Watching STARSHIP TROOPERS for the first time! [ REACTION / COMMENTARY ]

[@about37ninjas]

Calling this society Fascist is literally judging a book by its cover. Rico's parents are rich and regularly talk shit about the government, there was no "misunderstanding" with the bugs, the military accept responsibility for their failures, and the media isn't censored during military failures. Vanderhoven failed at satire here because he failed to read the source material or learn the actual theory and practice of Fascism.

[@KelseasComments]

So true!!! I've realized these things since watching. They clearly weren't fascists.

[@macmcleod1188]

Plus they are not led by a dictator, they don't violently suppress opposing points of view, and the form of government is a constitutional republic with limited voter franchise

[@macmcleod1188]

Vederhoeven was traumatized by the German invasion. He came to equate militarism with fascism. By his standard, the Allies were fascists too. The Allies also used propaganda too. He didn't read the book... the writer did... and does in some large sections of the book verbatim. And Busey's son really did learn to play the violin for the movie. Actress is Denise Richards. Y'all missed Zim watching over and assessing the recruits during chow break when Busey tries to cut in line.

[@lich109]

Highly disagree there, the society fits the label of being fascist, but to avoid a long argument let's go over this: per Merriam Webster, a fascist nation is one that "exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." The Federation has a centralized autocracy with a dictatorial leader, they do have severe economic and social regimentation (by way of the civilian/citizen divide), and forcible oppression of opposition (in that only members of the military can vote, you can only participate by furthering the regime). They also find it offensive to believe that Arachnids are anywhere close to humans in terms of intelligence, anytime somebody admits that they're either ignored, mocked, or in shock. Fascism does not require your speech to be oppressed (his parents also do not "regularly talk shit about the government), there clearly was a misunderstanding with the bugs seeing as how even in the movie humans are painted as the aggressors by the reporter, and the media doesn't need to be censored about military failures. Verhoeven did not fail at satire at all, you just don't understand what fascism is.

[@lich109]

@@macmcleod1188 They literally are led by a dictator and they do suppress opposing points of view by only letting citizens vote. Their government is a centralized autocracy, and by doing that (and the points above) they meet every point you need to be fascist.

[@Eric0816]

Fun fact, the women who quit bootcamp after shooting the other recruit in his head married the other actor in real life following the movie. Basically, she killed him and he said "that's my girl".

[@KelseasComments]

🤣🤣🤣 that's hilarious and so adorable! Good for them!

[@Fuzz32]

Guess it wasn’t the last time she blew his mind. 😁

[@KelseasComments]

@Fuzz32 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@guardian1326]

She did say she likes them big

[@42Mrgreenman]

Yeah, weirdly serendipitous...the farm boy and the politician...together forever...really sweet...I wonder, how close were their actual personalities to the characters they played?...

[@skapunker1986]

29:30 "why are they fighting humanoid targets when they are fighting a bug war" Technically at this stage in the movie they aren't at war yet with the bugs. The humans are aware the bugs exist as an alien lifeform, and are considered dangerous. But other than the Mormon Extremists encounter with the bugs, there has not been any major loss of life yet. That all changes after the meteorite strike. Up until that point the bugs were not considered a big threat, more of a nuisance.

[@KelseasComments]

That makes sense!

[@lordmortarius538]

This was one of the last films that really reached that ideal pinnacle of mixing practical effects with CGI. After this most studios decided just to go CG since it was less labor-intensive, but obviously films suffer for it.

[@KelseasComments]

Ya I love practical effects! Wish they were used more often still!

[@Wafaloo]

Also they don’t seem to care about realism anymore. So much CG looks cartoonish as a result

[@SimplyMersades]

This is the closest I've come to hanging out with both of you in over a year! I miss you guys 😭

[@KelseasComments]

I miss you too!!! 😭😭😭

[@toxicrevenuegaming]

This is not fascism. And in a dictatorship, nobody gets to vote. This is a meritocracy. Anyone can live freely in society, but you must earn your right to participate.

[@Zentron]

I saw this movie in the cinema when it was released, I really enjoyed it back then, I still really enjoy it now! It did suck that Diz had to die, she was such a great character and complemented Rico.... but that's why she had to die, in war no-one is safe, friends and family, doesn't matter, could lose anyone in an instance! Also, Paul took a lot of inspiration from the scenes he saw while growing up during the war, as he would regularly have to walk through streets scattered with the bodies of those killed in fighting and destruction. A fun fact about the shower scene, everyone was really uncomfortable with being naked in the scene, Paul wanted to know what the problem was and that is was no big deal, so they said to him if he thought it was no big deal everyone being naked, that he should direct the scene naked himself... which he did without batting an eyelid 😂 I always find that bit funny, because I'm sure they knew that he was Dutch 🤣

[@KelseasComments]

No one is safe.. except Carmen. Who had incredible plot armor for no reason whatsoever other than she's pretty. 🤣🤷 That's crazy to know that Paul saw such horrible things though! I think the shower scene was totally unnecessary so it's a shame he made them do something that made them so uncomfortable! I honestly would have been even more uncomfortable when he enthusiastically joined in the nakedness. 🫣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but it's very funny to think about!

[@Zentron]

@@KelseasComments As the saying goes, don't challenge a Dutchman to get naked 😂

[@KelseasComments]

💀🤣😂😂😂

[@李재성]

Other Notable actors in this movie: Carl: Neil Patrick Harris Sgt Zim: Clancy Brown aka Byron Hadley and Mr Krabs Ace: Jake Busey (Gary Busey’s son) Johnny: Casper Van Dien

[@macmcleod1188]

Note that in the books, the M.I. is only about 10,000 of the federal service positions while billions of other Federal service positions have nothing to do with the military. They even say that if you are crippled and blind they will find a job for you like counting the hairs on the back of a caterpillar so that you can serve your two years of Federal service to earn your franchise. The voting franchise is actually open to more voters than in most democracies before 1919. The M.I. are basically one man brigades with powered armor, small nuclear weapons, missiles, radar, HUD, and the ability to jump in controlled kilometer long arcs while firing at multiple targets.

[@martensjd]

Classic! Heinlein's book came out in '59; I loved it as a kid. The movie's different, but I enjoyed that too.

[@KelseasComments]

I can definitely see why it's a classic! Jarrett did tell me that the book is way different but still great!

[@NemosNightmare]

I'm still working on finishing this one 😅 life got in the way and I set it down. It's time to pick it back up.

[@Muck006]

There is a really REALLY good fan-made audiobook with songs / different voices / accents by just one guy. Deaddroppsd....

