WATCH: Theistic Determinism Indicts God | Leighton Flowers | Calvinism | Theodore Zachariades

Perhaps the greatest example of how theistic determinism indicts God's character is the unfathomable debate opening by Theodore Zachariades. As we've said many times, some ideas don't need to be refuted, they must only be presented clearly.
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[@thomasfryxelius5526]

This is what calvinism can do to a person believing it.

[@roddyk2655]

For real... it's run him insane...

[@jonnyw82]

I remember RC Sproul telling a story about an ailing (Calvinist) father he knew that wrote in his inheritance letter to his children that he hopes they will become Christian’s so when they die and go to hell he doesn’t have to rejoice at the site of them being eternally tormented. RC used this as a positive example of a pious Calvinist! Aside from its grotesque nature once again it shows how Calvinists can’t avoid presupposing free will bc as any good Calvinist know the fathers kids can’t “choose” to become Christian’s unless they are decreed by God to do so.

[@melissaschubert1653]

Yikes!

[@thomasfryxelius5526]

@@jonnyw82 That´s horrible! Imagine thinking that we would be happy or rejoice about our own children being lost. Scripture says God will dry our tears, not that we will not cry.

[@TheCableStrain]

@@jonnyw82 I am very much against the teachings of Calvinism and the way they distort God's character, distort the responsibility of mankind, among other things. Of course we know God commands mankind repent and they are able to but many refuse. I would only respectfully say, while the Scriptural passages of eternal punishment may be difficult for some, they are there (they exist). As well, are many passages which communicate the righteous rejoicing at the punishment of the wicked. So, if you are repulsed by those things, I'm not sure why (surely you've seen these type of passages in your Bible).

[@67MercuryXR7]

Truly terrifying! I couldn’t imagine my wife and children sitting under this guy’s “teaching”. Honestly it felt like some sort of evil theater performance. Ever since I left calvinism all I’ve seen is the sheer beauty of Jesus and the joy of my salvation! I’m so grateful that God is truly sovereign and rescued me from this stuff!

[@charliedontsurf334]

Just remember you were predestined to not buy into Calvinism.

[@Deanna974]

I totally understand that feeling of having the joy of your salvation restored. For me, the implications of Calvinism/Reformed teachings destroyed my prayer life, which would have destroyed my faith. I didn't think it was worth praying, it was pointless to pray, because crying out to God wasn't going to change anything anyway.

[@gene4231]

Your description is exactly right.

[@Colossians2Ministries]

He did give off villain vibes. Hopefully he learned from the backlash this debate caused.

[@elteacher6410]

@@Colossians2MinistriesHe will learn nothing from this, unless he recants calvinism. In his calvinistic mind he's convinced that God predestined to be exactly like this, and that God determined for him to say those things exactly the way he said them.

[@JewandGreek]

"You just don't understand Calvinism." 🤓

[@dw6528]

DW: YES! But if one can understand DOUBLE-SPEAK - then one can understand Calvinism. :-]

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

You mean it's even worse than I thought? 😳

[@roddyk2655]

@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 😂

[@roddyk2655]

Hey Rod, I bet you $10 this guy (who's standing up there shouting his ultra pious catch phrases at everyone) thinks that Pentecostals and Charismatics are too emotional... 🤣

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@roddyk2655 🤣 and will swear up n down not even one of them are saved I bet ! 🤣

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

Calvinism when you strip away the rhetoric.

[@brianjones7660]

and the necessary bed rest and antibiotics....

[@petermui5329]

In conclusion, Calvinism drives men crazy. Contradicting doctrines, a holy, loving, just God discrees men to do all the evil things that He explicitly forbids them to do.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Crazy ? Freaking insane !

[@Alan-hw1np]

Lamentations 3 37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? 38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? 39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

[@petermui5329]

@@Alan-hw1np It said God brings punishment (bad things) to whoever sin. Or you want to say God decree moral evil?

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@Alan-hw1np Evil equaling punishment and good equaling blessings . Not evil equaling sin as calvinism claims. Not good equaling GOD damning most of mankind to hell before they're even born with no choice to believe in HIM, while choosing a few for salvation against their will, like in universalism. Remember, in calvinism everyone hates GOD and HIS gospel until they're irresistibly made to love it .

[@Alan-hw1np]

@@petermui5329 God commanded Babylon to carry away Israel but not before killing the young and old (Jer 6:11, Lam 2:21) and raping (Lam 5:11). God commanded murder and rape as part of Israel's punishment!

[@cm2019]

"Let no man say when he is tempted, 'I am being tempted by God.' Let him say instead 'My sin has been decreed by God.' " James something something, according to somebody somewhere. Sorry, not trying to be flippant, but this sort of attack on God's character from within the church is heartbreaking.

[@rebekahearly1144]

Absolutely! Just horrendous.

[@johngraves9237]

That did crack me up!

[@bradleyperry1735]

I wouldn’t say this comes from within the church.

[@cm2019]

@@bradleyperry1735 I have never heard of this gentleman before, and I sincerely hope he is part of the church. Perhaps I should have been more specific in my original comment. What I meant was that whether or not he is OF the church, he is apparently IN it in some capacity.

[@Drspeiser]

​@@bradleyperry1735It comes from Hell

[@neosporran]

Wow. What a rational, emotionally stable person. A perfect spokesperson for Reformed Theology.

[@Breakdowns04]

Even James White wasn’t happy with how this debate went down.

[@neosporran]

@@Breakdowns04 Yes, White knows that straw men are best slain with a subdued monotone. Screaming doesn't help.

[@johnbreitmeier3268]

@@neosporran This is typical Calvinistic bullying style - think Jonathan Edwards and "Sinners in the hands of an Angry God." This is evil in human form with the intellect of a field mouse, a retarded field mouse that is.

[@briancross9571]

@@Breakdowns04 It was ordained to "go down" this way, right?

