Was The Final Fantasy 13 Trilogy a Mistake? (Thoughts On The FF13 Trilogy)

[@RealEmotionX]

There are people crapping on the XIII music? The Music was the one flawless part.

[@edseiya]

not really , is not bad, it have some really good tracks here and there, but in retrospectivel is one of the weakest soundtracks of the entire series.

[@rrrr-im9oz]

edseiya Nah

[@edseiya]

uh.. ok nice argument?

[@rrrr-im9oz]

edseiya Music is subjective, I don’t think I can really argument besides giving my opinion duhh

[@edseiya]

its ok , you just have bad taste ,

[@Fortaker]

I'll never forget when my brother first played FFXIII. His wife came in and asked him what he was doing: "Playing Final Fantasy XIII." "Oh, really? I could have sworn you were watching a movie." That pretty much explains it right there.

[@halos2024]

At she didn't ask about the pretty hallways

[@halos2024]

*at least

[@anirudhviswanathan3986]

Did she ask who spouted all those forced catch phrases?

[@MyPhobo]

Because you can tape the analog stick 'up' and pretty much not have to do anything else the rest of the game?

[@genericsavings]

“Oh, really? I could have sworn you were watching a movie with socially inept retards I don’t care about.” Fixed*

[@Abanghazwan]

i played ff13 soundtracks everytime im driving the regalia :p

[@Iridescent_nymph]

EnApple same

[@Minority119]

Sunleth waterscape's my jam Cant help feeling that specific track is the perfect background for the long drives through the more scenic locales

[@moshpitfuneral]

EnApple I played the VII/X soundtracks in the Regalia

[@BeanChilling]

@@Minority119 yes yes yes! Sunleth waterscape is so perfect for cruising.

[@campkira]

yeah switch betwee neir and 13

[@Phantosification]

"Hope is so whiny!" He's a kid, and a refugee, and he saw his mom die. I don't get where all the hate for this character comes from.

[@dragames]

because they put him in a situation that his whininess didn't pay out. He wants to kill snow, never does it. Snow didn't really even kill his mom so why this is his motivation to be whiny is awful writing.

[@I_am_ENSanity]

He's just so annoying.

[@ColdCheese78]

Loved 13 13-2 was sad I've yet to complete lightning returns

[@ff789n10]

he also improves throughout the game and becomes very brave

[@monkehm]

Having his whininess be understandable doesn't make it any less obnoxious or grating.

[@BlackXSunlight]

FFXIII Problems (with Solutions) Linearity: discourages exploration and deviation from the set path, but linearity can work in entire games/specific levels where the story has a sense of urgency and the mechanics are fun and addictive enough that you don’t mind just going in one direction (see ff7r). The hallways we run through should've been booty-smacking us with lore (and a safe word) and secrets and mysteries, because the longest levels were in places that didn't matter, while the more interesting places lasted 2 seconds. How long did we spend in that junkyard in Cocoon? or the "Ark" which was literally another junkyard full of monsters to make l'cie stronger (I wanted more lore behind that, like there's a history there that living people kind of remember where l'cie trained in dungeons for some reason), or the damn Gapra Whitewood (pointless place, amazing soundtrack), or that mine under Gran Pulse? This wouldn't have felt so bad if we could've gotten more attached to other parts of the setting besides like three places on Pulse that you can revisit. It's the most futuristic setting ever shown in the franchise and I wanted to see more. Cast: composed mostly of strangers to each other, they lack chemistry from the get go. Conflict amongst the main characters isn’t a bad thing, just look at Barret and Cloud butting heads or even Lulu and Kimahri’s chilly reception to Tidus’s induction into the party, but there has to be something, and the l’cie spend too much time apart in the first half. Cast chemistry isn't about them liking each other, it's about them ****ing each other asdjkfhaksjdgh ok I'm done laughing, but really it's them "verb"ing in some way. If they're strangers, there's no foundation for them to feel anything but annoyance at having been forced around each other! I think Lightning and Sazh should've started off as former comrades (she's the ground trooper and he's the pilot) who were never really friends until she included him on her plan to bust the purge evacuation since they have shared motivations, and also to not make Sazh comic relief. If you start off the game with at least 3 characters already familiar with each other (Lightning, Snow, Sazh) at least there's room there! And Snow needed a whole rewrite from the ground up. I clearly love a lot of Japanese media but some of this characterization needed that primetime Emmy-winning American TV writer touch, a little less cringe and a little more grounding. Gameplay: Part 2 made the gameplay so much better with the tiniest of changes (changing the party leader during battle, speeding up paradigm shifts, etc.), and the original game actually does have solid game mechanics, if a little sparse (there isn’t a lot of meta for example, I think the only thing I can think of is when you paradigm shift right at the end of a character’s combo animation it resets your ATB gauge to start off full). They also waited too late to give us the whole gameplay, given how little of it is there. Story: they really didn’t take advantage of one of the most interesting video game settings I’ve seen. Much of the story could’ve been revised to include more perspectives and set pieces that paint a bigger picture of what Cocoon is like. VII, X, and XII at different points of the story give us a main cast who have to lay low from government authorities and still manage to let us explore towns, talk to people, experience the fictional cultures of their worlds. The Cavalry should’ve been introduced in the game sooner, Cid should’ve gotten more development, and we should’ve gotten one city in Cocoon that sheltered the rebellion that would’ve acted as a hub point between Cocoon and Gran Pulse-quite frankly this game’s story feels so much shorter than its predecessors. XII on its own is a pretty long story, easily 60 hours minimum compared to XIII’s 25. All those damn Cieth Stone quests could’ve been missions relayed to the party from the Cavalry in an attempt to figure out their Focus. I could write a revised outline right now but nobody wants to read that lol. Content: the Cieth Stone missions were really the only content outside the main story, and some were very difficult but also unsatisfying, it’s hard to explain. Given that this is the only game where the fal’cie are omnipresent, it’s a shame we only fight two of them. TWO. First time I played it, I was like “oh maybe it’s because they’re saving some for the sequel” but the end of the game like… cancels fal’cie forever. All of them fall asleep after the first game so we might as well have had opportunities to fight some during the story! A damn shame we literally look at Bismark and instead walk past him. We perform the "Titan trials" and don't fight Titan. Instead, we get one optional super boss, and that's a random Cieth called Wlaudislaus, who has no backstory or explanation of being. I know, long comment on a 4-year-old video. But I’m making a practice of providing possible solutions whenever I criticize a work to sharpen my own creative skills. And it’s fun af!! And the "New Bodhum -Aggressive Mix-" makes me NUTT, that track is so good. "Will to Fight" is so good. "Dust to Dust"??? "Almighty Bhunivelze"???

[@MegaMan64]

I feel like you should post this everywhere, like other social medias so more people can appreciate this cause I definitely appreciate this, thanks!

[@Rezonlox]

These are all great observations and proposals, you did well in expressing them so neatly, even if with a long comment and on a 4 year old video. Still, great job, do not relent from doing this, as people like me and NightOwl above me will certainly appreciate it.

[@BlackXSunlight]

@@MegaMan64 @Rezonlox aw thank you guys!! It's nice to know I'm not always screaming into the void 😂

[@GodOfOrphans]

Very well done. More people need to actually put effort into their critiques of the game like you do, there's a whole host of things to learn from XIII both good and bad but it all gets lost in the din of people just kinda bandwagon hating on the game and fans feeling the need to just gush uncritically to defend against them, and I applaud your effort. Interesting thing about the Titan Boss idea is that actually was planned but the had difficulty getting it to work due to his size, they actually did eventually implement the idea in 13-2 with that boss who is basically a reskin of Titan, you may recall.

[@a.d.snickles9450]

Final Fantasy XIII and it's characters inspired me, helped me through a very dark time and I wouldn't be who I am now without them. So I love the trilogy (especially the first part) incredibly much. I was always someone who cares more about the story and the characters than the gameplay and I just can't explain how much I love them idhfiepwfgjom.

[@Jack_80]

most people complain about the story as well. i like it, never found it as confusing as many people seem to and i never read the datalogs i keep hearing are nessessary to understand the story.

