The Evolution of Daedric Princes in The Elder Scrolls

[@InquisitorThomas]

I think the reason that Boethiah’s Skyrim quest feels so out of character is that it was very likely rewritten at the last moment. If you use illusion magic to pacify Boethiah’s champion you can actually talk to him and he’s supposedly trying to give up violence in pursuit of pacifism. Also you might have originally been tasked to kill Elisif in Boethiah’s quest, there’s a lot of ghosts of cut content in Skyrim.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

And in Mephala, you'd help kill Balgruff

[@funnyjoke9225]

That's really interesting and explains why if the stormcloaks win she remains jarl of solitude. Fascinating stuff.

[@luhso7552]

Speaking of cut content... When is Bethesda gonna release Skyrim- Finished Edition?

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@luhso7552 After TES 6 goes out

[@sarah69420]

@@diablo.the.cheater so never :(

[@toxicear5274]

Lore video? Cool to see you branching out with video ideas. I’m liking the illustrations too

[@sagedamage109]

Based D1 pfp

[@Raganui]

It's funny, he didn't get into Sheogorath's actual Daedric Shrine quest in Oblivion, or the fact that if you do it after Shivering Isles, you talk to Haskill who just wonders why you're trying to invoke yourself, but gives you a quest to go do as it was something that your previous incarnation (or however you want to call the utter insanity of Sheo turning a mortal into himself later) had on the books but never got around to getting someone to do.

[@seekerofalice9787]

he also points out that a mad god praying to himself for a miracle is pretty in character.

[@DarkeningDemise]

Salt isn't well known for going into depth. He's the Skyrim of analyzing youtubers.

[@kemonngo3106]

@@DarkeningDemise pretty much lol go to any other youtuber if you want anything in depth or w/o the errors he made

[@indrickboreale7381]

I have a question - why Sheogorath was in Aetherius in Daggerfall? Mara invited him out of pity?

[@udozocklein6023]

because he visits "the blind god" from time to time.@@indrickboreale7381

[@Sathtana]

1 gripe so far, oblivion isn't solely fire and death, that's just Mehrunes Dagon's plane Deadlands. We actually visit a few realms including the Shivering Isles, Coldharbour, and Apocrypha.

[@KingBuilder525]

Technically true, but they are all equally hostile to mortal life.

[@SpeedeyFreaks]

I think you kinda missed the point of Boethiah's skyrim 2nd quest. She sends you to kill her champion and take his place because he has been lazy. She hates stagnation and urges people to outsmart and outplay as well as outshine their opponents. One must always challenge themselves and have a greater goal in mind. That is why she sends you to take his place rightfully.

[@p0laris813]

@SpeedeyFreaks: Exactly. It's not simply that he disobeyed her, because she doesn't like blind obedience. It's that he disobeyed her prime directive of not being complacent.

[@Naruku2121]

@Alex Steen Wasn't that cut content?

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

sooo when you become OLD what some one is sent to end you ?

[@SpeedeyFreaks]

@@creatorsfreedom6734 could be, as long as a better contender appears, yes, you will be ended if you lose your ambition and stagnate regardless of age.

[@joshmakarenko5809]

​@@creatorsfreedom6734 king of the hill baby, you can't be king forever

[@egilpeterbudde5832]

Small point, it was not Sithis but Padomay who was the primordial opposite to Anu, Sithis is Padomays child.

[@kiptheott5932]

Probably, at any rate. It's kinda vague what exactly the relationship between them is, and seeing as Sithis is implied to technically not exist on account of being the embodiment of nonexistence it's possible that whatever the hell is going on there just isn't something that mortal minds can really understand.

[@Palemagpie]

I thought Padomay was oblivion (the term, not the place), Anu is creation and Sithis is something else entirely. The void, not an absence of existence but like the embodiment of a space between existence and none existence.

[@Sirfinchyyy]

I hear the guy from Camelworks saying Padomay over and over in my head every time he says Sithis 😂

[@egilpeterbudde5832]

Sithis is the end point of change. They are in essence entropic decay into a state of nothingness. In this sense sithis and anu are very similar. In a way you could think of anu as the neverending now. While sithis is the end. Padomay is then the progression of change.

[@egilpeterbudde5832]

One should also note that calling nir the world is not entirely accurate. Kirkbrkde described nir as a "possipoint" which is a weird word to use. But one that i think means that she is the possibility of being. That she is the everchanging future, in contrast to both padomay and anu. In essence being everything that could be but nothing that is.