[@ManuGeorge777]

@@briancross9571 😃

[@johnsteele870]

John Mcarthur, in a sermon entitled "why I love the church" said the reason we pray they kingdom come is that only the church can do Gods will. Yet they believe God ordains everything, so his will has never not been done! These people have serious issues.

[@dw6528]

DW: Very well stated!! Yes - the more one learns about the underlying doctrine - the more one recognizes the degree to which Calvinists are in a constant state of denial of their own doctrine. Calvinism conditions the brain into a state of DOUBLE-MINDEDNESS. And that is why Calvinist language - many years ago - evolved into a language of DOUBLE-SPEAK.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

If they were consistent, they would have to claim everything is still good in the garden of eden .

[@rileyneufeld7001]

I find it interesting he said that as Calvinists usually, like in this video, will state that God uses EVERYTHING for his will. The good AND the bad. Even the most vile of sin like rape, adultery, murder. This is not the gospel! There is NO evil within him (Psalms 92:15) Evil cannot even enter his mind! (Jeremiah 32:35)

[@dw6528]

@@rileyneufeld7001 DW: One of the things which makes Calvinism unique is the component of DUALISM. That DUALISM is a component of the ancient Gnosticism - in which "good" and "evil" are Co-Equal, Co-Complimentary, and Co-Necessary. Augustine -quote And because this orderly arrangement maintains the harmony of the universe by this very contrast, it comes about that *EVIL THINGS NEED BE* . In this way, the beauty of all things is in a manner configured, as it were, from *ANTITHESIS* that is, from opposites: this is pleasing to us even in discourse”. (ord 1.7.19) And Calvinist Jon Edwards - affirms this when he states that "Evil" is a *PART* of the divine glory - quote .... the shining forth of gods glory would be very imperfect, both because those *PARTS* of divine glory would not shine forth as the others do.... nay, they could scarcely shine forth at all” (The Works of President Edwards). Calvin's god is the divine potter of Romans 9 who creates the vast majority of his creatures specifically for eternal torment in a lake of fire - for his good pleasure. So Calvinism is a doctrine of "Good-Evil". Most Calvinists however try very hard to evade and obfuscate the components of divine malevolence and divine "Evil" within the doctrine. And Calvinists perform a lot of TAP-DANCE ROUTINES to try and paint their doctrine as benevolent when it isn't

[@jonnyw82]

They constantly presuppose free will and then argue against it. Insanity.

[@IlovetheTruth]

It seems to me Calvinism makes some men arrogant. If that is so, i wont blame God for it.

[@NikoFinn]

Amen! I'd have never become a christian if calvinism were true, and ironically enough if calvinism were true and God had decreed a man not to become saved in Christ then who in the ultimate sense decides? The man or God? God! And 1 Timothy 2 says God wills all to be saved. He offers salvation for all but only those who trust in Christ Jesus for eternal life will get it. Calvinism needs to die, Bible needs to be elevated So many logical contradictions in calvinism and yet calvinists shout the most about hermaneutics, exegesis, eisegesis, logic and intellect. They are in their man-made bubble and contradict themselves within their theological framework. For instance saying: "oh God decrees who will be saved and who will not and U of tulip describes it. Some predestined to hell, some to heaven before they were born, yet man has responsibility although God decrees all sinful and good actions of man". A contradiction. You cannot say I am a man and I am a woman. You are one or the other, and the same way you cannot have actual libertarian freedom of the will and responsibility if everything is predestined and decided before hand.

[@jefferypassagecpa9125]

Isn't it amazing that Calvinists have used their libertarian free will (which they deny) to become Calvinists?

[@bobbyadkins6983]

​@@jefferypassagecpa9125And that they get upset with non Calvinists whom they don't even believe have any free will to choose whether or not to be a Calvinist?

[@mikemcclellan7026]

Shout loud and have conviction..... you must be right. SMH

[@utah32804]

"A future free action is un-knowable", this gentleman has a kindergartner's concept of time. God exists outside of time. There is no future or past with God as we experience it.

[@jjphank]

And God is not the author of evil. Psych!! In the Bible, We have two Greek words for “time”: “chronos” and “kairos.” “Kairos” is the clock, but eternity is not a clock that keeps going; eternity is no clock at all. Yet there is in eternity “chronos” where we get the word “chronology.” It is an order of events, but they take place out of time, such as where it states in Revelation that the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8). John says in Revelation, “And then I saw…and then I saw…” but he speaks of future events in the past tense and past events in the present tense-there is no “kairos,” just “chronos.” There is an order of events which take place out of time. Time as a clock depends on the second heaven (outer space), on planetary motion.Strictly speaking there is a time and a clock that works by particle emissions. It does not work by planetary motion but it still has to be calibrated in nanoseconds; it still has to express its measurements by planetary motion. Even the one clock we have that does not have to work by planetary motion still has to be calibrated in terms of planetary motion. So when we read in Revelation or Zechariah that the “shamayim”-“sky” is rolled up, this means that eternity meets earth; time and space meet heaven because the “second heaven” is “rolled up.” And I know how such a man-whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows- Notice that he says this twice because it is a mystery; he did not even understand it when it happened to him. …was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. (2 Co. 12:3-4)

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

Proof at least some Calvinists have a far more limited view of God than the people they criticize.

