Watching HELSREACH with Ava and Kari

[@NUMBSKULLS]

By the way, YT says this VOD can't be monetized so if you'd like to support us check the description!

[@Pherellion]

Hello numbskulls, my youtube is glitching and I'm seeing your comment section underneath an undertale video essay that brought me to tears

[@woaddragon]

Ah man

[@fishpop]

Maybe it's cos you put songs in the stream and the copyright bot flagged them

[@mommy2471]

What song was that at the beggining

[@Historyfrek4ever]

Grimaldus model has the servitors carrying around relics that were gifted to him by the people of Helsreach from the chapel where he did his last stand.

[@Hello-ub8kt]

TLDR on the chaplain thing is that most space marines don’t worship emps it varies by chapter and the black templars very much do

[@Brutalyte616]

Yes, but there WAS a writer that worked on the Black Templars that said they did not venerate the Emperor as a god. This is, of course, complete Groxshit, as the Black Templars were founded for the express purpose of compartmentalizing the the more rogue elements of the Imperial Fists, namely those who had taken up the Imperial Cult in the closing days of the Heresy and subsequent reformation, and isolating them into their own Chapter as the Imperial Fists Legion accepted the Codex Astartes. That said, the Chaplains were originally introduced by way of the Word Bearers, in order to enforce discipline and tend to the psychological and mental needs of the Legionnes Astartes, and the Chaplains initial role among the Legions was to watch out for signs of former Librarians using their psychic powers after the Council of Nicea. It should also be noted that the Word Bearers also used the Chaplaincy originally to infiltrate the other Legions and help establish the Warrior Lodges, but despite these twisted origins, Guilliman saw worth in the Chaplaincy's official purpose, especially in the wake of the Imperial Cult of the God-Emperor, and pushed it forward to preserve the spiritual purity of the Space Marines against the depredations of Chaos. And as one last little parting bit of information? Technically the Chaplaincy are considered specialists outside the rank and file of the Chapter's Companies and are ostensibly part of the Chapter's Command Staff alongside the Chapter Master, his Honor Guard, the Chapter Fleet, the Apothecarion, and the Tech-Marines, therefore they are not counted against the 1,000 Astartes restriction as per the tenets of the Codex Astartes. Just food for thought.

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

Yea most chaplains and space marines venerate there ancestors and don't worship the emperor but then we have the black Templar and a couple others.

[@nakenmil]

@@Brutalyte616 Okay, so the thing is that the Black Templars were made up WAAAAYY before that lore bit about the black templars were formed from the most religious aspects of the Imperial Fists was written, so it's not that strange that someone writing novels about them in the 90s or early 2000s would not share that perspective.

[@Brutalyte616]

@@nakenmil Their origins were unclear, but the Templars were always characterized as religious fanatics. The same author ALSO implied that the Templars were Codex compliant, which has also never been true outside of the one instance, although the more modern take is that they're using a series of technicalities to get away with it rather than the old lore, which was they just ignored the Codex like the Space Wolves did.

[@Aaron-io8vw]

The ones that don't see him as his still kind of venerate the Emperor in what could be considered ancestor worship(he is in a way the grandfather of the Space Marines through his sons the Primarchs)

[@camomurf5182]

As I recall, Grimaldus arrived in Helsreach with about a hundred Black Templars. The city was so big and the orks were so numerous that this animation didn't need any of them to tell the same story. XD

[@ChaosActual1]

The Helsreach viewing starts at 26:00. There's talking before that if you're interested.

[@ben2741]

Jesus, that’s a lot of fluff

[@blender7]

8:45 is especially worth viewing in that pre-show period.

[@ChaosActual1]

​@blender7, well, I didn't get anything out of it. If you enjoyed that part, I'm happy for you, but it wasn't for me.

[@dicerson9976]

Helsreach is one of the things that sort of brought 40k into public eye. The sheer fucking quality of the work was enough to get an absolute TON of people looking into it, and then it was followed by a cavalcade of other small things and then GW started throwing around its license to small indie devs. Basically out of nowhere over the course of like a half decade 40k went from an obscure sci-fi setting to one of the most well known on the planet.

