Was this actually the dumbest thing the Sequels added to the canon?

[@1001History]

The amount of mental gymnastics required for this whole story to work is insane. Skipping about 50 plot conveniences, it just so happens the person Kylo shares this stupid "force dyad" with came across the droid who had some plans (or message? I've wiped these movies clean from my mind) lost in the desert and draws her into the story.

[@PixelKatana]

The dagger broke me. I had heard the leaks and it was so absolutely cartoonish that of course it had to be true.

[@dereklopez9060]

Whoever came up with the idea of "Force Dyad" and the name itself sounds very lame. It sounds like Force Diet Coke or something.

[@arbhall7572]

Modern Star wars is just pure ass.

[@ian-flanagan]

Isn’t that the same as Luke buying the droid sent out by his sister? Edit: Although I guess the Obi-Wan connection reduces the odds from astronomical to merely 1 in a million (aka Holdo odds)

[@joaopedrorosa6198]

​@@dereklopez9060It Was First seen in Star Wars Kotor between bastila and Revan. And worked Very well

[@Kilgore6549]

Every time someone tries to explain a stupid part of the sequels, it makes me realize that I have not begun to fathom the incompetence of the writers.

[@jshooper7819]

Rey steals Kylo's powers Steals the Skywalker name Takes Han's ship Uses Anakin & Luke's lightsaber (then destroys it) All she does is take and get things she doesn't deserve and hasn't earned. Sounds familiar...

[@riccardoaimo6990]

Dont forget Bb 8

[@monicaaboites5053]

Despite that she doesn't identify with her last-name, she acts like a Palpatine in that aspect. Her contribution to the story is steal

[@smartalec2001]

She even ends up with the love of Leia's son, becoming the one who saves him. Supplanting his mother in his affections.

[@dereklopez9060]

Rey: Oh, uh. I just need to download Kylo Ren's training, that's about it. Jedi from the prequel trilogy: Years of academy training, wasted!

[@1001History]

Also, if anyone was able to force download, it would have been Anakin and/or Yoda. But alas, he could not. Instead KK gives her Mary Sue this wildly convenient USB drive.

[@monicaaboites5053]

That's why Rey can't be a canon character, she directly contradicts everything from the original and prequel trilogy.

[@dereklopez9060]

@@monicaaboites5053 Her entire character, along with the sequel trilogy is a walking contradiction to the prequel and original trilogy.

[@jiszmo6668]

I agree. However, if you think about it, Luke started training way later than any kid from the prequels. He would have been considered far too old. What I am saying is, the prequels F'd up. They were already ruining the story. Why should you need to be a kid when you start training, if Luke became the most powerful Jedi, with almost no training at all, and who started in adulthood? That being said, I still don't support Rey, or the entire stupid story from the sequels, which was created obviously to push a diversity quota. By people who themselves hadn't earned their position (KK). So why would they want Rey to earn hers?

[@johnhoran9840]

Hey! Spielberg says KK made great coffee!@@jiszmo6668

[@calvinmatthews1527]

It really is so frustrating how Disney spent this much money on one of the most well-known and lore-heavy franchises and do these kinds of things with it. For god's sake, they're professionals and they had NO plan whatsoever for what should've been an instant moneymaker!

[@Paradox-es3bl]

How many of them are actually professionals? JJ was the only person I heard of before these movies. RJ was a no-name. (Not counting people who left Ep 9) Tbf, though, I don't exactly know the names of writers and stuff... but my point is, they didn't have Spielberg or someone make a Star Wars. He probably would've made a plan. And followed it. Even if he had to follow JJ's arguable stupidity. (I maintain JJ is pretty good at a setup movie. The newest Star Trek reboot got me really interested, but the 2 sequels fell short. He could start trilogies but should stay away from the later movies completely)

[@CantankerousDave]

They bought it because they knew the "instant moneymaker part". All they cared about was squirting out a product so the money could start flowing. Not movies, not stories - products.

[@travismiller4320]

Disney knew they could take a big 💩in middle of street, stick a Star Wars name on it, and people would pay money to consume it like desperate sheep with FOMO.

[@gildor8866]

@@Paradox-es3bl You may not have heard of RJ, but he was not a nobody, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten the job (Disney wasn't entirely stupid). He had directed Looper, which is an excellent movie. And after it he went on with Knives Out and Glass Onion, both also very good. So a very capable man, though as it turned out clearly the wrong man for the job. What I find really exasperating about Disney is how so many people with good credentials deliver work that is so bad. The Mandalorian is the extreme example: the people responsible for seasons 1 and 2 are the same as for season 3, but the results are so different in quality. And when you look at Kenobi trying sneeking Leia out under his robe or desparately trying to open a barrier he could just walk around - that is bad on a level even amateurs would know to avoid.

[@benjaminjackson8663]

Unfortunately, "professional" today just means who you know, not what you can do. A better word for the people who mostly guide the industry today is "hacks."

[@lewatoaofair2522]

It again goes to show the befitting-ness of the Sequels being seen as “bad fan fiction”; all this surface-level understanding and key lore oversights in drafting these scripts.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

It's almost like that Canon Group they made to oversee all lore just never went over the draft of the movie scripts before production, despite that being like 90% of their job. (The other 10% being books and comics, since they're secondary canon, anyway) Hell, these may not be awful if they were first drafts, that then got heavily revised by the lore team, edited and rewritten like 5 more times, and THEN turned into movies... but instead we got First Draft Movies lol. I can only laugh so I don't cry. ._.

[@Xanman64-p6q]

I am so over trying to make something horribly written less horrible by making stuff up after the fact. The sequels do not exist in my canon, nor will I watch them again. Its the only way I can keep enjoying the George Lucas SW.

[@DeeperIntoTheUnknown]

George Lucas SW or content that actually respects his legacy

[@seancrowley3142]

I couldn’t agree with you more. These movies do not exist and I will never support any projects that directly relates to them.

[@mrfloosak]

I like the sequels more than the prequels!

[@1001History]

If I had a dollar for every time I've had sequel lovers say "BuT iT WaS eXPlaINeD iN thE NoVeLliSaTiOn", I'd be incredibly rich 😂

[@DeeperIntoTheUnknown]

@@mrfloosak what do you like about the Sequels that isn't done in the OT or PT?

[@nelguinevere4036]

Setting the stupidity of this whole thing aside for a minute, the biggest logical misstep here is that shouldn't she have become a Sith? She downloaded the mindset and knowledge of a Sith, after all. How she managed to immediately become a Jedi is beyond me. I mean everything here is beyond me, but this was at least an opportunity for some struggle for her, unlearning to be a Sith and learning to be a Jedi. But no. A Mary Sue can't fail.

[@riccardoaimo6990]

Because she only download the traning of Luke and not the bad one . She is so perfect 😂

[@nelguinevere4036]

@riccardoaimo6990 and very selective))) oh no! But then... she would have downloaded stuff from Jake Skywalker and so should have become a miserable coward))) man, there is just no way twisting this even for laughs)))

[@1001History]

They would've made so much more money if they made Finn the Jedi and Rey a side character, or sith/sidekick to Kylo. A Stormtrooper turned front man/Jedi for the resistance is wild.