[@1957Shep]

@@KelseasComments The movie is good, but they butchered the original story from the book so badly that I wonder why they even bothered to buy the rights to the book. If they had changed the title and character names, few people would have made the connection between the book and the movie.

[@KelseasComments]

@1957Shep ya I've heard from so many people that it's vastly different than the book! I've heard the director didn't even FINISH READING the book! Like what??

[@Lordaramiz]

This was the cutest reaction I've seen for this movie.

[@KelseasComments]

🤣 aww thank you!

[@lich109]

So to answer you question about what Johnny was thinking: mandatory service is two years, and he was assuming Carmen would get her citizenship then and they'd both leave the service as citizens. Also they were shooting humanoid targets because they weren't at war with the bugs yet, it also gives you a pretty good idea of the targets they were expecting to fight (aka dissidents).

[@KelseasComments]

Oh ok that makes sense!

[@aadil1998]

Nah honestly though, dizzy dying was the first time a movie completely broke me, her story was so tragic

[@KelseasComments]

Ya like COME ON. SO FUCKED UP.

[@orangewarm1]

Try Schindler's List

[@drlee2]

To an extent, I get Johnny joining for Carmen even though they had different military specialties and were sent off to train at completely different assignments. I think the idea is that they would both be citizens, so essentially the same status. I think being a couple would have been easier with them both being citizens.

[@KelseasComments]

Ah ok I can see that. Good point!

[@Resedda]

Yes, agreed. Individual needs (such as love) have no place in hyper-centralized societies where lives are worth less than serving a collective towards a common goal, dictated by one or more (in this case more) people. Conviction makes people blind.

[@macmcleod1188]

This movie is proof of cameraman does not always survive.

[@paullandis5524]

Funny how Carmen got over her boyfriend’s brain being sucked out in less than five minutes

[@codymazza7303]

haha she keeps it real

[@chrisking6667]

​@@codymazza7303For sure. She kept it woman.

[@cesarcampos8746]

​@@chrisking6667she pukes at the sight of a bug.

[@macmcleod1188]

I'm pretty sure that was intentional and part of the director satiric intent. His original concept was for a group of youths in 1934 through 1939 Germany which he told the writer about 5 years before the writer got the script to the bug Hunt movie and then Starship Troopers became attached to the property I actually found the adoption to be more faithful than many Hollywood adoptions with better intent. For example the entire School scene is dropped in straight from the book without straw manning the arguments by the teacher.

[@WaywardVet]

"I don't need an open casket funeral" is the most military comment ever 😂. I wish I'd heard that one back in my Army days.

[@chb2551]

The only way that the meteor could have gotten to Earth would be if they had learned how to breed a bug that could create a wormhole. We know that they had to have some kind of space travel to be able to colonize other planets and systems. Being in other systems yet being able to communicate quickly enough to learn the tactics of their enemies from the battles on those planets, there had to be some kind of FTL communications capability. According to many, regarding the media franchise the bugs have Transport bugs that can travel FTL. It's also very possible that they'd found a naturally occurring wormhole to get it within striking distance. According to fan sites, the bugs were the ones who sent the meteor and they had already created a large, star-spanning empire before they even encountered humans.

[@KelseasComments]

Oh interesting!!!

[@fermun]

Jake Busey (Gary Busey's spikey-haired blonde son) did actually learn to play the violin for this role and all scenes of him playing violin are his actual playing.

[@jsanders775]

Federal service isn't just military. And the statement Service guarantees citizenship proves that the civilization in the movie is not a Fascistic one.

[@KelseasComments]

Good point!

[@shawnledragonian]

I loved you two's reaction! You were really engaged with Starship Troopers! Keep it coming!

[@KelseasComments]

Thanks for watching!!!

[@titanuranus3095]

"The Anger Management Guy" XD!

[@StarkRG]

It's the uniforms of the upper ranks that are SS-like, not the MI uniforms. Nobody fresh out of bootcamp would have _any_ idea how to fight bugs since all the training is based on how to fight themselves. It's true that throwing a knife through someone's hand would hinder their ability to push a button on a nuke, but the bugs don't have hands or buttons.

[@KelseasComments]

SO TRUE

[@philnicholson7863]

He's trying to stress learning to rely on more then the easy way.

[@macmcleod1188]

Keep in mind the military training we saw was before the bugs destroyed buenos aires.

[@Kronos74]

I dont want to give anything away proceeds to hint at every upcoming plot point lol.

[@Nomis3586]

YOU ARE GETTING IN WITH FIRST WAWE! YOU SMASHE THE WHOLE AREA YOU KILL EVERYTHING WITH MORE THAN TWO LEGS! YOU GET ME? WE GET U SIR!!!!!! Skickades för 5

[@macmcleod1188]

One thing to consider is that it's likely Paul Vederhoeven's Dutch heritage is showing in the blunt way the characters talk to each other at times. You can see some of this in Ted Lasso also from the Dutch player.

[@damianstarks3338]

Great reaction to this classic Sci fi movie 31:58

[@karcistthurgy3025]

If I were crew on one of those ship, I'd be wearing a spacesuit 24/7

[@mercurioslevin1877]

although its not an official Starship troopers game but there is great mod for Arma 2 in which someone did a RP series, he and a friend roleplayed as reporters following around a squad of players for many rounds and Carmen altering the course of the ship is often an overlooked plot point for first time viewers, they are often reacting to her flirting with him after dumping Rico to notice that.

[@rdraken]

That comment about cheating in paintball reminded me of the last game i played. Got a guy from a hidden possession. He pretended he didn't get hit.... Dumped another 20 rounds into his ankle no hesitation.

[@Atryda91]

This movie and the book have only the title in common, and no, it is not a fascist dictatorship

[@lich109]

One more fun fact: there was a Starship Troopers tabletop game, and the bugs ignored the light Mobile Infantry armour entirely. The only reason you might use it is because it has a small chance to save you from friendly fire.

[@KelseasComments]

Small chance 🤣

[@clansome]

Just looking at the comments on Patreon too. (These movies are stacking up now !!!) My only real amusing thought when I first saw this film was seeing Doogie Howser, I mean Neil Patrick Harris and thinking "My God, how he's grown up" !!!

[@KelseasComments]

I know him as Barney from How I Met Your Mother! So he looked pretty young in this to me!

[@clansome]

@@KelseasComments He was just 16 in Doogie Howser MD and looked even younger !!