[@garymcjerry]

Hircine is less 'just about the hunt' and more about 'the strongest get the right to do as they please', so survival of the fittest is more his motto. He's as much the prey as the predator, and if the prey is clever enough, or fast enough or strong enough to evade or kill the predator he is just as quick to reward them, as he would the hunter for killing their prey. He's quite fair as Princes go. You know minus inconsistent Bethesda writing. At least this is how i've interpreted him in the Series.

[@ArcaneAvian19]

So this video is pretty good overall, there are some minor lore issues or misunderstandings here, but one of the bigger ones that I feel I should explain for anyone in the comments is this: The Good Daedra and House of Troubles predate the Tribunal, and their designation as such has nothing to do with bowing down to the Tribunal. In fact, the Tribunal act in direct defiance to the primary Good Daedra, Azura. The Good Daedra are named such because these three helped to build Dunmer (and their predecessors, the Chimer) into the society they are now. They taught them how to live in Morrowind, and how to differentiate themselves from the other elven races. The House of Troubles are Daedra that represent danger and struggle to the Dunmer, forces that would seek to weaken their foundations, enemies they must overcome.

[@dogdog357]

He also said that it was Anu and Sithis, with Sithis taking Padomai's spot of being an aspect of Chaos instead of being quite literally The Void.

[@glopsnopper3806]

That’s cool thanks for the read. You big gay nerd lololololololololol

[@MrGraae-dg5km]

Side note, the dunmer (at the time chimer) worshipped the good daedra (mephala, boethia and azura) way before the tribunal existed

[@KrutchesRDH]

And after their downfall, along with their ancestors (possibly the Ehlnofey and Aedra too) and the tribunal and saints.

[@jamham839]

I really want more info Peryite and Namira. Hope they get more of a spotlight in the future.

[@raidenmakoto7168]

Namira got some love in ESO with Elsweyr and Markarth. She’s like the Khajiit satan and Top god for the reachmen now so that’s cool. Peryite fittingly gets small roles in various dungeons and it’s all mostly sorta disease and stinky yuck stuff unfortunately but there’s also some of the “keeper of the natural order with culling the weak through pestilence” so that’s cool

[@raidenmakoto7168]

I paraphrased with Namira but she really does get some awesome lore in ESO. She’s shown more in her role as the Primordial void. She sorta becomes Nihilism incarnate so that’s cool and she becomes intrinsically linked with Lorkhan. She gets cool new “minions” in the Void Mothers who are creepy ghost ladies who move creepy, summon undead, and distort reality. She also gets evil Khajiit called Dromathra who dance to the beat of the dark heart of Lorkhan which all Khajiit can become if they become consumed with negative emotion and is a manifestation of her taking over the space left behind when Lorkhan’s heart was removed which also links to Reachmen lore because a Reachfolk clan worships that very dark heart and believe Lorkhan made a deal with Namira for some space in the primordial void for a place to create Nirn.

[@butterysnail2537]

especially after eso and the descriptions we have of her oblivion realm i feel like we don't have nearly enough content around namira. she's honestly one of the coolest sounding daedra but she just never appears other than the obligatory quest once a game

[@nsnick199]

I think you mean Padhome in the beginning, not Sithis. Before the creation of Mundus, the Daedra and Aedra were all just known as et'Ada. Magnus was the architect of Mundus and left before it was finished. The hole he tore isn't a hole *to* Oblivion, but a hole *through* Oblivion, reaching Aetherius. The stars are also the same kind of hole, made by the lesser Magna Ge. These holes leak magicka from Aetherius, which is why magic exists on Nirn. Meridia was one of these Magna Ge who was cast out from Aetherius, and made her realm such that the light of Aetherius passes through it like a prism, imbuing the sunlight with her hatred of the undead, which is why the sun harms them.

[@nsnick199]

Also, the good Daedra were the good Daedra before the Tribunal took power and most certainly did not bend the knee. The veneration of these good Daedra as well as the view of the four corners of the House of Troubles (the bad Daedra) were what caused the schism of Veloth and his followers, the Velothi, who were later called the Chimer and later became the Dunmer. The Tribunal stepped into the roles of the good Daedra, naming them "Anticipations" when they performed their religious coup.

[@nsnick199]

As for Malacath, rather than think of him as the god of vengeance, I would say he is the god of outcasts. Through this lens, his looking out for goblins and other quests make a lot more sense.

[@Infected_Apple]

Good summary of the mistakes.

[@2010topdog]

Why was Meridia cast out? Was it before or after the stars were created? I might have heard the Magna Ge thing before but i think ive heard she had other origins.

[@andrearossi6564]

Yeah this video has quite a few errors/misunderstandings

[@rebellyanmagic6409]

I know Meridia isn't in this video but I must let out an obligatory *A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON* EDIT: Probably didn't mention this due to 'community guidelines' but Molag Bal 'created' vampires by raping a human woman for hours. In the Dawnguard DLC it's heavily implied that female Coldharbour vampires go through the same thing to be changed. That's why one of his in-universe titles is The King of Rape.