[@ALJ9000]

So this was essentially the first Iron Man movie but for a tabletop game?

[@goldenshark7546]

​@@ALJ9000 its kind of yeah. This is second serious and high quality fan work after Lord Inquisitor short. Even Astartes creator mentioned this Helsreach animation gave him motivation to start and finish his animation project. Afterwards fan works improved alot. Even GW hired animators for their work and their official animation quality also improved

[@bilbobagend8155]

​That's a little bit of a rewriting of history. GW threatened fan animators with an ultimatum: Either work for us or we'll take legal action. That's how such incredible animations like Death of Hope and The Last Church died out.

[@drew6145]

"Accept the differences and stand with them as allies" that line goes hard Funny to me how so,e gw drama got brought up in chat given that line. Bruh

[@GuerillaBunny]

I'm now imagining a future where they haven't had ham, cheese or burgers of any kind in so long that all of those words have lost their meaning, and "Hamburger, cheeseburger..." is now a legit Adeptus Mechanicus mantra, because the words mean nothing to them.

[@keeganwilliams8046]

How did I not realize this was primarily animated in SFM before this?!?!

[@stylishskater92]

what is SFM?

[@goldenshark7546]

​@@stylishskater92 Source Filmmaker

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

WAIT REALLY?!?!

[@KavsLockedOut]

skbidi toilet is now canon

[@samuelspry6955]

29:36 Grimaldus is a Pragmatist, not a nihilist. Of the countless trillions, alone, he doesn't understand why he'd be any different from the rest. He's also right in the end. The Grimaldus we know IS dead. What came out of the rubble, is a different beast altogether.

[@Zayber129]

Hero of helsreach the crowd cheers. As if there is only one

[@jordinagel1184]

“He’s like Kirito!” Man, Kirito *wishes* he were half as badass a black swordsman that Priamus was (or Bayard)

[@MootsTheFunnySwede]

Obligatory hello from Astartes Anonymous for that mention 02:09:30 : )

[@popecorkyxxiv2363]

Fun Fact! The reason the Orks keep attacking Armageddon is because it is their world, possibly even their homeworld. It was originally called Ullanor.

[@dicerson9976]

Actually the reason is because of Gaz Ghul, the current biggest warboss in the galaxy. He went a bit psycho after he lost half his head and gets weird warp visions from Gork and Mork that tell him to go to Armageddon for the biggest fight ever as part of some grand plan to see Gork and Mork brought back into reality. He is the one responsible for the Second and Third wars for Armageddon (The first war didn't happen, unless you WANT to be shot by a comissar or "investigated" by the inquisition).

[@popecorkyxxiv2363]

@@dicerson9976 Very true, but why do you think Gork n Mork told Ghaz that in the first place? That world once belonged to the great Overlord Urrlak Urg who commanded an Ork Empire so large the Emperor himself was needed to handle it.

[@sirgaz8699]

I think you need to make an avatar with an uncomfortable, disturbingly, distended jaw for when you scream WWWAAAAGGGGHHHHH Edit: with tusk like lower teeth.

[@daveemerson6549]

Since she really dug the imagery of the princeps sinking into the abyss of the engine's machine spirit, you guys would probably really enjoy the freely available "Angels of Death - Origins: Kill Command". It's a 25 minute animation aboout how the captain of a Blood Angels battle barge interacts with the ship's machine spirit. Really great badass lady captain, and a good look at how the ordinary people serve the Astartes.