[@jasonbeatty831]

If you want to see a really really accurate “shell count” movie, watch Way Of The Gun. Incredible movie, very realistic gunplay.

[@KelseasComments]

Never heard of it!! I'll put it on the list for sure!

[@BobarissGish]

The two people they have lost already are the dead guy breckenridge and the one who took the stroll down washout lane.

[@Kronos74]

He literally shot him right in the heart lol

[@deanwalker9605]

Still some of the best CGI of all time

[@KelseasComments]

So good!!

[@WolfHreda]

That's because they only used it for things they couldn't physically build.

[@KelseasComments]

Yes the practical effects being used as much as possible made it so good!!! Practical effects seem to be a lost art these days!

[@jamesraykenney]

The ships being cut in two with all the decks showing is still unequaled in any show I have ever seen, but it was done with LARGE physical models, not CGI.

[@KelseasComments]

@jamesraykenney ya those scenes were INSANE!!!

[@cliveklg7739]

I always figured that alongside mental abilities there were humans that had higher physical abilities in this setting as well, which explained the jump in the 'football' game. I think Rico would have got the lashes whether he left or not, that is general punishment in that world.

[@KelseasComments]

Well they never really explain it either way so I guess you COULD be right.

[@NemosNightmare]

I mean I can see that, but without context, dude looked like he jumped off a skate ramp 😂

[@42Mrgreenman]

Yeah, you got someone killed, you can't just say, "I quit." and avoid punishment...and as for psychic abilities, it's been forever since I read the book, but I played through the PC game, Terran Ascendancy (2000) recently, and the psychic abilities go way beyond just mental suggestion...brain bugs can literally deflect missiles with their psychic talents...

[@Muck006]

4:10 "They are not a democracy" ... WRONG ... you simply have to EARN THE RIGHT TO VOTE (and to be voted for) instead of "everyone getting it for free". It is a DIFFERENT KIND of democracy ... please stop thinking that "our form of democracy is the only one". Ancient Greece had something like "the representatives were randomly chosen from the pool of eligible people" (or something along that line) ... it is still a form of democracy, where the DIMOS (the people) get to be "the deciders" (politicians) instead of ARISTOCRATS being hereditary leaders or GENERALS taking over!

[@KelseasComments]

Ya you're right. I definitely think he unintentionally misrepresented the government in this movie a few times!

[@Muck006]

This is NOT a "fascist dictatorship" ... Veerhoeven AND "the propaganda" (the reviews of the book) made it out to be fascism ... but you SERVE TO GET THE RIGHT TO VOTE ... so there are ELECTIONS ... and fascism HAS NO ELECTIONS!

[@macmcleod1188]

It's a Constitutional Republic with limited voter franchise. And more federal citizens can view than most pre 1919 democracies.

[@andrewberkin5505]

Saw it when it first came out as a date movie

[@KelseasComments]

Great date movie!

[@JumpingJesus4]

I'm pretty sure that Enders Game was based on Starship Troopers the book.

[@miao_renfeng]

On the bounce!

[@Don-ol8ze]

I didn't get the deeper satirical elements when I was younger. But now that I'm seeing it again and older, it's actually kind of scary how good this film really is.

[@KelseasComments]

It's so fun when you can get a new appreciation for a movie as an adult!

[@TheBennitoz]

"Smash! Medic!" Lol Nice

[@KelseasComments]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 that would have been hilarious!!! Gotta admit!!!

[@JLamstudio]

How does that guy still have perfect hair after sex?

[@KelseasComments]

🤣 Carmen has perfect hair and nails all throughout the movie. Where exactly is she getting her nails down while on active duty??? Maybe having military personnel that care about such things isn't a great choice. 💀

[@JLamstudio]

@@KelseasComments she’d be like, “Bitch!!!! I can’t be shooting no gun with my nails 💅 like this!!!! I need a mani!”

[@archcollie5708]

Hey guys. Time to bug out. I loved Kelsea's empathy to the frightened brain bug being probed. Poor puppy. LOL You have a gentle soul. This creature just orchestrated mass murder and wiped out the starship fleet, but it's sad cute face warranted a cuddle. 😥 Kudos to the special effects. This and other 90's movies like Terminator 2 are visually more realistic than those of this era. Current computer graphics are substandard and bug the hell out of me. It also bugged me how Carmen's wound miraculously healed, but I guess that wasn't the only unrealistic part of this wild ride. Thank you, Kelsea and Jarrett, for the fun reaction. I should bug-ger off now. (I can't help the dad jokes :)

[@KelseasComments]

It definitely needed a cuddle!! 🤣😅 The special effects were so fun! I agree I prefer this style over a lot of what we have nowadays. And I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by Carmen's miraculous healing! Like uh.. you were just impaled but ya let's be totally fine now. Cool. And by the way, dad jokes are my FAV so you can never say too many!

[@NemosNightmare]

Keep the Dad jokes coming!! I really enjoyed finally showing this one to Kelsea. Plot inaccuracies and all 😂

[@gimiwanishkaa]

Based on the commentary at the end, it seems some clarification is in order. First, a timeline: 1) Mormons attempt to establish a settlement on a bug planet. 2) In response to this trespass, the bugs kill the settlers. 3) As further retaliation for the Mormons, the bugs then launch an asteroid at Earth. 4) Carmen narrowly, partially dodges the asteroid. 5) The asteroid strikes Buenos Aires. 6) The Federation traces the origin of the asteroid to Klendathu and declares war on the bugs. 7) The Federation launches their failed assault on Klendathu. The movie just kinda says in a propaganda video that the bugs sent the asteroid without any supporting evidence. In fact, the bugs appear to lack the means of such an attack. I suspect Verhoeven did this deliberately to make the audience question the Federation because he was trying to portray them as Fascists. The book makes it more clear. The bugs have advanced technology (including space ships) and I think they utilized a wormhole to send the asteroid. So the bugs _did_ send the asteroid. And unless you consider a few peaceful Mormons trying to establish a settlement on a bug planet to be an attack, it was the bugs who attacked first. To be fair, the bugs may have considered the Mormon settlement to be an attack, but their response was out of proportion. It would be like if a guy trespassed on my yard so shot him, then I burned his house down with his wife and kids inside. The timeline also explains why they were shooting at human shaped targets in boot camp. At that time, they weren't at war with the bugs. They weren't planning on being at war with the bugs either. If they thought war against the bugs was a likely possibility, they would have some amount anti-bug training or even anti-bug propaganda in boot camp. The fact that there wasn't suggests the Federation was blindsided by the attack.