[@SetariM]

What the hell. WHAT THE HELL BETHESDA.

[@TheSaltFactory]

Yeah I almost went into that but uh... I didn't want to chance the wrath of youtube haha

[@nathanwinters2400]

Vivec also gave Molag Bal his head for 8 days to play with so that Vivec could learn to secrets of Chim. Won't even go into Azura and "the Spear" story. Bethesda! :D

[@spacecowboy5486]

​@@SetariM wait until you learn how Vivec aquired his spear

[@evilsclone2499]

@@spacecowboy5486 explain Now.

[@degurkin]

Sheogorath is actually instrumental to the story of Daggerfall as he personally interferes you can see him in one of the last areas and talk to him directly.

[@MrfrogAXN]

Molag Bal is the only daedric prince that actually is scary.

[@Rynjinivar]

You don't get a name like "Prince of Rape" for being a pleasant individual, that's for sure.

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

Idk mehrunes dagon isn't exactly warm and cuddly

[@Hero_Of_Old]

​@@quatreraberbawinner2628 he's not so much sinister though, as he plays a cosmic role, to change the order of things. Revolutionise. Molag Bal is just, evil.

[@jakobrenner2230]

@@quatreraberbawinner2628 the thing about Dagon is that he can be a more “force of nature” kind of bad. Molag Bal is deliberately sadistic and domineering, and unless you prove yourself strong he will mercilessly torment you in the worst and exhaustive way possible.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

​@@quatreraberbawinner2628 read Lamae Beoflage's story. Its absolutely bone chilling.

[@judekaraki1650]

this is a banger concept, would love to see more videos like this on other games, or even on more specific topics within skyrim, like the evolution of the depiction of the politics and factions over the games. a specific concept i would love to see you cover is the evolution of cosmic horror in the fallout series since the videos currently exploring that topic are quite shallow and seem to miss a few obvious connections. keep up the good work.

[@RyanRedfox]

I think Hermeaus Mora is my favorite simply because of his mysterious nature.

[@Maria_Erias]

He strikes me best as being similar to something from the Cthulhu mythos: a great being that isn't necessarily evil, but whose goals and motivations are unknowable and even alien to human understanding.

[@RyanRedfox]

@@Maria_Erias Yes there’s definitely HP Lovecraft inspired aspects of him primarily with the tentacles and such. And he definitely seems evil but in a more subtle way. Influence, desire, madness are his tools. It’s not clear what exactly he wants other than to gain knowledge and have followers gain more knowledge for him. Definitely a character I’d love to see more of in the following games.

[@captainrex4723]

I can’t wait for the eso necrom dlc

[@therealadamfriedland]

Who?

[@RyanRedfox]

@@therealadamfriedland Skyrim Dragonborn DLC eyeball tentacle monster.

[@piercemathena2125]

I appreciate that this worked as well as a comparison video as it did as a lore primer and an "is it as good" video. Just as a note, there were a few times when I think you confused the words ancestor and descendant. I noticed it first in your discussion of Azura, the Chimer, and the Dunmer, but I know it came up again at least one other time. I think you used ancestor when you should have said descendant.

[@MrTylertherockstar]

I’m so stoked you put this out. Just started playing morrowind and Skyrim again, and I’ve been diving way deeper into the lore lately. And I always look forward to your videos

[@darthskarr8975]

A note regarding Boethiah's quest in Skyrim Molag Bal in Morrowind; you can actually kill all her Cultists first and then she herself will ask you to bring a follower to sacrifice, saying it's to prove that "your tongue can wield a lie." Another thing is that her quest has some hidden dialogue either as a result from bad scripting or left over cut content, because if you use a calm spell on her old Champion, you'll be able to talk to him and get some rare dialogue revealing he renounced Boethiah and that's specifically why Boethiah wants him dead. There are actually a lot of cases like this in Skyrim where NPCs have hidden dialogue that can't hear because their immediately hostile to you unless you have a calm spell to use on them and if they don't resist it (Voice of the Emperor generally always works) As for Molag Bal, he and Vaermina are related to the Vampire Cure quest in Morrowind. Whilst Molag Bal made Vampires only Vaermina can cure it. So the Vampire Cure quest in Morrowind has you going to Molag Bal and he goes "Aw F###, another one. OK, look, I'll go talk to Vaermina, meanwhile you do a quest for me, OK?" and then that's what actually happens. Also I really like how Malakath was portrayed in the TES novels. Though it's very different from his video game depictions. Same with Clavicus Vile who was inadvertently responsibile for the events of the novels.

