone else.

[@KadRSP]

@@40KTheories Could it not be possible that Malcador was indeed a Perpetual and used Biomancy to age himself into the old man? If Biomancy can be used to keep on young, it stands to reason it could be used to make one older. As for why he needed help coming back after Magnus killed him. One, perhaps the Emperor wanted him to come back sooner than he otherwise would have, and thus had Sureka revive him. Two, Magnus is the third (second, depending on who you ask) most powerful psyker in the Imperium. I do not think it is impossible that he crushed out Malcador's soul, thus causing him true death. At that point, he would have needed Sureka to bring him back to life, thus restoring his perpetuality in the process.

[@alytrissa8562]

I am but a simple man: I see Malcador, I click like. As always, love your content, it's really helped me understand the lore behind the game I've always wanted to get into.

[@Matt-md5yt]

Malcador the Hero was a great guy, glad you talked about him again

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

First read this as a penguin instead of perpetual

[@40KTheories]

It would be an interesting twist to discover that Malcador was a small, flightless bird...

[@donperez8774]

@@40KTheories Isn't the Terra HQ of the Inquisition (Malcador's legacy) in the area formerly known as Antarctica?

[@40KTheories]

Yup

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

@@40KTheories Oh my Emperor!! EVERYTHING IS LINKED!

[@jesusisherelookbusy]

Well there is a species of penguin called an Emperor Penguin. Coincidence? *I THINK NOT!*

[@Fireontire]

Is Remleiz actually a super intelligent Raptor sendt to the future by memers to uphold an ancient covenant? (Love the latest vid, keep it up my friend)

[@KadRSP]

Well, duh. Obviously.

[@zignitz]

Its a shame no one is on the same page with 40k lore. Even in the same series by the same author sometimes.

[@40KTheories]

Some sort of lore bible would indeed be a good idea

[@TheMalkavianmadman]

@@40KTheories In truth the Administratim are mostly working on said 40k lore bible. First draft shoul be complete some time after the heat death of the universe.

[@mrbreck1]

They have steered into the skid on the lore side. The dating system is being used along with suppression of truth and propaganda to justify the difference in canon between writers. I recommend looking up some of the videos on the imperial dating system. I know it seems like a dry subject but i found it fascinating.

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@40KTheories Ironically, the _real_ Bible has the same problem 🤣

[@meuko]

@@Jeff-fe8rf it just seems lazy tbh

[@shipmate3577]

Malcador is the John Stockton of Warhammer 40k. Underrated and made everyone around him better, including the Emperor

[@Erikjust]

Okay since Malcador was brought back to life by the sacrifice of Alivia Sureka pouring her life force into Malcador and dying as a process of that. It might be possible in order to hold the warp tear closed Malcador had to use his very life essence in order to fuel his psychic powers to a height needed to hold the tear closed. If i recall correctly Malcador (in the old fluff at least) used the last of his life essence to grant the emperor enough strength to give his last orders. So even if Malcador was a perpetual he is now dead having given the last of his life force away. I would suspect that in a way is also why The Emperor haven´t regenerated from his wounds and is now more or less a skeleton with a few living cells. He might just keep enough of his life force to keep those few of his cells alive and using the rest of it along with that of the 1000 unlukcy sods that gets sacrificed to him every day, to partially holding the tear closed and fueling the astronomicon keeping it lit. Which does beg the question if with the Eldar´s or maybe Necrons (though i VERY much doubt they would ever lift as much as a finger to help mankind with anything that wouldn´t benefit them) help the warp tear on Terra could somehow be closed permanently, would the Emperor be able to redirect enough of his life force to slowly regenerating his wounds.

[@barlotardy]

Don't forget, Mal was born during the dark age of technology. For all we know, he replaced his blood with 8 pints of advanced regenerative nanites or some such techno-crap....

[@Mechabang]

I'm more interested about Khan "knowing" about the Imperial Truth and his thoughts about his father and Malcadore. Now, this makes me think that if Khan was still around, he and the White Scars would leave the Imperium but not joining Chaos.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

there more to it, Khan and Sanguinius both knew the truth. The question was really why lie? The Khan would get an answer after a demon of nurgle nearly killed him with all but a knife bringing him down. After being saved by his brother, his sons and the guardsmen he risked his life to save, he understood. He did not agree with his farther but seeing the horrors of chaos first hand now knows his farther was justified in his fears.