[@philippeamon7271]

@@1001History How so? In the OT, we follow the story of a wannabe TIE-pilot, who goes on to lead the Rebellion AGAINST the Empire!

[@philippeamon7271]

The Jedi Order has 10.000 Jedi using a very similar pattern, creating a path of least resistance, like raindrops on glass. It makes it easier to learn/use Jedi stuff, but more difficult to do anything else on the Light Side. The Sith Lords do the same on the Dark Side, taking power from the Sith, in the Rule of Two, copying the Dyad pattern to try and trick the Force to make the Dyad real. When the last Sith Lord, Vader, dies, after Order 66, Balance is restored. The Sith Lord pattern no longer has the magnetic pull, that Count Dooku ultimately failed to resist. Hence the "forever will it dominate your destiny!" - It was never a function of evil, like you may have wanted to believe, but a function of Imbalance, and it's dominant patterns. If she immediately became a Jedi, why doesn't she Force Yeet? Why doesn't she Force Vault, to help Luke get the fish? Why doesn't she meditate until she gets to D'Qar? Why is it only rocks, she has power over? - that's not a Jedi thing. She can copy all of Kylo's stuff and put her own sparkle-glue on top, and turn it in as her answers. Doesn't mean she paid attention in class or learned how to use magic.

[@FingFantasticFox]

Rey using force lightning is so frustrating. From everything we’ve seen in both legends and canon force lightning is an extremely advanced dark side ability that too years to learn and many more to master. Many strong dark side users were unable to use it or could never learn the technique. Her stumbling upon it is so lore and power scale breaking.

[@janoslambert-cannon7146]

They cant even use the excuse that she downloaded that from Kylo's mind aswell as not even he could use it.

[@Daniel2374]

This ✓

[@philippeamon7271]

She is in the Dyad and had 2½ years to wallow in her Dark Side affiliation. It may be a lucky stumbling upon, but every Force user have their own aptitudes.

[@brianomdahl8377]

“How to fix the sequels…” STEP ONE: Purchase kerosene STEP TWO: Purchase lighter …

[@Jedishill680]

The bulk of being a Jedi is not swinging a lightsaber or using the force but when to do so, Qui Gon doesn’t ever threaten watto despite being a obstacle

[@originaldarkwater]

The way Rey grimaces and yells as she fights, it feels like she's been using the dark side all along. But I'm pretty sure Disney doesn't understand what the dark side is all about, or as likely as not, just don't care. When you're "punching up" all anger is justified, right? So how can that be the dark side?

[@philippeamon7271]

Bingo. She's a powerful Sith, though only really awakening after her run in with Kylo. But he's not a Sith Lord, just garden variety Sith. There is no pattern to pull her in and forever dominate her destiny, because Balance has been restored with Order 66 and Vader's death... Those patterns are rapidly disappearing. "Show me AGAIN, the Darkness!"

[@HeviNova]

The funny part is in RotJ Luke acts like a Jedi the whole movie. Armed with just a lightsaber, he keeps his friends safe by listening to the force and using it's precognition. Luke has a wisdom and confidence from his trust in the force. Just like Qui Gon. Rey has none of that and acts like a super hero with no wisdom. The sequels fail on all accounts with Luke and Rey.

[@atrydes]

Not really whole. Remember how Luke walk in the Jabba's palace?

[@fantasmarobatortas5]

Definitely resurrecting people, all of Star Wars is about Anakin being unable to accept the death of Padme and trying to find a way to revive her through the dark side. Rey reviving whoever she wants ruins the entire saga.

[@philippeamon7271]

She heals Kylo, but stabbing him with his red saber, so the wound might not have been fatal. She only revives Corpseror Gangrene, so she can defeat him and be hero. Who else would she want to revive? Not if it doesn't make her hero.

[@jshooper7819]

This reads like a ridiculous romance novel. It sounds like Kathleen Kennedy wrote this in her diary. It's reminiscent of how she was given control of LucasFilm without earning it.

[@jiszmo6668]

Exactly. You probably heard that new Lego Study, where girls that play with toys, turn the toys into representations of themselves. KK was turning Star Wars into a representation of herself.

[@yasyas618]

+1000 I was looking for a comment to add this to 😂 the wording is like 🫣 “as he rifled through her deepest private inner thoughts without her permission…. etc” 😏 o dang 👏😂 they could’ve just made good movies for the boys who like action, and then still made the dirty smut book versions for the girls who want to bang space wizards

[@imperialisticvonhabsburg3149]

The sheer volume of pure "stupid" in this movies is so great i bet you could make a whole channel around arguing what exactly is the most dense moment in this trilogy.

[@devinhargrave4723]

I think in addition to her never suffering from that power, its never really made note of by other characters. Why isn't Leia absolutely SHOOK that this absolute random nobody kid appeared from out of blue and is outshining every other living force user? No one in the resistance even bothers to try and figure out why she's as powerful as she is so that they themselves could help in the way that she has. It would be one thing if it were like Luke who had done really subtle things that one could dismiss as luck, but Rey is lifting dozens of boulders with her mind and blowing up ships with lightning stemming from her fingertips.

[@IsaacVizasLurie]

I think that's a big point. Is that Luke and even to a lesser extent, Cal, Kanaan and Ezra are subtler with their force powers. And even then people either treat them as "The Jedi" with reverence, curiosity or skepticism.

[@philippeamon7271]

I mean, psychological suffering is always a thing, for Rey as well. But the others don't know (Droids are not allowed at the Cantina, the second Death Star, and Ahch-To). Even Rey doesn't know the atrocities her desire to be a hero is causing, in her desperate search for a false villain. Leia isn't shook, she had to try and help Luke at the Academy in the beginning, but between his first students, searching for student, and trying to figure out why the Acaademy wasn't really making meaningful progress, he had no time to train her, so she had to go look for other sources, like Holdo's witch coven. Ever since, she's relapsed into her blue milk addiction, due to the intensity of the Dark Side's call to her (Fischer's coke nails). But she does know, that Anakin wasn't the only one to ever use the Force, a rare few people just have that gift. The Resistance is fighting a losing battle, and all they may have heard of Space Wizards is you either can, or can't. They don't have time to try people at random, and don't know, that they could simply do blood samples to test for M-count. Rocks is Rey's specialty, she's extra OP with rocks. Lightning is Rey's most recent ability - they'd never seen anything like that before, but they're like huh? space wizards gonna space wizard, I guess... And a bunch of people who find out, are gonna be scared, and demand for laws against space magic.

[@Daemonik]

There's a lot of contenders, but this is definitely a frontrunner.

[@d_d_greatness5887]

I think Disney simply didn’t want anything to do with the prequel trilogy so they never thought about the amount of training it would take for someone to learn to use the force. They really just wanted to remake the originals.

