Missing this doomed the Star Wars Sequels from the very start (Fixing the Sequels Part One)

[@mangofett927]

For me, the biggest problem faced by the sequel trilogy was that none of it seemed planned at all. There was no coherent goal of the story, just a lot of "wouldn't it be cool if ____?" It felt like the scripts never got very far past the brainstorming phase before filming took place.

[@esharp86]

Totally agree. My feeling has always been that they came up with cool set pieces and visuals and just strung them together as best they could.

[@RaikenXion]

Agreed, infact I remember hearing JJ say something about changing certsin things up in the script WHILE FILMING lol. I mean thats just bad for a professional director who has been handed the keys to a major franchise. Abrams said how he changed up Poe from originally dying in the tie fighters crash, to bringing him in later and toward the end, because actor Oscar Issac didn't want his character killed off. It also sounds like JJ had quite a few ideas, such as Kylo being a "Jedi Killer", swimming down to the wreckage of the DS2, and something to do with Rey being granddaughter if Kenobi originally, but he seems to have been too scared and seriously lacked the confidence to go with any of these ideas, possibly for fear of them being hated and rejected by the fans; so he just chose to make everything in his TFA movie just one big "mystery box". And a mystery box that in the end.

[@gmat4380]

4:44 I'm glad I'm not the only one that was very confused about that response of "now anyone can be a jedi." I had no idea anyone thought that only a Skywalker could be a jedi, the PT made that blatantly clear and not even the OT ever made a suggestion like that.

[@khanktinga]

10,000 jedi in a galaxy of trillions of sentient beings makes individuals strong enough in the force to use it to that extent extremely rare. The OT makes it clear that strength in the Force is likely to follow the bloodlines of particularly strong Force users. ("The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him.") But I would say that this doesn't mean that ONLY children of strong Force users can become strong Force users or Jedi at all. In fact, given the Jedi Code forbidding romantic attachments, that would seem to be a recipe to breed out the ability to wield the Force from all species in the Republic. I would agree then, that neither the OT or the prequels should give anyone the idea that only people from "special" families could become Jedi. It was just that Luke being the son of a exceptionally strong Jedi made him so much more likely to be strong in the Force himself as compared to the average person. Then the prequels added in the prophecy aspect to make Anakin not just an exceptionally strong Jedi, but the Chosen One. But presumably all of the ~10,000 other Jedi of the prequel era had parents that were not Jedi or Force sensitive at all.

[@MrEmpoleon2010]

If that's the case then there would be zero reason for fans to insist that Rey must be a Skywalker, Kenobi, Taco, Palpatine whatever. It's like saying you can only make great achievements in science if you somehow related to Neil Degrasse Tyson or Stephen Hawking

[@blakefriel704]

No, they were suggesting that because this was the "Skywalker saga" and some random comes in and plays the main protagonist.

[@dereklopez9060]

Many miss opportunities this trilogy had, one of them is not having the old cast together again.

[@WiseSnake]

No doubt its greatest sin right there.

[@Jedishill680]

The greatest mistake was not having Han Leia and Luke in a scene together, now the opportunity is gone forever

[@elmermedina1713]

Return of the Jedi 1983 was the last time we'd see them on screen together.

[@eliezerrodriguez5863]

Its not about them

[@macwelch8599]

The most important thing this trilogy missed was a cohesive and coherent story

[@BittermanAndy]

And compelling and interesting characters.

[@macwelch8599]

@@BittermanAndy yep

[@KellogsR-ny7ug]

Or just a story in general

[@macwelch8599]

@@KellogsR-ny7ug indeed

[@jspaingreene6350]

Thank you, yes! Cohesive and coherent.... My lord, these films were so incoherent. One pathetic theme... Callbacks to the OG trilogy, such that they look like bad remakes.

[@istari0]

The ST should have featured the original characters as masters and leaders of their respective professions confronting a new threat while introducing the new characters as the up and coming new generation working under the original characters. Do that well and SW would have been well-positioned for the transition to the new characters taking the lead in subsequent films.

[@KellogsR-ny7ug]

I don’t get the incentive to “pass the torch”: this is the latest installment of the Skywalker saga and it should be focused on Luke and his friends and their later years while at the same time getting guidance from Anakin Obiwan and yoda. It should showing how they shape the galaxy for the best and bring hope but everything just goes to shit. It’s all because of a strong misunderstanding of the franchise or even a resentment

[@TheMediaMonologue]

I think that's what Cobra Kai did really well. This time Johnny and Daniel were the teachers and had to grow because of it, and the show did a good job balancing the old characters with the new.

[@mathewkolakwsk]

The sequel trilogy was mainly about revisiting the original 6 films - it was driven by nostalgia (and making money off of the name Star Wars). That said, I still have a desire to revisit the sequel trilogy on occasion - mainly to relive the times in which they came out - and to dream and wonder what could have been…

[@KellogsR-ny7ug]

Personally I’d like to forget it I still wish Disney would just cave and do a new episode 7(not a trilogy): a ghostbusters afterlife treatment if you will It just treats Luke Han and leia(their actors anyway as a cameo) but they have no role. It’s THEIR story though: we should be seeing how the growth the underwent shaped the galaxy for the better but so far everything just went to shit. Of course instead of winning back what was theirs they’re just sidelined until they meet their fate, that of which doesn’t even do anything to empower their characters, maintain their credibility. They all suffer a humiliating defeat, all while Palpatine takes back the galaxy: he won basically

[@MobbJacket88]

God. The absolute state of SW fans 🤣

[@mishynaofficial]

I already forgot about this cash grab billion dollar Disney fanfic 😂

[@danballe]

Even the cesspool that is ep.IX??

[@mathewkolakwsk]

@@danballe Rise of Skywalker is a real mess - it’s like 2, maybe even 3, movies squished down into 1 very rushed movie. I didn’t like it at all when I first saw it in the theater, but I’ve seen it two more times after the fact and… I dream and wonder what could have been. Today, I don’t hate Rise - I might rate it 6/10 because it seems like JJ Abrams did do his best (in bad circumstances) to make an adventure movie with the spirit of Force Awakens (which set up the sequel trilogy pretty well, despite the ending where Master Luke truly needed to show up in order to save Rey + Finn from Kylo Ren in that snowy forest…). Maybe it’s me getting older but I try to appreciate the experiences of anticipation and hopes that I really had deep inside for the sequel trilogy films. I was super hyped up for Last Jedi (and obviously let down, a lot by having Luke fall away from the Force off screen. Being clever with Luke is fine but show us why he fundamentally changed - a few lines is an insult to the character and the fans!) Rian Johnson tried to be too clever, and he clearly didn’t accomplish what a 2nd movie in a trilogy needs to accomplish. The producers and executives in charge dropped the ball - that script shouldn’t have been filmed as is for “Star Wars” - one of the most important film franchises is movie history.

[@erisi236]

The very first thing I would have done was make Finn, Rey and Poe the first graduating class of Lukes new academy, just start with all three of them as fresh new Jedi and have them all face some challenge from there

[@mickeybunts]

Doomed when Krazy Kathy started lying with every breath

[@Delerane]

You're right. One of the most important thing to keep in mind is to respect the pillars of the construction of a story: the last thing we know what the final situation of ROTJ. So, the initial situation of ep. VII HAS TO BE similar than the end of ROTJ, even 30 years later. (I'm french, I don't know if the words/terms I used are correct in english, but I know you understood what I wanted to say ^^).

