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0:00 The Indomitus Crusade
1:23 Guilliman vs Mortarion
11:32 How Guilliman survived
15:18 Can Mortarion be redeemed?
18:31 Why does Chaos keep losing?
21:49 How strong is the Emperor?
22:32 Guilliman meeting the Emperor
30:11 The Daemon Primarchs and the Emperor
31:27 Q&A

[@peterga3658]

ok lets start rewatching i missed half of the start . love the streams man cant wait for the next

[@reybasura2806]

"He speaks to me brother... Does he not speak to you?" stands out as one of the all-time hardest lines in 40k.

[@L3GHO5T]

You know that shit dug so deep 😂

[@TheSpicyLeg]

This. This is why I love Warhammer lore. Two sentences that hit so hard when you understand all the context and the character’s backstories.

[@hellatze]

irony when nurgle punish mortarion on prison later

[@FIN_FINESSE101]

Nurgles garden: *burns* Isha: "......help me😭"

[@GustavSvard]

Would have been good to see hints of this. Hints. Not more. Hints.

[@jimbakes2782]

I'm surprised that the farseer hat helped with the ritual didn't have a quick chat with Robby before hand- "Hey bro, while ur in that garden, can you just have a quick look for this girl?"

[@maltheri9833]

​@jimbakes2782 "Yeah she'd kind of our mother from like 17k years ago and haven't seen her since so if you could see if she's still hanging out we'd appreciate it

[@89Keith]

Russ: "give me a minute, Isha, okay?"

[@XSilver_WaterX]

Guilliman: Father, I been hearing rumors from Isha. Have you, have you in your early life REALLY didn't make just human Sensei???

[@RaynmanPlays]

The reason why so many in the Warhammer 40k fandom think being a follower of Nurgle would be great is because nobody would get on their case about not bathing.

[@CrunchyNorbert]

idk if he's so nice why was Mortarion so afraid?

[@SalviHippo]

😳

[@GutsDovakjin]

Maybe he had him specifically take frequent showers???

[@bingusmingus2937]

Unlimited oils, paints, and shades of green to work with forever

[@OriginalChick]

I think the emperor has something to say about that

[@ThatsMyRice]

Nurgle is really living in a Scooby-Doo mansion in a spooky warp swamp 😂

[@zach942]

ruh roh raggy, demon aids! Edit: actually that's probably more of a Slaanesh thing..

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky primarchs

[@Yorkington]

The fact that the Emperor still thinks his fallen sons can be saved by his hand is quite heartwarming and hopeful.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

Not really a new revelation. Pretty well established that the only reason Horus was able to wound him as bad as he did was because the Emperor was fighting to subdue him where Horus was fighting to kill him. Only after he Horus used chaos magic to really fuck up people coming to the Emperor's defense did the Emperor realize he just needed to kill him. Important to remember that as brutal a conquerer and despot as he was and probably still is, the Imperium at the end of the day is a twisted version of his actual views and aspirations.

[@lierahaz]

@@deplorabledegenerate2630 Wrong. The new Siege of Terra books The End and the Death Parts 1 and 2 have retconned the old lore. The Emperor will NOT hold back in the duel.

[@TheSamuraiMind]

​@@lierahazThis is true.

[@e.mailissimo2146]

Alfabusa called it! :D

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

@@lierahaz Wrong. I don't give a shit about the new material for the most part. 😏

[@lostlogic6911]

This is the gardens of Nurgle, the Domains of the god of Decay and Rot. The entity that manifest not only to pull its champion from the clutches of death, and burn the Gardens whilst the god that owns it, is inside its hut shaking in fear is a powerful entity indeed. Even Khorne might feel a tinge of fear from this.

[@Blockheadfun]

The Chaos Gods secretly fear each other. They especially fear the “Anathema” as the Emperor is just as widely believed to be a god as they are, and his power within the Warp is growing at an alarming rate. Within a few thousand years his power in the warp is damn near on par with them. Just like the Chaos Gods The Emperor can participate in the “Great Game”, but unlike them he doesn’t see it as a game. The Emperor wants the game to end, and for humanity to be the only player left at the end.

[@bryanaa196]

Since the big E is half dead does that mean that half of him resides in the warp and therefore the faithful dead's souls now empowers him?

[@AxolotlInMC]

Well, I've heard a theory that since every major warp entity can create their own realm within the Warp, the Emperor did so too, and instead of just going into the Warp, the souls of the faithful go in there, where they are under His protection from the daemons. It seems that the Star Child is a thing, and it is the parth of His souls that is empowered by Humanity's faith in Him.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@Blockheadfun And everyone secretly fears Sla'anesh, especially Khorne, who had to stop taking pleasure from war so that she wouldn't grow stronger.

[@vitaminvai2669]

The Emperor probably still feels guilty that he didn't warn his sons about chaos and is willing to redeem them so long as they meet some conditions.