[@KelseasComments]

OOOOHHHHHH 🤯🤯🤯🤯 wow thank you for this!! That definitely is an important clarification. And makes it more clear that Verhoven was kinda muddying the story to make the humans look worse. That's so interesting!!!

[@NemosNightmare]

I haven't finished the book yet... I've been so damn busy at work I put it down. I need to start back on that. Thank you for the clarification on that. It makes a LOT more sense, and it also makes sense as to the tone and pacing within the movie. Appreciate the comment. Btw this is Jarrett 😂

[@jamesraykenney]

No the bugs sent a ship and nuked Buenos Aires, the asteroid thing was just a movie thing they used because they did not want to show the bugs with technology... Most Hollywood writers have NO (or worse yet, WRONG) science knowledge, and worse yet, no idea of the scale of things. This was just one of the most egregious examples of this. Unless we are supposed to believe that everybody on Earth is totally stupid and totally uneducated, there is no way the government would be able to think about trying a false flag attack like that. Anybody with even a high school knowledge of astronomy would know about the distances to the nearest star, let alone one half way across the galaxy! A rock that big would have to be traveling VERY slowly to not do a LOT more damage than the one in the movie did. Which means that it would take thousands of years just to get from the nearest star to Earth, let alone from the Bugs home solar system!

[@ryank5424]

I was pretty young when this first came out and missed some of the commentary and watched it because it looked like cool sci-fi. It always bothered me why the M.I had no air support or armor (tanks, etc) not even artillery. And I really wonder how some of those ships even made it back with that kind of damage (klendathu invasion).

[@KelseasComments]

Ya... Agreed!

[@CrowVWade]

29:22 😂 his side eye lol 🤯

[@KelseasComments]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Hollow_Vamp]

I wish the new game was on console lol, i used to love the side tv animated series roughnecks too lol

[@KelseasComments]

We were told the animated series is good!! Excited to check it out!

[@essesbaybayan791]

there is a RTS game call starship troopers terran command, its good game.

[@Resedda]

33:10 A lot of material was removed for imposed reasons. That’s why his reluctance seems so inconsistent here, after the whipping. The sentence happened to be the only thing that made the sequence hang together... in a way. But yes, we understand what you mean

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

Flogging. Being whipped like that is called a flogging. It was once used by most nations militaries as a form of severe punishment. It was very common in the English Navy, if a ships captain was too brutal and used it for minor offenses, the ships crew would mutiny.

[@Resedda]

@@My-Name-Isnt-Important Thanks for updating my English vocabulary :)

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

@@Resedda It's an old term, but you're very welcome.

[@LTirishkeg]

Your guys discussion has a lot of the common misconceptions about the film. You didn't discuss all of them, but I figured I list them here for your thoughts: 1. The bugs have interstellar travel. Its mentioned in the film that Rico's desired offworld vacation spot is zegama beach and then later in the film when he meets his new unit its declared its gone, the bugs wiped it out. You have to remember this film is a propaganda film from that movies society. They didnt know the bugs could do that. Carmen is almost killed when that rouge asteroid comes out of nowhere with high gravity. Thats because the bugs can perform interstellar travel and did launch interstellar attacks several times in the film, humans just didn't know that and thought they launched low speed non interstellar spores in asteroids. Later on they knew that to be false and defended against another attack with new weapons on the moon. 2. The human government is not fascist. Its a limited enfranchisement volunteer liberal democratic government. This is shown that you can quit at any time without consequence except you will never be a citizen. Also Rico's parents are super wealthy without being citizens. They even say hes going to Harvard with those shit test scores meaning money still behaves the same way. Also the supreme military authority steps down after the disaster and is replaced by a black women who has better strategy. You never see that in Fascism. Citizens have more rights than civilians but all the civilians can still enjoy most rights except voting or being given preferential allotment for children, which is why the one girl signed up for "many babies" instead of one. Also the film shows a future thats gotten past racism, sexism, and nationalism. Rico is somehow from buenos aires but all his squad mates are from all walks of life. Not a quality of Fascism again. Finally once a citizen you can vote and voting acts like normal liberal democracy. 3. There was no false flag attack. The humans technically started the war by invading arachnid ground. The federations told the mormons not to go and settle, because they knew that was arachnid territory but since its not a dictatorship, they let them go and the bugs slaughtered the "invaders" They, the "Bugs" don't have a concept of government since its a hive mind. So they considered that the start of the war. Just the like the news reporter said on the station " Some say the bugs were provoked by the intrusion of humans into their natural habitat, that a "Live-and-let-live" policy is preferable to war with the bugs. " before rico blasted "I say Kill them all". 4. The film is a book adaptation. The director famously said he never read the book and the script was adapted from something called bughunt on outpost 57 and the script writers said they read like 2 chapters and gave up. The director was a holocaust survivor and wanted to portray how war turns everyone into fascists so in the third act Neil Patrick Harris comes out wearing a Gestapo Uniform but thats surface level stuff only is fascist is the reality of there world isn't true but in the "real world" of the movie the humans are fighting a war for survival so he's correct uniform choice not standing. 5. Its all a propo from there future so the events and news can't be trusted. The news shows them losing over and over and horribly. Thats not standard fascist propo messaging. The last scene with them declaring they will continue fighting and will win can be considered that but the entire movie shows the entire species losing, so that might be just to get new citizens to fight for humanity since its a war for the species at that point. So many people see this film over and over and don't connect the dots. I hope you read this and consider the film differently. Edited for grammer.

[@KelseasComments]

Thanks for all of this!!! Very helpful!!!

[@jackbaxter-williams8059]

You guys are cute

[@Robotrik1]

A recommendation in the franchise for the boyfriend : "Roughnecks : Starship Troopers Chronicles" CGI animation show from the 90's . The first season is kinda slow, but it picks up gradually for a fine overall story . The CGI is 90's CGI, so there's that, but it has a few pluses like the director of this movie Paul Verhoeven as Producer, and a reporter inbeded with the troops to give the audience that third eye perspective, where actions within the show are questioned within the show . If you like the Universe, it definitely adds to the experience , and is overall far better than the following live action movies . As for both of you, if you have the time to do a TV show together, I'd suggest Battlestar Galactica from the early 2000's . Space shit, robots, religion, faith, human triumph and misery a whole lot more with some excellent writing & acting . It starts off with a two episode mini movie, so you have something to try it out with .

[@KelseasComments]

He's my husband!! And I'll pass this on to him thank you for the recommendations!!!