[@Flynnick]

I wouldn't mind a longer format for these videos. Just to get immersed in the idea rather than hoping in and out every week or so

[@gmat4380]

As for the Ahsoka rewrite, I think the reason the views are low is that it's hard to just get pieces of a new story at a time. At least for me, it gets mixed up with what was in the actual show and what was in a previous video of yours. I think it would get better views once the whole thing is out and can be viewed at one time.

[@Off-Brand_Devin]

I watched the first rewrite video. I liked Thor's ideas quite a lot, and that frustrated me considering how poorly I think Ahsoka turned out. I figured watching any more would just get me equally or more frustrated, so I've skipped the rest. My apologies (that I don't think he'll ever see) to Thor for that, but really he only has his own competency in coming up with a compelling story to blame.

[@gmat4380]

@@Off-Brand_Devin This is a good point, I actually for a time went around looking for reviews of Ahsoka from people that loved the show to see if I could improve my opinion of it, unfortunately I never found one that could explain why they loved it or what was good about the show.

[@DavidWalker1987]

IMO its just apathy, weve all watched it, we all know the issues that it has / people have with it... All these "they could have done this" "what about XYZ" are fun little snippets...for a while... I stopped watching after the first one Thor did... because I can fan fiction it myself in my head if i want to, but doing so reminds me how flawed it was. Pain.

[@michaellane5381]

​@@gmat4380the problem is Ahsoka is the best and worst of the Disney franchise at the same time... The action was good(co-ordination could have been better) and the writing of a coherent story wasn't there, instead Filoni took like 4 different backbones to a good plot and jammed them together, then added too much filler without enough background and only had 2 episodes worth of Solid character building for the main character he named the series after... The rest was all just B-plots he was never gonna finish on S1 and Failed set-up for a movie people were probably hopeful for but is looking pretty shaky after the bad guy looked so incompetent.

[@gmat4380]

@@michaellane5381 I totally agree. Most of the action I thought was good (I still don't like wielding lightsabers backwards, it works ok in animation but I think it looks terrible in live action) but the story just falls apart. I was initially very excited about Thrawn, now I don't think they will be able to do him justice, hopefully Filoni doesn't do the actual writing for the movie.

[@markdavidson558]

This is awesome. I hope this rewrite gets more views than your Ahsoka rewrite... which I'm enjoying. Just been worried the lower views may be discouraging.

[@darwinskeeper421]

I agree with you for the most part, but not "anyone" can become a Jedi. A Jedi can come from anywhere, but but they must have a reasonably strong sensitivity to the Force. There are a lot of great characters in Star Wars, like Han Solo, Chewbacca, Wedge Antilles, Lando, Cassian Andor and Admiral Ackbar who could never be Jedi.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Drop Cassian Andor, he’s a loser that just dies off in Rogue One.

[@elijahdoesstuff4600]

Love this idea! Can't wait to see it!

[@type_s_tyler7547]

Hey Thor, super excited for you to start doing this. Although i'd suggest maybe finish up the last story before starting another one? I can see how that would be hard to handle both at once

[@TheBeastCH]

It had something to say. It said "Women good, Men bad" and "Let the past die, Kill it if you have to."

[@davepost7675]

I'm surprised your Ahsoka series isn't doing so well. I think it is very good and would have been nice to see on the small screen.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

The Critical Drinker did a few videos on "The Critical Drinker Fixes " which have some pretty good story ideas, IMO. He approached it from the angle of writing actual character arcs for the characters though, instead of building an over-arching story for the entire sequel-trilogy.

[@dominicseibert3048]

The World Between Worlds is the key to fixing the Sequels. You can go through there and create a modified timeline with the same players in different roles. This won't happen in real life, though, until Kennedy is gone. Godspeed in your attempt, Thor.

[@rjtwocircles]

Starting at 5:29, you talk about democracy. " we see that the first one the prequels tells us that democracy is rather easy to lose and that it doesn’t even exactly have to be taken by force that people can willingly give it away.” Many people miss that it was NOT democracy that was initially lost and not just democracy. An open and competitive markets were being compromised and one competitor was infringed violently. Bureaucrats seeking more power obstructed government function and democratic change. The court systems had been become corrupted and inefficient. Then, the tyranny of democracy (popularity) was used to squelch the structure of the federal (limited powers) democratic republic and pervert the constitution. This opened the door for a bureaucratic autocracy (unlimited central powers) with a government-controlled oligopolistic (non-competitive) corporate economy to be established. Without the balance of open and competitive markets; a democratic republic, where representatives advocate for all the people they represent not just the majority; a federal republic, limiting central power and dividing it with the constituent regions; efficient courts that enforce the constitution and individual rights and minimal and efficient bureaucracy, the delicate balance of the Republic could not be maintained. I think if you don’t really understand this, you don’t really understand what happened to the Jedi Order. The Jedi had been used to champion freedom and justice within a constitutional, federal, democratic republic. However, as the Republic turned to the dark side, the Jedi became oppressors, servants of a tyrannical government. One of the reasons the prequels were initially criticized was their focus on the issues involving government and economics. If you start bandying about the terminology above, most people’s eyes glaze over. It seems even George Lucas simplified his original plans for Episode 2 because of this, which I think just made things more confusing. So, I don’t think you can really address these issues in your hypothetical sequels. If you did you’d have to, at least, refer to : A constitutional congress, or similar; election or selection of representatives, not politicians, establishment and protection of open and competitive production and trade with some healthy corporate trust busting, decentralization of powers, so the First Order could not have blown up the New Republic with a single shot, just people being elected or appointed as judges, elimination of bureaucratic elements, and probably other factors that I have forgottn. It would take some spectacular writing to make this great theater, but I guess Hamilton, debatably, did it.

[@B.matrix]

Looking forward to more fanfic! Really enjoying what you’re doing with the Ahsoka series.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

I wouldn't say that the Jedi order became *corrupt,* but more that they got complacent or maybe even arrogant. I often thought it was odd that all the Jedi were talking about the prophecy of someone who would *"Bring Balance to the Force(tm)"* at a time when it seemed like there were at least hundreds or maybe even tens of thousands of Jedi and yet none of them could name even one Sith.

[@MCsCreations]

Good luck, Thor. You're going to need it.

[@matthewfox2340]

I think it's a great idea! Your retelling of the prequel trilogy is spot on. While the prequel trilogy was so terrible that it made the prequels way better, I still have my issues. Your version fixed all of that! The character you have to work with will make it tough. Good luck... you're going to need it.

[@sheevone4359]

All the best in your challenge. This is going to be a difficult one.

[@deeanns1874]

Really looking forward to it!! I have enjoyed all of your stories, regardless of whether I enjoyed the originals or not! 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@GM-gb1eu]

I think Youzan Vong (or what was they're name) invasion could be nice idea for sequels. That both imperial remnants and new republic have to fight on the same side with much bigger invasion. That twist of the formula would be refreshing for audience, because world would have different political situation than any other trilogy, not the same "empire vs rebels" or "downfall of democracy". I think It could be really nice for me with good execution. I personally really liked story that was made by "the closer look" YT channel so maybe that's why.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Didn't they have Grysk as the stand-in?

[@TheMediaMonologue]

I think it was Net Alliance who described it as a different war in each trilogy: half the galaxy vs. half the galaxy in the prequels, the galaxy vs itself in the originals, and the galaxy vs an invading force in the sequels. They kinda tried to do that with the First Order invading, but they were never clearly distinguished from the Empire.