[@evancromee2727]

Last time I was this early the Thunder Warriors were still alive

[@szymonbollin5074]

Oof

[@FoundingChambers]

Malcador bitch-slapping Horus is what made me appreciate him as the absolute G he is.

[@TheMrmessyal]

Malcador was a genetic experiment of the sigilites.

[@calelolson]

I think he was the last of the Golden Men.

[@Promethium666]

Didn't the golden throne essentially vapourise malcador when he sat upon it to help the emperor after magnus' "warning"? Maybe he and the Emperor are just chilling as like two atoms of dust that have yet to be cleaned from a crevice on the throne thinking in tandem "What the hell have they done to our Imperium"

[@Thornsaint5301]

I remember people going through some serious mental gymnastics trying to explain/understand if Malcador is a perpetual.

[@youisa1]

Yes! I've always thought this.

[@erikdreki4726]

If he is a perpetual, then I doubt he's a true perpetual like Ollanius and most likely made perpetual like Grammaticus. But honestly I still subscribe to the biomancy based life extension theory. But great still a video regardless

[@shikatsu]

Or Malcador made some deals similar to Emps in regards to goals of the imperium and throne time was when they came due...

[@evancromee2727]

Last time I was this early the Thunder Warriors were still alive.

[@j.b.2263]

Last time I was this early I had to wait 2 minutes for the big bang.

[@khai96x]

It's the 21st century, Thunder Warriors don't exist yet.

[@l33t9r0u93]

even after 300+ videos i'm still quite enthralled by the lore

[@racspartan1]

Very Interesting. Nice. I have never thought of Malcador as one of the perpetuals, but as with All 40k Lore there is enough evidence to go Either Way.

[@VoicesOfNihil]

Was Malcador a perpetual? Yes. He was a perpetual bro. Respect for the mad lad.

[@AccidentalNinja]

I only played the game once but I still like the lore because it's like mythology.

[@serronserron1320]

Perhaps Malcador was a perpetual, but when he was burnt to crisp by Magnus the red an extremely powerful psychic being, that was probably one of the few things that could kill a perpetual. According to one book Malcador was at least six thousand years old and perhaps he kept himself alive through rejuvenation treatments and his own psychic abilities.

[@jameslarson9942]

Dang it! I am just about to read Fury of Magnus!!! You sssshould have warned ussss at the beginning of the video preciousssss....!!!!

[@40KTheories]

I posted spoiler warnings in both the video description, and as a pinned comment :)

[@jameslarson9942]

@@40KTheories No worries buddy...! The continuously supreme content that you post, more than makes up for a little spoilage...!!!

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Malcador is best bro

[@grongusKhan]

My headcanon is that ‘Perpetual’ refers to not only those who recover from mortal wounds and death as said in the video, but those also those who simply don’t die of old age, Malcador being in the second category.

[@michaelhowell2326]

Have there been any instances of Imperial Possession like Chaos does? An Imperial being taken over by the "good" forces of the Warp or the Emperor himself?

[@40KTheories]

Yes. The novel "Plague War" has an instance of a little girl being possessed by the Emperor.

[@michaelhowell2326]

@@40KTheories you've got all the answers, Rem. You could definitely be referred to as a 40k Encyclopedia.

[@danang5]

writting it before watching,probably,and the reason he hasnt show up agains is either: 1.hasnt recovered because the golden throne shenanigan injure him heavily 2.keeping the golden throne shenanigan injure his warp presence so much he died permanently 3.his soul trapped in immaterium maybe consumed by one of the 4 god or the 4 god figthing over it 4.already recovered but hiding somewhere doing something like trying to recover the emperor,finding primarch,fighting chaos from the shadow,secretly already controlling the inquisition,or maybe just chillin in a garden world

[@kaynealexander4993]

Guess we'll know how Jaghatai would sound like in TTSD

[@Le-cp9tr]

Malcador: The Anti Necron. (Or Negacron, if you will.)

[@l33t9r0u93]

5:35 still amazed jaghatai didn't go renegade during the horus heresy

[@michaelhowell2326]

I love the idea of Perpetuals. They give us the reader a link to the future universe. With Olonius Pius having served with the US Army as a Tanker, there's a good chance I've met him. I love it. Maybe General Mcmasters is Pius?

[@AlVainactual]

Hey, what are perpetuals anyway? Have we ever got any lore regarding their nature and origins? Are there any prominent xenos perpetuals? I think that would be a cool video 🙂

[@Duppyman695]

Eldar souls can be held within a spirit stone and then can become a wraith,The Eldar Pheonix Lords are Immortal who ever wears that Lords armour becomes that Pheonix Lord but its not the same as a perpetual!