[@alexflores7652]

I saw this movie when it came out back in the summer of 1997. The funny thing is I was in tech school for the Air Force. I was at Shepard AFB, TX in the city of Wichita Falls at the time. I still love this movie cheese and all. The novel is so different, the director never finished reading the book and it shows that director was Paul Verhooven famous for Robocop and Total Recall. This movie is part of the Verhooven trilogy.

[@KelseasComments]

It's crazy to make a movie about a book you've never finished. 🤣

[@alexflores7652]

@@KelseasComments I know right. As you saw my comment on The Last of Us I love seeing your reaction to it. It is a great and sad show at the same time.

[@KelseasComments]

Ya that show was seriously an incredible ride.

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Awesome 😎 movie

[@hettbeans]

This movie is like second only to Grease when it comes to high school students with joint problems and mortgages.

[@KelseasComments]

💀💀💀 so true! I think Carl and Carmen were the most believable.

[@celdur4635]

The arachnids shot the rockets and they can travel faster than light. In the book its very clear they have technology, they shoot lasers at the troopers and send thousands of "drones" to confuse the enemy, etc. The movie has some plot holes since the director wanted to make it more "fascist" like the babies part.

[@raymondamador1487]

He was right the sequels aren't that good and need a serious remake. Great reaction Kelsea. ❤. ☮️ This movie was lacking in military strategy. Not the best move to approach a planet with Anti Aircraft weapons, and park. Traveling towards the planet, you could shoot those launch sites, instead they went straight to them. BTW... since 'space' is zero pressure, and the space ships have 'earth normal' pressure, the change in pressure isn't strong enough to suck anyone out. That's all movie stuff. 🖖😁👍

[@KelseasComments]

Ya the military strategy was non-existent. 😅 just show up and hope for the best pretty much! 🤣 Oh no way?? Well that's very interesting to know! 🤣 them getting sucked out was probably the most horrifying scene for me. The thought of being untethered in space makes my chest cave in. 🫣

[@raymondamador1487]

@@KelseasComments Yes, I saw you cringe at that part. Just wanted you to rest easy, the next time you're flying through space. A strip of masking tape would hold a small leak. I'd feel safer with a strip of stainless steel. ☮️

[@KelseasComments]

TAPE????

[@jamesraykenney]

@@KelseasComments He said a SMALL hole... A big hole you could certainly get sucked out, just not like most movies show with raging winds blowing out for minutes at a time. Most of the air would be gone in a few seconds, and if you did not get blown out, you would suffocate within a minute.

[@KelseasComments]

@jamesraykenney oh gosh!!! 😅

[@macmcleod1188]

45:00 "i have a feeling it will work out for her" Me: 😢😮😢

[@codymazza7303]

he got busted down to pvt for ripping up ricos 1248form

[@macmcleod1188]

Lol. That would be funny.

[@codymazza7303]

@@macmcleod1188 ...serious haha...if u look back he was asking for combat and was told only way was to get busted to pvt then Rico walked in and he saw a chance to get in trouble and get to see some combat.

[@michaelbuhl4250]

48:30 It sounds like you need to watch more Jack Nicholson movies. (I highly recommend Chinatown.) 1:13:40 Your assessment of the asteroid reminds me of the USS Maine in 1889 or WMDs in 2003.

[@jeahavvalentin980]

The live action Voltron movie that'll be directed by Rawson Marshall Thurber that stars Daniel Quinn Toye and Henry Cavill will make this movie look like a joke

[@TheBennitoz]

I actually love the idea of a future where coed showering with no sexual connotation or weirdness is the norm

[@KelseasComments]

Not me! That implies that they didn't have a choice. So that's great for those who feel comfy with it but what about those who would have chosen privacy or modesty or those with religious beliefs? The CO-ED shower thing implies none of those things are an option for anyone anymore. But also, I don't think CO-ED military is a good idea so there shouldn't be a context where it's needed anyway. 🤣 But that's just me!

[@chrisking6667]

​@@KelseasCommentsYou literally just argued the point against Trans people.

[@Don-ol8ze]

@@KelseasComments I think there actually was a purpose to the shower scene. On the surface it seems simply gratuitous, but there are deeper levels of significance: 1) continuing with the idea of making the military superficially attractive; 2) showing aspects of the soldiers as dehumanized, even unnatural; 3) also showing how oblivious they are to their own vulnerability. Note the hangman-noose imagery in the shower scene - excellent foreshadowing.

[@lich109]

I'm glad you caught that it's literally impossible for the bugs to have launched the meteor to Earth. It's easier to blame someone else for a tragedy than to admit that it was just a tragedy, and the sequels are aware if this too. In the third movie the bugs are basically like "what do we have to do to get you to stop this war you're losing?" Edit: had to lose the heart to correct some embarrassing spelling mistakes.

[@KelseasComments]

Here, have another heart. 🤣❤️

[@macmcleod1188]

Per word of God (the director), the bugs did launch the asteroid at earth (vederhoeven in an interview) Plus, in the last fifteen minutes of the movie they mention multiple other planets severely damaged or destroyed by the bugs.. including the vacation planet Rico is tempted with. The bugs are an Interstellar race on multiple planets in the movie. They also have specially bred bugs capable of destroying Interstellar warships in orbit. In the book they have Starships and have subjugated other alien races. But the movie alone plus the Director's statement is sufficient. It wasn't a false flag.

[@lich109]

@@macmcleod1188 Which interview did he say that in? I had tried to look it up before but he refused to give a concrete answer when asked on it. Also in the last 15 minutes they don't say what happened to any other worlds, just that the beach place is "not there anymore", and we don't even know where those worlds are (if they already had arachnids on them for instance). If they'd just launched an asteroid, they could've easily destroyed it with one of their ships, like we see at the start of the movie. How the bugs travel is anything but fast, they need to launch seed pods and wait for those to arrive at other planets. Also the book is inconsequential because the movie all but ignores it.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

Something to keep in mind is that you're watching a propaganda film- very much like the ones from WWII. Some of the events- like Carmen walking around after being impaled through her shoulder - can be glossed over based on the false narrative going on.

[@DavidB-2268]

The animated spin-off series Roughnecks was actually quite good, imo.

[@KelseasComments]

Oh we'll have to check it out! Jarrett has never seen that one!

[@NemosNightmare]

This is Jarrett- I'm super interested in the animated series now. We will have to add that one for either a date night or a reaction.

[@DavidB-2268]

@@NemosNightmare the full title was Roughnecks: The Starship Trooper Chronicles.

[@NemosNightmare]

@@DavidB-2268 thank you!