[@philippeamon7271]

PT & OT: Imbalance in the Force, no Dyad. Rule of Two Dyad-igniter: No Dyad, time and again. (except maybe Revan and Bastilla) ST: Balance and Dyad. The fact that you can copy my test answers and put your own sparkle-glue on top, doesn't make you better at the subject of the test. Nice answers, but you're still clueless.

[@genius2005]

That's why this DUMB NONSENSE will NEVER be RECOGNIZED as CANON!

[@nichlaschristensson1055]

It was one of the dumbes thing Together with the physical face time calls and that you could fight someone without being at the same place etc. But to stick with this, it's the same as that anyone can be a Jedi if they just want it enough. Why search force force sensitive kids if you can take any teenager or young adult in the neighbourhood. It just gets stupid

[@emberfist8347]

And Palpatine having fathered a clone Star Destroyers in Atmosphere that don’t know how to go up people forgetting about Jetpacks lightsabers because lightbats etc.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

​@@emberfist8347clone son is better than people thinking Palpatine f*cked

[@emberfist8347]

@@Hello-bi1pm He did though that clone is still Palpatine.

[@janoslambert-cannon7146]

Being a jedi is supposed to be extremely rare, with only a select few having the potential. On top of that it is supposed to take years of training amd experience to wield the force effectively in a fight. Both the prequels, the OT, clone wars and rebels all emphasised this really well. With Anakin, Luke and Ezra only being able to use the force to guide them at first, like when Anakin and Luke having it guide their actions whilst piloting and Ezra using it to dodge blaster fire. None of them can use it offensively or wield a lightsaber without training and experience, with Luke and Anikan not using telekenesis until their second films and Ezra not being able to use it consistently til season 2 of rebels, despite being told how. Rey and Sabine though just "unlock" the force, both wiedlig it to ridiculous extents the first time. Sabine used the force for the first time to pick up a saber, then immediatly frows Ezra and then proceeds to fight storm troopers, deflecting blaster bolts and pushing troopers simultaneously. When Ezra used telekenesis for the first time, he was dazed and confused, hera having to take him back to the ghost. After this he still struggled to use it unlike Sabine. Rey just pulls a new force ability out of thin air every single fight without being trained. Both Rey and Sabine's power feels undeserved as they go straight from o to 100. Star wars fans like to see a charcter grow and become more powerful overtime, not just see a girl boss make the force look lile childs play.

[@philippeamon7271]

@@emberfist8347 Palpatine, the master of contingencies and back-up plans (incl. Operation Cinder), who orchestrated the Clone Wars and desired immortality. Infinite Death Star Destroyers in SpacegHell, built underneath the crushing ice, just like Palpatine can't leave for some reason, but are totally real you guys, trust me, bro. Jetpacks: I haven't figured that one out. I'm stupid. (Maybe just the Republic didn't pay for it, the Empire had no clones that could, the First Order has infinite NPCs and magic money). (No match for a good blaster) L4z0r s04rD + Force user = Lightsaber. + frequency attunement + magic power = invulnerable lethal magic wand.

[@metalrooster4940]

There have been plenty of "dumb"/lore breaking errors since the Disney era began. The Star Wars fiction makes far less sense now, and is essentially broken. Here is some of a post I made months ago stating some of the issues: There are so many instances of things happening, and suddenly being possible in Disney's Star Wars fiction which create continuity issues that can't be resolved due to conflicting with George Lucas Star Wars. Before Disney, We always see ships moving away from planets before jumping to hyperspace. In Episode V the reason the rebels use an ion cannon to disable the star destroyers is so they can get past them, and far enough from Hoth to jump to hyperspace. Would it not have been safer to jump directly form within the atmosphere of Hoth, and not go near the Star Destroyers? It was done in both Rouge One on Jedda, and many times in The Rise of Skywalker. Yes, I know about the Clone Wars "Jedi Crash" episode, but at least back then the production teams could admit they made a continuity error. All of the Disney released films so far have violated how hyperspace works. If the "Holdo Maneuver" worked then where are all the Hyperspace torpedos? Certainly that would be a technology worth developing. If the "Holdo Maneuver" worked the why would anyone build large spacecraft, or battle stations? They would only be a liability. It would be a simple matter for any pirate to hold entire worlds hostage. If Hyperspace worked as it has been portrayed in Disney's Episode VII, VIII, IX, Solo, and Rouge One films, then the Star Wars galaxy should be very different from how it is portrayed, not only concerning warfare. If physical objects can be teleported though the force, and force ghosts can interact with these objects, then why not simply have Luke manifest beside threats like Palpatine, with a lightsaber, and deal with them without putting the living in danger? Of course now the force can not only heal mortal wounds rapidly, but can also resurrect the dead. The writers that Disney/Lucasfilm are choosing, and have chosen to write within this fiction have not, for whatever reason keep the continuity consistent with its own fiction, and do not seem to be asking themselves if what they are writing works or is beneficial to the greater fiction. No more hyperspace getaways because ships are now trackable in hyperspace. They where no fun anyway, right? Ultimately the current state of Star Wars feels that of a case of public, and fan apathy reflecting the apathy of the current people making Star Wars.

[@Milothemighty10]

Seriously, according to the sequels, the force, lets you do anything it’s really stupid. I once saw a video on why Toy story four failed its characters. That’s another movie I personally hate but that’s a whole other story, but in the video the guy said “ the writers just wanted their story in this universe. They never stop to consider how their story would affect the largest story as a whole kind of like what Rian Johnson did with Luke Skywalker in the last Jedi”…

[@dereklopez9060]

"That's not how the Force works!" The way Harrison Ford delivers the line in TFA, perfectly sums up the entire sequel trilogy on how they utilize the Force. It's like he's telling that this is so stupid. He even looked like he was about to laugh by the tone of his voice.

[@kurtmccathron3781]

Yeah the Force is reduced to a “Deus ex machine” which cheapens everything.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Boy did Toy Story 4 massacre its characters. Like turning Buzz into an idiot.

[@ian-flanagan]

@@vetarlittorf1807Bo Peep turned into _strongfemalecharacter_

[@dereklopez9060]

@@vetarlittorf1807 The ending of Toy Story 3 was absolutely tear jerking, yet it had a very impactful send off to the trilogy. Toy Story 4 was completely unnecessary.

[@Vikingmetal82]

"Only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor. If you end your training now, if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil. So, a download of my Jedi-Master Skills, prepared I have".

[@kalzium8857]

Rey is a badly designed character. She is basicly a "force vampire" that steals everything around her. Kylos force powers, stolen. Han's knowledge of the millenium falcon, stolen. Rey is a character that doesn't earn anything by herself. Everything is downloaded or stolen. With stolen i mean if the affected person is suddenly unable to perform their task. Therefore Rey seems like a vampire.

[@SamGutermuth]

If they wanted a super powerful main character, it would need to be handled like Superman. Their struggle is trying not to hurt people.

