Was the Original God of War Trilogy as good as I remember? - A look at the games that shaped Kratos

[@TheSaltFactory]

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[@kaidorade1317]

Two Salt Factory videos in one month?! How can too much Salt be bad for you?

[@sheeptime7441]

Super excited for this. I love your stupid voice.

[@animalisticprik]

GoW is one of my all time favorites, I remember watching my dad play it before I was even allowed to. Super hype for this video and any other GoW content you pursue, thank you TSF.

[@lucaspinckard3945]

I wish we got weekly videos from you. However I realize, along with streaming, you probably have a full time job as well.

[@kyle857]

I mean, you are not particularly good at criticism, so you might as well give a synopsis of the new ones, too.

[@Stormfin]

I love that Hercules was the only person Kratos actually tried to talk down.

[@koncewiczd]

It was also neat that they got kevin sorbo to voice act him, the same guy who was famous for being hercules in the tv series

[@resid3nt3v1l]

Percius is also same actor as clash and wraith of the titans and he did thought of it as a continuation of his roles from those

[@marcusclark1339]

technically he does throughout he just keeps getting the same answer (no)

[@Hoscue]

​@@koncewiczdthe same guy who went on to make the horrendous god's not dead movies

[@littlebird7383]

His story is actually taken from Heracles’s story.

[@IAmBretticus]

Your understanding of plumbing and proper pipe installation is truly inspirational. I wish more modern video games took the time to teach their players useful trade skills like Aphrodite does.

[@user-nd3ks4mi7b]

He must have learned from the master :Jonny Sins

[@DearAnem0ia]

Had me on the first half, not gonna lie

[@ultratoons6636]

My favorite part about the ending of three is that Athena put hope into the box in the intention to have Kratos open it and kill zues. She was hoping to have Kratos give it to her so she could become the Supreme diety of Greece. Throughout the entire series Kratos is being used by everyone. Then he drives the sword through himself refusing to be used again. Love it

[@Ronbotnik]

honestly insanely good writing all around in the original trilogy. its a shame they get so disrespected by the Norse reboot, everyone acts like Kratos was just a sex crazed caveman with no emotions or character depth whatsoever.

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

@@Ronbotnik Blame game journalists for that. One of them comes out with the idea that Kratos's entire character before 2016 was "angry man kill people" and the rest of them went with it. Even after the dumbass responsible admitted to basing his claim off of playing 2016 and the demo of GoW3 *only*. Never touched the series outside of the reboot and a demo of the final game in the trilogy, yet somehow he knew the character better than people who had been playing the games since that original PS2 release.

[@alexanerose4820]

@@AngelBatistaa TBF the original plan was for Odin and Ra to come in after Zeus's death because of the power vacuum it left behind and after killing the popular pantheons for Kratos to become one of the three wisemen that came to Jesus Christ. So, fighting an invading Pantheon while trying to live in Greece in peace would've worked. Instead we got this whole "emotional" story in Ragnarok which should've been a 2-parter. Not bad but ended up being meh compared to the first GOW 2016

[@everythingsalright1121]

Everyone hated the suicide ending in gow 3 at the time this game came out. I remember people online complaining about it so much

[@DelCause]

@@Ronbotnik To be fair both mythological character of Kratos is seen as a mad-driven vessel that just kills things, he has inputs, opinions, and thoughts, but everything is run down the drain when action is required to take place. Also, the personality portrayed in the game, even though some think it is thought-provoking and deep, for the ancient Greek philosophic point of view, he is still nothing but a menace that also has the minimum amount of thinking and ethos in him.

[@GearShotgun]

One of my favorite moments playing GoW 3 is using the “Fear Kratos” Costume, which quadruples the damage you deal and receive. It makes the game super easy since you can kill most enemies before they hit you, but it also makes everything really cinematic, since your zipping from scene to scene in a very action movie kinda way. For example, the opening battle with the horse monsters goes from you whaling on them for a minute or so to them showing up and you tearing them apart in like 10-15 seconds before transitioning to the next part, which makes the whole battle feel like one seamless and continues scene.

[@Dravianpn02]

On hardest difficulty without upgrades, you die in one hit a lot. I love it because of it's glass cannon nature.

[@jenpachi2408]

Good idea for a possible stream gow3 but I'm a glass canon lol

[@jiensayyer]

You can use hercules shoulder guard item to mostly negate the damage

[@Sneaky_racoon_sly]

I am playing it on Titan right now and on chaos it of would make me insane because the game is really unfair in some points.​@@Dravianpn02

[@minerman60101]

You've gotta check out the two PSP spinoffs (which were ported to PS3). Their gameplay may not hold up to the best of the trilogy, but in story terms they add a lot of depth to Kratos.

[@coldflame94]

You're wrong about the gameplay, it holds up pretty well and is really underrated in both games. They have some of the best secondary weapons in the series, new and original enemies that you can't find in the og trilogy and you can chain some crazy combos if you know what you're doing.

[@Triptych789]

The PSP spin-offs were my introduction to the God of war series and I hold those very dear to my heart so I would love to see him check out those games also

[@marnixmaximus3053]

I remember beating the PSP games but not the ps2 ones

[@Dravianpn02]

​​@@marnixmaximus3053beat the ps2 games. You're genuinely missing out if you haven't already.