[@hashbrownslinging-slasher872]

Mark Lucchese Well, yeah, that’s what video games are meant for? Like, media influences people, nothing out of the ordinary or new.

[@adoniscreed4031]

@Mark Lucchese and you're an idiot 😂

[@iiamapoptartt]

@@Jack_80 It's great! You just have to big brain to wrap your head around the lore

[@veilmontTV]

​@Jack_80 you can extrapolate from incomplete

[@tenara-kun5979]

"Its like a bad messy anime dream, but ya still like the animation." so, Sword Art Online?

[@SailorStarHero]

@poopmannelson1 Hell No

[@thegumonyourshoes]

No, but actually yes.

[@Someone-gp3jh]

Tenara-kun jojo

[@novalalwan8036]

Hell no man

[@amead78]

Tenara-kun SAO actually had great music, unlike this trash.

[@SuperButterBuns]

Hey guys I'm pretty happy with how this video came out and Im so glad y'all are leaving your thoughts in the comments. If you agreed or liked this video sharing it with ya peeps or on your stuff would mean the world and it really helps me out. Hope you all have a fantastic day btw :3

[@NavyFountain]

+SuperButterBuns Fat lightning is watching from afar

[@weignerg]

Great video. Thank you.

[@Galaxis.Genesis]

+SuperButterBuns Final Fantasy 14 is a great game. Even if 15 fails, which it won't...they have that MMO game as backup.

[@Homoronavirus]

I love the trilogy even if it is a mistake

[@Homoronavirus]

it was funny tho

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

"Are the Final Fantasy XIII trilogy bad games?" Short answer, is a yes with an "if", long answer, a no with a "but"

[@CDodger24]

Average game with a bunch of annoying things in it.

[@campkira]

yeah it more like tech demo than a game...

[@gulyasdavid6170]

i love the game, one of my fav ff game, and Lightning

[@chambo1447]

No but yes

[@2000sKingdomHeartzHimefujo]

I like the first 13 alot, the sequels were unnecessary and are just weird. as said in the video XD

[@kirebub]

I played this trilogy recently after having put it on hold for the longest time. I didn't regret playing it, I really enjoyed XIII as a stand-alone story and I did like Lightning returns as you would a spin-off to a series you like. As for XIII-2, was the game really necessary in the greater scheme of things? I mean it seems to just have been an explanation for how and why Lightning is the Saviour in the final game.

[@Jack_80]

xiii-2 was still a really good game though and the ending boss fight and the music during that fight are amazing. lightning returns is my favorite though, i've beaten it like 5 or 6 times and just can't seem to get tired of it. not sure why everyone whines about the time limit, that's one of my favorite parts of the game. they give you more than enough time to do and explore everything. this is why so many modern games feel the same, few want to risk trying something different in fear of the onslaught of whining from modern gamers who want games to hold their hands.

[@gulyasdavid6170]

the saviour, cloud girl version, sister and my waifu lol

[@moxdegiourno7984]

i see you also are a member of the merchants guild

[@supster131]

I'm probably one of those few that loved the FF13 Trilogy! I loved the story. Sure, FF13 was linear, but whatever, the story made up for it. FF13-2 fixed most if not all of FF13's issues. LRFF13 while different, was still interesting and fun. I'm probably the only person that wants a FF13-4 :P

[@AstrumSensei]

A 13-4 would be amazing!!

[@cloudishere4100]

13-4 is the novel, it's a short novel that explains their current life on the new world after the events of LR

[@Jack_80]

i'd play it, i would love to see the combat system of lightning returns with with a 3 or 4 character party. i'm currently playing LR for the 5th or 6th time with different outfits and accessories and it's completely different. there is so much customization in LR you could easily play it 10 times with completely different playstyles each time.

[@luciusirving5926]

FF13-4 would suck balls.

[@adeptdamage3669]

13 had an awful story.

[@mikigirl18]

Caius is SUCH a well-developed antagonist so that's the reason I actually still play XIII-2. I wanna give him hugs.

[@SuperButterBuns]

+mikigirl18 SAME

[@akira-hr4tv]

girl you should, caius needs a hug....really bad

[@mikigirl18]

*hugs Caius* I swear. If Etro hadn't decided to screw up time and space to free 6 people, Caius never would have had to go through all that. Stupid goddess... Stupid, Stupid goddess.

[@akira-hr4tv]

mikigirl18 lmfao yeah goddesses, think they can do whatever they want

[@dawnwayfinder]

+mikigirl18 At least in XIII-2 you can reach Lv.99 in about 2 weeks, whereas XIII took me about 2 years to max the Crystarium.

[@zsurvivalist7996]

13-2 my favorite 10/10 would throw mog at the giant death machine again

[@Jack_80]

lol i always throw mog at that thing, one of the funniest things i've seen in a game.

[@nuclearpassion702]

Where is the machine? I wanna throw mog at it too lol

[@Thriving_in_Exile]

Well, if I ACTUALLY get to do that, I might play it. Hm.

[@Jack_80]

@@nuclearpassion702 it's a boss fight. it keeps regenerating itself and a list of options appears after you beat it a couple times. throw mog is one of those options.

[@nuclearpassion702]

@@Jack_80 Oh I know what your talking about now....The Proto Fal'Cie keeps regenerating in Agusta Tower, ah I feel kinda dumb lol

[@nightmarishcompositions4536]

Caius and Noel are awesome characters, the bosses were very challenging and there's a ton of post-game content in all three installments. It had plenty of flaws but I honestly loved the entire trilogy!

[@officialprincelouie]

I agree! Ciaus was fucking cool

[@jonathansoko1085]

All those people that claim you press auto attack and just beat the game, didnt fight one boss

[@everilliem3292]

​@@jonathansoko1085Yeah auto attack is so horrible an not optimal.

[@notsokka4922]

Honestly, Sazh is still my faviorate charater in FF by far

[@FireRising86]

He was the only likable one in 13. 13 had some of worst characters in the series by FAR

[@dazigolding5814]

I would like to introduce you to the Soldiers of FF13, who threw themselves at 4 idiots, Brother Bear, and Sazh to save their home, knowing that they would most likely die to the superior force known only as Sazh.

[@aeroga2383]

all 6 characters were the best in the entire FF series

[@TheDarkStigmataVA]

I just can't shake the feeling that you sound like Nora from RWBY.

[@ProxyDoug]

Oh my, she does.

[@Jacoboby1]

Great, now I'm never going to get the image of Nora with headphones in front of a computer doing this video out of my head...

[@yoelqve]

YEEEEESSSS!

[@PeachHeadzAddiction]

It’s Nora reviewing a crap ton of games!!! Who let her escape from the Rooster Teeth dungeon?

[@keelanbarron928]

Ehh, kind of don't hear it but to be fair, i haven't heard her voice in a while so I'll check that out.

[@zachgamemaster3329]

"I really hate time travel stories. Especially when it pops up out of the blue." (takes a nervous look at the other popular Square property that did this for no reason)

[@bryanmunoz775]

The only exception is Chrono Trigger

[@nicogalax]

@@bryanmunoz775 it came out of nowhere too...