[@pbh9195]

Guess Jj Abrums thought making Ray Palpatine's granddaughter would make a better explanation Wrrrrrrroooooooooong

[@shockwave75]

Her Force download would've been actually interesting if she had started drifting towards the Dark Side, requiring correction from Luke and Leia, and demonstrating why the Jedi don't use this "download" ability, because it's too easy. It kind of reminds of one of the aspects of Starfleet's Prime Directive; that you can't instantly transform a "primitive" society with super advanced technology over night, because they're not ready for it. They didn't earn it the hard way, and therefore didn't learn any of the difficult lessons that one can only learn through failure. Making them much more likely to abuse that power. There's a Voyager episode about this where they have to deal with the remnants of a society that found a very early Earth probe that had been loaded with the knowledge of how to build a warp drive and use anti-matter, in the hopes that whoever found it would use the knowledge to "join them amongst the stars". But what they did was use it to create weapons and reactors that left their world an irradiated wasteland, because they weren't ready for that power.

[@bluemoondm8629]

Looking back on it, it would have been far, far more interesting if Rey became the bad guy. She gains all this incredible power with so little effort... she should have become enamored with the Dark Side and fallen.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

They couldn't do that with the First* Female Jedi. (*From their perspective, aside from Ahsoka, because casuals may not have watched the show... and nobody remembers Aayla Secura or Shaak Ti, and Legends aren't canon) It's almost like they have a stupid perspective lol. And shouldn't have been put in charge of Star Wars. I wish Lucas would straight up say, "It was a mistake to trust KK and sell Star Wars to Disney." There would be RIOTS, though, if Disney didn't immediately give SW back to Lucas or at least hire him and replace KK with him. (Then they can keep the rights and keep making money) Then we'd get the Whills, though, which are dumb af. Sorry Licas and Lucas fans, but they are.

[@philippeamon7271]

She IS the main villain of the ST. There are multitudes of Rey (in the Dark Side mirror), including her "parents". One eats the Emperor and becomes Dark Rey. Another takes the Throne and becomes Rey Palpatine. She regrets it, though, and goes back in time to fix her nonsense, until she get's to Tatooine, where Rey confirms to her, that she is now on the path to become a Skywalker, instead. And the "...but Rey isn't here, is she?" means, she probably is. Wearing her space slug outfit. She is the reason the First Order becomes mindlessly evil Space Notsees, she makes the energy collector, that already destroys entire star systems, into a super laser that can.... destroy star systems, because that looks more like an evil Death Star, to prove how evil they are. And she resurrects Corpseror Gangrene and destroys Kijimi, to prove how much of a good hero she really is. Like how all men are evil and violent, just keep kicking them in the nut-sack, it may take a while, but eventually their true vile nature will spill out of them, if you keep kicking them in the nut-sack. Then you can be the hero for all the innocent girls and women, by ruining the man's life, which serves him right for being so mean and unreasonable in the first place, lol. Anakin fulfilled the prophecy of the Chosen One. Now there's Balance in the Force, an interference pattern. The big band in the middle, is the Dyad, a super Whill swarm. But the Sith Lords are gone - there is no dominant pattern to suck in and corrupt the Dark Side users, forever dominating their destiny, anymore.

[@johnny.V03]

It seems like Disney put more effort into retconning the Sequels than the Sequel Trilogy itself.

[@solarbear7229]

Somehow.....Palpatine returned

[@Geekezf]

It's kinda incredible that even in the Matrix, where you see the chosen one downloadind a lot of knowledge in his brain. He still cannot defeat as easily the agents or the machines such as easily Rey did. Even after unlocking all of his powers, he couldn't defeat the bad guy in Revolutions. He had to use a smart move to defeat him..

[@raiderlove5923]

IMO The Last Jedi as a whole made no sense at all. It truly felt like it's own stand alone movie since it didn't follow a lot of what The Force Awakens had set up.

[@christianmestre9156]

I remember hearing from the novelization of Rise of Skywalker, it said Kylo was weak because Chewbacca shot him. So he wasn't at his fullest when fighting Rey in Force Awakens. I remember thinking why wasn't it in the movie.

[@jacob5395]

The healed wound from a blaster still has effects, but a Lightsaber stab doesn't?

[@emberfist8347]

I never bought that because he beat Finn despite that. And I think he is still standing after taking a miniature rail-gun to torso when we have seen it floor and kill others, he shouldn’t too badly injured.

[@emberfist8347]

@@jacob5395It isn’t even a blaster a bow caster uses projectiles and operates like a mini-rail gun it is why the film treats it as a BFG.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

A later book, "Skywalkers Family at War (2021)", says that Chewie's bowcaster bolt "hits true, penetrating the armour covering Ren's abdomen, but only grazed his flesh." The Disney canon is just a mess.

[@janoslambert-cannon7146]

i thought when Rey gets trained by Luke it is revealed she knows nothing about the force, thinking it is a power she has. If she gained Kylo's knowledge of the force, she would at least know the basics. Her just selectively getting the cool abilities like mind tricks, telekenesis, etc shouldn't be possible without a basic understanding of what the force is.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Not true. Think Sorcerers vs Wizards in D&D. Sorcerers think it's just a power they have to cast Fireball, whereas Wizards study The Weave and learn how to manipulate it with sigils and glyphs and incantations to do the same. Rey basically thinks she's a Sorcerer and Wizard Luke tries to teach her that's not how it works.

[@markamadeojohnson]

I thought they explained how she didn't need to take years training to control her emotions. Something along the lines of having spent her entire life being catcalled and mansplained to, she is much better at controlling her anger than other jedi because she has had to do it infinitely more than they have.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Lmao

[@darrengaroutte7744]

The biggest issue with Rey, in wrestling terms, is she was booked poorly. Throughout wrestling history, the majority of promotions made sure to make the heels champions more often than the faces because people love the chase more than the end result. You still need the hero to go over, but you also need to give the heel an out so you don't neuter them. If a villain/heel can get you mad they can get you invested. They are in a lot of ways more essential than the hero. Stealing an idea from Chris Gore, just imagine if Kylo had destroyed Rey in their first fight, cutting off a limb or two or all four. How much does that automatically have you starting to route for her to make a comeback.

[@paul46403]

The kayfabe is strong in this comment. Great analogy.

[@Davidbmr1970]

The quick and easy path is the way to the dark side. Jar Jar Abrams apparently can't read.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

The "force download" was just a poorly thought out retcon to address criticisms of Rey being a Mary Sue in TFA because lets be honest she was. The Dyad was yet another poorly thought out retcon to attempt to fix the previous retcon and the Mary Sue problem. The ST is poorly built on a poor foundation that occurred when they reset the state of play to Rebels vs Empire 2.0 and regressed the OG character arc's while at the same time making the New Republic badly incompetent, no matter how many retcon's or fixes they try, it still collapses in the end as a dud story.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

I still say the "lightspeed ramming" that happened in TLJ is the dumbest thing possible, because it breaks the back of everything we know about Star Wars naval combat and why anyone would even bother making a large warship. If all it takes to destroy not just 1 ship but every nearby ship is ramming it with an object going at lightspeed? It was so bad, Abrams had to retcon it as "a one in a million chance" but that raises further questions, like why not try to experiment with it to make it more reliable? It's a huge shift in warfare the moment someone devises a way to consistently do it.

