Was the Council of Nicaea About Power? Michael Horton Responds to Elaine Pagels and Alex O’Connor

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@solamediaorg 2 ай бұрын

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@hughmccann919 2 ай бұрын

Horton's book is all the more needed today (Nov, 2024), as the Platt scandal at McLean Bible Church is being exposed!

@makeitcount179 Ай бұрын

@@solamediaorg Michael Horton is a favorite.

@heremtica 2 ай бұрын

I 100% agree. Pagels is a polemicist, not a scholar. And I say this as someone deeply interested in gnosticism and early mystical traditions. I cannot stand 'scholars' who insist on inserting their own opinions and narratives into history. Reading "the Gnostic Gospels" feels like reading an amateur teenager's greivances with traditional Christianity, not a scholarly investigation into early gnostic sects.

@jorgelopez-pr6dr 2 ай бұрын

When I hear her I remember the apostle Peter warning the Church about false teachers.

@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for this helpful video, Dr Horton. Little did anyone at Nicea know what would attributed to them so many centuries later…. Consolidating power? Writing the Bible? Voting on books of the Bible? The ignorance is astounding even among “scholars”….

@echppll 2 ай бұрын

Love this format and content for Doc Horton. Very informed and very funny. Well done.

@NormanParanparanorman 2 ай бұрын

Really enjoying this new format and continuing to glean from Dr. Horton's wisdom and analysis. Keep 'em coming!

@donstrand4658 2 ай бұрын

Dr. Horton's book Shaman and Sage unpacks the true source of Gnosticism, which, as Pagels says, "Is all the bad things you're not supposed to believe."

@ColorokeeWestfeather 2 ай бұрын

Thankful for closed captions always, but Dr Horton your clear voice and speech has fed these profoundly hearing impaired ears since 1995.

@vaughncj 2 ай бұрын

No bishops in the early church? What was Clement?

@stephenbailey9969 2 ай бұрын

1. Episkopos (overseer, bishop) has been a role in the church from the beginning, in those early days the same as presbyteros (elder, priest). As congregations grew, episkopos became a separate role managing several congregations. The overseers communicated with each other in a collegial way and assisted each other in spreading the gospel. 2. It was indeed the job of the overseers/elders to combat false teaching. Gnosticism was combatted as one such false teaching. 3. The transition to collusion with the Roman imperium and the establishing of a state church occurred into the fourth century CE, long after the Gnostic heresy was dealt with. However, that formation of a state church, accepting the function of enforcing ideological conformity over the realm by the sword, also created a rigid hierarchy accountable to the government, with the laity now in a lesser status.

@jeffdowns1038 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for this, and what seems to be like a good series. Blessings!

@sovgraceogden6415 2 ай бұрын

Liking the new format. I hope you can get some of these people on as guests (eventually), to discuss topics more directly. Keep up the good work!

@00jaad 2 ай бұрын

Great series!

@christophertaylor9100 2 ай бұрын

When you get your theology from Dan Brown LOL there are so many goofy claims about what happened at the council of Nicea

@moseseach7258 2 ай бұрын

What is the music played at the beginning of this video? It's beautiful! Anyone know?

@makeitcount179 2 ай бұрын

Good analysis.

@The-Mysteries-Of-God 2 ай бұрын

Bishop has been a office since the beginning of the church

@jankragt7789 2 ай бұрын

Not in the sense Pagels understands it. Certainly not. Bishops who were gave up their lives for Christ, Yeah.

@johnandersson8258 2 ай бұрын

What is an apologist?

@williambranch4283 2 ай бұрын

Constantine was political, duh!

@hughmccann919 2 ай бұрын

What is Pagels' church, to what creed does she subscribe to?

@jankragt7789 2 ай бұрын

Gnostics are more like cats. You can't herd them. They don't submit to a shared orthodoxy but rather a superior self-revelation. They seek each other out when they want to fight against the orthodox, feeding off orthodox heritage. To them creeds and confessions are an oppression rather than a gift for Christian pilgrims on the path to the heavenly city.

@cryptojihadi265 2 ай бұрын

What a joke. Paul wasn't a mystic because he was taken up into the third heaven. That's an experience God chose for him for a specific purpose. With what he went through in his life and ministry, it's no wonder God felt the need to give him special revelation. The difference between Paul and actual mystics, is the mystics SOUGHT OUT those experiences, which no doubt left them open to demonic deception, hence some of the heretical teachings they gathered from those experiences. This is how Mohammed came up with Islam and the Jesuit order came into being. Two of the WORST false religions to plague the world. Remember it was Satan who sought to "ascend to the throne", we have to be very careful not to come at God with that kind of pride in thinking we have the right to enter the throne room of God.

@heremtica 2 ай бұрын

You are correct that we ought not have a prideful attitude about entering the throne of God, but to act as if mystical experience is not a part of Christianity is very silly. The experiences recounted in the prophets are deeply mystical -- there is an element of the unexplainable and unknowable about the vision of God they have. This same can be said for Paul, whose account parallels similar early attestations to a mystical experience of the hekhalot (this of course does not mean everyone who simply says they had such an experience actually did).

@SibleySteve 2 ай бұрын

Seems like most heretical authors found an income stream on the back of their discovery or thesis, rose that pony to either tenure or fame, and in retrospect for the description of false teachers in the epistles (greedy).

@andrewmarkmusic 2 ай бұрын

There is a SouthPark episode wherein one of the kids wants to return a Margaretaville blender and after all the run around he finally gets to the top of the pyramid structure and gets a peak at the decision making process which was a chance board game with decisions made via the luck of spin. This is how the councils worked and it's likely no coincidence that this is how economics functions in out era: same nefarious archons at work.