[@nomousecat]

That was Vaermina, not Mephala. Quote: "It was not easy for me to obtain the cure, but I was able to pry it from Vaermina after some...discussion."

[@darthskarr8975]

@@nomousecat right, I got that mixed it. I'll fix that.

[@VoidNull9222]

While I agree there’s not much to Hircine’s quests in the games I do find him interesting as a character especially compared to the other Daedra Hircine is one of the best examples of a True Neutral being (to use the old D&D morality system). His hunts have rules that he himself is subject to; that the prey always has to have a chance to escape or turn the tables on the hunter and prey that manages to do so is rewarded. In Skyrim if you go against his orders and side with the werewolf over Hircine’s hunters you still get a reward and respect from the prince instead of the “how DARE you defy me!!!” you might expect from an entity like a Daedric Prince And unlike most modern Bethesda quests this seems more like a character trait rather than ‘your choices are just flavor here’s a reward anyway’ gameplay philosophy

[@JaysMissingKidney]

Hircine is not fair in his hunts. In ESO he is quite ruthless and unfair. In Bloodmoon too.

[@filipvadas7602]

Hermaeus Mora and Sheogorath are my favorites by far. The former looks like he was plucked right out of the lovecraftian mythos and is pretty enigmatic. While the latter is the embodiedment of chaos. He's wild and unpredicrable, but there's this almost regal elegance to him, made *genuinely terrifying* in the rare moments he lets his facade slip and shows that he's *much smarter* than his rambling makes him seem.

[@Gensolink]

personally I love the telling of Malacath dealing with sheogorath's antics. This orc became mad because of sheo and malacath had to kill him but by doing so the orc's soul was sent to the shivering isles and Malacath was very much saddened by it. I wish we could see more of the caring side of Malacath for his people in books and quests

[@MasterTangerines]

I would love to see more videos on the evolution of lore in the Elder Scrolls games. So many things have been tweaked or changed to fit the newer games that it's interesting to look back at a more simplistic version of the lore

[@killerabbit003]

I CACKLED at the random "among us" while he was describing Boethia possessing the body of the follower. My humor is officially broken

[@simmojosh71]

I find it interesting that a lot of your complaints are about how they have don't have consistent goals and things they want you to do. I always thought it was kind of the point of them that they are immortal and kinda just do shit that they fancy at the time so aren't locked down to a one note personality for all time.

[@darryllyle5250]

One theory about the The Dark Brotherhood, is that the Night Mother is actually Mephala. If you take this into consideration, then All of the Dark Brotherhood quests are "Mephala's Quests". This also does fit in with her proposed personality.

[@Whizzer]

Dunmer consider themselves to be Azura's ancestors? I don't think that's how it works...

[@Palemagpie]

Sheogorath has always been my favourite even before shivering isles. Come on, he's literally the god of shits and giggles.

[@芸術-i2z]

So, Azura is the "Rim of all Holes," and her quest reward is her "star"? Whats going on here Todd?

[@TheTiforce]

The story of the meteor and Vivec is kinda unintentionally funny. It's like Vivec doesn't know how to use the physics engine of the universe and once he loses control of it, the meteor crashed into the land like it never lost momentum.

[@iScAre1]

Baar Dau didn't crash after Vivec disappeared, a pact was made with Clavicus to uphold it using the Ingenium but it got damaged after a scuffle one day. And so without power it inevitably fell, Vivec intentionally kept it afloat as a "symbol" to his ppl so he always had control over it (except for that time in the 2nd era where Clavicus sabotaged Vivec's power for a bit, morbid foreshadowing)

[@DIEGhostfish]

The idea it kept inertia makes very little sense given how little damage it did. Making Red Mountain explode is small potatoes for something that size hitting that hard.

[@MaxonerousX]

Vivec didn't stop it, they basically froze it in time, and likely could have destroyed it. They kept it either as a threat, or as a visible symbol of their power

[@mark5222]

I think the reason why most Aedra were angry at how the Mundus was created is because while they sacrificed themselves to it, they were not able to interact with it as freely as the Daedra. It can be observed on how the inhabitants of Mundus are right now. Although most people want love, justice, beauty, etc, it's mostly the influence of the Daedra that is the most dominant. Like, there's always war, thieves, murderers, and people who would spread their legs to f*cking Molag Bal.

[@kakerei]

Not rlly, you can see Y'ffre, Akatosh, Kynareth having a lot of influence on Nirn. It's just not personified like with the Daedra. You can argue any act of Love, natural Death, etc. is a sign of Mara's, Arkay's, etc. power. And you have Aedra like Auri-El who led a war and established kingdoms on Nirn and then ascended back to Heaven. Aedric power is much more present on Nirn, but it's more irgrained in the world so it's harder to see, than just Daedra coming and doing some crazy shit.

