Prey - It's Actually Not That Good

Prey has quickly been hailed as one of the (and by some people the) best Predator film. Even people with reliable taste, like MauLer and the Critical Drinker, have found nice things to say about it. But does it really deserve this praise?
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[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Just to clarify the bison point, as I didn’t make it especially clear in the script: I’m aware it was the vile French, not the Predator; the problem is it makes for narrative clutter given skinned animals have previously served as a device teasing a separate mystery. The point is to draw out similarities between the Predator and the French - which is a good idea - but the delivery is lacking. Also, and more generally, I don’t hate this film, and I do spend a lot of time explaining and praising what it does right. It has some excellent ideas. It’s the writing, characterisation and general delivery, especially in the second half, that really lets it down.

[@DexterGrifFTW]

One of my friends noticed that she picked up a cigar in the field of bison which I thought was a decent bit of foreshadowing without shoving it down our throats

[@tommystudmuffin]

The bison are an obvious signal of the presence of Europeans in the area. They are not killed in the same way as the other animals the Predator kills.

[@exoticcarfactsofficialchan7050]

I agree with your point about the bison and similarly understand that parallels as well as juxtapositions between the theme of "predators and prey" the hunter vs the hunted, etc are made (whether deliberately or subconsciously.) The mass , indiscriminate killing of Buffalo and it's depiction in cinema has often been seen as an allegory for the decimation and slaughter of the native, indigenous people of the Americas. This isn't "Dances with Wolves" it's a Predator prequel, so the movie probably isn't trying to dig THAT deep, but thematically I'm sure that the scene could resonate differently depending on your background and experience. Thank you for making these long form video essays, because they are great fodder for conversation 😎👍

[@phillysocialist8846]

She picked up the cigar and she noticed the bear trap at the same time she was noticing the predators marks …this is the movie showing us her discovery of both the predator and French colonists as Both being ALIEN to her Both coming into her world. Do better boy

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

@The Little Platoon It is definitely the execution that really lets this movie down. There were some pretty decent ideas in Prey, but they unfortunately mostly fizzed out. If I had the ability to change Prey, one of the biggest changes I would make is to the interaction between the French hunters and Comanche. During this period, European hunters/trappers often had decent relationships with native groups, often trading with them. These guys were isolated deep into the wilderness, and they could not afford to be antagonistic to everyone else around them. What if instead this movie portrayed these two groups as familiar with each other, not necessarily the best of friends, but friendly enough to do business with each other. Then perhaps you could have people from each side start to mysteriously disappear, and each side thinks it's the other that is responsible. This would build a lot of tension, as each side is on the verge of undermining each other, meanwhile the Predator is picking them off like confused deer. This could also be used as a decent reason why Naru's mother and brother don't want her out hunting, because they are genuinely concerned she will disappear as well. Then both groups could start to figure out that it's actually something else whittling away at them, and come together to try to fight it. At this point having the Predator annihilate them would be even more terrifying, particularly if you effectively demonstrated these guys are actually highly effective fighters. This could leave Naru and her brother as the last ones standing to try and defeat this thing. It would be an even more impactful sacrifice if in defeating the Predator, Naru had to directly kill her brother in the process. It would also probably have helped if the Predator actually generated significant terror in Naru. In the original film, Dutch and his team were scared witless of what they were dealing with, which is definitely understandable.

[@sarinat3101]

Here's an idea: how about a "Predator" movie where the Predator actually does what it's supposedly great at and successfully kills everyone.

[@cylon_aspect6474]

If the Predator could have chosen one movie to do so this movie should have been the one.

[@macaemeia146]

@@cylon_aspect6474 I agree

[@terryrobinson4484]

Please, I just want the predator to win its hunt for once like seriously.

[@macaemeia146]

@@terryrobinson4484 or at least have him not get killed by the protagonist like in the original takes away a bit of the fear and badassery of the predators if everybody but Arnie can kill one

[@thesumnaahh]

Creative Force Films kind of did with Bossk: Scorekeeper on KZbin

[@bowserbrowser6559]

It was absolutely insane for the movie to show us the predator bodying a brown bear in melee combat and then later struggling against humans.

[@Eluzian86]

Humans are smaller, more agile, and smarter than bears in combat, especially if they're seasoned warriors. Naru only took on the Predator after it had been severely wounded by many musket balls, spear stab wounds, multiple arrows, and she started the fight with a gun shot to the back of his head at point-blank range. The Predator may have been fighting her with a concussion, and possible weakness from the loss of blood, and slower reaction and movement ability due to muscle damage and trauma.

[@bowserbrowser6559]

@@Eluzian86 no..simply no lol its a brown bear go look some stuff up DO NOT return with more idiocy and get outa your insane bubble...it is a brown bear

[@Dravianpn02]

@@Eluzian86 watch the movie again. The film forgot he was shot in the head(should've killed him. Don't care how much you try to stretch it) and bleeding to death and treated him like he's been the whole film.

[@Dravianpn02]

@@Eluzian86 I WISH the film would've acknowledged Naru won due to the assistance of others. But her going back to the tribe in the way that she did and gaining her title the way that she did, and the entire rest of the narrative and supporting characters supporting her nonsense, the film believes she did it herself and has her character act as if she won by herself. Seriously, watch again and you'll see lol. She is a hypocrite at the end of the film. Had an ungrateful and selfish issue with her brother saving her and at making the kill that she damaged, only for her to do the exact same thing and see no issue. It's childish and obvious as hell that the writers and Disney are behind that. Disney's toxic characters have those same traits. Not a coincidence she does also and Disney was behind that film.

[@Eluzian86]

@@Dravianpn02 I would assume the Predator's skull kept the musketball from penetrating his brain, but the shockwave from the impact could still cause a concussion. The primary wound I think should have incapacitated or killed him the most was the spear through the throat from the brother. The Predators flesh would have to be durable enough to keep the musketballs from penetrating his flesh more than a couple of inches to prevent damage to internal organs, in which case the spear shouldn't have penetrated all of the way through his neck. Film makers in general seem to have a lot of trouble keeping injuries consistent with one another. It's something I have to largely turn my brain off to in order to enjoy watching most movies.

[@Nokaret]

Imagine the Predator ship landing back at their homeworld the next day. An old hunter already awaiting the party, asking: How did my boy do? After a moment of awkward silence one bursts out laughing: He shot himself in the f*cking head! 😂

[@RoddThunderheart]

Still thinking this Predator was of the "special" variety...

[@angrytheclown801]

​@@RoddThunderheart"We trained him wrong...as a joke!"

[@shok24199]

That temp lowering concoction lowered your body temp enough to trick thermals, and did it that quickly, you'd probably die of shock.

[@ThieflyChap]

That was one of the things that really confused me about the 'plot'. Wouldn't lowering your body temperature be dangerous, probably fatal?

[@plumcave9942]

@@ThieflyChap You'd 100 % be dead if thermals couldn't distinguish you're body temp from a nearby bush, unbelievably dead. And, if the flower had managed to accidentally lower you're body temp even lower while impossibly keeping you alive, it wouldn't matter as instead of a moving hot spot against the background ambient heat, you're now a moving COLD spot, and would be found instantly.

[@symmetrie_bruch]

@@plumcave9942 yep and looong before getting anywhere near that. one usually loses consciousness at around 28°C core temperature. but you don´t even need to go there since your thinking can be severely impaired already at 33°C core temperature, including halucinations and loss of balance and major disorientation. you´re basically extremely drunk and about to pass out and die. and that of course only if you survive the initial shock, which would send your heart into wild arrhythmia, potentially killing you within minutes.

[@d3v3ga]

Someone's never taken an ice bath

[@plumcave9942]

@@d3v3ga Someone doesn't know how body temperature works. You can survive in cold temperatures sure but youre body temperature needs to stay relatively hot. If youre INTERNAL body temperature was that low, which it would need to be to fool the predator, you'd die, no ifs ands or buts.

[@altdelete7252]

The plot armor in this movie is so strong that it's actively protecting the movie from any criticsm.

[@DDDRRRCCC]

FACTS

[@jfr2045]

or... it is just good, wild idea I know

[@altdelete7252]

@@jfr2045 lol-it’s so good nobody would bother question it, right? Thanks for confirming

[@jfr2045]

Yes is that good 😁

[@altdelete7252]

@@jfr2045 lol- it’s way better than the first one. So much better to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

[@MichaelRose87]

The dumbest part of the movie was when Naru realized that the Predator can't see people if their body temperature is low. So she's at the Frenchman camp giving the guy the medicine that lowers body temperature, Predator arrives, she goes to hide behind a tree and the guy tries to crawl away and then plays dead. The Predator looks around, SEES all the dead bodies, SEES the blood trail, SEES the guy who left the blood trail, stares right down at the guy, and decides he must be dead like the rest of them because he's lying on the ground and he's cold. We know this because we're SHOWN THOURGH THE PREDATORS EYES. Meanwhile, Naru looks at what the Predator is doing and comes to the conclusion that IT COULDN'T SEE HIM. When in fact he could see everything, none of the people in the camp (dead or alive) were invisible to him. Naru later takes the medicine, moves 2 inches and the Predator walks right past her. He should've seen her of course because she wasn't invisible, she was just cold, and SHE WAS STANDING UPRIGHT, not playing dead. idk, maybe he did see her just standing there pretending to be invisible, and thought "oh no!, this girl must be retarded" and just left her alone because killing retarded people is not honorable

[@TheDigitalAnts]

" killing retarded people is not honorable" that solves the dilemma for me:)))

[@phatch5444]

the pred didnt notice her because of the French men but I guess the was hard to comprehend.

[@bgcm1995]

He didn't move 2 inches, he jumped heavily and screamed and the predator instantly killed him. Not to mention the predator doesn't kill things that seem harmless or are already half killed game. And yes, the predator could see him, but it blends in with the rest of the ambiance, like an outline, if she had taken the medicine and was within a bunch of branches, it makes sense that she'll blend in, also makes sense that if the predator is exploring, he wouldn't have that much advanced tech or given it for that reason. Alot of it is being thrown out of proportion honestly.

[@TheRookie01010]

Yeah now that I think about it it doesn't make sense as to how he wasn't able to see naru. If you looked at the first movie when dutch covered himself with mud to hide his heat signature, you could still see somewhat of an outline of him when he was sitting under the tree. If Dutch would've moved the pred would've saw him regardless of being unable to detect his heat signature.

[@fourtyxl]

@@TheRookie01010 the plant lowers body temperature, the predator uses thermal vision. He can’t see her because she has no heat signature, it was setup from the very beginning when she used the flower on an injured tribesman

[@emilianosintarias7337]

I like how the French explorers, farther west than they could've been in real life at that time, are dumb and terrible at surviving and fighting. They managed to stay alive, uncaptured and freely operating on Comanche or Apache land , which would require a variety of exceptional skills - none of which they have in the film.

[@irgendeineperson5350]

you could literally make the movie about them.

[@DinggisKhaaniMagtaal]

Yeah it would have made more sense for them to be interacting with the growing Spanish empire. In fact the complete lack of Spanish presence is pretty weird especially with French excursions. The Comanches almost single handedly drove Spanish Mexico into bankruptcy.

[@HolandaChiquita]

... You should read more history. There are so many stories of insanely dumb people around this time, surviving by luck and nothing else. Also, a lot of Native American tribes were very friendly when seeing Europeans for the very first time.

