Was the Titanic Disaster predicted?

[@cunard61]

There were actually a lot of accounts about people having a premonition about the Titanic disaster. There is a rare book by author George Behe, entitled Titanic, Psychic Forewarnings of a Tragedy, that brings many of these accounts together for the first time. Some of the stories told in the book are downright chilling.

[@bobtaylor170]

That is a great book! I think Behe should have been on the Supreme Court. He was that fair. ( No, you don't have to be a lawyer to be on a federal court. ) You know that Behe was aching to label a lot of things as psychic foretellings, but he couldn't rule them in. But that fourth section! Oh my! Gives you chills!

[@justme7920]

I told everyone the ship will sink but they never listened. Instead they threw me out of the movie theater.

[@BertBuild]

yeah right

[@ThisAccount463]

is this true?

[@BertBuild]

@@ThisAccount463 nope

[@goldfing5995]

My thoughts: 1.) The thing that strikes me most about the book is the choice of the ship name, "Titan". You cannot explain this similarity with the author being an expert at ocean liners, unless he was a relative of Bruce Ismay or had read Sigmund Freud's books ;-) 2.) 400 miles from Newfoundland, there seems to be sort of a Northern version of the Bermuda triangle... 3.) Taking into account that 2200 people were on board the Titanic, 1300 passengers amongst them, is it really so mysterious that one of these passengers had a bad feeling about the voyage? There will always be persons who have a "sixth sense", but this can only be said afterwards, so it is no real prediction.

[@nergregga]

I feel like if you know so much about ocean liners, and you wrote a book that you wanted to be accurate, then you might also have considered scenarios that where likely to happen. Pack ice in April wasn't uncommon so to make the plot make sense, setting in that month seems like a straight forward choice to me.

[@cakeeater7750]

Came here to say this. Totally agree!

[@TirarADeguello]

Agree, it makes logical sense, and he probably researched it, or knew it from talking to sailors.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Honestly the book also feels like he was calling someone out indirectly as well

[@dabed6861]

I've watched 1 video of him and I can't stop I love it

[@May-The-Tank-Engine]

Me to

[@Rock4UNow]

@@May-The-Tank-Engine Same Here

[@dannym2791]

Same here

[@BertBuild]

woah

[@TTFerdinand]

Nah, that's just a crush. It always takes more than one date to really fall in love.

[@MasqueradingDragon]

Shakespeare said it best, I believe. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." While there are rational explanations for most things, sometimes we just don't know. Absolutely fantastic job, Sam!

[@PinkSoldier2009]

I can't believe he said that even before the Internet. 😃

[@youtubetimestamps6165]

00:00 Intro 01:25 Fictional Book theory- The Wreck of the Titan, Morgan Robertson 1898 08:04 The Eva Hart Theory- famous Titanic Survivor Eva Hart’s mother predicted that something bad was going to happen to the titanic, which eventually contributed towards hers and her daughters survival 9:44 Outro and Patreon Shoutouts

[@Creelipop]

Thanks

[@southernbyways2513]

Sam, IIRC, the publisher of "The Wreck of the Titan" actually changed some of the details to match what happened to the Titanic after the sinking. We would need to find a pre-1912 edition of the book to determine if the book really had all those "coincidences."

[@AmazingKevinWClark]

Having it set in April can also be the result of knowing the Labrador current as well and the time of year that can be the trickiest for icebergs. Setting it at 12 in the dead of night was probably just a story element. It's more disorienting at that hour because of how dark out it can be. It's a fear and thriller element for the characters and the reader can imagine what it might be like. Little did those readers realize that there would be people soon later living out that almost exact scenario. ☹

[@adelwulf8864]

My favourite bit of the Titanic story is deffo when Jack fights off the polar bear.

[@BertBuild]

hahahah brooo that did not happen what the hell

[@adelwulf8864]

@@BertBuild you haven't read futility have you?

[@iamhungey12345]

@@BertBuild It happened with Titan.

[@tracynance2743]

There is an episode of ONE STEP BEYOND that dramatizes the story of the woman who definitely didn't want to board TITANIC. Love these videos!

[@Tom8201]

My mom's friend grandma was going to sail across the Atlantic and almost sailed on the Titanic. However she changed her mind and went on another ship. I don't know why she changed her mind though.

[@EpicJoshua314]

