Was The Batman a Bad Film?

The other guy on this channel posted a review a month ago branding The Batman "a crushing disappointment" and "a complete disaster". That review proved to be... controversial. In fact, the reaction suggests Matt Reeves's film has split the fanbase right down the middle. Half love it, half hate it with a passion.
I'm LostChord, and I do most of the film content here. Given that reaction, I thought it was worth watching the film and doing a review of my own. It is, in part, a response to the other guy's, and examines the points he made. But it's also a review of the film itself, covering Robert Pattinson's performance, the depictions of Bruce Wayne and the Riddler, the physics of the batsuit, the plot, the writing, Michael Giacchino's soundtrack, and much more.
All to answer the question: Was The Batman really a disaster?
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[@LeePresson]

I think it's funny that after several attempts at building a cinematic universe, WB said "screw it, let's have like eight cinematic universes."

[@desireless4092]

The Batmobile was my favorite character in this movie. I think he played his role marvelously.

[@thebatfan4]

He even stalled it or something at the beginning of the chase scene 😂

[@JonO387]

Yeah, my broke, redneck neighbor has the same exact car in his back yard. Perfect super hero car for a billionaire...

[@vanzahn]

@@thebatfan4 I thought I was the only one that spotted old granma foot stalling the brokemobile. 🤣😂

[@dotursdottir]

While I can't call it a bad film, I didn't really care for it. There's nothing I absolutely hated, but there's nothing I loved either. As someone who has seen every Batman film countless times (even the bad ones), I have zero desire to ever see this again. I found it unexciting and forgettable.

[@tunkunrunk]

the only batman movies I ever loved are the ones with Michael Keaton

[@flyingbuffalo4445]

I agree. It did a lot right in its first hour, didn't do much at all in the second, and the third kind of undermined anything I actually liked about the movie. One and done for me.

[@RatCandle]

Thank you for reading my mind lol

[@dantedlane2]

Batman couldn’t figure out riddler was across the street nor can he get out of the way of bullets nor does he know Spanish which is crazy cause he grew up learning many laungages then he doesn’t fight the bad guy at the end ,this movie wasn’t Batman it was 7

[@LeSteeler]

⁠​⁠@@dantedlane2stop lying…it wasn’t obvious Riddler was across the street, he tanked the bullets bc he could, without armor he would be more stealthy but it’s only much u can do when 15 ppl are firing at u, and he literally did figure out the Spanish, Riddler did the Spanish wrong on purpose and Batman figured it out and thought Riddler didn’t make mistakes but Riddler made the mistakes on purpose

[@jdal21]

B to B- plot movie with A to A+ visuals & score, and C to F editing.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

That seems a pretty fair score, yep.

[@Raiden113]

@@TheLittlePlatoon maybe if youre mentally challenged

[@nicholaskguitar]

I think the thing that undermines the plot of the Batman as a whodunit is that, unlike in Se7en, we know who-dun-it from the very beginning and so there is no real sense of mystery, and the mystery of the Riddler's identity for me was not a working substitute for the pay-off

[@nerychristian]

Well, we knew it was the Riddler. But we didn't know who he was. And the police and Batman didn't know who the Riddler was underneath the mask, or why he was killing. I think the only mistake they made was making the Riddler go after criminals. He should have attacked more innocent people so that we don't sympathize with him.

[@damiantirado9616]

@@nerychristian no that’s not the problem, the problem is the entire script is bad. Matt Reeves clearly didn’t know what story he wanted to tell. Very messy script.

[@nerychristian]

@@damiantirado9616 I'm sure he did know what story he wanted to tell. And many people liked the movie. I wouldn't call it a messy script. Compared to the last few Marvel movies, The Batman is a masterpiece.

[@damiantirado9616]

@@nerychristian bro marvel movies have always been the same. Dumb fun. The Batman was a movie that took itself too seriously even tho the plot was stupid and the script badly written.

[@nerychristian]

@@damiantirado9616 That's your opinion. Many people thought the movie was really good. It's all subjective.

[@Tahulrik]

There were definitely good things about the movie, some in my opinion outright awesome. I loved the dark feel and tone, and that this batman is more of a detective rather than the classic action superheroes we have had by far the most of. The first fight he has he is introduced as someone absolutely terrifying to criminals, and play much more off that, than straight out brawling... And then straight into the bad or outright terrible parts.. Too many occasions where the batman does not play on fear , but runs straight into a gunfight in a nightclub etc. And beats up people with his fists. The ending as mentioned was also a total shit show and badly hurts the entirety of the film. I'll give it a verdict of "meh, but it was decent, and i was mostly entertained at least"

[@Frank_West]

I agree with most of these points, but while plot armor can be done right, I feel like, plot armor or not, Batman takes to many hit in this film. So much so, that it can often not feel like Batman in the first place. Batman is, more often than not, a stealthy hero. Its kind of the point to his whole character. He's not Superman or Wonder Woman, he's just human, so to make up for that he often tries to avoid fist fights entirely or risk getting shot. And when he does get into fights, the goal is to not take damage at all. He has a long night ahead of him, it'd suck to have to feel the punch of the first guy for all of it. Batman, in a fight, is about swift and effective takedowns. No time wasted. No energy squandered. A good example of this is in the Arkham games. Batman's first approach is about staying high or staying low, but most of all, staying unseen. His armor, in those games, can take a hit, but just because it can, doesn't mean he should risk it and, after all, it won't hold up forever. Batman in the Arkham games, like any normal human being, tries his best to avoid getting shot, with or without armor. He only fights when he has to and when he does, he's quick and calculated. He aims for joint and tries to break bones, cause its effective. He's often surrounded and its important to take the first guy down as quickly as possible as to move onto the next before getting overrun. And again, even in a fight, Batman tries to take the guns away from the criminals before they shoot him, instead of waiting until after they open fire to then punch them in the face. I liked the film, and while I can admit it failed at Bruce Wayne, Catwoman wasn't needed and the Riddler was all over the road, I also believe it failed at capturing Batman.

[@brentarellano46]

Arkham Bruce is prime Bruce. This is year 2 Bruce, pissed off and young. So yes he should be reckless with how he fights and get hit. Because he's being stupid and makes mistakes.

[@nerychristian]

I agree with you. It would have been nice to see more scenes where Batman uses the shadows to sneek into places. The only time they use the shadows is in the beginning of the film. I would have like to have seen Batman sneek into a building while collecting clues. Or maybe use the darkness to take out someone with a batarang.

[@Frank_West]

@@nerychristian Oh ya, I would've loved to see a batarang. Now that you mention it, he hardly used any gadgets in this film. Another misstep if you ask me.

[@iamedmund1374]

@@brentarellano46 arkham originsvwas year 2 as well

[@brentarellano46]

@@iamedmund1374 I'm awares, and in that he's pissed off, makes mistakes, doesn't know everything, and charges in all the time unless the player wants to go stealth. But the cinematics themselves he charges in. He even yells at alfred. Something prime Bruce never would do.

[@Acolyte47]

I agree with your review and would like to add my 2 cents on the ending. The real problem that I have with the ending is that it seems to invalidate all the investment of the previous acts. The riddler seems to change character and the film ends on a note suggesting that what batman was doing, stopping criminals and investigating the murders and chasing the truth, was misguided and immature and helping people directly is what he should have been doing all along, which kind of destroys the point of watching the film to begin with, a point that is exacerbated by its long runtime.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

Isn't that the same argument that 'progressives' have been making the last few years in media? Saying that if really wanted to help Gotham he would just give his money to the poor and stop being Batman? Isn't that even used in the most current "White Knight" run? There seem to be people who think that just throwing money at people will stop all crime which is just a childish view of the world.

[@RajMGandhi]

Yep. Let's just destroy the city for no reason so that Batman can become Jesus

[@liquidocelot4885]

When you hear a riddler goon say that "he's vengeance" on top of the catwalk batman looks at him and you can see the gears turning in his head that he's been misguided. He isn't like them this is him coming to that realization. This is batman becoming what he was meant to be. Gothams savior. That is bigger than his personal vendetta. I don't agree that it destroyed the first 2 acts.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@liquidocelot4885 But Batman IS vengence. That's why the movie is so freaking stupid. It's trying to redefine Batman into something that he's not. Batman is not hope, that's Superman. When anyone tries to do a Superman movie that darkens him, even a shade, everyone is out for blood but this movie tries to make Batman hopeful and the masses lap it up like it's milk and honey. What the hell? This is the kind of thing that is making me, less and less, interested in DC movies.