[@BlueLightningSky]

I really like defending XIII series because I feel most of the criticism is unfair but let's be honest it was a generation behind. It's the growing pains of company that focused too much on graphics over engaging gameplay, in a time when traditional JRPG combat systems won't work anymore. It would take until LR for them to fix the combat and even then not completely. Of course it doesn't help LR makes very controversial design choices. Mainly clock and end game timers, end game timers are equivalent to permadeath. Very annoying to deal with for most people. But honestly I love end game timers because fuck you if you think the world is gonna wait for you Dragonborn. XIII-2 may end up being everyone's favorite because simply put it is the most polished when it comes to gameplay and even story. Caius, Yeul and Noel are so compelling. But LR on the other hand shows the same problem XIII had troubled development but this time with a shorter time span. They had to make it a semi open world and they had to redo the combat so you don't see much polish with it. Some costumes suck. Sazh's plot thread is surprisingly bare. But still I liked almost all the gameplay aspects of LR. I liked the extinction number and how it discouraged farming all the time as enemies would drop higher level skills later in the day. I love melding and special abilities from it. I loved the customization though some costumes are big offenders like Amazon, but Sacred Knight and Dark Knight looks so bad ass. It reminded me of why I fell in love with Final Fantasy. I love how there's two sidequest involving the music of XIII and XIII-2, like literally the music of it. That was the fanservice I love. I love how bosses get stronger later in the days. What is this Romancing Saga 2? But in the end I was still disappointed by no party members most of the time. Which btw is why it is called Lighting Returns Final Fantasy XIII just like Crisis Core. Or how a lot of the enemies had to be scaled down in literal size. I wanted to fight a turtle god dammit. I also was disappointed at how none of the DLC bosses made it. But the combat itself was great and I consider that the best FF combat to date. Fuck off XV you're just KHBBS wannabe with barely any hitstun and even then that game wasn't that good. In LR you can juggle dragons and giants. I'm disappointed that SE never visited this again because if anything it's the foundation of a good game. How I wish XIII was the games they would remake into one series. I understand why a lot won't like it. Scrubs don't like end game timers that's why Dead Rising removed it. It's easily a make or break for some people which is sad because I think it created importance in managing your time and treating time as a precious resource. Some sidequests are also very interesting there's one involving a girl who sells her tears and falls in love with an older man except he's not an older man because they don't age but she has the mind of an adult but she sees him as a child even after all these years. This sounds like it's straight up from a sci fi novel. They do make the premise of a world where nobody ages interesting. They even break the rule once without explaining it to tell a story of two people being separated by time. Oh my god do you know how long I've waited to see lovers separated by the flow of time in a video game. It's not well told, the production values are less than ideal but the idea of being the only one who ages in a world where no one does is intriguing and a great inversion of being the only one who doesn't age.But again I get it, you have to show up four times on consecutive days to pass the Luka quest. Do you know how hard it is for people to show up on time? This isn't a joke. I'm saying it is hard for people to show up on time. Because you have to consciously think about showing up on time there. You have to do a lot of running around for most quests. And I guess perhaps the most damning thing is that you need to do sidequests to get stronger. It makes sidequests more important but you wonder if it was too important and I get what they're going for. It's about Lightning helping people in the world that's not gone to hell but is in limbo. That's why sidequests are important but again. If you are not that type of player, you will hate it. LR just tugged on so many of the right strings in my heart in what I look for in a game like this. In the end I think we didn't need to have 2 sequels but I'm glad we did get them. It did delay XV but clearly that needed to be delayed. Plus I think LR was a necessary experiment in open world design for XV to happen. And while I'm glad XV is heading in the right direction I can't help but look back at what is being left behind.

[@emaam]

Nice book

[@LakshayBaijal]

you really understand that game.

[@alrox9760]

Wow....i... feel the same as you damn xd this is how i FEEEL!!!

[@Jack_80]

the time management was one of my favorite parts of lightning returns. with the chronostasis ability it almost becomes a non issue and by the end of the game you have time to do and explore everything with days left over at the end with nothing to do. i never understood how people made such a big deal about it, it's similar to ocarina of time but better and everyone loved that game. most people just agree with the early popular opinion rather than forming their own opinions. look at comments about this series, watch dogs, or dark souls 2 and most of them sound like they are reading from an identical script. people are so easily influenced by the opinions of others and they don't even realize it. many people would have very different opinions of things if they were unable to view and copy the opinions of others and formed their own opinions absent outside influence. of course they would never admit this because who wants to admit they are so easily manipulated by others.

[@samuraiwarrior87]

Turned based jrpgs are not dead you need to look further than final fantasy games. They are not the sole existing jrpg to exist.

[@Cloud-zb8lw]

Noel: "You change the future, you change the past." Does that make sense to anyone ?

[@TheWolfgangGrimmer]

Nope.

[@frogradar]

the phrase only EVER applied to Yuel, Changing the future alters her visions and her visions kill her. Outside of that only specification though, the phrase NEVER made any sense. Say I was born in like, 1920 and went into the future by some weird wormhole and saw what Hitler could do and helped him win, going back in time doesn't make 1920's Britain pro-hitler or anything... it just puts you back to where you were. Nothing would change.

[@raynekoral5586]

Kinda, yeah

[@MrDeldris]

They explain is pretty well. Essentially, if you change the future then the past changes so that the future you've now made will happen without time traveling interference. Basically, by changing the future you create a new timeline where whatever you changed is always what happened. The past is adjusted to make this possible.

[@Jack_80]

yeah it kinda makes sense, because if the past stayed the same, the future couldn't change, so if the future changes, the past has to have changed as well to lead to that different future.

[@brianmcd993]

Not gonna lie, I prefer 13 to 15! At least 13 had a fully told story

[@trippleknowswhatsup]

Brian McDonnell 15 was the mistake imo.

[@anirudhviswanathan3986]

Full told story?!! Ok the story is fully told.... if you look at the incredibly boring codex entries and even then it is confusing at times.

[@mastahofdebis]

Ok but HAVE YOU PLAYED FF15

[@trueblueclue]

14 is slowly dying... see you Shit Enix

[@EnglishRosie]

Anirudh Viswanathan though some of the lore IS in the codex, the character arcs and plot all happen within the game itself and are wrapped up within XIII. The only thing out of the left field is them all surviving becoming C'ieth at the end, which XIII-2 (messily) explains. FFXV relies HUGELY on timeskips and fleshes out absolutely NO ONE and NONE of the story unless you pay extra for the DLC (which is still weak and surface-level) and the movie (which is terrible). You can play XIII through and still have a satisfying experience because of the character development and plot actually happening onscreen. It feels finished. They don't skip huge sections of time and development. Also, the XIII sequels existed to bring Square Enix back into the black after XIV failed catastrophically. XV was then churned out cheaply and shittily with a focus on it looking pretty and appealing to Westerners - and people hate XIII so much that they brainlessly defend XV, which is a hundred times more braindead and weak.

[@Uroboro_Djinn]

Btw, can we please not forget that FF 14: ARR still exists? The game is so good and so profitable that it can literary keep SE afloat singlehandedly for the next 2 years which is more than enough time to regenerate profits if 15 fails (and it won't. The game looks fantastic. The demo was excellent.)

[@VictorKaiser]

+♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ I don't think she forgot it or anything - it's just that FF 14 didn't really have anything to do with FF 13 or 15...Well, other than that one event where Lightning supposedly popped into the game. I missed that event. :(

[@Uroboro_Djinn]

Victor Alkaiser So what? Everyone is like "Oh, if FF 15 fails, FF is done for!" Like, WHAT? It's been estimated that FF 14: ARR is so financially successful, it can singlehandedly keep Square Enix afloat for 2 years, which is enough to salvage the FF brand if FF 15 fails, which it won't since the demo received worldwide praise...

[@rapsody230]

+♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ Well I mean, FF:ARR is profitable, but they had to remake completely the game after the first release of FF14... that was so bad, so i would not say it was so profitable.

[@SuperButterBuns]

+♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ Never said FF is done for if 15 fails. I said if 15 is bad then the name/brand would be in trouble ( 9:26 ) If 15 cant deliver even after a 10 year development cycle, than you can expect a big backlash from the fans. FF14 is a different story. I am more concerned about the single player games square enix is known for.

[@Uroboro_Djinn]

SuperButterBuns Oh, I didn't say that you did. I'm talking about the people in the comments mostly, especially those who misunderstand the point you made in the video. I'm not awefully concerned though. Square Enix is a marketing genius, and not many people realise this. Most other companies would have died out following a economic failure that the fabula nova crystallis turned out to be. Yet, SE managed to not only salvage the wreck but also turn it into one of their most potentially profitable investments in the longrun, with merchandise that is still selling well (which includes toys, books, etc.), the games being released on all platforms and generating a tidy profit and even that deal between SE and Luis Vuitton, feat. Lightning. I swear, FF 15 could just be "Atari ET and the Bubsy trilogy combined" bad and SE would still be able to convince people that it's the second coming of christ...