[@magicalmagicmagician5223]

this is actually a very common misconception about the emperor he did warn them, he told them not to look into it and didn't go into detail(knowing about the warp is inherently dangerous) but he did and many of the primarchs came from worlds that knows of the warp and fairly often deals with it Lorgar's home planet had a secret chaos cult(that's how he was corrupted through Erebus who was a member of that cult who also spread that cult through the word bearers) Magnus literally came from a planet of psykers and knew there was things in the warp but he was arrogant and presumed he knew better and continued to interact with those beings thus leading him to be corrupted Jaghatai also knew of the warp through his planet's psyker etc

[@Stickyrolls123]

The emperor doesnt really do guilt. He rarely allows himself weak emotions. He is 100 percent pragmatic and wastes little energy in anything that doesn't serve his goals. If anything he probably see's it as a lesson learned.

[@vitaminvai2669]

@@Stickyrolls123 I would agree but from what I've heard(haven't fully confirmed for myself yet)I think emotions at the time were a huge part of his decisions when the Primarchs were involved. Based mostly on his interactions/response with Mortarion at the end of his Revolution against his adopted Father. Of course all this is also based on assumptions of the Emperor having emotions of a Father since he always says he is a man.

[@vitaminvai2669]

@@magicalmagicmagician5223 ah I forgot he did tell them not to look into it. Though my opinion is based on being a Father myself and even if I warn my children I would still feel like I didn't prepare them enough.

[@Archon3960]

I do not see how this scene can be so "controversial". The Emperor has been awakening for some time. Chaos does crap like this all the time with their champions and daemons. That's not plot armor, that's called evening the field. ;/

[@shadowlord1418]

its more beating nurgle on his own turf

[@bencurran3204]

It's getting nurglities pissy and I'm all for it

[@Archon3960]

@@bencurran3204 Yuck. 😜

[@bencurran3204]

​@Archon3960 yeh when you look at that statement it's a bit weird 😅

[@sarethuskami5082]

@@shadowlord1418 So Nurgle is powerful enough to take on Khorne, Tzeentch and the Emperor at the same time? Because that is what the book described. Nurgle's forces were being attacked by the other Chaos Gods and Nurgle wanted Mortarion to stop attacking Ultramar and focus on the Immaterium. Mortarion chose to...refuse his Grandfather. Also note, Big- E basically did a surprise attack and the fact that the Emperor is an Anathema to Chaos. Don't see how that is plot armor.

[@werty4895]

Mate I'm surprised you haven't mentioned that burning the garden wounds Nurgle. That is a huge thing. Basically it means if the setting is right the whole chaos plot of running to the warp is actually nullified by this. Pretty much permanent death if this aspect is unleashed even if they run to the warp

[@edwells4769]

I took it as more of a psychological wound since the garden is forever scarred now.

[@werty4895]

@@edwells4769 mate it's at the end of the book. It's mentioned there that the garden is Nurgle, and he's wounded

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@edwells4769The Emperor (by extension, his sword) is capable of granting true death to daemons. A daemon is just a tiny, tiny part of the god it serves. Therefore, granting true death to a daemon is to reduce the power of the god as well. The garden of Nurgle is similarly a part of Nurgle, and a part of his power. The Emperor weakened Nurgle (permanently) by destroying the garden. Now, over time, Nurgle can recover power to replace what he lost, but at the moment he is at a disadvantage both against real space but also the other Chaos gods. The real warning here is that Emperor is capable of permanently wounding Chaos, and theoretically, destroying them completely. As we saw in fantasy with Slaanesh, Chaos gods can be wounded and be unable to heal the wound. Slaanesh is scarred in fantasy, regardless of the form it takes. Nurgle may be similarly wounded by the Emperor, his garden permanently damaged. This could be a mistake by Abbadon, amusingly. The Great Rift at first seems like a great Chaos victory, but it also awoke the Emperor to take a more active role. What if the great awakening in psychic potential among humanity empowered Chaos AND the Emperor?

[@Tsujanryo]

Not heard any hint at all but a Roboute cameo in "Space Marine II" would be sweet. A fan can dream.

[@SandmanofTerra]

That would be epic

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

That would be pretty special

[@daweimer71]

The greatest moment in all of 40k lore up to this minute!

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

It's pretty darn cool.

