This $100,000 Patek Philippe Copy Is UNREAL

[@watchfinder]

You might have noticed the audio was missing on the earlier video, so while we fix that, enjoy this instead!!

[@dor-si9145]

Careful Watchfinder. Others have had their channels shut down for videos like this.

[@Lintybaybay]

You guys are clearly too good… back up videos for such occasions. Touché

[@N0gai]

@@dor-si9145 for fake vs real videos?

[@obknockshoes]

When conducting a "Real vs Fake" comparison video, viewers will find it more beneficial to feature comparable dials (referring to the dial variations where the authentic is a pre-Basel 2018 dial). Now all the folks with authentic 2018+ 5711s that weren't purchased directly through boutique or AD are worried. See comments below from folks calling out the obvious dial difference that wasn't discussed in the video.

[@derekflanderschang9654]

@@N0gai yes but i think they were reinstated.

[@archieculican5663]

"buying new isnt an option anymore" - yeah, like it was an option before :/

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

Oh really? A $30K watch isn't an impulse purchase for you? How's life on the other side of the tracks? LOL

[@rehakmate]

@@Mister_Phafanapolis Yeah, I usually go to buy groceries and end up coming back with a Patek and a couple of Vacheron's just because I liked how they looked in the boutiqe. Don't understand these people.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

@Sbsjsj Hdjskdn IT’S A JOKE!

[@Ghosy01]

Me too my impulse buys is why the Rolex wait list is so long

[@tackontitan]

"A Swiss watch has a better feeling." I don't know. Paying $100k for a $30k watch is like going to Mercedes dealer, paying for an S class and getting a Honda. Edit: I love Swiss watches but there's no fucking way I'd pay 3x retail for a Patek when there's so much more out there.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

No kidding.

[@oak6845]

The S class Mercedes will leave you on side the road many, many times , the Honda will turn over 400,000 miles without ever seeing the Honda service department!

[@albertoamador9807]

Redbull using a Honda engine is hand to hand battle with Mercedes in the F1 championship as we speak...

[@KC-bv9kf]

The problem is not Patek, it’s the consumers speculating or flexing. Same as with all Rolex and AP.

[@macoyupadoodle]

@@KC-bv9kf agree its also the re-sellers flippers and gray market fueling these fake speculated prices , and rich clients who dont really know anything about watches who fall for it that make a 30k watch worth 100k .

[@denisalg1171]

If someone buys a 100k Patek and gets ripped off with a fake, that someone should not buy a 100k Patek in the first place.

[@muffemod]

Someone dropping $100k on a watch probably will be okay.

[@ferecidessiro9767]

Well after all buying a fake he is not buying the real one... Buy in trusted retailers not from anybody unknown online or other. Get the real paperwork of the historial of the assistance and the payslip of the shop. Even if the watch is a fake you can vet your money back.

[@DrinkWater713]

No one should pay even half that amount in a Nautilus. Real or fake

[@doctorpanigrahi9975]

You are absolutely right. There's no appreciable difference to spend over $100,000.

[@bigblue7091]

Nuff said 😂🤣

[@saymyname218]

I own a genuine Patrick Philip from Phuket.

[@edamamebe]

Lol

[@giacomotittonel]

Lol

[@laurencefahey2085]

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[@rajgill7576]

Lol

[@nathanielbrice8725]

Ahh yes, the famous watch maker! Rich history! 🤣

[@shezivamp]

That is an AAA China watch. it cannot be compared to Ziarex watches because they sell real super clones, basically the same watches as the originals.

[@LorraineNeal-cg7gy]

I feel these are so underrated

[@TembiClark]

Very underestimated

[@DandriaPerkins]

Before, there was only China selling replicas and manufacturing them, but now ZiaRex is the best in the world and operates from Europe.

[@CheakinaCopeland]

Top, manda o pix! 🇧🇷💸

[@EzraBennett-ir9kd]

I was delusional before, thinking only China could make replicas, but now I know even Italy and Switzerland make them too, and ZiaRex is their representative.

[@FroschBube]

If the fakes for 1/100th of the price get this close, it means that the original is way overpriced. It´s a beautiful design, with great finishing and heritage. But it´s still a stainless steel watch with a date-complication. The finishing, as great as it is, isn´t 99.000 $ worth. It´s just supply and demand. The Nautilus is worth 40.000 - 60.000 $ tops imo. Not that I could afford it, anyway.

[@dietznutz1]

It's worth 10k Max

[@FroschBube]

@Lassi Kinnunen 81 The difference with fashion brands is that there isn´t really much craftsmanship or artistry going into the production, instead being made by cheap workers in bad conditions and not experienced artisans hand finishing watch movements.

[@FroschBube]

@@Emu_Emu I would definitely put a Nautilus´ worth above 10k because of masterful detailed finishing, but purely material- and complication wise, it´s not that exciting.

[@FroschBube]

@@Emu_Emu Maybe you´re right, but sadly we rarely ever get to buy something slightly above material and labour value. These brands would probably not even survive that way nowadays, hence why so many Swiss watch companies rebranded themselves as high luxury after the Quartz Crisis.

[@FroschBube]

I would really love to own a Nautilus / Royal Oak or Platinum Daydate, but it´s unlikely I´ll ever have that kind of money haha.

[@amitavarudrapal3075]

I think it's time that we shift our focus completely from the Royal Oak and Nautilus. We should give our due attention to pieces of other brands as well which are doing an exceptional job at much more collector friendly prices. Let's look at only the steel/ titanium sports watch offerings > Zenith Defy Classic in titanium and blue dial. > Zenith Chronomaster Sport. > Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra. > Omega Seamaster diver 300 > H Moser and Cie Streamliner > Urban Jurgensen One > Vacheron Constantin Overseas

[@ewhyte8059]

The Bulgari Octo Finissimo & GP Laureato too!