[@rodneyabrett]

True story, I was at a GDC conference back when both God of War 3 for PS3 and Ghosts of Sparta for PSP were out. I was talking with the director of God of War 3, Stig Asmussen in an open mic discussion and brought up Ghosts of Sparta developed by Ready and Dawn and asked what he thought of the game. Without hesitation, the first thing he said was that he personally felt that Ready and Dawn made a far superior God of War game than Santa Monica did. That's some high praise for a PSP game, but I agree. I absolutely loved Ghosts of Sparta. It's probably my favorite of the older games.

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

I’ll never forget the end fight with Aries at the end of the original God of War. I have an older brother and there used to be the cliche of “beat the boss for me bro.” The fight with Ares was the first time me and my brother encountered a boss that _he_ couldn’t beat. It felt like a legit irl level up when I beat him lol felt so satisfying and my older bro was so hype 😂

[@patrickt101]

That actually sounds so awesome chief, good looks and thanks for sharing! :) makes me wish I was clutching for my lil bros like that when we played together hahaha, pretty sure I just screenpeaked them right back tho most of the times 😂

[@DieEineMieze]

Bro says he never forgets the fight, but calls him Aries even after editing his comment hahahaha

[@OhNoJoshEdits]

@@DieEineMieze Ares. Who seriously cares. My bad I didn’t use the proper Greek spelling when I was stoned and left my comment. I was more or less concerned about it making actual sense. 👌🏻

[@I_am_a_cat_]

​@@OhNoJoshEdits HOW DARE YOU

[@brofenix]

Daaaamn~

[@Wolf-bz6kq]

Fun fact: originally the developers wanted kratos to die after the first game to make it feel more like a Greek tragedy but the producers thought it was too depressing (also hoping for sequel)

[@DearAnem0ia]

"It'd be too depressing", they said before making the most depressing story possible

[@hannahw7023]

As if Kratos didn't die and come back to life like 3 times

[@Ale-dd3ek]

It would have been much better Never liked the idea of Kratos taking on Other gods because reasons He didn't do what he did for shit and giggles

[@Dario-z4g]

It still is, he never got what he wanted, he still was suffering having been given just enough to keep living so he would be under the thumb of the gods with nothing else to cope with but to keep the same cicle that put him where he is

[@yuzusauce]

I, too, bought a PS3 just to play the GoW trilogy and it was so worth it

[@shawklan27]

Better than the new ones in my opinion

[@urekmazino6800]

​@@shawklan27ehh totally different games hard to compare them.

[@adamzk8762]

Emulators my friend it’s free

[@varununofficial6967]

@@adamzk8762 Try playing GoW 3 in RPCS3, it's a nightmare

[@homedeath4583]

goofy @@shawklan27

[@hiarus8850]

You should definitely make videos about what you unconditionally love if you feel like it It might not be the most analytical content but it cannot be overstated how fun is it to hear someone gushing over what they enjoy

[@ASpooneyBard]

Agreed, especially since most of the VG content these days is just anger and hatred.

[@Dorraj]

This is why a channel like CinemaWins is so much more enjoyable to watch than CinemaSins. The "complaints" this guy has about these games are so incredibly arbitrary that it feels like he was grasping as hard as he could about what to find to complain about. I wish there were more reviews about how fun a game is and less about trying to nitpick things they didn't like about it.

[@finnster3276]

I agree !

[@BigFatCone]

@@Dorraj Wins and Sins doesn't fill the same roles though. Sins is just stupid fun while Wins is an actual analysis.

[@Mr.SatanicTurkey]

Very surprised you didn’t mention having Kratos pushing his daughter’s soul away with button smashes, I remember that being one of the most savage things I had ever seen in a game at that age

[@sgtsmith501]

Not part of the original trilogy unfortunately

[@TheFirstCurse1]

That wasn't in the main trilogy. It was in one of the other 3 games, either Chains Of Olympus, Ascension, or Ghost Of Sparta.

[@Buenopablito]

@@TheFirstCurse1it was in Chains of Olympus, when you kill Persephone (mentioned and used in GOW 3) and chained Atlas to hold the world (Mentioned in GOW 2).

[@darkapostate8358]

Perseus was indeed the same Perseus from Clash of the Titans. Same appearance, gear, and voice actor. Super cool. Hercules was also Kevin Sorbo. Nice. It is really cool that they went so far as to tie everything together.

[@MultiKamil97]

That was Harry Hamlin? Oh damn.

[@ASpooneyBard]

And Rip Torn is a crazy old weirdo with confusing motivations and methods... and also plays Hephaestus in GOW III.

[@ILOVEPAIN24]

lol

[@OtterThunder]

I really liked the added touch of the Kraken being an amalgamation of horse and water beast, since it reflects that Poseidon was also the god of horses and the sea..

[@Oneforgettable]

The Kraken was the squid monster he killed in the second game, I think you mean the hippocampi from the third game?

[@AfromanRants]

Hippocampi and Kraken are not the same thing.