[@dROUDebateMeCowards]

It seems like the corpse god part of the emperor has his will and intellect, but limits the application of his tremendous power because he knows that he is missing his hope and compassion. He is dedicated to mankind, but has made himself kind of evil or amoral and knows it. He uses his power to maintain the golden throne and to power the astronomicon and that is it. What if he used Guilliman as the instrument of his power because he trusts Guilliman to use it in a way the whole of him would approve of. The emperor gave Guilliman access not only to his power, but his intellectual might. So Guilliman was running on the emperor’s hardware, essentially. So what we saw was the emperor in his Roboute Guilliman aspect, more or less. But, the Guilliman part of him saw that the power of the Emperor could be used to save Mortarion. Guilliman spared him the ultimate destruction the corpse god emperor would have probably meted out alone. By letting Guilliman wield that corpse God power, he gets to actually get back on the board without the risk of doing something counterproductive for lack of the better angels of his nature. I bet that was the plan all along, but Guilliman’s interaction with the emperor was too intense. Skeleton King essentially gave him too much gas and burned him out. I think this interpretation fits with the newer lore and explains why empathy is refusing to leave the golden throne. He could probably work out a way, but he didn’t sever his honor and his devotion to humanity and he knows he can’t be walking around exercising power as what he is. He is like a star, said Guilliman. And Guilliman is the only living person the emperor can trust to wield the power, INCLUDING THE EMPEROR. (Except probably the lion, who I bet gets access to emp juice as well once he reaches Terra and can make the connection.)

[@ArantyrDarkhand]

This happen after the opening of the Cicatriz maledicitum. The emperor its reforming his mind. Thats how it seens. Becouse a bunch of sh it like that start to happen. But the first time Girly see the emperor he still disconnected like fractured.

[@dROUDebateMeCowards]

@@ArantyrDarkhand That was the assumption before end and the death 2. Now we know that there are two parts of the emperor that were separated before he ever got on the throne. The corpse god is his will, determination, and duty. The star child in the warp is his compassion, love, and loyalty. That separation was to prevent him becoming a warp god and eating humanity’s souls. what went to which part was about his upcoming battle with Horus. If he pulls himself together, it will be back to square one. More likely, his pieces remain separate.

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

I think The Lion gets access to the Emperor more directly after he has figured out what he wants him to in the Lion Warp-Forest. There's the three golden items. The "right question" to the Old King. And the mend his blood dripping wound that the Chaos gods are focusing on. Solving those mysteries looks like a way to power up both the Lion and his father imo. As far as I know Lion hasn't completed any of those tasks. What do you think? To me it feels like there's no question that the wounded King is the Emperor but...

[@dragnusu4411]

I like how the scene mirrors when the Emperor first saved Mortarion from the latter's foster father, but this time Mortarion is in the role of his foster father, helping drive home how far Mortarion has fallen!!!

[@ayethe4603]

At this point I think even the Eldar that have seen the emperor are so terrified of his power that they worry about him more then the chaos gods

[@thecommentguy9380]

during the war of the beast a shadow seer was able to stand before the emperor, she was awed just as she was terrified seeing the emperor not as a corpse on a throne but a burning sun in its radiant light the eldar are arrogant, but many of them know they need the imperium to survive, they need the emperor

[@grouchypotatowolfpack5580]

One thing that caught my interest was the idea of mortarion being redeemed. Of all the primarchs though, magnus' redemption is what I'd want to see the most.

[@SecretsHIS]

I am continuously blown away by your content. Might be the most well versed lore master on the web.

[@SandmanofTerra]

🙏 appreciate the support!

[@kb9oak749]

If you're going to shoot. Shoot. Don't talk. -Tuco

[@calvindoornbos332]

Gaunts ghosts is how I was introduced to 40k back in 2008. It has been a fantastic ride ever since. I miss Corbec and Bragg. Try again Bragg.

[@Dsaberguy]

I always got the feeling that blu man was testing faith himself, he had been killed, died, came back and met several scion and daemons of chaos. Towards the final battle with Moth man, he gets veat in like two hit and so i think he forced the emps to really intervene.

[@BSGRPApollo]

Is it still canon that Nurgle has the Eldar goddess of healing trapped in the garden for him to test new plagues and diseases on? If so, the Emperor burning the garden could have interesting ramifications for the Eldar.

[@thecommentguy9380]

Yes she's still there and no i dont think she'll die from that, if anything it's probably a boon for her What it DOES do however is probably make it safer for a certain primarch that is searching for the Tree of Life to investigate the realm. Additionally the event also lead to Nurgle locking away both Kugath and Mortarion as punishment

[@chasenovak122]

Okay, shit like this is why I love Warhammer, right. So I remember about a month ago watching a KZbin Short explaining the story of Ku’gath the Nurgling that fell from his Father’s shoulder while he was brewing the most potent pox he’d ever crafted. In order to survive, Ku’gath drank the entire cauldron’s worth of this virulent virus, bloating into a Great Unclean one in the process. As he knelt before his father, deeply mournful, and apologizing for devouring Nurgle’s greatest creation; Grandfather Nurgle looked upon him and said, “But my child… YOU are my greatest creation!” So now Ku’gath travels the Mortal Realms, and the Galaxy of the 41st Millenium searching for ingredients to recreate the disease which lead to his ascension to Greater Daemonhood. It wasn’t until you mentioned how the Great Unclean one Ku’gath crafted the God-blight, and I thought, “wait, that name sounds familiar, why is that?” That I realized the disease Nurgle was making when Ku’gath fell in the cauldron WAS PROBABLY THE GOD-BLIGHT! It’s that moment of sudden realization, and satisfaction when you connect a lingering story thread in your mind to a new detail, seemingly as unimportant as a name, that makes the whole story more interesting and cohesive. THIS is why I love 40K!