[@luciusoptimus7888]

Really wanted to send this to star wars theory but I'll put it here. What if along with Reys character overcoming her heritage (im going with her heritage as a nobody not the other thing) we have another arc for the trilogy where unity and freedom overcomes division. I would propose this be illustrated by the forces of darkness attacking faster than light travel someway, perhaps cutting off the galaxy from hyperspace for a period of time.

[@kenbrockfarm8656]

Looking forward to both of these!

[@BarefootPeasant]

Like a house rotten from the foundation outward, I really don't see any point in fixing these. Best to just level and build something better. But of course, Disney would never dream of it...

[@longtsun8286]

Kadokawa will, after Disney goes bankrupt and is forced to sell Lucasfilm to the Japanese company.

[@darthrage8673]

Prequel: the fall of democracy and rise of dictatorship Original: fighting for freedom against an oppressive power Sequel: should have been about multiple factions fighting to establish itself as a superior or separate power in the galaxy. Basically be a Game of Thrones version of Star Wars.

[@GM-gb1eu]

I think Youzan Vong (or haw was they're name) invasion could be nice idea for sequels. That both imperial remnants and new republic have to fight on the same side with much bigger invasion. That twist of the formula would be refreshing for audience, because world that would be different political situation than any other trilogy, not the same empire Vs rebels theme or downfall of democracy. I think It could be really nice for me with good execution.

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

Sounds like the warring states period in China, that could've been very interesting

[@richardrobinson1571]

The main problem with the sequel trilogy was that it just basically ignored ROTJ….empire is back, Palpatine like figure is back, new Rebellion called the resistance…nothing in ROTJ impacted sequels except Han and Leia obviously getting together

[@KellogsR-ny7ug]

That allegory about hero worship surrounding Luke and his portrayal in TLJ only makes sense if Luke’s role in ROTJ never happened Rey is validated of course for imitating him and he seems to appreciate that(?) but he still meets his fate and he doesn’t even apologize to Ben. His whole story is for nothing regardless

[@jamesneese7663]

far far worse. TFA basically says that EVERYTHING the old school heroes did was for nothing. Built a new republic? it collapsed in ONE shot from Starkiller and the galaxy surrendered to first order, even though StarKiller was killed. Build a family? Nope...the only ones who tried failed horribly and ended up with a Vader wannabe fanboy. Build a new Jedi order? well...results speak for themselves. Basically all the hope, optimism, belief in the new heroes was for NOTHING. They couldn't even off Palpatine. but somehow these new, more diverse, more refined heroes....these ones are gonna fix everything and make the galaxy a better place....somehow. Umm...what are they even fighting for again, exactly....?

[@mishynaofficial]

​@@jamesneese7663degenerating our beloved characters is the WORST. Imagine in the 3rd part of Bible, Jesus joins Devil. Imagine in the sequel to The Princess Bride, Wesley r*pes Buttercup. I wonder how people would react to that. 🥴 And then Disney shills just call us toxic???

[@danielschoch4881]

@@jamesneese7663 they have fixed nothing. No governemt, no structure no guidance is in the galaxy after episode 9. And no competent persons to fulfill leadership roles. Total anarchy. Worse that the empire was.

[@philippeamon7271]

@@jamesneese7663 The Republic had their seat on Hosnian Prime. By the time Starkiller shows up, it's a literal coffee club with some armed guards out front, pretending, that they're a government. It was always an issue, that just because you're an angry and desperate rebel, doesn't mean you know how to run the whole galaxy better than the Empire. It was always an idea, that there is some sort of taint, associated with Vader - Luke being a 5 year old who only wants sunshine and cake, doesn't really work, because the seduction of darkness needs to be potent and threatening. Leia was always stern-headed and business-like... Not someone you imagine being a huge fan of magic stuff, especially not, if "darkness has it out for her, because of her father". Now, it's been suggested, maybe the darkness is not in the midi-chlorians, but perhaps imbued into Vader's blue lightsaber. Luke was supposed to be a dedicated priest, not a father. And Chewie needs to get out of his life debt, before he can settle down (He's not worried, though, wookies live a good bit longer than humans do). And Lando is probably too much of a perv, to actually parent anything. So, that takes care of "everybody". Building a new Jedi order, is a very old solution to a problem, that doesn't exist anymore. It won't fix the new problem. But all the hope and optimism was also for nothing, when they destroyed the first Death Star - even the galactic recession didn't truly hit their Wall Street, until the second one blew up. They did off Palpatine, though, but he had spent a lot of time fantasising about, how "a regime, that can't even protect it's Emperor, doesn't deserve to exist!" and he was gonna get killed to punish everybody for not protecting him. He had access to cloning technology, yes, of course, he did. But that convenience doesn't really matter, when Rey Snoozewalker feels boring and insignificant and she needs a super-duper villain to defeat - she can just magic one up... somehow. One of the perks of unlimited po-WAAHHHH!!!

[@TheMediaMonologue]

I agree with your point about challenging the New Jedi Order and the New Republic. The saga began with a flawed version of the Jedi and the Republic, so the sequels could have brought the films full circle by showing both groups reaching their full potential. You could still argue that Return of the Jedi is a stronger ending, but at the very least there would be a narrative reason for the sequels existing.

[@DarkLordArmanus]

You've higlighted very well why the ST was such a miserable failure, and I look forward to hearing your ideas, but I have a thought to share about what you said about Luca getting too much credit for having acplan for the OT. I think that comes from a misconception that palnning a story or trilogy is planning out details and specific story beats, and by that measure, yes, Lucas quite obviously never did that. You can look no further than Luke being in a love triangle with his sister or Vader being his father. But that's bot hiw creative writers plan stories. In truth, a plan is just a rough outline of where the story will go, with maybe a few story beats noted at points in the outline where they should happen, if they are critical to the stories development and theme, and even these notes tend to be very rudimentary. Writers do this so they have a direction to follow while still having the room to let the story breathe and develop itself. Lucas has said in the past that his original draft of the first Star Wars script covered the events of yhe entire saga, culminating in the fall of the empire, but the script was both too bloated and too rushed, so he decided to start in the middle of the story where the most action was, and set the rest of the ideas aside, figuring he could either develop movies or books with it if his film was successful enough. These ideas became his outline for the rest of the OT, and for the sequels as well. They gabe him the saga's path, but with each movie the story was developed as it was written. That's how storywriting works. So when you see it that way, Lucas had the plan for the entire saga at it's inception.

[@michaelmartinez3893]

A prophecy misread could have been. I'd play with that line.. I'm currently plotting out what I'd do with the Rey movie.

[@jonathanlittle9674]

Fixing the sequels will be pretty hard. Back to the drawing board seems like an easier option. The lack of planning is probably the root cause, but the biggest disappointment to me was how Han, Luke and Leia’s characters were all so unrecognisable from the OT, so returning those characters to their original condition would be my first place to start.

[@philippeamon7271]

Luke is doubtful, because he's realised that everybody is trying to play him, including the Jedi. Han returns to stealing and smuggling, because that's probably the best he can do, to stop the gangsters from taking over. Leia is Greta Thunberg, same as always.