[@stephenross5586]

I had to get my plasma gun for this shiz, the Tyranids attacked the last time I watched a 3+ hour vid, and straight up I'm not gonna get swallowed whole by a Biotitan again Update: about 40 minutes in and the Tyranids attacked, call the tech priests to bring in the titans Edit 2: 2 hours into vid, i was able to successfully fend off a small ork waaagh that landed in my rose garden, and also have yall not ever seen those add on buttons for pcs that plug into the pins thst yall bridge with the skrewdriver? They are like cheap and usually uses a keyboard switch so it can very nice sounding and feeling to press

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

I have no source for this, but I'm fairly certain that the broken sword on th backpack of Grimmaldus' mini is Primus' power sword. This may just be my headcannon but I think it the most significant of things to consider as Imperial Fists literally keep the bones of their allies and/or enemies on them as momentos. You could say that the blade is a bone within a unit of Sword Brethren, after all.

[@Richiedoesmc]

For titans and knights the pilot is usually apart of a lineage of pilots aka their family from way back when the dark age were piloting it. And they just inherited the role after surviving the merger with the AI and previous pilot’s remnants.

[@scottschofield5000]

53:21 . Grimaldus making that King Conan pose from the end of Conan: The Barbarian.

[@aztecjaguar6571]

Thank you Kari and Ava - awesome stream of one of the best 40k animated (audio)books ever - it was so much fun. Your light-hearted and super enthusiastic enjoyment of 40k is so refreshing and wholesome - as Grimaldus said as he boarded the Thunderhawk at the end: „…and we are judged equally for the illumination we bring to the blackest of nights. We are judged in life for those moments we spill light into the darkest reaches of his Imperium.“

[@drew6145]

Cant believe Ava caught blushing

[@LCliffhanger]

Cador died in an ambush along Hell's highway, Grimaldus says it right after the "one month later" text In the book, he was listing off several casualties, since he's in command of a full 100 Templars as part of the Helsreach Crusade, so theres a lot more than just Squad Grimaldus. So in the book, he's listing off like half a dozen other names, how they died, whether or not there was enough of them to recover the gene-seed, it ends with Cador.

[@jesperkarlsson2853]

I read it first as Ava and Karl and I don't know why I find that so funny

[@vulkan4108]

No way, Karl Franz?

[@jesperkarlsson2853]

@@vulkan4108 They have truly made it far having the prince and emperor as a guest

[@fenrirsrage4609]

Karl the Deranged

[@fishpop]

5:28 for when they start talking - 18:00 Quick rundown on Black Templars. 26:00 For when they start watching - 1:46:34 to skip technical difficulties 3:42:57 Movie done, let's look at Minis

[@Creepy___]

oh thank god, I was running out of helsreach reactions

[@luckyday5721]

Would love to know the song at the start

[@NUMBSKULLS]

Goodbye, My Morning Star from the Metal Hellsinger OST

[@luckyday5721]

Thank you..I asked before went to sleep love your content

[@fishpop]

Helbrecht's voice here lines up with his TTS voice

[@jordinagel1184]

Where do you think TTS got it from?

[@fishpop]

@@jordinagel1184 Thought it was cos parody but seems like he canonically gargles gravel.

[@Historyfrek4ever]

Knight that is kitbashed to look like Howls moving castle. That sounds awesome.

[@trollpatrol1177]

I got chills when the attack warning siren started blaring and the servitor started talking in his monotone voice. These things together made me feel like those words were mocking the Imperial fleet, as if it wouldn't make a difference and everyone was going to die.

[@danielharting2557]

Kari's PC objects to the break in at D16 West.

[@ben2741]

36:40 “and that is so you remember it”

[@starlightpurrito7466]

2:56:17 IT IS THE BANEBLADE! AH YES, THE BANEBLADE!

[@stevefromwork6136]

Jurisian is describing whats its gonna take to fix her pc 😂

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

1:44:00 I love the joke of them turning the computer on with incense and a screwdriver 🤣🤣 And I know they actually have to turn it on with a screwdriver, but the incense made it even funnier

[@classyserpent8778]

The Ork strategy And they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming And they don't sto-

[@sousouluteru9223]

Love you two my new favorite 40 k couple .🥰🙏 Much love and Aloha from Honolulu,Hawai’i.

[@cezar9344]

All the gilfs dig Grimaldi's riz.