[@ryant2112]

24:35 it’s the part of the emperor from the warp. It states that Mortarion could feel a strong powerful dangerous presence hurling towards him through the warp.

[@dROUDebateMeCowards]

The corpse god is still an enormously powerful warp entity. Just not a whole one. And corpse god letting Gman use his power fits with what he knows about his post-heresy psyche (that it is totally FUCKED and can only be trusted to do things that are unquestionably for humanity’s benefit like powering the astronomicon and keeping the webway gate closed,)

[@skywise001]

Another interesting idea is Gillaman's death connected his soul to the warp very deeply (its where souls go right?). That might of given the psychers the open window to shine the light through.

[@skywise001]

Oh another thought - I think this is the Star Child Emperor. He speaks with compassion and acts with restraint. So perhaps the spirit was just on the other side of the warp close and waiting. Or maybie its both souls?

[@user-wo8px8tz9n]

Imagine if the Emperor could cut out Angron from Khorne and furnish him with a new body unspoiled by the nails!

[@hawk4192]

On the Eldar: GW scuffed it. They had a great storyline and then effectively canceled it. Until there are more stories to draw people in to the non-human factions there won't be much growth. Stories I would love to see: Guilliman engaging the Tau. Can honestly be high political intrigue more than fighting. A break from the norm, but could be really interesting if well written.

[@inthefade]

Roboute is way to busy to bother with the Tau.

[@hawk4192]

@@inthefade doesn't mean it wouldn't be an interesting and different read.

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

marines meeting tau would inevitably mean the extinction of the tau, atleast with modern writing the imperium needs to be able to be pushed back for the tau to survive, and when has the imperium last needed to take a step back vs anything

[@BC-vg3zf]

Burning of the garden would have brought Isha possibly free and a glimmer of hope to the eldar. Or at least be on the run with slaanesh thirsty for another eldar god or cegorach using her as a diversion to get the last crone sword from slaaneshs realm

[@auricstorm]

Yeah, you'd think that they'd at least be doing teasers to keep us hungry for stuff... For example, the phoenix lord series- all I "know" about that, is that the dude who wrote the first two has said it was *supposed* to be one author per book so he's not gonna write a 3rd At this point, I'm honestly thinking I need to find a "good" Aeldari fanfic site with moderators if GW isn't interested in getting authors in

[@Koba_Did_Nothing_Wrong]

Magnus will retrieve all his shards, be forgiven, or revealed that it was in the works millennia ago, take his place on the throne that was build for him and guide Khan and Dorn back from the maze of the webway. Onward with the lion to ressurect the Emperor. This, im ... Im in a Wendy's arent i?

[@brianhurley890]

36:45 the primarchs are his sentient Wargear. Just like the way he's suffused normal items with his power. He did the same with powerful warp beings he captured within massive Geller fields in his laboratory

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

So it’s confirmed the Primarchs base were minor Warp beings/gods?

[@andrewkennedy9134]

I lived this series of books. The best fiction out of the black library for a long time. Along with the new take on the lion gw were showong real signs of taking the timeline forward...though they seem to have bogged down recently. Hopefully we get more like these soon! Love the video, its nice to focus on specific parts of the lore and bask in its glory!

[@andrewkennedy9134]

*loved, not lived, lol

[@klaykid117]

It's really cool, but also a little scary cuz it feels like we're somehow moving toward an endpoint and I keep thinking about the end times and age of sigmar

[@andrewkennedy9134]

@@klaykid117 I know what you mean. Ive been into the lore since the start and have watched it evolve into the truely excellent stuff we have currently. I do want it to progress, but i also fear the end times effect of whfb. If done right, they could really do an Emperor rebirth storyline credit....thinking of the death of the emperor, the failing of the golden throne, the massive war this would cause....then going into an emperor reborn scenario.....theres so much they could do...terra falling, civil wars, schisms of the Imperium, aliens and chaos ascendant, then humanity reborn....maybe even coming out of Ultramar.....so much potential. But then you look at the mess that was end times....and i shudder in fear....LOL

[@DavidTheWatcher]

Nurgle is kind like an abisuve partner. Severe punishment followed by puting you back together. And then spins the narative about how kind they are

[@_walruseater]

Sandman, just curious, is this your full time job? You make some of the best 40k content. Love that throughout these livestream and recordings, we sorta get a look into your thought process along the way. And along the way we get some killer lore with great breakdowns and descriptions. Anyway, good stuff! Oh, and the idea of Guilliman vs The Hive Mind would be insanely rad.