[@miragewizard]

Changes to The Force Awakens 30 years after ROTJ The Best thing about this movie: Bringing back the Original Trilogy characters and introducing the Next Generation. At the beginning of the movie, the old gang is back together on Coruscant. Luke leaves for Ahch-To, Lando for his new Casino, and Han and Chewie in the Millennium Falcon for Correlia. Opening scrawl.. It is a period of galactic peace. Senator Leia Organa of the Galactic New Republic meets with her husband, General Han Solo, and Jedi Master Luke Skywalker as they see General Lando Calrissian depart from Coruscant for his new Casino enterprise. However, a new threat centered around the mysterious Snoke and his apprentice, Kylo Ren, is about to emerge to challenge control of the galaxy.... 1. Instead of Jakku, the action takes place on the planet Corellia. Instead of Lor San Tekka, switch him out with Wedge Antilles. Then, Kylo cuts down a character that we know instead of one that we don’t know. Poe and Wedge are together on Correlia and seek to meet up with Han Solo when Kylo Ren's Star Destroyer appears in orbit, after the Millennium Falcon. Han and the Falcon are hidden, but Kylo finds Wedge and Poe - killing Wedge and taking Poe captive, easily overpowering the New Republic guards that are there to keep order. Rey is a starship mechanic on Correlia. 2. Incorporate the character of General Hux into Captain Phasma. And then, Captain Phasma has that fight with Finn where Finn is using the lightsaber, and there is no pointless Hux speech in the middle of the movie. 3. Have Poe and Finn leave the scene of the TIE fighter crash together. They both find Rey at the same time. Poe is reunited with BB-8 and pilots them off Corellia at the helm of the Millennium Falcon. 4. When Rey, Finn, BB-8 and Poe find and get on board, and then take off with the Millennium Falcon, Han and Chewie are nearby, also on Corellia, and notice that their ship is being stolen with the Star Destoyer in pursuit. Later, when the Falcon is pulled into a tractor beam, it’s a smuggling ship that Han has hired at the last minute to track down the Falcon. Poe tells Han of Wedge's demise at the hands of Kylo Ren, his son. When he and Chewie are back onboard the Falcon, Han realizes that Rey is force sensitive. 5. Changes to Government: The First Order is really the Empire of old, and the good guys are part of the New Republic. Coruscant is still the seat of government, and not Hosnian Prime, although there is no Jedi order on Coruscant. 6. Instead of Starkiller Base, the superweapon is a Mass Shadow Generator, almost an exact duplicate used by Revan against the Mandalorians in the old EU. Snoke and Kylo attempt to set the Mass Shadow Generator on Coruscant, to completely destroy all life, including the New Republic government, on the planet. The specs were obtained by Supreme Leader Snoke and given to Kylo Ren, who shares them with the Hutt Twins so that he can obtain the funding and materials needed to construct it. 7. Curb Rey’s powers. Poe, an established pilot, pilots the Millennium Falcon off of Corellia. Rey shouldn’t know so much about the Millennium Falcon. When Rey is about to be interrogated by Kylo, he doesn’t take off the mask. Instead, the interrogation is interrupted by an urgent message from the Hutts about the superweapon, to which Kylo hesitatingly answers in a different room, leaving Rey still bound in the chair. But instead of Rey using mind control, Luke Skywalker himself appears to her in ghost form and speaks to her, telling her where he is. Through the force, Rey asks Luke if she is his daughter, and Luke says “No.” Luke, through the Force, then releases her bonds from the chair, and then he mind controls her guards into something else to do. After Luke is finished speaking with her and she is free, she grabs the lightsaber, runs out of the interrogation room, finds a secluded place and just starts crying, letting it all out. 8. Han takes them to Bal’demnic to a Casino that is owned by Lando Calrissian, instead of Maz Kanata's place. Rey finds Luke’s/Anakin's old blue lightsaber and Lando asks her if she'll give it to him. Lando tells Han later how he recovered the lightsaber. The Empire is tipped off and arrives. This time, Han, Lando, Chewie, Poe, Finn and BB-8 get away, but Rey is taken by Kylo. 9. Knights of Ren speak and are Kylo’s new council; in all three movies. Kylo Ren in a scene with the Knights of Ren: letting them know that he will find the whereabouts of Luke Skywalker, and then they will go after him. Also, Kylo does not have Vader’s old mask or have any temper tantrums, and he does not take his mask off throughout the film. 10. The New Republic meets and comes up with a plan (Mon Mothma-style) for Poe and Finn to infiltrate Kylo Ren’s Star Destroyer and rescue Rey. While the New Republic fleet engages the Empire’s fleet, Lando and Chewie get in close to the Star Destroyer (like they did in ESB) to the point that Poe and Finn can get on board safely and undetected. 11. Han, Chewie and the Millennium Falcon die a heroic death where they disable the Mass Shadow Generator and save everyone, while doing it. The New Republic doesn’t know about the Mass Shadow Generator until they have already engaged in battle and witness it’s destructive power. Han goes alone to do it, even though both Luke and Leia sense his reckless heroism. 12. At the end of the film on Kylo’s Star Destroyer, Kylo confronts Rey, Finn, and Poe before they are able to escape. He easily disarms Finn - casting the lightsaber out of his hands and landing near Rey, who picks it up. Kylo force pushes a column to land on Finn, pinning him and knocking him unconscious. Rey ignites the saber but is easily overmatched by Kylo, and then Poe distracts him by shooting at him, allowing Rey to jam a blast door shut, separating her and Finn from Kylo. Poe is able to elude Kylo and find Rey. Rey and Poe eventually help Finn into an escape pod, and they all get away before Kylo is able to stop them. 13. No call-back quotes to the Original Trilogy, except for “I’ve got a bad feeling about this." and the Wilhelm scream. 14. Snoke is really Darth Glovoc, who has re-emerged from stasis after a millennia, being re-awoken by Order 66, and has since found a way off of planet Nyriaan. The Knights of Ren were initially his first followers after he was reawoken, but those followers were rechristened “Knights of Ren” after Glovoc learned of all of the history since he last awoke. The Knights of Ren are called that because they do not submit to Bane’s Rule of Two. Therefore, unlike Vader who did submit to Bane’s Rule of Two, Kylo insisted on being independent of Bane’s rule, and therefore, is the Leader of the order of Ren, designated "Kylo Ren" by Snoke/Darth Glovoc. Darth Glovoc and Kylo Ren meet briefly to discuss the awakening in the force, which is Rey, and the superweapon’s preparedness. All of this is shown in the movie. 15. Rey's parentage will be dealt with in the next movie.

[@captainvader921]

I recently re-watched all the movies just to write Letterboxed reviews for them, and I thought about something that could be changed about Episode 7. Don't say that the Luke's Jedi Order failed, and don't destroy the New Republic. I like the setup of Luke disappearing and needing to be found, but I think Luke should have been found around the halfway point of the movie, instead of the literal last couple seconds. They should find him, and maybe Luke is actually discovering something, and maybe he had to go out in the outer rim, far away, and his communications don't work or something, so people have to find him because they don't know where he is. Don't kill Han, don't forget about Lando, don't have Rey suddenly use Force powers without training, save Starkiller Base for Episode 9, amongst a couple other things, and the movie could turn out all the better for it. And then just change the other two movies entirely. Those I think you can start from scratch

[@jps6071]

Instead of having the First Order "somehow" build Starkiller Base (which they shouldn´t even have the resources for in the first place), let it instead be an ancient weapon from the Rakatha Empire or from the Builders/Kwa, that the First Order has found. That way you could also introduce the ancient history of the galaxy in the movies.