[@Moonbeast_1138]

Hey Thor, have you heard about the alleged leaked original draft of Episode 8? One where Luke was at that ancient Jedi temple reaching out to Force sensitive children around the galaxy and "boosting" their abilities when they needed help, and that was why Rey was able to do what she does with the Force in TFA. What do you think of that concept?

[@999999SkyGuy]

Rey already defeated Kylo Ren in combat. That's already enough damage done to the concept of Jedi Training even without TLJ. Apparently the dark said is fuelled by pain and it's implied on Mustafar that Anakin only survived due to his strong connection to the force. Well, I didn't like this indication that the force could keep you alive after your entire body stood in flames. Didn't work for Kylo Ren after he faces the obstacles of Chewi's bowcaster and Finn's single hit on Kylo's shoulder. Hm?

[@nooneofimportance2110]

Rey, (like everything in the sequel series) was nothing but missed opportunities. They could have done something very interesting with her power ... but didn't. They could have done something interesting with her lineage ... but didn't. They could have done something interesting with her personality ... but didn't. They could have done something interesting with her story ... and you guessed it, they didn't. They literally had an entire galaxy of possibilities ... and they chose the safest most mundane thing to do. Rey downloading Ben Solo's training was just one of the dumber things that happened in the trilogy, but the few things they got right are completely overshadowed by what went wrong. I've ranted about them too much, so I'm just going to say that Rey just turned into yet another a disappointment.

[@philippeamon7271]

Her power? She's the first rock space wizard, and the first Dyad in over a thousand years. She's also the first to have an innate Force Xerox ability. Her lineage? She's her own parents, in the mirror, that shows she is multitudes in infinite dimensions. There's an old crone Rey Palpatine, an geriatric man eater, Dark Rey, and also a Skywalker, and probably a space slug ("...but Rey isn't here, is she?") Her personality? Selfish and irresponsible, dissonantly happy (psychosis?), very un-hero like personality Her story? She spends 3 movies getting what she wants at everybody else's expense, and only barely scratches the surface on understanding, that she is the main villain. It's all different from anything we've seen before, but that's not interesting?

[@nooneofimportance2110]

@@philippeamon7271 Your comment made me laugh. The sarcasm is appreciated.

[@augustlion5105]

"We keep writing ourselves into a corner. JJ, whada we do?"

[@0Defensor0]

Would it really worth trying to fix the sequels? We're talking about 3 movies that quite literally fighting each other, there was no greater plan to begin with, and in case of the last movie there wasn't even a script! They were just shooting marketing mandated scenes and trying to patch them together in a form that remotely resembled a movie.

[@lucajohnson8318]

Hey Thor: Sorry if I missed it but did you ever do a full review of Jedi: Survivor? I'd love to get your full thoughts on that game's story, Cal Kestis' character ark and the romance and the main themes of the game! As I say, may have just missed the video but would love the review! Thanks!

[@michaellane5381]

Even Maas and Rose seem to know more jedi Wisdom than Rey does in the finale.

[@Starvin-Marvin]

I thought Rey being powerful was a KotOR type thing where we’d later find out she had forgotten her training or maybe she was accidentally using a dark side, quick & easy path.

[@raymondtillotson6985]

How to fix the sequels: Keep them away from Disney.

[@istari0]

All they did was invent this whole explanation to fix their massive plot hole. Then they added another explanation to try and fix the first one. Stupidity on top of stupidity; now that's a losing combination.

[@14bface]

The dislike of the sequels has been there since they came out but I am seeing more and more of it now. Even on channels that were more positive about them. And even in traditional media you are seeing more being honest about it being a mess

[@nathank2289]

Well Disney ran out of the bribe budget

[@jiszmo6668]

Probably because when they came out, there was no other Star Wars contennt. So fans had to either like them, or abandon Star Wars altogether. I abandoned Star Wars all together, even before the sequels. I have never even watched the prequels. Star Wars had ended to me, after the original trilogy, of which I was a massive fan, one of the biggest at the time. I only got back into it for the streaming shows. They are good, and in the proper timeline (immediately after Return of the Jedi), unlike all of the other movies. You see, it wasn't Star Wars' fault, that I abandoned it at that time. I was against prequels in general. But also, the first prequel looked stupid as hell, IMO. And no movie since has looked any good either. I probably will watch Dave Feloni's movie though. Because it will be in the proper timeline. (admittedly I have went back and watched all the cartoons, which were in the prequel timeline too.) To be honest though, I was so confused by the timeline, by that point, that I didn't even realize until it was too late. I did end up enjoying the cartoons though, and may even view the prequel films now, since they sucked me into that world, for better or worse. No reason to view the sequels though, as like you mention, I see alot of videos like these criticizing them.

[@14bface]

@@jiszmo6668 thanks for sharing your relationship with Star wars. I didn’t like the prequels when they first came out. The overall story was good but the execution from a dialogue perspective, directing, bad cgi, and acting was hard to watch. Over the years I have grown to enjoy them. The cartoons have made them more enjoyable too. Sequels have nothing to offer since there is not a compelling overall story and it crapped on the legacy.

[@HK-vq1xb]

No it was most definitely the Holdo maneuver. For one singular spectacular (I'll admit it was visually stunning, especially being back dropped with silence) moment they called into question the space battle tactics of every previous battle. Especially from the droid armies.

[@emberfist8347]

No it was the C-3P0 memory wipe thing showing they didn’t even watch the original movies to know C-3P0 had two before hand with no Ill effects.

[@HK-vq1xb]

@@emberfist8347 that's just because the first 2 wipes were administered by competent professionals 😉

[@emberfist8347]

@@HK-vq1xb I don't think Cad Bane counts as a professional.

[@HK-vq1xb]

@@emberfist8347 That wasn't what I was saying though. Think more meta than literal.

[@jameskirk4692]

It's clear as day that you know how stories/scripts should be structured and written in order to be worthy, cohesive, interesting and entertaining. I agree with how you approach analysis of existing stories and towards adding/creating your own elements or modifying elements of existing stories. Always your idea of how story should have gone is for me so much more interesting and fun then what we got was. I definitely want you to continue any and all creative projects you have desire to do, which includes you doing the sequels stories, in any way you see fit. I am looking forward to sequels rewriting and all your future projects. Enjoy yourself creating your content and I will enjoy myself very much by listening to your results/fruits of your effort and creativity. 😊 Thank you for this video and all other videos so far! Cheers!

[@jaredlocke4300]

Hey Thor, have you ever had a Star Wars discussion with Star Wars theory? Would you ever consider a collaboration with him?