[@derekflanderschang9654]

Zenith Defy Skeleton 👌

[@lndyrd]

Maurice Lacroix Aikon for me

[@mistermood4164]

grand seiko white burch

[@donjuan150]

@@ewhyte8059 Yes the Bulgari is cutting edge tech!

[@Panzerfaust9161]

I’d hate to accidentally scratch a 100 grand timepiece so, the fake would suit my lifestyle best.

[@jovaniskandar5089]

It keeps it's value even if you smash it. I've seen so many broken rolexes go on auction on ebay for much more than their market price

[@josephdaoud1268]

And where could I get one such fake 😂😇

[@brianmsahin]

Buying fake is just fooling yourself, plus suffering the ridicule, not forgetting funding criminal organisations involved in everything right up to human trafficking. If you like the style. do the right thing and buy one of the many homage watches that don't pretend to be the real thing. Have some self respect.

[@corseyjuswarth180]

@@brianmsahin you're view is limited narrow etc. You think the big companies are all good and right, when actually the big corporations and co are the most despotic and corrupt. I wouldn't buy the real thing which is over priced anyway, and yes faking it till you make it is a very pragmatic decision that will not hinder you in anyway so long as the assumption is you have this high end watch which is not recognisable. I'd refuse to sponsor companies such as these and others who have done bad stuff ethically in the past, and thus I'd like to support smaller organisations in foreign lands who struggle to survive and have to do this which isn't really unethical in the grand scheme of things when they are just replicating a watch from companies who charge absurd prices for the elite. The most successful and pragmatic individuals do not flaunt their wealth nor wear the greatest items, yet they are humble in their doings and many wear fakes in order to get the same thing. I'd argue different, you do you.

[@krishyadav7571]

@@josephdaoud1268 serach reptime and china time on reddit

[@FazerWiz]

The fake you have uses a Miyota 9015 movement that has been decorated to look like a PP 324CS, however, there is a factory known as 3KF who have a "cog-for-cog" clone of the movement and that's even harder to tell from the original.

[@idosu2835]

Yeah, this definitely isn't a $1000 rep. Heck, even the 3KF Super Clone with the replica A324 movement is only $500-600.

[@PeterZandorff]

Thanks for the tip! Love to contribute to devaluate the value of the absurdly high priced original 5711 by buying a super clone fake like thousands of others, LOL!

[@supermarioxs1]

People are fickle that’s why these prices are sky high … They can keep the Nautilus and Royal Oak! Lots of other gorgeous watches still within the wisdom of common sense and reach…

[@1989rbrown]

@@idosu2835 I've never seen a $1000 rep of a Nautilus or any watch for that matter, except some RM tourbillons 😬

[@mjbxxv]

3KF

[@fez877]

If Brands like Rolex, PP and AP stop all these artificial supply shortage by not withholding inventory and people can actually get one at retail price, all these wouldn’t happen Imagine someone saving up for his grail AP, PP or Rolex, only to literally get said in the face by the AD, “gtfo, you’re not our priority customer”, and finding out you have to pay 3x the money you saved to obtain it from the Secondary market. I’m not saying go get a rep, but then the appeal of a replica becomes more obvious. You wanted that look but you couldn’t get it from retail and prices in the secondary market are crazy.

[@AntonioBenetti]

This watches are a luxury good, nobody gets killed because there's a shortage of them, and people who can afford them are happier if there is a shortage because it makes it even more luxurious and sought-after; the artificial shortage is literally the only reason why PP, AP and all these other brands didn't go bankrupt in the 70s during the quartz crisis, without it nobody could buy these watches because they wouldn't even exist anymore. If you are saving up to buy one of this watches but can't afford to be a priority customer, it's obvious that you are not in the financial position to be buying a watch like that, these are made for people who have so much money they can throw them out the window, they don't care if somebody can't get their grail watch because the less people can buy their watches the more the second hand prices go up and thus the more noise they make, and being talked about is the most important thing for a luxury brand. Of course you are right in saying that this can be seen as a problem by people who want the look but can't get it, and this as you said makes the replica more appealing, but probably the type of person that buy replica wouldn't buy a real PP even if they had the money, if you go on the RepTime reddit, you can see that a lot of people who buy replica watches DO have the money to buy a real watch (they often have yatches, or luxury cars), they just choose not to. At the end of the day, having a watch can mean a lot of things to a person, I'm not the type of guy who'd buy a replica because it just woulnd't feel right for me from a moral prospective, if a person doesn't care about the morals (which I'm not saying is a bad thing, just another opinion) and just wants the look, they will choose to buy the cheaper version almost all the time, even if it costed only a couple of thousant less. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[@overpoweredeverything1401]

@@AntonioBenetti title: the Bible 2 - whole story of watches and their fakes

[@antoniokasabov9364]

The person above said it right. I just want to add that if those TOP 3 Luxury brands were producing enough watches to fulfill the whole market, then they wouldn't be exclusive at all. Actually they would not be anything close to what they are. They would all be Omegas - producing watches with a very high horological value, but targeting the massmarket. With Rolex, AP and PP, a lot of discontinued models feel like limited editions, although they aren't and I think that is beautiful and what makes them what they are. They are the high end luxury and IMO, if you don't mind spending $15K for a Daytona, it shouldn't be a problem for you to spend $45K on it.

[@M_kavi]

Nobody who saved $35k for a nautilus but got rejected would buy a replica lmao.

[@kenchen9451]

Agree, PP’s price really get crazy. They control the amount which they produce yearly ( Rolex as well). You can check the price from chrono24 and PP website the 5711 have 70k price difference. If you go to PP store you will be asked to buy some watches then you can buy 5711 or some hot series. For example, my friend, they own the real Rolex also buy the fake one. He said the people buy these real watch at this time really stupid. The fake one .. he drive porsche .. the people still think that is real one. The price is 100 times different …

[@Zundfolge]

This is another piece of proof that "You don't buy the watch, you buy the seller."