[@dejanrancic7409]

At its beginning, the sequel trilogy was about capitalising on nostalgia by bringing the original cast back and washing away the bad taste of the prequels, especially with the overuse of CGI. I could imagine that they were not worried about the overall story because "it's Star Wars" and "Lukas didn't originally intend to make a trilogy". And I still believe that with TFA as is they could've made a decent trilogy if they'd only done what Lukas did post Star Wars - have a look at what they had and where it could go. Other than making Luke and Leia siblings and Darth Vader their father, Lukas didn't wholesale discard everything from the previous movie like Ryan Jonson did. So while Lukas with his team practically carved a two-part story with ESB and RoTJ, Johnson and Abrams gave us a pissing contest where we had to endure how each of them could go back on the previous movie, which is, sadly, the overarching narative thread of the sequel trilogy. In a nutshell, TFA is "Remember how Lukas did it with prequels? We'll do it differently". TLJ was "remember what JJ did? None of it matters". TRoS than had to be "No! What Ryan did doesn't matter and it was Palpatine all along".And memberberries galore in all three movies.

[@jeremyfields9009]

Having the New Republic and Luke Jedi Order deal with a new threat and come out on top is the same thing Timothy Zahn said about what would be the next logical step for the story.

[@daviddyster4145]

Five ways I would fix the Sequel Trilogy: 1)Have the trilogy take place 100 years after Return of the Jedi. 2)Have Rey, Poe and Fin come together at the end of the first movie. 3)The Knights of Ren are the main antagonists of the trilogy. 4)Have the last Jedi be the final movie in the sequel trilogy not the second movie. 5)DO NOT BRING BACK PALPENTIEN!

[@WonkoTheSane71]

One change I’d make is to have had Luke off-screen in FA because the New Republic outlawed the Jedi at its inception. Rumours then persist that Luke was building a new Jedi Order outside of their reach. Finding Luke is about answering the question - should the Jedi return? which is an active one for the galaxy as a whole.

[@khanktinga]

That would need some explanation, as surely Luke's abilities were known by at least a few of the Rebel Alliance leaders in a positive way, while so many others would have come to view Jedi as mythical that outlawing them would seem superstitious nonsense. Unless you're suggesting that knowledge that Palpatine was actually a Sith Lord that used the Dark Side of the Force and that Luke was a Jedi and all of that spread as fact through the victorious rebellion.

[@WonkoTheSane71]

@@khanktinga Knowledge Vadar was a former Jedi would be commonplace. The wars would be seen through a prism of Jedi v Sith, and in order to avoid a repeat, the Republic’s architects would have sought to build a new system free of the Jedi.

[@TheMokeleMbembe]

I always saw the themes that suggested themselves for a sequel trilogy as - what happens after success? In other words, how do you maintain the hard-won victories attained in the previous chapter, how do you prevent backsliding? GL talked a bit about themes he saw for the sequel trilogy in Denise Worrell's 1983 book ICONS: ""If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned." I also think that in the PT, when GL decided to make Anakin a kind of space Jesus and tie the political stakes of the story to cosmic balance of the Force itself... that made it more challenging to do a sequel trilogy like this, because those choices make the events of the PT and OT feel so singular, no longer the story of people "in the wrong place in the wrong time, naturally becoming heroes" but instead the story of fate and destiny (which was always given a lot of lip service but at the same time, overconfidence was demonstrated as the ultimate weakness of the dark siders, too). I do think that Lucas's more recent thoughts (such as in his talk with Jim Cameron) about how the ST would deal with (I'm extrapolating here) issues of being manipulated by the universe vs. the ability to make personal choices, how these things conflict with each other or don't... I think that could have been another interesting direction to go.

[@danballe]

Do you have any link to that talk, NVM I will just search it, thanks

[@TheMokeleMbembe]

@@danballe It's from the book JAMES CAMERON'S STORY OF SCIENCE FICTION. I think at least part of it is on film but I'm not sure. Here are some excerpts I found online: “Everyone hated it in Phantom Menace [when] we started to talk about midi-chlorians. There’s a whole aspect to that movie that is about symbiotic relationships. To make you look and see that we aren’t the boss. That there’s an ecosystem.” [The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force. Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we were just cars, vehicles for the Whills to travel around. We’re vessels for them. And the conduct is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force. If I’d held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did Phantom Menace and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told.”

[@fatman80000]

One way I'd present the Jedi would be people in the galaxy will say they've disappeared but rumors of that say they were behind "x" happening or not happening. Then you later realise that that beggar who helped you escape was actually Luke Skywalker. I mean really, if they want the focus on the new heroes without the old heroes overshadowing them, there are lots of ways to do it.

[@RevanMartinez]

Expanded Universe Timeline > Sequels timeline

[@morgansheppy1584]

It was the opening title crawl, 2 sentences in and I sensed the cries of anguish of a billion souls who were suddenly silenced. When they yadda-yadda’d the fall of the new republic and regressed all the characters to episode 4 development. My parents and I actually walked out of The Last Rian Johnson Film after Luke meditated too hard lol

[@LocrianDorian]

I think the two things you are mentioning here are intertwined. The lack of a coherent plan for the entire trilogy is obviously the biggest problem, at least they could make a decent trilogy with beginning, middle and end, and they failed even at this very basic premise. But the fact that they didn't have an overarching theme, or to be more specific, they did, but it was "make money off of brainless nostalgia" made it very difficult to have a proper trilogy.

[@tomaO2]

I'm confused. Thor already did a rewrite of the sequel trilogy. I liked it a lot. Why is another one being done?

[@lukejochem]

No one lost a limb. It was almost tradition that someone looses one somewhere in the trilogy.

[@ravneiv]

But that would mean consequences for their precious new characters

[@lukejochem]

@@ravneiv exactly. A hero's journey has consequence. You can't go through life without them. Where was Rey's?

[@jamesj4063]

Turn your ceative efforts to build your own world, Write books with your insperation. Use beloved ideas as inspiration. Fan fiction is a start but it is time for you to go beyond that.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

To be fair we don't need more fanfic-level writers like Dave Filoni

[@klickj26]

i woke up early and couldnt sleep so i lay in bed thinking about this very topic and now later today you upload a video on exactly this. spooky

[@longtsun8286]

Well said.

[@mishynaofficial]

Dang, I don't care about the sequels, they aren't my headcanon, but the main cast has aged so well. Ford, Hamill and Fisher are GILFs. RIP Carrie 💗

[@marrisueno1]

Im surprised that disney is doubling down and sticking with this. I be like...ok lets start over with something fresh and bring back the fans

[@347Jimmy]

I think the "special lineage" complaint comes from the OT/PT (and an overwhelming number of early EU stories) being so heavily focused on the Skywalker family As you point out, the PT shows us that it isn't necessarily the case Though "too many Skywalker tales in EU" was definitely an issue for a while (it pretty much corrected itself by the tail end of Lucas' ownership)

[@PsychedelicDude]

Hey Thor! Can you really live the sequels being canon? Like when you really think about it and go through what it would be like watching everything in chronological order. This grand journey and then it ends with...them. Everything prior to TFA don't really matter (aside from being great stories). Even if future shows leading up the sequels are really good, it will still end with...them, and it just ruins everything, it won't make them better, it will only make their flaws more obvious. I cannot imagine a context or setup that would make me okay with the things that happen in the sequels. I don't think you can do the ''clone wars thing'' with the sequels. Anyways, love your vids!

[@ghostofwolfmoonmani3877]

If they had wanted to actually make good movies they should have selected all the directors, sat them down and plotted out the whole story start to finish all three movies before production of the force awakens even started. And the most important thing they should have done to please the fans is had a proper meaningful reunion of Luke, Han, Leia, along with Chewwie, Lando, c3po and r2.

