WASTE PIPES FOR BATH & WASH BASIN - Bathroom Refurbishment Pt 4

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[@tobyfox7083]

I don’t normally (wouldn’t normally) comment....however....I started off today in a f**king foul mood at some of the silly mistakes I’ve made while doing my first bathroom renovation (from bedroom to bathroom) and all I can say is that after watching 3 or 4 of James’ videos I’m in a much better mood because he is knowledgable and funny and generally just easy watching....great tips and tricks, and more importantly, for newbies, great detail in how to forward think and plan to save time, money and stress! I’m now subscribed, Bell icon hit, and look forward to the next videos! Top man! Cheers

[@chriswelsh587]

Noooooo James !!! What are you doing cutting the shite out of those joists 😱 When you stand on that floor ! You better “hold tight” 🤣

[@bradtyler7358]

By far one of the most informative and entertaining plumbing videos I’ve ever watched! 😂👍🏻

[@adamlancaster183]

As a plumber myself, I prefer watching the first fix more than the second fix!!

[@wehfallows]

I know its only Plumbing but this guy makes it hella entertaining XD

[@gmeadowcroft84]

Got to love a bit of Plumber Parts on a Saturday morning

[@jamesprice4788]

Nice little surprise of a different vid this morning, love the new cutters I had these myself they are good 👍

[@chrisgunn121]

Hi James, what make are Jimmy's Red ratchet scissor pipe cutters, look like Rigid or Rothenbergers?

[@jamesprice4788]

@@chrisgunn121 I believe they are rothenberger

[@chrisgunn121]

@@jamesprice4788 Thanks James

[@stco2426]

Thanks. Have some kitchen solvent weld waste pipe to add to for another appliance and this has exactly what I need. Thanks for making and sharing. Cool vids!!

[@stephenmontague4089]

Have you checked the regulations regarding notching joists?

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

Apparently in real life nobody complies to building regs when it come to notching, drilling and chasing.

[@peterryan7827]

Very informative,i just have to say, my old boss would have not been happy joining waste pipes for any reason, very tidy job,I would also rethink the plugged end tee for rodding, They do after a few years clog up with crap, as your well aware.Thanks again,

[@42RHD]

You can get sticker glue off cleanly with lighter fluid. The one with the white tin is best. 👍 Everyone I know gives Yorkshire fittings a little dab of solder for luck! And I've got that plastic pipe cutter, I love it!

[@vistron888]

I do wonder if swept elbows are better than two 45s as the more connections mean more lips and more places for crud to snag on.

[@steve45678]

Seems so wrong notching the joists to accommodate the waste pipes.

[@bazzookabod5250]

Seems wrong coz it IS WRONG INIT

[@cglees]

As long as you follow regs on notch size and location it is fine

[@duncansluman8606]

@@cglees isn’t it max 1/8th the joist depth? Must be 10” joists then?? Haha.

[@cglees]

@@duncansluman8606 0.125

[@danielgreenaway6468]

@@cglees 1/8th is 0.125

[@MrMkindy]

Those notches look a little too deep for those joists....should be no more than 0.125 of the joist total depth.

[@chrisstorr5669]

12.5% of joist depth and between 7 to 20% of joist span. I still don't get how plumbers get away with cutting that amount of a joist

[@Gixer750pilot]

[@andylightfoot8396]

Love the videos always very informative whilst being delivered in a fun laid back way. What advice would give someone in their mid 30s who wants to get into fitting bathrooms and kitchens but doesn't come from a trade background just a keen diy'er currently and also needs to keep the penny's rolling in so cant just give up work to do years at college etc

[@yousafamin3187]

Your way too funny Bro ..... & I'm sure I have tried that site trick 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@adamfowler186]

Learning plumbing so be gentle. How do you know it's safe to notch joists at those locations???

[@daleprosser350]

Truth is, it’s not. You learn it has to be this way or that way in college but you can’t always stick to regs, sometimes you have to do what you have to do (without taking the piss like drilling a hole in the joist for a soil or something)

[@Aliens4world]

@0:32 I can see u cut joists notches to make way for waste pipe. what size is ur waste pipe?? as I'm planning for bathroom renovation and joists coming in way of pipes.

[@ryanbryant2902]

Just a quick one mate, how come you use solvent weld for waste pipes I’ve always been a push fit type of guy myself but wondered if there is an advantage in solvent then push fit.