[@loganb7059]

It’s such a delight having so many people now getting into 40K and it’s lore. Even better is that people love it for what it is. Nobody’s crying “X needs to change because it’s problematic.” Everyone seems to be on the same page of “Yeah, it’s problematic. That’s kinda the charm.”

[@Aaron-io8vw]

The Reiver /Incursor Sergeant helmet matches the film grimaldus

[@loreman2803]

Hey, Stream was great, sorry you hit the Primaris Nerve but it was a bad time for their writing team, along with essential telling Space marine players that their old models would become unusable, I enjoy them and they had the ground work to make them work well just tripped at the execution. Hellsreach was an amazing project and I would recommend the Horus Heresy booms for more emotional takes on the stunted super soldiers. Beyond that theres battletech for another good lore dive but the game in its original form is jokingly called Battle math so perhaps try the other type called alpha strike which is more akin to 40k table top. Thanks again for the amazing stream 👍

[@Brutalyte616]

Honestly, they should've just made Primaris units a more expensive version of bog-standard Firstborn Space Marines in terms of points, that way there was still an incentive to run Firstborn for the decade or so it'd take to phase them out without trivializing the Primaris. Then once it got to a certain point GW could have declared their intent to discontinue the old model ranges entirely, but Firstborn would still be around either via proxy with Primaris and surviving older models, or a revised model range. Sort of as a way to make Primaris the new standard for future editions and making Space Marines just a bit more elite, requiring slightly fewer models for an effective army, while retaining the Firstborn as both a budget option for point costs and a nod to both the old days of 40k and the fact that not all Firstborn have crossed the Rubicon Primaris. Of course, I've been saying that since the Primaris first debuted, but not a lot of people have been debating the nuances of the inclusion of the Primaris to really agree or disagree with me in earnest the last few years, and instead just reduce the argument to a yes or no answer about whether or not the Primaris should have been added to the lore or the tabletop at all, and that's still the long and short of the debate to this day, at least in my experience.

[@alecpatrowicz2940]

13 or 14 armigers is a perfectly valid imperial knights list for 2k points, and you can buy all the models, paints, brushes, etc for less than a grand (usd)

[@gruntmastergames2626]

I hope one day they discuss ciaphas cain

[@andarchy1386]

This movie got me into 40k lore proper!!

[@ben2741]

Best girl-chans FINALLY arrive 3:28:38

[@Zayber129]

A doomer and his 200ft tall goth gf

[@STARGUN8687]

Goth girl because of Gothical churches, aha)

[@alchemicpink2392]

I want Jurisian to read me a bed time story.

[@thyknight7506]

Why not for the dice you have the logo be 6 on the D6

[@thyknight7506]

Or you can have different numbers of heads on each side so one head on the one or six heads on the six

[@admiral3075]

2:33:11 some random deamom about to be hit by a rocket the size of a sky scraper Cause an emperor class titan was near his location in real space with his void shield on xD

[@admiral3075]

3:01:05 people rag on the salamanders for this but running at the war boss and hoping to kill him over leaving a defensive position open to enemy counter attack, is dumb. black templars are well known for throwing all caution to the wind and getting many people killed for stupid attacks, just look at any time they get wind of the fallen. Salamanders are smart about how they engage an enemy they don't have a fucked view of honor being running at the enemy and getting yourself killed.

[@admiral3075]

Also ending the war? There would still be billions of orkz on Armageddon it wouldn't make the situation easier, it would make it worse in all honesty.

[@Aaron-io8vw]

Grimaldus and Andre have another adventure together in the novella Blood and fire.

[@armorclasshero2103]

Point of fact: vat grown babies are still babies.

[@steweygrrr]

Babies are not a peoples. This is a widely accepted fact. Babies are, in fact, crotch gremlins™

[@swordbrotherplatt9392]

3:39:16 this part gets me every time…. Poor captain Andre….😢😢😢

[@KeishinB237]

Where can I find the Grimaldus Art from the intro? Cause that is SICK!