[@jtib5968]

The 13 and 13-2 music feels out of place to me in some parts. Like I'm expecting something that sounds deep and ominous based on the landscape that I'm seeing and the sound is this sort of fanciful elevator music. It's not that it's bad it just kinda kills the mood, like you went to a Korn concert and half way through Aqua came out to perform; it feels confused in tone.

[@coreymckee4844]

The best things for me about XIII Trilogy Was the characters. But my favorite game was XIII-3 only thing I hated was the length and the dam time limit!!

[@adeptdamage3669]

Nah XIII had awful characters.

[@felipelombarde3346]

@@adeptdamage3669 You could say that to a bunch of other FF games. It's a subjective thing

[@nicogalax]

@@adeptdamage3669 every ff game has awful characters lol

[@celeste1823]

I think that the most important thing 13 created was, sadly enough, the dark age of the JRPG. As the biggest game in the genre at the time was hated by pretty much everyone, publishers became afraid to make JRPG in fear of failling. Except for a couple pf games, like NieR and Bravely Default, the JRPG market from 2011 to 2016 was honestly barren because of it

[@roxaskinghearts]

I love 13-3 majouras mask had quite the influince tho and i think you missed what they were going for if you didnt beat that game first

[@Sherrbrrt]

Do you have kids? The way you censor yourself makes me think you're used to watching what you say around children.

[@SuperButterBuns]

+Blkangerzero99 I dont but my family watches and I think its important to keep my stuff family friendly so everyone can enjoy it without worrying if im "corrupting the youth"

[@BlazeABD]

+SuperButterBuns This was in my recommended videos I enjoyed the video and subbed but just to say 5yearr olds have access to the internet i don't think you need to worry about corrupting the youth :P

[@gistofeverything6632]

+Blkangerzero99 Honestly, I think that the censoring adds to the comedic effect, which is part of the original goal of Butter's videos in the first place.

[@Sora744]

+gistofeverything yeah, I'm still waiting on Butter to start being funny.

[@JamesCobalt]

I love the creativity in the language. Way more entertaining than simply swearing - and I say that as someone with a sailor's mouth. (I keep it in a jar by my bed!)

[@novikovPrinciple]

But srsly, Buns, we could all have done without the Chocobo Death Metal. I mean, I love Blinded by Light to death, but I had to draw the line somewhere.

[@Dipnderps]

i like crazy chocobo....

[@JameboHayabusa]

Crazy Chocobo is just the best.

[@evilreigns7213]

NOoooo! I absolutely loved the death metal choco song! I was so stoked about that. XD (not sarcasm)

[@Tradinghonest]

Do you think you can ride this choboco

[@mrratchet]

I love the Chocobo metal song. It's hilarious.

[@Prich319]

I enjoyed the trilogy for the most part, Caius is one of my favorite FF villains now, and Sazh is also up there on my list of favorite characters. The games had their issues, but I agree that they were good to decent for the most part.

[@michaelkarlsson5966]

I liked all three FF XIII games. I don't understand the hate it gets. I've played most of the FF games prior to XIII but in recent years I haven't had time to play much but this summer I plan to go into FF XV and revisit the XIII games. I will be great fun, I predict :)

[@Goron1988]

1:02 "That's it ! I've come up with a new recipe !!"

[@johnnybadmen3473]

I actually liked FFXIII. I've haven't played too many FF games but this was enjoyable. By the way... Snow was my favorite character.

[@ChoiShiki304]

Two years and no haters, I like this :3 Love who you want ùwú 👏👏👏💙💙💙

[@DotHackerKite94]

XIII was my first surprisingly, and i still love it. odd i know. and yes the music is amazing.

[@Jack_80]

i like the entire trilogy. a few of my favorite games are pretty much universally hated, and a few of my least favorite games are praised by most.

[@LouSaydus]

Same here. I'll never play another ff game.

[@holloworphan9142]

Same here :)

[@Jack_80]

@Onebigdude i have no interest in p5r. p5 is one of my favorite games and i think it's perfect as is and a lot of the changes i've heard about sound worse. sounds like they actually let you go out at night on every single story day just because people whined about morgana not letting you go out. if anything they should have just changed the text to have joker tell himself it's late, kinda like in p4. you couldn't go out at night on story days in p4 but nobody whined, only difference is they used morgana in 5 to tell you it's late.

[@Jack_80]

@Onebigdude also i hear it's been confirmed that akechi survives, which would completely retcon one of my favorite parts, and i hear morgana will become a human, which i also think is a stupid change. i'll just stick with the original myself.

[@hethrham123]

lost Odyssey is a game you need to look into, that's a forgotten gem

[@Chibi1986]

Agreed.

[@crashboredom2]

Im a die hard final fantasy fan, and FF13 is the only game i never finished. I got about 90% through thr game and just decided i wasnt having fun, and i never went back to play it again.

[@Artimes.]

I am a MASSIVE Final fantasy fan and I have played and beaten all titles, but there is one game i could NOT under any circumstances motivate my self to finish and that is Final Fantasy XIII lightening returns. ANY rpg that forces you to blast through the damn thing almost like a speed run is NOT an ideal rpg experience to me and never will be. Rpgs are for casuals, you sit back take in the sceneries, explore the world at your leisure and just have fun. That game you can not do that with and that is why to this day i still have never finished it and believe me it took every single ounce of my being to try but i just couldn't.

[@spAcegodzilla129]

Ff13 had a theme of thirteen. The last game follows that theme of thirteen.

[@beanz1467]

i mean i played most of the FF series excluding earlier titles cus i aint got any old consoles so FF7 onwards, but LLR:FFXIII is pretty fun if you just play it, you really dont have to turbo through the whole game despite the time limit. Most side missions actually shows a side of Lightning that we never really see in the previous games, and we can see her humanity side returning to her every time she completes one. But you can still just focus on the main missions and then skip ahead to the end date if that is what you like. In the end, the gameplay can vary depending on how you wish to play.

[@mrskye08]

I love ff13, just like how i love all ff installments. Surely not my favorite but i can say that ff13 had the best environment designs in all ff installments. A lot of times i just stop and appreciate the intricate detailings on the cities and landscape.... Hands down. The music of ff13 is also great.

[@mrskye08]

I think the main issue with 13 (and 15) is that they presented awesome trailers and did not materialize it. Otherwise, if se upfront mentioned that 13 will have a very unconventional type of storytelling, one with the players be as clueless and confused as the characters they play and will run on a linear path just as how the gods designed it, it will not have the same backlash from fans who are used to other ff series. I think it boils down to se's honesty in trailers and giving certain expectations to players. Same thing happened in ff15. Se presented awesome trailers in Altissia but nothing was shown in the game.

[@sgtpaloogoo2811]

I love how the Cycom soldiers are all way shorter than the main character, even while wearing full body armor.

[@Mottay]

You're genuinely one of the funniest KZbinrs I've watched. Thank you, love the vid

[@decusq]

2022 and i still love coming back to this video for a good time. Thanks for the good times you beautiful bun!

[@Garry_Combine]

I hated it when it came out, revisited it due to the lockdown, fell in love with it and I view it as a flawed work, but one I can't hate anymore.

[@Runedrace]

i don't know about the other guy but i love the FFXIII trilogy and i beat all of them. but i had to use a guide book that i got from a friend for the first one and after i beat the first ffXiii i lost the darn book o,o. lucky for me he said it was ok. ... i miss that book T-T

[@MrTwentington]

Actually FF13-3 should’ve been called “Lightning Strikes Back”

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

Lightning Strikes Twice/Thrice.

[@ND001X]

FF13 was great. FF13-2 was confusing, and Lightning Returns was nice (I got a master game save which made it great for me). Loved the story, graphics, and combat. Nice game.

