Watch before you BUY! Longines Spirit Pioneer Edition

[@EscapementWatch]

Check out the BIG EYE TITANIUM REVIEW HERE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4Xbo353aad1l5I -Falling

[@timemeasured9137]

Big Eye takes the gold imo between these two. It's a shame that there is no open case back to see the movement and also it never came on the mesh bracelet that they use for the Legend Diver. :(

[@EscapementWatch]

A display case back would be nice but it would add some thickness.

[@pruteanu6]

this one is a winner… fabulous green … 100 m WR … COSC … big eye comes second

[@highwaystar3780]

Both look Awful but this came from a Cereal Box

[@EscapementWatch]

When I review the new Hamilton chrono pioneer, I will SUPER MACRO the minute subdial and you will see the minute hand JUMP instead of glide over to the next minute! That is horizontal clutch in action. These VALJOUX based 7750 and 7753 have been modified for Longines with vertical clutch and column wheels. Instead of horizontal and cam pushers. They keep updating these and making them specialized for longines and Omega calibre 3330. This sweep minute hand change isn't always an indication of a vertical clutch but it usually a huge tell! So I could be wrong but just giving you guys all the info! Seems like everyone publication is split on this issue and only LONGINES can confirm.

[@sammansoor8531]

I can agree. Did quite a bit of research and still couldn’t be absolutely certain whether the clutch is vertical or horizontal.

[@Nextman916]

it’s horizontal, been confirmed by Longines

[@HRM.H]

A very good looking watch in my opinion. But much too thick for my liking.

[@highwaystar3780]

I don't care watches like this...but I'd also like an Explanation as to why it has to be 16.5mm thick? Not that Omega is exactly a Refinement in that regard for more than double the money!

[@pannan80]

That green color is beautiful

[@Kenamicis]

I just got this today. This really can’t take my eyes off it

[@Trilogysworld]

Longines is an amazing watch company with a lot of heritage even older than Rolex I think they should be up there pretty soon btw just got a longines spirit in 37m

[@EscapementWatch]

Great pick up. They were higher then rolex in the first half of the 20th century. Went down as Rolex and Omega rose up. But Longines is coming back for sure. probably going to be a side upgrade on equal footing with Omega

[@zachg9065]

Man this is great however I wish it was around 39-40mm and way thinner with a smaller lug to lug.

[@sktfan3843]

Saw this last year, cant stop looking at it amazing beautiful. Sad thing is i saw the Tudor reverse panda which i bought before i saw this it in actual.

[@algorithm007ify]

AR coating on the top really does help with visibility....double edged sword

[@EscapementWatch]

Yes for a double domed sapphire it is game changing clarity!

[@TheNextMarx]

I’ve got the spirit in 40mm. Love it.

[@AmcoAutoGlass]

what a watch! excellent video brother!

[@jhrodriguez08]

These watches have a column wheel but the clutch is lateral…., same for the bigeye, master collection chronos with valjoux mod movements

[@EscapementWatch]

Did I say vertical clutch? oops! at what time stamp? I filmed this right after the seiko chrono with vertical clutch and column wheel.

[@jhrodriguez08]

@@EscapementWatch I’m pretty sure you did 😂

[@jhrodriguez08]

@@EscapementWatch you bet buddy, I believe the chronograph movements deserve a vídeo to guide us over when selecting a chronograph , like having a speedy moonwatch, a valjoux 7750 , seiko 8R48 , etc. and comparing them

[@EscapementWatch]

The big eye has a vertical clutch modified in there and a tell is that the minute hand smoothly sweeps to the next minute. That usually means vertical. That is the L688 movement but I believe L688.2. This one is L688.4 maybe they went back to horizontal. These modified Valjoux's 7750 and 7753 are confusing and they keep updating them! I think I was right it is vertical modified valjoux. When I review the new Hamilton chrono pioneer you will see the minute hand JUMP instead of glide in a macro I will make and that is horizontal clutch! Seems like all online publications are SPLIT on this issue and only LONGINES can confirm. I'm going to stick with vertical clutch because of how the minute subdial moves until Longines says otherwise.

[@alanrogers6885]

Longines is using the caliber L688.4 in the Spirit chronograph, which is based on the ETA A08.L01. This is an automatic movement, complete with column wheel and vertical clutch operation for the chronograph. It was developed for Longines, but is also used by Omega (who proceeds to fit the movement with a co-axial escapement).

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

Chronographs used to be pretty thin in the 60s and 70's. What happened even though alot of those great Chronographs were manual wind from the 60s but dam today they are so thick. I do like Longines left the date 📅 out without trying to squeeze it in somewhere.

