Watch THIS - Don't Under Estimate AIR-COOLING! feat. Noctua NH-U14s DX-4677

[@cfldriven]

Back in 2019 I built my video edit rig, w I9 9900K, ASROCK Z390 Taichi, Nvidia GEforce RTX2060, Master Cooler MC500 case 2 fans, and while everyone else was pushing liquid cooling, I opted for the Noctua NH-D15 cooler. I was going to buy another fan for the case, but decided to see if there were any over heating issues. I edit 4K and always max out the cpu without any thermal throttling thanks to Noctua.

[@maozedowner5915]

Those server CPUs have such an evenly spread heat source that they are actually really easy to cool Not so much for desktop cpus where the heat is very condensed like 7950x / 13900k.

[@diyfan2808]

for the 7950x, the heat is spreaded

[@asmongoldsmouth9839]

*I am still using a Cooler Master Evo 212 on one of my computers. The CPU never goes over 70°C under load. An AiO would cool the CPU 10°C more. It greatly depends on the airflow of your case, how well your thermal paste is, if you have a contact frame, how good your air cooler is, etc. I threw a 120mm 75CFM 3.75mm H²O static pressure fan on my 212 cooling tower. I dropped another 5°C.* *The highest airflow and static pressure fan you will buy is the Cooler Master Mobius 120P ARGB.*

[@chumbawumba1959]

As a long time  Mac person - and the history of liquid coolant leaks on the G5 PowerMac towers - I have never wanted to use liquid cooling ever again. So, this vid is a great reference and restores my confidence that for Windows Gaming/Creator builds ... air cooling can be a satisfactory solution. As always, your analysis, assessment and conclusions ... all quite valuable!!!

[@CsQ_RandomRepository]

What I think it's happening with the noctua cooler at 700W is that while it initially handles the load well, the heat is just too much and overwhelms the heatpipes causing a dry-out and a subsequent poor heat transfer. So at ludicrously high wattages air cooler is out of the equation... that is unless you go IceGiant's Prosiphon Elite I guess? Anyways, nice video. While I won't need HEDT computers anytime soon, it is definitely interesting to see what the forefront of hardware technologies can provide.

[@kleanthisgroutides7100]

AIO's are a mishmash of components and don't really reflect a true custom loop system. Also the coolant temperature in these makes me nervous and basically reduces its life exponentially... i cant remember the numbers but 40-50c coolant temp is the max before things go down hill pretty quickly be it the tubing, coolant or pump. The only explanation here is the surface area of Saphire Rapids and Noctuas engineering effort with this cooler... my guess it can be pushed to handle 1000W.

[@VITAS874]

So its not good choice?

[@valentinvas6454]

It's funny how these big air coolers are only rated for 250W on paper because back then we didn't have these kind of CPUs with dozens of cores and huge IHS. This heatsink could do even more in colder room with faster fans.

[@45eno]

U14S is a great cooler that is under utilized now in my home. My wife that is no power user has it on her Ryzen 5600 stock. Pulled the extra ugly 140mm fan I had on it and moved it over to my new D15 dual tower cooler. Have 3x of those brown 140mm fans on it with the new 3rd pull fan properly gapped using the bigger fan pads that came in the U14S box. Noctua makes great coolers and I am slowly replacing all 9 of my home AM4 systems with them when i find them used/new locally for a fraction of the price. Bought 2 brand new D15 in the box one for $60 and the last one a month ago for $40. Overkill but the mounting method on them is so bulletproof that it's a pleasure to work with these instead of cheaper coolers. 3x D15 1x U14S 1x U9S 1x D9L Great coolers with a great chance most will continued to be used for the next 10 or so years as systems get upgraded.

[@Zenzuu]

Have had my Noctua NH-U14s in my previous 6700k build which was overclocked. Handled it with no problem. It's now cooling my 13900k. For what it is, it still holds up remarkably well even against the much more expensive AIO coolers out there.

[@4311Carlos]

Those thick rubber pads is to prevent fan turbulence noise from the fan blades. I experience that noise from a Noctua NH-D15 when I placed a fan at the backside of the heatsink.

[@maozedowner5915]

It seems like attaching the fan on the intake side will create this problem. I tried to reverse my cpu's fan direction so the fan blows air towards the right side(I run open frame pc so doesn't matter the direction) but I can hear a very audible noise when at about 50% rpm that way. The intake side is the side that's touching the heatsink in this configuration. I didn't know why but with this video I now kind of understood.