[@jjphank]

@jasonr9678 you don’t include the Bible in your theology .. Second, Peter 1:10 election has to do with the ordaining of works in a believers life! You can fall from Grace Galatians 5:4 you can frustrate the grace of God Galatians 2, 3 verses in the Bible say your name can be blotted out of the book of life; Psalm 69:28, revelation 3:5, 22:19! Never receiving Jesus is not the only way to go to hell Says Matthew 7:21-23 ; verse 23 ‘away from me I never knew you’ does not apply to everybody, Jesus says this twice in verses 21 and 22! “Not everyone will say to me (on that day)……., yes many will say…..” If OSAS was true he would’ve said “everyone and all” instead of “not everyone and Many”! So not everyone will go to hell based on never knowing Jesus, and other verses will back this up as well! you can no longer use Matthew 7:23 to say they were never saved to begin with! Same with 2 Peter 2 “after knowing the Lord, they went back into their vomit as a dog; or back into the mud as a pig wallowing in the mud”. The word ‘knowing’ is the same word in Matthew 7:23, it’s ‘ginosko’ in the Greek- it’s a salvific relationship with Jesus! So you can lose your salvation, says this verse as well! 2 Peter 2:20 “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning!” THEY ARE ENTANGLED IN THE CORRUPTION OF THE WORLD…AGAIN- says this verse! Jude 12 - “twice dead”; Dead in sin, born again, dead again! And there’s many more; Revelation chapters 2 & 3 are full of ultimatums and all Jesus is focused on is our works! Revelation 2: 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place! Revelation 2:14 there are some among you….. 16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. These are just 2 and Jesus says “he who overcomes” , Overcomes is present active- future tense, and Jesus says this to all 7 churches, even the 2 good ones! You have to stay faithful to the end of your life to go to heaven! John 3:16 is he who believes, or continues to believe will have eternal life! it doesn’t say ‘believed’ past tense, you have to maintain your faith to go to heaven! The Greek word ‘believes’ is ‘Pistis’ which basically means faithfulness so faith equals faithfulness, according to the Bible! So if you have problems with this, then you have problems with the word of God, the Bible! You need to study these passages so that you can make it to heaven! If your pastor cannot answer these questions according to what I just said, then you need to leave that church!

[@YouTubehatesconservativespeech]

A future free action is only unknowable to us not God. Calvinism is trash.

[@TheCableStrain]

He was quoting someone else's position

[@trebmaster]

He preaches with the tone of a maniacal supervillain. I was waiting for diabolical laughter.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Sorry, no preordained laughter today. 😊

[@nostamp38]

Newman from Seinfeld.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

No worries, Marvel comics will latch onto this fella and you'll get him in action figurines too.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Yep !! Captain Blasphemy...

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Sorry, I repent. I laughed at that one. 😄

[@Telkor]

"Without me you can do nothing." True. But I'm never without Him.

[@Chupie77777]

Plus this comes with a command, "Abide in Me." Without Him, we can do nothing, so we ought to abide in Him, because if we don't, we won't do anything. Taking that verse out of context to support determinism

[@NikoFinn]

John 15 is about discipleship for christians, bearing fruit. No way it supports calvinism heresy

[@storba3860]

That still sounds like a pretty awful thing to say to a person. Not to mention it's a great way to breed complacency.

[@RR-ue4im]

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Then calvinists say GOD not only takes pleasure in the death of the wicked but creates them to be wicked with no choice to do otherwise so HE can take pleasure in the death of the wicked. Oh, and for HIS glory of all things. 😐

[@benacker1983]

Amen!

[@innovationhq8230]

God delights in destroying people. Deuteronomy 28:63 “It shall come about that as the LORD delighted over you to prosper you, and multiply you, so the LORD will delight over you to make you perish and destroy you; and you will be torn from the land where you are entering to possess it.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

​@@innovationhq8230His love, mercy, and grace runs out for His enemies. He much rather save someone than condemn them. But He doesn't force anyone to accept His love, mercy, and grace.

[@RR-ue4im]

@@innovationhq8230 Thst was judgment an consequence of sin .

[@iAintSayDat]

How can people not see this as a free pass to do what you want and blame the Lord for it. I cannot for the life of me see how you can deny this.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

Calvinism is WORSE than Once Saved Always Saved doctrine. Because if you are not for ordained to be saved you can't be saved anyhow! And if you are ordained to be saved you cannot lose your salvation regardless of what you do. Very dangerous!

[@jonathanschubert9052]

I saw an atheist debater say that it's God's responsibility to irrefutably reveal Himself to him.

[@CalebPreach4245]

You are making a comment based on personal incredulity.

[@matthewtheron2505]

That comment was ordained by God according to Calvinism.@@CalebPreach4245

[@sharonlouise9759]

Well, there you have it. If you "yell" something loud enough it must be true!

[@r.rodriguez4991]

These are the only people who feel better about themselves by talking about how bad "we" are.

[@dw6528]

DW: Yes! Obviously the kind of personalities that find Calvinism attractive are personalities who have a need to perceive themselves superior to others. However - the irony about that is - that per the doctrine - Calvin's god creates a majority of believers specifically as CHAFF believers - whom he supernaturally deceives - giving them a FALSE SENSE of salvation. These Calvinists are designed to go through their whole life - having a constant stream of FALSE PERCEPTIONS of Jesus as their savior - and FALSE PERCEPTIONS of being elect. And because those FALSE PERCEPTIONS are established by infallible decree - it is humanly impossible for them to discern the fact that they are actually TOTALLY DEPRAVED persons who have no discernment - and thus cannot discern their DEPRAVITY. John Calvin explains -quote The Lord....instills into their minds such a *SENSE* …..as can be felt *WITHOUT* the Spirit of adoption. (Institutes 3.2.11) He illumines them *ONLY FOR A TIME* to partake of it; then he....strikes them with even greater blindness (Institutes 3.24.8)

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

​@@dw6528narcissists .