[@liquidocelot4885]

@@LibraGamesUnlimited the punisher is vengeance. Batman is justice. His unwillingness to kill and his belief in attempting to rehabilitate keep him from being like that goon on the catwalk. He realizes this in that moment. Before it was about his self indulgent thirst for vengeance and to honor his parents. But it's bigger than that. He's bigger than that. It's not necessarily about hope because that's definitely supermans thing I agree with you there. On a more practical level, having public opinion on your side helps and the scenes at the very end show this. He got the child and the mayor out of the rubble in the water along with who was behind them. Paramedics, cops and city officials all watched him carry the little girl to the helicopter. The girl after being strapped into the stretcher still held on to Batman before being air lifted. These are powerful visuals for everyone there. For the record, I like the movie but don't love it. Hopefully I don't give off the impression of championing the film. Just a Batman fan for years.

[@joeglascock9238]

I would argue the score is quite derivative being that it seems composed entirely of Nirvana's "Something in the Way."

[@Scifogon]

Not entirely. Batman's theme is just almost a copy-paste of Chopin's Funeral March.

[@NewYorkFloridaMan]

Yeah. I thought I was the only one who noticed that they played the same song 40 times in one movie.

[@Scifogon]

@@NewYorkFloridaMan The song or the theme? The song only played two times while the theme, yeah pretty much 40 times.

[@nerychristian]

I think the soundtrack is beautiful. It's what it should be. Music that compliments the movie, but doesn't overpower it. I don't like movies with "blockbuster" sounding soundtrack. I prefer my melodies to be more subtle.

[@xrphoenix7194]

@@NewYorkFloridaMan pretty sure it was twice

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Catwoman came off as disappointingly shallow, especially regarding her relationship with Batman. Penguin was alright, but not very interesting.. same for Riddler. Turturra's Falcone probably goes down as the most compelling villain

[@sharan9993]

yea i loved his calculative charismatic demeanour

[@yourbeautifulskinn]

i agree with this

[@Largentina.]

That spelling of that last name though lol.

[@JesusChristsDick]

Seeing so many people give Colin Farrell credit for his "good acting" because they "didn't even know it was him" really makes me feel for the spfx makeup team

[@MALICEM12]

I found riddler interesting but they definitely used him for a "le 4chan racist" strawman

[@kribby6730]

I disagree with the assessment of the third act as from a story perspective, your conclusion is very sound, I think the more pressing idea and the one intended was a character perspective. It's Batman's shift from being a character who is doing everything because of a sense of anger, hatred, and vengeance into one that is doing what he does for the good of the people. The entire movie Bruce had been disregarding people, not caring about deaths, and focusing only on taking the next criminal down and when he hears the line that the Riddler goon says which parallels his first onscreen line in the movie it makes him see that if he doesn't care about people then he is no different than those he fights.

[@tiaaaron3278]

There is not a single sound argument in this video.

[@trashboat5388]

@@tiaaaron3278 just a bunch of brainlets that look at things at face value instead of reading into the themes and subtexts of the film.

[@kreyrfer8293]

@@tiaaaron3278 true

[@drzerogi]

Yeah, yeah, we get the character development. It still doesn't detract from how the bomb plan is terribly out-of-character for this version of the Ridder, terribly contrived and jarringly over-dramatic in its execution, and terribly derivative: how many Gotham-at-the-brink-of-destruction Batman movie 3rd acts are we going to get until they try something new?

[@kribby6730]

@@drzerogi Sure, I totally agree. However, you also can't ignore the character perspective of that act. They already described the plot problems with this act in the video, I felt no need to parrot their argument. I only added that they didn't talk about what this act also did very well. I'm confused about how you didn't get this, I even stated in my original comment that the assessment shown in the video was "very sound". I'm a person that doesn't care as much about the overall plot of a story and really only cares about the characterization of the characters in it. That's not to say plot is not important, just that I care more about characterization.

[@-MrFozzy-]

I’m assuming that the composer of The Batman, is also the composer of doctor strange. When Strange gets his cloak and levitates for the first time the score is Emersion breakingly similar to 2009 Star treks main theme. Also the fact that Bruce and Alfred don’t have a relationship throughout the film I always thought was the point. When Alfred gets hurt it forces Bruce to confront his feelings and gives the relationship some life, which in turn encourages Bruce to find a better way to fight the criminal element and give hope and a symbol. This is presumably 1 out of 3 films…they can build on the alred thing too

[@vissermatt1058]

i've seen this discussion point before. and i would like to counter that its been 40 years since the first Batman film, and the comics been around for decades more. many Batman fans have seen him in the cartoons. DEAR GOD WHY DID THEY FRESH START. WHY do you or anyone else give this shit film credit for degrading and lowering Batman to less, so he can just END UP WHERE HE's BEEN FOR DECADES. absolutely insane ninnies on the writing team.

[@e5141981]

This movie was ok, not the best but definitely not the worst. I honestly can do 20 years without another batman movie

[@plsdontbeahero]

Am I the only that understands Bruce Waynes character is supposed to be bland? Yes, he’s got little to no personality but that’s no accident. Bruce is entirely enveloped in the Batman persona because that’s who he truly is in his mind. At this point in time he’s younger and angrier. The Bruce Wayne persona is intentionally written “blandly” because Batman at this point in his career sees no point in it. He literally states this to Alfred in the beginning part of the movie after he returns to the cave after the death of the mayor. It’s really not a hard concept to grasp, I picked it up easily why is no talking about this

[@treenincove1726]

The movie sucked but I agree. I had no problem with Bruce Wayne's character cause I knew what they were trying to do. The BIGGEST problem to me was Robert Pattinson as Batman. IT DOESN'T WORK! Matt Reeves Batman is a limped dicked version of Batman. I don't find Robert Pattinson terrifying or cool.

[@christhegreat4519]

I highly agree with you i actually think this is one of the best batman movies ive aeen as it explores the beggining of the batman peraona and the struggle with the bruce wayne persona and its accurate to the comics aswell 😅

[@foxynie.5861]

I highly AGREE

[@treenincove1726]

@@foxynie.5861 It's a L I M P D I C K E D Batman movie. If you're going to make a hard boiled Batman film, it should be H A R D C O C K E D - THROBBING! A VEINY COCK OF A FILM!! FULLY ERECT!! Right at the edge of busting all sorts of nuts! At least 12 nuts per minute. Not this shriveled up, soft dicked, non-menacing Batman film. Foh

[@EatScrabbleGoo]

Notice the 3 instances of his cold relationship with Alfred: "you're not my father" (not exact quote), "you're not a Wayne" (cuff links), and "you lied to me" (accusation regarding Thomas Wayne). It's not a 1,2,3 presto chango either. You can see how Bruce feels no remorse for disrespecting Alfred at first by not listening to him (not his father). Then with the cuff links, he realizes he was wrong to say what he said (trying to hurt alfred), yet still does not apologize. Bruce loves Alfred all the way through of course, but it shows when Alfred almost died (Bruce is lucky Alfred did not die without him apologizing for how he acted). But even after that, he accuses Alfred of being a liar as he awakes and is happy to see him. Alfred of course, like a good father figure, loves Bruce at all times and The Batman becomes more so Bruce Wayne.

[@Swolidarity]

This was arguably the best film of the year for me so far lol I didn’t know it was facing a lot of backlash from fans

[@theonlybigmorg]

same. it is a beautiful movie in terms of tone and cinematography, the plot is a bit shaky, and the third act was unnecessary and boring. but I don't think it was overlong, I found it an absolute treat to watch for three hours, I never got bored, partially because of Dano's acting, partially because of the cinematography. the plot was good enough, and even though there are a few plot holes and some parts just don't make sense, it was a decent enough plot that overall worked really well for the film.

[@JoeJoe-nb3lt]

From what i get from those won’t don’t like it and that did share there opinion , is that it’s not enough pEw PEw too much investigation. Yeah in short they never read a Batman comic or even understand the animated series ( can’t blame them they were kids ) , in short you regular consumer who just shut off there brain with blockbuster but also those who think elaborate narrative and spandex maniac is pretentious and unholy.

[@ipman127]

It’s just morons that can’t comprehend cinema

[@JesusChristsDick]

@@JoeJoe-nb3lt Literally the opposite. If you loved this movie, you are incapable of thought. I watched it once and can cite literally dozens of plot holes and inconsistencies that fans of this movie didn’t even notice. I was laughing throughout the entire movie because the script was so obviously broken it felt like a Steven Seagal movie. Those of us who were paying attention realized how dumb it was. Everybody else liked it

[@JoeJoe-nb3lt]

@@JesusChristsDick then state those dozen plot hole instead of being snarky about it. You just another edgy contrarian nothing to see here. The underdog who is hated because he tells “THe TRuTh”. Pathetic need to feel different and unique.

[@Doctor_Odin]

In a detective noir themed Batman film shouldn’t it primarily focus on his Matches Malone persona and him establishing his black market under connections then coming across a grande plot. Making the build up to him donning a fully realized bat suit as a result the needs presented by the strangeness of the case.