[@MALICEM12]

and skinned a bunch of food but didn't....take any of the food...

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@HolandaChiquita Not the apache or comanche I'm pretty sure. They seem the type to get prickly at such things as hairy smelly french men attacking native american girls on their land.

[@blakewalker84120]

You mocked the scene where Naru learns how the predator's helmet works but you missed a glaring flaw: She is behind the tree that is being shot. She cannot know that the lasers are aimed at the tree - to her, it's just some bright red thing on the predator's head armor. From her vantage point, she cannot see the dots on the tree and cannot see that the darts are hitting the dots.she can see nothing but a glowing bit on the predator's head armor so she should learn nothing. Then the finale when she magically lines everything up based on knowledge she couldn't have seen, couldn't have learned, and couldn't have understood, was ludicrous. I predicted that she was going to grab his helmet and wrist launcher and wear the things to hunt the predator. At least that wouldn't require her to create a Rube Goldberg ending.

[@onpatrol819]

Because it makes the Predator an extremely intelligent species dumb. Like super stupid.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@onpatrol819 like humans....

[@Dravianpn02]

Because the writers write scenes from the viewers perspective and miss the most important part of writing : internal consistency between characters and the actions they directly experience.

[@QuantumCat76]

Had she pulled the helmet off with her Tomahawk on a string, and pulled it towards her, then aimed the lasers at the Predator, it wouldn't have made the Predator look as if he grew up wearing a safety helmet

[@onpatrol819]

@@caliginousmoira8565 I'd like to disagree with you.... but I can't lol

[@RottenHeretic]

The Predator becoming a complete moron the second he has any interaction with the protagonist is what bothered me the most with the movie.

[@MikeSmith-qp2vt]

He’s a new hunter. Basically on his first hunting mission. Makes perfect sense for how he was acting.

[@ryszakowy]

@@MikeSmith-qp2vt no it doesn't you do not become a hunter without becoming expert all legit material we got on predators proves that

[@RottenHeretic]

@@MikeSmith-qp2vt Really? Makes perfect sense to wrestle and backhand a bear into unconsciousness, kill like 30 people with relative easy, but NOT know how his own equipment works? Are you sure my guy?

[@BSM-vw6cf]

@@ryszakowy it's speculated to be a young blood or maybe even an unblooded hunter due it being it's first time on earth so it's nowhere near the jungle hunter or city hunter who are most likely blooded hunters. Plus the predator in this movie is from a diffrent clan and some clans are stronger or weaker than others.

[@axelramirez6201]

@@RottenHeretic its a feral predator/youngblood, like a wild beast, its not as experienced as the ones we are used to seeing in previous movies and also his first hunt

[@DelvunShadowheart]

the predator shooting himself in the head is a metaphor of the franchise.

[@Waterbug1591]

I thought The Predator 2018 already had a Predator "Killer" at the end, this one confirms it by shooting itself in the head. I'm stumped.

[@FeuerblutRM]

How do you know its male? 😂

[@karole.]

LOL 😄

[@johnnycastellanetta7183]

@@FeuerblutRM It had to be male to have accidentally offed itself in such a stupid way in a modern piece of media. Duh... 😋

[@Waterbug1591]

@@FeuerblutRM He got no tits, so he's a male.

[@blakewalker84120]

Your point about Frenchie's quick explanation of how to use his flintlock pistol is dead on. I paused the movie and asked my wife if she understood the instructions and felt like she could now load that weapon properly and she emphatically said no. And she's at least heard of guns and seen them in numerous movies, so she had some idea what gunpowder is, and what she called "bullets" though her use of that word was wrong, but she described the lead shot fairly accurately. She knew there was a rod she would have to remove but wasn't sure why. So she had a head start on Naru and didn't understand it.

[@MrJeffcoley1]

Flintlock is a particularly finicky and unreliable technology. But isn't it an interesting juxtaposition that Naru can't figure out the flintlock pistol but instantly masters laser targeting and guidance.

[@hugovonpayns9291]

​@@MrJeffcoley1 Yes, this is called the cargoeffect

[@ashscott6068]

What the HELL is with the magic flower that somehow cools people to the temperature of the environment in seconds, which those people somehow survive? How the Hell is that supposed to work? And why would that even render people invisible to the predator? Things still radiate heat at different rates, even when they're all at the same temperature. Which is lucky for the Predator, otherwise it would be walking into trees, and tripping over rocks.

[@ellenahs5911]

It is very unrealistic but in the original movie Arnold masks his body heat with just a layer of mud- mud in a steamy Central American jungle.I would have liked a deeper explanation or something more realistic but clearly watching most sci fi requires some suspension of disbelief.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@ellenahs5911 That was still much more feasible though. I live in Spain, and mud is 100% cooling no matter the temperature, not to mention that it doesn't need to cool him down completely. I think that's what people missed. It just needs to mask him. Heat is fine, so long as it doesn't stand out much from the rest of the environment. Because the Predator will still pick up the heat, but it'll be close or even to the rest of the environment, thus making him ignore it.

[@opinionatedlookinboy5555]

@@ellenahs5911 The mud...factor is not _such_ a suspension of belief as this asinine flower make-believe. The mud is an outside source that has nothing to do with the internal workings of the MC. But since the predator sees what is in front of him, then the mud covering is very plausible. Now it does take some suspension to believe Arnie covered himself from head to toe in such a short time, given he did not know about the mud's effect. But this, as Ash Scott have aptly dubbed it, "magical flower" is nonsense; medically, methodically, and plain ol' intellectually. Small example of how dumb this flower is as a plot device: Flowers get their energy from the sun...a heat source, yet this one lowers the body temperature...? ...internally!?? This requires so much suspension of belief, you better put rocks in your pockets; big rocks. Otherwise you'll meet your ceiling fan. lol

[@navajoguy8102]

Its a movie about a space travelling alien

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@navajoguy8102 waaa waaa its fiction so I don't care about internal consistency waaaa consoooom

[@BlueT1000]

Guys. She ripped one of his mandibles off, and then stabbed him with it. Oh yeah, while getting pinned by his shield. It came off like it was held on by a fridge magnet.

[@MuhammadAli-hs5mn]

Plot Armour silly

[@lolbitbot4791]

that is a fair critique, i imagine breaking the mandible would be more akin to breaking a finger then just tearing it off, but the pain from breaking its mandible shouldnt have been anything to it since it was practically unfazed by anything else. however in my personal opinion prey is one of thee best predator movies.

[@BlueT1000]

@@lolbitbot4791 How about this: She leads and coordinates the members of her tribe to lure the Predator to a place where he gets trampled to death by stampeding buffalo.

[@lolbitbot4791]

@@BlueT1000 it's a but on the nose

[@lolbitbot4791]

@@BlueT1000 and do bison even stampede? I think they could but it would be unlikely

[@redvenge709]

Having worked with thermal imagers, that plant is pure magic. No different than Khan's blood in Star Trek: Into Darkness. If your body temperature is the same as the floor, you're a corpse. Your body is a chemical furnace; if your core temperature gets to low, we call that "hypothermia" and it's medically classified as "a bad thing". If this plant can lower your body temperature to the same as your floor, and you are not dying of hypothermia, that is magic.

[@Kevinschart]

funny thing about sci fi. it's not real. you don't know how the imaginary alien tech works, so you real world experience isn't much help.

[@10secondsrule]

As opposed to the predator which is totally real and not magic right?

[@redvenge709]

@@10secondsruleThere are many problems with putting magic plants in a movie set on Earth, with the premise of advanced alien beings that can only be defeated with cunning. Putting magic plants makes the exploits of the humans less impressive, since the writers will just hand-wave or make up a magic solution to the problem, rather than showcase the ingenuity and guile of the humans. This also tends to kill any kind of tension or suspense, since the writers will just hand-wave a contrived or convenient solution to a problem they made, but are not talented enough to solve. Why should I ever be concerned about the heroine, when the writers will just give her a magic solution to the problem, when ever she needs it?

[@johnathanburton6043]

The best thing I could come up with is that the plant isn’t native to earth (ie the numerous alien species that have came to earth accidentally brought over the plant in the form of a seed/pollen) or that the human race in the predator/alien verse are built different genetically compared to in real life humans. Even if one of these theories are plausible, it would still be a stretch to assume that she had the means to precisely do that

[@skyereave9454]

Or death. I know a few plants that can lower my body temperature like that. You know...permanently.

[@nicholascosentino8492]

The idea that a person could throw a hatchet with a leather line connected to it was hilarious.

[@SlayerO013]

Like a bullet on a leash. 🤣

[@trayp324]

a thin coating of mud hides all of the heat the human body produces is hilarious too

[@angrytheclown801]

​@@trayp324That's been tested and it works. But that was against human level tech, not alien.

[@CoachD515]

And turn into prime Scorpion from Mortal Combat

[@ericsbuds]

get over here!

[@Predatorwarrior18]

I agree with a lot of your points. My biggest issue is how Naru went after the Predator for no reason other than she found it’s tracks and a skinned snake and that no one would believe her. The Predator wasn’t bothering her or her tribe so there was no reason for her to go after it. And when she did, she foolishly led her tribesmen right to it where they got butchered. Not to to mention how it was also because of her that her brother was captured and tortured by the fur traders. She never even acknowledges that any of it was her fault or learns from it. I thought the whole point of her mother lecturing her that hunting for their people is not about proving oneself but about survival was to set her up to learn this later but she never does. This whole movie from start to finish was about her wanting to prove she could hunt even at the cost of the lives of her brother and tribesmen, even if they were brainless morons and dicks, and she never goes through any kind of character development at all other than enhancing her skills. And it really annoys me how everyone keeps regarding her as an awesome action heroine and the best protagonist in the franchise when she really isn’t. She’s an entitled teenage girl who doesn’t listen to anybody from her tribe who tells her she can’t or shouldn’t do something even if what they’re telling her is sound advice.

[@faceface5922]

thats bcuz jus like everything else these days ,the movie was strictly about female empowerment, notice every male died bcuz of her and she was made a leader at the end, but she was worthless 1st her brother saved her multiple times, she got all the men killed then the dog saved her life and helped her kill the predator lol the dog was the true hero of the movie, horrible movie

[@pohjanakka4992]

@@faceface5922 That ending could be explained as "she got lucky" - she took the helmet without really understanding anything about it, and maybe put it to a tree mostly as a lure in hopes the predator might try to retrieve it, and then simply got incredibly lucky while the stupid predator managed to not notice the helmet or the whole situation and accidentally shot itself. So, really not a story about a heroic girl winning a fight against that predator than a story of the most stupid ever predator (probably their version of the village idiot) failing abysmally in its hunt.

[@kelp7060]

@@pohjanakka4992 It's both. Super girl vs retard predator, which is the real title.

[@pohjanakka4992]

@@kelp7060 :D

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

Strong independent girlboss 🤦

[@SharbtursGameCorner]

She knew how the predator's arrow gun and helmet worked more than the predator itself *Edit* i am getting alot of the "he was shot in the head so he not be thinking clearly" excuse BUT he was doing the same mistake earlier in the movie when he tried killing the dog.

[@hubertgizinski7962]

he was dumb XD or overconfident and didnt read instruction atached

[@everforward5561]

I mean, it's pretty straight forward. Arrow go where dot go.