[@jamesraykenney]

The animated series is very good, but the graphics are not good by todays standards, but the storytelling is excellent. It changes a bit from the movie, and is about half way between the Movie and the Novel as far as the story goes. The humans are a LOT more competent in the animated series, but so are the bugs. In the book the human solders are so well armed and armored that they can EACH take on a hundred or more bugs by themselves, but the bugs outnumber them thousands to one. And the bugs in the book have spaceships and nukes themselves.

[@william_santiago]

That's the funny part of this movie, Verhoeven was so disinterested in the book and just wanted to create a commentary on fascism that he accidentally was rather accurate to the spirit of the book. Verhoeven's incompetence on the story end flipped his whole intent and actually made the OPPOSITE of a fascist government. There is a reason why this movie resonates with people. Fascist governments don't tell the truth. They wouldn't tell of the 100,000 soldiers killed in an hour. Fascist leaders aren't held accountable, yet Sky Marshal Deans publicly takes responsibility for Klendathu and steps down. The only thing fascist in the movie is the dressing. As for the military problems in the movie, you can only be as knowledgeable as the writers. These people don't even know about firearms (don't get me started on the fantasy Glock in a caliber that doesn't exist in "The Dark Knight"), or the military. They couldn't understand they would never set an outpost in a valley. It's a kill zone. They don't know about firearms and shooting discipline, so they couldn't direct them accurately. Verhoeven made the same mistake in "Total Recall." There is a scene where they ambush the the main character Quade by sandwiching him between two groups. Well, if the movie was accurate, they would have all shot each other while trying to shoot Quade. When it comes to the bugs, they DID consider the Mormon settlement as an attack upon their society. Bug society is a hive. They value the soldier bugs as much as MI values ammunition. It matters little that 100,000, or a 100 million die, so long as the objective is achieved. As for the asteroid, the bugs DID fire the asteroid. They used a wormhole to get it across the galaxy to hit Earth. That's how it went undetected through Federation space. By not explaining the asteroid, they gloss over things creating plot holes for the fans. They did this with the Great Eagles in Lord of the Rings trilogy. Low resolution people ask why the Eagles didn't just fly Frodo and the Ring directly to Mordor. Well, the immortal Nazgul, riding their fellbeasts, would have killed them and given the Ring right over to Sauron. Others ask why they weren't involved earlier in the war. They WERE. The Eagles had their own war they were fighting against the allies of Sauron in the North. They just didn't relate it in the movie as was why they didn't show up until the Battle of Marannon at the Black Gate. Side fact: Yes, Jake Busey did play the violin.

[@macmcleod1188]

And there's that one scene where the M.I. is surrounding one of the bugs 360° and firing full auto at the bug in the middle of them. I laugh every time I see that scene.

[@Kronos74]

Meteor was 100% from the bugs. Not Sure where you got the idea it wasn't.

[@TomTomson81]

The only shitty thing about the movie was that Lizzy died and Carmen survived. I didn't like it at all. Otherwise, of course, an absolute cult film.

[@KelseasComments]

I TOTALLY agree. There's no way Carmen survived that initial explosion we saw her in with just a scratch. That part bugged me because it was just so unrealistic. AND THEN they have her survive getting impaled by the bug?? I get it was in her shoulder but like.. she's just walking around after like it's nothing. I call some major bullshit. Plus I didn't like her. 💀 Dizzy was the shit and she didn't deserve to die. I hate that they did that too. But ya, other than that I really loved it! 🤣

[@TomTomson81]

​@@KelseasCommentsWell, it doesn't make sense to look for logic in such a movie. So to think about how people survives or died in the end is actually nonsense. For me, it was all about the emotional level and I have a high sense of justice and I love karma. In this respect, it would have been karmically fair for me that Lizzy lives and Carmen dies. As far as I'm concerned, Carmen could have choked on a bug and died, as long as she was dead and Lizzy is alive and happy with Rico.

[@KelseasComments]

I totally agree with the karmic justice and emotional attachment aspect. But I also think it makes movies way better when they're more realistic about deaths so I highly disagree with you there. It makes zero sense to show Carmen getting engulfed in flames and then show her with just a scratch and looking perfect otherwise. And it makes no sense to have her walking around like nothing happened after getting impaled. It makes it harder to take the movie seriously, which is a bummer because all the other deaths were so gruesome and they did not hold back at all. But no, for her they just bend reality and make us feel cheated because the girl we all hate is too pretty to die or some bullshit like that lol. Obviously there's a limit to how realistic movies like this can be but I think there are aspects that are more reasonable to be unrealistic with and there are aspects that are totally unreasonable to be unrealistic with and the way they handled things with Carmen was totally unreasonable. That's just my opinion!

[@archcollie5708]

I have to laugh at you two having an in-depth conversation over what's unreasonable and unrealistic. Love it! @@KelseasComments

[@KelseasComments]

​@@archcollie5708hey I'M PASSIONATE 💀

[@jasondo3001]

I recently watched Paul Verhoeven’s 1992 film “BASIC INSTINCT” again. It still holds up. Although seeing it now, it’s kinda tame. There were so much controversy around the sex scenes at the time, now?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂. I would say even “THE AMERICANS” is more risqué. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Still a damn good movie though. Season 2 of THE WHITE LOTUS 🪷 definitely has more explicit scenes. Shows how time has changed.

[@KelseasComments]

Times have definitely changed that's for sure!

[@clansome]

@@KelseasComments But US TV censorship is absolutely nuts. Cable seems to overcompensate as a result.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

Some key things- "School" seems to go on longer- maybe to age 20 or so, but has more courses on things like Xenobiology. The indoor football has concrete floors and minimal safety equipment. The players seem enhanced - possibly on state approved steroids. Rich people can get their kids into Harvard despite dismal math scores. They show a huge array of guns around the moon to destroy any inbound meteors. That's no where in sight when the meteor strikes. Carmen's ship would never have encountered the meteor if she hadn't adjusted their course to show off. The bugs have no spaceships- and no way to launch a meteor across the GALAXY. With no faster than light travel, the "bug meteor" would have taken millions of years to hit Earth. The entire meteor attack was a "false flag" to justify war against the bugs. The uniforms are intentionally Nazi inspired- grey and black- with Karl's trenchcoat being patterned after the SS. They REALLY wanted to drive home that yes, you're rooting for the Nazis. The special effects still look better than most effects today- they used both practical and CG to give a great blend of awe and gore that looks very believable. They made huge studio models for the spaceships- particularly the ones being destroyed. They also made life sized Arachnids, so the actors weren't just emoting to a green screen.