[@flynnoldman3542]

It was a remake of the OT disguised as a sequel trilogy.

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

In the same way Home Alone 2 & Ghostbusters II were carbon copies of their predorcessors.

[@ghostviggen]

@@theanonymouscritic1710Hollywood really like to respawn the story for the sequel.

[@bchristian85]

That's all JJ Abrams knows how to do. People blame Rian Johnson for ruining the sequel trilogy, but it would have been better had he written all three. JJ Abrams is a one schtick pony. The trilogy was doomed as soon as it was anounced he was making Episode 7, because that guarnateed it would be a reboot and not a sequel.

[@GusMcGuire]

The problem with the sequel trilogy was that they weren't sequels. As was pointed out in this video, everything interesting that happened as a result of the original trilogy happened off-screen while we weren't watching. These films can best be described as some sort of sequel to whatever that was. As a result, we were left watching something that neglected to convey crucial information we needed. The original trilogy aimed to entertain audiences with a Flash Gordon style adventure like cinemas used to have. The prequel trilogy told the story of how we got to that point - setting the ground for how the OT characters would deal with the consequences. The sequel trilogy should done the same - telling us what happened afterwards and introducing the new characters to deal with the consequences. Instead it felt more like a platform for real-world social messaging, which kept jarring with the fantasy setting. It would have been really interesting seeing Luke, Leia and Han working hard to rebuild the New Republic and providing new answers to old problems and introducing the new characters to provide a counterpoint to living with the consequences of what happened before. Instead, we got a vague retread of the same story with cardboard characters who had little/no backstory. It should not take an entire trilogy of movies to tell you the basic info you need to relate to your main protagonists. Luke Skywalker was not predicated on who his father was. He was an idealistic farmboy dreaming of adventure, joining the rebellion and trying to become a jedi knight. Rey was predicated on the mystery of who her family were - and we didn't get that info until the scrappy, final movie - which doesn't give your audience much to connect with when the character you want them to identify with doesn't even know who she is. We need characters who we can relate to, who we can go on an adventure with - not people riddled with self-doubt and crises of personality, or who stand around looking cryptic because they (presumably) know the info you need to find out but they're not willing to share it. It's just a plot contrivance to disguise poorly written narrative and Disney really needs to get a handle on it and fix it.

[@philippeamon7271]

The story is called the Star Wars, not the Family Dramas of Random Hero People. That's why the "sequels" you speak of, do not, and cannot exist. We also don't know, how Genghis Khan felt inviting his friends over for tea, to discuss the inflation, and care for the elderly, since that story isn't part of the war. The ST aims at telling the audience, "Yeah, so you know about Vader and the Force, you think? You're still a very noob!" - it is a bit fake, and you can only really substantiate it, by frustrating people with more cryptic non-answers, making it more fake. It's not quite the same story - Luke was a creep loner, dreaming of accomplishment, freedom and fame. That's why he wanted to join the EMPIRE! Not the Rebels, like some abject lunatic! But he has accepted his circumstance, he just has to wait until Owen is done shitting bricks and the rest of society considers it acceptable for him to "leave the nest". And it wouldn't have triggered, if not for old Ben showing up, convincing him, that he is the Chosen One. Rey has a similar problem, but she's much more obsessive about it, now that the hero has already heroed, how will she ever escape from being a boring, useless slave-girl on Jakku? She's banging her head against the wall everyday, endlessly repeating the mantra of "I can't accept this!", until she stumbles upon the Millennium Falcon. That convinces her, that she's the Chosen One, and she has to stick her hand into a random trashcan and pull out a legendary lightsaber, so she can be the Jedi. But ultimately, she wouldn't have had such perverse ideals to begin with, if not for the heroes of legends of old. (i.e. Kathleen is not upset about being a woman, she is upset that there was a man, who did a cool thing, 100 years ago!") It's interesting, how you've seemingly decided that Kylo definitely lied, but Palpatine ('s undead corpse) definitely told the truth about Rey and her heritage. And I feel it's a horrible read, on your part, to say, that "knowing who the parents are, helps me understand that person better!" - like how? Luke had more doubts, and did not make the same choices as Vader did.

[@reznik232]

Lookin' forward to seeing what you do here Thor. 👍

[@jeremyjigglebear8096]

I feel like the theme that should have been explored was the inherent relationship to the force. Perhaps insisting on a pure light side relationship is unrealistic, and the only sustainable path for the Jedi would be some shade of grey. There could have been an exploration of how to acknowledge the presence of the dark side within oneself, without submitting to it fully.

[@jerryziegner]

Let’s face it the sequel trilogy was a convoluted mess with no direction lacking of heart in every aspect that made Star Wars great

[@abraham2172]

The first thing to do would be to create a new original set up instead of the old "big empire vs small rebels". Of course they wanted to play it safe, but copying the whole thing is too much.

[@wray2real]

Fixing the sequels is an impossible task. They should have done like the est of the MCU and drawn from the rich history of books, comics and video games, and made movie adaptations of the best ones.. Or they could have had the originals as leadrs in the govt. Harrison Ford did play POTUS at one time. Rey could have been a Palpatine clone. Leia as supreme chancellor. Lando could rum the casino planet. So many possibilities instead of the weak reboot we actually got. I mean how many Star Wars fans see themselves in the exact same situation they were in forty years ago fighting the same type of problems?

[@Kevinterell]

I don’t remember a sequel trilogy, it’s been erased from my memory!

[@BittermanAndy]

I wish I could do that.

[@vekunde]

Do it from scratch, including your amazing take on Leia and her involvement with Vader. Only Garreth Edwards can direct any future Star Wars film. Your script. His direction.

[@DarthShelton]

My personal sequel trilogy goes roughly thus. Opening crawl says in effect that with the destruction of the 2nd Death Star and the deaths of Vader and the emperor the empire is down but not out and the rebellion is up but not in. An uneasy armistice has existed while the two sides figure themselves out and restructure (the rebellion now in the business of actual governance). There are militant groups on both sides however intent on continuing the conflict. We’d open onto one such group going into imperial space and conducting a raid. We’d discover later that one of the militants is leia herself. Unable to forgive the destruction of Alderaan. Luke meanwhile has opened a new apolitical Jedi temple on the planet Onderon, which is neither part of the new republic nor the empire. We’d spend a lot of the film setting up this impending and gathering momentum to a resumption of open war. The empire, under new management, is not the evil entity that it was. The new republic, faced with the burden of actual governance, isn’t what many hoped. Resulting in a much grayer morality at the top level. Our classic good vs evil would be from individuals on both sides. Introduce a couple of new characters who team up with established characters to either work for conflict or for peace. Luke himself with his new Jedi order would be working to preserve the peace. Han would be killed by jabbas successor. Leia would be a Jedi and in her mission to destroy the empire would find herself at odds with Luke. Following movies would be all out war and eventual peace as people learn to let the past die. The new Jedi Order would find itself at times on the side of the empire and sometimes on the side of the republic, but always in the defense of the defenseless. Really rough and unpolished but once cleaned up that’d be a movie I’d like to see.

[@ian-flanagan]

Is “Liberty dies to applause” a theme, or just a plot event? That’s my general complaint with the PT: the so-called “themes” just happen, not deeply explored (or are they fleshed out in things I haven’t seen/read?)