[@Oscar-mh7ez]

Honestly I don’t think much can truly be salvaged from the sequels except for the main cast like Rey Poe and Finn but you would have to re write some of the events and their backstories entirely just to get a cohesive story. I do think Rey learning the force in 30 seconds like Neo was one of the dumbest things they could have done. Even if it somehow made sense her just knowing how to influence people’s minds and having instant access to power like that would be very corrupting to someone who essentially lived isolated or under a rock so to speak. I think Rey should’ve went dark side but current Disney would never have allowed that. However there’s so many ways they could’ve gone with the narrative that anything would have been better than what we got.

[@themightytropius1953]

This is your daily reminder that the Disney trilogy is the laziest, most corner-cutting, uninspired sludge ever put to film and we deserved so, so much more.

[@wywrd_mtnt]

saw who was in the thumbnail and my brain immediately answered "yes"

[@LightsCameraKonkle]

Disney ruined George’s beautiful creation.

[@KingBuilder525]

It's not just lore-breaking, it's also incredibly lazy writing. They just gave the protagonist what she needed without earning it either through trial or character growth or ideally both. We don't get to see her overcome overcome an obstacle or get any interesting character interactions or learn anything that will effect her character arc.

[@jcohasset23]

It could have worked if the plan had been for Rey to be at serious risk of falling to the Dark side (or actually falling) due to her abilities having her act like a vigilante and not having the patience for the Jedi training that would let her use those abilities correctly and for the "Light". The problem is Rey was given really poor character growth and a lack of realistic flaws that one would expect with her background. Maybe the story would have been more coherent if the same writers had done all three movies but it is really a testament to the lack of planning at Lucasfilms that such a mess of a trilogy was made of the sequels.

[@brianmcguinness9642]

Downloading knowledge of a technique from someone else's mind wouldn't grant you the muscle memory, well-honed instincts, and automatic reactions obtained from actual practice that give you a real edge in combat.

[@originaldarkwater]

Like the "thin lightsaber" from a few days ago, I think these things just come from random Story Group members trying to retroactively fix mistakes

[@6runger]

I am really looking forward to your series fixing the sequels. Keep it up man. Love your channel

[@donovannotmyname7306]

I think a rewrite of the sequels would be neat. One thing I always saw as a missed opportunity was the idea that Jakku was a sort of Davis Monthon AFB Boneyard that was filled with imperial equipment waiting to be scrapped.

[@billweithman52]

Rey is a Disney Princess and the Force is her fairy godmother…

[@bwtv147]

The simple answer is correct. Rey is a Mary Sue insert avatar of Kathleen Kennedy and therefor infallible.

[@mcash232]

So the KK self-insert inherited great power from (*gasp*) a MAN?! Didn't think about this one carefully, did they? Lol (Kinda fitting, actually, since KK inherited Lucasfilm from George.) I'm being facetious, of course, but this is a really dumb idea on so many levels. The concept of learning by living another's experience/training could be cool under the right circumstances and handled in a better way, but it really doesn't fit Star Wars.

[@nichlaschristensson1055]

If Ray for example was the daughter of Luke and maybe Mara-Jade as I hoped al the way from where Daisy was presented as playing Rey until I saw TlJ. Then we could assume she might have gotten some force knowledge before she was taken to Jakku. Also her quick awakening could have been more understandable. But I look forward to your "remake"

[@jiszmo6668]

There's one other thing that I'd like to mention, relating to your points. That is that people like weaker characters that have to struggle to succeed, in general. I got to thinking about this because of Sabine Wren (from Ahsoka). She was weak in the force, and basically couldn't use it at all. I liked that, because it seemed to promise that she wouldn't become a Mary Sue. Alot of people started to get into the Ahsoka show. But then, in the last episode, what happened? After a force grab of a lightsaber during a stressful, life or death situation, less than 5 minutes later, she force pushes Ezra 100 meters uphill onto Thrawn's ship. That still ticks me off. The lightsaber grab was okay. That was one small use of the force. I think it felt natural in the situation. We all expected Sabine to get some small use of the force, otherwise why even have that storyline. But, that force push, besides being completely ludicrous, and completely irresponsible for her to even suggest (she had no reason to think she could do it), it also basically says that she is now a Mary Sue. I mean how can you come back from that. From now on, Sabine is a super powerful force user, for no reason, and against everything that the show had previously stated, (such as Huyanng saying that she had less ability than anyone he had seen, in 20 thousand years of being alive). So, I am upset a bit about that decision. Why is it so hard for them to realize that we don't mind a weaker character (in the force, not necessarily weak in general). Even Luke was weak in the force, until finally in Return of the Jedi he got some power (though not enough to force push someone 100 meters, he even had to have his lightsaber launched to him that same distance by R2.). Now that was a pay off, seeing Luke finally be sort of tough. Then in The Mandalorian season 2, he showed up even tougher, which was awesome. But that was 50 years later (real time). He had definitely earned it by then.

[@miragewizard]

I think it's great to rewrite Ahsoka and the Sequels! But I wouldn't restrict yourself to just the framework of Ahsoka or the Sequels. To be quite honest, I would scrap the whole thing and just start over fresh, perhaps working moreso with George's framework that he shared with Disney rather than the framework that Disney came up with.

[@tarrickmerdev2324]

This type of power was not unheard of in the canon or the EU either. The Jedi Council and Vader could, at a minimum, read surface thoughts and it isn't much of a stretch to think that they (or someone trained specifically for it) could potentially do more with a focused, forced attempt. In the EU, pulling more specific thoughts and memories was more generally associated with the dark side and a violent action. I believe it was Kyp Durron that ripped someone's thoughts from their mind, leaving them nearly catatonic in the process. I may be wrong on the exact character, but I know that I recall it happening in one of the earlier EU novels (pre-NJO).

[@GoldeneyeDoubleO7]

that passage almosts sounds like an erotica

[@nonamecommenter3005]

"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit... Wisdom is knowing not to put one in a fruit salad."

[@cd5sircoupe]

The sequels in a nutshell: TFA - fun nostalgia trip with some issues. TLJ - at least the cinematography looked amazing. TRoS - the creatives were on way too much coke.

[@emberfist8347]

The cinematography was bad too the editing was too focused on close-ups when they weren’t needed and scenes weren’t blocked properly.

[@cd5sircoupe]

@@emberfist8347 TLJ had some great visuals, that's all I'm giving it. Make whatever nitpicks you want, I'm not a film maker and I don't care, I thought it looked awesome.

[@emberfist8347]

@@cd5sircoupe You just showed you don’t even know what cinematography is so I just suggest you don’t use that term.

[@cd5sircoupe]

@@emberfist8347 Excuse me? You just showed me you're a pretentious tryhard.

[@emberfist8347]

@@cd5sircoupe How is it pretentious to point out someone who is misusing a word.

[@MikeSidious]

Dumb is just the tip of the iceberg when describing the Disney Trilogy.