[@SandmanofTerra]

I actually recently went full time! I shall mention that next time actually

[@sethkeown5965]

Congrats!

[@alasdaircook3030]

@@SandmanofTerracongratulations man! Big achievement, make sure you celebrate accordingly

[@Pax441]

Just got into 40k and been loving your content, so glad you are doing this full time! ​@@SandmanofTerra

[@mthandazosiziba7344]

​@@SandmanofTerra Congratulations on the Jump Sandman. I must say though I'm reading God blight right now I already heard spoilers ages ago, but dammit I couldn't resist watching this before finishing the book 😂

[@imjustsam1745]

I find your content inspiring. I definitely want to do what you do sometime in the future. Thanks for being a real one.

[@TheHornsofValmar]

Happy early birthday! Love catching up since I miss you live. Keep up the good work!

[@satsunoryu]

This was really enjoyable to listen to while working. Subbed!

[@steven1303ss]

You think the khan is going to be all mentally scarred if he somehow returns from Commorragh? Kind of like how curze broke vulcan mentally. I imagine if the drukhari has captured him he's certainly being put through the ringer. Great stream as always, and a happy early birthday to you sir.

[@SandmanofTerra]

So I have a theory that he'll be relatively scarred no matter what. One of the things mentioned in the white scars books is that there's a secret fear within the chapter that jaghatai didn't disappear by mistake and he actually abandoned the Imperium so I think they'll do something around that

[@steven1303ss]

​@@SandmanofTerra I can't wait to hear your stream/video about that!

[@maltheri9833]

​@@SandmanofTerraahh. The good ol "I got trapped in the webway don't come looking for me."

[@jonharrison9222]

Given time is a bit negotiable in the webway, he might be finishing off a pack of drukhari in the webway when his troops find him, saying ‘I was only gone a few days!’

[@user-yq3fz9ch5q]

@@jonharrison9222 This true, I forgot that.

[@nathanaelwaltz9006]

Bro once again you've done an amazing job, gave me chills!!! Kudos!!!! I'm looking forward to your next video!!! Keep up the good work!!

[@SandmanofTerra]

Thank you! Will do!

[@stevekeenan9673]

Morty may come back as a dusk raider? Like Gandalf the white...

[@jamiemezs9891]

I notice one thing important that the emperor during the battle of Terra the tide was turned when a human guardsman stepped forward and died for him. Gillaman's case a man who believes in God.❤

[@jacknelson3973]

I was midway through GodBlight, when you made this video 😂. So, had to wait to watch. Have read all Inquisitor books up to current, as well. Thank you for your videos, keep them up!!!

[@altima22689]

Yeah, these stories and the lore supporting them is nothing short of profoundly incredible and scintillating in an era in which the themes in WH40K are missing from all media. I care not for the game itself, but I absolutely love the lore, and these stories have at times brought me to tears, and ive only been into this verse for months. GW is in a unique position to leverage its universe to be bigger in popularity than peak WoW or even LotR.

[@cheesy_87]

Bigger on popularity than LotR? Dude, I really like 40k lore but that's just not gonna happen

[@altima22689]

@@cheesy_87 Never say never. Only a sith deals in absolutes. If Amazon puts Rings of Power money behind their show with Cavill at the helm, it could happen.

[@cheesy_87]

@@altima22689 rings of power is bad. The lord of the rings is THE classic quintessential fantasy story after which all fantasy stories are modelled. They don't even play in the same league. 40K is dark and brutal, it's also sci-fi. It's definitely not for everyone.

[@altima22689]

@cheesy_87 Emphasis on being headed by Henry Cavill. If he has complete creative control, which seems to be the case, the show won't be bad. RoP was written and produced by woke folks that pissed all over the lore. Cavill would never do that, and GW wouldn't have signed if that wasn't the case. Game of Thrones is dark and brutal, and it's one of the best performing shows of all time. The other show on Amazon that has had great success is The Boys, which is very dark and extremely brutal. The other show that has had great success on Amazon is the Expanse, which is heavy Sci-fi. Sci-fi is extremely popular right now. Seems like a match made in heaven. The show has the perfect setting to capitalize on what's really popular: dark and brutal stuff, and science fiction.

[@cheesy_87]

@@altima22689 yes, I agree with all of your points! Just not the one about LotR. Lord of the Rings is THE fantasy property.

[@redluke8119]

One of the coolest scenes in fantasy guilliman coming back full of Emperor

[@FTTLOMS]

Chaos needs a win? Didn't Chaos just split the Galaxy in two? This is the only think GW could have done to challenge the threat of the Tyranids. And regarding victories, the Chaos and evil forces are ALWAYS winning. Sure the Imperium and "good guys" pull out some victories in most of the stories, but there's always something they lose. Something that weakens the Imperium. In my reading of the novels, I have had times when I actually got a little sick of Chaos always winning. That being said, some more permanent damage to Guilliman in this fight would have made it more gritty and cool. Or at least something he must recover from over time.