[@keydelllorenzana8143]

When I first played 13 (original) I hated it. I had just finished playing 10 and wanted more of that and 13 was not what I was looking for... However, now in 2023 I decided to give it a go on the series x and played through the entire trilogy start to finish. I still felt 13 was the weakest but I enjoyed it then 13-2 I thought was very fun and beautiful, once I changed the costumes to white and black mage for the main characters. 13-3 was another game that surprised me by how good it was especially if you do the main story content and some of the side missions were fun also. I truly loved my time with this trilogy after giving it a chance and knowing the first one had faults.

[@LumyTheQueen]

I played Type 0 and finally got to see the Fabula Nova Crystalis mythos done right. I really enjoyed it and finally understood what they were trying to convey. It was the game that finally rekindled my hope that Final Fantasy may not be dead yet. They can still tell some good stories with interesting plots. If you haven't picked it up, give it a try, it might surprise you.

[@everilliem3292]

Actually a horrible game IMO, the port was poorly done also.

[@hungryhungryhobo196]

Final Fantasy hasn't been Final Fantasy since Squaresoft merged with Enix (after FF10 before FF10-2)

[@Uaitdevil]

amen

[@matabishippuden6965]

Yes but that doesn't mean they didn't produce any good games......... By that I mean to say the only good game sqenix have produced is ffxii

[@Malcurious]

Ff 12 is definitely still one of the best games they've ever made though.

[@cl20v87]

Preach!!!

[@Jack_80]

@@Malcurious i loved the original ffxii but zodiac age is literally unplayable for me because it's like the difficulty went from hard (original) to very easy (ZA). it was no longer fun when i could now just easily auto battle my way through the entire game, even the tough boss fights that required you to manually input commands in the original. didn't like the ffx remaster either, somehow every square remaster i've played is worse than the original to me, which eliminates the point. i'd rather have a straight port if they can't remaster it without making unnessessary changes for the worse.

[@jdprettynails]

I love the Final Fantasy XIII trilogy wholeheartedly and I refuse to apologise for it.

[@mizuchi3036]

I like the FF13 trilogy and not just because of Lightning's butt. I also like Vanille's butt. Nah but seriously, I have a love/hate relationship with FF games. I never liked the "wait till the gauge gets full before making a move" mechanic. It just felt dumb to me at the time because i always thought that if I had a weapon I should be able to use it freely or at least dodge or move. This was waay before I became a dedicated gamer. I decided to give FF13 a chance, yes mainly because Lightning is just...perfect. Her bitchy but caring attitude, her badass fighting skills, her beautifully sculpted bo...er, point is, I'm enjoying the gameplay and the story. FF13( i'm not done with the first one BTW, and i've yet to try the other two.) is one of the few rpgs where I don't hate any of the characters and progression feels alright, I haven't had the need to grind or anything. It just continues to impress me. I get the hate. Its not classic FF or whatever. So its fine if people don't like these games but they're not bad games at all. Here, the FF13 trilogy is the equivalent of Resident Evil 4,5,and 6. People don't like them because of the characters or gameplay is different but they're fun as heck to play.

[@NightNinjaTFOA]

Glad Bun's addressed the hate against the music specifically, its soooo good, people just findin ways to hate I tell ya.

[@michaelmorningstar7933]

No offense to anyone who liked FFXIII and its sequels, but I find it ridiculous that Square Enix would greenlight two sequels to one of the most polarizing entries in the franchise. You can tell the company had to do this because of the amount of money they lost due to FFXIV 1.0 flopping in the same year FFXIII was released, along with the high development costs of having to build the Crystal Tools Engine since Unreal Engine, at the time, had terrible Japanese support and documentation.

[@TheSaskOtaku]

I consider the decision to make it a trilogy to be a mistake because it didn't need to be a trilogy. As for the first game, which I have played, I consider it to be disappointing. The graphics were nice, the music was pleasant, and the concept for the story (characters forced to act out a task given to them by god) is intriguing. but I couldn't stand the characters, the combat bored me, and the fact that the main antagonist could be stopped by the characters not doing anything. also the argument "it gets good 20 hours in" isn't a positive thing in my book.

[@CarlosPg32]

Totally agree, ffxiii has the best OST ever I LOOOOVEEEE ITTT

[@anekedudy8369]

XIII introduced me to Final Fantasy and I love the series. Yes, it's really a big but pretty hallway simulator, and watching Hope growing up over the course of the story got me. Hated him at first because he was so weak and whiny, but someone wrote it before: He had to witness his mother's death, how do you expect a child to handle this? I was so proud to beat it (the first one, that is) and unless they'll be remastered for the PS5 or later generations, I'll keep my PS3 to get back every now and then. *looks fondly at her FFXIII merch shrine* Can't wait to play XV one day!

[@A203D]

It was a neccessary painful evolution for Square Enix. In the same way we have a God of War 2018 reboot, we have a FF7 remake (reboot) and an also amazing Resident Evil 2 remake. These games couldn't have happened without the problems and in some cases failures of their predecessors. So while FF13 was not what we originally expected, things like the stagger guage were essential for FF7's insane combat engine.

[@basicsimp8798]

The FF13's story especially the first one is actually great, however you have to read the datalog to get more information about it.

[@xaiiphon]

"I hate side quests and time management!" Also Buns: PEEERRRRSSOONNAAAAA

[@lucarerystargaryen8037]

I loved ff 13 graphics, emotions, music, characters all great but i truly do understand why ppl didnt like it i dont like the linerarty( didnt spell it right sorry) but lightning returns was great and more opened. And i loved serah her innocence and not knowing shit was just really relateable. 😂😂😂

[@LYeroc4596]

I like the soundtrack. I like most of the characters (except Hope). I like the themes. I hated the combat. I hated the not-actually-a-spheregrid upgrade system. I hate time management in general (unless it's done really well-see Persona 4).

[@axlorg89]

Just played this year and I loved ff13. I didn’t mind the linearity because it was convenient for me who had to work a job and I tend to prefer narrative over gameplay. It’s why I mostly skipped over x-2 because I hate pet farming shticks(though I did watch the cutscenes)

[@streamerboss4673]

played 13 on 2019 didnt like it, i cant understand the gameplay. 2023 im searching for a game to play. pickup 13, and to my surprise i sudenly 'understand' the game system and im adicted ahaha.. to those whos stil having prob understanding ths game, i tel u its easy to understand and chalenging now i knw why they make a trilogy..

[@GreenNinjaTea]

I didn't even beat the first disc (Xbox 360) the automatic combat made it felt like I wasn't even playing.

[@CloisteredExplorer]

Xbox uses multiple discs ?_?

[@Dan-rw9do]

The video is on point... the characters were forgettable and the story was just crap. I actually didn’t finish Lightning Returns or 13-2 cuz I was so over it.

[@luciusirving5926]

I wouldn't bother with these new FF games either.

[@kevinclancy1573]

13-2 and LR are pretty fantastic games. Sorry you couldn’t look past your frustration and appreciate them for what they are

[@Dan-rw9do]

Kevin Clancy actually 13,13-2 and LR and 15 received a lot of criticism from majority of FF lovers. When the hype for the game built up, people bought it then halfway through majority of players started criticising it hard. I never got frustrated as I simply lost interest and got bored of the games then went into something else. I do remember trading in the games which is a shame since I have every final fantasy from 1till 7 remake.