[@eds1942]

That’s my thoughts exactly. Though I guess they could claim that Rey was good and wasn’t given enough time for her new found powers to corrupt her. And then claim that Luke learned incredibly fast too, that Rey’s arc was the same as Luke’s arc. While the first claim makes some sense. Going forward after facing off against some of the most powerful Force users ever,.. and wining,.. and then to have seemingly nobody to guide her, that knew more than she did and how to keep her in check, grounded and going astray. And with Luke? Luke had a couple of years (~1.5) of training, practice, trial and error, big failures and successes, while learning the philosophy from one of the wisest and most experienced Force users of his day, Yoda, the former Jedi Grandmaster, who had 800 years of experience training Jedi. Plus some small bit of the same over a few years (~2.5) with and after Obi-Wan’s death, who was one of the most skilled and acclaimed Jedi of his time. (About 4.5 years all told), a Jedi who trained, knew and fought alongside of Anakin before he became Vader. Meanwhile, Luke understood that there were more stronger, more knowledgable and more experienced people out there. He would have his faith, resolve and emotions pressed to his limits. Plus he had brushed with his own Darkside, he knew his family’s dark history, learning the potentially negative and disastrous consequences of letting that rule him. (he could’ve easily killed his father, which was not want he wanted and realized that would’ve played into the Emperors plans, which would’ve made him as evil as they were. That if he did, he merely would’ve just taken their place. And yet, he knew from the start going in this that he was being trained to and had to destroy his father and the Emperor, that it was presumably “his destiny”). That was a bit of a mess. Thanks for bearing with me.

[@mikenayers5981]

Yes. Didn’t watch the video yet, but yes.

[@nathank2289]

Dont forgot that sith cult/slaves built thousands of Star Destroyers under the ice of a dead planet, with no food or metal... Yah Disney writers dont even try

[@emberfist8347]

Or the C-3P0 memory wipe. Why the hell would a memory wipe erase core programming it is a reset to the default settings. And why didn't that programming get erased in his prior two memory wipes?

[@philippeamon7271]

The Dyad is (now) what the Sith hoped they could manifest into existance by Bane's Rule of Two. In their way of twisting the Force to their will, they simply emulated that pattern, hoping that it would eventually be too easy for the Force to move like that, and make it an inevitable reality. But every time they tried it, there was already Imbalance in the Force (created by the repeated pattern of the Jedi Order and their 10.000 reiterators), and therefore, it couldn't happen. Think of the double-slit experiment: When you put a membrane over one of the slits, you can force individual particles to interface with it. That is how you can tell, which opening the particle went through. But this is called the Observer effect, in that it collapses the natural wave-function movement of the (electrons), when you force them to operate as particles. On the back wall, you see particle hits in only two bands, precisely where the openings are, moving in a straight line. However, when you do not force them to be either this or that, they remain in their wave-function: everything, everywhere, all at once. On the back wall, you'll see an interference pattern, where the wave tops of both slits smash into each other. That really thick band of particle hits right in the middle, between the two slits, is the Dyad, the smaller and smaller wave-top intersections are Demyads. (There is probably trinity in everything, so Light, Dark, and Balance side Demyads surrounding the Dyad). Under these conditions, the Force finds a way, to make the Dyad happen, just like it will always find a way of making the Prophecy of Mortis happen, irrespective of the Jedi's Chosen One manifestation thereof. In the Force, the effect is somewhat less immediate. The state of Imbalance is more of a progressive slope, where the Force gradually consolidates into just three dominant patterns, one pr. axis. Eventually, as it gets easier and easier to learn and use the Force in dominant patterns, it becomes more and more impossible to use the Light Side outside of the Jedi-pattern, impossible to use the Dark Side outside of the Sith Lord pattern, and impossible to use Balance outside of the Bendhu pattern. That is what Yoda is talking about, "once you strike down the Dark Path, forever will it dominate your destiny!"... not even Count Dooku, could resist the magnetic pull of the Sith Lord pattern in the Dark, when the Force is Imbalanced. After order 66, and the death of the last Sith Lord, Vader, Balance is restored. So that's why you don't see Sith Lord eyes on Rey. But from her ignorance, she really can't tell the difference between the Light, Dark, and Balance - they all come naturally to her, since the Whills will always swarm towards a Dyad. Kylo had been almost equally gifted, except for Force Xerox. But Rey was already using her powers, too. She magically created a prison of being traumatized and abandoned on Jakku, having to "maybe wait for someone, maybe, apparently perhaps". It was a comfortable response to her human-like question to her place in the galaxy, what she was supossed to spend her life on. It also wasn't difficult for Kylo to revert to the Light Side, after Leia stopped him from using the Emperor's power to kill Rey on Endor, she already had a copy of it, and the Dark Side was of no further use to him. He actually did prefer being Ben Solo. Later, Rey manifests (heroic starship), so she can meet Han, who, now, has been searching for it for a long time. Then she manifests the legendary hero's weapon into the posession of Maz Kanada, who seemingly, can't really say, how she acquired it. She turned the noble First Order, into mindlessly evil Space Notsees, and turned their energy harvester into a planet-destroying super-laser, even though Starkiller Base already destroys whole star systems, by eating their Sun. She just needs something that looks like a Death Star to exploderate. And brings Corpseror Gangrene back from the dead, so she can defeat him and be the hero.

[@SalAvenueNJ]

I thought they could have used Reys' success at the end of The Force Awakens to make her arrogant in a nieve way. Like she thought she'd be able to get Kylo Ren away from Snoke by herself. So She takes Lukes' X-Wing in the middle of the night and goes to get him. So Chewie and Luke have to hop in The Falcon and go after her. We could have got that Mando Season 2 scene on the big screen.

[@zahel-of-nalthis]

Speaking for myself, I don't think it's worthwhile trying to rewrite the sequels if only small tweaks are planned. Nothing short of a complete overhaul would satisfy me.

[@WillieHoule]

Im just sad knowing that these people got paid tons of money to write and film the sequel trilogy.

[@TheAETHER22]

I'm pretty sure the original plan was the force download for Rey like the force skype, whicu perfectly reflects the stupidity and intelligence of JJ and RJ ,but then the writers rushed to fix the mess as much as they could with novels and post disney comics. So yah, force Skype, force download was the original disney canon

[@jiszmo6668]

What you are suggesting, that power should be earned, not given, is fundamentally opposed to the mindset of Kethleen Kennedy (and arguably women everywhere). Kathleen Kennedy was admittedly given her position because of diversity. In contrast there was a whole list of people that wanted the position, who had actually worked to get it. See what I mean? Kathleen Kennedy was a diversity hire. And recent Lego studies have shown that women tend to make their toys resemble themselves.

[@thaThRONe]

She wasn't a diversity hire. She was literally hand pick by Lucas himself. Yes she sucks at the job. The main reason seems to be like most things in this world that these people think deadhard fans will accept anything.

[@michaellane5381]

Honestly i think the only way to fix Rey is to elevate Finn, make Rey have insecurities to match Finns, his foible being lacking the courage to lead while hers being a fear of inadequacy for the moment, have her push Finn to be the hero of the finale moment but when the time comes Finn doesn't have the courage to be there... But when she rises to it he rises to support her, not that he gets to the final fight, that could have stayed Kylo/Rey, but perhaps another front he was needed like disabling the lead SD or freeing the clones to force it down with the force or aid her with it.