[@blu_nades]

Well, yea that’s how watchmaking is now. Gone are the days of innovation and technical competition. It’s all about the materials, complexity, and heritage from a brand or watch model. Kinda like in the car industry, people buy old jdm cars and vintage porsches because they’re nice, have legendary statuses, and are usually mechanical or “driver inclusive” even though it’s outdated.

[@Sean-xu5ti]

or... that Pateks are over priced AF? Your call.

[@Zundfolge]

@@Sean-xu5ti To be fair, ALL luxury watches are over priced AF. That's part of the point.

[@hollaz2]

like every other luxury item in life

[@mseaton2000]

Bravo Watchfinder & Co, as one of the largest watch KZbin Channels it's so good to see you guys take a lead and do one of these Real vs Fake videos now, after so many other watch channels have subsequently had videos deleted and their channels taken down. For KZbin to object against such a video is completely wrong when you view in the entirety. If only your viewpoint was universally accepted.

[@daniel14871]

How absurd... By seeing a person, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish the real from fake

[@KC-bv9kf]

If the 5711 is going for $100k, then I am not going to decry any fakes. Absurd. Especially when a respectable tourbillon can be had for a little more than half that.

[@markbuttery2790]

This shows everyone with half a brain all the high end watch companies are taking the piss out of us.If a thousand dollar fake is such an engineering marvel , what has the $99 grand been spent on!!

[@iamdihan]

Not everthing is about fundamentals. There are new handbags, trainers, designer labels and even antiques that are 100x of its intial value. $200 Beats headphones cost just $18. Y

[@chriscraft999]

That 99K is being taken to their Bank with them laughing all the way. You can hear them say Sucker! The Chinese are merely showing the world what a nice watch should cost in the day of CNC manufacturing, where production costs in volume are, and should be affordable.

[@hollaz2]

I'll tell you where - The 'Patek Philippe' name on the watch

[@lv3575]

You buy a Patek to show you can burn 100k. Not for the craftsmanship. Same with Ferrari or Bugatti etc.

[@genechi9358]

Makes me appreciate my real Grand Seiko even more.

[@ironmic9244]

The great thing about the Japanese it that they will manufacture for the affordable and the luxury, and you can still count on product no matter what. I've noticed that in the watches, fountain pens, and cars. Europeans definitely segment the market. Their motto is, "You get what you pay for."

[@Skyrise369]

How much is a Grand Seiko and how is the quality compared to other luxury watches like Patek and Rolex?

[@genechi9358]

@@Skyrise369 I would put up my GS against any Swiss brand. It certainly may not have the heritage of a Patek or Rolex, but the craftsmanship is certainly on par in most respects and one can argue maybe better in areas. MSRP for GS has quite a wide range, however, IMO a $6k GS punches above its weight class against a similarly priced Rolex.

[@Skyrise369]

@@genechi9358 thanks for the response, good to know, one last thing as an investment how is the grand seiko resell market .

[@rehakmate]

@@Skyrise369 GS over Rolex

[@saneasmydog7120]

“Like the milliseconds difference between a 911 and GT3…” give this poor man a 911 anytime 😜

[@SuperWhofan1]

When you look at the finishing of the real 5711 yeah it’s great but not worth the list price of this watch let along aftermarket price of 100k

[@HLmilkcarton]

when you look at the finishing *under a macro lens. to the human eye you cant tell the difference

[@AndrewNuttall]

The one thing I noticed, is that the Real Patek's "GENEVE" is aligned to the top of their bar on their face, and it bother's the heck out of me!

[@gglen2141]

Almost seems like the guy who made it wants the fake watch wearer to be called out. Because it is kinda very obvious. Once you you know....

[@farazrayaankhan]

Funny how it actually calms MY ocd 🤦‍♂️

[@HLmilkcarton]

@@gglen2141 until you realize that other 5711s have them not aligned to the top... it varies lol

[@gglen2141]

@@HLmilkcarton It did occur to me that that was a painfully obvious omission for someone claiming to be a master watch forger. Like "Oh !! phoned it in that day, did we? Bit distracted, were we??"

[@stewiegriffin12341]

I’ve been staring at the watch in the video for a while now and I don’t see it. I don’t know if it’s the wording or what, but could someone please clarify?

[@UnivegaSuperSport]

Did they find it too difficult to print on top of the raised, horizontal ridge, so they just created the flat gap for an easier printing surface? That's a HUGE obvious difference, not even qualifies as a "detail". Strange they had no problem printing the dot markers on the ridge surfaces.

[@bozosni]

Exactly my thoughts. The copoed more difficult details and messed with the dial in order to print the logo in a way that gives it away with a single glance. And they only had to print on the raised surface, not the lowered ones. 🤔

[@Leonardo-ej8dx]

They were different variations of the dial print throughout the years, so they resemble a different model. ✌🏽

[@bozosni]

@@Leonardo-ej8dx So our beloved watchfinder did a mistake comparing a genuine watch with a clone of a previous - different model- edition? 😝

[@UnivegaSuperSport]

@@Leonardo-ej8dx Ahh, thanks for clearing that up.

[@Leonardo-ej8dx]

@@bozosni To be fair, I think its pretty difficult to get a hold of the Nautilus 5711, and then to get the exact same year model is even tougher.

[@SuperWhofan1]

The most overhyped and overrated watch in history Proves the point that a sucker is born every minute

[@paperandpavement]

Dont forget the Royal Oak!

[@billboudreaux1]

Well, in my opinion, $100k to some people is like $10 bucks. If you can genuinely afford a great watch, buying it doesn’t make you a sucker…it’s an exercised prerogative.

[@jackwilson5542]

@@billboudreaux1 If it is like that you should buy a watch made from premium materials and with complications. (Not a steel garbage, where you pay 90% for the brand name)

[@chuckschillingvideos]

The emperor's new clothes are, apparently, more gorgeous than ever in some eyes.

[@cedarcanoe]

Another proof that Chinese watchmaking is much better than Swiss marketing wants you to believe. P.s. The printing is better on the fake. I hope that will give you a better feeling when buying Swiss.