[@booster330]

@@everforward5561 The arrows were in the mask?

[@Noctazar]

I think his weapon just shoots forward if the mask and its aiming software aren't present. When the Predator arrived at the bog to have the final fight with Naru, he had his mask already stolen from him - he arrived maskless. Naru hid the mask and made a trap out of it - it activated when Predator began to use the projectile weapon. Predator didn't mean for this to happen, it just switched to mask-aiming without him knowing. But then again, when he fights her brother and gets his mask smacked off his face, he keeps shooting. My theory is that Predators are actually the "wise but not intelligent" kind of aliens. They wield advanced technology, but they're not really -smart-. They're not very observant either - their HUD has to highlight virtually everything for them. And their technology isn't really theirs. Yautja stole it from the Amengi.

[@SeanDSarcasm]

predators cannot/can barely see without there helmets according to lore , they see in infrared through there connection to the helmet.

[@pauljeffries8529]

I think we've reached the point where so many recent/current movies are so painfully lacking in the basics of good storytelling, that when one comes out that gets it right (Maverick) or even gets it mostly right (Prey), it stands out and engages the audience that have been deprived for so long.

[@TierDvik]

Yeah this is the point and kinda where I am at. Prey is not a GREAT movie.. or a "perfect predator" movie... it was a decent movie. Lots of issues but at its core it was worth the time to watch. That said with the absolute lack of half decent films being released... I think we SHOULD praise movies made with care and reverence to its core audience even if it fails along the way in some regards.

[@derikc24]

I think you nailed that on the head... 1 hit drive nice

[@Lizards_Lounge]

Prey didn't get much right except beautiful scenery.. But I know your point.. The bar has been set so low that ppl are ACTUALLY PRAISING IT !! I wish they didn't, caus I wouldn't have watched it otherwise.. And I was PISSED after watching it ...and ppl think the last 2 destroyed the franchise. Was worse than dark fate.

[@TierDvik]

​@@Lizards_Lounge See I feel this is a little too harsh. As a film, the scenery is great... brings you into the world and feels real with a few exceptions (the burned forest was dumb), set dressings, location choices, shot composition all very well done. As a predator movie what they got right: A story of survival. Now they lost it in a major way at the end but for 90% of the movie the main character was running for dear life and ONLY survived because, rightfully so, she was not a threat and was shown to be the prey in every encounter. She learned the weakness of her enemy and used thinking to survive rather then dumb luck in most situations. This is important for a predator movie and why it did so much better then most of the other sequel stories. Where they failed is how they dealt with her interactions with the French trappers, and her ending encounter. Both of which are straight out of "modern strong woman" cinema standards very likely forced in by the studio. The other point I see is from the marketing it was made to be a "woman fighting against oppressive men" but thats not what I got out of it. She could have been a young male to young to hunt and the story would have played out exactly the same. She was not held down for being a woman, she was held down because she wasnt ready and the hunt with the lion showed she WASNT ready so she had to man up and try to be better. This is why its a flawed but decent Predator movie. The essence is there and they got the heart of it RIGHT... so I give them credit.

[@Lizards_Lounge]

@@TierDvik she aimed a weapon at it a few times before the end part. Scenery was beautiful..and costumes were not bad ..liked some of the designs for example carrying wood in that cloth thing ect.. But THATS IT. Everything else you say is a DESPERATE attempt to try like something that's rather pathetic. I thi K you overlook how she several times pointed a weapon at it. I've seen many a hero do things you have to try ignore or refrain from saying "bullshit".. This movie does that in every scene pretty much. Have you ever taken on 5 men with knives? Caus I have taken on groups of unarmed, and had a few come at me with knives...you take some damage no matter how good you are. Only person in whole hunting party who can tell it's not a bear print? Come on man. Do you really think my comment was the only criticisms? There's PLENTY more topics on than there is to defend, WAAAY more. But I point out afew RIDICULOUS things like no limp after bear traps...and ppl keep trying to overlook HOW BAD that really is.. But there's literally dozens more subtle things. It takes more than beautiful costumes and scenery to me It's literally more stupid than the last predator movie and think your all desperate to defend it.. I would LOVE to have been able to do so...it it's THAT BAD.

[@raz5]

Crazy how everyone (justly) calls Rey a merry sue but somehow it's not mentioned here, people say she outsmarted him. The scene where the predator holds her by her neck and just doesn't feel like crushing/snapping it despite 1v1ing a bear a few moments ago is her outsmarting him

[@BobHooker]

The Predator is arrogant and in a large part his arrogance gets the better of him. Kind of an interesting story, he does not respect the ability of a female native American only to be killed by her. Anyone see an interesting story here?

[@josephsalmonte4995]

@@BobHooker No. Only ridiculous bullshit

[@BobHooker]

@@josephsalmonte4995 Yes I know all other Hollywood movies get all their history totally correct because nobody will go to a Hollywood movie that plays with history.

[@haku8135]

@@BobHooker It's not her ability, it's just bullshit contrivance and plot holes. She should have been easily killed. Predators, do not underestimate. If he didn't consider her a threat, he'd leave her alone entirely. If he did, she'd be dead. The idea that a PREDATOR would consider hunting a bunch of primitive humans that don't even have gunpowder worth the effort, is just ridiculous. A real Predator would scope them out for a while, see if any of them are worth a damn, then bag them, bring them to a hunting ground, and oh wait they already made this fucking movie. A random little girl like this would have NO chance at even scratching a Predator, let alone killing one, LET ALONE killing one with its own technology she could NEVER fathom.

[@BobHooker]

@@haku8135 Wow, Hollywood made a movie that is not realistic and demands suspension of judgement. Wow. This never happened before wokeness eh?

[@electricbayonet2]

One of the weirdest things for me was the choice of ending: she returns to her tribe in triumph, carrying the Predator's head (and the translator's pistol), throws it at the feet of her elders, and smiles as she is named warchief. what First and foremost, her recklessness is to blame for no fewer than FIVE of the tribe's dead. The four hunters that went out to find her wouldn't be there if she hadn't baselessly decided that she knew better than everyone else and ran off on her own. Her brother wouldn't be dead if not for, again, a similar reason. If she had a character arc, I thought it would have involved the apparent glamor of being a hunter and warrior being just that: a glamour, or an illusion. The way she was 'training' earlier was so laughably out of touch with what you'd actually need to know as a hunter/warrior that it was comical. Pointlessly parkour-kicking off trees while chasing a rabbit? Throwing a hatchet? Making a scuffed version of Skorpion's weapon from 'Mortal Kombat'? But then, not only did this baffling non-training actually appear to work, but when faced with all the death and destruction that it took to bring down the Predator...she slices off its head, paints herself with its blood, and leaves the brother who sacrificed himself to save her to be eaten by scavengers. There was a lot of plot armor along the way, too, but I'd say the second most disappointing character was the Predator himself. He's a big, dumb monster that _constantly_ stumbles into traps and ambushes, and then survives because of a combination of insano-tech and having been buffed to the point of insanity. He's an incompetent, cowardly idiot that would have died a dozen times over if he weren't given such an insane and unreasonable amount of strength, speed, agility, and coordination. The cowardly part comes from his tech, particularly when he decides to activate his Amazon drone C4 delivery service to seek out and autonomously murder the rest of the trappers. It fell into the same category of 'haha, look! reference! u liek reference, yes?!' that the pistol was. The mines got used in previous media when shit was _serious._ AvP2's Predator used them to clear out xenomorphs in the town's sewers because he was there to _eradicate_ them and take care of any other traces of extraterrestrial stuff. And the pistol was given to Danny Glover in Predator 2 after he successfully slew a Predator in single combat, and it had a custom nameplate with both a fancy European name and a date that fell within the Golden Age of Piracy. The comics had more on it, but I could infer all I needed from the context it was given and the appearance of the gun. But I guess it belonged to some randy French trapper that happened to speak the local language, sorta-wounded a Predator, and then...well, I guess the tribe isn't long for this world, because it still ended up on a Predator ship by the 1990s.

[@zedoplantao]

Some Yautja in the comics are straight overpowered like him, just not as dumb

[@MrJeffcoley1]

If you watched the end credits the pictogram retelling of Naru's adventure ends with a Predator ship appearing in the sky over the village, to swelling ominous music. Implying that the Predator's companions returned and something really bad happened to Naru and her people. I guess the more defensible position the war chief moved her tribe to wasn't defensible enough. And we know her pistol ends up in the trophy hall on the ship in 1990 when it is given to Danny Glover in Predator 2.

[@Warlord-dc5un]

@@MrJeffcoley1 I say good, don't like undeserving victors that have zero character nor human emotion. She was essentially a robot that got waaay too much plot armor so I'm happy the plot armor didn't save her in the end.

[@user-ri5jc1rg1m]

@Druid of Scosglen Then Wolf is a bad example. He was still hanging corpses on trees and fighting Aliens hand-to-hand. He even took off all his stuff at the end to reference the first movie!

[@initialdeeznuts8614]

i regret pressing read more

[@pepsifrog420]

Aside from it being the French killing the bison in the film, the French and the Native American tribes actually had excellent relations. So good in fact, they were allied during several wars, and regularly traded furs for metal items, such as pots and so on.

[@NefariousKoel]

Plus the wholesale killing of bison herds for hides was over a century later than depicted in the movie. After seeing the implication that French trappers, largely after beaver at the time, were killing hordes of bison in 1719 it just turned into yet another modern film trying to cram as much "you see!" billboarding and generic CGI superhero action drivel into the runtime as they could. Meh.

[@pepsifrog420]

@@NefariousKoel It's a shame really. They did a fair amount right, more than most of the films after the original. But as you say, lots of innacuracies, which I find funny considering how much they hyped up the movie as 'representation for Native Americans' and so on.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

@@NefariousKoel the wholesale slaughter of bison predates colonial interaction... just look up the buffalo jump where natives (who couldnt reliably hunt fresh meat) would run entire herds off cliffs as often as physically possible. That practice continued until europeans introduced horses and gave the natives the ability to reliably hunt bison. The natives did use "as much as they possibly could" but theres a lot to a carcass that is just purely unuseable. The devastation left after a buffalo jump would actually desecrate the area for almost an entire season... and would keep other herds away from jump sites until it all decomposed.

[@cosinesinetangent7440]

@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 well never knew that, cool info

[@Zodroo_Tint]

Tell the americans the french was the bad guy and they will believe it. Germans were lucky this time they were not present there in that time.

[@noahknight4039]

This predator didn’t seem like it was looking for the strongest warrior. It looked like it was just exploring, casually hunting and then started killing people as they kept getting close and closer to it.

[@YodaOnABender]

Well that makes sense. This is its first time on earth so he’d probably wanna test himself first and have a bit of a field day with all the new prey he had

[@palasta]

@@YodaOnABender Is this explored somewhere in the movie? Or why it is a "Feral Predator", which doesn't make any sense from the lore viewpoint. It could work if it was a kind of initiation ritual or the weapons of choice. Sth. like that.

[@YodaOnABender]

@@palasta is what explored? Also it’s a “feral” predator because he comes from a different clan to the classic predator and hails from another side of their home world, hence the very different physical appearance

[@toascranill5464]

Muh man was on vacation

[@mdd4296]

The french guy suspect that the predator was trying to find worthy prey and the protag figured out he doesnt want baits

[@blakewalker84120]

I agree with you about the "If it bleeds we can kill it" line. Stealing from the better movie just reminds us that there was a better movie. If they were going to steal a Predator quote, they should have stolen one from Sonny Landham who played Billy. e.g. "There's something out there waiting for us, and it ain't no man. We're all gonna die."