[@nfsizmm8703]

I quite enjoy 13. Hope they remastered the trilogy on ps4/ps5

[@NightNinjaTFOA]

And retrospectively they totally ditched the whole story and ideas from the original Versus XIII concept, and they milked it DUMB, it's disgusting to think about. Even what XV was without all the selling out, and if the whole goddamn story was central located instead of in DLCs, anime, movies, and a lazy ass sad excuse of a novel... Overall I think more what you're getting at, retrospectively Buns, is that Square is insanely greedy and quick to milk something when they seem to have something good on their hands at all, even Kingdom Hearts still has issues and is STILL getting games with story important details published on other platforms, one of them is a fucking mobile game that is insanely grindy and impossible to get through to enjoy the story yourself. I won't lie, it's getting really fucking depressing how greedy Square-Enix is nowadays, I mean we're getting a Final Fantasy VII remake episodically... Which is a joke of a remake to literally wait and pay each episode to have them remake a PS1 turn-based JRPG into an Action JRPG... Story is already there... World layout is already there... They just have to translate it into an action JRPG, and to make it episodic is just Square-Enix showing how insanely greedy they are, cause they fucking know what they're doing, they know how much people badly wanted a remake of Final Fantasy VII, just as they knew damn well how much people anticipated Versus XIII/XV with how it was exploited to hell and back, its the minute they smell ANY success they just fuck it over with insane greed... Then again that seems to be the whole game industry now a days and it really puts me off new games, I'll just keep to older good games like Dissidia 012 on my Vita. Yes... I did recently repurchase it for my Vita, and yes... I do have a Vita. Just heading those questions off before they come in lol

[@saulalvarenga1862]

FF13 part 1 was an outstanding game. Once you fully understand the paradigm system you really get to appreciate it. I just don't understand why it was necessary to add a part 2 and 3. There was never a need for it really. The story just got beyond confusing. I agree that it was all about square trying to milk this story which I don't think really worked in their favor. It's like a good TV series that goes to shit but they keep adding to it. Just finish it while you're ahead like breaking bad did!

[@BeatGoat]

It's weird. I loved the shit out of XIII (still do) and was hyped for the sequel, but XIII-2 was so messy and different tone-wise that I felt really let down on my first playthrough. Then LR turned out even MORE different. Although I did enjoy playing both XIII-2 and LR, in retrospect there was absolutely no need for THESE sequels cause they ruined the ending and the original mood of XIII by shoehorning time-travel, new mythology, "savior" stuff, and other contrivances that shouldn't have been there. XV looks like a better sequel to XIII than its actual sequels.

[@davidmunroe-glada2098]

Well there was a report that Lightning could return in future Final Fantasy games like 15 for Example since it's still the same Universe as 13! The Producers even said so!! :)

[@gulyasdavid6170]

I will be brave... lot of haters, i very love the trilogy! one of my favorite ff game! i like how very different then the other ( ok, every ff different like the others, but this very else ) I think it's a very good game, and love that little xenosaga like philosophical story :DD one of the best story in the saga, deep and good. ... ok im a Lightning fan xddd my waifu lol. ohhh and the gameplay... 1st very weird, but get used to. so yes... i wrote a little novel 'bout it... but i love it damn xdd Srry for the haters if bother them xdd ohh and Lightning.. abouth her.. and Lightning... the only videogame girl who i rly like! i swear im in love for her... xddd she hot, pretty, cool! the only problem w her: she doesent exist :/ lol. so yes. i love her xddd

[@DarkKaij]

Final Fantasy for me reeeeeeeeeaaalllly went downhill after X. Can like any of the other, just don’t feel right in my heart. O stopped XII in the middle, XII I finished cursing a lot how I felt I needed to end the game after what felt like a 20 hours tutorial, XV made me quit after 2 hours with a lousy story and a hell lot of driving. I prefer just to go back and replay the older ones. I am currently making a Expert Grid run on X to finish with all endgame bosses

[@iiamapoptartt]

Final Fantasy XIII is where I was introduced me to the series and it's stuck with me since then! Now we know that Toriyama had taken the reigns of the series after Nomura was instructed to go work on the 7 remake. Which on one hand was good for 7's sake, but a death sentence for 15's sake due to the lead being Tabata for 15.

[@dankdilly]

I love how linear and pretty the game feels, the fighting is really strategic to lol. 13-2 was fun but then lightning returns was awful!

[@secrelight2610]

The thing that creeped me out was Sara looked like a 14 year old and Snow looked at least 25, and in the last game when one of the villains is a Sara twin, Snow refers to her as a kid and child... more than once

[@moddrew546]

It doesn't exactly help either that she's meant to be 24 in the sequel but still looks the same in the last one Now I'm not trying to throw petite and/or shorter women under the bus, far from it, just that Sarah looks too damn youthful to be considered an adult in that game I feel they could of at least made a better attempt to show age in her appearance, hell just giving her a more mature face would of helped alone Because my god she doesn't look like an adult × ×

[@ldking5132]

@@moddrew546 idk. You should look up some asians.

[@NoContextOasis]

13s combat lacked identity, it felt so homogeneous, everyone could do everything, nothing had an impact, look at ff7 for example, you cast ultima and it burst your ear drums, it hit you like a brick, now look at 13 the spells just happily float through the air and land with a puff

[@HyouVizer]

"everyone could do everything" FF10 & FF12 had the same issue with that too, i mean each character would start off in a different spot of the skill tree but really it boiled down to having OP clones of party members for the best synergy build........ as for FF7 honestly the only thing that made any of the character unique battle wise were their Limit Breaks, as all them could use the same materia/spells to change their stats as see fit so three other FF games right there that lack character battle identity

[@The810kid]

Dean Spence VII is one of the worst offenders of everyone can do everyone and this is coming from someone who has VII as the best in the series but let's be fair in our judgements.

[@TheAngelmisa]

+Jon Idoncair I love ff10 and I love ff12 as for ff13 ...its mixed opinions

[@jonah_da_mann]

The reason why I hated XIII is because IT GAVE ME NO REASON TO CARE. The first 20 hours of the game felt like a conversation that I had just walked in on halfway through. Why should I care about saving Cocoon when Cocoon is not fleshed out in any way as to incentivize me to do so? Why am I fighting off this evil authority and what exactly are they doing that makes them so "evil"? The motivations of both the heroes and the villains were never clear to me until at least halfway through the narrative, at which point I was thoroughly bored and frustrated because how can I be entertained when I am given no reason to be invested? (Yes, I know that there's a "grimoire" in the game that gradually explains things to you if you take the time to read it, but that is OBJECTIVELY bad storytelling for a visual medium. You're supposed to write exposition into the pacing and narrative; not hand the audience a glossary when they walk into the theatre.) The whole narrative fell even further apart when I finally figured out what was going on however, as so much of the contrivances simply do not make sense when you start to think about them. Why is the Sanctum purging entire cities just to eliminate the few people who have become l'Cie when they could easily just round everyone up and identify them by the l'Cie brands on their bodies? Why does Lightning only use her Gravity manipulation powers twice in the entire game? Why are they even necessary when characters are repeatedly shown to be capable of surviving falls and crashes from incredible heights (except for Hope's mom, because reasons)? How does Sazh survive a supposed gunshot wound to the head? How is being permanently frozen in crystal stasis any better than being turned into a robot zombie? Why are Lightning and everyone else still trying to kill Barthandalus when in fact that's exactly what he wants in order to destroy Cocoon? I know that they needed to do so to save themselves from becoming C'ieth, but why didn't they plan ahead so as to ensure that Cocoon will be saved before going to killing Barthandalus? Why does the game never explicitly state that the Fal'Cie are only branding humans simply because they hate them and want them to suffer? Without the game bothering to simply say "because he's a dick", Barthandalus' plan comes across as thoroughly pointless and nonsensical. Don't get me wrong. I can see why some consider the story of XIII to be interesting, and there IS potential within it, but the execution is terrible in terms of pacing and most importantly, exposition. According to developer interviews, the game suffered from a troubled production with one of the main problems being the lack of a coherent vision, and it shows. Unlike say, FFVIII, FFXIII's story lacks a basic OVERARCHING premise for all of the more complicated details to REVOLVE AROUND. Because of this, my first impression of the game was thoroughly terrible, and I was not invested in the slightest. You have to know the entire story beforehand and play through the game a second time just to be able to enjoy it, which should never be the case with ANY medium.

[@one909]

Hrmmm..i think FF13 trilogy spell most finest spell I ever Play

[@delchavez]

I love the entire XIII series. I dig the characters and story. I know I'm in the minority on this one but damn, I played all three, at around 150+ hours each and just remember having fun. And Blinded by Light.

[@zooropa04]

Love your channeling of Pam from Archer

[@325figgy]

that ending side note. lol

[@TacticalMikey]

Idk why, but FFXIII to me feels like the only FF game that looks like it did a crossover with Sonic.