[@thatmexicanguy2989]

There is also black marks on the lume of 10 o clock on the real 😂 they aren’t perfect watches at all, get under a macro and both PP and AP are average

[@FrankLavoy]

I truly hope KZbin doesn’t think this video is “advertising” fake watches like it did for JOMW several weeks ago 🙄 Thanks for your insight. I really love watches and would rather buy directly from the manufacturer even if it means having to cough up more dineros and, on top of that, I have the peace of mind that I’m buying the real thing.

[@russianmgtowo8232]

That is the issue, I am on a waiting list for an AP and a Naut, with over 170k$ of purchase history with my AD, two years later, i still did not get one, that is one of the reasons why this black market exists. The other reason is obviously people who will not buy a gen anyway so no loss there for the company. P.S I literally waited less to get my porsche.

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

To be fair he does advertise ‘fakes’ when ever he reviews Pagani design and similar brands. They are not homages as people claim but fakes with a different name on them.

[@MrMadvillan]

@@Jabber-ig3iw 💯 the chinese counterfeiters simply figured out that people will still buy them even with goofball name.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

Who cares? It's all ridiculousness anyway.

[@alexanderevans7426]

£1000 can get you a lovely timepiece from a company steeped in history. A timepiece expertly built with a fantastic finish .

[@edgarkrattiger9185]

Try to resell it..hahaha..

[@adityahalbe8555]

Like NOMOS

[@pabloantinonewman5921]

@@edgarkrattiger9185 try reselling a fake

[@alexanderevans7426]

@@edgarkrattiger9185 I collect watches, I don't sell. And like Pablo said, try reselling a fake. Edgar, I take it you know nothing much about timepiece collecting .

[@alexanderevans7426]

@@adityahalbe8555 They build some beautiful timepieces.

[@Antervis]

2:50 "avoiding the situation altogether is the best solution" - you won't buy $100k watch fake if you don't try to buy a $100k watch

[@jandoodle6769]

If the fake costs 100,000 dollar,,, you’re getting screwed

[@felixfungle-bung4688]

What is with all the swissarex testimonials? They all sound the same.

[@CrashCarson14]

And all with 34 likes… you a bot too?

[@hansmueller1831]

The fake looks better in some parts tbh. The part of the dial where "Patek Philippe Geneve" is printed: on the original they're simply printed on two of the segments. On the fake, the two segments are connected, which a. looks better and b. is probably more effort to do.

[@IntenseImage]

The gen has both dial options ... Just a matter of what year they had available for the video

[@a.sarmiento5116]

With a 100k watch you will just store it somewhere else and use from time to time avoiding the elements or never. With a high end fake you can use it everyday and face the elements and once you have it appreciated they won't even know whether it is a fake or not it will appreciate also in price maybe same as the real deal.

[@fontyyy]

Gen 5711, 8.3mm thick. PPF factory, decorated Miyota movement, 8.5mm thick (and cannot be fixed). 3KF factory, 1-1 rep of actual gen movement (minus free sprung balance), 8.5mm thick, but can be fixed.

[@youyoutube6716]

’’it's rarer than snakes feet” 🤣

[@caffeineisking8132]

Chickens teeth

[@kungen1117]

I hope youtube won't delete your channel after this video.

[@Kpiotr]

Watchfinder did a couple videos like this before.

[@ficko88]

I remember when these were going for around $40k and I thought That was ridiculous ... The assets bubble is getting ever more apparent.

[@sharinglungs3226]

It’s what happens when central bankers print more money.

[@chriscraft999]

And when a loaf of bread will cost $40,000, you got it covered!

[@BuddysDIY]

I'm just sitting here thinking what kind of fool would spend $100,000 on a stainless steel watch with a time and date complication thats arguably more poorly finished than a 7k GS or a 15k Lange.

[@Chris-oz9qx]

Because it’s all about prestige to them not quality. Why do people spend 100 million on a piece of modern art which looks like a 4 year old did it at school?

[@champstation143]

Because it is worth 100k in a market regulated by demand... If the market would solely be based on quality Patek would see not land, which is exactly why there are dozens of Calatravas at each AD.

[@DMBVR4]

That rotor engraving difference is startling.

[@cLqMCqr6Ht]

For a 100x the price? It's really not...

[@derekflanderschang9654]

I’ll say I have a Chinese Phatek Pillippe Aquanaut - I have very good vision and can definitely tell the movement is not what you’d expect from PP. But overall I love the watch and I’m def in the crowd that might have paid retail for an Aquanaut, think that price is fair for what it is, but the buyers in the market have gone irrational.

[@DMBVR4]

@@derekflanderschang9654 for real though. 6 figures for an Aqua is lunacy.

[@wirecardceo]

+ the "Patek Philippe Geneve" on the dial

[@victorutomo7244]

It makes me wondering. If a watch at that level quality (the fake one) can be bought for 1K, what makes the other (the original) priced at 100K? I can only justify the original priced at around 10-20K.

[@christopherw179]

Because people are stupid, especially rich people. Anyone who spends £100k on a watch that retails at £19,000 isn't smart, they're insecure. As if having that specific watch is going to impress anyone. Just buy another watch that is equally nice like the VC Overseas that you can get for retail.

[@larryhattier512]

If a watch can be faked for

[@hiratiomasterson4009]

The next focus of micromachining will likely be on fine finishing of movements and to a lesser degree cases, dial etc (though for day to day purposes that seems to be pretty advanced already): that is the labor intensive process that so far machines are not able to replicate even individually, let alone scale. Patek Phillipe craftsmen are indeed willing to simply spend the extra time to perfect every tiny surface of the movement, case, dial, hands...every part of the watch seems perfect at magnification levels that make even a genuine Rolex seem like a 1995 Chinese knockoff. As soon as that can be automated at scale - assuming it can - then the fun begins.

[@Zantetsukens]

This video is the holy grail for the fake watch makers LOL. Side-by-side I am seeing so many things they can improve on to replicate the original.