[@thatcornishcockney]

Solvent less likely to leak, push fit can pull apart over time and if its under a shower tray for example itll be a nightmare to fix. there is a place for push fit but id always use solvent personally

[@ryanbryant2902]

@@thatcornishcockney thanks mate i might start using it more like i say ive always been taught pushfit and never had any problems with it

[@cglees]

Solvent weld is cheaper than pushfit

[@cozypowell007]

My builder used push fit for bath waste thst ran through the ceiling of my downstairs extension. Lasted 4 weeks then the fitting came loose with a bath full of water. Ended up cutting out the ceiling to dry it all out. Removed it all and added solvent.

[@SuperBlackguard]

great stuff well explained, gotta do a wee down the basin waste...cheers

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

So when the college stress you that you can only notch 1/8 of your joist depth and drill 1/4 of your joist depth, it is all bullshits. Same like chasing a brickwall 1/3 of the depth vertically and 1/6 horizontally, is that right cause I see plumber chasing 43 mm pipe horizontally in brickwalls

[@DIYJourney1]

Great video as always. Iv been literally sharing this process on my channel about 2 weeks before your videos as a first timer 😩 it would of been so useful to follow the pro like yourself 🤣🤦🏽‍♂️. Keep up the great work.

[@denkitney8865]

OK, so you've solvent weld all the joints, then do a wster test, and find one leaks. How do you fix it, if it's welded together? PS i'm not a plumber...

[@denkitney8865]

Pps, great vid"s as always...

[@danielgreenaway6468]

It’s extremely unlikely for it to leak if you use enough solvent cement and if it does you just have to cut the pipe work leading to the leaking fitting and then coupling onto the pipe work and put a new fitting in.

[@johncampbell6715]

All the sparks and chippies that are remarking on the joist notching please explain the alternative way of doing it.I look forward to your replys.

[@TheHeavyend81]

I'm no pumber but love the videos. I would have thought drilling holes would leave you with stronger joists, even maybe with the addition of steel bracing above each hole.

[@Emexrulsier]

I have a bath which is slow draining. I have run a drain coil/snake all the way from under the bath to outside. I have remove the U bend and other two connector pipes that I can access (before it goes under the floor) and cleaned them all out. I have also checked the air vent on the bath (connects the plug hole area to roughly where the taps are) As far as I can see and tell there is no obstruction, but when taking a shower, you end up paddling in a few inches of water. The bath does drain completely just extremely slow. Could it be something as simple the correct angle, they ofc don't angle up but maybe not enough down. Any recommendations what I can check?

[@dansmith263]

Can u do one for a shower in a bungalow thanks

[@petemo2266]

Why did you not want to use the old pipe run for the basin save making more runs in the josts? Seen lots of videos talking about not cutting into host to much.

[@peterryan7827]

Agree so much,

[@adamwilson6941]

Hi, I'm currently getting an extension done. The foul waste pipe runs under tbe floor, is it okay to branch off this for the sink, shower and bath waste

[@TrickyTree84]

No

[@benjaminsilvester17]

Sorry to ask but can you notch the joist that much for the waste pipe

[@djewen]

Love got the TRV is still on your bucket from when you done the TRV explanation video! 👀

[@markbealey4832]

Joists are to small to cut that amount out

[@fredjoyce4914]

His house his rules

[@markbealey4832]

@@fredjoyce4914 what is the point of building regulation if no one uses them

[@ratchriat1716]

great video James found it very informative and useful stay safe.

[@MisterStuzy]

What's the 110mm waste adapter? Can't seem to find one quite like it

[@scottnever8732]

so weaken the floor joists?

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

How can you notch 40mm from that joist and still be ok with the regs? Thanks advance for your kind reply

[@Luke-hg3qc]

Can anyone tell me if its ok for the sink waste pipe 32mm to go into the toilet waste soil pipe before the stack as that's what my plumber has done and he told me that's fine but I thought they have to be separate ?

[@rjamsbury1]

He said he was going to add an air vent in too which addresses the concern. Without that, flow from one appliance waste can suck on the trap of another, causing gurgling or even pulling the water out of the trap.

[@kingofthetrowel1725]

I’ve just asked same question mate 😂 I have a 32mm (around 1m length) washbasin waste that bosses into a wc branch (around 2.5m length) that goes into stack ,stack has an aav on top boxed in as its internal , I want to know if this is upto regs as I’m getting a building inspector soon. I thought the same that all branches need to be separate not combined. If a smaller aav is fitted on the 32mm waste pipe or a anti syphon trap would this comply with building regs

[@colzie94]

That's my weekend made mate... Love your videos 👌🏽

[@richijohnstone1939]

That waste work is an absolute shambles.

[@jstheplumber5264]

Explain?