[@Doctor_Odin]

@C Sorgini Why no? Know one ever tries to show him realistically establishing himself within Gotham’s underworld, they just jump to him fully established and complete with full on cosplay fetish all around. If they really wanted detective noir why not leave the camp for the climax of the film and focus more on the less then legal detective work. Which would be a good way to develop his lines in the sand, along with why Gotham needs a Bogeyman vs. a better funded police force.

[@kevinarnold8634]

That sounds like too much to fit in a movie format. It could make a good television series, or perhaps miniseries, where they would have a greater luxury of time for that story to develop. I'd certainly enjoy watching that.

[@justinrodriguez5957]

I would argue it's a good mystery film......until the ending where someone in the executive suite possibly said "But isn't this a Superhero movie? Shouldn't there be mandatory large action set piece?" Of which, someone should've went "No, this is the one hero that has the monicker of 'World's Greatest Detective' so that's not required". I will say the fact that Bruce essentially does not exist was the point. This is a Batman who is entirely consumed by the ego purposely because he believes "Bruce" to be useless. Only for him to make more headway each time he strips off more of the Batman and begins to approach the angle as Bruce.

[@insrtcowjoke]

My opinion was that it wasn't without flaws or mistakes, but that it was an interesting approach to Batman by taking a more grounded or realistic take; insofar as you *can* be grounded or realistic about superheroes. I wasn't offended by the movie and found it entertaining, which I think is sufficient for any movie.

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

What I needed in this film was to know who Bruce Wayne was, to know why he cared about doing what he did, to know why his family remotely mattered (or didn't matter) to him, anything like that. All we got in the whole three hours of runtime was that Thomas Wayne had a relationship with Falcone...but not Bruce. Thomas was a rich man whose actions could be seen in connection to the Riddler's background and motivation...but not Bruce. Batman's existence has impact on any and all of Gotham City...but not Bruce's. Any of the runtime that was wasted on Selina's shallow character (and motivation behind her one shallow line) could have shown us anything about who Bruce is. Any of the runtime wasted on Batman stood in a room staring at things while other people stood and stared at him staring at things while Gordon stared at Batman staring back at them...you get the point...could have gone into telling me why I remotely cared about any of these characters besides, unfortunately, Riddler. And if I don't see anyone I like in your story other than the villain, why should I ever root for your story's hero? This all leads me to say the runtime wasn't too long on its face, but the story did not justify its use. And to add insult to injury, it culminates a rushed ending that showed me why the film doesn't want Batman to be Batman, it wants him to be Superman, because it reframes everything he did before as being like the Punisher, inspiring people who'll find mercenaries on internet forums to blow up seawalls. For as seriously as this film touted itself, that was somehow goofier than Batman Returns. (And it also got me to stop rooting for the villain, so now I'm left rooting for no one. Thanks, writers!) As it stands...to me, the film kinda sucks. So much talent behind the camera, and even on the screen...but it was lacking in any aspect not created on set. There are ABSOLUTELY worse Batman films, I'm not putting this below either Schumacher film. But this is a world I'm already sure I don't want to see more of. And no amount of promises of the Joker (played decently by Mr. Druig Sucks himself) will persuade me there.

[@jbbrolic]

The story they wanted to tell (slow paced, lots of filler, small scale for the most part) was better suited for streaming show. 3 hours should deliver some epic stuff, this movie is a boring waste of time.

[@quidproque76]

@@jbbrolicobjectively wrong

[@TheSatisfiedPig]

​@@quidproque76objectively correct

[@kevinarnold8634]

Batman did use guns originally, back in the Golden Age of comics. Killed people too. Hung a man once with a rope from the bottom of the Batplane, with one panel showing the guy tugging at the rope around his neck and the next his hanging corpse. The Batman mellowed somewhat from his early days. As such, Snyder's Batman was somewhat of a reminder of what Batman was than a departure from him entirely.

[@Robear538]

Snyder's Batman didn't have F's left to give

[@kieraneric2549]

My biggest beef with that film was that church explosion; not only did he walk away from AN EXPLOSION TO THE FACE unscathed, but he didn’t even make an attempt to avoid it. He didn’t step back, turn away, or even cover his face. Just let the phone blow up point blank.

[@decay79]

It's one of those purely flashy explosions dont you know.. It was a horrible scene, yet another.. I am surprised the bad guy could actually breach the walls to let in the water after being unable to do any damage with a bomb like that.

[@tiaaaron3278]

He shielded his face with his arms. Did you watch the movie?

[@decay79]

@@tiaaaron3278 Haha god your fucking replies are so dumb..

[@xenith800]

Eloquent way of saying it was fairly garbage without pissing off the pitchfork carriers

[@HumanAfterAll123]

Batman has been a part of my life since my time growing up in the 90's. This movie left such little impression on me that I would much rather watch Batman and Robin for the shits and giggles than give this film another viewing.

[@DarranKern]

Based

[@seanpanker5546]

what an embarassing thing to say😂

[@nebulous6660]

Batman kills. He kills in this movie & he has killed in almost every live-action depiction. He has been killing since he first showed up in the comics. People who push the no-kill rule on a guy who breaks bones & kicks people in the head are beyond childish.

[@seanpanker5546]

you don’t read comics if you really believe that😂

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@seanpanker5546 He started off with guns in the comics. It's silly to say only one interpretation (that came later) is canon.

[@nebulous6660]

@@seanpanker5546 Look it up. It's straight from the comics. Batman has killed A LOT.

[@seanpanker5546]

@@nebulous6660 who did batman kill in this movie?

[@nebulous6660]

@@seanpanker5546 The innocent motorists who blew up & burned in their vehicles as he slowly walked away after needlessly initiating a car chase against on-coming traffic. The rest were just possible kills from raining a ceiling of broken glass down on a crowd of innocent people to smashing an unconscious teen in the face 20 times, to smashing a guy in the head with a baseball bat. All could have died during the assault or some time after due to medical complications.

[@billbob4856]

Go in expecting Batman mixed with Silence of the Lambs and it’s fine. Expecting the normal action movie Batman will probably throw you off.

[@ericb4127]

I believe it was Shakespeare who said there's only five original storylines and I believe at my age I've seen most of them and their variants.

[@VeraxMusic]

That's been proven wrong.

[@ericb4127]

@@VeraxMusic a claim without proof is just an opinion

[@Lionel212001]

I was really hyped up for this film. Thought sparkly Edward was a decent actor and he is. However, this film was an absolute drag and it's only bright spot perhaps was the cinematography. No Batman film has ever made me fall asleep and this one did! It's the screenplay, writing, near non existent character development, an inept Batman (the character just sucked), and a forgettable villain made this film a tedious chore to sit through.

[@murderycatdoll1380]

I actually liked the Movie! Just watched Yesterday. It's not as Epic as the Nolan ones, but it was actually decent. It seemed a bit rushed and i hated Catwomans Performance, but the Twilight Dude was way better as i expected.

[@Professorbubblegum]

I wish you would honesty and frankly state what you thought the point of the film was? Because your review made me think you missed it or had already decided "this is a basic super hero film so I get it" before watching it, which made you not at all get the film. I think you put the film into a box which made you miss a lot.

[@goatcastschannel]

I personally enjoyed the film. I loved how they portrayed a young batman, and I really liked the depiction of Bruce Wayne, he hasn’t learned how to be Bruce Wayne yet, he still just wants to be Batman.

[@petrus4]

The point about (in Multiple Personality Disorder terms) Batman being the host personality as opposed to an alt, is something that has gone backwards and forwards with the character for a very long time. MPD has been a particularly strong interest of mine, and based on what I have read, I would suspect that neither Bruce NOR Batman would in fact be the host personality. The ostensible reason why MPD happens in the first place, is because the host personality is subjected to sufficiently intense trauma, that defragmenting and decentralising is the only way it can psychologically survive. The child who actually saw his parents get shot, as a singular entity, either would have ceased to exist completely, or would have been pushed sufficiently far down into the subconscious, that the newly formed collective would not need to worry about being re-exposed to the memory before it was able to process it. The memory usually fragments, and different pieces are held by various alts who are generally fairly close to the age the host was when the trauma occurred. If hypothetically there is a single personality which has the entire memory and otherwise knows everything, then you can be sure that it would be VERY securely guarded. There is an element of standardisation with the personalities that form in many cases, though. Batman would likely be known internally as the Protector, and as tends to be the case with real world governments and militaries, he would have rather a lot of authority within the internal collective. "Bruce" (particularly in this film's case) is essentially the social interface; a mask which likely has very little of its' own substance, by design. Its' purpose would be to allow the other various alts to present the illusion of a monolithic personality to outsiders, while speaking to them.