[@zacharyfett2491]

That is some of the worst drivel I have ever heard. I’m glad I didn’t read the novelization of TLJ. 🤢

[@samwilson2250]

Hey Thor, speaking of stupid things in the sequel trilogy could we talk about the force dyad between Rey and Kylo. Outside of being absolutely absurd it is also very similar (in my opinion) to something we see in KOTOR 2. That being the bond between the exile and Kreia, but dialed up to 11. Do you think that, has there been some moderation of what the dyad can do it would be more feasible in the star wars universe and something more accepted?

[@permeus2nd]

So I had the idea about TFA but it’s me coming up with an explanation to wave away how she can stand a chance against Kylo who is a trained lightsaber combatant. Now this would only work against someone as poorly trained as Ben solo, if ray was fighting almost anyone else (ok it would also work on Rivia or however you spell her name from Kenobi, as she also is poorly trained in the force so much so that any trained force user can disarm her) she would be royalty screwed but as it’s Ben his mind isn’t guarded so whatever is in his head can be read like an open book. This idea comes from Babylon 5 in the 5 season Garibaldi goes to see the psychics and before he has a chance to say anything the conversation goes like this. Byron “”No!”” Garibaldi “”no? What do you mean no? I haven’t even asked my question yet?”” Byron “”I mean No! You don’t have to say anything, I heard your request all the way down the hall”” Garibaldi blerts out “”you have no right to scan m”” Byron “”I didn’t, have you any idea what it’s like for my people to have to try and shut out what you people are shouting at the top of you minds? I’ve heard your request, I’ve heard what your thought would would probably say and I heard your counter proposal and the Answer is still no!”” Now I’m paraphrasing but you should get the way I’m going, basically if it wasn’t for the fact that both Ray and Ben come from such strong bloodlines and are both untrained she would have gotten her ass kicked but as both of them didn’t have their minds shielded he was shouting out all his training at the top of his mind and she was without meaning to picking it up so for Ben he was fighting a mirror. Now like I said this is me coming up with excuses to cover what should have been covered in the film and it is a little but I suspect this is more to do with the stunt coordinator than the scripts, Ray tends to use a lightsaber more like a staff weapon than a sword this is because her weapon of choice on Jacque was a staff and the stunt fighters thought of this and used it in her fighting style.

[@simplegarak]

Did about... 3 suggested fixes for the sequels myself. (Text, not vid) Good luck!

[@mrcat3493]

Hey Thor, Sabine proved it doesn’t take a long time to master the ways of the force. You can do it in five minutes.

[@beezysbeatz4924]

Anything and everything the sequels added and/or took away from the canon is destructive.

[@mudman619]

The "Her desperate certainty" sentence isn't actually a sentence - it's an complete thought - it doesn't have a verb, lol. "desperate certainty" isn't a verb. "Her" is the subject without a verb. It should have been written: "She was desperate to be certain . . . " or something like that, lol. Who edited this book? I can only imagine how many errors are in it, lol. Sorry folks, can't help myself - but when I read a novel, I expect literacy to be involved, lol. Oh my gosh, the next "sentence" isn't a sentence either!!! Neither is the next sentence LOL. That entire paragraph is made up of incomplete clauses - they're all sentence fragments, not sentences, lol.

[@nicholaszornes2837]

It's always exciting to hear you are working on new rewrites. I have really enjoyed that series as you have a talent for understanding what makes a story good, and your unique perspective offers very grounded and faithful storytelling within the universe. I'm still looking forward to the "Kenobi" rewrite!

[@CantankerousDave]

Gonna have to be more specific. The sequels added a whoooooole lot of dumb things to the canon.

[@90lancaster]

Neo : "I know Kung Fu" Morpheus : "Show me" (Edit) ah he had the same idea I see. Also 'Reylo' remains the only compelling and consistent part of the Sequel Trilogy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epTPnHyAZ8R8d7M

[@ian-flanagan]

And Neo *still* trained (and lost) more than Rey (after having skills uploaded)

[@Moonbeast_1138]

The real tragedy here is that once again, you Thor have put WAY more thought into making sense of the sequel trilogy than the people who created the films did ever have. If any of this is really what they intended (which I don't believe for a second), it should have been written in a way that made sense the first time around, instead of the audience having to come up with explanations for their garbage storytelling in a some post-ad-hoc fashion.

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

I thought it was obvious to everyone at the time that Rey was given access into Kylo's mind in that interrogation scene in TFA. I remember talking about this and it was very apparent in that scene that when Kylo was reading Rey's mind it opened himself up to her as well. They were both shocked and frightened by it. So while it may not have been in the novel of that film it was in the film itself. Now I'm not saying this was good or bad just that it is what JJ put in there. I also got the impression that this was something Kylo didn't know was a thing and it was probably something new. So had this been addressed more fully including an explanation that it had not occurred before that would explain why this had not become a training method of the Jedi or Sith, for that matter. I also thought it was pretty clear that this whole connection between the two of them was the reason behind her abilities both with the force and skills such as light saber dueling. I didn't really think it was so much a download like in The Matrix but something she was accessing and able to draw upon when Kylo was connecting with her. IOW more like a channeling than a download that remained intact forever thereafter. Now as for after TFA when she had no mental or force connection with Kylo that wouldn't really be there for her to use. Of course then RJ came up with the connection they had "Force Face Time" thing enabling this to be continued across the galaxy. Again, I was not really a fan of this but it was pretty apparent that this was how they wrote it. So I do think that the force connection between them was always the reason for her having this access to greater skills and strength through Kylo without ever understanding it at all. Well, this connection AND her force potential within her via Palpatine, which I've always hated. I have never been a fan of the whole `force potential being in ones DNA' thing, despite the Skywalkers. Until Rey the Skywalkers had been the exception and force users were chosen by the force not good genes.

[@jamiedore679]

I would've made Rey a Jedi Padawan when the other Jedi from Luke's Jedi Order were coming in and Jaina Solo, the daughter of Han and Leia, trained her in the ways of the Jedi. Along with Jaina's sister, Tenel Ka Djo. Rey might be a Palpatine, but she has the makings of a Jedi Hero. Giving her life for her family and becoming a Jedi Master before she died.

[@gentugo]

This is just another great example of why the Sequel trilogy stinks and why Disney does not deserve to own that intellectual property.

[@EnlightenmentANAVRIN]

I think the overall Rey having lightning ability was because she inherited it (not force download) that ability from Palpatine. So when shes upset or dosen't have her anger in check, like young Anikin (ep. 2) then the lightning comes out. Kind of like a not good story telling of Jean Grey/Pheonix in the X men original 3 films

[@cjp1599]

Force diad is absolutely bs. As is all disney star wars. Force is nothing but a plot crutch at this point...piss poor writing for the last 15 years and you end up with 💩!

[@thialfii3509]

Have you touched on how Anakin could not have brought balance if Sidious never died?