[@Wafflemarine22]

I recall in one of the siege of Terra books them talking to a scientist that was centuries or thousands of years old too. I would not put it past Malcadors order to have gotten ahold of that tech as well.

[@GRBoi1993]

Last time I was this early man hadn’t yet colonised Mars

[@WarmasterDeath]

Considering his last act was to pour his own life force into the emperor, so that he could enact his final orders, it’s possible he could have resurrected from his time on the throne, but chose duty instead. It also raises the possibility that Malcador continues on within the emperor in some aspect, though I admit that’s mostly wishful thinking for a way for one of my favourite characters to have more plot time on my part

[@jaqdraco]

What if: Mal is a creation of the Emperor, his first attempt at creating a perpetual like the cabal does. He knew he couldn't be everywhere in his grand plan and needed leaders. Essentially a non war form of a Primarch, a PrimAdministrator. We know he experimented in creating powerful beings before the Primarchs and marines, like The Angel and the thunder warriors, makes sense he would create beings not meant for the front lines. Or Emps created him as a subversion of himself like Cawl creates his mini me's, but Emps didn't create a full clone because either he didn't know how (like how he had to deal with the chaos god's to make Primarchs), or it would be a risk it would challenge him for leadership. Or Mal was created by the Cabal and he defected to the Emperor's cause, as we know Big E back in the day had a presence and way with words. Maybe even he was created to infiltrate, advise and sway Big E to the cabals cause but got turned himself. Or The dates are all wrong, and Mal is a Proto-Emporer. The Shamans sacrificed a small number of their kind to see if it would work, before sacrificing on mass to create the Emperor Or He's Alpharius

[@KadRSP]

I mean, it is obvious that hs is Alpharius. Everyone, even the Emperor, is Alpharius.

[@Killdust99]

There’s also the very off chance that, given how they retain their memories, it’s just multiple clones that Malcador could have been making or having Fabius make. It would make a certain bit of sense as to how Fabius became so good at it if that’s true

[@fbussier80]

What if Mal aged because, in 40k, beliefs affects reality. With everyone believing him to be old: reality warped him to that image.

[@FlorpIncarnate]

Jaghatai sounds like a traitor at 5:43, I don't get how this quote makes any sense considering he sided with the Emperor during the heresy.

[@crewie94]

I think he could be a descendant of the Perpetuals or intended to be a perpetual at some point but this hasn't remained consistent across the lore. Anyhow, Malcador was cool. 👌

[@40KTheories]

Indeed, Malcador was awesome.

[@crewie94]

@@40KTheories And your coverage was brilliant mate. Thanks for another great one.

[@UDAWAPBADDY]

I love the idea that somewhere on some unsuspecting world there’s a frail old psyker living as a hermit because the people of the planet are afraid of him. He has nightmares of daemons and wars and yet he can’t quite remember who he is...

[@Spacefrisian]

Maybe Malcador sat on the throne more often than we were told, and that drained slowly the perpetual stuff.

[@hunterwaguespack3963]

A video on Miriael Sabathiel would be cool

[@-Siculus-Hort-]

there MUST be a unification war game...

[@robertr.7995]

Malcador and the Emperor are kind of like Mom and Dad to the primarchs. You know how when you disobeyed your mother as a kid and your father comes in the room and makes you listen to your mother? It's like that. Malcador: "Do the thing." Primarch: "I don't have to listen to you!" Emperor: "[teleports into the room] I KNOW I DIDNT JUST HEAR YOU BACK-SASS YOUR MOTH-....MALCADOR!"

[@iansaviet600]

Broke: Malcador is immortal Woke: Malcador is Emp's once-imaginary friend turned real

[@mileshawkins3856]

Last time I was this early I was Ollanious Pious

[@UNION_JACK_THE_RIPPER]

Good to know I'm not only one up at 6am

[@HAL-cp4mt]

I think prepetuals are immune to death from physical attacks , not psychic ones, therefore Malcodor was really killed by Magnuses psychic inferno, and died again by the " psychic " means of the iron throne, and the only physical substance that is known to kill a perpetual is fulgurite, which is the emperors psychic might taking physical form.