Here's a story of mine that is quite eerie. Before I go on, I firmly state, even swearing an oath, that what I'm about to tell is entirely accurate. When I was a kid, I would randomly make up stories in my head and then enact them to my family about tragic events that would happen onboard planes, trains, and ships. For the latter, modern events would take place only on cruise ships or ferries, and any events happening earlier were onboard warships, cargo ships and oil tankers in WW2. In the spring of 2012 when I was in Grade 6, I made up a story about a cruise ship that left Miami for Puerto Rico (though I later changed this to the British Virgin Islands) via Nassau, Bahamas, with 3,000 people onboard and a lifeboat capacity of 3,300 people. The cruise ship was ~ 30 years old, so made in the early 1980s, and wasn't up to date with lifeboats standards as it had older lifeboats which only carried 90 people instead of 150 in each lifeboat. After leaving Nassau, the cruise ship proceeded on a route that took it south of the Bahamas and north of the Dominican Republic. That night the cruise ship encountered a storm, but it was nowhere near a hurricane or Tropical Storm. Then just after midnight it struck something that flooded the first two compartments (the sound of the impact was not heard by many people onboard). The crew deemed the flooding to be survivable and turned the ship towards Puerto Plata, heading at a slow speed; the Captain deemed it unnecessary to alert the passengers or a nearby navy ship of what was going on. 30 minutes after taking on water, the situation began to worsen and 45 minutes after taking on water, the Captain rang the General Alarm, followed by the Abandon ship order 5 minutes later. The cruise ship sank bow first 40-70 minutes later, though the majority of the 3,000 people made it into the lifeboats, 248 still remained by the time the boat deck became awash and impossible to deploy any life rafts off the ship. Those who didn't jump into the sea ran for the stern and clustered there. In the final moments, with the stern at an angle of 30-40*, a man climbs over the railing and holds onto it (like Jack and Rose after Titanic broke in two). His friend is on the low side, holding onto the railing and losing his grip as well as hope. He shouts to the man, " I am an idiot", the man replies " No, you aren't!". The man desperately tries to hold onto his friend but is unable to hold onto him without himself falling a long way down to the sea, and grabs the railing with both hands, sending his friend tumbling down to his eventual death. The cruise ship sinks like the Titanic sank in A Night to Remember. Reading this, it is clear that I based this story on the Titanic, which is true, as well as the Costa Concordia. In late 2019 I learned about a container vessel called the El Faro that sank in 2015 -- 3 years after I made up this story -- off of the Bahamas in a hurricane with the loss of all 33 people on board from an episode of Drain the Oceans. I then got a book called "Run the Storm", and when I was finished reading it, I noticed many similarities to my story and the El Faro such as a storm, route and location, overconfident Captain, old ship that wasn't up to standards, the Captain and the helmsman in the bridge as the ship was rolling over, etc. Also, in 2017 my English class was reading an allegorical novel that most people have read in life (no this was not Narnia), which had nothing to do with ships. Despite never reading or knowing the plot prior to 2017, let alone 2012, I determined that by analyzing it more carefully there were over 40 similarities between this English novel and my story. Eerie.

[@HistoricTravels]

Dang thats crazy!!!

[@lewisbreland]

I love your rational skepticism. Brings folks back down to Earth. Too few people want to let go of fantastical thinking and imagine rational explanations.

[@kevinmccaffrey2471]

7:02 thank you so much for saying no one from white star said the ship was unsinkable! The press more or less created that infamous line! Show's you how the press created nonsense over a 100 years ago swell as today. Great job Sam. Your the best titanic enthusiast!!

[@davinp]

The newspaper labeled Titanic 'practically' unsinkable, but the word practically got lost

[@iamhungey12345]

You can say it's practically forgotten.

[@shortylucy]

This is truly amazing. The comparisons of the book and what actually happened, but even more so of the lady knowing in her gut something was going to happen. I’ve been watching your videos for just a bit and I can tell you are a logical person and relies on facts. I appreciate your open mindedness about the things that are indeed puzzling. I enjoy your content very much, thank you/

[@Rock4UNow]

Great episode, Regarding the book's "predictions" & Eva Hart, there is a thing that I have personally experienced and we all have called "Intuition." We don't realize how often we use it and it saves our lives constantly. But because of all the phony mumbo jumbo scam artists out there our human nature tells us to sometimes takes a back seat from it. So thankful for all your research. Looking forward to the next one.

[@JohnLee-pt5jz]

Eva Hart's mother had a bad feeling about sailing on the Titanic, Eva said her mother would stay awake all night and sleep during the day, Eva said her mother was a down to earth woman and for her to behave like that was very unusual.

[@01782644468]

@@JohnLee-pt5jz I'm sure that there might have been reasons why Eva's mother was uneasy. Had she ever sailed before? Had she ever been a great distance from home before? (People often hadn't in that period) Had she ever crossed the Atlantic before? Plus she and her family had been jerked around by their original sailing/ship and dumped on another ship very unexpectedly. Commonplace occurrences today, but quite extraordinary for 1912. Just a thought, no criticism implied or intended! :-)

[@huckfinn9225]

Comment like #33. good advice.

[@josephmueller335]

Big shout out to Historic travels you talk about one of my favorite ships the Titanic

[@australianacexpert449]

Morgan Robertson Reminds me a lot of the Reverent Wilbert Awdry. Several things: -both were born in a year that's number ended with 1 (1861 and 1911) -Both were British. -Both were fascinated with steam powered vehicles of their times (Ocean liners and Locomotives) -Both had childhood experiences with said vehicles (Robertson's father was a ship captain and Awdry watched trains going up an incline) -Both worked with their respective vehicles at some point (Robertson was a cabin boy on ships and Wilbert worked on the Talyllyn railway) -Both have famous books about them (Awdry wrote the railway series.) -Both had disasters similar to those that happened in their stories happen in real life (The wreck of the Titan and The flying kipper) -Both died in March. (1915 and 1997)

[@ThexEpicxMechanic]

Fantastic argument to the similarities for the Titan and Titanic, however, remember in 1898 ships were a LOT smaller than the Olympic class ships, even Lusitania and her sister had not been thought up/built yet. So while yes you can say X about some similarities, especially with him being familiar with and loving ships, there were no ships like the Titan or Titanic when he wrote the book.