[@Ultrahuntr]

I usually find your videos years/months after they come out, glad to finally see one when it's fresh!

[@axelo255]

Quite literally the exact here.

[@BabyKobeeee]

Lmfao just subscribe

[@Ultrahuntr]

@@BabyKobeeee I've had YT since 06, my subscriptions mean nothing to my tastes 🤣 I love organically finding content and watching like 3 videos from the same person in a row lol

[@MutantCyborg001]

​@@Ultrahuntrweird flex but ok

[@somenerd510]

I'm also confused regarding "My subscriptions mean nothing to my tastes" as it'd be a pretty clear indicator of the type of content you find tasteful/like.

[@justincider8892]

Climbing that spikey tower at the end of GoW 1 was a nightmare without getting hit once.

[@Dood_Spooce]

Recently got through it on my 4th try during my recent playthrough and I felt pretty good about myself

[@Dravianpn02]

Stay to the wall and climb at a diagonal angle, barely moving back and forth when needed. Move into, at an angle, to the spikes to reach a gap. That's the secret. As well as touching the wall to wait when needed. Wall won't knock you down.

[@TheCheeseMovesSideways]

That and the underworld is just clear bad design on their part, obviously due to the budget. Right after the amazingly perfect Pandora's Temple too which is a shame

[@geofff.3343]

The thing is that the first God of War does so well. It's set up like a classic Greek tragedy. You have a person of reputation (a Spartan captain), who succumbs to his hubris (pride in his combat, making a deal with Ares), and he learns that no matter how much of his anger he uses it will never make things right. At the end he is ultimately brought to be humble before the power of the gods and Fate, and in the end he shuffles off the mortal coil in ultimate nemesis (the punishment he deserves). It gets modern touches as modern audiences don't like Classical Tragedy so much, but it's a good structure for a game about Greek mythology. The second and third aren't nearly as story-tight.

[@STRIKER_374]

I legit thought this video was just about the first game. But realizing it's about the first 3 games was the best gift I could have gotten.

[@Teyovio]

Every Time Salt Uploads a new video, i literally jump up in joy

[@Fubwub]

same :)

[@blobfish2624]

Same!

[@Arth950]

Yup

[@prowsy102]

Salt says "New vid", we say "how high"

[@veli-pekkahuovinen1457]

Same

[@trustytrest]

The one fight that stands out to me even a decade later in GoW 3 was the one where you return to the underworld temporarily and have a long, long gauntlet fight with a cerberus. When I played on Titan difficulty, it was by far the hardest boss, even more than Zeus. I don't know why that one section was so ruthless, but I don't think you even showed it in the video. Guess different strokes for different folks.

[@erdinc2590]

That boss was almost impossible without spamming the exiles magic attack, satyrs and cerberus is just brutal. That fight made me look up a guide on how to kill it. It id extremely easy on god and spartan mkde but on Chaos mode it was near impossinle

[@alastor8091]

It was the Satyrs. Pain in the ass in all 3 main games.

[@Dravianpn02]

On a PAIN run for 3, that was absolutely the hardest hurdle next to the scorpion fight where, in that run, everything one shots you because of no upgrades.

[@malafakka8530]

That one took me a few hours over a few days on chaos. The scorpion was equally annoying. I don't remember how long he took me, though.

[@2ndeaster]

What I love about the original trilogy is how the world felt impossibly big even with the limitation of PS2. The elaborate room with moving gears and floor and such feels so alienating but a definite staple of the series. The cube caverns from 3 and Horse statue from 2 probably my favorite because the sheer scale of it alone.

[@rezanox6699]

God of War 1 and 2 were my favorite games I beat with my dad. I loved this game series and the memories made while playing with him, and I'm happy to see it's still as amazing as I remember it

[@justalurker3489]

...so did you just not do the sex scenes or?

[@perryekimae]

"Kratos, hurry!" is a 10/10 underrated moment in gaming history

[@thecrazedgamer5767]

God of war was literally the reason I wanted and got a PlayStation when I was a kid. Special series of games. Love em. Thanks for doing this video on it Salt. Look forward to what’s next.

[@lukescrew1981]

The 2000's really were the golden age for gaming

[@iwuvu5940]

It really was, I miss it so much

[@BigFatCone]

As someone who has been playing since before the NES, pretty much every year is golden. There were tons of really great games that came out in the 10's and the 20's haven't been bad either this far.

[@wungomungo6177]

The line about tearing aphrodite's head off choked me on my water so hard I nearly passed out

[@AfifFarhati]

someone else said the exact same thing is there something i missed that makes it extra funny? i mean don't get me wrong the wording is funny , but is it THAT funny? is there something i'm missing here or did it just catch you off guard? genuine question here i have no intention of being condecending or disrespectful...

[@TheCheeseMovesSideways]

​@@AfifFarhatiit's funny because it's Aphrodite

[@mihaicapatana6893]

Omg i laughed so much at the plumbing segment. Only to end with"i was ready to tear the bitch head off" pure magic

[@filipvadas7602]

To be fair, Kratos killing Poseidon and Haded in the first third of the game gets across that the rest of the game will be a genuine *slaughter* It also enthasises how consumed by fear Zeus was. Instead of all 3 brothers just jumping Kratos together ,he decided to literally throw all of Olympus's defenses at him first and only showed back up once *literally everyone else was dead* , leaving him to kill Kratos on his own and leading to the outcome he dreaded.