[@canadiankewldude]

@@dw6528 *_God Bless_*

[@dw6528]

@@canadiankewldude DW: Thank you! And God bless you also - as He does in His wonderful ways! :-]

[@NikoFinn]

You know... I believe it is self-righteousness. If you have believed in Christ Jesus for eternal life and salvation from hellfire then you ARE righteous positionally. Romans 5:1, 4:1-6 prove it. If you still insist on landing on how sinful we are and not elevating Christ as our hope and righteousness, then it just tells me about unbelief and you pointing to yourself. Even the P of tulip or lordship salvatuon is heresy. You think your, calvinist's, works prove your righteousness before God? What an arrogance and pompousness. As Piper said in his lies: "final glory is achieved via works". Works have 0% to do with our salvation to glory, all about Jesus and what He did for us. Thus I avoid especially calvinist pastors because of their self-righteous heretical view of tulip and calvinistic false view of rulership of God and will of man Now we born again christians are saints, not sinners positionally, we sin but our identity, standing before God is saints, forgiven, redeemed, righteous, saved, children of God, and our works must NEVER get into that standing. It is not Jesus's work for us PLUS our works of any kind to be saved, stay saved, prove we are saved etc

[@reinemacherfrau]

That'll go well in a marriage counselling session.

[@TheCableStrain]

😆😆😂

[@KadeStro90]

💀💀

[@samanthalayton2978]

Theodore Zachariades is over-the-top and seems to be quite proud of himself. I guess if a person expresses themselves the way he does, then whatever he says must be right. Wow.

[@JimiSurvivor]

The mystery of theodicy is solved. God ordain adultery murder torture child rape idolatry blasphemy even rebellion against his own person. If these be the works of God what is left for the Devil to do?

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

​@JimiSurvivor Don't forget I'm sure he believes GOD ordained satan worship and canaanites burning their children for baal .

[@kristoferevins5790]

"A house divided against itself can not stand," yet reformed theology puts God as playing both sides of the board.

[@Dilley_G45]

​@@JimiSurvivoramen

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@kristoferevins5790 Actually calvinism has satan's desires assigned to GOD , so it's actually one side in the calvinist view . GOD'S side full of both evil and good . How utterly blasphemous.

[@peterfox7663]

5:50 "I did not let you touch her" Hmm...saying God keeps someone from actualizing the sin they wanted to commit seems a far cry from proving God makes a person commit sin and proving that a person doesn't have free will.

[@jjphank]

Titus 2:11 the grace of God has appeared to all men…. So all men can be saved, first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9

[@dw6528]

DW: In Calvinism - the only way that person could "touch her" is if Calvin's god decreed that to happen. In such case - that person would not be granted any ALTERNATIVE - because that decree cannot be countervailed. So in Calvinism - when Calvin's god says "I did not let" [X] happen - its simply means - he chose not to decree [X] to happen. But since [X] could not happen without him decreeing it - it follows - [X] was never going to happen anyway. The whole idea of Calvin's god PREVENTING an event from coming to pass - or PREVENTING a person from doing something - is a total contradiction to their own doctrine.

[@_jwh_7832]

Also, that story was part of God's promise to build a heritage for Abraham and Sarah from their own flesh, specifically for the 'seed' motif, meaning God prevented his promise and Abraham's seed from being tainted.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Of course, he interpreted it backward . He's a calvinist who also believes man's free will can thwart GOD .

[@jjphank]

@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Prayer can change Gods mind! Don’t you know, haven’t you read the Bible?

[@shawnlusby1538]

This is the perfect example of building a strawman to tear down. Nobody thinks, at least Nobody that is reasonable, thinks that man 👨 can thrawt God's will. What we are saying is that God will enact His will in spite of our free will. Whether we go along with Him or not, His will will be enacted. If anything, it makes God even more powerful that He can work through beings with their own free will

[@dw6528]

DW: Yes! Additionally - for a Calvinist to assert that man can thwart Calvin's god - is to assert a fallible creature has the power to thwart an infallible decree. Calvinists are obviously too brain-dead to be logically consistent with their own doctrine! The whole argument from a Calvinist's stand point is complete DOUBLE-SPEAK. John Calvin -quote The creatures...are so governed by the secret counsel of god, that *NOTHING HAPPENS* but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed. (Institutes 1. 16. 3) Since in Calvinism *NOTHING* is permitted to happen within creation - unless it is knowingly and willingly decreed - it follows - no impulse can come to pass within a human brain unless Calvin's god knowingly and willingly decreed that impulse. In such case - there is no such thing as an impulse within the human brain that is *UP TO* or under the control of that human. For the Calvinist the very idea that anything within creation can thwart that which is decreed to come to pass infallibly is blatant DOUBLE-MINDEDNESS

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

It's just the same old calvinist free will strawman garbage . Their whole system depends on tearing others down while 90% of the time they're completely misrepresenting the ones that disagree with them .

[@charliedontsurf334]

There is a difference in us being unable to preserve this world or to not sin in this life and being able to choose the pretty freaking awesome deal the Lord is offering.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

Free will absolutely ADDS to God's power! If God controlled everyone and forced some to love him that is NOT love! God allowing us to choose between him and Satan. Light or darkness. All while also forcing some to fall away is again, NOT a loving God. Calvinists are on a fine line between damnable and flammable heresy with this doctrine. I pray they keep their focus on Jesus.

[@dw6528]

@@rileyneufeld7001 DW: When you think about Calvin's doctrine - you realize there is no such thing as a human being granted a choice in the matter of anything. A necessary condition for a CHOICE is the existence and thus availability of more than one option - in order to constitute what is understood as a CHOICE. In Calvinism every impulse that comes to pass within the human brain is 100% meticulously predestined - and cannot possibly be other than what it was decreed to infallibly be. An infallible decree does not grant any ALTERNATIVE from that which it decrees. Therefore in Calvinism - ALTERNATIVES do not exist within creation. In such case ALTERNATIVES do not exist for humans to choose. Adam did not have a choice between [EAT] and [NOT EAT] because the option to [NOT EAT] would have been contrary to the decreed. And therefore did not exist as an ALTERNATIVE available to Adam. Additionally - only one single impulse could be granted existence within Adam's brain. The impulse to [EAT] would have had to have been decreed in order for it to come to pass. And NO ALTERNATIVE impulse would be granted existence within Adam's brain - because an infallible decree does not grant existence to any ALTERNATIVE from that which it decrees. Consequently - there is really no such thing as a human having a CHOICE in the matter of anything in Calvinism.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

What's really crazy and sad as well is that there was a whole crowd of people sitting there agreeing wholeheartedly with him .