[@princedaniel714]

"GET TO THE CHOPPA" 😂

[@JamesGormleyMusic]

“There’s something in those trees…”

[@kari2570]

That line makes way more sense in the first movie; as they've been attacking it with automatic weapons and from their perspective, it's invulnerable, until they find the blood. So it is a revelation of sorts. In Prey, it's not invulnerable from their perspective, just very good at hiding, so there's no reason to think they can't kill it if they manage to hit it.

[@youarelife3437]

"we're all gonna die..." and then they should all have died cuz they were pathetic in this movie😂 The director says he was always inspired by Sonny Landham's character and that that is what inspired this crap move.. Seriously could have been so much better. Could have been tons better.

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

The Predator wouldn't target defenceless civilians or children. However the Apache and Commanche in particular did.

[@hydrocooledcarrot]

"We have no reason to suspect it wasn't the predator going around killing bison" The musket ball sized hole in its head and the cigar on the ground were good reasons

[@GathClips]

Lmfao right?

[@0volts157]

Exactly. Based on Naru's reaction when she laid a flower (I think) there must be a spiritual relationship with bison.

[@nuttysquirrel8816]

Low survival intelligence is one of the reasons the Bison was almost driven to extinction. As a group of them are grazing, they would hear the gun shot and see one of their fellow bison fall dead but not react. They just keep on grazing while getting picked off one by one.

[@Programm4r]

Lol. Own that fool

[@jesuscontreras124]

I think its clear this movie is way above this guy's intelligence

[@rangorangila1306]

i had to watch multiple times when she pulls the 400 pound beast to quicksand with that thin rope. I couldn't believe how that thing just slid into the trap. It can't be that easy even for Arnold's standards.

[@JohnDoe-cz5yz]

The whole fight was ridiculous! It was akin to an armed grown man in his prime fighting a small child. And losing.

[@drlee2]

@@JohnDoe-cz5yz I just kept thinking during her 2 big fights against the Frenchmen and the Predator, if she could do all that Matrix level stuff against them and WITH an injured ankle, why couldn't she fight like that against her tribe member? She looked pretty clumsy in that first fight and took a while to take him out.

[@getwrecked674]

It's OK I have a theory he was depressed and wanted to die, I mean he chops off his own arm

[@jelanitarik7423]

@@JohnDoe-cz5yz 😂😂😂😂 Well said!!!

[@rangorangila1306]

@@getwrecked674 makes sense

[@zzodysseuszz]

The second predator was great. No idea how anyone dislikes it

[@kennethsatria6607]

Yeah that also kind of puzzles me a lot, its pretty damn solid as like a supernatural murder case and it was sick to see a Predator take to the streets of a concrete jungle for the sequel.

[@WaxTheDolphin]

@@kennethsatria6607 '"birds, those damn birds"

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

@@kennethsatria6607 It was def a good sequel. It's nothing incredible or mind blowing but a sci-fi action flick with fun characters, a vibe and added to the franchise lore.... compared to the shit now it's downright amazing LMAO.

[@Xldldoom0]

Predator 2 was, and is, a great film imo. It was always a very enjoyable, entertaining, and imo, very overlooked sequel. It’s dark and gritty, the urban theme is done brilliantly, the lead character is brilliant, side characters are good, there’s many memorable scenes - the Prince Willie alley scene, the train scene, the cemetery scene, etc., there’s a fantastic third act and final battle, there are some damn disturbing but epic kills, there’s more depth when it comes to the lore - great film.

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@Xldldoom0I agree with everything you just said.

[@TheOrangex88]

I said it on RLM’s take on this movie, if this movie came out 10 to 15 years ago it would be considered “meh” at best, but because movies have dipped in quality and writing so badly in the last 5-6 years anything that is presented to us with any coherence in a film and decent writing will be given as the “greatest thing to happen in this franchise since a slice of bread”. I was baffled Jay and Mike rated this movie so well…I guess no one is immune to the stagnant mediocrity we face with movies and shows today.

[@lwdrd]

People see cool predator killing 30 men and fighting a bear and say wow this is great and completely ignore the bullshit along the way

[@Haterator]

"If it bleeds, we can milk the franchise to death!"

[@southlondon86]

LOLLLLLL

[@NurIslam-fi3cv]

If the "feral" predator is so inexperienced that it can't really differentiate a worthy strong enemy as many of the movie supporters said, then why does it chose not to hunt Naru the first moment they met.

[@Eluzian86]

The bear was going after Naru and she wasn't winning. The Predator beat the bear, therefore she was second-handedly beaten as well, and so not a worthy opponent at the time.

[@slchance8839]

100% by the predator's experience, any human that's not French with a metal gun is pretty much holding a stick with string (bow and arrow) or a stick tied to a rock (tomahawk/axe) and he's seems just fine killing her fellow comanches in the woods. The logical predator thing to do is kill ALL the humans once he realizes they weaponize wooden sticks. Hence, no more innocent by-standers.

[@goldmoutdog19]

@@Eluzian86 which would make the predator an idiot which it isn't u don't become the most successful hunter with the most advanced tech and make dumb decisions like underestimating anyone

[@voodoomaestro4295]

I've been so frustrated with the non stop praise this movie has been getting. You noticed basically every problem I did. I feel so validated now. Thank you. 😂

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

This film is just meh empty characters and stupid plot arcs.

[@PricelessBinkey1337]

Hot Woke garbage.

[@MrJeffcoley1]

In a world where everything is a woke shitshow, a mediocre movie like Prey seems like a masterpiece.

[@cybernet343]

It features a minority character so its used as a "immune to criticism" card. Its really pathetic, especially because this movie is pretty decent. But we cant have this movie succeed by its own merit or it would undermine "the message".

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

@@cybernet343 Makes you wonder how many people actually refused to watch it because they banged the drum on "The Message".

[@NouMPSy]

After seeing her practicing with the axe on a rope earlier in the movie, where pretty much no one could pull out a lodged axe so perfectly into their hand by tugging on a rope, I realised the level of suspension of disbelief which i needed for the movie and allowed me to overlook a bunch of the plot holes and enjoy the movie

[@DanielFlores-fo1ee]

Same

[@NouMPSy]

@Diomedes ive never tried hunting deer nor parkouring, so to me that seemed within the realms of reason :D

[@hnn8759]

terrible film

[@User-kq3od]

@Oni Fr.....it was practical, its doable. Having practiced stuff like knife and axe throwing at ranges AND in forests on real trees, you absolutely can both lodge something into a tree and still easily pull it out.

[@shayla106]

@@User-kq3odKay

[@Bluecheese1400]

The predator was doing so good against bad guys, doing 180 slo mo spin after throwing a bear trap at a dude’s head but then it becomes stupid and amateur when fighting against our main character Naru. The biggest problem though is that Naru doesn’t look Native American.

[@BobHooker]

Arrogance will do that. The USA was doing so well against Italy and Germany and Japan and then a little fight in Vietnam broke out

[@Fr33domSouL]

Let me add - Predator went invisible when having a hard time against Naru's brother and BAM! instantly kill him. But he didn't bother to cloak at all when start losing against Naru??? 🤣

[@BobHooker]

@@Fr33domSouL so why did the machines not send 2 terminators back, why did the escape androids in Bladerunner not have tracking devices, why,wasn’t,the attack group in Aliens not have any backup? Why didn’t the stormtoopers fire into the trash compactor and why in braveheart is the major battle on a bridge not on a bridge and why in Inception didn’t he just bring his kids to France …..

[@Fr33domSouL]

@@BobHooker With that essay zero answer to my question y predator can't even use his basic instinct to protect himself, when he jz use it earlier on the exact same day in the same situation. I jz leave u at ur peace. - End

[@BobHooker]

@@Fr33domSouL The predator thought very little of her, like all the incels on KZbin. It seemed to be toying with her and let its arrogance get the better of it. It certaily was not the kind Predator, didn't seem to be marked and didn't know how dangerous humans could be as it never had been there before. The combination of a thousand blows by others, including the traggers and the dog, its own arrogance and its failure to think the situation out allowed her to put it into a trap. This is pretty much the same plot as the first movie all you red pill jerk off to without the homosexual undertones. In the end size or fire power does not kill a Predator, its cunning.

[@hideshisface1886]

It is basically an example of "in the kindgom of the blind, one-eyed is the king" - when we take a look at less than stellar history of Predator sequels (basically everything after Predator 2)... Prey looks like a masterpiece in comparison. My biggest problems are lack of good personality of its characters and most importantly the fact that Predator... is out of character - the bloody thing does not exactly act like a haunter most of the time, it acts like a mumbling idiot - going into traps, basically brute forcing its way into direct combat like a video game boss being like "I have enough HP to tank this shit". I mean, in the original, Predator was very strong and difficult to kill indeed, but it relied on subtle tactics until the ending - honourable duel, basically. Speaking of Predator's honour... the part with the bomb baffles me - in the original movie, it was implied, and confirmed in later lore that suicide through a bomb is basically a way for a predator to preserve honour when mortally wounded. Not to mention, the bracer that Predator in Prey discarded was shown to contain some sort of computer vital for decent portion of its equipment... Another thing is the mask - the skull mask of the new Predator is cool... but it was heavily implied in original that mask contains apparatus making it easier for Predator to breathe - it is an alien being, it is logical for it to come from a place with different air composition - open mouth design of mask in Prey therefore makes little sense... Oh... and mask was more firmly attached to the head, so it being knocked out easily by protagonist's brother also makes no sense - you know, considering it doubles as re-breather for an alien creature that tends to run a lot and jump on trees, you don't want this thing to fall of easily, yet it does in Prey. And while we are pointing lore inconsistencies - Predator's cloak was shown to not function when wet, it short circuits... Yet in Prey it has no issues working when drenched in river water and bear blood, despite this Predator's gear being more primitive than in original. It was an okay, flawed movie... but it is treated like second coming of Christ, which honestly is overhyping and overselling it horribly.

[@Lava91point0]

“Bu... but, it was a Feral predator, this was it's first time on earth, that obviously means it lacked any skills or knew how to properly use it's own technology. It's not like other predators, it's a different kind...etc” *obligatory eye roll*

[@MuhammadAli-hs5mn]

1. Predators are supposed to self destruct when they physically can't fight anymore. 2. The predators mask is more primitive than the newer one/modern day movie mask. You could see him taking off the mask without pulling the cable plug things out. 3. The only water the predator was in rivers meaning its possible it only uncloaks when that part of the body is submerged. 4. Not every predator is the same, stealthy predator. We have seen predators act differently in the past. AVP, Predators. And also considering this predator is a young blood, he will most likely be impatient considering he is well... young.

[@Lava91point0]

@@MuhammadAli-hs5mn As for number 3, remember it was soaked in the bears blood, and it still did nothing in way of effect it’s stealth functions.

