Water Based vs Oil Based White Gloss Paint, which is best?

[@krazytroutcatcher]

As a painter with varied experience over forty years, motor trade, industrial, commercial and domestic, I have had the opportunity to use an array of paint types. However, the problem in a domestic application is using solvent based paints, if the home was empty, it was fine, use the paint as it stands, or use a paint drier, the paint drier was horrendous, even for an experienced painter, brilliant for speeding up drying time, but the increase in vapours could literally be eye watering. As you state, water based stays whiter, and dries quicker, although I have found some paints never feel truly dry, they have a tacky feel to them, as opposed to oil based on the surface feeling dry, but soft. In service, the oil based dries, and does turn yellow, but yet it’s very easy to clean from handprints etc. This isn’t the case with water based paints, I have found this to go softer and tackier in areas where the paint is handled, bannister rails and around door handles. The paint seems to harbour dirt and germs, requires much more regular cleaning, and the softness causes the paint to roll off when cleaning. I believe the technology has a way to go yet, and myself am considering a move back to oil based, the children have left home now, so the risk is all mine.

[@wanjevi]

@mr dugs its only white that can show or turn yellow the other colors are ok.. And it turns yellow faster when its closer to a wall lamp or bulb

[@McGovern1981]

Yep they keep pushing latex, but what I've seen is oil based is way tougher so you have to paint less. Also on metal I'd never use latex.

[@elwrongo]

As above, oil based paints are much more hard wearing.A pain to apply but longevity is threefold. I've also found satin enamel white does not yellow, don't know why

[@mryan4452]

​@@elwrongoyou look at water based wood paint the wrong way and it falls off. Have you any brand for the satin enamel white?

[@peckelhaze6934]

I use Leyland and it is great. Cleaning is just minutes and in that time the paint is dry. Easy to apply as long as you don't dither, I brush it on the roller it for smoother effect. A great review.

[@mufuliramark]

Really helpful wee video. I’ve already started using water based gloss due to the ease of clean up, but you’ve settled the matter for me as to what they all do. Cheers for the effort.

[@Dolko71]

I used to be a painter back in the 90’ in Sweden. The waterbased paint was then fairly new, so we used both. But I dont’t think, unless the customer is adement, that any painter uses oil based paint in Sweden or has done since at least 2000, when we are talking about cover paint (or what you call it in the UK).

[@budte]

I qualified as a house painter and decorator in the late 70s. Yes, I have seen a few yellow radiators, but most of the time people will naturally want to redecorate long before any paint goes yellow. I have never ever really come across this yellowing as a real issue to consider. The primary purpose for painting is protection of whatever you are painting. Aesthetics are secondary. A good quality oil-based or solvent based as they are now called absolutely wipes the floor with water-based in my view. Although there was quite a good microporous water based product I used many year ago. As for smells, it is for 24 hours no more. Most people just need to open a window or stay out of it. Your maintenance cycle will be longer with oil-based paints. I expect there are some reasonable water-based wood paints now, but that is all they are, reasonable. The best paint for wood I have used is Sikken Onol, Satura and Rubbol. If you twisted my arm and made me use water -based Sikkens do water-based versions too. Most trained painters will tell you you cannot put a gloss coat (oil-based) directly over another (as you did for demonstration purposes) and they are right. Gloss is the hard shiny protection against the outside world, but dry gloss is shiny/slippy and one function of undercoat is to provide effectively a softer non-slip coat between those two hard shiny gloss coats - if you have ever sanded down gloss and it just peels off, this is because someone did not undercoat - however, there is one exception when you can compromise and gloss directly onto gloss and that is how you did it in your demonstration - ie. within 24-36hours (depending on weather). During that time the first gloss coat may be touch dry, but still curing and in doing so it draws air in. This creates suction. Paint a second coat during this time and the suction will pull the second coat onto the first and they will bind together - but the finish will not be quite so good as the same suction will grab the paint and stop it levelling out so easily. This is useful on exterior woodwork where you want to get an extra thickness of gloss for protection.

[@221b-Maker-Street]

I can't get my head around the _look_ of gloss paint. It somehow looks so... 1970s cheap and uninspiring. 😳 A dead flat eggshell or similar just looks so much classier. Am a fan of the F&B paints - the *Modern Eggshell* is ballsy enough that it used to be called floor paint. Prep it right, and it lasts brilliantly - also the pigment quality compared to other brands is superb - there is so much depth that you just don't get with other brands.