[@xepic_c7901]

I founded you out about a month ago and I love your content

[@brentyboi3323]

Banger video ya legend always making the best videos ever. Thank you for making these. Bye Sam

[@deepseadirt1]

7:00 The Shipbuilder Magazine I think said the Titanic(and Olympic) was 'practically' or ?'virtually' unsinkable

[@sailorwinxgirl]

Very interesting video!

[@Cleptro]

Don't forget, either, that after Titanic sank the editing company that published 'Futility' actually changed Titan's stats to bring her closer to the now-famous ocean liner. Titan's stats were originally rather different (though I don't recall how different). Also, though it's never stated in the book, I believe it's theorised that Titan was most likely intended to be a Cunard liner.

[@JediLadyMisty]

A woman I know said that her great grandmother had a ticket for the Titanic but she decided to stay in France for a little longer. Another story I read four young men returning to the US had tickets but one of them was running late and the leader of the group insisted that they wait for the fourth as the man had waited once for him, So they waited as a group and got passage on another ship. The two other young men were upset that they missed their chance to sail on such a ship and complained about it. They were complained about it after they got onto the dock in America where they were all informed that the Titanic sank and took more than half of the passengers to a watery grave. They apologized to their companions as their actions had saved their lives

[@alexandergroppe448]

In 1895, the largest Transatlantic liners in service were the 622', 13k ton Cunarders Campania and Lucania. Robertson envisioned something even larger than Titanic - and Titanic was over 3x the tonnage and 265 feet longer than the largest ships of his day. If anything - "premonition" aside - he was a visionary who realized the possibility that within a short span of time, vessels like his imaginary "Titan" would be fully realized. It was as much a common Edwardian theme in literature to dream the "sky's the limit" as to ruminate over nature overtaking man's hubris. I think it's more likely the latter in this case. However, I will say this: in 1991, I was invited for dinner at "Windows on the World" at WTC North Tower in NYC. I was impressed b y the shear scale of the towers but something inside of me soured almost immediately after the invite - as if something prompted me never to set foot in those buildings. All I can say is that it was an instinctual, dark feeling that this was a doomed place. I never set foot in either of those buildings and on 9/1/1, my stomach churned, catching up with that creepy feeling of ten years prior.

[@jetsons101]

Another great watch. Information and narration is top notch. Thanks.....

[@TwistedTattoo.WarShorts]

More fantastic information from Historic Travels 😁👍🇬🇧

[@Ktynan341]

I love these videos thank you

[@Ion_Petrov]

There were others stories involving passengers and premonitions, but those were usually tellers which told passengers that something bad will happen to them

[@erinkavanagh-hall5465]

I FREAKING LOVE THIS CHANNEL! Hi from your new subscriber, all the way from New Zealand! Speaking of predictions - I take it you know the story of the Addergoole 14 (I’m guessing yes, as I saw you used a clip of the Waking The Titanic doco in one of your other videos) on the Titanic? Well, one of the survivors of that group claimed she bumped into a man in her village who told her she was “going on a long journey” (correct)...and that “there’d be a terrible disaster”, but she’d live to tell the tale. One of the group who didn’t survive had her brother read her tea leaves the day before she left for Queenstown - and he said there’d be “an accident” and she would die. Turned out to be true on all counts. (For the uninitiated, the Addergoole 14 were a group of 14 friends and neighbours - though some were related - from the small township of Addergoole in County Mayo, Ireland. They all boarded the Titanic together, looking forward to a new life in America. Sadly, only three of the group survived the sinking. The Addergoole township was actually the hardest hit by the disaster, as it lost the greatest number of residents per head of population. It’s only been in the last couple of decades that the people of Addergoole have been able to commemorate the people they lost - as the community was so traumatised that they didn’t talk about their loss for several generations. Nowadays, the community holds a vigil every year on April 15th, and has set up a special memorial park.) I’d love to see you do a video on the Addergoole 14 - you’re a wonderful storyteller, and it’d be awesome to hear your take on it! In the meantime, keep up the good work. Xxxx

[@MrKillswitch88]

The book mentioned is a classic example of predicting programming that isn't necessarily conspiracy and such examples are fairly common for which the vast majority are likely so without there being any intent on conspiracy just being good fiction.

[@n_popcat]

Hi historic travels! I love your videos.

[@adicontra]

april could have been the period of the year with much ice floating actions, back in those days. night because is dark, hard to see...

[@codenamefulcrum77]

Have you heard of W.T. Stead? He was the editor of The Pall Mall Gazette and a passenger who died on the Titanic. He wrote a short story "How the Mail Steamer Went Down in Mid Atlantic by a Survivor" that is just as eerie as "The Wreck of the Titan".

[@justafella]

I know it's a little different than your usual content, but I'd love to see you do a playthrough of Titanic: Adventure Out of Time.