[@LuxCarraway]

Please tell me you don't actually think Batman has MPD lmfao

[@DarranKern]

@@LuxCarraway I do

[@RecluseBootsy]

You're definitely onto something here. Batman is a defense mechanism, Wayne is a coping mechanism. One designed to protect, the other to convince his peers that he's "normal." All the while, there's an inner child that is wounded, scared, and isolated. Never healing, never overcoming, never truly granted closure.

[@theragingrodent__]

In regard to the Batman-Bruce dynamic, I feel like a lot can be said about the lack of a Bruce Wayne character. Batman is born in large part because Bruce's development was stunted by the trauma of his parents' deaths. He's still an angry child, putting himself back into that situation, but with the tools and skills to overpower it. It makes a lot of sense that Bruce would avoid living in the shoes of "Bruce Wayne" because that role is too painful for him. It's easier to be the unfeeling Batman, but with his character arc in the film, its possible that he'll spend more time evolving into that Bruce Wayne role. I totally agree with Dick about the suit though, I prefer a batman more reliant on skills than fantastical technology.

[@MalignMusings]

Yeah, except you can buy the suit on amazon for about $16K, then the fly suit for another $20K. It's not hard to imagine a billionaire developing this a little further...

[@mariecarie1]

I thought the same thing in response to Platoon’s critique here. It makes for an interesting change in the Bruce/Batman dualities. Rather than Bruce evolving into include Batman, Batman evolves to include Bruce.

[@joshuagiehll3737]

I actually liked that this was a Batman that saw no use for Bruce Wayne, and through the course of the movie seeing that he has a use.

[@panameadeplm]

Sometimes being the gray blob is the correct position. It really was just alright.

[@t.stephen5086]

Overlong, pretentious tosh. The film thinks it's far better than it really is. All style no substance. Monotonous linear storytelling & endless dark rooms / alleys

[@Cognito47]

Its pretty difficult not to get boastful when you have access to one of the most popular comicbook superheroes of all time. I felt for the beacon of hope, the movie was quite too dark when that is indeed a part of Batman and not all of Batman. The cinematography was great, but quality and storytelling for me was pretty predictable for the most part

[@cronin8524]

@@Cognito47 agreed! you know i think the cinematography part has became a bare minimum these days. Like the flop movies also have great cinematography .it is something that most movies do to deviate people's mind from the average substance.

[@minecraftgravityguy]

Or you know the movie is far better than your opinion of it. It has all style and even more substance. Linear storytelling is now bad? What? And it’s too dark? Ever heard of noir? Of what a city looks like during THE NIGHT?

[@killadrill]

Tf we now bashing linear storytelling lmao

[@zeeski7454]

@@minecraftgravityguy shut up, linear story telling automatically means its good story telling? Fuck off

[@Professorbubblegum]

Riddler wasn't foiled at the end. He technically won, but u completely miss out on his motives. He did not want to take down the batman.

[@billjacobs521]

Yes, he said that.

[@creategreatness8823]

You know how I know it REALLY didn't deliver? With The Dark Knight, I can watch it any day of the week. I remember getting the DVD and watching it all the time. I still get the itch every few months. With this, I actually haven't watched it once since I bought the 4K disc. I just haven't felt the drive, and yes....the difference between a 3 hour time commitment vs a 2.5 hour time commitment is a big difference maker.

[@zeeski7454]

30 minutes in run tuim doesn't make a difference, quality in movie does. Tdk can be 4 hours and I'd watch that anytime over this drip of a movie

[@kennethfocarino7075]

I watched both very recently, and I can say that The Dark Knight is almost the perfect action thriller. It thrives way more on building tension and exploding it with amazing action. It’s overall more fast-paced and watchable for me. The Batman is more of a low key vibe that you kind of live in for 3 hrs. I think the style of TDK is just more re-watchable. It’s also just simply amazing… no other movie is as re-watchable and enjoyable in my eyes. Idk if any Batman movie, or many other movies period, can surpass that quality of TDK.

[@ShootEvrythg]

On the subject of Hans Zimmer being 'an overrated composer,' Zimmer is not as much a composer as he is a producer. He usually brings other musicians in to compose music for his scores. What makes Zimmer an outstanding producer is how he innovates and tries to push beyond sounds he has already created. Yes, Zimmer repeats himself a lot (and his acolytes like Steve Jablonsky crib a lot of his stuff too, and vice-versa), but compared to someone like John Williams, whose work has mostly stagnated since Attack of the Clones, with a few exceptions here and there, Zimmer has been at the forefront of musical trends in film since his work on The Lion King. Zimmer tries new things and fuses different genres and styles. That's what makes him remarkable and sets him apart from traditional composers like Williams and Giacchino.

[@CsStoker]

I didn't personally liked it, but I'm not a fan of American superheroes so it was definitely not for me, but I freaking loved the 2000s Dark Knight trilogy, I still watch those movies from time to time they were so entertaining even as not a fan of superheroes. I wish the had followed that Robin cliffhanger from the 3rd movie

[@RandomCommentsofDoom]

At the end of the day for me, I feel like it wasn't a horrible film, but it definitely was a horrible batman movie. I did genuinely feel that there were a few things in this film where if you were to just read the scene as a sentence, no Batman fan would agree that should happen. For example. "Batman walks up to a nightclub and rings the doorbell to gain access." If you have any knowledge of this character, it feels like that sentence simply shouldn't fly. It wasn't played ironically, it wasn't played for comedy and it didn't need to happen, yet it did. Another example. "Batman revs the engine of the batmobile to intimidate criminals and stalls out the engine." Like... why would you ever write Batman doing that? What does that accomplish? I do agree that the ending was a huge factor in my dislike of this film, because, as I said in my comment of "Dick's" video, it very much cheapened everything that came before it. The movie being billed as a detective movie, laying out a bunch of clues for you to follow and then ultimately having all those clues lead absolutely nowhere only to reveal bombs in vans and dudes with guns was extremely underwhelming and just made me stop caring. I also felt like there was a lot of "The main characters are perceived as competent only because everybody around them are insanely inept." During the climax when the "dudes with guns" are shooting at people in the arena, I could only think... are none of the police capable of returning fire on these guys? Sure the shooters had a positional advantage and all, but law enforcement can't even make an attempt to retaliate? Then there's the scene where Batman dramatically... grapples onto an electrified device suspended above a pool of water and cuts the wire to fall into the water below... ((Why? Why did he do that rather than just grapple himself down? Also... apparently the electrified device suspended above water that the director clearly emphasized apparently isn't an issue at all?)) ...to "save" a bunch of civilians by leading them out of the stadium. I was left wondering what exactly he provided to them that they didn't already have? A light source? He didn't clear any rubble or carry any people out, he simply lit a flare and people followed him. Did nobody have a phone with a flashlight on it? Was literally nobody else capable of producing a light and doing the exact same thing? There was also way too much of the movie being inconsistent with logic or physics. Batman is shown being stunned by gunfire, but takes a bomb to the face and is only knocked unconscious, or crash lands into a bus at high speeds and literally walks it off. The Riddler's plan basically comes to complete fruition, yet he acts like Batman foiled his plot. A man is killed in an explosion and Batman is on scene and knocked unconscious, but Batman is not restrained, detained, demasked, or taken for medical treatment, he is brought to the police station and surrounded by cops who stare at him for hours and wait for him to wake up. The last thing, I promise, that bothered me is just how emo Bruce Wayne was. The scene with him shirtless and barefoot, spray painting clues across his dining room with angsty hair was the most cringe thing I think I've ever watched. Just why? Why is your shirt off? Where are your shoes? Comb your damn hair, and why for the love of god are you spray painting all of this across your living room when pen and paper fucking exist? It was one of the things I knew would be in the movie when I heard Pattison was going to be Batman, and I don't care what you say, I guarantee that scene wouldn't have been there if he wasn't. I can only imagine the scene written as "Batman writes down a bunch of clues about his parents death" and Pattison came on set with a shit eating grin and was like "Watch this", and "improvised" that scene to be that way. It's like, if you were to cast Jean Claude Van Damme in a film, no matter what character he's portraying, you know he's going to insist that there's a scene where he does the splits and shows off his bulge. Likewise, if you cast Robert Pattison in a film, you know you're going to get at LEAST one insanely cringe emo scene. It's probably literally in his contract. In fact, I take it back, this WAS a horrible film, not just a horrible Batman film. It wasn't just the portrayal of the titular character that bothered me, it was just bad filmmaking. There were too many inconsistencies. Too many things happened that were nonsensical just for the sake of having an unearned moment or for forcing the plot in a direction that could only happen if characters made completely illogical decisions, or if they were portrayed as absolute incompetent morons. Also, for the record, YES. I am drunk while writing this, but so be it.

[@swampfaye]

I thought it was OK, but I didn't rush back to see it and I haven't seen it again since in the theater.