[@budte]

@@221b-Maker-Street F&B is sh*te from a quality perspective. It is how paint was made in Victorian times. I have never heard of eggshell being classed as a floor paint nor do I believe it would last long being walked on. The primary purpose of professional painting is to protect whatever you are painting. What is popular aesthetically changes and goes round in cycles.

[@mryan4452]

​@@budtecan I paint oil based directly on to water based paint? If so, does it need an undercoat / primer?

[@budte]

@@mryan4452 The short answer is yes. With possible exceptions. The old water-based paint must be solidly attached to its substrate. Generally a gloss finish can be painted over a gloss (with undercoat) or matt finish, but a matt finish will not go well over a gloss finish. Primer is for new or problem (friable) surfaces. Putting primer on previously painted sound walls and wood in normal circumstances is a con.

[@mryan4452]

@@budte thanks. I realised my question wasn't detailed enough it will be satin oil based painted over satin water based in the bedrooms and I think it's probably a water based gloss ill be painting over in the halls (I didn't paint it but it looks to be glossy, it's a little yellow and dull so difficult to tell). So in this case can I paint oil based over water based? If so would it be sufficient to just sand it to remove any possible loose bits and to create a better 'key' for the new paint, and then go ahead and paint with the satin oil based. Judging from you're saying a primer won't be needed for painting oil based over water based, I only asked that because of the different compositions of the paint (in my mind I have oil and water don't go together well lol) I guess whether or not I will need an undercoat will depend on whether the new paint sufficiently covers the old paint with one coat? If it doesn't presumably I'll need an undercoat.

[@davidjeffreys9063]

I have to use oil based gloss for work sometimes when the need arises, and at the start i didn't like the sound of using the water based but i think with me it's got to a stage that i want to try it out. I think when you are painting doors etc and you have to deal with the smell, plus any possible runs you get at the corner of panels, the time it takes to dry, and especially when you have to clean up and put tacky equipment back in the van with a fear of anything tipping over and getting it on stuff you wouldn't want it on, i just can't wait to be able to wash my brush and trays out under the tap and not have to worry about it, plus how quick it would dry too compared to oil based paints. Love the Geordie accent by the way followed by the Jimmy Nail grin. I'm glad you told me al aboot that. Many Thanks

[@derekdaly1300]

Many years ago I worked for Synthetic Resins who made the base resin for paints (among other things) we had a resin for paint which was oil based but didn't yellow. At the time it was considered too expensive to use in the domestic setting but I suspect the real reason is because if the paint didnt yellow they would sell less paint.

[@221b-Maker-Street]

My (now-deceased) house-proud and cleaning obsessed Auntie, used to wash her white gloss woodwork down with bleach every week. Unsurprisingly - to her dismay - it turned yellow fairly quickly. 😳

[@alansandom5057]

As a non painter, water based gloss is not a gloss but more a satin finish. I find it difficult to get good coverage without brush marks ! Where cutting in around edges first and then filling in have yet to get anything like a good finish, at best one can say it's clean and bright!

[@jackt6112]

A friend used to have a saying, "You don't know what you don't know." If we grew never having experienced cars, selecting the best horse would be our only consideration. If we grow up never having experienced oil, picking the best latex would be our only consideration. Waterborne Acrylics can get pretty hard and shiny, but their combination of sealing, hardness, and getting that new-house sprayed-on smoothness that those who use oil are accustomed to getting is simply not an expectation that latex users have, and unconsciously came to regard the typical latex orange-peel finish as desirable, even though they would find a car or anything else they would buy with such a finish as poor workmanship and cheap looking. I'm currently working on a house with plaster that was built in 1950 and previously lived in a house built with drywall in the 1970s. Two rooms had wallpaper. When I removed the wallpaper I was amazed at how smooth the walls were. The other areas have been subsequently painted with latex. After talking to old painters who today mostly work in latex, I will be sanding the walls and using oil-base paint. The quality and hardness and soundproofing of the the walls make the newer house I used to live in look cheap. The 1950's house has all oak hardwood floors except the kitchen and bathroom, which beats the plywood and carpet of the newer house. It's all brick, which I power washed and sealed with Masonry 5801 Clear Sealer and the house, chimney, walkways, and driveway that are like new, don't even get wet in the rain and ice. I learned that if the brick, wood trim, or oak cabinets had been painted, the appraised value for insurance would be quite a bit less. I was surprised when insurance appraised it a 5x what I paid for it, for which I can't contest since it has been confirmed by other houses that have recently sold in the area. At first I viewed the rounded, and sculpted corners of the wall to ceiling joints as old looking. I've come to realize that is true because it is expensive and people won't pay for that. High-end houses still use cement board, plaster, and real oak floors today, it's just that in the 1950s, everyone built their houses like that. I do not see that quality going into the new houses being built in the neighborhood even though there are things I like in them too. As you might guess, I'm remodeling it. After deciding against steel, I had a new roof of architectural shingles put on the house and garage. The kitchen had rust coming from under the rim of the sink, and the bathroom had a hairline crack in the sink that didn't leak, but had both countertops replaced with granite and the kitchen sink with granite, and bathroom with porcelain. I replaced 60 amp fused electrical with 150 amp, with 70 amp and natural gas to the garage for the furnace, welder, EV outlet, and 6 1/2 hp air compressor, and steel I-beam for hoist. I finished the inside of the garage with natural OSB with floor urethane. About all that is left is to replace the current galvanized plumbing with up-sized PEX-A and a circulation pump, but may try gravity first, and the stairs need new treads and risers.