[@ducksinthewild]

Dagon is honestly my favorite. I've only played Skyrim but his chaotic nature and his selfish demeanor hooked me up while doing my first playthrough. While roleplaying a good mannered paladin kind of guy, the quest made me realize that it was at the end of the day, a game, and I could open up the way I act and play around at any point. An epiphany of sorts.

[@Biodebatable]

Sheogorath vanilla oblivion quest is also fantastic, driving a whole town to madness with pranks, also hope there's a part 2 Coming going over Namira, Nocturnal, Hermeaus Mora, Sanguine, Peryite, Clavicus Vile, Vaermina & meridia

[@Biodebatable]

Vile's realm of late stage capitalism, scam and daedric artifacts that always seem to get away from him are fun. Nocturnal as the prince of night and thieves has artifacts that always seem to get stolen from her. And peryite taking the form of a dragon to hide his weakness is amazing.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

@@Biodebatable pretty sure Akatosh must be pissed peryite is taking a form thats his kin lol

[@Chronopie]

Sheogorath as the God of Madness *and Creativity* is something worth expanding on. He's the patron Daedra of dreamers, poets, _actors_ and creators of various stripes, who, according to some sources, created music on Nirn. That's huge. He's also not as random!mad as he appears, as shown when he drops the facade during the penultimate act of SI. We mostly see him embrace the Mania side of his personage, but he has the potential to embody the more serious side that characterises the inhabitants of Dementia.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

A serious, making sense Sheo is not something I think would make any sense lol I feel like it's just not something that should even be possible

[@justinnyugen7015]

Love the video, though I did get confused in some parts where you use the word "ancestor" when you really meant "descendant"

[@madithen]

Morrowind has far and away the best version of Sheogorath. He presents himself as a prim and proper gentleman and doesn't yell "CHEESE!! I'll rip your liver out! I am very random!" in your face. At first his quest is just "go kill this creature for me" which seems just as stock as most other morrowind quests. Then you notice that the weapon you're supposed to use really is just a stupid fork and the beast can barely even fight back as you swipe at it, stabbing at the air like some lunatic. Then you go back and Sheogorath basically tells you "wow you looked pretty silly out there, I enjoyed that". If you had no idea he's the prince of madness it's a neat surprise.

[@tirasangue1]

I'd really love a big channel like yours to drop a video on Lorkhan and Talos. So many people are unaware of their connection in the lore, as well as Lorkhan's and Akatosh's relation to mankind, and the reason behind High Elves' animosity towards patron-gods of humanity. What Vivec writes about Lorkhan is also very interesting.

[@BattlePants321]

If you've never checked out FudgeMuppet they have some fantastic Elder Scrolls lore videos

[@aphawolf6154]

I love when you make lore videos even if you make mistakes your style for videos is so entertaining and informative.

[@jakoby256]

ESO added a lot of depth and personality to these princes and since its considered canon, not sure why you'd avoid talking about it.

[@rod9829]

>ESO >Canon Pick one bro

[@jakoby256]

@@rod9829 I'm not quite sure what you mean. They confirmed everything in that game to be canon already.

[@mitchbrannon3418]

Thank you for getting me through soooo many hours of work in the factory dude love your takes and way you write

[@Serahpin]

24:00 "Not born. Shit into existence." -The Golgothan, Dogma (1999)

[@tessfairfield6435]

I’d love to see a video discussing how things like the schools of magic and races of Nirn have changed throughout the series

[@chriskoloski32]

It is nice to know that Dagon doesn't seem that bitter about losing in cyrodil when you meet him in skyrim

[@Steineru_kun]

He didn't lose, he achieved his goals - dismantled Tamrielic current (back then) power structure and made Akatoshes lazy ass actually do their job - protect Nirn from oblivion invasions until "the end of times"

[@thelastcrow5660]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Daedric Princes were always my favorite part of the series.

[@mcclickbait4943]

I’m pretty sure that “The Rim of All Holes” was also Salt’s nickname in college.

[@shawndonq135]

I don’t have a favorite daedric prince, but I do like the duality between aedra and daedra. For example, kynereth, the goddess of the sky and of nature. She represents nature in a pure, beautiful way. While hircine, the daedric prince of the hunt, defiles nature and would rather destroy and hunt kyne’s creations than anything else, and purely for the thrill of the hunt. It’s a lot of yin and Yang with the gods in the elder scrolls.