[@richijohnstone1939]

You would have seen the discussion but it appears james deleted all the comments on it 😂

[@jstheplumber5264]

@@richijohnstone1939 Sad times

[@firstpestcontrol276]

James..were you on Talk Radio today chatting with Mike Graham?

[@firstman9273]

How do you undo glued waste pipe ?

[@jamienelson7544]

Cut them off only thing for it

[@daleprosser350]

You can cut the pipe flush with the fitting and then you can get a drill accessory that reams out the inside of the fitting so you could reuse it

[@TheHeavyend81]

Why have the double away and back in bends at the stack end. Surely it would have been neater to have put the ofset bend under the floorboards at the basin end which I'm sure would have aided a much better flow, running the pipe 2'' to the left thru the joist as you look at the basin. Ending up with three bends in the run as opposed to four.

[@jukesr]

herd your peace on talk radio today pal agreed with everything you had to say, keep up the good work.

[@plumberparts]

Haha! Cheers man. Do you listen to my podcast about it?

[@jukesr]

@@plumberparts I haven't mate, will need to check it out 👍

[@plumberparts]

@@jukesr ‘the real normal’

[@marcbilinski6468]

As always another cool funny 😂 and informative video remember keep it up 👍🏻

[@vRSPagey]

I see a few have commented about cutting the joist, I'm currently installing a new bathroom and want to run the pipe work under the floor boards. I have about 1.5m to span with waste, but across joists. Tje guidance/regs I found suggests I can drill through, but there are lots of restrictions. I know this is your house, but would you 'legally' get away with notching the joist?

[@wizkid01]

If you notch to the same depth using equivalent dimensional joists as shown in this video - it will not pass building regs. google it there's plenty info online with regards to regs.

[@bobp6742]

Don't. If you do and something happens like a pipe bursts brings the ceiling down and your unlucky to have a insurance assessor take a gander and sees the notching you could find yourself with a house that's uninsureable until remedial work is carried out. From personal experience I can tell you insurance companies will find the smallest transgression not to pay out and put you on a black list.

[@NGPlumbingservices]

Great job 👍🏽

[@sanatandharma4435]

Can you un glue the joints after they set?

[@TrickyTree84]

No

[@johnbrookshull]

It's gotta be a bit of 15mm anthracite pipe coming out the wall with corner valves for a rad like that.

[@vRSPagey]

When you mention a swept 90, is this the 92.5° bend? I can't seem to find anything else.

[@coops6621]

yep the extra bit is for the fall

[@chrismorris9396]

What was that small piece you showed inside the sweeping 90 tee for that you said you might be able to get for free?

[@daleprosser350]

It’s a reducer, it fits inside the 40mm fitting and then a 32mm pipe fits inside that then

[@waynewinky2754]

Structural engineer here. Just check your bearing width between support walls, whether external or intermediate walls against the load/span tables, and use some common sense. The joists in the video appear to be min 150 x 50mm, could even be 175mm deep @ 400-450mm centres. Notching 40mm out of them reduces a 175mm to effectively a 125 x 50. Span for existing members looks about 2m with an assumed dead load for a bathroom of 0.25 - 0.5 so you could if installing new get away with 120mm deep x 47mm C24 @ 2.37 - 2.39 clear span between supports. It's not ideal what he's done and some reinforcement for additional stability should be provided to spread the weight. Only heavy item as a point load is a filled bath. Humans on flooring as live loads could comfortably walk on 120mm x 38mm wide joists at around 2.3m span without permanent deflection.

[@maheshchauhan9290]

Love the videos.. Funny as well as educational.. 👍👍👍

[@flyinghero5283]

can somebody answer me a question please?? i am going to totally rip out our bathroom and replace everything. The sink we have at the moment takes a while to drain the water... even just with the tap running (i have used Mr Muscles pipe cleaner.).. is this because i need a 'Automatic Air Vent' somewhere installed on the waste pipe??

[@samstorr6858]

If it’s not blocked somewhere along the line before it goes into your main stack, then yes it could be venting issues

[@flyinghero5283]

@@samstorr6858 thank Sam... sometimes its runs out 'so so'... then another time it struggles....and for no reason.

[@grahamarnold2591]

PLUMBERS AND WOOD DO NOT MIX .. OMG .. seen this so many times.. OH DEAR.. !!!!

[@richierich4175]

I'm addicted to watching your videos now. Only one thing I'm confused about is..on the glue pot, it states not to twist the pipe when pushing the pipe into the joint. Do I screw or push and no I'm not asking the wife that question either lol. #Holdtight....