[@terencebennison6275]

Never liked oil based paint so I didn't need much convincing to use water based. Great vid thanks.

[@firehorse74]

I used dulux gloss went yellow within 2 weeks moved to johnstones (Leyland) its fantastic stays white, that said the dulux 10x diamond satinwood is very good and stays white!

[@seychelles44]

Do you not sand between gloss coats? I’ve also found using a brush on water based paint leave brush marks. Is it best to water down and give two coats?

[@ParisLondonRoma]

My main problem with latex paint is "blocking." If you paint shelves, tables etc with latex, things will stick to the latex surface well after its dried. I don't know how many times I've gone to move magazines and books off of latex shelves and paper rips right off and stays stuck to the paint

[@ParisLondonRoma]

@Strve Sit Sounds interesting I'll give it a try

[@Jamesisapayne]

Great video, very informative and helped us decide to go for water-based gloss over oil - would like to have seen the tests done with a brush as well just to see how the brush marks come out as I've found with water-based paint it obviously dries a lot quicker and doesn't seem to flatten out as well as oil-based paint.

[@GosforthHandyman]

The flattening out is all down to the drying time - you can get additives (e.g. Floetrol) for water based paints to increase the drying time for a smoother finish. 👍

[@losttheplot26]

Damp cloth wipe down first helps with flowing out. I use a paint conditioner called flotrol just a cap full in 2.5 gloss gives longer wet edge and helps achieve flawless finish

[@markgough2452]

Thanks for that. Really well explained and filmed and illustrated.

[@figogaati1064]

If you've still got that mdf board then it would be nice too see how the paints have yellowed please 🙏

[@garethdavies7564]

the best water base gloss i have used is johnstone's aqua gaurd gloss

[@jamestroke9522]

Great video mate. I love Leyland primer undercoat it one of the best out there. Try the leyland oil based satinwood, it’s an amazing paint for high traffic areas, like doors and banisters and gives a real quality finish. Cheers James

[@nitroex4767]

Yes oil base has its advantages and disadvantages, I’m going all over to waterbased, not for the environment or the finish, I spray and 99.9% of customers don’t care if it’s a colour change or spruce up with minimal prep. I’m not a cowboy, been a dec for over 35 years, I wouldn’t say standards are slipping but the customers especially in London want the cheapest and quickest quote, so that’s what I give them! Waterbased so easy to clean and no fumes! My hands are actually clean first time in years!

[@purnp5897]

Completely agree from another painter in London

[@mryan4452]

This is why I try to keep tradesmen away from my house. You look at water based paint the wrong way and it falls off. Thankfully I only painted one room of skirting board with the garbage. Going back to proper oil based.

[@keveen2]

Really useful sort of test. Logical. The deciding factor for me is that I'm just about to DIY paint some indoor windows and because of the weather there is no way I'm using oil based gloss because of the horrible smell and I won't want to keep windows open. I will probably continue o use gloss outside.

[@MartiA1973]

Never used water based undercoat / gloss combinations before but been keen to try so bought the Valspar combination. Found your vid incredible useful and well produced. The high speed with voice over is a lesson many KZbin instruction video makers should learn from. First coat of U/C now done and I'm planning to follow your suggestion and try a roller for the gloss. One thing I have noticed; the water based settles easily so either get the shop to spin it up on their shaker or dance around the room shaking the can like a junkie looking for a hit.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Once you get the hang of it it's great - very different to oil based! Work quick! 👍

[@franidance6565]

What about water based versus oil based undercoat? Ive just moved to a new home where the vinyl has blown on my MDF kitchen units so instead of getting a new kitchen or even replacing the cabinet doors I decided to save myself the expense and paint the cabinets myself after removing the vinyl. I followed your other video on this and going great guns until I ran out of undercoat (water based) and bought a large tin of oil based. Nightmare! The mess, the awful fumes. I found it easier to control drips with water based. My lovely brush is soaking now. It was all light and easy to use, now its in smelly turps and my whole place stinks of fumes from just doing one cabinet. Shame I didnt read the tin. I feel I want to give it away and go back to the water based. Makes the job way too horrible!