[@ms.sysbit5511]

I love how Aedra barely have artifacts and rarely interfere with mortals yet daedra all have at least one and love to meddle. The contrasts really are quite pronounced and interesting.

[@elijahwallace5300]

The two actually get along very well. From a purely philosophical standpoint, hunting is as much defiling nature as picking a carrot. A fox hunting a rabbit, IS nature. A bear destroying a bee hive for honey, IS nature. A human hunting a deer is just as sinister. To think it's somehow defiling nature is a purely ego driven and human-centric delusion. We're not separate or superior to the bear or fox, nor are our actions unnatural.

[@elijahwallace5300]

The Aedra are the spirits that gave power to become the physical ground, time, nature, etc. Every step your TES character takes is on an Aedric artefact!

[@ms.sysbit5511]

@@elijahwallace5300 If that was the case (they made it but don’t count as Aedric artifacts), you wouldn’t need to retrieve Tiber Septim’s blood from Sancor Tor in Oblivion. His enshrined cuirass and Auriel’s Bow are among the very few recognized, Aedric artifacts.

[@jon-michaelsampson1120]

I love to see a new video from and some of my favorite moments from your typical content is the lore breakdowns so lore content is great with me!

[@loopyloon5401]

Hold-up, Sithis? Where's Padomay?

[@TheodoricFriede]

It would seem, in your anger, you killed her.

[@loopyloon5401]

@@TheodoricFriede NooOOOooo…

[@yesman4062]

I love you so much for doing content like this. I crave videos from you every day, literally just rewatching your videos all the time, big love

[@InquisitorXarius]

My god the amount of inaccuracy in the lore is just perfect, peak salty. No Im not being sarcastic.

[@FazamboMan]

I've always enjoyed Boethiah's quest in Morrowind. Led purely out of curiosity, or nowadays a wikia page, you swim out to the middle of nowhere and find a large shrine to a literal god just sitting there abandoned underwater. The first time I found it I was amazed and intrigued at the idea of a god being forgotten and losing all their power as a result, then appointing some nobody that stumbled upon the shrine as a champion to build a new shrine. Any other time I've stumbled across Boethiah's quests in subsequent games I always think of that moment Boethiah had no worshippers and no power.

[@thatoneguy8146]

Dagon is the dedra of revolution and change and that can come in the force of destroying an empire that controls an entire continent to invite change in the world. That what makes him different from Bal

[@Liquidsignz]

The saltmaster is dipping his shaker into new topics! Cant wait to finish the video!

[@sebs-shenanigans]

Loved this different type of video! Well made, fun, informative!

[@JackWalters696]

You two really outdid yourselves on the illustrations to this one. Really cool depictions all around lol

[@TMFIELD]

Take a drink everytime salt says ancestor when he means descendant.

[@matthewdifronzo1830]

Fun fact if you pacify Boethia's Champion you can talk with them and get some unique dialogue relating to the quest.

[@eeebee6166]

I thought you were fucking with us about the 'Rim of all Holes" title for Azura. You were not lol. Thanks Todd!

[@redomer91]

The classification of the good Deadra and the House of Troubles preceded the rise of the Tribunal. The good Deadra essentially founded the believe of the people that later became the Dunmer with these Deadra taking on the role of revered teachers. That is why they are known as the good Deadra. Later the rising Tribunal rewrote these three Deadra as anticipations of the themselves. Hijacking the entire religion. The House of Troubles are Deadra that the good Deadra deemed bad and constantly test their people. Mortality is a test. Personally, I even call Boethiah the prince of "git gud" and he also my favorite prince.

[@WesleyHill-md5cg]

There's something that you should note about Molag Bal's quest in Skyrim: if you have the Serana Dialogue Add-on mod installed and you have her with you when you enter the house, she'll have a panic attack upon hearing his voice and beg you not to follow his commands after you leave. This leads her into confiding in you exactly how she became a vampire. This interaction made the quest much more interesting without even having to finish it.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Was that restored cut content?

[@WesleyHill-md5cg]

@@DIEGhostfish Fan-made dialogue.

[@Giltia]

I can think of no Elder Scrolls quest I've enjoyed more than drinking with Sanguine. No other Aedra or Daedra can compare to the sheer amount of BRO than is the Prince of Hedonism.

[@yukiomishima9769]

Thank you I appreciate the video 😊

[@mondenkindqueen]

It makes perfect sense for Malacath to view Ogres and Goblins as his people. He is the Prince of the Spurned and Ostracized. Who is more ostracized than Ogres and Goblins?

[@songbird6414]

Peryite has the easiest potential to completely change the world and I feel like he really doesn’t get enough attention.