[@KelseasComments]

Great comment!! Thank you for all the insight and information!

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

@@KelseasComments I had typed all that before the movie ended- you got the important stuff that other reactors alwaymisd- particularly the whole "false flag" of the meteor attack. The people are so conditioned NOT to think critically about stuff like that- so whatever the government tells them is just accepted.

[@KelseasComments]

SO TRUE. The government would NEVER lie. Right? 🙄

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

@@KelseasComments What's amazing is that this was released in 1997- long before the US "call to war" over 9/11 and the half-assed invasion of Afghanistan.

[@andrewberkin5505]

the skinnies in the book were humanoid

[@jonmcguffin9453]

How in the world have you overlooked two of the highest rated and most watched Netflix short series? WEDNESDAY and THE QUEEEN'S GAMBIT. Both are outstanding! Add them to the list.

[@KelseasComments]

I've seen them unfortunately! I absolutely loved the Queen's Gambit, one of my favorites of the last several years! Wednesday wasn't really my thing but I watched it with my daughter and she loved it.

[@RandyWhite-e6t]

This is late 90s

[@MakotoAtava]

Rico killed Dizzy not the bugs, change my mind.

[@KelseasComments]

I mean I don't think Rico killed her, nothing leading up to her death was directly his fault. But you could definitely argue that her love for Rico led to her death! She died because she was desperate to be with him. But when it comes down to direct actions, the bugs killed her. Plain and simple. Lol.

[@MakotoAtava]

@@KelseasComments Do you know the line "do not remove the object in the event of a stake injury"?

[@KelseasComments]

@MakotoAtava oh ya for sure I have no idea why they took those out!!! If that's what you meant then ya. They killed her. 🤣 could have left those in and she wouldn't have bled out as fast and maybe they could get her to one of those tanks or something!

[@delfakapriadi1742]

Next Reaction film 300 Spartan 👍👍

[@KelseasComments]

I'll put it on the list for sure!

[@delfakapriadi1742]

@@KelseasComments Okay im waiting 👍👍

[@killermist]

Paul Verhoven definitely had an agenda from the start. He cherry picked a few little things out of the book and ignored the rest. But the movie was and is good fun with good replay value. And it led me to read the book, which has a much more nuanced view on just about everything.

[@KelseasComments]

Definitely a fun watch and I'm sure the book is so much better and more nuanced like you said!

[@chrisking6667]

Straight out mate. I read the book after seeing the film as a 10 year old, obsessed with the film. I didn't quite understand how they were so different. 20 years of life later and you get it. I own a first edition copy of the book and now hate what that prick did to it.

[@KelseasComments]

@chrisking6667 that's such a bummer! Haven't read the book but I know how frustrating and heartbreaking a bad book to movie adaptation can feel so that's really sad to hear!

[@brandoncadaret6621]

in the book all of the Mobile Infantry are supposed to be in a mech similar to the Marauder mechs from the 3rd movie. The anime is closer to the book than the movie.

[@forkittens]

the anime: starship troopers 1988, invasion 2012, or traitor of mars 2018?

[@brandoncadaret6621]

@@forkittens The anime from 88 bud. and what I meant by that was the use of mech like armor.

[@forkittens]

@@brandoncadaret6621 watched it. was great. good recommendation. 8/10

[@Carlos-Dangerous]

It’s not Fascism! It’s Democratic Fascism. 🤣 “Citizens” can vote.

[@KelseasComments]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jamesraykenney]

It is not Fascism in any way in the book at least... It is a limited democracy... People need to look up what the word Fascism actually means, though I have notices that a lot of online dictionaries have added extra sections expanding the definition to cover things that no one in WW2 would have recognized as Fascism.. In the book, no one that was still IN the military could vote, only veterans. This was done specifically to prevent a military dictatorship. The ONLY privilege you got was being able to vote. Most people did not care about voting because they were happy with the way things were being run, as prosperity seemed to be the norm, not the exception. Rico's parents were rich, but not citizens, in fact it was implied that they were much more wealthy than most citizens.

[@Kinglizard220]

Tbh, i dont really care about the political commentary of the movie or "how accurate it is to the source." There's a lot of movies that are generally or vastly different from the books that arent held to such a standard that people hold their comparisons for Starship Troopers. Its a really good movie with some great classic effects that ya dont see much of anymore, the other movies are alright imo. Just not as good as the first forsure.

[@KelseasComments]

This is how I feel too! It's a great movie, regardless of everything else.

[@iverjhonquispetoledo2304]

is that tobey maguire?

[@ironhide238]

Why Enders Game, Robert Heinlein wrote the Book Starship Troopers in the 50s, the Best from Enders Game was the Score by Steve Jablonsky. Next thing you know, you never compare a book with a film. Because changes always have to be made in order to offer something new or they are simply not relevant to the plot. Everyone who reads a book is the director and has their own ideas, the same with a film adaptation. It's the director's version!

[@KelseasComments]

I'm not sure what you're asking with that first part there. I don't remember the score of enders game specifically. I should watch the movie again. The book is one of my favorites though. I absolutely loved reading it when I was younger. I read Enders Shadow too and loved that one. As far as the rest, I agree and disagree. I do think adaptations can be good and bad but I also agree it's sometimes better to just not compare them at all. But when you love the source material, it's hard not to.

[@ironhide238]

@@KelseasComments It's generally about comparisons. It's like Ender's Game! But one should rather say: Ender's Game steals a lot or felt inspired by Starship Troopers - whether from the film or the novel. It's like the people who celebrate Twilight but in reality have no idea about the real werewolf or vampire mythology. without addressing or condemning you personally. I just find it exhausting and annoying to hear people always say they think the book is better than the film. As mentioned, you shouldn't forget the differences. Some things have to be changed and Starship Troopers, for example, had a budget of 100 million dollars. In the novel, the soldiers have exoskeletons or larger suits (I read the novel in 1997 and haven't read it since). But it wasn't possible due to production costs and the film wasn't actually supposed to be called Starship Troopers. The rights to the novel were bought to avoid a lawsuit and in the end the original was used little. The character Dizzy does not exist as a woman in the novel but is a mixture of two male characters. Enders Game I only know the film and it wasn't bad, but the music particularly stood out and the rest was uninteresting to me. I'm also someone who hardly finds time for a novel anymore. I read a lot when I was at school, but it was a long time ago.