[@hgrim2773]

Fun fact I have painted a good amount of the kingdom death monsters for commission for a friend. The dragon king is one of my favorite models I've painted

[@reylann2965]

I get the whole nihilist thing. I would describe myself as such however once you work through the whole existential dread thing you realise just because there doesn't seem to be a overarching purpose, there is still beauty in things even though they end. PS, black templars are the 2nd best space marines. The Soul Drinkers are the best.

[@smogghost8010]

Kari really needs a new PC, huh?

[@huggelion]

i love my orkz boys dey da best

[@TheSiladhiel]

Drums for the drum god. Beats for the vibe lord. DEEMON!

[@esaedvik]

Maybe try Resolve instead of Premiere.

[@Commandocheif99]

Mad Dok not Pain Boy, end of the Fantasy video. It does not fit in 😂

[@Jstarizle]

THE WAAH ENERGY

[@ian_malcolm7711]

FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!

[@Cactusforehead]

Is it just me? What happened to the audio?

[@alarsonious2071]

Ok, this aught to be cute.

[@PanzerLord]

Regarding your statements on the T’au: I am fully into the Imperium; I’m more invested in Imperial Guardsmen, such as Krieg and Cadia, though I also like Astartes chapters like the Dark Angels, Black Templars, Blood Ravens, and Lamenters. That being said, T’au are unequivocally my favorite Xeno faction, mostly because of the cooler aesthetic compared to other Xenos (now, I must admit that I started looking into T’au mainly because of that one running joke from TTS [Kitten dating/hating the T’au] and the NSFW fanart that people like SexualYeti posted [Started as “big tiddy blue xenos”, ended with “huh, xenos can make mechs that are more tasteful than the Imperium’s]). As for lore, the only thing I find interesting is “T’au cannot warp travel like Imperium because they can’t comprehend the horrors”. That’d be an interesting dynamic in a T’au-Imperium alliance against ACTUALLY dangerous xenos, like Orks and Tyranids: we provide warp travel, they provide awesome tech for blasting our foes (might piss off mechanicus, but who cares about those toasterfuckers). However, the mind-control bit feels like (and probably is) an old sop to people who complained, “EW, IS NAWT GRIMDAHK ENOUGH, WAH!”. That being said, I don’t think my preferred lore would be any better: Essentially, all the T’au (Fire, Water, Air, Metal, and Ethereal) live in ostensible equality, much like tankies claim the USSR treated Russians, Ukrainians, and Latvians equally. All contribute to battle: Fire infantry and snipers, Water medics and supply troops, Air pilots and paratroopers, Metal tank/arty crews and engineers, and the Ethereals are the psyker equivalent (depending on if I keep the “ignorant of warp” shtick). Story-wise, I’d probably have Farsight and his enclave borrow a bit from the historical OUN, and they could compete with the main T’au Empire for allies (eg, a Black Templar like Grimaldus could be ordered by Holy Terra to help the main T’au with a Tyranid incursion, only to backstab them in support of Farsight). I know I’d get hate from tankies who’re like “NOOO! YOU CANNOT COMPARE OUR MIGHTY GODEMPEROR PUTIN TO THE SOYJACK T’AU! USSR WAS GOOD! AMERICA BAD!”, and I will laugh at them.

[@CrusaderinBlack]

Hellsreach is the reason I chose Black Templars for my loyalist factiOK. Edit: I know things change over time, I just want to make sure 40K changes for the better. I don't want it to end up like Marvel/ Star Wars/ GOT etc. Where it becomes lame. I also don't want modern politics ruining what I've come to love.

[@bobthebuilder9818]

Nice video. 😃

[@Muir97]

If they could stop mocking the movie for 5 seconds, thatd be great

[@guidokreeuseler9566]

3:00:02 in the original Codex Armageddon (3d edition), one of the Black Templar's special rules was that they did not make a retreat move when failing a break-test but would instead advance 2d6". Don't know if they kept that rule over the later editions.