[@johnadams1976]

Great stuff as always 😀😀

[@peterfido8735]

In response to the many negative comments regarding the joist notching , will cutting out 40mm or so from what look like 9" joists really have any detrimental affect 🤔 . Personally I wouldn't have thought so but that's only my opinion .Great video 👍

[@rjamsbury1]

It's not a matter of opinion - it's just what building regulations stipulate. He was going down 50mm at the bottom - regs say maximum 1/8 of the joist depth and they ain't 400mm joists!

[@timbrooks2763]

Raw plugs in plasterboard ?

[@suly6143]

great video mate

[@Raysnature]

OK so I've seen a lot of talk about notching out the joists. Here's the question then; how do you get the pipe from one side of the room to the other? Talking to a non plumber here.

[@Superfandangoo]

It’s definitely not this way. If you’ve a waste pipe to go through a nine inch joist you need an angle drill with a hole saw and drill through the centre of the joist obviously the waste pipe will be inserted with a few straight connectors. Never notch the top of a joist this deep. 0.125 of depth for notching top of joist or 0.250 for cutting hole in centres and from bearing to bearing span 0.125 to .40 not the middle nor up against the bearing 👍

[@plumberparts]

My house is still standing! 😂

[@Superfandangoo]

@@plumberparts I don’t care your still wrong and your not going to open up the flooring to look at the stress of splitting joists in a few years nor think about a bathroom with the weight of a bath, water and person in that area. You’ve obviously a lot of subscribers and views but this advice is very wrong mate

[@Superfandangoo]

@@plumberparts P.S. obviously if you’ve got a load bearing wall either side of say 8ft of the span rule of thumb you can have a 4x2 flooring joist so cutting into a 9” joist is no problem but check spans between load bearing walls before notching out such a depth

[@TheHeavyend81]

@@plumberparts remind me not to buy when its up for sale

[@andyf673]

I hate ratchet cutters, they squash the pipe , just use a junior, its fun trying to keep it straight tho

[@stevesunderland3943]

I’ve bought both expensive and cheapo junior hacksaws and none of em cut straight. Or maybe it’s just me. 😂😂

[@Fran-fv6pf]

"Pornhub...... Expectation of plumber turning up"🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's certainly going to be used by me; brilliant, just brilliant

[@MRALLETT]

Thanks for making the video

[@jasc6904]

Your view on push fit waste fitting

[@jakes6147]

Always solvent weld

[@TheKevcarp]

Move and leak. OK for accessable areas if you must.

[@chrisgunn121]

Love your Red pipe cutters Jimmy, are they on the Amazon store?

[@plumberparts]

Hi Chris. Which ones mate? I've got the snip/scissor type or the pipeslice type...

[@chrisgunn121]

@@plumberparts Red Snip scissor ones, look like Rigid or Rothenberger?

[@plumberparts]

Rothes mate. In the tool bag bit of the store. 👍

[@chrisgunn121]

@@plumberparts Thanks Jimmy, off to do a spot of shopping then have a long soak in the bath

[@peter-gn8ey]

@@plumberparts i noticed a lot of adjustable spanners on your amazon page jimbo... are you not a fan of knippex plier wrenches?

[@duncansluman8606]

Not sure the joist notching would pass building regs? Lol.

[@philliphillier6848]

Hmm I thought it was 1 in 9 notching a joist,so much for building regs

[@fazerstorm-oap]

Might be worth explaining why you are putting in a mini durgle valve (vent) for those wondering?

[@plumberparts]

I will in a few vids time. Forgot here! 😂

[@phillipbull3673]

Coz he's teed bath and basin waste together... stops the gurgle

[@fazerstorm-oap]

@@phillipbull3673 yes but not everyone knows that. 👍

[@phillipbull3673]

@@fazerstorm-oap well u do now ...

[@fredjoyce4914]

For banter

[@danieloneill3398]

Why do ya vent the basin waste?

[@richijohnstone1939]

Because the lazy sod teed them all in

[@stevesunderland3943]

Gurgle. Gurgle.

[@richijohnstone1939]

It’s just sheer lazy. There’s 4” there , best solution would be 2 x boss pipe giving separate runs. His knowledge in plumbing is good but not all plumbers can fit bathrooms.

[@stevesunderland3943]

@@richijohnstone1939 looks like where the waste pipe is going is a 4 inch branch for the toilet, if he had taken the floorboards up right up to the wall , he could have got another boss in there for the basin waste. There would have been a socket there but there would have been room to get a boss in. (I’ve been a plumber for 55 years).

[@richijohnstone1939]

@@stevesunderland3943 yeah there quite possibly could have been, I always alter my 4” runs to give independent wastes. Even tight in a corner I’ll get the dremel out to get a boss underneath the floor.