[@CATDHD]

I understand preferances and you some guys might just dig slow burning detective type story of Batman who is supposed to be the world's greatest detective, and Gotham being the best itself in The Batman. But a lot of people calling it one of the best and calling it an actual great movie... The detective part really was too slow and Memories of Murder, Fincher movies come to mind and set the standart much higher than this. In the second hour Riddler absolutely vanishes, then comes out with the most boring motivation. A Zodiac and Se7en rippoff. Plus, Gordon is fucking incompetent, Alfred's character having no arc or anything interesting whatsoever. I can give credit to Pattinson's Year One Batman , him being a rookie, him having whole Bruce Wayne the billionaire persona not realized. Catwoman being woke woke me up a bit , otherwise her relationship with bats is far-stretched and awkward. Falkone is pretty neat and Penquin is very good . Those were character problems. What about themes? "Vengeance? No, I will be a symbol of Hope" kinda thing didn't fly. Plotwise , it was too long an unravelling . Again, the detective part was too much for 3 hour movie. Honestly, if it wasn't for mediocre film script and an ok Batman- is-detective script , I would have dearly enjoyed my favourite character's movie. Directing was as expected from Matt Reeves. Too pretentious prolonged shots, amazingly beautiful dark almost lovecraftian world of Gotham . And his work with actors still leaves a lot to be expected. Poor Pattinson got brewed in his Cobainesque gothic dark moody teen type of non-stop presence in all the scenes . Score is on point. Giacchino delivers creepy dark tones to already creepy city, with maybe too overusage of main themes and jumpscare motif. I am not comparing the Batman 2022 to other Batman movies simply because I have to . Different movies and , honestly, Reeves' movie would suffer greatly.

[@Professorbubblegum]

The film showed that Bruce made the suit just as he made his car. It shows that the suit is just prototype. I think u missed that part because the film didn't focus too much on it (like show a montage or a scene of him building or tinkering with his suit or car. But it didn't need to, especially if you were paying attention.

[@Shooshawali]

Did anybody else notice how much it freakin rained in this movie? I guess that was to set precedent for how important the sea wall is (was)?

[@DensilGrant]

One thing you said that doesn't fit.The riddler tried to bring down the batman.Didnt seem that way.He even said as much.Riddler thought he was helping.

[@shanenolan8252]

Yes he lost his parents and it gave him his moral centre. He hates injustice and guns . And murder. And he cares about his families legacy or his noble obligation ( pardon my French again) to protect the city he is essentially the prince of . Sound like a moral centre to me . You would think maybe for character growth or realism instead of emo , you might have him be an alcoholic or drug or promiscuous habits which is common to self medicate or distract from the pain inyil a moment of clarity ?

[@kidcourage5777]

What💀

[@robbanbobban2]

Well that's more or less what he is: a junkie. His drug of choice being Batman.

[@kidcourage5777]

@@robbanbobban2 EXACTLY

[@damiangryphon6349]

You want him to be Tony Stark? Joss Whedon's Justice League tried that and... Well, you can witness the results for yourself. Batman is a loner, he's a broken person, that's just who he is, even as Bruce Wayne he's more alike Affleck's Bruce than anyone else, Bale was a bit too over the top with the rich boy persona and Pattinson was a bit too over the top with the brooding, though if I were to have either, I'd want the latter.

[@therealdeal3866]

Fuck are you talking about "He hates guns." Batman originally CARRIED A GUN. He hates KILLING. In the 1960s he decided to stop carrying a gun because he wanted to focus on bringing criminals to JUSTICE. Read the comics before you start pontificating on the damn character.

[@HexenStar]

Dude, you could unroll a roll of toilet paper and write all this whole objective-subjective rant on it. And then roll it back. Place it conveniently at the neighborhood's gas station and perhaps someone will read it. Every movie can be dissected into fragments and each fragment evaluated on how well it is made. Everything. Dialogue, acting, action scenes of every kind, camera work, continuity, script, storyline, presentation, pacing - it all can be measured. And this one, as the iconic Joker had earlier said: "has been weighed, has been measured, and it has been found wanting".

[@fatjoe460]

Seven is such a great movie. Younger folks should check it out

[@michaelbooth2890]

I have three issues with this film. It's too long. The second ending should have been scrapped. Batman would have found the Riddler earlier if he had investigated the angle of the photos taken of the Mayor leaving the club. There was that great car chase with no pay off at the end. The Penguin waddled away free.

[@DoofusChungus]

I feel like the story doesn't get enough credit for how deep and multilayered it is. On the surface its a pretty great suspenseful "mystery", but peel it back a little and there's so many different facets to the characters that play a part in changing batman. Every single person in the movie is guided by revenge at some level. The riddler is guided by the revenge for what he perceives as him being wronged by the politicians, batman is guided by vengeance for his parents, catwoman is guided by vengeance for her mom, alfred is somewhat guided by vengeance for the waynes,Thomas Wayne was guided by revenge for his wife. All of these people guided by one thing, and at the end of the movie, when the random bad guy #32 repeats the same line that batman used with the "I'm vengeance", you can see how batman realized what was happening. That was the whole point why when catwoman went "you can stop now, you good, it's over" he just kept going. At the end, when he saves the people from drowning its the exact moment he starts doing something beyond vengeance. And then he lights up a flare, signifying him stepping out of the darkness (as he's said at the start he uses as a tool) and entering the light. Another thing is when catwoman says the line about white privileged males and all that, people got all up in arms, and I'd maybe understand that if it wasn't used in such a clever way. First if all, it doesn't come out of nowhere, she's a modern black woman living in a big urban area, of course she's going to use those kinds of buzzwords. But the irony is that she's saying that stuff to the exact kind of person she's talking about. Gordon shows him that there is good in an otherwise completely corrupt legal system. Catwoman shows him that there is good in the otherwise crime ridden and corrupt peasants and plebs on the street level. The black lady that's running for mayor shows him that there's good in an otherwise corrupt political system. Also, the part where, as batman, he goes to the iceberg lounge with complete confidence and fights his way through, but later on in the movie, he goes back, but as bruce Wayne, and this time he's avoiding eye contact, speaks very soft, like he's not comfortable. It's showing that he's very comfortable and confident as batman, but as bruce Wayne, it's almost like he's trying to portray a character. Almost as if bruce Wayne is the mask, and batman is he, himself. Now this could be only me, since there is nothing I love more in writing than deeper meanings and multifaceted scripts, but still, this movie is at the very least, good. In conclusion, 4/10 he didn't say "WHERE ARE THEY!?!?"

[@DarranKern]

The story is by far the worst part of this film. Its pure trash

[@DoofusChungus]

@@DarranKern How?

[@DarranKern]

@@DoofusChungus the simplest way to put it is that the screenplay is two and a half scripts smashed into one. It’s almost three hours long and yet the entire detective plot is childishly rushed. Because its not one plot but THREE. This film has more false endings than return of the king. For all the many parts of this movie I strongly dislike, the script itself is, by a million miles, the worst offender

[@DoofusChungus]

@@DarranKern Yet everything has a payoff. And the false endings work because that's what you're expecting, after he beats the riddlers goons, that's where it would've ended, that's where "vengeance" was done, but after that, like I've said before, he chooses to fight for something more, for hope. Any specific examples that you didn't like? Because the script, imo was pretty good, as I detailed in my original post.

[@DarranKern]

@@DoofusChungus literally everything you just said “works” absolutely does not work. Muh “subverted expectations” excuse is some Rian Johnson tier, pseudo intellectual thinking. Especially with the “we added thirty minutes with a tacked on terrorist plot, you know, for hope” even though it’s pointless to the rest of the film. This film does *not* have any themes. Its utterly incoherent. The “did Thomas Wayne murder someone?” Plot was stupid. The falcone plot was the only one that made any sense. The riddler being a thinly veiled allegory for “muh right wing chuds, muh internet nazis, muh unhinged incels” was quite frankly disgusting. Either they’re dysfunctional whackjobs or they’re competent, elite terrorists. You cannot have both. This movie sucked at least 70% of the runtime because of these problems and more. If this film focused on one plot, instead of spreading itself like incompetent slime across at *least* three plots, it would be much better, Instead, it’s obviously been written, rewritten, and re-re-re-re-rewritten at least ten times by at least ten of the talentless hacks at warner brothers, and it totally shows. This is easily the second worst Batman film ever made and its a dumpsterfire. I could write dissertations on every flaw of this mess

[@warrentalbot329]

And the fact he overall lost clinging to a shred of a city sets up a future vulnerability and overall loss which would be more true to life

[@frankowalker4662]

Not being a comic book fan, but enjoying (some) comic book to film adaptations, I got sick of the re-invention fad that took over the world a few years ago. I.E. Superman, Spiderman and worst of all the numerous Batman films. But as I see it, Bruce Wayne is a Millionaire/Multi-Millionaire/Billionaire, (depending on which iteration you watch), Man-about-town buisiness man who also runs/owns hospitals for the poor and orphanages, (Adam West and Michael Keaton both showed this side of him), being an orphan himself he can empathize with them. From what I can see, they don't even touch on this.