[@daviniarobbins9298]

I tried playing it back in the 1990s. Had to eventually take it back to the shop for a refund as it kept crashing on my computer. From what I saw of it it is pretty crap to be honest.

[@justafella]

@@daviniarobbins9298 Not at all. It's an excellent game with a significant following. I'd recommend trying it on Steam (or a number of free sources).

[@BimDaTitanicNerd]

If you dont have the book, part time explorer did a video reading/discussing the entire wreck of the titan book but it has 17 parts so it would take hours to watch the whole thing

[@BertBuild]

sinking of the titan

[@clairefunnell8481]

Great video. I'm at a loss for words. I've heard about the book. I don't know what to think. Thanks for sharing and stay safe.

[@manna_bell]

Adore the channel ❤ I would love to see the topic on the Titanic's passengers closest remaining relatives that still remain or how one would trace their lineages to look for relatives who might be connected. I hope this makes sense. Thanks!

[@Shadow_Microwaive]

I can’t wait to see you hit 100k

[@thomasackerman5399]

The similarities you cite are not what you make them out to be. I recommend you read one of the editions of the book on Gutenberg Press. One of these editions is also read on the Honor and Glory channel. Furthermore, Robert Morgan was not just interested in ocean liners, he was a every experienced sailor from an early age as a cabin boy and rose all the way to First Mate in the Merchant Marine service. So he very intimately knew ships and shipbuilding trends as well as what conditions were like on the North Atlantic. So descriptions of the two ships having some similarities were nothing more than what the current trends were. Remember that at this time, the Kaiser Wilhelm de Gross and Oceanic II were in service or being built. Given both vessels were in the 655-700 foot range, it's not hard to extrapolate from there a ship 800 feet long coming into service. And one thing you should've covered were the many devils in the details that differentiate the two vessel rather than the superficial few coincidences. For one, Titan is built for speed, even at the sacrifice of cargo capacity and she was just S.S., not RMS as result. Titanic, as you know was a Royal Mail Steamship and she was not built for speed. Titanic's top, red line maximum speed would fall short of S.S. Titan's cruise speed of "no less than 25 knots" by a knot and a half easily. While Titan and Titanic both are triple screw vessels, Titanic was a hybrid turbine-triple expansion reciprocating propulsion system while Titan was only reciprocating (turbine being something not invented or even hinted at as possible when Robertson wrote his book), and Titan has masts with full sails, while Titanic does not. Titan in the original edition displaces 45,000 tons while Titanic is 53,000 tons. Later post-Titanic disaster editions changed this to 70,000 tons to match the erroneous White Star Line publicity's figure of 66,000 tons. Titan in the book strikes and sinks a smaller sailing vessel in fog and the Titan's captain and officers try to cover it up. Titanic never did that nor did she sail through any fog, the weather ironically being near-perfect through her voyage. The sinking. The Titan does strike an iceberg on her starboard side, but she beaches herself and rises up out of the water and onto the iceberg, capsizing over onto one side and tearing open a whole side as she slides back into the sea and then sinks in a matter of minutes. Only two lifeboats are launched and there are less than two-dozen survivors total. The hero of the book John Rowland saves a little girl and himself by jumping on the iceberg and then shelters in wreckage of the ship and a lifeboat, having to battle a polar bear! Titanic sideswipes its iceberg, opening up the seams between the plating and takes 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink. Eighteen of twenty lifeboats are launched and 705 out of 2200 are saved. Titanic had four more lifeboats than the minimum the law allowed for while Titan as few as " as few boats as would satisfy the laws.". And interestingly, while Titan had 24 lifeboats, they were inferior in capacity to Titanic's. Titan has 19 watertight compartments, 9 of which can be flooded without the ship foundering while Titanic could float with four of her forward compartments flooded and any two of her middle compartments. The coincidence of where the two ships struck their respective icebergs is not so hard to explain when you consider Robertson's experience as a First Mate who would know that the most likely time of year for icebergs is in spring when the calve off from the Greenland glacier ice sheets and flow with current down into the North Atlantic and across the main shipping lanes.

[@Knightmessenger]

Is it true details were changed after Titanic sank to make it appear closer to the actual event than it originally was?

[@Nowhereman10]

@@Knightmessenger Yes, but they are slight changes, such as the displacement tonnage being altered to match more closely the incorrect White Star Line publicity tonnage figure of 66,000 tons. The original edition was 45,000 tons but was raised after the disaster in later editions to 75,000 tons.

[@Nowhereman10]

There is another big difference between the novella and the Titanic disaster; the Titan was outbound only a couple days from New York to England, rather than in bound as Titanic was. And it needs to be clarified how woefully inadequate the Titan's lifeboats are compared to Titanic's. Titanic's boats' maximum capacities ranged from 45 to 65 persons while Titan's 24 lifeboats could only handle 20 each.

[@thomasackerman5399]

@@Nowhereman10 Yup. The total capacity of Titan's lifeboats was 500 or about 20 people each. Titanic's had a total capacity 1178.

[@missscarling]

You write that the Titan struck and sunk another ship. Remember the New York when titanic was leaving Southampton? It was a very close call!

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

In the book the gross tonnage was nearly identical too, so much so that the publishers changed it to lass tonnage after the sinking.