[@hideshisface1886]

@@MuhammadAli-hs5mn 1. Doesn't change the fact that bracer was always one of key computers for Predator's weapons. 2. Primitive... I don't buy this explanation - considering that we are talking about advanced space-faring species that needs the damn mask to breathe well and... see well. This seems like a bunch of intentional design flaws that do not add up with advancement levels of the species. 3. Predator was almost completely drenched in bear blood in the same scene and that didn't make the cloak fail - that is plain and simple inconsistency no matter how you look at it. 4. Not every predator is the same, true - BUT unless I missed something, I don't quite recall anything in the movie suggesting that this one was any sort of youngblood. If anything - reference to Thunderbird would suggest Predator visits to be... somewhat of a regularity in the area, which could imply the same hunter as well, considering Yautja longevity.

[@MuhammadAli-hs5mn]

@@hideshisface1886 1. I agree but I'm not seeing your point here. 2. When I meant primitive I meant less sophisticated I guess, this mask has less things than the modern day mask on it. You know what I mean right?. 3. Perhaps blood it's different for blood. In the first AVP movie we saw one of the predators was cloaked and got blood on it and it didn't uncloak or anything really. 4. I say it's a youngblood due to the fact it has no trophies on it, was dropped off, and no marks suggesting it faced against a xenomorph/serpent before. I hope that clears it up.

[@Shiirow]

we all know that in the end, the Predator realized they were fighting a strong independent woman and decided to commit seppuku via the speargun.

[@arya8165]

Considering how the alien doesn't even remotely look like a member of the predator species I'm pretty sure we can count this as not canon to the rest of the predator franchine

[@overlordcrakehall1059]

He was totally dumb to be called a Predator mad i couldn't understand why they felt the need to redesign him. He just looks way way more like a 'man' - the hair looks more human and his reptilian skin texture was totally removed. And his face was so dumb looking!!

[@kelp7060]

More than happy too ^^

[@johndelye3402]

The Thunderbird is a cryptid legend shared for centuries amongst Native Americans, kind of similar to Queztcoatl to the Azteca

[@theunstablecube]

Correct, I believe the label actually fits quite well with the movie

[@johndelye3402]

I just realized I misspelled Queztalcoatl

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@johndelye3402 Yep you mispelled my name.... Don't worry I'm not going to get angry about it. You got your point of it across :P

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Well there's a difference between myself and the Thunderbird.. The thunderbird according to mythology has always been described as a giant bird or flying creature who's flapping wings could create lightning and wind. It was said it would fly at the front of storm clouds. Pretty much for all intents and purposes it was just a giant large flying bird that had the capabilities of Ghidora, without the creating hurricane ability. In my myth I'm not really a cryptid and i don't share many similarities to the Thunderbird. Being a full creation god kinda puts me higher up the food chain. Plus no one ever really found anything that shows me being a cryptid. I guess maybe you could say i might share something with the now extinct terror birds perhaps.

[@johndelye3402]

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent I first learned about you in the novelization of the Doctor Who serial The Azteca and later on you were referenced in a mutual favorite of myself and my dad- Q,The Winged Serpent .

[@TheMitsinga]

19:00 the Predator related confusion: it didn't kill the field of Bison < that was the French trappers (later explained at 24:40) as for the snake remains: the Predator skins its Prey when it feels its not worthy as a trophie, we saw this in the 1987 original

[@Nunya310]

I thought the skinning was just part of the process. The green berets from the original that were skinned Dutch and the team find are “completed” so to speak. The guy hanging up in the building where the shoot-out happens in the beginning of 2 was just recently hung up. After Harriman, Danny, and Leona walk away the predator pulls the hanging guy out of the shot (presumably) to finish “cleaning” the kill in order to take its trophy. Genuinely curious how skinning them means they’re not worthy, that would mean the predator would’ve just ignored that person instead of killing them. Just a discussion, no hate intended here…

[@TOM-ro7rt]

Yeah this guy is just nitpicking tf out of this movie

[@TheMitsinga]

@@Nunya310 honestly my source was from a website, i dont even know for certain if that's how the Predator operates, but i doubt very much hes leaving a trail for worthy opponents tbh i thought it was more of a warning to scare away less worthy foes

[@Nunya310]

@@TheMitsinga I was always under the impression that’s how he takes his trophies (if given the time). We do see him just straight up right out a spine and skull in part 2 but it looks like a skull, as in skinned and scalped. So I just assumed it was a rush job. Even in the first one it comes back to take is it Poncho or Hawkins body, one of the two so he can get his trophy. There’s a Predator video game for like 360, pretty good. And it was canon at the time. You could string up enemies hanging like in the movies and when you took your “trophy” the resulting corpse would be skinned. Any prey “not worthy” would most likely be ignored like the unarmed woman from the first one. Or Leona (because she’s pregnant) in the sequel.

[@fourtyxl]

@@TOM-ro7rt Realized that when he mentioned killing random animals when in actuality it killed those animals because they themselves were predators going after prey

[@rogereisnaugle6012]

I saw a bear hunt once. The hunter was on a hill about a half mile away. They baited the bear,shot it congrulated everyone around and praised the hunter. There was no hunt at all. He was the the predator, invisible, overpowered and safe

[@Valehass]

What I enjoy most about this film is the cartoon at the end. While the gun is a call back to the end of Predator 2 and implies she got her entire tribe skinned and strung up to the nearest tree, the cartoon makes it blatantly obvious that's exactly what happens. Girl boss literally got everyone killed. I appreciate that level of honesty when depicting the average success of the average female warrior.

[@spnked9516]

The beginning of the movie really worked against it, in my opinion. The movie goes to a decent length to build up the setting and the society the main character lives in, but it's totally undermined by the choice of main character. Given the realities of tribal life, the main character wouldn't have had the time to learn much of anything about hunting as she would have had her own set of responsibilities, and more than likely, would have already been with child given her age. The thing is, this could have been remedied if they just shifted the main character's background to being an outsider to the tribe. They could have kept her as a woman while also realistically explaining why she has the time and knowledge to hunt as an outsider might naturally be excluded from daily life.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

Better. Not surprise me a commenter can write a better story than the "professionals". They probably wanted to force the good old women stop staying in the kitchen movie trope and this only works if she is part of the tribe. BTW in my country thousand years ago the womens were not fighters but they were capable of riding horses and hunting in case the men have to go to war. I don't know too much about the indian culture but I don't see why somebody who living in the nature can't live from the nature and this includes hunting. Do you remember Apocalypto? Now that looked like a realistic male and female character.

[@lawrencecummings8534]

ur and expert on comanche familial structures? cuz ya sound like a random white dude on youtube...

[@ragingnoob3603]

@@lawrencecummings8534 Congrats, you've made the dumbest dismissive comment I read all day.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@lawrencecummings8534 Random white dudes happen to read more than any other demographic in the world, so odds are he's a bigger expert than most. His profile pic strongly suggests it too. And more than anything, it's irrelevant to what he said. Comanche lifestyle is irrelevant. The film itself showed us what it was like, accurate or not. So to hold to its own rules, the protagonist couldn't have been doing what she was doing. There's no internal consistency.

[@cari5627]

@@lawrencecummings8534 are you a expert of comanche familial structures?

[@StonedCabbage]

What bothered me is that the predator gets wounded and it effects his fighting but this girl is basically invincible. The predator straight up tosses a grizzly bear that can weigh 600-1200lbs but when he grabs her by the throat and slams her on the ground she is unfazed by it. Her back would've been broken if this film didn't want the main character to win for obvious reasons.

[@guyjperson]

Okay. I agree that if the Predator got a hold of her and slammed her around like it did, she'd be dead..... ....But as a trope, this is no different than John McClane falling through ten floors of scaffolding or the myriad tough guys shot in the upper left chest who consider it "Just a flesh wound". There is lots wrong with this movie, but we still are required to suspend SOME modicum of disbelief now and again.

[@rybald1973]

@@guyjperson Good point except John was bloody and limping by the end of the movie, Dutch who is twice the size and strength of this girl gets worked and it's comes down to luck that he kills the predator kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ2kZ4aEiquofac

[@jasonbarnes6568]

@@guyjperson how wild would it have been if that killed her off and the credits rolled. or something along those lines, like the predator messages to the homeworld that earth had "worthy prey" or something like that

[@mcbean1]

same could be said when Arnie gets a solid hit from the og predator, whether your arnie or a young girl, a hit like that would put you down for good

[@johnstrawb3521]

@@guyjperson I don't think so, my friend. Discerning viewers roll their eyes at the nonsense you pointed to, as they should, and as they do wrt Prey. Good writing takes the opportunity to develop small characters with little in the way of muscles, differently. They have to fight differently. If they get grabbed, they're all but doomed, so their strategies and tactics have to be very, very different than that of a man going 6'-3, 220. All these things encourage the creation of unique character moments---or should, anyway. Bad writing fails to notice this. Prey was full of bad writing and bad choices by the writers and director.

[@JoseMora-wc5zz]

I will say, “Predators” was definitely a cool take, and very underrated.

[@KBWrecker]

The ending was pretty mediocre but overall I thought it was an enjoyable movie.

[@Josh3B]

Agreed with @KBWrecker- the ending fell apart, but the setup and the movie in general is really good.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

"taking out a little wolf on the prairie is not the same thing as taking out a god damned sexual tyrannosaur" is such a good line that it makes me appreciate this sht film for having spawned it

[@rynoopperman5010]

So the pistol shows up in Predator2, means that later another predator £#€k3d up the tribe and took the gun later on

[@ramisalam2181]

At the end of the credits, it shows the tribe sees three Predator ships on the sky. I think they came to retrieve the Predator’s body, but the tribe decided to attack all of them which obviously wouldn’t end well. They probably took the pistol in the aftermath (or there’ll be a sequel)

[@Doctor_Odin]

@@ramisalam2181 The Yautja (predators) MIBed the area jigsaw style lol.

[@thelegendaddyspamdonut7605]

So you're telling me: Preds fired a gun knowing full well it wont hit without the helmet... suspension of disbelief shattered.

[@Jimjim192]

Tbh he didn't when he was shooting at Taabe he was fueled with anger at getting his mask knocked off and was probably just as angry being thrown in the sinking mud pit the Feral Predator is a tad different than say your Jungle or City Hunter

[@Alucard2091]

Well it will still hit Tabee if he wasnt riding a horse or moving around

[@Jimjim192]

@@Alucard2091 It also hit where his lock on laser was sticking as well so that's a thing too

[@emuman09]

Yes they made this predator a dumbass who forgets he has weapons by the end and how they work

[@eliavita]

@@Jimjim192 he actually is a teen, so he rages he is cocky and all that stuff, he made mistakes cause of that

[@johndiem7815]

One of the great things about keeping the alien off screen is that we are generally only allowed to see the creature when the cast sees the creature and generally with the same clarity. We get to experience the characters first real sighting of the alien with them. Our foreknowledge of the alien enhances rather than diminishes the moment.

[@Daniel_Dickens]

I literally agree with all of this, i don't know why some people were saying this was "BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL"..

[@karamlevi]

Maybe they hate strong male characters, so they need a movie to “out do” the original?

[@michaelk4113]

Your brief mention of nixing all the terrible dialogue made me think a silent Predator film, properly done, would be fucking great. Keep the music and some sound effects, but no dialogue. Could be cool.

[@0volts157]

Yes. Years ago a friend ripped a copy of Apocalypto for me. The sound track was missed so I watched it without. Best movie I've ever watched.

[@capitalcitygoofball1987]

let me say most movies post 2010 or so could do without dialogue. However, doing away with all the one liners in Predator '87 would be a crime.