[@GM-gb1eu]

The death of democracy is made well in my opinion. In films you have 2 hours time, so putting everything well explained is for me impossible. If it was TV show I would complain, but the fact is that many things are not deeply explored, but this shortcuts are not making you confused in prequels, unlike in sequels. Star Wars always had shortcuts of narrative that were explored outside the movies. Luke and Leia being brother and sister for example. Really there was nothing to that idea apart from that she heard him at the end of ESB. Even more, the reason why he rescued her in death star in New Hope, was because he had crush on her, and she gave him a kiss in the lips in the ESB.

[@BittermanAndy]

Definitely a theme. Whether you feel it's well executed is a different matter, but every film in the PT repeatedly hammers home how democracy and justice can be subverted, and people will welcome it, or turn a blind eye.

[@RaikenXion]

The best way to Rewrite the Disney Sequel Trilogy would be to really analyse those 3 movies, watch them back-to-back WITHOUT and dialogue at all, just the soundtrack and theme music (if that's even possible). If that doesn't work then, just pick out and write down every single plot point that doesn't add up. Make note of ALL the details left out in backstory, make not of each key character's motivations or lack of. Make note of all the inconsistencies and contradictions to established Lore, and just every other detail that simply doesn't add up and make sense. Then focus on Subverting and specifically Deconstrufting ALL of these things. Either do the opposite or refer to the EU, and how that approaches such plot points, and/or details better. Like example look at Admiral Holdo, and just recontextualize that character to actually work, even going completely away from the whole thing of her even being a "Admiral" in the Resistance if you have to. But make her someone notable to the Legacy Characters. Another e.g. where Luke's "New Jedi Order" was pretty much a failure before it ever really got started, make it actually be a thing . Where Snoke was made to be no one whatsoever (purely because Rian resented every Fan's cool theory about who Snoke COULD have been, and so he just tossed him aside), actually make Snoke SOMEBODY big!!! And serious as the new threat and ultimate "Big Bad" that the heroes have to face. They were ALL about "Subverting" what makes Starwars *Star Wars* with THEIR "Trilogy", so just do some Subverting back on the serious weak story they gave us in the end. I believe when rewriting the Disney Sequel Trilogy it's important to reuse ALL the characters especially the main original new characters of Rey/Finn/Poe/Kylo; and get creative, do what you think is cool for those characters because it can ultimately show Disney what they Failed to do and achieve with them. So much potential and all of it wasted through laziness and rushing to meet production schedules and reap back profits galore. Especially Finn, they wasted him the worst.

[@brachiator1]

As others have observed, there was no central vision guiding the trilogy. "The Force Awakens" was ok, but clearly fans would have been happier had the film answered the obvious question: what new adventures did Luke Skywalker have after the end of the main trilogy, and how did Han and Leia rebuild the Republic? Any new story should have included this obvious audience-pleasing element. Worse, director Rian Johnson clearly didn't care for the story or characters he had inherited from the first film, so he essentially made his own standalone Star Wars movie with "The Last Jedi," the most problematic film of the trilogy ("The Rise of Skywalker" is simply a terrible film and is not worth thinking about). "The Empire Strikes Back" establishes a strong bond of friendship between the main characters before sending Luke off on a separate adventure. And he is reunited with Leia by the end of the film and they are both committed to rescuing Han Solo. By contrast, "The Last Jedi" often felt like the disconnected adventures of a bunch of characters who barely knew each other and didn't even want to be in the same room with one another.

[@khanktinga]

I understand not wanting to ditch the existing sequel characters, mostly because I respect the actors that portrayed them, and that they had potential, at least. But I really think that the whole basis for the sequels needs to be scraped. The only thing that I'd keep is the attempts to use cloning technology to rebuild powerful dark side users, perhaps even to resurrect Palpatine. But not because I think that is a good story idea, but because The Mandalorian took that from The Rise of Skywalker and integrated into its main plot already as something some imperial remnants were doing. It would thus be difficult to avoid it, so might as well try and use it in a coherent way instead of just dumping it in during the opening crawl of Episode IX. (Snoke's appearance could be argued to be a hint at cloning tech, but that's hindsight, not an actual hint or well foreshadowed plot point.)

[@billmcdermott9647]

How many parts will this have

[@NinjaPeko22]

Well the prequels are fuxking garbage so no. Stop it. The only trilogy is the OT.

[@choreomaniac]

The most important and basic question you have to answer is “What would Luke be doing in this movie against a galactic level threat?” If you set it 30 years after the defeat of the Empire, Luke cannot have a cameo role. It would be hard to make him anything but the central character and hero as he would be the hero of the republic, the re-founder of the Jedi and one of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think the best answer would be for him to die at the end of the first movie and his students to respond to this. Maybe betrayed by his own student. This would be a way to get a young generation of Jedi into the franchise. It would be a chance to give Luke a heroic death, sacrificing himself for the greater good. The “bitter quitter Luke” could have worked if they showed more of it on screen. Make the first whole movie about him training his twins to become Jedi and then one kills the other and runs away. Luke abandons the Jedi in his grief. Another larger idea would be Gray Jedi who believe you must combine the light and dark side into a synthesis and overcome the false dichotomy of Jedi and Sith. This can either be shown to be correct or in my view to ultimately restart the Sith. But it’s an idea that hasn’t really appeared in the films. Finally, you could make it about how Luke implemented many changes to the role and training of the Jedi. No more engaging in politics or military activities. Perhaps a more hermetic or spiritual version of the Jedi more monk than warrior.

[@jps6071]

The Prequels "did" feature a galactic level threat and still managed to give Yoda, who was the head of the Order and most powerful Jedi at that time, a significant role "without" making him the main character. That was never the problem. You just need some fundamental writing skills, that the people who made the sequels simply didn´t even possess.

[@choreomaniac]

@@jps6071 Yoda was one of 10,000 Jedi. Luke was the most important Jedi after the Empire. And the protagonist of the OT and has to be a major part of the story known as the Skywalker Saga. You could remove Yoda and the Prequels could still work. I don’t see how you could remove Luke from the sequels successfully. The sequels should have been made in 1999 not 2014. A 63-year old Hamil just couldn’t kick off a new action franchise. Also, Yoda is a puppet or CG so doesn’t have the same issue of aging. The plot and in-universe reasoning demanded Luke as the central character (Yoda wasn’t in the same position, Anakin was the main character) BUT out-of-universe reasons demanded Luke not be the main character (desire to start a new franchise with young actors). Removing Luke from FA made sense but ultimately failed because it was out of character and his sacrifice was nonsensical no matter what John Williams music was added over his slow fade. I do agree that a good writer could make it work but there were serious constraints. But Top Gun and Creed show how to close and reboot a franchise. They didn’t destroy the aging hero and treated the source material with respect. They brought in the new generation without

[@jdstudios1912]

The trilogy did have a message or more accurately "the message" but that's all it had, there was literally nothing else in it. It's like a fortune cookie but you only get the fortune.

[@silverbullet1620]

Hey Thor, did you see my question about Clones? Who is right J. J. Plagiarisms or Geetsley's when it comes to the Clones?

[@rogerpalsgrove9678]

I'm still flabbergasted by how bad they messed up.