[@thomasackerman5399]

Not true at all. The post-sinking editions of The Wreck of the Titan changed the displacement tonnage (not gross tonnage) to 75000 tons which was similar the White Star Line's erroneous publicity of 66,000 tons.

[@MisterTechnologic]

In the interview with Eva, she says her mom felt that way because the ship was called unsinkable, and to say that was “to fly in the face of God,” so her story is the MOST easily explained : religious fear.

[@tylerchambers6246]

@gigaenjoyer If she says people were calling it unsinkable at the time, then they were. Maybe it wasn't called 'unsinkable' in any official documents, but it seems that was just the meme going around about it at the time.

[@nickmiller1517]

I feel like the horror film “Final Destination” would’ve benefited from learning about the way people have predicted or had a premonition about the disaster. Titanic’s sinking would be the perfect inspiration since the film’s premise is someone predicts disaster, avoids it, brings other survivors, then they die one by one afterward because they were supposed to die in the disaster. Crazy stuff.

[@TheToonMonkey]

April = Iceberg season? Would make sense to pick a month known for icebergs.

[@BertBuild]

hahahhahaha the builds do agree

[@parkerfougere8378]

Nice vid

[@wattage2007]

"The Wreck Of The Titan" was called "Futility" when published in 1898, only being renamed to be more Titanicky in 1912.

[@robertsolimanm7031]

Weather and crossings where linked April was the best month for good weather for this transfer …

[@ladytharpofhastings]

I have always kind of wondered if Titanic sailed in March instead of in April would she encountered any ice bergs.

[@gerhardrichter8626]

I stated it before but I'll add it again. It was a trade magazine called "The Shipbuilder" that said with the watertight features of both the "Olympic " and "Titanic" ; it makes these ships 'practically unsinkable'. The press took part of the story and hyped it...not much changes huh. Also when Mr. Hart told his wife, that he heard the press say 'God himself couldn't sink this ship". Mrs. Hart said it was insulting God and predicted something bad would happen. ( the Hart story is from an interview with Eva Hart).

[@J.R.in_WV]

I listened to the entirety of “futility” on audiobook, and only the first chapter really involves the ship at all, everything else is just a story of a shipwrecked man on a large chunk of ice. Also the ship drove up on the ice, capsized and sank in that story. As far as April goes, that was the most dangerous month for bergs in the shipping lanes. Midnight is considered the darkest time of the night by many and is an hour that is used in suspense and horror to evoke a feeling of fear, “it was at the stroke of midnight she swung the axe” or “pulled the trigger” or “the screaming began.

[@mrsmerily]

well first yeah it is made to look like the hole book is about Titan. It is not, it is novel of survival and Titan is only side character. Still pretty weird if you take account how much and fast world changed in that 14 year it was pretty good forsight into the future.

[@mikedicenso2778]

It's a basic story of survival and redemption. Everything from Rowland being disgraced and working a menial job on the Titan, to rescuing the little girl Myra during the sinking to them surviving on the iceberg for several days (fighting a polar bear no less!) until rescued; to him being falsely accused of kidnapping Myra; then to him being acquitted of that, and finally him making a new life for himself.

[@fanThehedgehog]

Do you know how many titanic books are in the world

[@davidthompson5766]

Thank you for your videos I find them informative and entertaining. Have you ever done a blog of the Edmund Fitzgerald?

[@BimDaTitanicNerd]

yes he already did a video on edmund fitzgerald just scroll through his vids or search it

[@oliversherman2414]

Imagine reading the Wreck of the Titan book while being on the maiden voyage of the Titanic. It's not impossible to imagine that someone could've done that not long before the sinking

[@Dan_Ben_Michael]

There are a lot of stunning coincidences between the novel and the event although many of the Titan’s statistics were changed for editions published after the disaster. Anyone doing thorough research of shipping in the Atlantic at the time would be able to add pretty realistic and accurate details as to size of the latest class of ocean liners and shipping routes as well as predict where ice floes would be at certain times of the year. April makes sense as that is the time of year when ice floes would be reaching that particularly part of the Atlantic due to the warmer weather. Also 1898 (the year the novel was published) actually saw an increase in ice floe activity and that may have inspired Morgan Robertson to write his novel.

[@mictoonanimation8852]

Maybe someone read the book then tell the white star line to make a titanic based on the book (probably)

[@EddieK628]

There's a 1 in 12 chance he'd have picked april. Not that crazy. I think the similarities of the book to the event are not nearly as identical as people make it out to be. For those who are curious I suggest you read it, as it is fairly short. As for the mother staying up and knowing something was going to happen, it's a simple case of remembering the hit rather than the miss. How many passengers get on ships or planes, and are anxious to the point they're certain something will happen, and then everything goes smoothly? Nobody writes those down. That's rational. People get anxious, and every once in a while someone is bound to be correct

[@janvesely6353]

If he was interested in liners, seamanship, weather, routes etc., the chance of such pick is even higher, as icebergs start to occur more frequently on that route (which is also widely known, busy with large ship traffic and so it's a good choice for a drama of similar scale) starting from April to August. It rather seems that he could have been a good fit for a safety board.