[@EscapementWatch]

I have a mechanical chrono coming on the channel soon Hamilton. It is 14mm but has a 2-3mm dome sapphire.

[@KostaPendarovski]

so fatal flow is the ar coating above the saphire chrystal or i did not get what was the fatal flow?

[@EscapementWatch]

Yes the AR coating

[@TheGoldenMetal]

I had a Longines spirit in my mind as a dream watch and I was saving to buy it. Now thanks to your video I discovered that the AR coating on the outer part can leave marks of scratches. I don't understand why put coating on the outside part of the crystal that just defeats the whole point of the sapphire.

[@marker20]

Lots of watches have AR coating on the outside. Sure, it can scratch but that's if you are really not careful with your watches.

[@shazadirani]

What's a watch without a few scratches ?

[@unclejack168]

You can just have your trusted watchmaker polish it off if you don't like it(relatively easy).

[@davidwarburton8890]

Oh jeez, this is real cool.

[@jameshoward9700]

Very nice. I 'd say you'd be better off going for this if you needed the watch for sports - waterproof etc, the BigEye, more everyday/smart. Not so many fully waterproof, lumed, ti, vintage styled chrono out there! I really like how vintage the watch looks and the green lume takes me back to the early days of lume, which was rarely white. I've owned the BigEye and it was great, but I'd certainly consider this... if it was a bit smaller - those long Longines lugs! But, this is virtually IWC quality and for me, better looking.

[@russellculverwell7056]

Hi. What’s the problem with the scratching and can it be overcome?

[@EscapementWatch]

Yes the top layer anti-reflective coating can be removed. Or during your first service login will just replace the crystal

[@startupbusinesscoaching]

Great video. Subscribed!

[@EscapementWatch]

Welcome!

[@anthonystevens8683]

I'm probably a minority here but I prefer the BigEye but in steel. With the black dial it's for me anyway one of the most easily readable at a glance chronographs that I've seen but granted 'might' not look as classy as the petrol blue fume dial of the titanium version. Yes it's heavy compared to the titanium and arguably harder to find (well it was when I was hunting one down anyway a long while back) but that is my preference. I'll not go into the lateral v vertical clutch argument as I've yet to find a definitive answer. I might be wrong but a further modified version of this Valjoux 7753 base movement was used by Omega in the 3330 calibre changing the escapement to coaxial. Anyway I really like the Spirit collection a lot, for a COSC certified movement at a decent price by a manufacturer with heritage. Great review FT!

[@EscapementWatch]

Yes the black bigeye is so good. A titanium black dial version would be cool to see! But as for the movement I will stick with vertical clutch because of the way the minute hand changes smoothly instead of ticking over which usually indicates vertical vs horizontal. I will be reviewing a hammy chrono soon with horizontal and I will macro the minute change super super macro to see the minute snap over. This is not concrete but until Longines officially states otherwise.

[@anthonystevens8683]

@@EscapementWatch Lateral or vertical clutch it's still a great movement in a great watch. A black dial titanium version would be interesting.

[@Me-pz5by]

Finally something not so vintage 👏👏👏

[@LS-zq3td]

Great video!!

[@EscapementWatch]

Thanks for the visit

[@TurboTigerDK1]

So what was this “Fatal flaw” as seen in the thumbnail?

[@EscapementWatch]

the thickness

[@nemlol]

Has anybody put the titanium bracelet from the no date spirit on this? Also this watch has an L688 movement in it and so it doesn't have a vertical clutch it uses an oscillating pinion.

[@adik8131]

Longgreenes

[@paulkim409]

Can I ask you what your wrist size is? Seems like you are just able to pull it off. I have a small wrist and am debating whether to pull the trigger on this one.

[@EscapementWatch]

I put the wrist size on every wrist shot on the top left or right hand corner. Did I miss it this time? Anyways, if I forgot 6.5in

[@paulkim409]

Thank you

[@RomelynDivinagracia-xl6ri]

Wow

[@danielduncan2883]

Tried the big eye. Looked too small and not as easy to read. I took this home. Much better

[@JinKee]

So what was the Fatal Flaw in the thumbnail??

[@EscapementWatch]

the thickness!

[@gunnarguggs2725]

Silicon, not Silicone?

[@markstarmer3677]

Beautiful watch no doubt. Like you stated, very thick, and at 42mm is possibly too large for my 7.25 inch wrist. I’m actually going for the titanium sprit (non chronograph) 40mm. Both superb looking watches, but the sprit would wear better for me, Decent factual video by the way.

[@EscapementWatch]

We did review the 40mm spirit in amazing army green! Check out that review to see how it wears on my wrist. I was so close in buying it.

[@markstarmer3677]

@@EscapementWatch just a catch up. I did actually buy the Titanium ‘big eye’ in the end. Right choice I believe.