[@ice.man95]

That’s the point? The entire point is that Bruce is so set on being batman that he forgets his core values. Don’t blame a movie just because you don’t understand.

[@frankowalker4662]

@@ice.man95 The reason he became Batman is because of his core values. To protect the down trodden and those who can't defend themselves, and rid his beloved Gothem City of crime and corruption.

[@ice.man95]

@@frankowalker4662 Yes but this bruce is filled with wanting vengeance. Literally his ENTIRE arc in this movie is him going from vengeance to hope.

[@wolflordbradley7353]

@@ice.man95 It was done terribly. Batman begins tells a better vengeance story.

[@fivegangster4602]

@@wolflordbradley7353 in Batman begins it’s almost like he has been Batman for a few years and makes basically no mistakes. According to the comics Batman made many mistakes in his first two years. But i will agree that he is more reckless in this movie in comparison to the comics.

[@Dravianpn02]

Catwoman's costume in this was terrible. I literally could not stop making fun of her mask the entire time. Also her taking on Bruce was a tad laughable lol. At least he wasn't insulted for being a man. It was close though.

[@RebeccaGold]

Bloody ell' that review was long as The Batman, LOL! You got my take on it when I was on the Brown channel. Well done, Lord! :-)

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Thanks! Perils of being a fast writer, unfortunately- it tends to produce long scripts!

[@MrBrownAlliance]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Praise the L'rd!

[@TheChadTI]

23:46 This, this THIS. A better ending would have been the Arkham confrontation. Yes, it kills all that came before it and killed it for me.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Okay but why?

[@petrus4]

Another point to add about Hans Zimmer; He's A Pirate is outstanding, but I didn't truly begin to appreciate it until other people started covering it, sometimes with completely different instruments. Zimmer's instrument choice unfortunately seems a bit limited, and is mostly restricted to instruments that can only produce lower or deeper notes. I think that is what causes everything he writes to come out sounding growly or gravelly in his own renditions, whereas when other people cover it with different things, it's easier to hear the level of variety that actually is there.

[@guyonyoutube501]

It kinda came and went without much fanfare. I didn't see many people talking about it, neither positively nor negatively. One year later, it's like it never existed.

[@linguistxx]

I should preface this by saying that most of what I know about Batman came from growing up with the animated series rather than the comics. I enjoyed the detective aspect of the film. He's supposed to be the world's best detective and that's never really come through in the films. Not that he was the "best" in this, but it was nice to see the shift in focus. And I thought that esthetically, they nailed the film's look. Regarding the ending, I wholeheartedly agree that it was a misstep, but what bugged me most about it was how visible it made Batman at the end. Superman is visible, Spider-Man is visible (pardon the hybrid universe reference), but Batman is supposed to be largely unseen, acting from the shadows. Apart from being a key part of his persona, it's also easier to suspend the disbelief that no one ever recognizes him when no one really ever gets that good of a look at him. But at the end of the film he spends who-knows-how much time helping the wounded, and he's seen in daylight, albeit only dawn. That was a bit of a stretch for me, even if Bruce is less of a public figure in this iteration than he has been in others.

[@vissermatt1058]

yeah, good observation. the last 30 minutes of the film were such a disaster I hadn't even thought of that. Batman is relatively KNOWN to exist in that criminals get stopped, in that Gordon puts up the bat signal.... but to just have him standing out in the open infront of everyone is an odd move, and as some other video people have been denouncing recently. cameras exist. if your film is set in a time period where they are used and readily available, you have to account for them. Batman in the dark versus out in the open in daylight are the difference between a camera crew getting a blur and having his fucking face in every newspaper after every weirdly solved crime

[@onlyonewhyphy]

They leaned heavy into the Detective side and only really threw out the full Super Hero stuff for the end. I didn't mind that and there was enough action throughout to keep that itch scratched. Even Shovel Face managed to do a good younger Batman

[@natasharostova6067]

I straight up forgot this film existed😬

[@Natej3ds]

I forgot about it till this video, and it has once again reminded me how much I didn't like it.

[@creedecriswell634]

@@Natej3ds You are an idiot.

[@alfalldoot6715]

​@@Natej3ds Patrick Bateman pfp, damn you're a loser.

[@scotscottscottt]

Calling The Dark Knight Rises an "objectively piss poor film" without a hint of irony is either virtuoso-level trolling or else utterly ignorant. Either way I'm literally LOLing right now.

[@bluicarys732]

Somewhere in the middle. It did take two attempts to make it through, there is a substantial amount of filler for a movie that they felt was 3 hours worth of plot.

[@lightningmonky7674]

If you're not a fan of that nirvana track the soundtrack gets old REAL fast

[@TheTrueNarthumpulous]

Lots of good ideas and good design choices that were squandered by a meandering script that was further compromised by trying to appeal to teenage girls.

[@machbass]

Just felt like Batman could be taken out of the story and nothing would change. Am I alone on this?

[@kidcourage5777]

How?

[@xrphoenix7194]

Yes you are. Absurd claim

[@creedecriswell634]

Absolutely astounding how clueless you are.

[@nunovicentemello2393]

The bat suit being plot armour is not so smart an argument, in my opinion. Like you said, we see he feels the bullets hit, but why can he take crashing into a large vehicle? Because the armour is very durable. bullet proof, therefore protects from impacts, and on top of that he had his built in flight suit, so the fall and velocity were controlled and reduced in comparison to simply falling off a building and crashing into a vehicle. The vehicle was going in the same direction as Batman, which also reduces the shock. And lastly, the strength of a bullet lies in a lot of force being focused in a small area with an aerodynamic and penetrative tip, while the vehicle was a flat, large surface that distributed the shock across a large area. Now, he does bounce off a few times, but when doing so, the velocity is massively reduced as he travels from one object and direction to the next. Lastly, as he finally goes forward and on to the ground, he is going forward in the same direction as the ground, sliding and rolling, which softens the fall a lot. One technique to fall distances without taking much damage is by rolling as you land, this is a skill you gotta learn in the army and useful in a lot of sports. Some people have survived falling off a plane, skydiving and having malfunctioning parachutes and still being alive after hitting the ground. He even limps away, if that makes you feel better. I wanna say that "Why does he feel the bullets but walks away from hitting that bus?" is only an obvious question if you don't really know what you're talking about, because I feel that was totally survivable, buuuut at the same time I am pretty sure he hit his head pretty bad and that should at least have caused him to be on the ground for a bit longer, if not knocked some of his teeth and maybe nose (although his nose piece is probably armoured too) out of place. For me, the biggest offence was the explosion, how stupid can he be to stand there and stare knowing it was about to go off... and also keep in mind his mouth and eyes were exposed and facing the fire. Perhaps it was so fast that it could not burn him. I remember him having a bunch of scars, so his physical suffering is shown, to an extent, but some blood here and there would have been nice.

[@Jared_Wignall]

The Batman is a fine film, but it’s not the best Batman film. I still think The Dark Knight Trilogy is the best and Christian Bale is the best Bruce Wayne/Batman. I also legit love The Dark Knight Rises the best of the trilogy, especially since I saw the previous two films in the theater just before seeing the midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and I don’t see the various problems people have with it, perhaps seeing them all back to back helped me see the story so clearly, but that’s another thing all together. I think a big problem that stops The Batman from being above fine for me is the writing. A big thing is Bruce Wayne barely acts like Bruce Wayne. We see a glimpse of the real Bruce Wayne in a couple of scenes with Alfred, which primary take place when Alfred’s in the hospital, but for the most part he’s practically Batman all the time but without putting the voice on. I know Bale has received criticism for his Batman voice, but in the last two films they put an effect on his voice that made it more dark as he couldn’t naturally make his Batman voice darker without losing it as he did for Batman Begins, though that voice wasn’t as strenuous and he basically kept his bat voice the same throughout the trilogy, but altered to a degree in the last two films. Robert Pattinson did a very good job with the acting, so my critiques of the character are not his fault but the writing and likely even the direction to an extent. I think the acting is very good and the film itself is made very well, but the writing does hurt it. I’ve rewatched it since I got the 4K Blu-Ray and I still enjoy it fine, but I’m able to see even clearer as to where the writing needed improving, such as Batman solving the riddles so easily. I believe I had that thought after leaving the theater, but I guess since I did enjoy it overall I sort of excused it, but that shouldn’t have been something he aced the moment he reads or hears a riddle. He should have taken a bit longer to think what the solution was at times. It’s a well made film, a fine film, but I don’t give it a 10/10 after seeing it in the theater and then rewatching the film.