[@markrtoffeeman]

One has to remember that perpetuality and pysker ability is closely related. It's implied that The Emperor is so powerful psychically. He has the ability to stop his biological aging. That's not to say all perpetuals have to display conscious psychic ability. They can unconsciously apply their psychic ability to maintain perpetuality. Like Vulcan. If perpetuality is psychically linked. It can also be character/self image linked. Malcador wants others to see him as a wisened old man. Less of a threat. Making it easier for him gather information. Its intentional. Everything Malcador does is for a reason. Everything. Nothing is random.

[@mistsofthenexus76]

I think the reason Malcador couldn't regenerate from his exposure on the Golden Throne, it's because the sheer power of the golden throne siphons off immortality (e.g. the Emperor in the current millenium). Like Fulgurite, it seems like it's one of the few things that can kill Perpetuals.

[@jesseberg3271]

Couldn't Malcador have been a perpetual, and then lost his immortality, like Gramaticus did? That would explain his long life, but also why he started aging just near the end of it.

[@40KTheories]

Maybe, but then the question in this case would be as to when and how exactly he lost it.

[@messageinthebottle1673]

Since I have a fascination with immortality, I find the warhammer 40k universe taking on the immortality subject very interesting because it shows the difference between multiple types of immortality and "almost immortality" as well life extensions. So I do kinda wonder were the line is drawn for a immortal individual in warhammer 40k universe to survive and truly killed. One of the most disturbing but interesting stories of a immortal character is primarch valkun when he was captured by his psychopathic brother Corax, his brother did everything he can to kill Valkun but his immortality was very powerful that he keep healing and self-ressurecting no matter how messed up the attempts to kill vulkan. It got to the point where Valkun purposely uses his immortality like a tool 🔧 to take on task that was seemingly suicidal and stupid.

[@daveb6722]

An interesting twist would be that Malcador was actually the emperors twin, considering that the emperors genetics created Alpharius and Omegon.

[@KadRSP]

I mean, couldn't the argument be made that all the Primarchs are twins, just not identical twins? After all, as far as we know, they were all created at the same time.

[@marcuswillbrandt5901]

16 minutes to conclude that being perpetual and being dead don't go that well together? Jokes aside, nice video......Malcador gets a lot less love than he deserves......after all he is the one who founded the Imperium in the sense of it being a functional entity.......but sadly badass old man seems less marketable than big boy in big armour

[@Dieselkraftwerk]

Malcador was and is a HERO and thats enough for me !

[@Duppyman695]

Damm straight !

[@andrewmcnally5013]

Since we do not know a great deal about Perpetuals, there is always the possibility that their ability to regenerate is tied more directly to the Perpetual's soul. Since the Golden Throne is so immense in its power, it is possible that using it for such an extended period of time actually damaged Malcador's soul badly enough that he, as an "artificial" Perpetual, could not regenerate. It would also explain why the Emperor of Mankind has not been able to regenerate as his soul is currently fractured and why Ollanius Pious was essentially deleted from reality IF he was the one to dive in front of Horus.

[@40KTheories]

Possibly, but bear in mind that during their final battle Horus had been given a massive power boost by the Chaos Gods themselves, so the Emperor's inability to regenerate now could be due to the god-like power Horus had at the time.

[@icdansheep1873]

What's that part that Jaghatai is talking about? Is there anything more on the stuff that the Imperial Truth is based on? He was a Loyalist but doesn't really seem happy to have daddy rule.

[@theofficerfactory2625]

Are these quotes from audio books? Cause dang, I kn ow for sure I heard some of these people on Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri!

[@Gormathius]

The Sigilites sucked the young out of people like Stargate wraiths. It’s one of the quickly glossed over horrible things they did during Old Night.

[@40KTheories]

Really? What's the source on that out of curiosity?

[@Gormathius]

@@40KTheories Oh that’s just something I made up. I thought it was obvious.

[@NetMoverSitan]

Well, it clearly wasn't enough to be able to handle the Golden Throne as he was burned out, by the time they put the Emperor in. | 3:40 - Spiky Tits was careless there. | 4:45 - KHAN!!! (Echoes) | 9:40 - Like how Vulkan was, when he was killed over and over again by fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman?

[@anotherzingbo]

Is it definitively stated that there is only one type of "perpetual" immortality? Or might some perpetuals be able to return from the dead while others are "just" biologically immortal?

[@connorcmsmith4302]

it could be like that scene from batman the dark knight rises were Ra's saids to Bruce there are many forms of immortality. Malcador the sigilitie may not be a person but a title passed down through the ages each person who takes the title becomes Malcador making in a sense that Malcador lives on but the hosts of the name dont. or maybe its darker in nature and his soul is like that of a demon and must have a living host to survive

[@Wineblood]

What if Malcador was the result of the emperor trying to make a perpetual? He loves making all sorts of things and outlives everyone, so making a friend who'll stick around sounds like something he'd do.