[@JikoMuskato]

Just wanted to write just that. It just reduces the noise, which is why Noctua also offers some spacers für using in pull configuration on radiator fans.

[@EliteRock]

That's correct - fans are always quieter if there's gap between them and the impedance they have to push or pull air through (ideally at least half the depth of the impeller, but lengths above that, to the point of effectively having a duct, will work). I've experimented with a reversed 14cm rear fan for a back-to-front CPU cooler (with a central/top exhaust), cut the frame off an old 14cm to use as a spacer and it did make the fan considerably quieter.

[@jamesm568]

Watercooling is premium, but air cooling in way more reliable and consistent overtime. At this point it's personal preference on what cooling method you use.

[@Dhruv-qw7jf]

I don't think any CPU is, by design, made for water cooling. I mostly see people using it for aesthetics.

[@wololo10]

Problem of modern desktop CPUs is concentrated heat, that's why we need direct die from the factory again on top of the line models

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

or get an Apple silicon :)

[@wololo10]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl 🤮🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@panzer3279]

Intel should design the IHS better to distribute the heat. As for AMD, they have the worst IHS design in 7000 series chips.

[@wololo10]

@@panzer3279 IHS is just a copper block, there's no design on it, just it's thickness really. Removing the IHS at all is the best solution

[@optimus888amicus]

Hello, everyone ! 🌞😉👍 Very good video ! I really L❤VE the Noctua colers !😻😻😻

[@valentinvas6454]

Imagine if manufacturers made some models specifically for the new giant IHS on the new Epyc and Threadripper CPUs. In a cooler room they could easily handle over 800 watts IMO

[@Khoviean]

Thanks for always posting awesome content 👌

[@daveg4417]

My new system that I am assembling this week is an Intel Xeon W7-2495X 24-Core, Noctua NH-U12S, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5 ECC RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 24GB, Corsair 5000D Airflow, Corsair HX1200 PSU, WD Black 2TB NVMe + WD Black 4TB NVMe, Ducky kbd, Microsoft mouse, Dell 34-inch Wide, Mackie speakers.

[@afti03]

what's your point there, buddy?

[@daveg4417]

@@afti03 - My point is that I have a better system than you... :p

[@cybersamiches4028]

Taking inspiration from the good old Volkswagon beetle, all air cooled... lets goo

[@MikeMatzke]

Cool video, I use this cooler, the only thing strange is the in-case orientation, might not be the best for getting a good airflow stream

[@atnfn]

I used to use air coolers have only used AIO liquid coolers for a while. There is one thing I don't like about air coolers, if the temperature goes up they immediately have to spin up the fans. There is no reason for liquid coolers to speed up the fans until the liquid starts getting hotter. So you don't get the fans spinning up and slowing down as much.

[@johnbernhardtsen3008]

indeed! I have build an cheap i3 10105f pc for my nephew, the crappy pure rock 2 is pretty noisy, when playing triple A games!

[@dennistomsen5822]

Ugh? You can set individual fan curves and response times for temp increases in most BIOSes.

[@afti03]

@@dennistomsen5822 Good sir! its, 2023, might i offer you the alternative of Fan Control? i use it to control every fan in windows!

[@WiFuzzy]

I have never had a noctua fan die. Every other fan has died...lol.

[@Vatharian]

I think you have basically presented that any sustained load over 500W will overwhelm NH-D14u? You have rather high ambient, 26, and my guess is if you left it running for an extended amount of time it would quickly rise up. That seriously limits your cooling capabilities. Also correct me if I am wrong, but aren't burst loads on the verge of causing heatpipe dryouts are much worse for the cooling efficiency? I remember reading somewhere, that load that ramps up over several seconds give HPs time to establish medium movement and provides much higher ceiling, instead of flash boiling it instantly. I actually am nervous about running my 2475X on full blast. I got diy loop, but single 360 slim radiator I carried over from previous build and it's already pushing to uncomfortable liquid temperatures (over 60 degrees), and it's stock with MCE. Second radiator is a must, or much thicker 360 or 480...

[@yissnakklives8866]

The Peerless Assassin 120 works as well (and occasionally a bit better than) the Noctua but for

[@farmeunit]

I have switched almost exclusively to the Peerless models. Want to to try the Frost models.

[@joselaba]

Wow I’m honestly more impressed how that 360mm AIO handled 700W for as long as it did. Literally if Intel spread out their silicon configuration along the IHS (like you said), the current Gen of Intel consumer products would have zero thermal issues and much more competition with AMD. It’s honestly depressing how little innovation has been done with the IHS from all manufacturers :/.Both Intel and AMD need to design a product that doesn’t require a de-lid and a custom loop for their unlocked potential.