[@Monicalia]

Nah, about Eva's mother, it's called intuition. When you have a bad feeling about something or someone. You dislike someone for apparently no reason at all, you can't point out why but you just dislike them, but soon they turn up to be a very dangerous or horrible person. Or when you have a terrible feeling about an event so you don't go, and later you hear about that event on news because something bad happened there. We all have intuition but we often ignore it. I can definitely give examples from my own life, when I had an awful feeling about someone/something that seemed safe and fine at first (and even people telling me that I overreact because ''he seems so nice''), but later turns up to be bad. Isaac Frauenthal had two dreams of Titanic drowning. He had this dream before boarding the ship and then one more time during the voyage. Bridget Delia's, one of Irish immigrants (Addergoole 14), older brother was said to have read her teacup the night before she left and told her that she would drown (yeah you could argue that oh it's just brother being nasty for fun, but given he was older than her, so he was more than 20 y/o I doubt he'd make such immature joke right before her voyage). One of the crew members (I don't remember now which one, but it's written in ''On Sea of Glass'') had a funny feeling about Titanic, he did not like this ship. I agree that some people are so anxious they expect the worst during any trip, but you can't deny that some people listened to their gut feeling and Hart was one of them.

[@justin10347]

Or in the magazine called ship builders she was called "practically unsinkable"

[@chiseledcheese]

Amazing videos, can't wait until you're at 100k.

[@diannebdee]

Actually according to Tom Lynskey who did the animation of the real time Titanic sinking, he read the book on his channel. According to him the book itself foretold Leonardo Di Caprio in it's about a big boat hitting an iceberg, and after stranded on the iceberg, gets attacked by a bear. So there's Titanic covered, then The Revenant. So there you have it.

[@inukshuksixtyfour1164]

I watched those videos too...so fun. "Heck and darn". lol. ;-)

[@diannebdee]

@@inukshuksixtyfour1164 For sure...heck and darn. Poor Roland and that fickle bitch Myra.😳

[@LordAmerican]

Lol, but in all seriousness though, from what I remember in those videos, not only was the ship unrealistically heavy, but it also: - was traveling from New York to Liverpool, not Southampton to New York - hit the iceberg in heavy fog, and - rammed the iceberg, momentarily grounding on it before slipping back into the ocean and sinking within a matter of minutes, stranding the only survivors in a couple lifeboats and on the wreckage from the bridge. So really, there aren't many similarities between the Titanic and the fictional Titan aside from the name and the time of year they sank, and so Titanic was never actually predicted in the book. Then again, I could be misremembering.

[@diannebdee]

@@LordAmerican Oh yeah, I know all that. But I love Tom's take on all of it. Basically it's all coincidence with a heaping helping of Leonard Di Caprio.

[@murry5031]

I would not be here if it wasn’t for McDonald’s wifi

[@drewadventurehistory]

Hey Sam when will the next episode of the RMS Olympic coming out

[@larchman4327]

It's been awhile but I remember a woman that was on the Andrea Doria claimed to have nightmares of the ship sinking in the nights before it happened.

[@brendakrieger7000]

Thanks for the explanation🚢

[@hobbyavenue6740]

Great video sam. Been watching awhile now and I found out about this novel a few months ago and I too thought the similarity were very close. However I found out the actual name of the novel was wreck of the futility and they changed it to titan after to be more similar to titanic. Also tbey changed the illustration of the novel cover to resemble more of the titanic after. Also im from newfoundland so to know titanic is just 400 miles off our shore saddens me that we couldn't of had more people and fishing boats etc to be sent out to help the souls lost. I do know after we had boats go out to recieve bodies from st johns Harbour here. Keep up the good work, love the content.

[@rebellonedog]

You forgot William Stead's two articles about sinking ships.

[@hannacarter1352]

Also being that the ocean liners of that day, when the book was written, were NOT as big nor carried as many passengers one would think that he wouldn't of written about the ship being so big with so many people on it. Just bc he knew about ocean liners doesn't mean that he would of thought one could be that large and float. But he proclaimed that he had a dream about the Titan and it was so powerful that he wrote the book. IDK. Just a thought.

[@timmorodgers4271]

The woman freaking out about being transferred to the Titanic might not be that unusual, out of the 2200 or so passengers there would surely be one that would have misgivings about travelling on a ship's maiden voyage. It's like flying today on an airliner, there's bound to be at least one nervous passenger who's predicting an accident to happen. Most of the time it never does.

[@rogerrambo4172]

I've loved every video you have made Sam. I have a request to ask. I'd love to see a video of you reviewing the 1981 movie Raise The Titanic. I would love to hear your opinions on that movie.

[@simongleaden2864]

Lew Grade, the producer, said something like "It would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic!"

[@rogerrambo4172]

@@simongleaden2864 haha yeah! Honestly though I do think itd be excellent if you made 1 episode of Historic Travels looking at the various Titanic movies made over the years. James Cameron's 1997 masterpiece & A Night to Remember are classics but others like Raise the Titanic & those bizarre french animated sequels are quite bad. I know your not trying to be a film critic but I'd love to hear your opinions Sam.