[@elijahwallace5300]

It's not really his thing. Daedra are more of a spiritual concept than a living entity with changing goals, morals, and ambitions. The only times that they change are in metaphysical adjustments to their roles. The Taskmaster taking charge and making changes... is not what a taskmaster does. Ya know?

[@andyparkinson1996]

Yoooooo all the editing and animations etc in this are ace! Loving this style of analysis!

[@walrusmaximus]

This is exactly the kind of video i know imma love. Thank you.

[@Abudzin]

I know it's wrong but man do I love Molag Baal, or rather how he is portrayed. The guy is so consistently just pure 100% evil for the sake of being evil. Sure, a lot of the princes(ses) have their whims, none of them is particularly "good", aside from maybe Meridia (and I guess Azura? Depends on perspective), but Baal is a whole another level. Dagon is also frequently considered "evil", but he actually represents chaos, which is a principle of change. Sure, the stuff that he does may not be morally good, but on the greater scale the chaos he creates kinda pushes the world forward, forces men and mer to adapt, overcome hardships, look for new solutions even in the most desperate situations... But Baal? There is absolutely NOTHING redeeming about this dude. It's all about total domination, degradation and crushing mankind/merkind in all manner possible just for the shit of it. Reading lore about him and what he represents is literally repulsive, it makes your stomach churn... And I fucking love it.

[@MitoRequiem]

He lives

[@marcioaraujomitrano686]

Data mining revealed that Mephala’s quest originally had the Dragonborn help the Jarl’s children murder him, but this was cut. There’s also an unused version of the Ebony Blade with a different effect.

[@Terrados1337]

Lets not forget: our lord and savior Vivec bit off Molag Bals "spear" and uhm ... used it... against Azura.

[@lightborn9071]

Hence forth this weapon shalt be called 'Bloodfuck'!

[@glowyrm]

I wish there was an actual factory that could pump out your long form content daily! I need me 3-6 hours of Salt commentary and analysis every day! I know I have a problem...

[@GlidusFlowers]

I feel like you confuse the words ancestors and descendants throughout the entire video

[@ElysiumCreator]

3:45, bit of a mistake here, the stars are actually holes in the boundary between Oblivion and Aetherius that thé Magne Ge created after they fled Nirn, same as the sun, which was created by Magnus when he fled

[@Tequniqes]

HELLLL YEAAAAAH

[@skidmark5308]

AMEN BROTHER

[@DIEGhostfish]

7:16 Boethia looked at Lorkhan's plan and said "That's fucking brilliant, but I ain't a sucker."

[@reffa2858]

I miss Aranea Lenith. Such a pleasent suprise. Seeing a single worshiper of Azura in a sea of snow at the base of a giant statue. Who eventually became a faithful companion of my dragonborn

[@2010topdog]

I would love more of these tinier lore videos from you. One thing i want to mention about Malacath. I always kind of had a headcanon that Trinimac wasnt really dead. He got hurt by Boethiah sure, but Malacath may be a somewhat separate entity, similar to Sheo and Jyggalag.

[@vardiganxpl1698]

I like the tales regarding the Daedra and Aedra and whole mythology of Elder Scrolls, really does feel like a classic mythic tale from IRL, where these supposed gods are engaging in sometimes absurd, or too human like affairs, like making Maliketh drop his pants and poop in front of everyone, or the first 2 gods fighting over the woman goddess

[@loli-knightxardej2252]

Heck yeah, Salt! Like Strat-Edgy I always thought your Fallout and Elder Scrolls videos were the best, so it's great seeing you flesh the corners of them out a bit. Good stuff!

[@Neljosmusic]

I beg you to consider expanding on the other story elements of the Elder Scrolls. Your voice and style are just perfect for this stuff

[@fncnn]

Don’t you recall… the most famous of them all…. YOU HAVE FOUND MY BEACON

[@Aerowarrier]

I think Malacath caring for Ogres and Goblins and stuff is because the original Orsinium was a city formed for Orcs, but also for their allies the ogres and goblins and such. Which presumably Malacath would have been the main thing leading to that happening. Idk much about the og Orisnium beside it getting demolished by I think the Empire before it could really start growing in power, I wanna say at the behest of the Bretons

[@iScAre1]

Malacath claims all goblinkind his children- so orcs, ogres and goblins, although the orcs are the only direct descendants of them (i think, kinda vague)

[@wintersrevenge5958]

I know you didn't explore ESO that much, which isn't truly needed for this video. However, Molag Bal didn't just create vampires. I implore you too look up the vampire faction quest for ESO to learn the history because it's pretty dark. Also, his story is pretty cool in ESO and he's much more michievous and trecherous than anything we've seen in the main games there. Also going back to the vampire stuff, its hinted that Serana, and maybe her mother (can't remember) went through the same 'ritual' to become pure bloods (as serana became a pure blood if believe before her father did)

[@iScAre1]

Both Serana and Velerica were... as apart of the ritual, for hours, to near death, until becoming undead at the last second of their life. REAL effed up

[@greyborn2213]

I get its non-inclusion but ESO gave a TON of really really interesting info on various daedra, notably Namira.