[@Dwarfurious]

i feel like the predator is always too loud in his movies; heck a lot of things are just WAY TOO LOUD. Like we dont need to HEAR an ant walking.

[@TheStarSpangledAvenger]

The translations work better in the Comanche Version as far as the dialogue is concerned. Wish they had shot takes in Comanche instead of dubbing. Would have made the film even better.

[@perisos3891]

Leave it to genndy

[@rosumparat]

You forgot to emphasize on the "dog rescue" scene where she fights seven men (that are 80-90kg each) with very complex Wushu skills that learned just by throwing a tomahawk a few times.

[@ilcarnifex]

Only If you assume that tomahawk scene was the only excercise she had in her life

[@rosumparat]

@@ilcarnifex Well that was the only thing they focused on.

[@TellemG]

It’s a movie man

[@unoriginalmix8406]

you are the worst type of movie consumer, "they didnt show me her training at all during her life, so how could she beat the men???!!!!" my brother in christ if they even did show you her years of training you would still complain that she trained and beat the men, you simply dislike women. you are focusing on realism in a film with a literal fucking alien

[@Tvirus12]

@@rosumparat or how she took on one of her own comanche brethren, who fought better than the french fur trappers.

[@sevenout7119]

I totally agree with everything that is outlined in this video. I will say that this was a young Predator on its first hunt, but he should have been portrayed as inexperienced and not mildly retarted. Its an advanced alien race who’s way of life revolves around hunting and with each sequel they get worse at it.

[@plisskenetic]

Finally! Finally a DEFINITIVE review of this overrated schlock of a prequel. Yes I'm a hardcore Predator fan and I believed prey was really overrated AF and had one of the dumbest lamest predators in the franchise. I was ok with both Amber and her brother but there were seriously too many conveniently silly moments that happen just to make her triumphant for the sake of it! Thankfully a great review like this hits almost all the problems I had with this flick! He misses pointing out the fact that the Predator invisibility is inconsistent with the first in that it never glitches when it gets hit by water. And it's weird that this Predator's medikit is MORE advanced than the other films!! But other than that, this is a very solid review unlike all the others that overpraise and overrate this, makes me wonder if those people even know Predator at all, even if they claim to be so-called fans. The biggest laugh of the century are those that claim prey is superior to the original!! The only bit disagree with this review is him claiming this franchise should stay dead.

[@drogocultz9913]

Couldn't concur more Ser

[@overlordcrakehall1059]

Yeah his was a spot on review but to say the franchise should die????? WTF!

[@MrThomasHart]

It should have been in the world of _Apocalypto_ because not only does the Predator need heat originally, they only come in hot areas. And in Meso-America, it is in lore a mythical creature there. The locations on this are all over the place, like somebody took all of North America, and turned it into Disney World. You want to get from the East Coast forests to the Great Plains to the Rockies? It's super-easy, barely an inconvenience!

[@j3fr0uk]

' It's super-easy, barely an inconvenience!'

[@guyjperson]

That really WOULD be a good Predator movie. The Predator would be right into the "A sacrifice every morning or the sun won't rise" kind of thinking.

[@ajmorales5748]

The creature designer said it went there due to it being a different part of yautja prime and having different hunting location preferences

[@emuman09]

@@ajmorales5748 cool but that doesn't matter because it's not established in the movie

[@ajmorales5748]

@@emuman09 braindead response you could basically ruin any movie/game/tv show with "wasn't shown", also it's pretty obvious with it's face and wardrobe gotta be re****ed to understand it references actual animal species and how they're different depending on their biome/location

[@Jamie_Pritchard]

When you've been fed manure for so long even a dry cracker appears to taste like ambrosia in comparison. I think this is what's happened with Prey. It's not absolutely terrible, it's merely mediocre, and therefore viewers think it's amazing.

[@Jimjim192]

As a massive fan of the original two movies a tolerable viewer of Predators and utterly despised The Predator I respectfully disagree and thought this movie was good because of my love for the monster itself but I respect your opinion.

[@jfh9219]

Agreed. We have ate baloney for so long so when someone fries it and tells us it's steak, we say, sure.

[@Jimjim192]

@@jfh9219 I've never had baloney but I get what you mean

[@emuman09]

Yes I agree that's why people think it's amazing. But just cos it's not the predator levels of bad it doesn't mean we shouldn't critique it fully and properly

[@Jimjim192]

@@emuman09 The only massive thing that kind of bothers me is that they massively retconned Predator 1718 making Adolini a pathetic translator who doesn't even put up a fight against anything

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

Ah yes, this was pitched and conceptualized as "Predator meets Home Alone". Personally, I feel this is an idea that probably sounded a lot better on paper than it turned out to be, however the little boy they cast as Kevin-McCallister-like protagonist is pretty spot on.

[@donovanpastor4856]

When this movie was getting so much hype and support I was genuinely confused and almost shocked.

[@Dib40K]

And don`t forget: the predators have to come back and kill everyone in this village to get this gun for predator 2

[@christophertaylor9100]

right, how else did they get the gun?

[@pancholopez8829]

I think the ending sorta said otherwise, unfortunately

[@ajmorales5748]

Tell me you don't know predator lore without telling me

[@Dib40K]

@@ajmorales5748 honestly, I don't saw the movie, jet, but I heard it somewere else 😅 But how did they get the gun?

[@ajmorales5748]

@@Dib40K different story with different characters but it was given to them by a brave pirate who died, and in the movie they wouldn't even trample the village they'd honor the predators death and possibly ask the gun for a souvenir

[@blazeswiderski455]

When I heard that predator is back on track I was so happy. Little did I know that after watching the movie I would fell like I was scammed. The first half is alright, outside of the main character being a piece of wood

[@demetriskatsianis2396]

That was not a Predator movie. It was a movie about a woman's path to emancipation, it was about people following their dreams no matter what other people will say or do, it was about braking the rules and finally, it was a tribute to Comanche ethics, customs and culture. Oh, and a Predator happened to pass by with his spaceship and decided to take a leak on Earth or something...!

[@windandcloudshadow158]

I actually prefer the older brother to the main character least he was mostly level headed and a dang good hunter.

[@blu4390]

@@demetriskatsianis2396 except the Comanche were very patriarchal and would have exiled or killed her.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@windandcloudshadow158 Fr tho, big bro got shafted unjustly

[@emuman09]

This movie taught me that as long as I have all my limbs I can survive getting shot in the back of the head and survive. But as soon as I lose some limbs I'll die from getting shot in the front of the head

[@Auxius.]

Let's not forget she was in it to establish herself as the chieftain. No remorse for her dead brother or 6-7 other hunters npc's that have fallen. And as a viewer, it's really easy to forget about them because they all didn't have any background story- so it was actually quite convenient. I mean, they didn't have to have a huge part of the film. Just tiny tidbits to let us know they are human too, with deeper motives. However, then the film maker would need to tell men's stories again- and you'll be outcast from whatever pot of money the 'woke' industry has.

[@cobyogilbert6536]

Well technically she proved she was the best hunter everyone who doubted her is now dead nothing like winning by default you go girl

[@michaelleslie6992]

Really. It’s called a script. It’s ok. But it wasn’t something that would do much in a theatrical release . It was expected. But the real hero was the dog. And the fact she notice not to have a weapon to appear not a threat. But that’s the script. Still not RIPly in Aliens

[@BeAniEbOii1]

Theresa May style, truly the most strong and brave matriarch 🤝

[@jjones797]

If you’re going to have the Predator take on Indians in the 1700s then you need to do better than a hundred pound girl and a bunch of pretty boy catalog models dressed in Cherokee garb. Indian warriors should be weathered and hard looking, not what we saw here. Also, you can have a believable female lead take down the Predator. We saw it with Ripley and Sarah Conner. They were believable in their respected roles. They went through hell and built themselves back up to face their foes. This girl Naru isn’t that. I’m not buying her and there was no reason to cast her in the lead other than to score equity points. What a waste.

[@Cricket0021]

@@jjones797 if they're gonna make the humans with the lowest amount of technology in their possesion win versus the literal alien with more advanced technology at the time, they should've at least kept two or three of the main characters alive. it doesnt make sense one puny little human would win and even rip one of the predator's mandibles off. this movie's plot armor really infuriates me. they make the protagonist win just for the sake of tying this movie's story to the other pretador movies. a predator movie where the predator wins is long overdue in my opinion.

[@cobyogilbert6536]

@@jjones797 I agree to me it would have been better if it was a team effort from the brother sister and the least three other people surviving she could have made the plan to kill it and got the kill shot with the pistol but instead all the men have to die just so she the last WoMan standing

[@merrylderrickson3147]

They didn't even try to get the actors to seem like they were in a period piece, they all just carried on emoting and expressing themselves like milennials do today. The very first dialogue spoken, apart from the very bad acting of her brother, which immediately pulled me out, gave way to all of the actors talk like it was a scene in a highschool having little sister 'want to hunt'...could have been done so much better. but they half-assed it. they needed her to "smash the patriarchy" and they way that was done was have her act dismissive of them, challenge them, be sarcastic to them...all with ZERO consequence. she was both a 'war paint-wearing' warrior AND she was this dissenting "i do what i want, no man can stop me" they wanted their cake and eat it too. so rather than have her disobey the tribe in secret...they have her disobey every member of the tribe AND be rewarded.\ the warpaint is a good metaphor theyre using here to show she don't give a fck, she literally wears her disdain for the patriarchy on her face...a face matched by groans, eye rolls, idnignity and otherwise malcontent for the majority of run time....all of which directed "at the patriarchy" but hey, if she showed "fear or shame" of disobeying the tribal leaders, that would "send the wrong message to all the little girls that THE PATRIARCHY OWNS YOU.." and just like Rey, even tho she was stronger and better in all the ways than her opponent, who's been training to kill their whole life...she STILL needs to "cheat" to win. the old stick em when they aren't looking trick. this is the writers laughing in your fcking face, taunting you. Its them saying they know the only way the could ACTUALLY win is to do it this way...but we're gonna also pretend the length of the film that she was "just as strong or stronger all along" the end when she comes back holding the head and the village clap like she's fcking beowulf was just a perfect way to end this crap film, totally detached (npi) from the reality of what would happen. but the film just needed to end, again, on a metaphor of us all clapping the arrival of Odysseus' long awaited return, with the head of medusa

[@TheCrain]

Agreed. She was never wrong and threw a fit when her broski killed the lion. It was HER plan that got her bro that kill btw. Lol Also, knowing how the Preds mask works more than the actual Pred is insulting. Gtfo here lol

[@memoryhero]

This is an excellent, but underappreciated, point. And not just in this film, but in many from present day.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

@@memoryhero wish i knew what you meant by that, my rant was all over the place

[@dknight25]

Lol I agree with this rant and I understand the feeling. It was frustrating watching a Predator movie with a subplot about a teenage girl wanting to prove herself to men who bully and underestimate her. Add insult to injury and she ends up doing a 1v1, then a 1v4 and finally landing the killing blows on the Predator. I loved the Predator fight scenes, but it could've done completely without the female lead subplot entirely. If they had made this aspect more believable I would've ranked it much higher. It's not terrible, but that casting and plot held it back from greatness.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

@@dknight25 yes, it had the setting, the atmosphere, the concepts, and technical chops to pull off something really cool. instead we got Captain Marvel 5

[@thesrow1056]

The predator fight shows predators will easily kill itself if bored

[@WeAreInYourWall]

Prey is a masterpiece , my favourite part was when she said "it's preyin time" and preyed all over the place before using the dark hold to summon Wednesday adams and just scissoring until galadriel shows up .