[@Mattznick]

the short answer is yes they still hold up and are better games than the 2018 and Ragnorok games easily

[@alastor8091]

My man. B-)

[@bugbeast21]

Yes. Yes it was

[@tacla]

Lol i literally said this in my head before clicking the video hoping someone would comment this. Thank you for that 😂

[@j2c695]

Next video

[@iwuvu5940]

I still have great memories of playing the original 3 games

[@sreenaths6829]

Yes and then some

[@reDeuxinc]

I’m so glad you’re covering this; these games shaped my gaming taste.

[@Lloyd00]

GoW 3 is so damn good! The fights, the spectacle, the sense of scale, the brutality and the amazing music!!

[@markeyestone9980]

I really like the way the boss fight against Zeus in 3 ending in first person mirrors the fight against Poseidon at the beginning ending in a first person perspective from Poseidon's point of view

[@RugbyWannabe]

Can we just all agree that his description of the Aphrodite scene is absolute creative genius 😂

[@deiradinn]

Much prefer the older GOW games to the "insert Cory Barlog" as Kratos.

[@MrVic989]

Fun fact the Perseus in the game was voiced by Harry Hamlin, the actor who played Perseus in the original Clash of the Titans movie.

[@BigFatCone]

And Hercules is voiced by Kevin Sorbo, who played Hercules in the Xena spin-off. And in Xena as well.

[@WoobertAIO]

8:00 Ok so, gotta disagree with you on that point. The reason Kratos didn't help the captain wasn't because Kratos doesn't have empathy, but because he does. The captain of the ship abandoned his men to save himself, something that Kratos, being a feared and respected military leader of the Spartan army would never have done himself, just as he shows repeatedly throughout the series.

[@rustyshackelford4224]

Are you sure this is fancanon?

[@TheOneTrueMar]

Honestly... for as good as the sequels (not sure how they can be viewed as reboots) were, I prefer the original trilogy. Simple story and big focus on what trully matters - gameplay. OG Kratos is great hack and slash series.

[@Morfe02]

Is more original, like now you have the Ubisoft greek Games but you have no other Game myth telling gore and power fantasy with sex (not just "It was 2000" but because also in the myths they go crazy like this with Zeus and Heracles "i have 500 kids" ) Norse was use like in 20 Games i would say and like 10 did right i guess

[@victory8928]

The original trilogy also has much better platforming due to the fact that you can actually jump and have proper vertical mobility instead of what we have in the newer game

[@chris_player2995]

i liked the QTEs in the old trilogy... yeah you read that right , i dont want kratos doing cool shit while i just watch the psp / ps3 gow games did qtes better by putting the prompts on each side like : circle (right) square (left) and so

[@vasilgevezov3424]

The end of 3 and all the Pandora stuff makes more sense if you have played Chains of Olympus on the PSP as it has scenes with Kratos and his daughter. I would recommend playing the PSP games if you have not, they are fun.

[@OverlordParadox]

Everytime game journalists or redditors say that Kratos matured, became selfless character that learned the meaning of sacrifice and grew up to be a family man in the new games I immediately know they didn't even bother to play the old trilogy (plus psp games) and have no idea what they are talking about.

[@topcat59]

This is the main reasons why I believe we should never acknowledge journalist as gamers or people.🐱

[@Dorraj]

I mean, there's a difference between learning the meaning of something, and applying that to your life. The former is Kratos in the original games, the latter is Kratos in the new ones. Kratos looking back at his past and not wanting to repeat it is the most basic form of emotional maturity, and that's absolutely what he lacked in the original games.

[@9o638]

Why

[@yellowcard8100]

@@Dorraj My personal issue (that plenty of videos have talked about) is the fact that people act like Kratos was some 2 Dimensional character who was just "angry for no reason". GOW4 works because GOW1-3 has character be this tragic person with some depth. Dude's a broken man. Things like Chains of Olympus or Ascension show it off more. Like how badly he didn't want to kill Ares' son.

[@Dorraj]

@@yellowcard8100 Well unfortunately CoO was tied to a mobile console that most people did not have, most people don't even know the portable games existed. And for whatever reason people hated Ascension. I legit didn't even know it had come out until multiple years into the PS4s life. It's a problem that a lot of people have when discussing a lot of video games. Everyone thinks characters are always written one-dimensionally. They expect a character to act one way and one way only, with 0 change throughout the games, and if they do change, it's either "revolutionary" or absolutely hated beyond belief (coughTLoU2cough)

[@UglyWinnie]

For me, the trilogy is so much better than the last 2 ones

[@chris_player2995]

i didnt play ragnarok but i dont intent to, gow 2018 bored me

[@Tekkenandgaming]

@@chris_player2995i thought you said you didn’t play it

[@moonlight-vk6gg]

God of war 1 circle button mashing had no mercy

[@rruhland]

It’s kinda sad that the first thing I think of when I hear David Jaffe isn’t the fact that he designed the iconic God of War series, but that he raged out over not being able to solve one of the most simple rooms in Metroid Dread.

