Wasted Money? New Starter Installed. Bad Battery Maybe?

The car has been a little hard to start the last few races, well not really hard to start but slower turning over. So we picked up a new starter, Powermaster Ultra High Speed. Let's do a back to back test and see how it works out! The new one seems to be spinning a little faster, and for sure pulls less power but I was hoping it would turn over super fast. Am I dealing with a bad battery? Let me know what ya'll think.
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[@shoresharp8349]

Make sure your wire going to the starter is rated for the high amps!!!! Wire size is critical especially cranking for extended periods.

[@RicardoGarcia-104]

Definitely remember ohms law. Will always give you answers Good luck John

[@tonyleaman5958]

Meziere , has a great video on this subject…. I was having the same issue. I bought a starter cable kit from bickle race cars, which was a number 4 gauge never even gave it a second thought . After adding a 16 V battery, it did not speed the starter up much at all. After watching the video and doing the test explained I was dropping around 4 V so I up the wire size as they recommend to. 0/1 ott wire, HUGE difference in cranking speed much better now….

[@guhfluh]

Definitely do a voltage drop test on it all. And wire gauge makes a huge difference.

[@danieljames5875]

Sounds the exact same through video, I only use welding lead for starter and grounds. The size of the wire inside the cable is important. If it has fewer but larger diameter strands then it is NOT going to be as good as more plentiful smaller strands. Electrical current rides on the outside of each individual wire strand NOT through the wire. The price you pay is definitely reflective of the quality you get. Cable should be easy to bend and very soft/flexible. If the cable is stiff then its probably not very good quality. Material and strand count is the only thing that matters. Use the largest cable you can. Not sure that a 16v Battery should drop that much? Even down to 12 seems a little much but I could be wrong on that part.

[@freddiemoralez1536]

Car is getting better and better fast lot's of progress in last year. Keep pushing bro.

[@mike22468]

Happy New Years

[@kevinlarrick3285]

I can’t believe you were in Ohio and didn’t come and see me !! And you are right it was cold cold up here.Happy New Year to you all be safe car sounds great

[@davidreed6070]

You guys did a good job on your hot side. You don't want to wrap it because it looks so good.

[@thesquirrelchroniclesakare7808]

Go get that money now brother !

[@Cliff_Anderson]

It's not unusual for the voltage to drop around 8 or 9 during the first cranks...but those extra two volts with the new one will make a big difference to your ignition system. I'd call that an upgrade.

[@mikecolemire3692]

Sure sounds good.

[@cfmechanic]

I have a red starte like that from Amazon. Takes a beating but is reliable so long as you keep bolts tight.

[@randyyates7842]

You know I sit around thinking about your situation about the hard start sometimes valve lash when it's cold will cause situations like that

[@supercharged6771]

Meziere wouldn't sell me a starter without going to a ford style Isolated solonoid, which im glad, and cleaned up a bunch and did it the right way

[@DSRE535]

Definitely cranks faster now

[@hdogjones1845]

That Bars Leak makes a freakin mess in an engine - it sets up sorta like the GM Dexcool is notorious for in late 90s early 2000s GM 4.3L in Blazer/Jimmy , S10& Sonomas

[@ThePaintPaperHustle]

Hope you have a good New Years John!

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

Yo how’s the Maverick? I can’t wait to see it back on the dyno! Yes I know it’s a Comet

[@ThePaintPaperHustle]

@@baby-sharkgto4902 actually messed with it for a few today man. Still waiting to get motor back

[@yinzer_412_]

It’s worth the money for a better starter. Less voltage drop is easier on your battery.

[@erichamm4628]

I had this issue on my car with a trunk mounted battery. Ran a grounding cable directly from my battery to a starter bolt and the thing sounded like a brushless rc car. Redid my grounds away from chassis and the thing starts first rotation hot or cold in the staging lanes every time. Worth noting Datsuns are notorious poor chassis grounds so most of my electronics already had a direct path or cable path to battery. My engine straps were through the chassis however.

[@keithmacdonald5848]

Check the grounds, make sure block is super clean where starter mounts,, warm up in Canada today, it's about 5 degrees above zero,😆

[@oldandboosted]

Definitely worth it. Now you have a brand new starter on the car that will last years and years hopefully, and you have a spare in the trailer

[@grapeseed12]

John I have had the lithium batteries and I have found they are not worth it.for me the big 16 volt battery was the way to go.i could only start the car and make 1 run.the starter would spin over slower I had no confidence in the lithium.