[@philwongnz]

This is not a very good one.. The easiest tell is look at the crown.. It sticks out more than the gen.

[@jasonissm496]

A lot of the things pointed out are simply not economical for the replica makers to reproduce like the finishing and level of detail, but the few obvious flaws like the protruding crown could be fixed rather easily. As said in the video, the factories likely know all the flaws pointed out in the video and more.

[@rodrigogutierrezreyes4702]

@@philwongnz the easiest tell is the Petek Phillipe Geneve text on the dial. The real one has the text on the horizontal lines of the dial, while the fake has the text in between the lines and interrupts the flow of the slot. That type of text positioning is used by Patek, just not on the 5711

[@philwongnz]

@@rodrigogutierrezreyes4702 I think it depends which versions of the 5711 you are looking at as there are a few dial variants.

[@rodrigogutierrezreyes4702]

@@philwongnz you're right some variations have the text in between the lines. Another one, on the dial side is the markers, they are thicker than the original one and at twelve are together as opposed to the original which are a little separate from each other.

[@TheBestOfAll2010]

Seems pretty straightforward to me. There is no harm to be done to the original company since they no longer produce the watch and any money made from it would go directly to third parties. The only question left to be answered is: Are the differences worth the extra 99000 and the risk of getting a more convincing fake either way? Buying it for 1000 would leave no doubt that it is fake but if it's a very convincing fake that can only be told apart from an original in the presence of an original... Does it even matter any more?

[@james241ish]

No it doesn't matter any more. The real 1:1 super clones are fantastic value.

[@martinqizeaq]

Not gonna lie. Some part of the fake one is more distinct that the real one.

[@kyle618]

I agree. The dial looks better on the fake.

[@cirrus8791]

To your argument on buying a fake having an impact on the original company, perhaps a little bit of that is a good thing in this case. It is clearly possible to build, say, 20% of the watch for 1% of the money, and perhaps these watches would present a welcome downward pressure on the prices of the real ones. I'm not saying I personally hold these views, but maybe they're worth a thought. There's a point at which pricing becomes so ridiculous that it is maddening, even for someone like myself who doesn't like the design of the Nautilus at all.

[@andrewgiblin3468]

You are very correct, the 5711 is in reality a good 8-9k watch at most, I have one and the build quality is no better than my GP Laureato, in fact I think the Laureato is an overall better package.

[@GoFastJames]

Buying & using a Fake is like robbing a bank and hopping no one finds out as you use the money you robbed.

[@K-Riz314]

There are a few very obvious differences. Though I suspect if it were viewed without the ultra high res close-up comparison, only a connoisseur would be able to call it out.

[@Sean-xu5ti]

For Realzz????

[@sharinglungs3226]

The most glaring difference is the part most people will be drawn to and that’s the watch brand name. The fake has this area blocked out. I don’t know if Patek ever did this design but if you know the year of the watch was the same as the real then it’s too easy to spot a fake.

[@Paglavc1]

If i had a fake watch everybody would know its fake, since they all know i can't afford a real one.

[@watchdealer11]

Relative to the other ones, the Patek Philippe is much easier to tell apart from its counterfeits! Best watches!

[@waltherP99BG]

Such videos are like learning tutorials " *How to make better clone* " for fake factories

[@cvetanpetrov3325]

+1

[@gregizzo8349]

The 3KF 5711 has a direct clone movement, FAR superior then the one shown in the video, using that miyota movement with decoration plates. You’ll be blown away

[@amphibian1472]

Can you share a reputable site that deals with 3KF 5711?

[@steinwaykid]

@@amphibian1472 chazingtime08.co/products/nautilus-57111a-3kf-11-best-edition-blue-textured-dial-ss-bracelet-a324-super-clone-v2

[@simptrix007]

Well good luck when time comes to service this watch. Getting spare parts and find some watchmaker willing to deal with it would be the hardest part of owning this fake.

[@gregizzo8349]

@@amphibian1472 no I don’t, sorry. I don’t buy replicas, however, I have seen one in my hands, and I was shocked at how far they have gone to replicate the 324 movement.

[@bennybennyson1079]

@@steinwaykid That one in the link you posted looks so fake because its bezel shape is wrong its too round shape compared to original/.

[@leeharding8306]

Scary 😧 that’s a few tweaks away from being perfect 😬 they should stop making fakes and develop their own watches. They could probably make better watches than most Swiss brands.

[@ronniep9272]

They don't have the imagination to do so. It's so much easier copying than creating.

[@galatians22122]

Ever notice how there's no videos for fake Grand Seikos

[@loweewolwed9834]

As a WOSTEP certified watchmaker I could finish the fake movement to look pretty similar to the original one. No way around the adjusting lever for the balance wheel of course and surace of the bridges has its limitations but the beveling would look almost the same.

[@SkyTurnsPurplePhotography]

There are some watchmakers on RWI forums who do mods like that to reps. They replace parts with genuine parts where they can, they improve finishing/engraving, also do normal stuff like servicing and repairs. Many watchmakers are against working on reps, but there are some who don't have an issue with it and do a fine job for the rep community. The quality of modified replicas is sometimes so good the watch has to be disassembled to find any irregularities.

[@GustapoGomez]

what it means is these real watches are overcharging because the most expensive worth is our own ego.

[@Vyz3r]

What's the point of even buying something expensive like this if no one knows or cares about the brand? The only people I see buying these are either collectors or people trying to make a profit out of them.

[@pinchnsqueal]

I'm sitting here making mental notes as if I was actually going to buy a Patek. 🤣

[@yapolloable]

Maybe some day you might! I was watching one about rolex and i recently bought my dream datejust and i could apply what i watched into it. It's an awesome experience.

[@pinchnsqueal]

@@yapolloable I appreciate your optimism!

[@gavanmitchell9095]

I'd be so careful with this. A few watch reviewers have had issues. Jody had his channel deleted... All because fake watches were shown (even though they clearly discouraged their purchase). I don't want to lose this channel!