[@paulgreen008]

Have we been sponsored by bosch since the last power tool video 😂

[@c.5632]

Nice work 👍🏻 you should try the pica mechanical pencils worth every penny.

[@rsoppy735]

To read to some of these nob jockeys post about joist notching joists .very few jobs would be done unless the waste is routed outside and around all outside walls or along miles of skirting to the stack. How they explain to the home owner why their house now looks S**t because of building regs are never posted. Start the van lets get out of here more like it.

[@BurnedOutGarage]

That last bit of the song 😂😂😂

[@Stunl3y]

Not going to lie it scares the shit out of me drilling or sawing through floorboards even when im pretty sure no pipe or cable works there

[@edthelasttribe9580]

What’s all this mess about 😳😱 could be honest you should used 40 mm tee compression on that soiled stack outlet, if any mistakes happen , easy fix …

[@smalik695]

Very nice 👍🏼

[@markallan2900]

Picking glue off your fingers is strangely therapeutic

[@garylaycock]

“If your a true plumber you will do a little wee wee down it!” 😂😂😂

[@knightsy55]

What size pipe do you use? I have ordered 32mm?

[@daleprosser350]

32mm for a basin and 40mm for anything else

[@bobp6742]

Holy crap the amount of notches in those floor joists is ridiculous and you've made it worse It's difficult to see the span and where the supports are but I bet it's against the reqs. That floor is going to be like a trampoline.

[@bartonbravo1]

Love this guy he is brilliant! Be ace to go to for a pint with this fella !

[@jklplum8ing816]

I never get away with putting the fittings inside 🙄😂 giving away them trade secrets. Also quick one why does everyone call them 45s the angle is actually 135 and they are labelled 135 but every plumber I work with calls them 45s 🧐 please ask I need to know why?? JKL PLUM8ING 💯

[@rjamsbury1]

The direction of the flow gets changed by 45 degrees! Calling them 135s means a straight pipe is 180 🤣

[@dankeel3899]

@@rjamsbury1 but the internal angle is 135. 45 degree angle on a pipe would be a hairpin, full of hairs and pins 😅

[@rjamsbury1]

@@dankeel3899 I think you misunderstood me? I said that 45° was how much the flow deviates from its original straight line flow.

[@scottotero9374]

Glue is cheap, Leaks are steep 😉😉🤪

[@peterryan7827]

Love that, there a song there somewhere.

[@scottotero9374]

@@peterryan7827 🤣🤣😂 James, come on man

[@stuntmanwill]

Please clear all the rubbish out from under the floorboards! 🙏🏻

[@bobp6742]

With the amount of notches in those joists I think it won't be long before it clears its self out

[@TheHeavyend81]

.....thats not rubbish...thats my pipework !

[@Aut251]

Guilty…. I did a wee wee down a waste I fitted on a new build….Nobody likes using a Porter loo on site 💩 👃 🦠 lol 😂

[@TheHeavyend81]

I wee'd into a 40mm pipe once.....got my tog stuck....not that I'm bragging or anything

[@PowerPlusHeatingTv]

what knee pads are you wearing dude? Hoooooowl Tyt!

[@jcdenton23]

DeWalt knee pads

[@simonreid6343]

Hold tight!

[@moodyalraisi1935]

Good morning ⚘⚘⚘

[@eugeneeugene8252]

1 in 40 for 40mm pipe really?I think you misunderstood the tutorial - it's 40mm drop per metre run.And cutting the joists for anything more then 22mm pipe is illegal

[@SteS]

It's a gradient. 1:40. 1 meter run is 1000/40 = 25mm.

[@Superfandangoo]

You just don’t notch a joist this deep, the regs are there in black and white for the purpose of protecting the structural integrity of a building and the safety of the occupants. Waste pipes that need to go through a joist should be holed in the centres of the joist not exceeding 25% or 0.25 of the depth of joist and put between 0.125 and 0.400 of the span for belt and braces glue and screw ply over where the hole is to be drilled. A notch no deeper than 0.125 of the overall depth with same consideration of same limits between bearings. This video should have a warning to people that have come here for advice as this is wrong in many ways, possibly dangerous and costly

[@Superfandangoo]

Before you take this comment down you should take this video down as people are wrecking there houses with you influencing them to do this. Do the right thing James if your a true tradesman. Think bathroom, bath full of water and a 100kg of person in it

[@Derek_Garnham]

sooner or later it's two people! @@Superfandangoo

[@SuperWayneyb]

👍🤓👍

[@yousafamin3187]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