[@-the_dark_knight]

I was there, and that was not the case. Most of us were taken aback, wondering if this guy was joking or off his meds.

[@truthseeker5698]

Group think at any cost.

[@godsstruggler8783]

The opening 30 seconds tells me that we are dealing with a man angry at what he believes about God.

[@dw6528]

BINGO! Very insightful!!!

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

If he's not , he should be !

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Indignatious brow beating works on some people.

[@dw6528]

@@chickintruth DW: His brain made a LIBERTARIAN CHOICE between TRUE and FALSE on the matter. And the conclusion his brain made from that LIBERTARIAN CHOICE - is that LIBERTARIAN CHOICE does not exist! :-D

[@BPond7]

This guy flat out said that God desires sin, and will force us to sin against him. He’s a false teacher, and is actively working to dismantle Christianity, and tarnish the glory of God.

[@utah32804]

He seems angry for some reason, quite emotional, losing his mind. You should always be careful listening to the un-hinged.

[@jjphank]

The manifestation of craziness! God let’s us see the inward Manifested outwardly sometimes! Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks!

[@johngraves9237]

@@jjphank Excellent quoting of scripture, spot on!!!!

[@dw6528]

DW: Since in Calvinism - nothing can happen unless Calvin's god knowingly and willingly decreed it - and an infallible decree does not grant any ALTERNATIVE from what it decrees - then Calvin's god must have decreed impulses of anger and yelling to infallibly come to pass within his brain. And that decree did not grant any ALTERNATIVE impulses to come to pass within his brain. :-]

[@chickintruth]

I could be wrong, but i don't think unhinged is one of the Holy Spirit fruits.

[@dw6528]

@@chickintruth DW: Good one! 😀 DOUBLE-MINDED unhingedness! Its a new term for Calvinism :-]

[@robertdeuel4332]

The sad part this is where consistent Calvinism leads. This why they appeal to mystery so much. It is a buffer from going to this extreme.

[@joseloayza4825]

Behold, the perfect excuse for cheaters and adulterers worldwide! LOL

[@SergeantJackHarris]

Holy cow. The only good thing I can say about that is that perhaps it turned some people away from Calvinism.

[@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb]

😆good point

[@bobbyadkins6983]

I just hope it doesn't turn anyone away from God! It was like listening to Satan himself!

[@Solideogloria00]

This guy is nuts lol 😂

[@katierucker2870]

You’re being too kind 😂😂😂

[@rebekahearly1144]

So God wills people to sin against Him? Sorry, what?

[@lessofme53]

God incited King David to commit a sin in 2 Samuel.

[@dw6528]

DW: When you really unpackage the doctrine you find it entails the divine deception of both the believer and the NON-believer. For example - Calvinism's doctrine of decrees stipulates that every FALSE PERCEPTION of scripture which comes to pass within a Jehovah's Witness brain - was *FIXED* by infallible decree - and cannot be otherwise. Every FALSE PERCEPTION of scripture within the mind of the Mormon and the Catholic etc...etc... are exactly what Calvin's god decreed - and no ALTERNATIVE is granted existence from that which is decreed. Additionally - every FALSE PERCEPTION of salvation - which Calvin's god decrees to come to pass within a certain percentage of Calvinist brains are also *FIXED* by infallible decree. Consequently - no Calvinist has any way of knowing if the PERCEPTIONS of salvation within his brain are not FALSE PERCEPTIONS. So Calvin's god no only wills people to sin - he wills Calvinist believers to be deceived. But you will not find a Calvinist who will acknowledge that! :-]

[@awesomefacepalm]

Oh, don't question it! That's heresy!

[@awesomefacepalm]

​​@@lessofme53James 1:13 shows that it is not really that straight forward

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

​@@awesomefacepalmDid you mean a different chapter? There is no 13th chapter of James.

[@grahck4391]

How convenient is it that "all" meant "all" in the precise passage in which he needed it to mean "all"!?

[@EricLucero]

6:53 "You don't know this God of scripture because YOU CHOOSE the texts that YOU SEEK to follow." Calvinism refutes itself every single time.

[@KadeStro90]

I didn’t even notice that! Great point!

[@mikem3789]

Who would give this guy a platform? Amazing….

[@sheilasmith7779]

mikem3789: Followers of this preacher are likely persuaded by his passion, his certainty, his loud voice. Humans are attracted to what they believe is strength. Sadly. Substance matters more than style of delivery.

[@huntsman528]

This part of the debate massively triggered my wife who wasn't even listening. Lol, was like "WHAT???"

[@krazzykracker2564]

This guy was channeling Calvin. Really nailed the mad rambling and murderous heart Calvin had.

[@alicegriffin8545]

Way back in Joshua 24, when Joshua was approaching the end of his life, he reminded the children of Israel of all that God had done for them and challenged them to choose whether to serve Him or the gods of the land where they were to settle. If they had that choice, it doesn't seem reasonable that people nowadays would not.

[@charlesbrown8117]

Bro seriously thinks he's out here single-handedly destroying heresy 😂

[@JasonJrake]

This guy self-refutes Calvinism. He’s clearly one giant rogue molecule.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

He does not know the Bible....if man can't thwart the will of God then what's He crying about? Isaiah 63: 10 But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them. Jeremiah 9:1-3 Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people! Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men. And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the Lord. Jer 9:10 For the mountains will I take up a weeping and wailing, and for the habitations of the wilderness a lamentation, because they are burned up, so that none can pass through them; neither can men hear the voice of the cattle; both the fowl of the heavens and the beast are fled; they are gone.