[@Ronbotnik]

yeah......im not sure what happened to David Jaffe after Twisted Metal Black and the original GoW trilogy. Its like some wiring in his head came loose, he just doesnt even seem like the same person anymore and it really shows both in his work and how he carries himself.

[@Cableguy15]

@@Ronbotnik Happened to a lot of prolific game devs in the 2010s, sadly. Social media rotted their minds, or showed us all how rotten their minds already were. I call it the Phil Fish effect. :D

[@PresidentKony]

remember getting the game around launch as a kid and watching G4 Tech's "Cheat!" (when Kirsten first became host) to learn about the hidden phone number you could call and hear Kratos answer with Jaffre saying thank you for the support

[@Arkalidor]

About God Of War 1 not ending on a sad note: not having played the game, I do not know the general tone of the scene, so I'm not sure how it's handled, but to me, nabbing Kratos off the water and plopping him down on the god of war throne seems like even more punishment. All he wants is for it all to be over, and making him god of war just means it will keep going on, he will keep being tortured by his memories, and even death is no longer an option...

[@OdinArrow28]

“God of war starts off with the lead singer of disturbed” made almost choke while I was eating 😂 fucking brilliant lmao

[@cjtherandomizer7638]

Weird side thing, but I can’t think of David Jaffe now without his thing over Metroid Dread. But man, he created something awesome

[@jonasjojofalco9896]

What thing

[@cjtherandomizer7638]

@@jonasjojofalco9896 when Metroid Dread came out, he streamed the game and got stuck on a room for 2 hours. He had to shoot the ceiling, and everything pointed to that being the solution. After that, he rage quit and deleted the game. He also said that was horrible game design, when everyone called him out, he doubled down on it and made several videos on it. This made people lose a lot of respect in him as a game developer

[@geniusgamerr4517]

@@cjtherandomizer7638nah he got worst even with recent videos

[@stigmaoftherose]

"It's like throwing batteries into the ocean, it just feels right." Explain. Explain.

[@kaylanpatel00]

Would love to see ur opinion of the other Norse god of war games

[@Mr.ANDERSONYOURASCAL]

What I really love about gow 3 is that every weapon is just as useful and stylish to use as the other. The problem being that a certain "someone" (totally not me) just can't let go of the nemean cestus

[@venomherlet2825]

"The lead singer of Disturbed" Damn it. When I heard that I immediately jumped to "I'm indestructible!!" and that doesn't fit with Kratos' attempted suicide at all xD Anyway, for me I like the most GOW 1. Then GOW 1 the second, GOW 3, 2, Ascension, and the rest I either didn't play or don't remember enough to rank. GOW 1 is still the only one I beat multiple times a day though :).

[@firmak2]

For what in bananas reason is GOW 1 above 3?

[@venomherlet2825]

Because while GOW 3 definitely looked better, had better combat and all those things, the more I think about it, the more it feels to me just like a slaughter fest instead of a deep character story. Some mindless fun can of course be good, but in case of GOW it doesn't work for me.

[@miroslav3196]

Man, real talk: this episode has had your funniest bits and edits yet. I'm not even done watching it but every once in a while I have to pause to laugh to myself for 15 seconds straight. Well fucking done.

[@squeethemog213]

While I haven't gotten to Ragnarok yet I truly appreciate this series. Thank you for covering it man 😃

[@Dravianpn02]

It's the worst in the series. It's Marvel phase 4 writing and an extremely rushed game. It's almost a joke in that regard. Watch Under the mayo's video on it. He is wrong about some things but he's spot on on Ragnarok. As is the video "ragnarok : a modern disaster" or whatever it's called.

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

​@@Dravianpn02the lowest tier bait I've ever seen. Let the man play first to decide for himself. Also bringing up that rеtаrd Mayo truly shows severe lack of comprehension skills on your part.

[@Dravianpn02]

@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э you haven't played the first 3 or you wouldn't be saying what you are saying with the confidence you believe you have. You must have missed the part where I admitted he can be wrong. Only reading issues here is you. Your defense of Ragnarok tells me you consume product and don't think critically about anything you put time into as long as it's shiny and ad formulaic as possible. The idea Ragnarok is some great game means you lack the mental maturity to admit flaws and again show you haven't played the originals and are poor at comparing things or again, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

[@Dragonoid9810]

If you haven't already, I recommend checking out a video about The Man Who Broke God of War in Half. It's all about the OG speedrunning community surrounding the first GOW back when it was first released, and it's actually really interesting seeing some of the skips they'd discovered back then

[@cloudbloom]

Ooh I'll have to check that out thanks

[@andrewmeyer3599]

That video is really good

[@johncruelty1]

these games portray how life in greece is perfectly

[@Setorrs]

The answer is simple: YES. Onwards to something else.