[@anwarbroughton9635]

😯😯😯Epic🤣🤣🤣

[@paulmajano]

I want Wednesday to scissor me

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Just gonna say this movie was mediocre at best. Beyond the fact that the natives somehow managed to damage the Predator multiple times by attacking in close combat, something every other movie has established is a suicide move, I mean Arnold tried it and got smacked around for it, it's painfully obvious the movie gives Naru kid gloves as some how the Predator either forgets how strong and fast he's supposed to be or she survives something she shouldn't. That choke slam alone should've crushed her neck and back. Plus Naru isn't an interesting character, Dutch and Mike Harrigan from Predator's 1 and 2 were engaging multi-layered characters. Naru is essentially "I wanna hunt and prove I'm a badass" that's it. There's nothing else to her.

[@dussa472]

This predator isn’t as experienced or as well equipped as the others we’ve seen I think

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@dussa472 The not experienced thing doesn't really make much sense and feels like an excuse as that's what they did in Predator 2 and AVP. As for not well equipped is also nonsense since he has way more equipment when compared to the Predator from the first film who had his wristblades, plasma caster, cloak and mask and that was it. IF anything he wasn't well equipped.

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

@@thefanwithoutaface8105 the predator was probably the dumbest yet. It was reckless, stupid, and slow to action

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@bruuuuuuuuhhhh Which was almost certainly done because the writers knew if the Predator was even semi competent like the one from Predator 2 or even the ones from AVP, then Naru would be dead.

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

@@thefanwithoutaface8105 compare this Pred to any other, slaughtering hardened criminals, Green Berets, Xenomorphs, and even other Predators. This one got bit by a wolf, mauled by a bear, stabbed by a Native American (I never bothered to learn their names) who had the same training as the 4 others he killed before, shot, and killed by his own dipshit weapon

[@comicdork1776]

I thought it was okay but there was definitely some crap parts. Like the predator’s shield not hurting her when he hit her in the face twice with it right after it cut through his arm like butter.

[@reaperofsouls321]

That actually irked me, I thought I misheard the schwinggg and she was just bashed a bit but no.. she actually gets clipped by the shield edge not once.. but twice.. which makes sense because the shield's sharp, it wouldn't use it in a non-lethal way so yeh. I'm guessing she blocked with the spear but still.. that annoyed me.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

She ripped a part of his face off with her bare hands. This girl wouldn't be able to pull someone's hairs out with her bare hands, lmao!

[@Mrch33ky]

Thank you for this thorough and unflinching review. On the surface it seemed like they had the basic elements to make a decent film but I gave up on this film after 30 mins due to the poor plot and lack of characterization. Something that would have kept my attention would have been to have the natives speaking a native language, like in The Northman. I'm sure if anyone had that idea it was torpedoed by the studio because they think Americans are too lazy to read subtitles. And they're probably right.

[@Darkko88]

This movie had a Comanche dub since its release.

[@LoyaltotheNightsky]

The Northman was mostly English wasn't it? Is there another version? Or has my memory just gone to absolute shit?

[@Govinkuna]

I am a huge fan of the Predator series and having collected the comics as well..to everything in between. This prey movie to me is another nail in the coffin in the already dead franchise. And you broke it down so well. Thank you for your review.

[@LuoSon312_G8]

would this be an example of undeserved heroism? if Naru hadn't been so aggressive to hunt the Predator, when her brother allowed it until she'd proved herself unreasonable, hostile, cruel, and dishonorable. In telling her to stay inthe village because her brother's experience says she's not ready for whatever she wants to hunt. Is that really misogynistic? No, he's her brother, he's family, seeing her nearly die fighting the mountain lion had invoked her tribe's honor code. Family first. Instead she hunts not for survival, or for experience, but for praise, praise and nothing else. In the thick of the action she is shown to be cruel; harming others and leaving them as bait, is selfish to the point of arrogant. Unwilling to ask for help, and in turn unwilling to help others, even if they are weak and defenseless.

[@greybearddnd2417]

Yes, agreed. But that is the point of the movie, she is mistaken as being the prey, when in reality, she is also a predator.

[@rosumparat]

Indeed. She's no hero, she's nothing but a villain cause all the she wanted was that scepter or spear (or whatever that trophy was) of hunter leadership - the actual MacGuffin of the movie.

[@greybearddnd2417]

@@rosumparat correct. She is the predator of this moviue, with trophy hunting and all. Tht is why in the "healing" scence they show how similar Naru and the predator are. That is why I disagree with a lot points made in this review. The movie does somethign really different in showing us the predator this time actually being the prey by making a mistake in misjudging Naru early on. The rabbit scene establishes how he rates whatever creature the predator encounters into the "predator - wold" or "prey - rabbit" category and ignores the rabbit, because the wolf his higher on the food chain, therefore more worthy of a trophy. The wolf is the alpha hunter is this chain. He misjudges Naru because she is physically weaker then other humans, so she is considered lower on the foodchain, he forgets to take into account that humans became alpha predator because of their smarts, not their physical attributes.

[@justinglenn4820]

@@greybearddnd2417 garbage

[@rosumparat]

@@greybearddnd2417 True what you said BUT despite that the movie wants to show more how strong and independent she is.

[@ADR69]

I stopped watching at 40 minutes or so. It was so boring I couldn't stand it. I'm a huge predator fan too but this was not for me. Also the dialogue was bad but man, why did everyone sound like they were from present day? Not accent wise but just the tone and wording, i dunno how to exactly explain it but it really was noticeable

[@wa-bu3ke]

how did people from back in the day sound? you'd be suprised

[@omous7770]

I wish I could properly reply on phones There are so so many differences between modern language and language just 100 years ago. I’m not exactly a professor or anything, but I’ve read several books written back in the 18-1900s and there are very clear linguistic differences (Like how tomorrow used to be spelled to-morrow.

[@DanielFlores-fo1ee]

My thoughts exactly, i could not stand the tone and dialogue absolutely atrocious. It’s a Disney movie after all think it was trying to appeal to teens and younger adults. Also the cinematography is so meh, the shots remind me of some mid superhero movie.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@wa-bu3ke "I got this?" I'm surprised Naru didn't dab and do a Fortnite dance. Remember Lincoln's great speech at Gettysburg where he called the South boomers and said he was on day 30 of No Fap?

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@JDoe-gf5oz People did use slang back in the day just saying lol

[@TheStacanova]

Why is Hollywood so bad at “Story”? There used to be a rule with sequels, where you write it so it will still make sense & work, if a member of the audience didn’t see the original. That’s why Predator 2, did what Predator 1 did as far as keeping the Predator hidden & mysterious until the protagonist figures out what he’s dealing with. Predator 2, while not as good as Predator 1, still works in the same way. Hollywood doesn’t understand what makes a “Hero” & they don’t understand courage, especially when trying to write a “Strong Female Character”. The most courageous & heroic characters that people root for are typically “the reluctant hero”. Ripley, Sarah Connor, John McClain, etc. these are characters who are incredibly relatable because they are put into situations they do not want to be in. They have to overcome their fear, & do things above & outside their baseline, to typically protect or save people they care about. These are interesting & relatable heroes for an audience. They try to write modern “Strong Female Characters” with the primary antagonist as the “Patriarchy”, who are they writing this for? They write Females to replace Male heroes, without understanding what made the Male Hero, Heroic in the 1st place. If the Men in her tribe had been slowly picked off by the Predator and she goes to help, not because she wants to, but because she has to, to help her Brother, & she believes she most likely won’t succeed, but goes anyway, that’s so much more powerful and, well, heroic.

[@CavalierNSN]

"The story follows a young Elizabeth Warren..." I don't care what anyone says. There is a subtle, comedic sophistication in that delivery. I spit raspberry iced tea everywhere. Thank you Sir. Please give me more.

[@jbug1979]

14:31 The reason the Predator was going after small animals first is because it was its first time on earth. After he found humans, he stopped killing animals. He didn't know what kind of combatants it would find. He was stalking other predators that were about to strike, so he could see what kind of game was available for him to hunt. I think he was doing reconnaissance on Earth. That's why more Predators will be back in the next movie, as seen in the pre-credits animation scene

[@rybald1973]

As a Youngblood he would of hunted far more dangerous prey than earth animals to earn the right to hunt humans. To them we are the ultimate prey and would of known about us. The movie just didn't follow the lore set down by novels and comics. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGi2hXiurcSZjbs this explains it much better than me

[@dongxx]

um no there Is literally no way that a species who Is able to travel through space could not know there Is intelligent life on earth especially since they Would need to Know if they could breathe in earth's atmosphere

[@michaelk4113]

@@rybald1973 would have or would’ve. Not “would of”

[@rybald1973]

@@michaelk4113 ok teacher, do you want me to write I will not miss spell on youtube 100 times?

[@jbug1979]

@@rybald1973 Grammatic errors like that, in an argument, could make someone not take the whole argument as serious as you want them to.

[@couldnotbereachedforfurthe2647]

Hollywood has degraded so, that logical progression is all I ask of a movie these days, but this one quickly strays. How the hell the Predator forgets how its technology works...? I did enjoy the dog though, best performance in the movie.

[@TheForbiddenRing]

I just finished this movie and I audibly said, "This is the Simple Rick of Predators." The Protagonist got SUPER lucky very consistently. The orange flower touches your tongue and your heat signature is instantly gone from head to toe? He can track a blood trail, but can't see a grown woman standing directly in front of him as he moves forward? He gets her with his shield, but she falls directly between two rocks, stopping the shield with perfect timing. I mean, I've heard of plot armor, but come on! Why does this Yautja have arrows? They have space travel, invisibility, layered vision, instant wound sealant, but no plasma caster? Why does this Predator seem to have no grasp for how his Arrow Caster operates? Why did he just kinda drop his spear, essentially just handing it to her, when the pupper nipped at his heels? He literally bodied a grizzly bear earlier and now a little ole pupper nipping at his ankles is going to make him go into full retard spasm attack? SENSORY OVERLOAD SENSORY OVERLOAD. This was possibly the worst movie I have ever seen.

[@Don-fw3nv]

Hilariously, all these questions were answered in the movie, you're just REALLY stupid lol

[@mr.fancypants666]

I liked Prey, but... Naru got her brother killed. He died so she could save her dog. He was wounded and instead of helping him get horses to escape,she went back for her dog. When he came back to save her,she wasted a chance to attack by trying to use a gun she only had a few minutes of training with.She'd seen the other hunters and her brother be effective with their weapons. The trappers had guns and were wiped out. My main gripe is that the movie seems to imply she was right. The Hu ters didn't want her coming with them. They had earned their spots on the hunting party. She hadn't. She uses creativity to help balance physical weakness. She couldn't kill the bear or the lion. She only killed the Predator because it was wounded and considered her useless. Her tribe lost it's best hunters and is left with her...

[@PrimoPete]

Finally, someone needs to say it. Even among the more based reviewers. I mean, are people so bludgeoned by Hollywood that mediocre movies look good now? I just couldn't get past anyone considering it anything better than mid.