[@lalaland962]

If I HAD to listen to this man, I'd lose my mind! What on earth?

[@mattgates1925]

That ending though 😂😂😂

[@keithcoleman6085]

I am surprised that Jesus was "amazed" or "astonished' about the centurion who had faith that Jesus could say the word and his servant would be healed. Why would this be if he determined it to happen?

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Life events are smoke and mirrors at a carnival show. Don't look behind the curtain now. 🧐

[@palabraviva5840]

If calvanisim is true they should be the most humble people on the planet but most Calvinist’s to me seem pretty prideful.

[@mikem3789]

If you look up ‘unhinged’ in the dictionary, you will see this guy’s photo.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Yuck yuck yuck ..😅

[@tonteurlings2064]

"You cannot have free will and have God know everything at the same time! Because by definition a futere free action is unknowable." Hahaha Theodore, you're not as smart as you think you are. God is ALL knowing remember! "Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, o Lord, You know it." -Psalm 139:4

[@David24476]

Imagine if his wife commits adultery. It would be interesting to know how he would process that.

[@KadeStro90]

💀💀 it would be interesting for sure

[@AlexanderosD]

Yeah . . . that's not a good look. 😂 He's got a serious cranky issue with libertarian free-will. Why are your feathers so ruffled if it's so obviously not an issue? "A fool gives full vent to his heart. He makes his vexation known at once..." Guy should absolutely not be teaching in the church.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Constipation and Diarrhea at the same time isn't a good look from the pulpit. Who said that? 🤷

[@KISStheSON...]

Leighton, thank you so much for your longsuffering and endurance...this topic is so emotionally draining, praise God for all those who pray for you to keep the strength to keep fighting for the truth of who God is. The choice you make to WALK in the Spirit so as to not fulfill the lust of the flesh is admirable and encouraging...the flesh desires to become quick to anger and lash out at such ignorance, but the wisdom that is fed by those who WALK in the Spirit is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. I love you, brother Leighton 💌

[@sery1965]

I am sorry for you my good fellow, but Dr. Leighton is predestined for this events.😂

[@KISStheSON...]

@@sery1965 Why be sorry that Leighton was predestined IN Christ UNTO good works?!!! He wasn't IN Christ until after He was fully persuaded to believe that Christ was risen and at that time He was predestined unto good works that he should WALK in. He has the choice to WALK or SIT...He chooses to walk 🦾

[@Steve-og4ii]

Yes,I agree with the " emotionally draining " part! I find myself getting angry every time I hear what Calvinism is really about! I have to take a break from it now and then!

[@KISStheSON...]

@@Steve-og4ii Amen ❤

[@merrifoht8643]

It grieves me to hear God's character being so misrepresented. Very haughty.... Very sad.

[@domblack6288]

This man seems genuinely angry. He uses straw man arguments against his opponents with zero respect given to them. He contradicts himself by saying that we have no free will, then saying that we choose not to accept what scripture says.

[@RR-ue4im]

I hear alot of Calvinist say to the glory of God . He send people to hell . That’s not Gods Nature ! Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.

[@JD10503]

Well, then it begs the question. If God is sovereign and says He wants it one way, why then doesn't He have it? If He is all-powerful-and He is-why aren't all elected to salvation? I find free will a poor excuse because there is no such thing.

[@rocketmanshawn]

Ludicrously Ironic statement; the calvinist and the universalist both present similar false dilemmas.

[@mugabedavid4845]

​@@JD10503are you saying GOD elected some people for salvation ??

[@JD10503]

​@@mugabedavid4845Yes, I'm saying that.

[@jjphank]

@@JD10503 God is sovereign enough to give free will to humans and animals alike. I guess my view of sovereignty, Trumps your Limited view of God of the robots!

[@ryanhoward8694]

“You don’t know this God of Scripture because you CHOOSE the texts that you seek to follow.”-A person attempting to prove that man doesn’t possess libertarian free will Teddy, my boy, Imma need you to say that again, slowly, and reeeeeeeally think about it.

[@KadeStro90]

The contradiction is so clear! I wonder if any of his opponents noticed that.

[@ryanhoward8694]

@@KadeStro90 Oh, I’m sure Leighton and Johnathan wanted SO badly to point that out, but they couldn’t tackle every single crazy thing that Theodore and Sonny said because there wasn’t enough time. Also, T&S talked over them 90% of the time when they were attempting to answer a question or articulate a point.

[@KadeStro90]

@@ryanhoward8694 dang, that sucks!

[@jaym7389]

Have heard it all now! 😵‍💫 And why is he so angry as if shouting will make his point valid??

[@dw6528]

DW: According to the doctrine - he is angry because Calvin's god decree anger impulses and yelling impulses to infallibly come to pass within his brain. And in Calvinism all human functionality is irresistible - because it is humanly impossible to resist that which comes to pass infallibly by infallible decree.

[@peterfox7663]

When the facts are on your side, you pound the facts. When logic is on your side, you pound the logic. When neither, you pound the table.

[@LieutenantSandcastle]

I used to believe that since God knows everything that will happen, men have no free will. But as I considered this further, I realized that God's knowing in advance what I would choose to do does not CAUSE me to make my choice. I know it sounds correct to say I CAN'T choose otherwise but to be fair it is more correct to say I just didn't or wouldn't choose otherwise. It's not as spooky as some people make it out to be.

[@seanvann1747]

Excellent understanding 👏

[@alomax92]

Exactly...foreknowledge (because God is outside of time) does not necessitate determinism.

[@TAdler-ex8px]

Our perfect Father has given us, by His great love for us, free will. He could have controlled us completely because He’s omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, but in His divine wisdom He has freedom of choice.