[@Modifiedstreetcom]

We have a go lithium 16v battery and it does not perform well when the weather is cold. Maybe this helps you. Love your content!

[@Hjfvvdst]

If your battery is lithium. The colder the Temps the less amperage it will produce. To check, take the battery in side for 24 hrs. Then check voltage on crank also cranking rpm. This is what I was told by the mfg. I run 2/0 welding leads for both hot and ground. I also use no-oxide on all terminations.

[@jakedasnake88]

Could the wire going to the starter be a little too small? Wouldn't that cause it to be slower/high Amp draw?

[@kevin_nagle]

The Mezeire starter is the last starter you will ever buy, i suggest investing in one.

[@derekspinks2422]

Hey buddy I watch all your videos and learn a lot from you my question is what brake cleaner you use and were the best place to spray the cleaner

[@danieljames5875]

Sounds the exact same through video, I only use welding lead for starter and grounds. The size of the wire inside the cable is important. If it has fewer but larger diameter strands then it is NOT going to be as good as more plentiful smaller strands. Electrical current rides on the outside of each individual wire strand NOT through the wire. The price you pay is definitely reflective of the quality you get. Cable should be easy to bend and very soft/flexible. If the cable is stiff then its probably not very good quality. Material and strand count is the only thing that matters. Use the largest cable you can. Pre-made cables from chain stores like oreillys are junk for anything but your lawn mower or ford escort lol. Not sure that a 16v Battery should drop that much? Even down to 12 seems a little much but I could be wrong on that part.

[@mikecolemire3692]

My 16 volt I had would spin my 582 bbc with 15 1/2 to 1 compression would spindle crazy.

[@joshmiller8663]

I'm an hour from summit in Ohio just inside PA was 57 here today. was great.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

55 in Vermont, too. Hell yeah

[@rjlakosky7612]

Definitely faster starting

[@tuloko16]

Them LED lights at Harbor Freight work like a champ. I use them on the garage and on the grow room for the plants. Can’t beat the price.

[@sodapop9283]

Our entertainment is worth all the money u spend...

[@THUNDERSTRUCKRACING70]

Nice and shiny to see when you wheelie down the track. 🤣🤣🤣💯❤

[@jasonhastings5538]

Add 1/0 awg starter and ground you will see a big difference!!!!

[@peskypeet]

If you really think there's an issue you need to do voltage drop testing on the power and grounds at every connection point that is starter related. *Do this while the starter is spinning* Don't forget to voltage drop test the kill switch with the starter spinning. Some have been known to be horrible. I am nobody from nowhere. Hope you have a great next racing season 👍

[@lincolnstovall9471]

Summit starter? Toyota pieces of batteries? LOL 👍🤙👍🤙

[@jdubcbr600]

New starter definitely helped. Find out the cranking amps on that battery, that thing always cranked super fast I thought till you installed that battery.

[@freddiemoralez1536]

Nice starter definitely better quality, little faster also Nice. Thanks for the update and God bless all

[@jamesthetford2516]

John I think you done Awesome by getting the new starter

[@kinotransam]

We use a Tilton 40000 Series Super Starter with an XS Power 16V racing battery. It spins over our sled pulling engine like its nothing. Voltage usually only drops from 18v-16v fresh off the charger. The engine is a 485 BBC with enough compression to run diesel fuel 😁, and has both a 4stg dry sump pump, a separate vacuum pump, and the ignition timing is locked out at full advance without Start Ret. Although they are pricey, they are well worth it. We have tried many others and nothing compares to the Tiltons.

[@hankclingingsmith8707]

Yes.

[@danielhoma8081]

New parts always worth it ... Parts in the Cabinet Are good to have. No Sence wearing out parts for the cabinet. 😉

[@PaulRhodes420]

I could tell a little higher pitched sound like it is spinning faster. Also might wanna check those wires, higher voltage needs thicker wires! You can get a cheap set of jumper cables and use the wire from that. Double check your battery... Hope y'all have a Happy New Year🎉✨ See ya man! ✌😎

[@NollEngineeringPerformance]

Lithium battery should not drop that low in voltage, there’s a bad cell in it. It should run 14.8 after the surface charge is gone, and if you ever see 12.8 that’s the end of the line before its about to not charge again. They don’t follow ohms law in this case like a lead acid battery that sacrifices voltage for current. Lithium batteries hold their voltage and amperage increases on demand. Math comes from standard cells at 4.2vdc, 3.7vdc running, 3.4 shutoff. Your battery should have 16 cells in it, 4 groups of 4 in parallel, in series. For reference, take an 18v drill battery and run it down til it’s dead and won’t power the tool anymore and put a meter on it, it’ll still read 18v

[@bartpang]

Since you're adding so much weight for ballast I would go back to the 2 golf cart batteries.