[@SigmaSyndicate]

The most damning part of the Final Fantasy XIII storyline to me was... none of it felt *real*. None of the characters acted like real human beings, the world didn't feel like a real place that could really exist. The sci-fi designs clashed with common sense. Plot elements would get introduced, and my mind immediately went, "Boy! That's sure convenient for the plot." The characters never grow or change as people, even across games. Seriously, each character has the exact same motivation across the three games. The whole thing just feels like a masterclass on "how not to write a story 101".

[@danieldsantiagorodriguez4955]

I mean, isn't that most FF games anyway? Don't get me wrong, I adore the FF universe but I think the appeal of FF lies within the philosophical concepts and conflicts within the stories and the aesthetics not necessarily the characters perse. Besides real people don't have "character arches" or "character motivations" so it's a bit weird to demand characters to "act like humans would". People are difficult and messy and non-liniar, characters aren't.

[@SizzlingOne]

Currently playing through the XIII series on PC. The point behind doing so is to somehow identify any concepts from them actually sneaking their way onto the current FFXV, with all the patches and everything.

[@kurobara3]

I never finished the first 13 game, I feel my major gripe was that the combat only becomes interactive really like 5 or 6 hours into the game where you have a bunch of modes to shift between and the summon thingies. But until then your doing little more than moving the along stick forward and pressing x. And if the characters or story had been good it could of be okay but i feel the characters are mostly annoying and the story at that point is a bit meh. Even my friends who liked it said it gets good 20 hours in and that is the consensus from a lot of people who liked it and frankly that is way to long for a game to start getting good.

[@anthonygillette]

Obviously you don’t realize that the Japanese audience absolutely love this trilogy ... you know, the home team...

[@leonerd1763]

Fuck the home team

[@IamYoZen]

We can't all deny how beautiful this game is though~ that soundtrack, god daym

[@РусланРыбин-ф4г]

My experience with XIII trilogy was...strange. I liked the first game even with it's disavantages like really strict linearity, that even X didn't have, game over when the leader of the party dies, and long paradigm shift. But i liked it. The story was interesting and it somehow resonated with me. Music was brilliant, one of the best of the series. And the setting. Oh my god, I really like that Sci-fi fantasy thing. XIII-2...I really don't like this. The word "why" didn't got off my head while playthrough. The story is MESS. Why the hell they needed to devalue the ending of the first game for sake of that messed up time travel? Why they needed this goddamn valhalla? Why Lightning was chosen to Etro's knight or whatever is called? Yeah, the gameplay was way better than in the first game. But why they screwed up the story of the first game? Oh, and about soundtrack. I really didn't liked it. Why they added goddamn rap thing? It doesn't even matches with the music. And the Lightning Returns. Oh god. If I just didn't like XIII-2, THIS GAME I HATE WITH ALL MY HEART!!! EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAMEPLAY IS GODDAMN BROKEN!!! The story was good actually, and the soundtrack was WAY BETTER than in the XIII-2, but still doesn't matches with the first game. But the gameplay......this is not a game, not even a piece of program code, but damn torture. I really don't like the fact that they made the stand-alone game with the finished story the fucking trilogy. Why? Just why?

[@Amber_xo_133]

10 and the 7 Remake were also linear and no one complained who cares if it’s linear

[@theviewer9690]

I agree, I love the trilogy. The first ff 13 is actually my favorite game. I mean the first ff 13 and ff 13-2 were soo good. Lightning returns a bit weaker than both but still not a bad game, but they abonded the paradigm system and the idea to fight alone without working with at least 2 other people is not really a ff game for me. The paradigm combat system seems to be one dimensional in the first hours, but its not. Its much deeper than the other ff titles, I like it even more than the combat system of ff 15 and much more than the fan favor ff 10. The game is underrated, and that makes me sad :(

[@LoneGamerNerd]

*"Was the Final Fantasy 13 trilogy a mistake?"* The first game, no. The trilogy...yes. XIII-2 made no sense and LR just existed to clean up the mess it left. But _both_ , ultimately, made the first game obsolete. It didn't need an expansion. There were no unanswered questions _(that whole "Is Lightning truly happy?" bullshit was just a made-up excuse)_ The first game was fun and was just fine as a single title. Of course, now I can't even play through the whole game because I can't stand Lightning and Hope for the first half of it. They did a very good job of ruining the experience for me. One is too bitchy and hates people for the shit _she_ did and caused -- and the other wouldn't stop whining about every goddamn thing. XIII-2 makes you wonder why Lightning is so important? What makes Etro pick her over everyone else? It's not like she didn't have help in defeating Barthandelus and Orphan. Hell, Fang and Vanille had 500 years battle experience over Lightning! Besides, they saved the world more than any of the others -- and they're also the reason everything in XIII even happened. Really, the game was just an excuse to make Serah a playable character and keep Lightning around longer. I'm sorry -- I liked her after the first game and still would if they had left it alone. But they whipped out more stories and slapped her on the cover of any other FF titles she was in. I didn't get a chance to warm up to her completely -- she was just always there and it really pissed me off. If I am not attached to a character, I don't typically enjoy seeing them _everywhere_ . LR -- Dear God, don't even get me _started_ on that game. I can't even stand to repeat the whole title. It's just a "waifu fanfiction fest" to satiate Toriyama's _very_ creepy Lightning fetish. I mean, why is Lightning suddenly wearing dresses and skimpy outfits when she was portrayed as much more conservative with _very_ few feminine qualities in the first game? On top of that...the character whom resents being run by gods the _most_ ...ironically must become one to kill one? This flies in the face of everything Lightning defied in the first game. Not to mention, LR just revived storylines from the first XIII game -- things these characters should have already been over _(the death of Hope's mother; the death of Serah; those whom became L'Cie to "flush out" the Pulse L'Cie, etc.)_ On top of that, I didn't like that Lightning was the sole playable character. It's bad enough I already don't like her -- but FF has always been a "party game", starring more than one protagonist -- and I am now _forced_ to play as, not only a single character...but a single character I _cannot_ stand. No, thank you. Just no. Not to mention, her character-development is praised, yet her voice _and_ development are the same in all three games: monotone and learning to trust those around her, respectively _(even though she had no reason to develop trust issues. SHE was the one whom cast Serah aside and left her companions to fend for themselves in a life-or-death situation)_ The first game was just fine and should have been left alone. The only thing that was truly bad about XIII...was that it was a reference to FFVII in every way possible, all the way to Lightning herself _(SE designed her as a female Cloud; those were their own words)_ You can't play FFVII and then play XIII and _not_ see the massive similarities with the opening(s). I am _not_ a VII fan, but even I noticed this. The only thing that made the trilogy itself worse...was that they deigned to call it the _"Lightning Saga"_ when Lightning was really only the main character of the third entry. The first game mainly focused on Vanille and Fang _(the final boss made this clear)_ and the second was mostly about Serah. Basically, *unpopular opinion:* Lightning was the bane of my existence for these games. I liked both Snow and Vanille more than her. I mean, Vanille served direct relevance to the plot -- and at least Snow was there for others. Lightning is the same woman whom would willingly abandon her companions _knowing_ they could die when she is the only one with survival skills and instincts. So much for that whole "never leave a man behind" buddy-system she should have been integrated with. Hell, it even pisses me off that Lightning's character-development is a lot like Squall Leonhart's...yet he gets _far_ more hate than she did. You don't get a pass just because of your gender. It just doesn't work that way. Your flaws are not exempt just because of the difference in your chest area. The sequels made no sense and, ultimately, the story got more and more ridiculous with each new entry. It's okay if you like these games -- but don't act like the flaws don't exist in them.

[@nottomiokagiyu9830]

FireHeart321 So basically you hate it because she looks like a female Cloud? Straw man argument, champ.

[@eirei0789]

@@nottomiokagiyu9830 Way the go. Critiques the lengthy, detailed post with a single line, and uses the very argument you accuse the OP for. Classy. I hope to god you were *trying to being funny.

[@nottomiokagiyu9830]

Eirei07 For pointing out the obvious? One doesn't need to make a lengthy detailed comment on why someone hates a character. Simply say "I hate this character". Not "I hate this character and I'll write a huge wall of text just for the context to be that I hate this character." You defending him makes you look sensitive to being called out.