[@Narco42]

Spot on

[@tracylyell9440]

Star wars is like star trek but opposite in how they got to be fandoms. First star trek was a television series that eventually got into feature films and spawn new series and movies while maintaining the premise that is it's universe ideas of stories. Now star wars was created as a feature film (although the main plot line was very rich in story but had to be wrote dowm to a film play time and still grab your attention and move you along to the movie end reward). It wad designed to be like old hollywood serials that generally continued the story outline while giving satisfaction at the end of each movie. The ot brought about more stories that let you see what comes about with the characters after the basic story arc's conclusion. Star wars then got into television series that give you even greater depth to the characters life (how they ended up as they became). The problem that we have is that people seem to fall into types that only want theatrical stories and dismiss televised stories both live action and animation as just for kids and feature films are for young &old adluts. Before moving pictures came about the stories were books and the pictures were only in your own mind. Live action allows the viewer to be more engrossed in the story without having to create the character images in their mind. This is where comics came in as printed out images to help you see the dtory and character images as the creator wanted you to see. Movies are hundreds of story panels moving you along, but they always began as an imagined or actual story board of the creator's vision for you. This is where our current problem is so ridiculous. It is all a story meant to bring you along on the characters journey, make you feel for them and learn hoe and why they are traveling the way theyare going. Televised series give you great nuance to the character while movies have time limits to get the story across from the opening shot to the climatic end. Series can get you up close to the character to better feel for their journey. So if you enjoy a franchise's product don't limit your self to only one type of story telling. I grew up watching star trek as reruns/sindication and then enjoed the feature films and new series they came along. Then there was star wars theatrical release and i enjoyed it and the sequals (original trilogy), the book/stories that continued the characters' journey. Then George decided to grant the wish that i and other fans wanted, where the main characters came from and how they got to the point of at the beginning of a new hope. Then clone wars came out in animation so i watched it and enjoyed it as it filled out the story progression that was spotty in the prequals (pt). Now the mandalorian era is helping satisfy my desire to see how the new republic messed up and lead to its fall and hopfully return better than it was and more the way it needed to become.

[@MobbJacket88]

I love how safe it is for Star Wars fans to criticize the sequel trilogy now when just three years ago they (or most of you in the comments) would have bitten your head off for just calling it mid.

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

The sequel trilogy didn't justify its existence. It had no story that needed to be told. It literally started where ep 4 started and left us where we were after ep 6. This is why the prequels are still defended en masse and the sequels never will be. Ep 6 feels like a good end to the saga, but the sequels cheapen that story and add superfluous stuff that doesn't enhance the overall story.

[@bayushiteishiru6291]

A lofty goal, if not even entirely impossible one. Because of Ray.

[@marknovak6498]

We had three book the was the sequal trilogy that was thrown away. I say throw away the disney trilogu and make the movies based on the Thrawn Trilogy

[@steve93pa]

The only meaningful contribution this trilogy made was to remind the rest of the fans that the prequels weren't so bad and that Lucas isn't the terrible director they thought he was.

[@TheDemigans]

What was missing: 1: respect for what came before. The previous films had a continuation of the world and characters, the title crawl placed where the setting and characters had gone in the meantime. But the Sequels decided that off-screen Luke and Han’s personality did a 180 of everything they learned in the movies before off-screen. Like Luke goes from throwing away his weapon and preparing to die just to convince his father to turn back to the light to “I’ll consider murdering my nephew in his sleep because of mere moments of dark side being spotted during training. Boy, Kylo has the exact same issues that Luke had to deal with when becoming a Jedi, if anyone could have understood Kylo and guided him then it would have been Luke. Worse: when Kylo sees Luke standing over him he doesn’t just attempt to kill Luke, but all the other Younglings because of “Dark Whispers”. Remember Vader? The guy who needed reasons like his mother dying and not wanting other loved ones to die and seeing premonitions of Padmé dying so he seeks the power to save her and only when all options are exhausted does he fully give in to the Dark Side and kill the Younglings? Yeah fuck that, Kylo just does it because of Dark Whispers and Luke standing over him. 2: railroad plot driven, rather than character driven. If you introduce a character like Finn, who is a child-soldier who defected after seeing first *a fellow stormtrooper* dying and then not wanting to kill the civilians, then this character’s core motivation should be about how he deals with this. He obviously doesn’t want to see his fellow child-soldiers killed, the start of his decision to defect was a fellow soldier dying. But he also doesn’t want to be part of the First Order. Which means the most logical step for him is to seek a way to stop the First Order or at the very least save his fellow child soldiers. And can you imagine how awesome it would have been if at the end the Rebellion failed, a rebellion that fights for the faceless masses. but the actions of Finn in the movies mean he can do a final plea on an open radio to the most faceless mass that are the Stormtroopers and ask them to set themselves free, and all those stormtroopers drop their helmets and fight for the good guys? Yeah no, he’ll be whooping and cheering as he racks up an increasing bodycount of child soldiers.

[@meltedcopper9247]

Palpatine 's daughter walks into the sunset after stealing the loser would be heros name .showing that evil 😈 wins and walks into the sunset.. talk about subverting expectations..and I honestly thought palpy was gay..

[@Himmiefan]

I still can’t believe that the producers didn’t realize that Anakin is the core character of the Skywalker Saga. Leaving him out is the worst of the sequels’ many, many sins.

[@BlewJ]

I think Prism's retelling of the sequel trilogy is the closest thing to what I wish all of this was

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

I was going to ask a hey thor that was basically what would your sequel trilogy say (something along those lines)

[@mikeeichinger9530]

What if the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant had to set aside their differences to work together and fight off a superior extra-galactic invader?

[@robmarconi6758]

It amazes me that I HATED Johnson's Star Wars entry yet loved his Knives Out movies

[@thaThRONe]

While it seems like a basic concept you would have a storyline with an entire story group I don't think it was the biggest issue. If Rian Johnson took into consideration the movie before his which you would hope would be common sense the trilogy would have at least been decent.

[@jeancaron9325]

They Mary-sued the female charaters and Dumb down the male Characters.

[@Jacobean_]

If the prequels are about the failure of democracy and the originals are about the restoration of democracy, I think a theme that would’ve been a nice follow-through for the sequels could’ve been the preservation of democracy. Show what it looks like to continue protecting what they’ve fought so hard for after losing it then gaining it back

[@odensebushido]

The incredible bad Star Wars tv-shows Disney is making (Except for Andor) has made me appreciate the sequels more (despite their issues). Hopefully they have learned their lesson and we will see much better movies in the future.

[@TheBmb2jn]

Here's my suggestion. Instead of Ressurecting Palpatine, continue Operation Cinder from Battlefront II. Have Palpatine have a contigiency plan, through holograms or as a Force Ghost, have him instruct Kylo Ren how to execute this plan.

[@TheMediaMonologue]

That's similar to what I thought they were going to do with him in TROS. I thought maybe his spirit survived within the ruins of the Death Star, similar to how ancient Sith Lords would bond themselves to places and objects. He could then be revealed to have advised the First Order and set certain events in motion, but I didn't think they would reveal he was alive and the true mastermind behind everything.

[@Albertox-mg4ko]

And how there is always a battle or balancing between light and dark.

[@tridentstacking]

You do like a challenge 😂

[@Better-Star-Wars]

Hello there and hello Thor ! A little message to tell you all that BETTER STAR WARS is out. It is and edit of The Force Awakens that completely changes the story and the fate of some main characters. You can find more infos in the video of my channel if you are interested.

[@dicsord-server]

First trilogy shows how democracy can be destroyed. Second trilogy is about how it’s worth giving your life to get back. Third trilogy should have been how to fix a fractured society in the aftermath. That would be a good story of what happened after, and would hold a message in current day of our society coming together instead of breaking apart.

[@manadon23]

Establishing a new threat to the galaxy was the biggest mistake