[@kewldude23xx]

48:10 that "back and forth " in Kratos ' emotions is what I experience with my bipolar disorder. Any emotion is amplified to 200% . One day I care for for a person , and the next day that person means nothing to me . Thats why I always identified with Kratoes and understand every single decision he has made in all the games .

[@beatthebyte7058]

Really late to the party but at the beginning of GoW2, you are led to believe that Athena is the one attacking you, shrinking you and assaulting you with the colossus, because of the initial confrontation in the opening cutscene and because of what looks like an owl (a symbol of Athena) flying around. HOWEVER, when said bird is revealed to be Zeus morphed into an eagle (one of Zeus’ symbols), it’s revealed that Zeus is the one who animated the colossus all along and was the one who attacked Kratos in his giant form, and so Athena wasn’t even involved at all

[@cyjoker333]

Great video. In my eyes 2010 almost rivals 2007 as the greatest year in video game releases. Both were fantastic years but 2007 just barely wins. But Keep up the good work. You're delivery and humor always make the videos top notch.

[@acey6991]

Really was craving some more content just like this. Thank salt!

[@joeburch6754]

22:10 my sleep paralysis demon and i getting ready to beat the shit out of each other 24:34 HOLD DEVIL'S POT OF TEA

[@shagohad3]

Just a slight correction. DMC didnt branch out from Onimusha. It was originally an early build of RE4, with Dante spawning from the character of Tony Redgrave. The build was under Kamiya's direction, and once the glitch was discovered, Mikami begged Capcom not to throw it out. Thus, DMC was born.

[@proxymoxie7882]

He was saying that a game play mechanic resulted from Onimusha, and that DMC itself was out of RE. 0:40

[@shagohad3]

@@proxymoxie7882 He said during Onimusha's development, a bug happened that inspired RE4. It didnt, that bug was in the same beta of RE4 that became DMC.

[@proxymoxie7882]

@@shagohad3 if you watched what I clipped you would hear "it inspired a core game play mechanic of DMC - a game that also started as a direct result from RE" it was not said that DMC branched from Onimusha.

[@Rithysak101]

All three of these games are still super replayable to this day. They don't waste your time with pointless padding and the boss battles are super exhilarating.

[@redroC171]

for anyone who's curious, Euryale is pronounced like yoor-EYE-a-lee

[@Myluz12]

Ooh at the back of my head I was thinking Uriel. I forgot that character is different.

[@wileywells6810]

I have the most vivid memory of playing gow 3 for the first time and fighting poseidon in the beginning and the qte makes you click l3 +r3 and Kratos thumbs him in the eyes. My jaw hit the floor and I was so stoked to play the rest of it.

[@thesenate4743]

Poseidon fight is the best "first bossfight" ever happened to a Videogame.......an absolute Banger

[@Ronbotnik]

an absolutely banger way to kick off a game, ive played GoW reboot + ragnarok to 100% and I struggle to remember any details as clearly as i can remember GoW3 and its been like a decade. they truly dont make em like they used to

[@PapaSouli]

God of war 2 is still my favourite games to this day - the combat, the story and the voice acting was incredible you really felt like a total badass.

[@yaro42]

I recently played trought gow 2 and 3 again, and man, they're as fun as it was when I played it in school

[@thegamingnating6446]

Great video. While i personally never played these growing up after watching this i can at least appreciate them and hell now i might see how the story continues with the newer games

[@jorgecardoso5863]

Aw man, It would be really, really great if you followed on to the God of War norse games. Hearing your opinion on them would be dope!

[@_CrimsonBlade]

Those are awful

[@Dorraj]

Yeah can't wait for him to find the weirdest takes on trying to find something to complain about.

[@chapman2001]

@@_CrimsonBladebest games oat

[@atari_black8113]

Poseidon's kill cam is the only example of second person gameplay I know of.

[@justinharris2272]

Salt Factory is a must watch every time you bless my feed bro, thank you for such excellent, consistent content :)

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

49:17 - Because Zues is his father... so if he ganked Zues before he could bone down with Kratos' mortal mom, Kratos doesn't ever exist, and NONE of the potential time lines would remotely matter... * From here it's all about trying to get Pandora's Box into position to be opened... Phrasing! ; )

[@LordReginaldMeowmont]

You should cover older games like N64 and PS1 games. I always love watching your reviews.

[@wyate2295]

Agreed

[@brandonlyon730]

Resident evil could be fun, especially if he compares the remakes to the originals.

[@andrewkotris1183]

I was originally bummed you didn’t do the new ones as well and make it a 4 hour banger but honestly this has quickly become one of my fav vide so this and the chronicles of Elyria lmao

[@tomassadil324]

Even today, I love GoW trilogy and I prefer it over the new installment. I honestly don't think that literal god of war should be as vulnerable as Kratos is now. Honestly GoW trilogy in at least 144 fps is what I need right now. They should remaster / remake it for PC.

[@chris_player2995]

yeah too bad there isnt even a fanmade project for pc

[@MusicMedic5150]

I must say this is your best video yet salt. You injected more humor (the Rube Goldberg bit in particular) and it sounded like you really enjoyed making this one. Keep up the great content.