[@eirei0789]

@@nottomiokagiyu9830 For one thing, I'm not defending the OP. I'm criticizing YOU. I don't appreciate baseless accusations.

[@LoneGamerNerd]

Again with KZbin not notifying me of replies... Let me be clear: I only hate Lightning because, again, the sequels completely annihilated any actual development she had, turning her into a Mary-Sue type character for no reason other than "we want to". You can't relate to her, you can't feel for her _(she hardly even HAS feelings)_ , and the whole story about becoming a god literally makes no sense. I don't know how it possibly could to anyone. If she had been born with this power, okay. But she is literally gifted with it, out of nowhere, for no explained reason. She just wakes up and finds out she has this otherworldly power -- that's exactly how it played out. Even in the narrative, Lightning doesn't say how it happened; she just says something like "The goddess, Etro, chose me". That's it. That tell us absolutely nothing, and we're just supposed to accept it like "Oh. Okay then. Right on." No. I hated the sequels because they turned Lightning into everything she defied in the first game; going from a strong, independent female character to a literal puppet of the gods forced to do their bidding and being perfectly fine with it. I don't approve. She defied gods/god-like beings, but then she just suddenly decides to do as they tell her to do? If that isn't character assassination.... FFXIII Lightning started off unbearable, but became tolerable by the end. XIII-2 and LR Lightning...I don't know _she_ is, but she isn't Lightning. Not to mention, the fanbase's utter bias in her favor against two characters she is a rip-off of doesn't sit well with me either. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. But at least I have an argument as to why exactly my perspective is what it is. I liked FFXIII and the woman Lightning became by the end of it. But then they decided to expand the story and destroyed everything, and everyone, therein.

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

I love this Trilogy!!! Lightning is my favourite! Wish there were more of Final Fantasy 13! Epic Characters, Music and Story

[@moshpitfuneral]

You know what series they should’ve continued? X. X/X-2 were really good imo, and they’ve talked about X-3 before, but that series could actually work!

[@logfire4628]

The biggest problems with the XIII franchise (specifically XIII and XIII-2 since I never played LR) is that the "gameplay" requires almost NO player input. The reason you don't want to play the third game is why I don't want to play ANY of them. The soundtracks sound like Sonic OST mixed with telephone hold music. So, not good for Final Fantasy.

[@masterventus8036]

Lightning returns is one of my favorite final fantasies lol just had to defend it

[@greyfox6786]

um I started with XIII trilogy got interested and then played 7, crisis core, 10, 10-2. and I liked them all. I respect people who dislike XIII or even hate it but I don't get why? I mean yeah they are differences so what? you want the same thing over and over again?

[@dr6559]

Grey Fox different doesnt automatically equal good.

[@greyfox6786]

it doesn't equal bad either.

[@hobbitpsi]

Heres what my hate stems from. I buy a Final Fantasy to play an RPG. 13 was basically an anime movie with short scenes you can control your character in.

[@Furuchooo]

The worst of it is SE trying to make everybody accept Lightning. They keep shoving her on the spinoff games like she was a great character. Dissidia 012 she is put as the main of the second wave of characters and on FFBE we had 3 FFXIII events already. They also made her very strong on FFBE to make everybody want her.

[@crucible1084]

Played every installment from 7 to 15, and I can honestly say that 13 is my favorite one. everybody i know who plays FF thinks ff13 is trash and find me crazy for liking it so much. but idc, im very biased towards this game

[@andrewhall7457]

Totally agree with you on the music. Masashi Hamauzu is friggin amazing!

[@drewcoleman1158]

Personally I found the 13 Trilogy to be one of my favourite in the series, oddly enough though for mostly the reasons people dislike it. It has one of the best stories next to 10 and 15 (though 15 shares the same problem with 13 in execution of said story granted), especially in 13:LR when all the story pieces start to connect and join together the first 2 games. The battle system too I found really neat. I will admit in the first 2 it feels kind of automatic in the beginning but towards the end when you're fighting the super bosses it ends up being amazing with the strategy and responses needed. As per 13:LR I enjoyed collecting and strategising the best garbs for certain battles. Also kind of annoys me the whole corridor debate as most narrative driven games are corridors, though I'll grant you they do offer the illusion of free space better. As a side note though FF13:LR is one of the best in the series personally (next to 5 and 10) though I suppose that came with enjoying the timer. Honestly loved having the Game Guide and plotting out the best missions to do and when for max exp' efficiency, mind I had charts and everything all over my room haha! Though that's just my 2 pence in the opinion. FF13 and 13:LR are some my favourites next to 5, 10, 12, Type-0 and hopefully 15 with the updates coming this December. (Honestly place 13-2 more mid-tier with 4 and 9).

[@sonicadv27]

"The existence of the sequels wasn't from a place of ambition but from a company milking a game to death". The XIII series is one of the best examples of a series born out of sheer ambition and indulgence. Some people may not have liked it and you can tell some of the design choices they've made were influenced by feedback but all 3 games showcased a team trying to do its own thing and nothing more. You can tell they had their vision and stuck to it despite Square Enix cutting the budget significantly with each entry. You really can't say this is corporate garbage because the corporate side of this never worked outside Japan, unlike virtually every other entry in the franchise. If anything, they could've made a whole separate series with the XIII universe, given its expansive lore.

[@flapjackxl]

Lightning Returns for Beginners? Also, I would ride Lightning like I ride my hor-. Me 10 minutes later: Dude shut the hell up.

[@flapjackxl]

Dude shut the hell up.

[@greyfox6786]

if you mean what I think you mean shouldn't you say she rides you?

[@flapjackxl]

Grey Fox I'm not the man in this relationship.

[@greyfox6786]

flapjackxl you mean you are girl or...?

[@flapjackxl]

Grey Fox You know how they say there's an "alpha" or the "pants wearer" of the relationship? She wears the pants. She's the alpha. She's in charge.

[@leonlacroix2638]

Btw as for the Fabula Nova crystallis, lightning, snow, and the others are also in the world of final fantasy 14, along noctius from ff15. Also some villains appear in this world too like Kefka as a boss fight. Maybe final fantasy 14 was there FNC

[@warangelcloud]

People hate time management in Lightning returns, but they love Persona 5. Am I just against the populous on everything? Plan to speedrun FF13 as I'm playing it again to get every trophy. I plan on replaying the rest of the series. Was I the only person that liked the to be continued screen at the end of FF13-2? Thanks .hack// games for teaching me about continued trilogies in gaming.s

[@Mikx100]

When you look at what XV came out to be this trilogy looks like a masterpiece in comparison

[@bigsneezy647]

ive noticed something,people who hate on FF13 say stuf like,the combat system is bad and it should be like the old games,it seems those people want every game to be ff7,its just what ive gotten from the reviews saying the game is trash,i like it,its not the best,but i like it

[@theskepticpirate156]

Vyoth Krieah I would even argue that most people who outright hate the game have not played it. The game does have it's flaws but "bad story, bad characters, bad gameplay" are not even remotely correct.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

The biggest problem with the combat is that 1) the formula for the points system makes no sense, and 2) characters aren't customizable like the old games. It puts you on a set path and gives you no real freedom to play the game as one might want to play it. Now, similar things were done in FF15, but that works better with real-time game play over turn-based combat.

[@gr8b8m85]

The combat system isn't bad per se, it's just different. Too different for the tastes of fans of Turn-based FF, but different enough from any other combat system that it can appreciated for what it is in its own right. A lack of customization coupled with the fact that the battles drag on and on without much progression really killed the interest for some people, and they probably never get to the point when the game open up with a ton of side content.

[@sophiamalcolm2119]

Yeah. Most people who hate FF13 started on what I like to call the "Old" FF games, aka 1-6 and debatably 7. The majority of people who started on, say, X, XV, or of course, XIII, say it's amazing. those who started on XIII or IX are some of the only ones neutral on the debate. It all depends on where you started in the franchise.