[@calebgrefe8922]

Might be totally talking out of my a## here, but I believe spreading the dies out on the substrate has latency implications.

[@XxXnonameAsDXxX]

​@@calebgrefe8922it's also not easy, you have this architecture you've been planning for 2+ years and making similar stuff for 10+. They can't come up with a totally different one.

[@markdalbey]

I am in Las Vegas. In the winter or spring it might be 26. In the summer though it always hits 29 and on occasion it hits 30. I have found that you can't sit in a room for hours when it is over 30 centigrade. It has hit 48 and is regularly 47 outside in the summer, but you are not sitting for hours in that heat. I could get it cooler inside by turning the air conditioning down, but my electric bill would go through the roof. As it is now it is more than twice as high in July as it is in December.

[@VITAS874]

well can you tell as experience with hot nature, is this cooler is worthy? 😆

[@abdulhkeem.alhadhrami]

Changed from an h100i to NH-U12A never looked back awesome cooler beats water coolers even!

[@zeroturn7091]

Can you recommend any tower cooler at 148mm max height?

[@abdulhkeem.alhadhrami]

Cryorig H7

[@gokmen9928]

Last time you were appyling thermalpaste in a very poorly form and saying; "it really doesnt matter." Maybe it mattered this time if some air bubbles or areas without paste left.

[@nicktayloriv310]

Nice comparison, and yes if someone uses the rig as a production machine with no overclocking that Noctua looks like it'll get the job done.

[@naomy1701]

what u mean, without overclocking? hes overclocking the thing to 700W power draw which is mental to say it friendly >_< so with controled overclocking and carefull use of ur CPU, shouldnt be an issue id imagine. but: if u realy need to go balls to the wall, an AIO/Custom Loop is very likely the better solution for cooling lol

[@itsmephougat]

that 700 watt does show air cooler is good it shows that cpu efficiency is very good which means cpu is not wasting that much wattage in heat. If you tie this air cooler with 13900k it will surely thermal throttle.

[@anlinbabu9372]

I am currently using air cooling but the way u testing ia wrong U are using it in a test bench not in a actual case which has a massive difference especially for air coolers cause the temperature that goes in will always be in ambient temperature Whereas the cooling for cpu when using aio will be the temperature of the water inside

[@avahrintmurth1159]

I love my old thermalright "grand macho 2" runs so well with 13 gen intel with an AliExpress adapter

[@adrianzaharia8885]

I used the first Corsair H100 aio. Worked grat on a i7 BUT when the liquid in the aio starts to heat up it stais like that all day long. I prefer air cooling 'caz you can take in fresh air in the room and in 1-2 min the cpu heatsink starts to cool down compred to the liquid wich taked a longer time to cool down. That is my own experience with coolers. Oh...and no leaking on the air coolers. So it is alot safer. My last system had a 12700k 5,1GHz with a NH-D15. 22-24*C idle...55-60*C in full load.

[@ASAPSauce]

W790/Server processors have so many cores to spread the workload across, plus the huge surface area of the IHS. That it's completely redundant to compare it to consumer cpus like the 7950x3D or 13900KS. As those will run hotter and you need to power limit to get lower temps on an air cooler.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

a xeon is not comparable to a 7950x by simply comparing watts, the heat dissipation is way better on xeon i guess

[@vintage0x]

I don't visit this channel often but I got recommended this video and I'm never not shocked at how individual and interesting Lauri's accent is. Definitely one of the most unique english accents probably of all people currently alive, but still retaining transparency...i.e. you can hear the origins.

[@muhammadaiman9338]

air cooler always better in most mainstream build but not a lot of choices when it comes to small form factor build..like noctua havent updated the design of nh9i or nh9a for quite long time now

[@DyllonMcDonald68]

Dam wish i had a monster pc like that with monster hardware.

[@gabrielegelfofx]

I think the Noctua fans orientation is not ideal specially on this motherboard. Using not AIO gpus would be a problem because the Noctua fan airflow is blocked by the "hot" gpu backplate. It would be nice if you put this rig into a case to understand well the airflow.

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

The pc case should be horizontal to fix wicking limit.

[@afti03]

i have that configuration and it's fine as long as you keep the case open. i'd remove even more metal from the case if i could, honestly.