[@Drspeiser]

Oh my, this dude has some spirits, but it's hard to say one is the Holy Spirit

[@dw6528]

A spirit of confusion for sure!!! Pretty much every other statement is a denial of his own doctrine - which he asserts is what the Bible teaches. Thus the Bible teaches the Calvinist to deny the Bible. And the underlying spirit behind that would in all probably be a spirit of confusion.

[@truthseeker5698]

He drinks bud light most likely.

[@johnsteele870]

I knew calvinists whose son committed adultery and left his wife and they basically said it was God's will.

[@jjphank]

Too sad; also, blood is thicker than water, so they’re probably defending their son because they’re not godly enough to do the right thing!

[@johnsteele870]

@@jjphank very sad. Yes blood is thicker than water, but this ideology is very destructive.

[@jjphank]

@@johnsteele870 blood should not be thicker than water nepotism, the opposite of it should happen when you say yes to Jesus. Jesus came to bring a sword. Mother will be against daughter, father vs his son, etc when some people don’t get saved it within the family! God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!

[@leenieledejo6849]

Much, much worse than unbelievers. Because it's DEMONIC 😢

[@alomax92]

Every so often, the lunacy roiling below the surface cannot be contained and comes bubbling up. I love how he exposes himself when referring to Ephesians 1 and saying that this is one place where "all" means "all" and then a few seconds later chides his opponents for choosing which texts they wish to follow. What a hypocrite...and purveyor of logical inconsistencies.

[@a.k.7840]

Honestly, what a fool Proff Z made of himself in his opening statement...

[@MrTylerhenry8]

The crazy part is yelling doesn’t make the argument any stronger.

[@UserName-vv5vs]

wow just wow. Calvinism's true form.

[@ninjason57]

This is why it’s better to keep asking questions for clarification so your opponent can dig their own grave.

[@LoganBaty]

I watch lunatics like this and wonder what sins they are concealing in their lives.

[@M-JACOY]

6:52 "You don't know this God of Scripture because YOU CHOOSE the text that you seek to follow." I appreciate the zeal but I wonder if Dr. Zachariades hears himself.

[@maximinotovar5798]

This guy pick up a bunch of calvinism demons.

[@m4641]

6:52 "you don't know this God of scripture because you CHOOSE the texts that you seek to follow."...if we don't have free will then this statement is baseless. God chooses the texts for us. The Calvinist always wants it both ways. To claim we don't have free will and then to blame us for our sinful choices...

[@jjphank]

Yeah, everything ever written down is pointless in the Bible, if Calvinism is true! Paul wished to be cut off for the nation of Israel -Romans 9:1-3 so he didn’t know about Calvinism either ; otherwise, why would he say that?

[@paulmonk6867]

Following his logic, God caused the offering of innocent babes to the Baals since he decrees all things. But what does God say? Jer 7:31-32 31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into My heart.

[@aaronhaskins9782]

Man thwarts God's will all the time, it's called Sin. Sin is thwarting God's will. God's will is for man to not sin, to not do evil.

[@storba3860]

But why? Why create humans with the capacity to sin and punish them for said sins?

[@officialDavidRees]

Under calvinism there is no such thing as sin or evil, there only "do". Allah wills it... No, man cannot thwart the plans of God. Though, in His desire for all to be saved and also wanting to give us a certain amount of autonomy taught throughout scripture, necessary to hold us accountable, for us to freely love Him who first loved us, and to respond to His merciful offer of salvation through grace in faithfully believing on the Lord Jesus.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Exactly ! Those created from the left shoulder are for hell . Those created from the right shoulder are for heaven . If an infant dies it go either to heaven or hell only allah knows . A calvinist describes YHWH almost exactly like a Muslim describes their allah. Did you know that the guy who influenced augustine, also influenced the writers of the quranic sources . The mannichean gnostic priest Manni . This is why the two doctrines are almost identical.

[@officialDavidRees]

@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 I didn't know that, but it sure makes sense. If Augustine left manichean gnosticism out of Christianity where it belonged, and also like he did with most of his earlier writings, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Oh how Satan loved that opportunity to confuse him after his fight with Pelagian but he was all too willing to let that pendulum swing so far in the other direction. Then Calvin after him, and now every other Calvinist today.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@officialDavidRees Yep ! Calvinist are getting more calvinisty as time goes on .

[@storba3860]

Sin must be defined though. If we define it as any action contrary to God's will then we have the problem of God having different orders to different people based on different times, places, and temperaments and if we define it as social ethics the Bible regularly has God commanding disobedience to social ethics.

[@mattyb496]

That was a perfectly executed straw man! Bravo 🎉.

[@peterfox7663]

👍 to mentioning at the beginning that this is a clip and what it is from

[@joshbohn2884]

Well, with this view, we might as well throw church discipline out of the window.....

[@jeanneanberglund531]

Trying to parse any logical argument is impossible with this guy. Wow.

[@a.k.7840]

Does this have the microphone blast in it? lol HAHAH It does!

[@axeman2415]

Well, his obvious anger kind of defeats his point: IF God will everything, including sin, then his opponents' "heresy" is also God's Sovereign Will, right? In other words, this guy SHOULDN'T be angry because God has "willed" that they should believe in Free Will, right? Secondly, in his example from Genesis, if God prevented the King from touching Sarai, why didn't God simply prevent the King from taking her in the first place? Apparently, God allowed the King to take her away to marry her without knowledge that she was another man's wife. If he had known that, he might not have taken her. Thirdly, I find it convenient that he says that the Bible doesn't mean "all" until he needs it to mean "all."

[@patrickholt4140]

This is what happens when you follow a philosophy instead of the WHOLE WORD OF GOD

[@commandtheraven9324]

I watched this debate a while ago. Dr. Flowers, you and Jonathan did such a great, composed job taking care of the issues! Your opponents were well versed in the bible but poor thinkers of the text, in my opinion.

[@trebmaster]

'Bout time we got a video on this!