[@karollysiak1]

During the Council of Nikaea, Ahriman said that Malcador lived so long only because the Emperor wanted it. Or something like that

[@40KTheories]

Which can easily be interpreted as "the Emperor chose to not have him killed as of yet"

[@AgentSquirrelA]

Is it a thematic choice or just a speech quirk that he using high rising tone on the end of each sentence? Genuinely curious?

[@Locnoriano]

Warp induced heavy damage seem to have odd effects on "perpetuality". Perhaps Malcador was a perpetual killed by Magnus' sorcery, much like the Emperor would be from the warp-infused attacks from Horus.

[@StarboyXL9]

"The Halls of Leng" So the Emperor has read Lovecraft? And approved it enough to name a part of his Palace after a location where realities converge?

[@warcraftdude13]

Malcador's "Age" may be more battle wounds or wear and tear rather than time itself

[@generaldreagonlps6889]

Malcador is such an interesting figure. I really hope that if the Emperor is ever revealed to be an actual god we'll see Malcador return together with Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius as the first imperial daemon princes or something like that.

[@TK199999]

Pyskers of Malcador's power could give themselves any appearance they wished. So saying he 'looked' old is kinda meaningless. It also could be that Malcador's pyskic presence was 'aging' for lack of better word under the weight of Hersey. There is some really old fluff that suggests that Malcador is in fact Tubal-cain. But I think its never been expanded on or explained. It mostly reinforces that Malcador was special in some way, though it appears still being the EoM friend at the end, made him pretty unique too. In the end it can not be understated, by Malcadors own words, he and he alone was responsible for what happened to 2nd and 11th Primarch's. Vaguely stating that they symbolized more of threat to everything the EoM was trying to achieve than anyone else. Suggesting it may have been somehow worse than the Horus Hersey itself. To the point either Malcador or EoM wiped what exactly happened with them from the remaining Primarch's minds. Meaning only EoM and Malcador knew what really happened, the remaining Primach's just knew it happened and was bad. Though once during the Hersey Horus states, even with all his hate of his father the EoM, that what was done was nessary. Suggesting perhaps the Dark Gods allowed Horus to really remember what happened. Finally with only Guillman and Dorn begging their father not punish their legions for their Primarch's failures.

[@oldeskul]

I have a headcanon that the reason for Malcador's longevity was because he was a blood relative of the Emperor.

[@40KTheories]

The idea of Malcador being related to the Emperor was also mentioned in Visions of Heresy, but if Malcador's birth date is accurate, he'd probably be something like a great-grand nephew or something to that effect.

[@doctordoubledakka3939]

@@40KTheories Big E was like Zeus, he liked to clap those mortal cheeks. There is no reason Malcador can't be direct offspring, Emperor might be Malcador's Poppa; like Zeus and Hercules. All the perpetuals might have come from the Emperor's big golden ballz

[@the_astrokhan]

Somehow I believe that he was a perpetual all along but the shenanigans he was involved in ground down his perpetual nature to the point where it was negated. Just like a fulgurite being able to kill a perpetual we know that there are ways of taking that gift away and not all of them have to have something to do with the emperor. Which would explain why his resurrection, much like that of Vulkan, came at the hands of an other perpetual.

[@johnmerrickAN]

It's stated in saturnine by erda "the sigilite stayed ofcourse, he was always married to the cause" while they're talking about perpetuals

[@40KTheories]

Yes I bring that up in the video itself :P But her claims are also contradicted by a number of other sources ;)

[@johnmerrickAN]

@@40KTheories gonna be pondering this all day now, damn you

[@nelson8360]

I think the Emperor and Malcador knew about the civil war and 10,000 years of degradation or at least the possibility of it. I think Malcador lives and is one of the high lords of terra or someone very powerful. The Emperor could change his appearance I'm sure Malcador could too. Still serving humanity and the Emperor so that humanity wouldn't be wiped out.

[@MrKevmomoney]

Here’s a question: Did the emperor feel any pain being around the Sister of Silence Nulls?

[@Oculas2003]

Wonder what would have happened if someone else took Malcadors place on the Throne, leaving him alive after the Emperor was interrred?