[@SandmanofTerra]

The great is a really good example. On this book, it's actually said that the great rift is chaos' greatest mistake

[@PeterJDeer]

Yeah seems to me like "always winning" is kinda defined as "always managing to barely not get wiped out, while taking enormous irreplaceable losses."

[@lykos2738]

​@@PeterJDeerWhat are you talking about? Abaddon gets so much love from the BL. All the Chaos champions do.

[@PeterJDeer]

@@lykos2738 what are YOU talking about? I didn't say anything about Abaddon not getting love

[@lykos2738]

@@PeterJDeer I guess I misunderstood your implication then.

[@furrynikkers]

GREAT video. What a story. Well played 👍🏽

[@MrDonKP]

I believe that the reason why so many different voices and words were shared is because of the nature of psychic communication. He's angry and upset about being put on the throne because he had measures in place to help him recover, but instead, someone like Malcador or the custodes captain-general didn't tell anyone and allowed him to be lost to the warp. It's like all of his being is fighting against his own anger in order to tell Guilliman that message, and when he revived him in the garden and gave him the sword, that was the Emperor's way of telling him that he was behind him and that he was doing the right thing. You have to understand that some of the Shamans that gave themselves to the Emperor (the star-child) aren't the Emperor himself , the star-child is. So, some of those beings might have turned on him internally, and he was probably trying to tell Guilliman that he sees him as his son, but that he must be the instrument of his will if he wants to save the Imperium. Basically he was telling Guilliman that he had faith in his son, and the negative half of the conversation was chaos attempting to sabotage the Emperor's recovery plan.

[@thenson1Halo]

Keep up the good work and keep grinding!

[@matt.985]

Great content keep up the great work

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Thanks man. I was totally confused about what happened in this part. I still am confused by what EXACTLY happened, but definitely appreciate the discussion time.

[@SandmanofTerra]

Glad I could help!

[@jacktbc3947]

On the tabletop you can play everything correctly but lose because your opponent does not. Horus and Mortarion lost cause their opponents do something unexpected/dumb that throws them off.

[@alexharris6481]

Would love one of these live streams surrounding Vulkan, the Khan orrrrr Rogal Dorn. Amazing work as always!

[@Dsaberguy]

In the greater daemon being trapped it really that he fell out of sight till remember again as those sack is where all daemon of nurgel are reborn

[@deemerwm]

Brilliant and thought-provoking as usual. How much stronger is the emperor today then in 30 K? Thanks again, William.

[@SandmanofTerra]

Thanks William! And its a great question. Despite the Emperor's soul being split into 2, the part of his soul in the warp continues to swell in power so now we know for example hes able to create imperial saints at a pretty fast rate.

[@_A.d.G_]

The Emperor, although standing on the Throne, has his soul permanently projected in the Warp. He's basically everywhere. Guilliman is the greatest. A note: if ALL Primarchs can be brought back, have you thought about II and XI?

[@SandmanofTerra]

Absolutely! There Emperor actually says that none of the primarchs are beyond redemption

[@Titanscreaming]

That was a gloriously fucking perfect scene and it dayum, emperor be scary.

[@alinmeleandra3175]

I think it was the emperor in the warp that resurrected Gulliman.... the reason is that I think Big E is a 5th God of the Warp so most of his power is in the Warp but, indeed his soul is trapped between two realms (the physical realm and warp). I think that the Golden Throne was designed before (even) the Dark Age of Technology and the Emperor realized that its real purpose was to a soul/power conduit between reality and warp... That's the reason why the Throne had to be used to keep warp from "invading" the reality through the Warp corrupted Webway...

[@ArantyrDarkhand]

He kinda act like a filter for warp powers.

[@tonyscoggs1255]

I had been under the idea that the souls of the Primarch's are warp entities and when a Chaos Prince the warp souls are shunted and they are filled with the power of the chaos god. The reason that the cloned Fulgrim was a success because his warp entity soul entered his body but fulgrim was a demon primarch at the time.

[@azargX]

I think that the dark imperium books all built up to Guilliman having if not faith then understanding of the power of faith and specifically the power that comes from and has built up from the worship of the emperor. It wasn't so much a pulling it out of the bag as the point of the books - to get him to that place of understanding so that he can wield or channel that power later on as needed.

[@ajanssaryfrommaccabia5852]

What an amazing day to be a loyalist.

[@diegomilon7688]

Hey! Happy christmas! Great stream!

[@SandmanofTerra]

Thanks! You too!

[@novanegro88]

Ayo!!😂😂 make that your new catch phrase "God damn! What a scene."