[@bpstationerybpstationery3667]

❤❤❤

[@AnitaSpankyBB]

Very nice looking watch but that's a big boi!!!

[@whodeycinbengals]

I would seriously be hunting this watch if it weren’t so large in size. Great looking piece otherwise

[@ProfessorPesca]

What a shame, I absolutely adore this luminous green colour but wow that is seriously thick.

[@theaussiewhinger]

Great review. I also prefer the Big Eye though this is pretty compelling if the style appeals more to a prospective buyer. Pretty fair critique. Refreshing to hear reasonable reviews unlike the popular trend to simply find reasons to justify not buy a watch. E.g. expecting a 34mm diameter, chronograph, 6mm thick, in house 5hz 0s/day accuracy movement, self-adjust bracelet, all for $500.🤣

[@EscapementWatch]

Ahahahahha

[@Sumerdini]

Excellent watch. Gorgeous 💕💥 But too big & unwearable... We need 39mm chronograph watches...

[@contralt2374]

3900 usd 😱😱😱

[@EscapementWatch]

Yep!!! When you do the conversion rate with the canadian price its only $3600USD but on the longines site its 3900usd! www.longines.com/en-us/watch-longines-spirit-l3-829-1-53-2 usually the prices are closer to the converted prices.

[@MeestroDavid]

@@EscapementWatch And people complained about the cost of the Seiko Speedtimer at $400 less than this Longines?

[@EscapementWatch]

Yeah and they complained about how thick it is at 15mm! and this is thicker lol

[@smokinscars1024]

Looks interesting, but the price is too high for Longines. I love it seen at my local dealership, I'm still considering for next year purchase

[@ericgrace9995]

For Longines ? Would you be happier if they made this exact watch, stuck an Omega badge on it and charged you an extra $1000 ?

[@smokinscars1024]

@ericgrace9995 omega has its quality. I already made my choice, in taking omega seamaster aqua terra, the longines was great, but it is too thick 15 mm, I loved the dial, but after trying it on for the last time I felt it to bulky on my wrist, only if the reduced the thickness, I had such love for spirit green edition

[@jdupuis4829]

16.5 mm…Jesus.. what were they thinking…

[@Nefville]

Read this comment before you watch this video before you buy that Longines. OK, good review.

[@UltraDoug]

Not thicccc enough. I prefer my watches at 27mm thiccccccc. If I can put it on and still walk, I’m not happy. I want my wrist to ache after 5minutes. There has to be a threat of wrist bones breaking before I buy. 😐

[@rickjason215]

A little too thick, but a nice watch. The Valjoux wobbles, but it is been out for decades and is a solid movement. I would bargain, when purchasing. I would need at least a $500 discount. I like a date and anti reflective coating on top is going to cause problems and is a deal breaker.

[@EscapementWatch]

Thanks for sharing! email me if you need a discount code!

[@emreisiklar]

Longines have nice designs but always waaaayyy to big that ruins the watch!

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Too expensive for that watch…. Its lovely. It just cost a bit much.

[@EscapementWatch]

Totally agree

[@TheCdM1981]

Oris and Seiko color way is not even similar. Theres is like a “Tiffany blue” and Longines is like neon green. And I mean $3900 is “a little high” for Longines maybe 3 years ago but most of their new watches today all start at around $3k. From the Ultra-Chron, to the Zulu time to the record chronograph and now the Pioneer. I’ve never heard one person complain about “AR coating” on the top. Pretty much every Breitling has “AR coating” on the top and bottom. I have 4 Breitling’s not one has scratched on the top coating of the sapphire.

[@EscapementWatch]

You can search "top ar coating scratched" on omega forums or general watch forums and you will see complaints. AR coating is as strong as a basic mineral crystal in scratch resistance. So worse then Hardlex Seiko's proprietary hardened mineral. And I know seikos and oris's look much different but its the same idea or concept of always 'ON'! FLAME ON!

[@uansari1]

The L688.x does NOT have a vertical clutch…it’s a lateral clutch.

[@enriquehidalgo630]

It is all nice, but we need one with either the 13zn or the 30ch movements.

[@markotoole7937]

If this wasn't disgustingly thick I'd actually consider buying it! Terrible decision, 16.5, wtf lol.

[@alteregoestamicus]

As far as I know (I contacted Longines Germany), this watch „sadly“ only has horizontal clutch and not a vertical… :/

[@TheNextMarx]

Jesus that is huge. Too tick 🥵

[@saudade369]

Sorry but I just get irritated and distracted by the stuttering …..o…ver …. Emph…-asis…..on….the…. space….be…tween,,,,,,the….words… but the….com..pu..ter…..voice