[@casedistorted]

I always liked how the ending of GoW1 you become the God of War and you have the chains super powerful and are basically a Demi god. But of course in God of War 2 they can’t have you be that OP and just up the ante, so they take away your powers like in every Metroid game. I remember wondering when I beat Super Metroid as a kid in 1994 or 1995 thinking “man! The next Metroid game will be wild since Samus has that rainbow hyper beam now and is super powerful!” But at least Metroid Fusion finally came out 7 whole years later (I waited a LONG time), and there was story reasons why she was so weak again and lost everything.

[@Connorbland72]

The spike floor puzzle in the first game sent me insane. It took me a stupid amount of attempts pushing that damn box.

[@Dieselbird]

I know its probably a ways away, but I cant wait for the Starfield video! Thanks for the revisit into my rage filled sessions of trying to platinum these games lol, and the way these games have evolved over the years really speaks for the folks at Santa Monica Studios!

[@jonnybarnes18]

I beat the first game in 05 on my first deployment. The 2nd one in 08 on my 2nd deployment and the last one in 2010 on leave from my 3rd deployment. These games are permanently seared into my brain along with the good battles I served in Iraq with. I’m old as hell.

[@MrDalisclock]

Looking forward to your video on Dragon Age Inquisition whenever you're ready.

[@sigma1932]

Fun fact: Hercules in these games was voiced by Kevin Sorbo, who played Hercules in the 90's TV series of the same name (Well, "Hercules: the Legendary Journies")

[@AR-ix8fq]

You should do the first 3 prince of persia games as well.

[@Morellen]

If you like PoP, I finished A Video Game has a great video on the entire series if you haven't seen it already, but I feel like you probably have - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6CZq6p7rdRmoNk&

[@cheekibreeki904]

Somehow I think the Sands of Time trilogy might be more up his alley.

[@animalisticprik]

More God of War? Yes, please.

[@kalibbailey6219]

The lack of emphasis on the quote where aries justifies having kratos kill his family "to create the perfect warrior" and kratos saying "you succeeded" as he kills him. - tragic

[@bellmike89]

loved the Philadelphia Eagle defensive line shoutout at 1:02:00 Go Birds 🦅

[@Funmotion7]

In reference to the complaints about GoW 2'a story kinda unraveling a little towards the end at 49:00... yeah, it can feel strange and jarring. The quest to kill the Fates has been incredibly stressful and emotionally wounding for Kratos, and it first starts creeping in visually for us against Theseus with the door-decapitation, as he puts his rage on full display for all to see, but getting the Rage of the Titans, specifically from the ASHES OF PROMETHEUS, was really wounding for him. The rage he's accessing is the re-opened wounds of his family's murder, all the abuse and manipulations he suffered at the hands of the gods, all the things that have been taken from him and denied to him only to see him suffer. He snaps fully and goes off the deep end in GoW 2, because (to the Greeks) allying with the Titans is akin to a Christian making pacts with Satan directly. There's still hints of him showing mercy throughout 2 (E.g., Sparing Typhon, trying to help Prometheus, trying to spare Theseus, etc) but time and time again his attempts to be a better person are actively discouraged by anyone and everyone he meets... So he commits fully to not caring about anything else, getting more and more brutal and sadistic as it goes on, embracing what everyone else says ablut him, as well as his own self-hatred, and lashes out at the rest of the world, and especially at Zeus. Also it doesn't have a huge place in the rest of the rant, but killing the last Spartan in this world (other than himself) was the point where he truly snapped with rage at Zeus, and committed to making sure Zeus would not just be killed, but that he would suffer first, before being allowed to die. Killing Athena was another big moment for Kratos, actually. This was always something that I assumed, but based on how literally every other god speaks to him in 3, I think the god he was closest to during his stay on Olympus. He thinks she betrayed him in the beginning, but realized it was Zeus and not her. She was working for Zeus, but he didnt bare any malice toward her, and never intended for her to get caught up in him killing Zeus. However, when she says that every other god will stop at nothing but to deny him his revenge, his attempts at peace, and that KRATOS is at fault and needs to stop... He says "fuck it". Since they clearly all agreed that he Kratos was their enemy, he would treat them as such. He goes back in time to grab the Titans (which, btw was always Gaia's plan) to bring the greatest enemies of Olympus to their doorstep from the moment of the Titan's height of power, after the gods of Forging, Tactics and War (Also Thanatos but whatever) no longer existed on Olympus. Kratos was going to get his revenge, and if his family wanted to step in and side with his asshole dad, then they're all just as bad as Zeus. No more mercy, no more kindness, no more pain for Kratos, all he has left is to kill Zeus, so he will do just that, and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING will get in his way anymore. In GoW 1 we see a mortal warrior die and become a god. In GoW 2 we see a god stripped of his grace, tossed down to Earth, given an impossible task, and even though it breaks him further, the entire story shows us Kratos' descent into genuine rage and madness, choosing to discard any humanity he still had after killing Athena and her using her last words to deny and chastise him. Fully discards any humanity he might've had... right up until interscting with Pandora brings back the younger and happier Kratos. Brings him back to the caring father he used to be, underneath the fierce and bloodthirsty Spartan commander & warrior... but even still he's not ready to make the right choice, and chooses vengeance and murder over love and mercy, throwing Pandora into the flame for no reason. One last obstacle between him and the person he hates the most... he kills Zeus, and stomps on his ghost too. Then, and only then, standing atop Mount Olympus looking down at Greece, does he truly understand what the consequences of his actions were, how he gained nothing after all of this destruction... and he remembers that ultimately, the one he hates more than anyone else is himself. He pushed all that self-hatred onto Zeus, and when the weight of that came crashing back down on him, along with the realization of what he did, he sought what he was denied at the end of God of War 1: release from suffering. On top of Mount Olympus, to a devastated and destroyed Greece, Kratos used all the power he had accumulated over the journey, and chose kindness, mercy, freedom, and release from suffering. He didn't save Greece, he destroyed it. However, he also then gave the Greeks the tools they would need to fix their devastated world, for better or for worse. He gave mortals the power to no longer have to rely on the gods to fix their problems. Personally it's why I think Kratos was from this moment onwards the god of Hope. (possibly even always, but that one's a bit of a stretch even for me lol) Kratos being the god of hope actually ties nicely into the new games too, as he still is surrounded by chaos and calamity, no matter where he goes or what he tries to do, yet finally there's a difference outcome. People finally accept the hope he offers, because he understands that for others to open their hearts to him, he must also open his to them.