[@SandmanofTerra]

I do need a catch phrase 😂

[@johndelacruz1422]

This brought me to tears.

[@ZombieWomb]

He had gillimen, its the typical death by monologue and i am here for it.

[@male272]

Mortarions attempt was like trying to hire a Rodeo Drive gay as a fry cook in an old neighbourhood New Jersey greasy spoon. Not going to work dude...not going to work...

[@davidmathieson8661]

My personal canon until/if GW ever goes into the details. Is that all the Gods that have ever been believed in, did exist at one point in the immaterium, and through loosing believers they became weaker, the 4 Chaos gods are simply very powerful warp entities that took the de-powered Gods into themselves, Khorne took Gods of war and valor , Nurgle Gods of life and death, Tzeench Gods of knowledge and trickery, Slaanesh Gods of love and experiences, and other such spheres of influence. When the Emperor went in and took power from them (however he did it) he took some of these Gods (possibly all human born) to make tge Primarchs, infusing them with characteristics of those Gods.

[@vaultscribe4501]

I would argue that-at least in the series in question-the ending was more about robute’s issue with becoming or considering himself a god. In that light, the ritual to channel the emperor, accepting the power and weight of conceit that he loathed in his father (alive and undead), was probably always on the table. Robute even has a whole conversation about what makes a god-power, or belief in that power (regardless of the god’s consent) with the eldar and his chief librarian. A lot like Paul in dune, we have a struggle to accept the weight of messiah. We have to figure out what backlash that could mean later. It didn’t work out perfect for Paul. And the epilogue of the story with robute shows him still struggling with accepting the idea’s counter human, counter self determinism. The point is that his accepting godhood might be a loss-a worse loss than chaos winning. Now the warp has a champion.

[@marcingolab6227]

Because the Lion is the best at everything he sets his mind to, he is obviously bound to also be the humblest among the returned primarchs lol

[@Harakiri404]

And Kaldor Draigo goes: "Been there, done that."

[@thesigmaritepainter7803]

Fantastic stream / video!

[@peterga3658]

i thought you make a new video will stop me from keep coming back but nuh these videos are amazing . the fight Mortarion had with bob G was crazy i loved it . the books are amazing. and technically Guiliman didnt die die when fighting Fulgrim he was more like in a artificial koma state.

[@captainlongdik8724]

Emperor talking about nurgle to robot mans ear : His hair? WACK His gear?WACK His jewelry? WACK His foot stance? WACK The way that he talks? WACK The way hat he doesn't even like to smile? WACK Me? I'M TIGHT AS FUCK

[@edselvincentpaull.flores9237]

“ You got the touch moment “ Guilliman when he fought and was resurrected by the Emperor.

[@ianprater3057]

Do you have a video on the fate/ current status of each primarch? I’m pretty new to this lore and was wondering which primarchs are currently alive and their current (if known) whereabouts

[@SandmanofTerra]

I don't but I'll have to do that one!

[@johanstinson]

As far as we know, they are all alive except for the Primarch of the Iron Hands. 2 are back (Bobby G and Lion), the rest are off doing stuff lol

[@steffennilsen2132]

its called deus ex machina, it stems from classic greek theater when complex problems just suddenly gets resolved by the intervention of gods. It was considered lazy writing back then too

[@NancyDLaw]

Rewatch time and as I see I'm not the only one 😂❤❤❤❤

[@PikeyAz]

Sandman should do the audio books

[@peterlockbolvig7518]

Huh... This guy looks like a Luxury Linkara. Fascinating

[@iddqd-bp5yq]

Theoretical: the Emperor is not a god Practical: this shit

[@Uberlei_]

Abbaddon saved when the Chaos gods think he's gonna die, same to same

[@MrIcenice44]

These videos are so good

[@user-rr5oq5nb3p]

Bobby Guiliman mustve been watching Taken before giving that speech. "I will find you..."

[@a1exw152]

Hi sandman. What music do you use in your more recent videos? I can’t find it anywhere :/

[@therecklesswarlock6439]

I want to see this passage animated

[@SandmanofTerra]

That would be epic

[@Aedrion-]

I think the Emperor has been a 'thing' in the warp for a while now. Ever more fragmented, ever more changed and out of touch with himself and his people. Cast adrift. Guilliman was a reminder to him that there is more than endless torment, that there is still something left of his legacy and now that warp-thing he has become, is waking up, finding out it has become something else, something new and it might turn out to be more powerful than any Chaos God.

[@goodgegoodge101]

Also another thought..."redemption" in 40k doesnt usually mean bringing them back into the fold. Much more likely means redemption in death.

[@PhuzzPhactor]

Rule of Cool, dude. Worth it.