[@MaxonerousX]

What's pretty cool is that your telling of the creation of the universe is like 90% different from how I've heard it. It's cool because it makes sense for different groups to tell very conflicting stories, and this story in particular is grafted together from a lot of sources. You get some funny contradictions like the decision to kill Lorkhan was made at the white-gold tower... on Nirn, which in many versions of the story is made of Lorkhan's corpse. Also the two moons are also maybe his corpse? But his heart is on nirn? Or was, rest in pieces

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Really enjoyed this one Salt, like the new direction

[@realzachfluke1]

This is about to be my favorite SF video yet, I already feel confident making that prediction.

[@johnclark222]

The Mephala quest in Skyrim is a victim of cut content, originally the quest involved jarl Balgruuf's children murdering him; potentially for cheating/murdering his wife. However, Bethesda toned it down to avoid it being too dark

[@joshuaellison2008]

Malakath is the father of the spurned, maybe thats what oblivion was getting when it mention him protecting ogres, goblins and their like?

[@joshuaellison2008]

Is this a scam?

[@HickoryDickory86]

In the Elder Scrolls novel _Lord of Souls_ (a reference to Clavicus Vile), Malacath scoffs at the idea of him being defecated by Boethiah, saying, "Mortals. Always so literal." My own interpretation of what happened was that Trinimac himself had been deceived by Auriel into believing what he did about Lorkhan and became Auriel's mouthpiece and errand boy (doing his dirty work by being the one who actually slew Lorkhan). Upon hearing the lies that Trinimac was spreading about Lorkhan in ignorance, Boethiah confronted him (and his followers) and was able successfully to convince him of the truth and to recant. Doing so ontologically changed Trinimac into Malacath (and also his Altmer followers into the Orsimer) as an outward manifestation of his deep remorse and penitence, whereby he became "the Keeper of the Sworn Oath and the Bloody Curse."

[@Kyora473]

> Molag Bal is evil Bruh, he's literaly called "The Daedric Prince of Rape, Enslavement, and Domination.". Of course he's evil

[@WoobertAIO]

16:48 I think the point the writers were going for here is that Boethiah also told her previous champion to do whatever they wanted as well, so she's gonna send someone else to kill you too... Eventually.

[@digitaldevil696]

Molag's quest is one of my favourite in skyrim because of how delightfully and unapologetically evil it is. Sure, Molag Ballin' is a one-dimensional/flat villain god character, but the way he embraces it and revels in it makes his quest so fun, with evil cackling to boot! What fascinates me about Sheo in Skyrim is that he, while being a patron of insanity and madness, is actually willing to use you to heal the mind of Pelagius the Third, and I personally think it's because of the previous Sheo, now Jyggalag, mantled the Champion of Cyrodiil, and now we are dealing with a different Sheo, with a bit of a difference in MO

[@JohnSmith-nh2te]

Such a wonderful video to find on my feed

[@LettaLeeJoy]

In Lord of the Rings, orcs are Sauron's failed attempt at creating elves. Twisted abominations produced by a sort of false god. They are, if you will, shit elves. So it's pretty funny and awesome that Elder Scrolls took that idea and made it literal.

[@dummy_vicc2976]

surprised you didnt mention any of the molag bal lore from the dawnguard dlc tbh

[@Hlast1]

My favorite interpretation of the Trinimac/Malacath story is that it's a metaphor for Trinimac's betrayal of Lorkhan. Trinimac was the one who ripped out Lorkhan's heart, but he was also a god who valued honor and upholding one's oaths. In that act, Trinimac was consumed by his betrayal (Boethiah "eating" him), and for breaking his oath (and possibly getting covered in Lorkhan's blood, which is what ebony is made of), he was transformed.

[@smartlp4782]

I really hope you‘ll take on the lore that is added by ESO one day. Great video. 👌🏿

[@DritzD27a]

I think it'd be a cool reflection of Oblivion for a game to have a scenario where you need Dagon's help to usurp a tyrant or the Thalmor or something. Presumably whatever happens would leave lots of smaller powers rather than just allowing the restoration of the traditional Imperial Empire.

[@templecreations2351]

I thought Meridia would get more attention in this video. good stuff though 👍 where some offs with the padomay/sithis mix up and magnus ripping hole into oblivion when it was actually aetherius.