[@orthocoinbitzantium1002]

Intel updated their drivers for Ark 770, you have any thoughts? Is it a good budget option to work with 13900k in the long run? Does 16gb Vram make a huge difference for blender and other development programs compared to other GPUs for same price? Another burning question I don't think anyone knows the answer to: Does it help PCs in general to have CPU and GPU by the same company?? The intuition is that the test engineers at one company would only be using same company components, if they can, leading to that combo optimization... If that makes sense idk.

[@TechBasic111]

It's all about heat density. Dare to bring this to cool 13900k at 350w and talk about how amazing air cooling is. 😏

[@novinovic298]

I would like to see what would happen if you somehow strap 2x 140mm Noctua industrial fans at 3000rpm on U14S or even smaller 120mm industrial fans. Can brute force airflow help with thermal throttling?

[@HDRPC]

I think normal overclocking is more than enough like speed optimizer. Manual overclocking is not worth at all. Sierra Forest, Clear-Water forest and Granite Rapids are looking very exciting.

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

Where Im from 26C is considered cool

[@badhusband1902]

i mean, with a die area 6x-8x of an intel alderlake die, of course it cools better than a 13900k

[@polynightingale3969]

for my threadripper build i am going with noctua not sure if this is right pick or not cause i could not find any proper aio for threadripper

[@VITAS874]

Are 3 fans better for a cooler or 1? I think zalam is still better in this regard.

[@ssearts]

Thank you for keeping most of us up to date, we know where to invest our money wisely

[@scudsturm1]

put that thermal syphon cpu cooler on that xeon, its that big wide cpu cooler

[@wizgrin3099]

Hey mate, do you recommend me use Noctua NH-D15 with a i7 13700k? I'm looking the best performance for photogrammetry and 3d render.

[@freidrichnietzsche6643]

is this better than the Noctua NH-D15?

[@cristianroth8524]

While I'm collecting my jaw from all over the floor, could you install two Noctua Industrial 3000 140mm fans and see if there's any difference? They have twice the airflow and over 4 times the static pressure.

[@user-gb4np8it8o]

I tried this with my NH-D15 on a 5900x overclocked. Minimal difference in benches, UNBEARABLE noise (and SO expensive!). Arctic ALF 280mm allowed higher power limits and better benches.

[@windpeoples]

I use a Noctua NH-D15 with my 3900x. Since I have all memory sockets populated, I do not overclock, so I have found it to be more than enough.

[@he1go2lik3it]

so why can't I cool freaking 300watts of my 13700K with a 360mm aio? 99°C instatly with cinebench r23

[@1sonyzz]

I have same room thermometer

[@AutodidactEngineer]

80% of all dual tower 6 heatpipe heatsinks perform within margin of error but what makes the difference are the fans and how they are oriented/mounted, it's been proven countless times!

[@AutodidactEngineer]

A youtuber called [STS] modified a stock Arctic Freezer 50 by replacing the stock fans with Arctic P14-ARGB and it was 1-2 degrees worse than NH-D15! Look it up by yourself : Video's Title: "sts Arctic Freezer 51"

[@afti03]

pls elaborate as i have a nhd 14 and lots of noctua fans

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

I have an Asus Z790 Apex i wanted to use XTU for testing before i set the solid changes in the bios. The problem is XTU wont keep the settings after reboot because it says it needs Intel Watchdog. Anyone else having this issue?

[@ChristopherOrmond]

I've heard of several complaints about clogged AIO coolers, have you ever encountered one.

[@user-gb4np8it8o]

I've been running Arctic ALF aio for 2 years, no problems. I log bench runs against HWINFO, and have a spreadsheet of temps and results going back those 2 years. Doesn't mean it won't happen in future, but the ease of install and higher perf with very quiet fans is worth it to me.

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

It is called biofouling, happens at high temps due to glycol breakdown.

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

The U14s can handle 400W sustained. That's impressive. I just wonder how the thermosyphon icegiant competes with this?

[@ronythomascherian]

Bro Linus Tech Tips needs to take notes from you fam.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

LTT is the very bottom and just plain entertainment

[@Jenci]

Not 74, but 72 threads at 1:01

[@groinache]

"spreaded"??

[@jandkwhite6459]

What if you tried the Noctua industrial NF-A14s? at 3000 rpm I wonder if the results would change

[@fatal3713]

Don’t give me that ideas, I don’t want to have to take out my cooler

[@user-gb4np8it8o]

I tried this with my NH-D15 on a 5900x overclocked. Minimal difference in benches, UNBEARABLE noise (and SO expensive!). Arctic ALF 280mm allowed higher power limits and better benches.