[@robertdouglas3456]

I believe she is cranking faster & it also has less voltage drop! Win win TJohn!

[@xxkingslayemxxgamer5553]

I think it was spinning faster

[@jamesjenkins3936]

Yes it is better and faster. !!!

[@ThePaintPaperHustle]

Sounded faster to me man

[@sandersmotorsports516]

It sounds like the battery need to be updated and the starter is working perfectly now

[@danielsmith-ze3wy]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@donnielove4456]

Get the old one rebuilt so you will have a spare

[@jtcoker2684]

Think the new starter is better. Not drawing near the voltage

[@brucenaylor2043]

Well now you have a backup???? Silver lining maybe...🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@baldhead7705]

IDK John I think I checked the battery 16 amp it shouldn't be dropping down that much,but it does sound like it's cranking a little faster

[@510Redneck]

Man you could get stuff like that for free via "video sponsor of the day"... don't forget that stuff is hella CHEAP advertisement for companies and they can write it off. Tell em you're reach is 44k automotive heads and that stuff should be a no brainer for many of them.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

Could have checked RPM on laptop no?

[@1unaffiliated1]

Fuel pressure at startup? Timing at startup?

[@80Smetalrox]

Not wasted money, don't never know when that spare will come in handy

[@donalddooley4737]

I'm not good with them e gremlin's John

[@melissamcallister2867]

You dont have a tachometer to see the difference

[@mooklocklear1182]

Just save the old starter for back up

[@keithmacdonald5848]

Starter is worth it,, have your spare gone over,, always had a spare starter when drag racing

[@randyyates7842]

I think it was just thick cold oil, they make oil warmers that stick to your oil pan and you plug up.. probably wouldn't be a bad idea!

[@justin_parks]

He has 1, and said at the beginning that it had been on.

[@randyyates7842]

I'm willing to bet if you check the temperature of the oil in that motor that it is probably the same temperature as outside

[@randyyates7842]

The only way to prove that is either check the oil temperature after the Walmart has been on for a while or to crank the engine and get it up to operational temperatures and then wait 5 minutes and see how fast it spins then

[@marcuskaiser1730]

Spins faster and much less voltage big +

[@garywoodward847]

It sounded healthier when it was starting. I'd run an alternator myself I couldn't rely on that battery.

[@jasonhastings5538]

With all the electronics an alt would def help!!

[@jessicaroberts1983]

Makes ya wish ya would have bought that clearance one !!! But at the same time ya would have questioned that’s why it was clearance

[@mckinleydial4609]

Bad ingtion coils

[@Smokey72013]

Sure dont see if it goes faster. Im sure you could look at your rpm on your dash and see if its faster

[@jamesdewiel4736]

It’s a lot faster

[@danieljames5875]

Lol...

[@DonCatherman]

I don't hear no difference... I think your battery is low on cranking amp output...weak due to age.....same with old starter ..drawing more amps....but it's still starting so..if it ain't broke don't fix it....👍👍😎💪💯

[@danieljames5875]

Sounds the exact same through video, I only use welding lead for starter and grounds. The size of the wire inside the cable is important. If it has fewer but larger diameter strands then it is NOT going to be as good as more plentiful smaller strands. Electrical current rides on the outside of each individual wire strand NOT through the wire. The price you pay is definitely reflective of the quality you get. Cable should be easy to bend and very soft/flexible. If the cable is stiff then its probably not very good quality. Material and strand count is the only thing that matters. Use the largest cable you can. Not sure that a 16v Battery should drop that much? Even down to 12 seems a little much but I could be wrong on that part.

[@toddgreim9254]

Its faster in my opionion

[@timmywilliams8077]

Nothing wrong with starter it’s just a Ford.

[@mikemiller3007]

What? No comments yet?

[@thesquirrelchroniclesakare7808]

John you gotta quit playing that sad ass back ground music