[@astralchaos3441]

I know it's 3 months but I really appreciate this comment.

[@alcandorhan2918]

Perfect Friday treat from the Salt Factory. I was just listening to Fallout 4 again today 😂

[@goozygo102]

1:04:09 Actually, that isn't Atlas. As seen in GOW 2, Atlas has four arms and when Kratos goes back in time to get Gaia you can see the cutscene where Atlas is getting his soul stolen play out. It doesn't show it explicitly happening but you get the jest that it's too late for him when Kratos takes them to the present. The battle may have gone differently if they were able to save him in time.

[@christianlowman2698]

This has become my absolute favorite channel

[@maxwellase8027]

It was Zues who took Kratos powers (making him smaller)in GOW2 not Athena

[@cloudbloom]

I haven't played these games since they were released so it's cool to go down memory lane. I fucking loved them back in the day and tried to unlock all the goodies and trophies, some of the challenges were damn near impossible but they were a good time. Thanks for this video🙏

[@Dravianpn02]

Dude, play them again. They hold up. Especially 2 and 3.

[@cloudbloom]

@@Dravianpn02 I would like to, I just don't have the means right now

[@mrpitman5496]

When Kratos goes back in time originally he only goes back to his death so it would not affect the timeline. When he went back the second time he was only in the past for a minute and if you rewatch Gia giving the history of the war you actually see the titans disappear in the green light when the gods thought they were dead and it was just Kratos pulling them though time.

[@MrSupersonic2012]

Love to see this. Would definitely be interested in seeing you cover the PSP games. Theyre also pretty good.

[@PincheBeto_Bass]

I was in 5th grade when the first gow came out. I was absolutely obsessed with the game and became obsessed with Greek mythology too

[@Erebus0001]

God's please check out the side games. They really flush out kratos as a character.

[@ethantheheathen]

Nothing better than getting the surprise about a new Salt video when you open KZbin. Best video essays around.

[@SwooshJush83]

Damn didn’t think you’d do GOW, fuck yeah. Your videos are an event for me bruh keep up the good work!

[@crisdebug8675]

You know a fun fact? On the scene that Atlas is talking about the end of The Great War of the Titans (aka Gigantomachia), when Zeus is about to kill the Titans, you see a green shield around them. It's Kratos bringing them from that point in time to the future

[@aaronworthing1023]

Great series of games. I’ll stop right about midway through God of war two to add some notes 1. I always thought the first game was meant to be a throwback to the great hard R movies of the 80’s in addition to also being the clash of the titans as it existed in your dreams. (the actual 80s movie has not aged well) but I’m saying it’s got a significant Paul Verhoeven vibe to it. Gore, bewbs, and so on. It’s ironically very similar to 300, which was based on a comic that I believe came out before the first God of war so I’m not sure who was influencing who. I always said that except for the mythology angle, god of war made you feel more like you were in that kind of movie. 2. I am at almost the 40 minute mark and I think you missed that they actually got Perseus himself, harry Hamilin, to reprise his role. Apologizes if I’m wrong but I think you definitely missed it. Honestly I didn’t think he was very good in GOW2, but it’s still kind of cool. Also, Kevin Sorbo, who played Hercules on the old TV show plays Hercules in god of war three. In case you missed that. 3. I think the big flaw in the first game, and it is nearly perfect, is how you had just one massive puzzle in the middle of the game. It’s not bad, I didn’t get bored, but I kind of like how they spread them out more later. I’ve got work to do and I’ll come back to it later, but I thought I’d pass on those thoughts

[@ThisNThat0810]

Bro you adding "I just wanna take the key from around your next too" to Kratos wait had me dead 😂😂 I had to run it back because I didn't remember him saying that 😂 but he should have. Thank you for doing GOW finally and these vids, nice nostalgia as an OG gamer.