[@KelseasComments]

@ironhide238 I never said they took anything from Ender's Game I said part of the concept reminded me of it. I read that book long before seeing this movie. But I never implied Ender's Game inspired this or anything. I'm not sure why you find people's opinions exhausting and annoying. I usually just move on if I don't agree lol. But I do understand that this film wasn't intended to be a perfect adaptation of the book and I never read the book anyway so I really don't have an opinion as far as comparing it to the novel. I will say however, that Ender's Game the book is much better than the movie. 🤣 although I do think they did a decent job adapting it and there are actually a few things I like about the movie better than the book. It's just hard to get all the same magic in a book and vice versa. Which is why I do sort of agree that you can't always compare. Or shouldn't anyway. The book is fantastic. If you ever have time to read a novel you should consider it. I'm definitely going to pay attention to the score the next time I watch the movie!

[@jhlam8786]

😂 😂😂 Paul Verhoeven just had to sneak in a co-Ed shower scene 🎬 !!!! That no one talks about!!! 😂😂😂 Imagine a movie today doing that!!!! Movies now are so sterile! Thank you Paul! You’re a master. Basic Instinct Benedetta SHOWGIRLS Black Book

[@KelseasComments]

🤣 so unrealistic. I'm sorry but if the fate of the world revolves around a coed military winning in good old fashioned warfare we're FUCKED. Imagine being on a unit with a bunch of women and you get your leg blown off and you have to rely on a woman to carry you to safety. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 no thanks. We watched Saving Private Ryan today! It'll be up on Patreon soon. But like... CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THOSE UNITS WERE CO-ED??? It's laughable.

[@archcollie5708]

What about the woke push for total equality? Let's be honest, men and women are different. Get over it. All humans should be treated equally, but that does not cancel the freedom of choice. Women do what women want to do, and men do what men do. Naturally, the outcome will differ. There are more male bricklayers and concreters, and more female teachers and nurses. First responders are gender mixed, but there have been instances of life endangerment when the female paramedic is unable to lift a heavy patient. Same goes for the police. We need to be aware and think and act carefully as to how m/f equality is determined. I can't wait to watch SPR. Did you cry? 😥I know I will.

[@JLamstudio]

@@KelseasComments “Sarah, you’re on. Let’s Go!!! March!!!” “Uhhh, sarge…it’s my time…” “YES, It’s your turn! Let’s Go!!!!” “No, I mean, it’s my time of the month.😥”. 😐🫤. “And?? You can’t walk?!? You can’t aim?! YOU CANT SHOOT?!?? Because it’s YOUR TIME OF THE DAMN MONTH?!?? Well, I’m sure glad you can tell time, Corporal. Now, let’s see if you can tell the difference between a friendly and an ENEMY. Get the €#%£ UP!!!!!!!!”

[@JLamstudio]

@@KelseasComments wait!!! Annie was able to pull Paul Sheldon out of his car wreck and carry him through that blinding snow ❄️ storm 🌨️ in MISERY!!!!!!!!

[@KelseasComments]

​@@archcollie5708yes. We should all be treated with equal respect but we should also still acknowledge our differences and strengths versus weaknesses. If my house is burning down, I don't want to see a woman firefighter. Sorry. I want big strong men to come help. And if I were a man, I certainly would not want to go into war with women by my side. I don't think that makes men terrible if they feel that way. There are a lot of jobs that society (and its infrastructure) rely on that women just simply can't do and no one should want them to. 🤣 and vice versa!!! Saving Private Ryan was FANTASTIC!!! I did cry. But not like I did in Schindler's List - thank God. It was by far the best war movie I've ever seen though! And one of the best movies I've ever seen just in general!

[@guardian1326]

I prefer the book to the movie, but I still like the movie. Aside from most of the names, galactic war, and places, it has really nothing in common. The reason those targets were human shaped is because in the book, there is another alien race called the Skinnies. They are humanoid and allies of the bugs. Also, there is an animated series called Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles, two additional live action movies, and two animated movies. The second movie ( Hero of the Federation) was low budget and not well recieved. The third movie (Marader) was better, but added musical numbers. The two animated movies ( Invasion and Traitor of Mars) are excellent.

[@KelseasComments]

Musical numbers?? Oh no.. 🤦

[@guardian1326]

@KelseasComments yes. One song is called "It's a good day to die

[@KelseasComments]

Oh geez. 🤣

[@toxicrevenuegaming]

Definitely not fascism. And in a dictatorship, nobody gets to vote. This is a meritocracy, like all governments should be. You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. 😂

[@KelseasComments]

@@toxicrevenuegaming Yes I've definitely learned this. 🤣

[@johnjoseph2010]

1:15:08 regardless of "whars her name" rerouting their ships course, the Lunar defense grid should have been able too defend against it. The asteroid was allowed too hit earth for a "False Flag" operation.

[@macmcleod1188]

The director said in an interview it was not a false flag. And the defense grid we see at the start shooting the missile was built in the year after Buenos Ares was hit. As a side note, in the movie near the end they list off the other human planets the bugs destroyed including the vacation planet. And the bugs are an Interstellar race in the movie (multiple planets in multiple systems).

[@johnjoseph2010]

@@macmcleod1188 depends on the interview the director has taken several stances on this movie particularly. I wasn't referring to the unclaimed mormon* colonists and the bugs later hit the vacation planet yes. But where does it say it was built a year later when we see what's her name flying around in during her pilot training.....

[@macmcleod1188]

@@johnjoseph2010 When it says, "One Year Ago" after they wipe on the planet. So at the start of the movie they say the bugs are sending another meteor and the the upgraded planetary defenses stopped it (and show it being blown up) . Then they show the invasion and Rico getting "killed" on camera. And then the movie says, "One Year Earlier" and they cut to Carmine, Carl, Dizzy, and Rico in high school civics class. And the next hour of the movie is a flashback. Johnny joins the military and roughly 4-6 weeks later Buenos Ares was hit. Finally the timeline catches up and Rico gets it in the leg. I'm not trying to bust your chops... lots of people miss the flashback aspect of the movie and its implications on the timeline they have internalized.

[@johnjoseph2010]

@@macmcleod1188 fair enough

[@digger66a]

idk i think Marauders is ok but the 2nd one is pretty much trash

[@lich109]

So a quick thing about the sequels, Starship Troopers is one of the very few series where none of the movies loses the plot. Every single one of them keeps the theme of "fascists who don't know they're fascists" and every single one shows this as a terrible thing. Don't get me wrong though, the sequels are nowhere near as good as the original, though I think 3 at least is a decent movie if you can get past the low budget (it had about 10% the budget of the first one, that's not a joke).