[@Hartley94]

😂 running for AMD TR 🏃‍♂

[@tomscheea8656]

I have the same motherboard and a w7-3465x and I keep getting errors every time I try to run the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. The error complains about VBS and undervolt protection and disabling some virtualization stuff. I've done it all, vanilla install of windows... and I can't get it to work. Any clue?

[@theTechNotice]

What's the BIOS settings like?

[@tomscheea8656]

@@theTechNotice Since there are hundreds of different settings, I'm not sure where to start looking. There is nothing in the bios for VBS or undervolt protection. And it doesn't seem like too many people have this motherboard yet, so asking on the forums does no good.

[@tomscheea8656]

@@theTechNotice I even reset the bios to default values to make sure I didn't change something by mistake previously, and it still will not work.

[@rickycastro3210]

Jesus, its the same size as an Air Conditioner window unit!!!!

[@Shuttterbugg]

Idk what ur trying to show beucsae obviously the water cooler wasn't made for a thread ripper so why compare them I don't get it? YOU CAN MANY COOLERS THAT SUPPORT THREAD RIPPER DYES AND THEY ALL COVER WHOLE I A!! Soo why do you have this video? Also the boost max time at 128 seconds isn't standard it's like 8-12 seconds standard

[@xSS4x]

The reasons why i moved away from air coolers is their size and weight. AIO look better, put less strain on your motherboard and don't cause memory clearance issues. So yeah, budget builds are the only situation i would consider air coolers.

[@StreamVirtual]

We decided not to buy the new Xeons. Even through the we could use the extra Pcie lanes the performance for the price is too off. A cheaper i9 blows away the lower end xeons for video applications.

[@daveg4417]

I agree. The i9-13900K is much cheaper than the W7-2495X ($800 vs $3000 CAD), and even though it doesn't bench as fast as the Xeon, the i9 will Turbo faster (5.8 vs 4.8). I went with the Xeon myself, in order to get the 2TB memory, but I am not using it for video work, I am using it for high end specialized 3D like point clouds and heightmaps.

[@nivea878]

my 13600K is also air cooled wthout any issues. undervolted -0.9 , max 67 degress while gaming

[@moderatorgamer3177]

WHICH GPU SHOULD I BUY RTX 3070 OR RTX 4060TI

[@11Modern11]

4070ti

[@srkoenma2947]

ghostoso

[@Steve-ho5zj]

$411 Australian dollars, wow to much.

[@eliot9217]

Could you tell me if a 4050 4gb card better or worse than a 3060 6gb card, for 4k video editing in davinci. Thanks

[@atomxeon5415]

like!

[@92kosta]

Air cooling is fine if you don't mind going deaf.

[@MsFearco]

hardcore clickbait title ... shameless

[@prosecanlik4296]

First😄

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

Fail!

[@lesliegrace8360]

8 Dimm mobo and man wants to put a massive air-cooler on CPU. Good luck troubleshooting RAMs

[@jandkwhite6459]

just remove fans....just some clips. super easy

[@lesliegrace8360]

@@jandkwhite6459 Do that 8 times. And do it while the mobo is inside a case, not a test bench. Your partner might praise you for having better finger sessions 😉

[@jandkwhite6459]

@@lesliegrace8360 do you actually think its hard to remove fan clips??? And why would you do it so many times?? This makes zero sense

[@lesliegrace8360]

@@jandkwhite6459 Why so many times? Reseating RAMs when the system couldn't post as well as troubleshooting if it's the ram slot that is faulty. And when you put such as large cooler in a case, getting to those clips are a lot harder especially when you have fans mounted on the top. These are coming from personal experience with a NH-D14. Of course when everything works as intended, any hassle would make zero sense

[@cement_gaming]

just show the results dude. i dont care about all this.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

no case tho

[@kalbe2004]

Hello, I need a recommendation from you. my New GIG GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite Intel i9-13900K Processor Corssair Venegance DDR5 2x16 CL36 6000 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 500GB (boot) 3 x Samsung 980 M.2 1TB Thermaltake Toughpower G3 850 Gigabyte RTX 3080 Ti Graphics Card Thermaltake P6 Mid Tower Case Thermaltake 9 x120 mm Riing Fans 2 x Dell 32 4K UHD Gaming Monitor - G3223Q 144Mhz I am a mild Video Editor Using Premier Pro, Topaz Video Ai, mild Photo Editing on Photoshop, Topaz Photo Ai, DeNoice & Sharpen, Gigapixel. I would appreciate if you can advice me which AIO to use. I hope I am not asking too much. Thank you Khaleel

[@mrq332]

what you are in the uk?! I thought you were german hahahahaha