[@prince_nocturne]

I'm another that's somewhere in the middle on this one. The movie wasn't bad. I liked quite a bit of it... when it got around to do it. It's filmed well, scored well (if not memorable), and overall acted well... though I think it is paced... poorly. Batman spends way too many scenes slowly. And methodically. Stepping. Forward. For. Dramatic. Effect. Once, maybe twice, is fine. But nearly every scene he's not fighting, he just meandering around like a geriatric with who just took his 8th Vicodin. But otherwise, it's good... until after the Riddler is caught. The movie should have ended there, after their little interrogation. That panic moment was probably the best scene in the movie and would have served a fantastic 'but did he know?' moment to end it. But then... then it had go and have a second climax. Like the writers suddenly remembered it's the 2020's and they didn't have a massive fight scene to end their superhero movie, and had to shoehorn in one to tick a box, thus adding 40 minutes of bullshit like the world's longest mid-credits scene. This felt like two movie concepts got mashed into one, and they forgot to edit the second one down to fit. This should have been two movies. There's enough plot here to easily fill two, and you could have the second still be influenced by the first. In their desperate attempt to erase the Snider movies and reboot what could become a new cinematic universe, they actually destroyed the potential for several connected movies. How very DC of them.

[@CensorTube84]

I fell asleep 3 nights in a row trying to finish watching Batman 🥱😴

[@bruv8801]

eh short attention span

[@kamranrais8671]

It didn't have subway surfers under it​@@bruv8801

[@keiichi8191]

I thought The Batman was pretty good...up until the Riddler's capture and the enacting of his "master plan". Then the movie just completely fell apart for me, and what had up to that moment been a chilling villain turned into a screechy sobbing man-child with a touch of "the special".

[@dragonhex3832]

To me at least, I felt the main theme sounded very close to the Imperial march from star wars. Both me and my dad are nerds and noticed this almost instantly.

[@GoodTalkHQ]

I don't comment often but I do really enjoy your channel. Your one of the most well-spoken narrators on the entire platform.

[@xrphoenix7194]

1. Bruce and Batman are not seperate characters. Yes there is a persona that batman puts on that goes by the name Bruce wayne, but the motivations and person inside are still the same. All characterization given to one, is given to both. If Bruce wayne acts cocky, that is also characterization of batman as he is making the decision to act cocky in order to perpetuate a ruse, showing his priorities and motivations. If instead he decides to be a recluse and not put on a show that still characterizes Batman, but in a different way. Now it shows is priorities and motivations in a different stage. This is not a flaw in the film 2. 12:59. I disagree, it stuck in my mind, I could hum it to you 3. Bruce is actually shown with scraping and bruising after the squirrel suit scene 4. The film being "boring" is pretty subjective 5. 21:48 What exactly is your criticism here? Why is it lazy writing? 6. You're arguing that it's too much like se7en, but also you think it should've copied the heroes journey from se7en? 7. Your argument at the end about Alfred and Bruce's relationship is so contradictory its downright silly. You say that the film doesn't show interest in the relationship; no, yhe film highlights that Bruce doesn't show interest in the relationship. It isnt focused on because Bruce isn't focusing on it. Also calling "you don't know what you have until you've lost it" a trope is like calling characters feeling sad about a loved ones death a trope. These are very common ideas for all people especially when it comes to loved ones being hurt or killed. It's not a movie trope it's an almost universal phenomenon in the real world 8. When you talk about catwomans motivations being shallow and her having many contrived moments, I need elaboration and examples to agree or disagree, this is too broad. 9. You continuously say how horrifically horrible the ending is but only really talk about how the riddlers plan is illogical. Need more examples Overall, most of your criticisms are subjective (points 2, 4 and 6), too broad and require elaboration (points 5, 8, and 9) or just factually incorrect (1, 3 and 7).

[@JesusChristsDick]

Just on point 6, it had the window dressings of Se7en but not the structure, which is what made Se7en such a great film to watch. Same goes for the Zodiac. Reeves made Riddler look like the Zodiac killer, but the riddles weren’t nearly as cryptic. There’s a huge contradiction in Batman being able to solve a Zodiac-style cypher without even looking at it, but not even guessing that a rat with wings might mean bat. Reeves was only “inspired” by Se7en and Zodiac in the most superficial ways

[@spiderneil]

Agree with every word you’ve saved me the trouble of typing it myself. And can someone buy a fucking dictionary and learn what OBJECTIVE actually means and stop applying that word to SUBJECTIVE film criticism.

[@warrentalbot329]

I think what i like about this film is the riddler essentially wins and his plans happen and batman looses even though he wins the last battle ultimately this film sets him up for failure which is more true of the comics . Batman looses

[@ericvazquez2225]

The movie was pretty shit. The only reason it looks good in the eyes of so many is because films have been so mediocre lately. After seeing this i decided to watch Batman begins for the first time and was blown away. Always thought it looked cheesy af but damn, such a good fucking movie

[@TheAzulmagia]

Calling your colleague Dick just makes me imagine Robin slamming the new Batman movie because he wasn't in it.

[@guciowitomski3825]

It wasn't "Bad", but it was kinda "bad" I honestly to this day don't understand why people like it so much I went to see with with my ex-girlfriend in the theatre, as we both are big Batman fans, and honestly 80% of the runtime we were laughing our asses off. Thank god we were the only ones in there.

[@burburkang]

I feel like the argument against the armor being too high-tech could have been used for any first Batman or Ironman suit. We haven't been given more than a movie’s worth of this new Batman. By what standard is it too high-tech?

[@christophertaylor9100]

By the standard that he's not a creative, inventive technological genius who created his own armor and is just starting out?

[@seeinred]

Honestly, the initial idea was good. Aside from bad cases of movie logic, it had me, right until it reveals who and what Riddler actually is. Everything at that point is a letdown. Also, many action scene of movie just crushed my suspension of disbelief with moments of "No, human being won't survive that".

[@Professorbubblegum]

I usually agree with your take, but I think you've never read batman comics

[@billjacobs521]

Which is irrelevant.

[@Trojan24]

@@billjacobs521 The source material of an adaptation is irrelevant?

[@kieranriley1624]

Iv never really understood the complaints about Pattisons bruce, the story is set as year 2 batman, at this time bruce is still crippled with guilt and throws himself into being batman more then being bruce, he still hasnt learned how to separate the 2 personas and the movie is more about him discovering who batman needs to be, not who bruce needs to be As for the car chase scene batman definitely escilated it into a car chase when he could of delt with penguin and his goons at the warehouse but that to me leads more to his amateurish batman and not making the best decisions to limit damage or casualties, as for the civilians they could of put in a scene where batman acknowledges the damge/possible casualties he caused

[@Reiner_Miller]

The thing is, (in my opinion) "Batman" is his first identity. For him, Bruce Wayne is his alter ego. (There was a comic where Batman says his name is Batman under Lasso of Truth power)

[@dylancross1039]

Of course, people take that scene out of context and believe it to mean that Bruce can resist the lasso. He can't. He just truly believes that his true identity is Batman

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Nolan's film got that right too. Bruce Wayne IS the mask. Batman is his real identity.

[@MALICEM12]

​@@dylancross1039 yep, there are other comics that touch on this too and basically outright say that later on batman becomes his true identity and Bruce is just the alter ego. similar to Superman, he's truly the son of Krypton. but he has to pretend to be something he isn't from 9-5.

[@NostalgiNorden]

Yes but he also has to function whitin society in order to hide the Batman persona...

[@DaddyOryx]

I do believe that one of the most interesting aspects of the Batman character is the dynamic between Batman and Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne and Batman share a body, but they don't get equal shares of it. My fascination with the character is rooted in the suppression of the Bruce Wayne identity and the struggles he has in trying to keep a hold on his Bruce Wayne life. So therefore, to me, I quite like that Wayne gets little development in this film as it speaks to the imbalance of Batman's character in his early development, as this is what the film is a story of: Early Year 1 Batman when he is still struggling to find who he is.

[@ewokpants4891]

I would argue against the Batman having "no" character. He has some. Its subtle but its there which in my opinion is better. At this point there is no Bruce Wayne, he has abandoned that life so of course only Batman really exists. Bruce's absence is the key factor of Batman's character arc. He's detached from society and dedicating himself solely to vengeance disregarding the wider consequences. In his mind, his pain is all that matters because his parents were paragons of the community. He's self absorbed, rude and obsessed. By the end, he grows out of this as he confronts his dark reflection (the Riddler) - like a ghost of Christmas future deterring him from that solipsistic path. Bruce is the part of him that is concerned and mindful about the other people of Gotham - a distinction between justice and vengeance.