[@StarFox85]

they get $$$ i felt for it too

[@joshuascott3428]

the answer is yes in a world of shit a semi ok oreo is amazing i

[@guyjperson]

ummm.....yes?

[@StarFox85]

@@joshuascott3428 fair

[@hadesdave]

True. Her dialogue with the fat French man before the final fight is embarrassing where she has to explain why she is such a threat and great hunter. Btw. Her brother was a much better warrior and did more than half the work for her. Then she returns at the end and doesn’t seem to have changed or act like she’s been through hell. It’s just like “ look how awesome I am”

[@jwnj9716]

It was just meh. Not sure if I'll put this or Predators in 3rd place. I prefer the first 2 films more. I just didn't care about the main girl. The dog, the brother's short fight scene and the Predator were the best parts of the film.

[@kreevisful]

@Clifford Terrell Finally someone with a brain. Seems more people are just mad Because it's a "female" protagonist, while disregarding the first Predator movie was just as contrived in its plot. Dutch using mud to hide his body heat? Get real. In barely 3 minutes it would have dried and exposed his heat signature.

[@johnbishop2536]

​@@kreevisful So Predator 1 was stupid but little 90lb girly girl beating up multiple guys at once and beating the Predator without a scratch is totally believable (Aside from the comanche brawl to display the TOXIC MACILINITY)

[@kreevisful]

@@johnbishop2536 Bruh go back and read my other comments. You're reaching so far with this comment your hand is literally in your bussy and yapping in your brain.

[@vergiemorrison928]

@@kreevisful he’s actually spot on. Let’s stop trynna act like it’s the “female protagonist” that’s the issue and not how they’re written. This little 80 pound girl sudden goes John wick, Jason Bourne, Ip man, batman on a group of guys and beats the hell out of the predator because….no reason it’s just because she suddenly can. The writing was poor and this whole movie was the statement “you don’t think I can well watch me prove that I can” even though there was nothing done but a little axe throwing montage that would prove she’s capable of doing all the bs she did in this film. At least Dutch was a macho military man stereotype so it was some belief in his abilities

[@waynewayne8419]

@@vergiemorrison928 it doesn't matter if you're 1 tonne or 1kg, you are not besting a predator in anything. People love to suck off the first one off as if dutch ever stood a chance when he was only protected by plot armour. All the movies are the same, they all have plot armour not the nonsense you're talking about

[@sciencenate]

I was just listening to this - and thought “Big Chief Good Boy” must be like the chiefs son or something… when I looked like 3/4 of the way in I lost it 💀

[@jacob9538]

elizabeth warren looks so hot after getting out of the river after the bear scene

[@congestedthoughts]

I've already come across numerous articles from the usual suspects who call anything you don't agree with being racist or you can't deal with a female lead, this utter bs and is only a way to deflect the bad writing and how unrealistic the lead comes off

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

It just wasn't a good movie. Nothing but dumb fun. It wasn't the best but still better than 2018

[@repztraseyd7625]

Lol just say you have bad taste and go haha

[@mahhest6511]

just say you never met a woman before lmao

[@repztraseyd7625]

@@mahhest6511 this is hilarious considering you’re the incel haha

[@spencerstevens2175]

Exactly. I feel like half they time they cast these people so they can just use them as shields to defend against the inevitable backlash from the overall shitty productions and writing etc

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

One of the most baffling developments I've seen in the world of movies recently has been the praise heaped on Prey, a film that was aggressively average at best. The fact that it is currently rated by critics as better than the original Predator is patently ridiculous. Perhaps an instance of the 'at least it isn't super woke' effect.

[@EatWave]

It wasn't as bad as what they expected= It was good. The praise is the consequence of lowered expectations all around.

[@igamerflavor]

the first predator is fucking boring

[@nicholasbennett7367]

It shows the dumbing down of society as a whole. The butt buddies at avpgalaxy are a huge chunk of smart people being stupid and accepting anything that is handed to them. A shit sandwich is still shit but they praise it because it has good bread

[@oriondye3212]

The thing is it was super woke, they just buried the wokeness behind a bunch if action and plot. Or did you miss how every white person in the film was depicted as utter trash? Can you say white oppressors? What about how the men of the tribe did their absolute best to subjugate the female lead, up to and including beating her. Can you say domestic violence?

[@nicholasbennett7367]

@@oriondye3212 yes white man bad 🤣 not only that the broad was literally responsible for killing the strongest warriors in her tribe. No more hunting for meat that Comanche tribe is now vegan. Just pure trash

[@Arminius420]

The physics was so ridiculous the Predator can sucker punch a bear and basically kill it but when he smacked the girl she just fell down almost like this Predator wanted her to kill him it was kind of stupid.

[@thestarwarskid123]

I feel like the next time hollywood wants to make a sequel or a prequel or really any movie in that case they should send The Little Platoon the screen play to read over and point out the flaws! You sir are a true critic, and I love watching your videos!

[@kraymer4968]

The predator arrives. Kills a snake, a wolf, and a bear in that order. He is working his way up the food chain.

[@PrivateCustard]

We are living in an age, where things are generally an unmitigated disaster, anything average is hailed as the second coming. Same with Top Gun : Maverick, a solid 7/10.

[@EatWave]

Good is the new Great.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

what would make it better?

[@daneg]

Top Gun is a staple of my youth. It's iconic. I don't pretend it's a great film...but I know it very well and love it. So take that into account when I say...I have no fucking clue why Maverick is so popular or ppl are saying it's good, let alone great. it's not even good. it's nonsensical. does Goose's kid need to rock that creepy "lure a child into your van" mustache to signal that he is, in fact, the son of Goose? what in the holy hell is jennifer connelly's character doing in this movie? someone from a throwaway line in the original (I had to google it). and the absolute wooden acting between connelly and cruise! the nonsensical team building exercise that magically fixes all problems. the fight sequences were fun. that's about all I'll give this thing. gawd. I must be living in a different world. I left the theater thinking, "eh. I don't want to gouge out my eyes."

[@longann7560]

TOTALLY AGREDD !

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@EatWave Average is the new good

[@floresf8727]

Among the many things wrong with this movie, the thing that sticks out for me is how all the men were incompetent. Pocahontas apparently had more knowledge and skill than all the hunters combined. The men in her tribe would realistically have a whole lifetime of experience doing what they do. In this movie she JUST started learning how to do anything related to hunting. And she kept spotting irregularities that the men should’ve noticed first. She repeatedly pointed out how things were suspicious. Yet, all the men would shrug their shoulders and dismiss her. They presumably had a lifetime of fighting experience and were killed immediately. She (again) barely started trying to do what they do and was able to out fight and out smart the predator. Pocahontas has essentially little to no experience hunting or fighting, but she was better than everybody else. Girl power, I guess🫤.

[@Waterbug1591]

I was convinced that The Predator 2018 already had a Predator "Killer" at the end, this one confirms it by shooting itself in the head. I'm stumped by the franchise's suicidal attempt.

[@LukeLovesRose]

There was something about the Predators original helmet that made it possible for him to breathe properly. This is even referenced in Predator 2. He had to disconnect the helmet from a special amount of tubes that couldve been one of his dreadlocks. It was a very high tech and necessary device that this helmet doesnt seem to have

[@Tvirus12]

I agree, I think the director said this predator is from a different continent on his home planet.. maybe one from a different altitude could handle the environment better. The original 2 predator movies say they're drawn to hot environments.

[@idiot_city5244]

@@Tvirus12 that's a stretch. The atmosphere would be the same on their entire home world, they need the masks to breath when away from it. I think they just said "fuck what's come before, we want the mandibles out of the mask" and that's it

[@eliavita]

@@idiot_city5244 they can survive around a week without the mask

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Technically the breathing limitstion is from the non canon EU, though even that is inconsistent. If we're just looking at the movies, Predator 1 & 2 suggest that the tubes create a vacuum that sucks the mask on to the face so it can't fall off or be removed. In P2 Mike can't take thr mask off until he releases the pressure tube from the mask.

[@Tvirus12]

@@idiot_city5244 it's possible. If you went to live in Napal, Bolivia or the Alps, you'd have a hard time adapting to the thin air. A lot of Extrasolar planets are known to be tidal locked with their star. If life exists there then one side would be desert always in the sun one in perpetual darkness and the sweet spot in between which is where most life forms would live

[@pabz3389]

8:37 Her brother specifically vouches for her to stay and says she's good with medicine. The tribe in general is disgruntled and combative with her opinions. I actually really like that. It shows that just because a character is generally undervalued/overlooked it doesn't mean they are completely unsupported.

[@parcaleste]

When she was LITERALLY going against her tribe in that scene, I was thinking: "Yeah, I bet in those days they'll never cast her off or cut off her heels or nose or whatnot, for literally disobeying the entire hierarchy of said tribe all the time and most likely putting it at peril".

[@Cablev94]

@@parcaleste They didn't have time to sit around and think about hierarchy in those days. They where too busy trying to keep the tribe going.

[@parcaleste]

@@Cablev94 Yes, and therefore she was a nuisance.

[@ronniepatterson2827]

Well you "betting" whatever in those days means zilch, considering the main producer of PREY comes from that tribe itself. Im pretty sure she knows the ins & outs of her own ancestry, more than you lol. That being said, with Hollywood beating it into all of us from the start, that all native Americans were bloodthirsty savages, I can see why youd believe noses were lopped off for the least little thing.@@parcaleste

[@pabz3389]

@@parcaleste I'm confused. What did she do in that scene that put the tribe in peril?

[@gitripgutkick1105]

it does almost seem like the writers saw the flintlock from pred 2 and "hmm wouldn't it be cool to give that meaning for fans how do we incorporate that into our film" without understanding that specific flintlock has a story way cooler than anything they could ever come up with and if they told that story it would be significantly better than what they have written here.

[@turnipgreen6280]

Lol his delivery of “if it bleeds, we can kill it” has way less weight than old arnies rendition

[@chrisbabaero5147]

You misunderstood the bison being slaughtered. This was a cold & calculated effort to starve the natives by decimating their food source. Hence "buffalo hunter"

[@crazyralph6386]

Was going great until the end, where they completely overpowered the female Comanche, pulling off impossible circus moves.

[@africanhistory]

fell out a tree hit her head and no injury. Render unconscious for HOURS, but alas no injury. The more I watch it the worst it gets. Like kids directed it.

[@Nakhab]

Survival/Thriller would be the perfect genre for this particular iteration of The Predator franchise. It has everything it needs, except the script.

[@MrS-pe6sd]

Why the hell was the predator there at all? I thought they were drawn to conflict.

[@EnriqueMaxx]

Don't know why you thought that. it's never been part of any of the movies. they're hunters, they show up on planets to hunt the toughest animals there. According to the movie this was the 1st time they've ever been to earth so it was probably just feeling out a new hunting ground. Seeing what's available

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

@@EnriqueMaxx it's mentioned in both P1 and P2 that they are drawn to conflict and heat.

[@MidniteMeatBus]

@@bjrnhalfhand2258 ehich perfectly explains why he appears in pred 2, dueing whats basically war in the streets

[@MrS-pe6sd]

@@bjrnhalfhand2258 thanks bud, couldn’t have said it better myself

[@shauntaylor9717]

"A young Elizabeth Warren" 😂😂 fucking he'll

[@csgraffiti]

You totally forgot HOW that little woman moved the men around when knocked out!?!?!?!?