[@missscarling]

I love Raise the Titanic, great movie!

[@EarlTheWhiteNinja]

One word. Trash. Read the book its based off of instead. Way, way better.

[@jacketman420]

I always like to thing the cat that had kittens knew the ship was gonna sink and got her babies off there when she could. Animal instincts and all lol.

[@bendylover3474]

Nothing like some new Titanic knowledge in the morning.

[@mrbuttons4982]

What about Jenny the cat and that crewman who followed her and her kittens out? You just talked about her not many videos ago.

[@KnightRider46]

Wasn’t this book updated after the event? Sure it wasn’t even called wreck of the Titan till after the event!? And some of the other facts were changed to match the tragic events of April 15th 1912

[@pennypaige8864]

Please make a video on The SS Great Britain!! So much history with that ship and its now restored and your able to tour it. It is stunning for the time.

[@patelectrode991]

My first ever comment. I love your content. I do belive that there is a rational explanation for the mothers behavior and "prediction". Medias said that the ship was unsinkable and white star - to my knowledge - said that she was practically unsinkable. When someone sells something as "better than anything else and can't sink" then there will be people who are skeptical, and eventually the hype could have made her fear the worst. I can see why she would fear this. If I were in her place I would be very skeptical and would avoid titanic at all cost as well

[@jaiden_4661]

The Thing is,is that The SS NewYork Crash Might Have Stopped The Disaster

[@BimDaTitanicNerd]

Yeah sometimes i wish that ss new york fully damaged titanic so the voyage will be delayed. But then if titanic didn't sink we wouldn't be still talking about it today

[@jaiden_4661]

@@BimDaTitanicNerd yeah because Jack Time Travel Theory Suggest That And Also What Would Have Happened With The Could've Dodged The Iceberg Theory

[@davinp]

When he wrote the book, his boss didn't like it and thought it was just a work of fiction meaning he didn't believe such a story could happen

[@boozefueledreviews6928]

I have the book by Morgan Robertson... and it's pretty mind-blowing! The details that are shared between the two are difficult to ignore. As far as those holy crap moments go, though, why look past the actual event. Missing binoculars, coal strikes, Olympic colliding with the Hawke, improper engineering with the rudder and center propeller, April ice flows being further south, bad watertight door design, 'porting' around instead of steaming directly into the berg... there are a hundred reasons why Titanic went down, and every one of them started 2 years before her launch. I don't believe in fate... but it's tough to look at the events that led up to the disaster - realizing every single possibility that put the ship at one second in time - without wondering if it there was some pre-destination involved.

[@AdmiralBlackstar]

Many people look at old media and claim it predicted the future, but many of them are covering issues that did exist back then but people tend to ignore or forget (e.g. stories about poverty, police brutality, fascist politics often get this treatment) or are extrapolations based on existing trends, most often seen in science fiction and even more so in "20 minutes in the future" stories. The wreck of the Titan is one such example, taking in safety practices, construction trends, the tendency to give grandiose names to large ships and so on.

[@davinp]

The British Board of Trade failed to update the lifeboat law as ships grew bigger. Also, lifeboats were not seen as lifesavers, but to transport people from a distressed ship to a rescue ship.

[@ApolloNui]

Me: (after stumbling across one of your videos by mere chance and then eventually watching hours of your content) “Why haven’t I yet?” **

[@parkercline8265]

Can you do a video on the uss Atlanta

[@loganhoffner4178]

"Believe it or not, the name of the ship in the book is the Titan" WHAT!? In a book named "The Wreck of the Titan"? That's ridiculous!

[@BertBuild]

hahaha he knew bro

[@iamhungey12345]

Though the bit would have made more sense had it retained its original title which was "Futility".

[@Sabrinajaine]

Not a prediction, but I find it eerie how Officer Wilde wrote in a letter that he had a 'queer feeling' about Titanic. He ended up losing his life in the sinking.

[@fhjchcnhcnchdhd3590]

Hey Sam! One of another Titanic passenger “predicted” called W.T Stead made a book that talks about a ship rescuing the passengers of another ship that was sunk by an iceberg. Can you do a video about it? He also died on the RMS Titanic and also often said that he would die drowning or lynching.

[@ncsquatch2514]

I suspect that if he was aware of the effect of the labrador current he may also have had some knowledge regarding the time of the year that icebergs would be more prevalent or more likely to go unseen

[@SkyKing58318]