[@contemplate-Matt.G]

Alllllrighty then...well, he's passionate

[@NikoFinn]

Sometimes I wonder if calvinists think the highest virtue and part of God is His kingship and rulership over love. 1 Cor. 13 says... LOVE is the greatest and God is love, NOT power, knowledge etc. Of course God does as He wills in His good, loving, holy will, but He has also sovereignly given mankind freedom of the will

[@leenieledejo6849]

​@@NikoFinnAlso 1st John 4:8 & 16: "God is love" ❤

[@bpoudr]

This is a perfect example of how reformation theology, based on early modernist mechanistic reasoning deconstructs God by defining Him exclusively by power - and even then, in 16th century anthropromorphic terms. The moral nihilism is staggering.

[@blackwater642]

“A future action is unknowable” - he seems to be including God in that!

[@jimmyvaldez100]

I'm not being funny when I say this. I Truly respect how he is standing on what he believes. I don't agree, but it would make things so much easier for everybody if you didn't have to go through all the confusing jargon that others use just to beat around the bush to mean this.

[@smalltowntourist]

If you yell your point really REALLY loud, it must be true.

[@climatematters6632]

Great start Leighton! I wish all Calvinists preached like that! So God determines those whom he wants to commit adultery!??? I hope this guy is given time to repent before meeting his maker🤭🤔

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

✟ How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings. Psalms 36:7 (KJV)

[@readyplayer1900]

The biggest enemy and foil of Calvinism isn't provisionism, or Catholicism, or other protestants or Christians. It's scripture and the Bible itself: Calvin has been arguing with scripture and blaming other people for 500 years.

[@mayorrodgers7446]

"This, according to Calvinistic doctrine, is heresy." Hello pot, I'm kettle.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Welcome kettle. I'm fire.

[@leenieledejo6849]

*pot

[@mayorrodgers7446]

@@leenieledejo6849 🤣🤣🤣🤣. correction received, edit made.

[@_jwh_7832]

While I agree to an extent, sadly rhetoric is often more powerful than logic for most. This is especially true for casual observers. This guy gives bad, illogical, out of context examples one after another. A great example of eisegesis for sure. It would be great to hear a thorough video pointing out all the poor arguments made in this message. I didn't count but it seems like 10-20 at least.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

It would take hours to thoroughly point out all of the idiocy we just witnessed. What's truly sad is, think about all of the ideologues in the audience saying amen to everything he said .

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Who could possibly refute the entirety of his message? That person would need ears of iron and nerves of steel after continuous replays of his over-the-top screamy presentation that plainly besmirches the character of God. I couldn't listen to him long enough to refute him. 🙉

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@SpaceCadet4Jesus I agree , listening to him was hendering my ability to live, as he rendered my blood pressure meds useless more and more upon every one of his blasphemous proclamations. Could you just imagine being one of his children, or what his poor wife must endure daily .

[@tedtuttle6527]

He is correct when he says "when He WANTS to" want being the operative word. No one says God can't do whatever He wants to at anytime to anyone but DOES He???

[@feelgoodfishingwithhenko251]

I saw this ones before....its just as disturbing the second time around....I can just shake my head in awe.

[@fiftycalguru]

This rant makes me strangely comfortable with my past present and future sins.

[@saulgoo2334]

I remember this debate. My ears are still ringing and my hair is still gone. WWEEAAAOOOOWWW!!!!!!!!!!

[@nwaikikai]

What strikes me most in the red-faced tirade of Zachariades is how he seems to think his apoplexy is sanctified because He's talking about God. I've noticed over the years dealing with Calvinists that many of them are, like Zachariades, furious fellows, attracted to Reformed thinking, it often appears to me, because in defense of the systematic they can give vent to excessive male aggression, shouting "Who are you, O man, to reply against God?" When I hear this sort of strident railing in defense of Calvinism, I often think of the verse in James: "The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God." (James 1:20) I must confess, though, that watching the pop-eyed "holy anger" of Calvinists is morbidly fascinating to watch...

[@KISStheSON...]

These topics are beginning to fill with sorrow. I am so disheartened that our very own brothers and sisters in Christ allow themselves to believe such filth about our loving, gracious, merciful God so that they can hold to their belief in Calvinism. 💔 Come Lord Jesus and take us away from these doctrines that are being fed to the house of God by people deceiving and being deceived. I can't wait for the day that we no longer have to discern what trees we freely eat of...the choices are the fruit that we THINK will make one wise and the fruit that WILL make one wise. Genesis 3:6 “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE, she took of the fruit thereof, and DID EAT, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he DID EAT.”🤦‍♀ God is not responsible for what we eat...He is only responsible for giving us a choice to KNOW GOOD AND EVIL...the only way to KNOW something is to first SWALLOW the fruit thereof. It's so darn simple. Anyone who chooses to swallow what this "preacher" is feeding them ought to rethink their diet and PURGE to become a vessel of honor fit to serve God in HIs house because this type of preaching BUILDS an idol in the hearts and minds of those who "did eat". 💌 2 Timothy 2:21 "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work." If: (introducing a conditional clause) on the condition or supposition that; in the event that "A MAN PURGE HIMSELF FROM THESE"...

[@folktheologytransition3756]

I remember watching this 2 years ago. First time hearing what Calvinism is and first time hearing J. Pritchett & L. Flowers! Brilliant pair 💯

[@andrewlineberger7544]

"Who would dare to take this position?" These men right here!! Who are less than nothing!!!" -TZ

[@BM5K007]

Wow take a chill pill champ, another example of why I am so glad to be rid of the circus named Calvanism

[@TheCableStrain]

10:47 this (in my opinion) is the most profound part...........indeed

[@katierucker2870]

“I didn’t realize it would get that loud.” Yes. Yes you did. And now I can’t hear the rest of the video because of it.

[@filmscorelife4225]

I can't listen to somebody who's smacks their lips after every phrase.