[@alectang1614]

Watchfinder should be good. They're Richemont owned. They have 💲💰💲

[@sirgeorgioalastrata4104]

Honestly, if you really wanted this watch why would you even bother buying the authentic one.. Also that fake costs around only $500 USD.

[@Ben.N]

I wouldn’t be happy with the fake, you buy a nautilus for more than the materials. Just get a Seiko or something.

[@BillyC1975]

Idk. Maybe there is something inherently wrong that a 100,000k watch exists? It is possible the fake contributes to countering a balance?

[@nanocus]

No, this 100k watch is for only a handful of people. There are plenty of affordable watches, costing way less than the fake, for the people who can´t afford an overhyped (albeit iconic) watch. If anything, the fakes means that a lot of people who would have bought a genuine affordable watch will give their money to the fakers instead.

[@nanocus]

And, besides, there are many other watches costing way more than 100k, and that´s perfectly fine, someone else will buy them. Check this one, for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZzQg2yEl9SgsNk

[@adamrassi3516]

Thank you for sharing the comparison. Don't think I'll even be able to afford the Patek, but still nice to know :) I do agree that there are so many new and used watches for $1000 and under -- Hamilton, Longines, Oris, Formex, ect. The list is surprisingly long.

[@tolisdrums]

I love how this video and (probably) a macrolens or something equivalent used to shoot it, makes the differences between the real and the fake so BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, but in reality I assume that separating the two can be really painstaking.

[@rlkinnard]

A cursory view of the watch work without a magnifying glass is enough to tell the difference even without a reference.

[@drawincode1800]

I just watched a video about a watch that I don't even like! But I'd probably watch any of these videos as they go in to so much detail. I'd like to see a video about a seagull chronograph if you have not done one yet?

[@ohmyafy]

Finally a Watchfinder ad. About ‘ehem’ time!

[@russianmgtowo8232]

You should get one with a clone movement, they are insanely close to genuine watches, its scary

[@Skateuniverses]

What do you mean by that? Are there fakes with movements that are based on the Original movement? Do you have an example?

[@Sabboseb]

@@Skateuniverses yes, lots of fakes have replica movements now. Rolex, Omega too

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Mutton dressed as lamb

[@AlessandroGenTLe]

This is one with the clone movement. Older versions had a normal unmodified (well, aparte the PP engravings) Miyota 9015 inside.

[@philipboug]

It's only scary if you paid $100K for it, believing it to be genuine!

[@kws4e]

Why are KZbinrs always exaggerating the prices of those high end replicas? The best 3 hander ones are usually between $440 - §500 and not $1000.

[@james241ish]

Exactly. I thinks it's because they still want to maintain an illusion of high prices even for reps. After all Mr Hands & Co flog second hand watches after all 😝 If folk really knew how cheap and good the reps are no one in their right mind would pay 1000s for what are basic stainless steel watches.

[@TOM-C.]

I'd hate, or actually would love to see what they could do with a $2000 or even $3000 watch? This watch, and in fact, most of the fakes don't hurt the actual brands as people who buy these are never going to spend $10,000 or more on the real thing. Selling them as fakes is one thing, but offering them up as the real deal for a cut-rate of $80,000 is where the problem lay. 👍✌

[@johnadamczyk6213]

nobody's who is buying a $80,000 watch is falling for a fake like this. They know what to look for

[@lndyrd]

as watchfinder said, the sale of this doesn't hurt the original (Patek), it hurts the other brand watch you could've bought for the price of the fake, i.e. the other Tissot, Oris, other microbrand

[@TOM-C.]

@@johnadamczyk6213 Very likely, but under the right circumstances, there's a sucker born everyday! 👍✌

[@TOM-C.]

@@lndyrd For the most part, only people in the know would want this watch because they want that prestige, and they also buy other brands like Tissot, Oris, and other microbrands as you stated. There aren't going to be many of these sold so the hit it takes on other "real" watch brands is minimal at best, but I do see your point.✌

[@TOM-C.]

@@johnadamczyk6213 You're excluding the not so smart people out there, and the experience of the scammers themselves. I doubt anyone would buy this watch as the real deal, but under the right circumstances you never know.✌

[@vladimirchervenkov6949]

The manufacturers of the fake should be shut down. It is the right thing to do.

[@koenjanf7958]

Is it just me or does the fake's dial look a lot better than the real one's? Especially in the first two minutes... Please tell me I'm not the only one?

[@SinnerAndSaint]

The color and the indices seem to have more contrast. Especially on the indices you can see that they look sharper on the fake one as the real one has a more rounded finish on them. It's indeed scary to compare those watches. Apart from the design differences (e.g. brand positioning / printing on the dial) it would be really hard to tell which one is real if you don't have the chance to take a look at the movement.

[@koenjanf7958]

@@SinnerAndSaint The difference in the hands is also visible when you look at them from the side, but I also feel the application of the lume looks better on the fake. Definitely scary how close they're getting though.

[@insane_troll]

This just goes to show that the original is worth nothing like the price that is being asked for it. There are watches out there like the Zenith Defy Inventor that are a real achievement. You are not going to see a replica of that because the movement is too difficult to make.

[@PlushKA2012]

Good video, thank you. But I'm not convinced. PP is way WAY overpriced. If I'd see a really good copy of it just for 1k $, I might buy it... It will not be the best watch in my collection, but it might give me a chance to feel Nautilus on my wrist. I can afford JLC or Omega, but I cannot afford real Nautilus. Why not to have fake one? Shame, yes. But isn't a shame to ask 100k $ for a steel watch?..

[@KBGoob]

It’s true. It’s the same with a Daytona for example. Rolex knows what they’re doing and that’s their prerogative but when a ~14k steel watch is being resold for 22-30k (my secondary values may be off because I’m tired of it all) what are we supposed to do? That’s as much as, if not more than, it’s gold counterpart and you can’t even buy the styling you want in gold. If the watch is truly worth 30k and I guess the market says it is then fair play but I won’t be paying those mark ups just on principle.