[@peterga3658]

i only read books short stories and ofc lore videos ! . im istening when im working bc im bored . when im playing games , at the gym . and when im going to sleep ofc .. but im not playing the game . i do want to get a 4k 3D printer tho to make some of the bigger models i saw on X some amazing dark eldar models in dope stances . i want to create Lilith Hesparex i have seen an amazing figure where she hold down a head, brings her leg above her head and hold it ,its very wierd i loved it .

[@ryant2112]

Sandman, one of the things you talk about is how chaos keeps getting victories stolen from them cheaply. I don’t agree with the Siege of Terra. If anything there… you have Dorn effectively outplay all of chaos so bad that Chaos had to cheat by stopping time itself to “buy time” to then trap the emperor. If that makes sense. Essentially chaos, the imperium, the tyranids… they all win and lose similarly closely. They are stuck writing strong characters carefully. Mortarion did win here. Completely. He was cheated by faith itself. He was cheated by Guilliman embracing something he was so unsure about. Guilliman took a dangerous gamble. He had to talk to his Aeldari witch to ask if it would work and essentially was told he had to have faith. It’s crazy but it doesn’t take away from Mortarion…. It doesn’t take away from chaos. It just shows that each side can sometimes have a gotcha moment. Because they’re all heavy hitters!

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

the imperium has more plotarmor in a basic guardsmen then every other faction combined in its entire history

[@Lost7one]

no one is as good at this as you are, tempo, voice, artwork, background music, 10/10

[@purplewabbit7848]

soundtrack for the scene should be 'In a gadda da vida'

[@Shayaan698]

What's the background music u used at 16:20?

[@SandmanofTerra]

The throne is mine

[@mindlesssheepthing2662]

I'm glad people get upset that Chaos always loses when they are absolutely sure they should win. Hubris must be punished, it's a good life lesson.

[@justinbruck9602]

The part about being able to separate Mortarion is interesting now that we have seen the Emperor amputate a portion of his own soul. Essentially it's the same thing right, just a little snip snip on a chaos god. I'd have faith in any surgeon who does their own open heart surgery.

[@natebartels1444]

What music did you use to make it?

[@seanhayden6024]

Loving these videos making me want the books! My problem is god i hate reading ha are all these on audio books? Mite have 2 look in 2 it

[@thegreatwhitegoat2882]

The way I see it. If it wasn't for the Eldar Farseerer. The librarians would have been clueless on how to save Guilleman. I believe the Eldar showed them how to bring a form of the Emperor's avatar into Guilleman. Just my opinion of course but it makes the most sense to me.

[@Tsujanryo]

At some point both factions or fractions of are going to have to start working together. Uncle Aeldari is gonna have to reveal some things to it's Nephew Mon'keigh so they can defeat Chaos once & for all in order to heal and rebalance the galaxy. As a fledgling fan who knows but a wee bit, I'd say that'd involve secrets of the webway getting it working, & finding some kind of weapon or tool that can seal Chaos portals &/or remand souls from the Chaos gods themselves.

[@jeffk862]

Speaking of the final battle between the Emperor and Horus, has anyone ever thought of the fact that maybe the Emperor used Horus' true name against him to defeat him?

[@clyntonkeel334]

Plus Enuncia ??

[@jeffk862]

@clyntonkeel334 I mean it would make sense for the Emperor to know the true names of his sons, as a fail safe. If anyone would know it would be him and Malcador. I'm sure he knew about True Names and also Enuncia. If the Emperor really couldn't beat Horus one on one, then he would need hax. Like controlling Horus with his own name and making him destroy himself or something along those lines. I'm guessing some kind of hax definitely

[@bobloerakker7010]

That's enough...Harry. Horus: NOOooo!

[@johncolvin2754]

Your a wizard harry😂​@@bobloerakker7010

[@droopybg]

Wasn't horus separated from chaos by that point already, but decided he was still doing the right thing, based on the vision he saw?

[@seanbrazell7095]

Oh, oh, ohhh no! Not the little Nurglings too!

[@triples2745]

After reading Plague Wars and the Charadon Campaign, Typhus makes Mortarion look incompetent compared to him after he managed to defeat the Imperial defenders of Metalica and plagued the system. So when saying Chaos always loses is factually wrong.

[@seanbrazell7095]

I think the way the emperor spoke to Guilliman reborn in the throne room was because each seperate shard of his consciousness spoke separately simultaniously. Also, the fact that he called Guilliman his last son/ tool/thing means that he ISN'T the one helping the Lion. That can only mean the emperor's last shard HAS to be the one responsible. That means it's on the other side of the rust and not in contact with the rest of himself on terra. So when Guilliman meets the Lion, the Shard will also meet the rest of himself, making that reunion infinitely more amazing!

[@leeboy26]

'Somehow Guilliman returned... again'

[@blagerthorpnonersense1894]

In a battle with Guilleman could Mortarian have afforded to pay attention to the psychers? Sounds like a distraction that could have gotten him killed.