[@james-robertc.f.9942]

My opinion is, well, it was coloured by liking detective stories and being excited for 1. Detective Batman and 2. Pattinson playing a non-vampire, and I didn't notice the batsuit improbabilities except the bridge crash so I ended up quite liking it, though being dissapointed with the Riddler since I also enjoy him in batman media, I would've like if they incorporated elements of his costume into the movie depiction, but hey, better than Justice League. (Also the hope theme is more a superman thing, but it wasn't inheritly bad here, it just reminds me how dissapointing it is we haven't seen a real superman story on film since Christopher Reeves)

[@baronfriday989]

I liked it, but do agree that it could've been shorter.

[@MatterMadeMoot]

I like it more than all the other movies, and I concede most people of your points. The grungy atmosphere, more realistic (looking) batsuit, the chase scene, and the sound track (yes I can remember and hum many parts of it) we're my favorite parts. Do wish relations would've been more established between characters, and Riddler's plan was definitely weak come the ending. I find myself coming back to this one way more than the Dark Knight trilogy fwiw.

[@mikeshadez]

The batman has the most useless batman ever! The villian won it was very boring long plot holes logic holes everywhere lacked resolve, it was lazy generic writing and wasn't accurate to the characters at all if your bassing it on seven saw and Kurt Cobain.

[@creedecriswell634]

Wasn’t accurate to the characters. Laugh my butt off even a year later.

[@andreyzhuchkov1882]

i won't say the fanbase hates it with passion, i'd say they hate it apathetically, rather lackadaisically. It just at times lazy, dragging on and on, copying even shots and accentuated batman moments from the previous movie iteration. I would say it would be a perfect entry for a tv show on HBO max with its sluggish pace and tendency to low budget inhouse shooting style. Not that a sluggish pace and low budget inhouse is inherently a merit that qualifies an HBO show, all i'm saying that with its pace and shooting at times it resembles more a tv show rather than a feature film.

[@NeoDeXeno]

I liked the movie Pattinson was a surprise for me I liked him as Batman and realized I'm one of the people that like Batman more than Bruce cause I want punching and kicking not "Billionaire woe is me" nonsense. I didn't like the Riddler (I don't like this trend of painting the nerdy guy as the incel), Gordon was likeable enough, Selina was not necessary in this film, I loved the Muscle car version of the Batmobile and I actually liked Colin Farrell's Penguin.

[@Jacintojudio3478]

As a huge Batman fan growing up, this film made me realize there are too many grown men who deeply idolize a fictional character to the point they can’t see how mediocre & borderline useless this film was just because they have love for a character.

[@TheSatisfiedPig]

Agreed. I watched this movie twice and couldn't bring myself to enjoy it either time. I got excited when they said it would focus more on the detective side of Batman, but I didn't feel like it did in any meaningful way. I love the animated series and like 2/3rds of the Nolan trilogy. I dunno if "unnecessary" is the right word, but it definitely felt purposeless to me.

[@mathEspinoza916]

I agree. This was definetly the case

[@Jacintojudio3478]

@@TheSatisfiedPig couldn’t have said it better. I’ve tried to get myself to like it but I felt like it was oversold and underwhelming. Hopefully, the sequel will give us what we want.

[@Rengokuo4o6]

Damn, they liked the film and you didn't therefore they must be overgrown babies.

[@Jacintojudio3478]

@@Rengokuo4o6 indubitably

[@VideoHostSite]

The movie sucked, but I didn't full-on hate it until the obligatory "Rich White Men Are All Evil" scene. I'm so tired of this kind a crap being forced into every movie. Then, there was the same kind of idiocy we saw in "Kickass", where they try to tell us that this is a "realistic" superhero movie, then proceed to have people shaking off shotgun blasts to the chest, and 60lb girls beating up 220lb men.

[@billyboleson2830]

The comic of kick ass is good the movie sucks tho. Anyway the Batman is still better then fatfleck at least

[@sharoonaftab8894]

It indeed does suck. It only has some good cinematic shots going on for it but that's about it.

[@lukeluxe5720]

How are u a real person. Y’all are retarded asf the movie was amazing

[@kamikazehound3243]

The issue with the movie to me is it combined elements of the movies Batman Hush and batman long Halloween part 2 which ended in overall a story that feels like an empty parody of them. They did the same thing with Batman V Superman combining the death of Superman story with Batman the Dark Knight Returns. The ending will feel out of place because it's based on a time when Batman and Catwoman had known each other for years and became a couple, even started living together.

[@kamikazehound3243]

@Chandler Burse in the Hush they separated because batman wanted to save Hush, the riddler in this movie is based off of Hush. Without giving any spoilers to Batman Hush there is going to be a similar event to what happened when Jason Todd came back to life after the Joker killed him, that situation is going to split them, there is also some other things that cause them to split but point is when they did they already had years of history. This movie lacked showing those intimate moments build so in comes off empty. Even in the other live actions they interacted as Bruce and Selena before he told her he was batman. The movie didn't give us those moments just then meeting about three times briefly but in the Christian Bale batman we see those moments as well in George Cooney Batman Returns. When they were having sex she realized he was Batman after she saw the scars on his body she gave him when they were fighting while in the Dark Night Rises they meet as civilians and when in costume he is trying to convince how good of a person she is.

[@michaelhawkins7389]

The Dark Knight Rises isn't a "piss poor film" as you called it, if it was so many people would have hated that film ... The Dark knight films by Christopher Nolan are consider to be the best Batman films ever ,made , Dark Knight rises was highly praised by fans and critics at the end of the day it comes down to personal opinion.. and NOT fact.

[@hankkingsley9183]

The film's big gaping hole is lack of character development. It's almost entirely absent. It doesn't build characters, doesn't bother explaining who characters are to the audience. This makes it a poor film, by any measure. It means the screenwriters were incapable of doing their jobs. Another clue pointing to the same conclusion of poor screenwriting... the writers made no effort to come up with riddles that were difficult to solve. The Riddler should be presenting mind-warping riddles that would challenge a character like Sherlock Holmes, and that would require both The Batman and Arthur's combined intellect to solve.

[@WhatisReal11]

Did you face the movie screen when watching the film?

[@LegionHimself]

I hate this film. It has ambitions of being enormous and sprawling, but feels tiny in every aspect. They keep going back to the same club, and all the action feels confined in small boxes, and the shallow lens depth makes it all look like miniatures, and the plot itself teases some huge dark secret that ends up being what we all knew all along - that Gotham is corrupt. Everything is small, everything is myopic. Why bother?

[@LegionHimself]

@@darthkai8242 You could make a good and exciting Batman film. Keep it gritty but tackle the weird side of the setting - adapt the Court of Owls for instance.

[@ScottAT]

It is only a bad film to people who want crash bang boom in every scene. For people who want to see the worlds greatest detective actually be a detective and have plot twists and surprises it was a good movie.

[@christaylor7916]

False. I and many others weren't interested in seeing action every two seconds but we still did not enjoy the movie. It was bad

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

I will say, rthat just for once I would like something from the actual mainstream comics not some director's IDEA of who the character is, or writing that seems to be ashamed of the character's source material and thus change everything to make it 'good' to them. If they really feel like the source material is so bad, they really shoudln't be in charge of Batman (or any other comic book character), If you don't like comics, if you think they and the characters are silly, then go and do something else.

[@jeromewagschal9485]

Best comment I have read in a long time...

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@jeromewagschal9485 I just don't know why they keep hiring these directors. Are there no directors who grew up reading and loving comics and want to adapt them properly? Anyone who is not Kevin Smith?

[@jeromewagschal9485]

@@LibraGamesUnlimited Oh yeah...There must be quite a few comic-book loving movie directors out there I'm sure... But most of the time whoever's in charge of DC movies always seems to make the wrong choices... At the end of the day I see these movie directors ( ? ) like people who think they are true "artistes" and they want to show the world their "vision" of what the classic superheroes should be... Well...These classic superheroes have been around for a very long time and we don't need the movie director's vision to spoil everything... At the end of the day we really don't give a fuck what the movie director's vision is all about... Right off the bat ( no pun intended ) I can think of many examples... Comic books and superheroes are something very unique and only a true comic book fan could do the characters justice...

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@Chandler Burse I never said I wanted them copy any story word for word. However, when you have a director talkng about pulling inspiration from this movie or that movie and only mention non contiunity comics (as the movie seems to pull mostly from Earth One) it doesn't inspire confienc

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@Chandler Burse I never said I wanted them to copy anything word for word. However, when you have the director talking about being inspired by other movies (that have nothing to do with the subject matter). Then the only comics they mention are out-of-continuity ones (most of the movie seems to draw from Earth One) it is not a confedence builder. There is nothing wrong with drawing influence from the everyday issues of Batman or Detective that come out every month.

[@coritrottman9699]

The fact this movie only has one impressive fight scene in a 3 hour runtime is enough for me to despise it