Maybe Eva's mother read Morgan's book... So, a lot of these points you made about prediction v. coincidence I agree with. And it was the Ship Builder (I have everyone of their Ocean Liners of the Past series) who, describing the Olympic Class's water tight bulkheads as, "...practically rendering them unsinkable..." started the misquoted believe of unsinkability. And that is what White Star was responding to, kind of like 1912's version of legal disclaimers and "Coffee is Hot". I have this book on my shelf. It's a short book and it was originally called Futility - until his publisher or maybe even Robertson himself changed it to The Wreck of the Titan in 1912 which, seems odd, what happened in 1912? He wrote a lot, I mean A LOT, but was never able to really support himself from writing - hence why I may believe it was Robertson who may have had something to do with the name change. Futility is really a love story about a down and out sailor who loved this woman, but she got married to a rich guy and had a little girl. The Titan not only hits the berg, but it runs up on a slope of the thing, and falls over on it's starboard side, then slips into the sea that way, taking nearly everyone with her. The Sailor and the little girl end up on the Iceberg, and he defends her against cold and if you can believe it, Polar Bears. However, Robertson did have a nautical background. You can tell it if you read this book; the first chapter is devoted to describing the Titan, and I would say that he does it almost lovingly. His father was a Captain of a ship on the Great Lakes, and Robertson himself went to sea and served in the merchant service from 1876 to 1899. He even worked his way up to First Mate, though Wikipedia does not give any more specific information as to whether this was on the Lakes or Ocean, or what ship. So, I need to do some more digging. So, he MAY have known about the Labrador Current, and April being a bad month for Icebergs, and as the whole ship business was expanding like today's Information Age Technology, he may have known it was inevitable that ships would get that big or larger. Now, queue the Twilight Zone music: According to Wikipedia, "in 1914, in a volume that also contained a new version of Futility, Robertson included a short story called "Beyond the Spectrum", which described a future war between the United States and the Empire of Japan, a popular subject at the time. Japan does not declare war but instead launches sneak attacks on United States ships enroute to the Philippines and Hawaii; an invasion fleet about to launch a surprise attack on San Francisco is stopped by the hero using the weapon from a captured Japanese vessel. The title refers to an ultraviolet searchlight used by the Japanese, but invented by the Americans, to blind American crews. How 'bout them apples?

[@KG-gq9it]

Sam, I think whispers or rumors or something about Titanic was around at the time of it being unsinkable. Because Eva harts mothers reasoning for not wanting to sail on titianic was because calling a ship unsinkable is defying god. Or something like that.

[@pjprikolasyoutube1759]

1912 april was warmest month during lot years. That explain why could be good time for struck iceberg

[@brianw612]

The book depicts a vessel with four live funnels, as we all know, the Titanic only had three.

[@AmazingKevinWClark]

I have a way to rationally explain the second story. Maybe it was an aspect of her personality and she worried often. She would often be wrong about impeding Doom but in the one case of the Titanic it turned out to be the rare exception. She could also have been afraid of traveling by ship.

[@reminiscer15]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, I'll be honest there has been times where I've had a horrible gut feeling about something and sometimes it winds up being true. It could happen to anyone, only other possibility is she found out about some flaw on the ship that made her feel unsafe but that is very unlikely.

[@Chris-ln6so]

As you say, there are some incredible coincidences, but they are precisely that (and there’s a logical basis for most of them)

[@Someguy4007]

Do what if titanic engines were all turbine engines

[@InGovWeMistrust]

Last time I was this early James Cameron only had 20 Oscar’s.

[@NautilusGoose]

He should have recieved 20 Oscar's just for completing The Abyss imho.

[@Immortalcheese]

I study statistics and probability and I have a lot of knowledge when it comes to discussing any prediction of the future. Here's the typical answer: First, any piece of fiction will have THOUSANDS if not millions of variables that are discussed in the story's events. When you combine it with the thousands of pieces of fiction out there, it's a near 100% guarantee that for any future event that happens there will be a story that is very predictable. Second, humans are very good at predicting general behaviour of humans, even when we don't realize it. Robertson was interested in ships, so he could probably guess what new ships and styles will come out at the time. There is probably a reason he chose April - it may have corresponded with higher traffic in ocean travels, it may have corresponded with higher rates of wrecks, who knows. Even if it was random, there is still a 1/12 chance of picking the same month as the Titanic's sinking which is not a very bad odd. Basically, if you make millions of predictions about something, chances are many of them will come true. And our bias is to only point out those that did come true and see your predictions as some sort of accurate premonition. If look at every event - those that came true and those that didn't - you'll always find overwhelming majority of events did not happen. As for Eva's case, it's very similar to what I said above. Think of it like this: every plane has people on it who think the plane will crash. Every ship has people on it who think the ship will sink. 999,999,999/1,000,000,000 times they walk off the vessel and nothing happened. Why did Eva freak out when the switch happened though? Eva could have had anxiety or OCD wherein when the switch happened she sees it as a bad omen because it goes outside a prescribed set of events. Her insisting to stay up at night is evidence of some mental health disturbances that override normal body functioning - especially at the time when it would be a social norm to willingly stay up at night (this was a time when most people were in bed by 9:00 PM at night).

[@skywardguy9081]

Hi Sam. What about all the millions of people who have a 'premonition' about something bad happening that never happens? Too many people dismiss these 'premonitions' when trying to force logic on the extremely rare occasion when there is a tragedy that someone has predicted.

[@Maritime_History]

Are you now going to be doing the Mary Celeste (because it is the second most voted topic on the poll) or the final Olympic video? Also, did you read the book for this video or did you do a research? Anyways, it was a nice video!

[@candyarellano7244]

Can't stop addicted to the shindig

[@darcythmpsn1]

I am really enjoying your videos. I have always been drawn to the Titanic. I have had a life long fear of water and have always felt I was there. LOL I promise, I am not crazy. I was wondering if you and/or any other subscribers feel this way?