[@waynegoddard4065]

The Emperor appears as an old man and a luminous being of golden light at the same time. Maybe Malcador could do the same.

[@Duppyman695]

You could be right, The Emperor also apears as a young girl afew times and spoke through Malcador to Dorn and Corax both knew it was there Father!

[@raphaelduffy]

Does either option even let being a 'basic' perpetual matter? A demon might have died in either possibility, powerful pyskers can perma kill demons and perpetuals.

[@alecsmith3448]

What was the Emperors name before Malcador got him to take that title?

[@40KTheories]

He had many names, but one of the ones known with 100% certainty was "Neoth"

[@murdock94]

The more I learn about Malcador, the more I believe he is a Chaos God or at least an agent of chaos.

[@DocWolph]

Malcador was able to sustain and extend his life simply based upon his self-image. Given that he was likely not just extremely powerful but extremely skilled, it would not be unlikely that Malcador eventually developed skills and powers not unlike the Emperor, who used his Psychic powers to hide and even alter his identity, eventually settling upon the Massive God-man we know today. Malcador simply lived for over 6700 years because he never really thought of the passage of time on him. But the travails of the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy, among others, put context to the time he lived and his self image evolved, aged, as a result. This was made all possible because Malcador was quite possibly the most powerful mortal human Psyker in human history.

[@namkreo]

Maybe the Powers of the Warp are abel to kill a Perpetual. Or Magnus is/was a Perpetual him self. As only Perpetual can create or kill a Perpetual. Who knows.

[@40KTheories]

It's admittedly inconsistent in regards as to what truly kill a perpetual. It's also worth noting that Magnus at this time was "incomplete" so technically not as powerful as he was prior to the Burning of Prospero.

[@derrickallen8138]

So kind of like Highlander?

[@40KTheories]

Kind of, yeah.

[@derrickallen8138]

@@40KTheories makes sense seeing as how the Emperor was result of mass suicidal ritual of all the shamans of ancient earth. There cane be only one!

[@yojon4905]

Malcador needs an anime opening He is that badass

[@Audiotrocious]

I mean, artificial Perpetuals exist as stated in Legion (Horus Heresy novel). And I forget what source states that there are different types/scales of regeneration for Perpetuals.

[@40KTheories]

I do bring up artificial perpetuals later in the video.

[@Audiotrocious]

@@40KTheories was mostly citing the source of that. I admire your work, and was not criticizing it.

[@handsomeman-child8751]

Already know the answer but still gonna enjoy the video.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Ya know... I stopped reading Fury of Magnus after that Malcador scene because there was quite a bit of reading left and I was like "pfft, this ain't canon". Guess I should pick that one up, again.

[@rustkarl]

Perhaps he was like a proto-perpetual? Sort of like how a pariah or psyker can have varying degrees of power and intensity, one can have varying degrees of perpetuality or an imperfect attempt at making a perpetual. With characters like The Emperor or Vulkan being on the higher end of this scale and characters like Pius being on the lower end which may be the reason why he aged albeit slowly and could be destroyed/killed if enough psychic power was leveled at him. The experiments on making a new Webway could have aged him prematurely as well, too much warp malarkey could have adverse effects on one’s health if they’re doing something as big as that. This is just speculation but this is best I can figure.

[@emetanti]

There supposedly are tiers of perpetuals in the sense of them able to range from someone normal but basically immortal like Ollanius Pius to a demigod like the Emperor.

[@walterTbaggins]

Protip: the Emperor was always a psychic vampire just like he is now. While he was alive, the Emperor could get by just draining one powerful psyker at a time (which were easy to find on pre-unification Terra), though after his catastrophic failure in the Horus Heresy he now needs thousands every day. With Malcador being a perpetual and a fellow terrible person they probably struck a deal - Malcador allows the Emperor to leech him and in return is allowed free reign to do the awful things he does.

[@40KTheories]

That is an interesting idea

[@walterTbaggins]

@@40KTheories lol don't mind me, just pulling things out of thin air. As the Horus Heresy and Dark Imperium stuff has developed I've come to really dislike the Emperor as a character. He's been portrayed as both incredibly cruel and a total failboat (which renders his cruelty completely pointless). At this point I think it's time for them to start again. Either an "oh dear the Emperor is dead I guess Guilliman's in charge now" or a "lol jk the guy on the throne is actually the Emperor's highly autistic twin brother - the real Emperor was in a coma the whole time and he's actually not a total moron - now he's coming to clean up this mess". Either way the Emperor sucks now and has to go imo.