[@KBGoob]

And to add. It’s not like they’re scarce. You can go online and buy the exact Daytona you want with the mark up so obviously people are just sitting on them and bought with the intent to flip.

[@PeterZandorff]

Totally agree!

[@jamiea8318]

The fact that some of these knock offs are so hard to tell at up close inspection kills the argument of AP/PP/etc pricing these days being justified from “the high end finishing”

[@rumatadestora]

Honestly, the Swiss watch industry is becoming too greedy

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

They're scum. I wish death upon the industry because they lie and mislead about country of origin (glass, bracelets, cases and movement ebauches are mostly made in SEA and sent to Switzerland) and I just don't believe there is enough that can be done to justify a $10K, $50K or $100K three hand, steel watch.

[@davidsandrovitch7635]

With this watch, if you see the slightest burr on any edge, it's going to be a fake. You will need a 10x loupe I would think.

[@UnivegaSuperSport]

Could you pass a Q-tip or swatch of cotton and see if it snags?

[@sprtjnke]

If these companies invested a bit of time in an original and sold it for what it is they would probably produce a decent product.

[@allansh828]

It’s not like counterfeit companies don’t know that. Building a brand is way harder than making good products.

[@kurtzcol]

the way they did the name on the fake looks more professional than the real thing to my eye

[@tomthompson7400]

great video , the split shot with the second hand matching is one to be proud of .

[@derekflanderschang9654]

The camerawork and lighting on this channel is ☝️

[@GetOuttaTheJohnBoy]

What this video really exposes is the gross overpricing for Swiss luxury watches. If others can make virtually the same thing and turn a profit at $1,000 then Patek and others are simply charging for their name; which is fine, that's how 'Luxury' works. But.....you know. Stop lying about it. We get it.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

Only 60% of the _value_ of the watch comes from Switzerland and that includes marketing and research & development. That means most of the watch is made overseas and then assembled in Switzerland like a model kit. People have fallen very hard for the Swiss' luxury watch marketing.

[@WorldsWorstFishing]

And yet Andrew says he still rather have the Odysseus than the 5711 🤢

[@bidipbo]

One thing true about both watches - they're both pretending to be worth more than they actually are.

[@SuperChrismj]

In theory what you are saying makes sense, but to a person who doesn’t want any other swiss watch for $1000 . The super clone is what will make them happy 😊

[@Megatraum504]

right? u honestly get shittier movements too in $1k swiss watches. Eta bullshit they use in $500 clones anyway. Most affordable watches either look like shit, try to look like a better watch brands design, and/or straight up have lower complicated movements than clones that cost 1/2 the price. All at the expense of micro details and the lack of meticulous finishing and trustable waterproofing..... who tf swims in a watch anyway?

[@Theman26642]

The Patek Philippe on the dial is the biggest giveaway. Lettering should be fully on the individual bar.

[@MustafaAliM]

Yeah this is a 400$ replica

[@mayorofrlyeh8042]

I am surprised the most by the fact that they obviously did not manage to print on the small stripes and had to fill that space up. This must be very hard to pull off, otherwise they would have done that at this price point and is a dead giveaway that jumped at me right away.

[@alphaquiorem2556]

It is because they are several versions of the watch, with a positioning varying over the years

[@mayorofrlyeh8042]

@@alphaquiorem2556 so there are versions of the original where the stripes are filled in as well for the print?

[@xgraph1te]

@@mayorofrlyeh8042 yes the retail ones have that too

[@TheSaxcat]

They've taken the phrase, "Fake it 'till you make it," a bit too literal.

[@ayoungtricknamedjim5498]

There are far better replicas of the Nautilus out there.

[@deanpixx]

Yes, “my friend” has one!

[@bayouboy8644]

@@deanpixx Would you mind sharing where they bought it ?? Thank you

[@jamesburnette506]

r/reptime

[@chillax2108]

any sugession?

[@ayoungtricknamedjim5498]

@@chillax2108 I don't condone purchasing replicas but if you're going to go down that route, replicahaus does a better job than this one. But there are much nicer time pieces that are real, with real long lasting quality that you can get (Seiko, Hamilton, endless micro brands, etc) instead of a replica. And then you're not throwing your integrity out the window. Years ago, I purchased a replica from replicahaus when I was blackout drunk. Spent $1200+ and it's the only watch purchase I've ever regretted. I'd rather get a $500 micro brand with quality, integrity and character than a knockoff.

[@MustafaAliM]

It's something about the original colour that just makes this watch unbelievable. If only they could mimic that... Otherwise the text with it's background is a dead giveaway. Not to mention the 12th dial. Once u see it u can't unsee it unfortunately.

[@Tortuex_]

to be fair, the people speculating watches are what makes people buy fakes. sure, not everyone could afford a 30.000€ watch, but way less people can afford paying 100.000€+ for it ! so everyone who would have possiblity spend up to 50.000€ for it but not more and who really want it might end up buying a fake watch instead... watch brands should regulate the second hand market like car brands do.

[@shiftk1]

the original one is very beautiful.. but even with there majestic heritages.. there is nothing justifie those 50K-100K price tag or more for any new watch.. those companies are just making fool of few people.. but it just matter of time for those few people to wake up and the prices will get back to normal..

[@STEVEARABIA1]

Imagine what they could do in a $2000 clone.

[@pablosalazarrojas8106]

The "$1000" is just for views, I can swear to god that that rep is around $500

[@fredhal8681]

you can buy a better clone than the one shown in the video with a fully cloned movement (except balance mechanism) for about $600. The one shown is about $500 I think. Not $1000, certainly not 1000 pounds.

[@danielKravtsov]

@@fredhal8681 link?

[@fredhal8681]

@@danielKravtsov look at Reptime and RWI forums as a start. I won't go into more detail as it is a faux pas to say too much in the "public domain" because the high profile does make it easier for manufacturers and authorities to note which factories to target just from names. They can and probably do perform this sort of research anyway but it's even been mentioned here. It takes maybe 10+ hours to forge a semi decent understanding of that ecosystem if you already have a very deep and laterally varied understanding of watches in general. I bet I know more about watches than 99% of the "purists" who know shit all about the actual mechanisms and how every bit is made and machined. Reps offer an aesthetic gateway into the world of "luxury" watches. They are mechanical toys but honestly no different than the deeper hedonism and delusion of these purists. They don't understand watches, they don't understand money... sometimes they have a bit of it though. I am confident plenty more rep buyers are actually wealthier if you remove the teenagers trying to flex.

[@fredhal8681]

oh and btw MANY people who own genuine watches also own plenty of high end reps. They are beginning to become that "worth it". In fact plenty more in the entire watch community who venture into reps end up staying almost exclusively in the reps after they dip their toes in. I will warn you though. It helps if you are at least semi capable at doing mods and repairs. That's an area reps simply cannot match genuines in - quality control. You get some perfect ones out of the box, sometimes you get minor misalignments which can be a 2 minute or 2 hour fix depending on the issue and how capable you are with actual watchmaking. It's a fun hobby and rewarding in a way genuine pieces will never satisfy. Both are an endless chase because at the heart, it is empty hedonism. You cannot stop unless you manage to see these things for what they are. If you aren't capable, you need a brilliant watchmaker who is willing to work on replicas. There are plenty of pitfalls with reps! Even buying them is a pain in the ass as I'm sure this channel understands unless they sourced it from someone who is reselling their replica for 2x the price they paid.

[@XSFlanger]

I never understood why people love Nautilus so much, when Patek Philippe has such gorgeous Grand Complications watches.

[@maxblumenfeld29]

Before I spend a lot of hard earned money on an expensive time piece, sometimes I will buy the replica/fake, that way I can get a good feel of whether I like the watch as much as I thought, or not. Of course it only gives you a rough idea. I have bought a few in the past that I ended up not liking, example the green milgauss and the newer submariner. I prefer the more vintage ones with smaller lugs.

[@charleshermetix3886]

I was the same..but best to not give that market any money IMO.. Better to get a homage to get a feel of the real,for instance a Squale gmt as opposed to the Rolex gmt master.

[@billboudreaux1]

@@charleshermetix3886 Totally agreed. I used to be tempted; not any more. Who wants to live a lie!?

[@maxblumenfeld29]

@@charleshermetix3886 Thats a good point

[@DCMetalChris]

Do yourself a favor and skip to 5:35 where they actually start talking about the differences. Everything before that is just filler that wastes your time.

[@emperorsgoldenboy3735]

Even if I had 100k to spend on a watch, i sure as hell wouldnt be buying the lamest shit in that price range (the 5711) - would definitely go for either a patek worldtime or more likely a lange zeitwerk

[@Moose_338]

Honestly, the part these videos are missing is using the tool(not sure what its called) that tells you how well it runs.

[@adrianjd32]

Those are virtually identical though so it’s pointless. On some watches the real will be better and on some the fakes will be better.

[@ytsub7]

Isn't the dial like obviously different?

[@philwongnz]

There are different variations of the Nautilus dial..

[@cliffwheeler7357]

Yet another example of the unnecessary use of the word "like"

[@ytsub7]

@@cliffwheeler7357 Haha, went on a little rant there :)

[@Infraredxxxxx]

Excellent video 👍. The comparison with other watches is spot on. Good clones usually cost enough to buy a good watch. In between any possibility you review the Omega worldtimer?

[@irishwatchenthusiast6647]

He did - 3 months ago - title was something like 'watches that look more expensive than they are - Omega world time...

[@Infraredxxxxx]

@@irishwatchenthusiast6647 seen👍. Thanks a million. It truly is a beautiful watch, worth every penny and more.

[@bigpops74]

If I had a £100K Nautilus, I'd totally buy that fake to wear every day while the real one sits in a safe, or a bank.

[@HawkMeatHead]

So if you had a 100k watch you'd support criminals and gangs? I hope you never get that 100k watch then.

[@DannyChau7]

I buy both expensive and fake (if I can find a good copy) all the time, both are limited and collectible in 'time', and both will be appreciated as part of watch-making history.

[@TucsonDude]

Commenters here think watch companies like PP, JL, AP, GP & VC are making an easy killing in profits by simply their status. If you looked at the level of detail closely, you'll realize all the unimaginable work to the nth degree of detail that goes into every single watch.

[@WooliteMammoth]

it's the status dude. No amount of "work" is worth over a 100K for a watch.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

@@WooliteMammoth stop talking rubbish

[@ardipithecus11]

$1,000 for fake garbage? For what? Just for clout? You can fake the watch but you can’t fake being able to afford a $100,000 watch.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Seriously I’d rather get something genuine for $1K.

[@ardipithecus11]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 You can get a perfectly good Seiko with that. There are plenty of options out there. Oh well; to each their own.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@ardipithecus11 Exactly.

[@Gypsy_Wyrm]

sorry but when they artificially make their "rare" they lose all respect. I would rather donate my money to fakes at 1% the resell cost so they can make a 1:1. people should be tired of the utter ridiculousness that is resell prices.

[@derekflanderschang9654]

I do wish there was an option to commission a “certified” replica eg for wearing out and about / at night - akin to what many fine art owners do with paintings (a lot of times the real ones are held in safes and what you see in the house is a copy). But I see the risk as well given the history of forgery in the art world…

[@Richie_P]

It's just not quite the same. With paintings, there only exists one original, and so it's accepted that in order for more than one person to enjoy it, you have to have copies, and the original must be protected at all costs. But, with luxury watches, even a "genuine" is usually a copy: one of tens, hundreds, or even thousands. Sure, you should treat it with respect, but it's okay if it gets some scratches when you use it as it was designed for.

[@derekflanderschang9654]

@@Richie_P fair point, and if the market was suddenly flooded with 10 Mona Lisa’s, it’s pretty easy to tell something is off, as opposed to just another few thousand Submariners in the market