[@oscar38]

Water based undercoat is a dream. Wb gloss is barely glossy, it's dreadful

[@brucey39]

I recommend using a brushing additive like floetrol or other for water based pants .

[@grahambull5802]

OK so you have painted a sample on a flat surface but how about doing a window frame with thin bars ??

[@dominicoconnell8491]

Why is it when I'm painting wood doors and frames currently with oil based gloss that 30 seconds after painting it on, if I go back over a spot I just did it's peeling off?? The doors have previous paint on from a long time ago. I've cleaned all with sugar soap then wiped it off. I'm lightly sanding (keying) prior to painting

[@mccordja]

Great video; however, would like to see some durability test... for example, repetitive scratching of a fingernail on each to see how they hold up in comparison. Kitchens are places where this would happen frequently. I only hear about and haven’t found true test. Thanks again for you informative video.

[@joedeberker]

I've used all of these. Like the Leyland primer/Undercoat but not a fan of the water based glss, it's very thin and dries too quick , I much prefer Albany water based gloss from Brewers which is thicker and dries a bit slower.

[@sparkplug964]

Great video, thanks for the heads up, are there any other brands out there worth looking at?

[@screwtube14]

Switched to water based a while ago love it and the leyland stuff is pretty good. Harder to work with but the benefits outweigh the bad. Clean up is a doddle too! Nice video.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers bud!

[@jackwardley3626]

still mostly use flat oil and oil eggshell for walls and cellings just gives a superior finish to emulsions

[@algypan]

I swear by the layland acrylic undercoat on all woods, unless there is heavy staining (water stains and such), But I usually use the oil based layland high gloss as a finish coat. But I may try the acrylic gloss from layland after this vid. Thanks! Plus a bonus is I can clean with water! That reminds me actually, recently I'v noticed paint cissing when I using the layland oil gloss over the water based undercoat. It never used to be an issue but I seem to be plagued by it at the moment... not sure where I'm going wrong

[@mahlapropyzm9180]

Good video. Yes wb is not as glossy, but it is so much nicer to use, dries quick and cleans up easily. Stays white and you don't get runs and curtains like with oil based. A few decades of oil based coats one atop the next usually looks awful - jammy with all the previous imperfections showing through. On the downside, the water based isn't very resistant to household chemicals, especially meths (though you can use it to 'polish' out brush marks if they are really bad).

[@anthonyperkins7556]

Gloss paint, being oil based, can also be a fuel in an accidental house fire, and as such you must NEVER EVER use it on polystyrene ceiling tiles as it holds a flame once ignited and this can also help spread a house fire rapidly.

[@anthonyperkins7556]

@Days Kay Some people still use them though for certain rooms though. Gloss paint on wood is a still a danger because if a house fire breaks out, it too will burn easily and rapidly with black smoke (gloss paint is oil-based).

[@Dewsdale]

I’m using the dulux paint. Should I give a light sand up between coats ?

[@lolymoha7463]

My problem is dirt my sun put his oily and dirty hands every day on the walls I have silk paint but when I scrub the paint come on the sponge so I want to use gloss paint.is gloss paint good for Washing are both water based and oil base good to resist scratches from scrubing or is oil based better . Hope I will get an answer. Thank you

[@nunomarques5419]

Hi, could I apply a coat of water based gloss over acrylic paint to finish it, so would be more look like oil gloss finish? Thanks

[@robertgoldbornatyout]

Thank you for sharing your hard-earned experience and know-how with us!! Excellent content and commentary on the video, including your replies in text. Truly nice work. Many thanks.

[@Budget-Cars-And-Bikes]

Super helpful videos :) One question, I have ordered some Leyland undercoat, and water based Gloss, but I want the kitchen units in the Leyland White, and the doors in a Sky Blue, but Leyland don't seem to do any others Colours apart from Black or White? so can you suggest any water based Colour gloss paints for my MDF doors? Thanks :)

[@GosforthHandyman]

Dulux Trade water based Satinwood (custom mix) - lovely paint, satin finish. 👍

[@hEV6060842]

I'm doing a big job in Jesmond at the mo, using johnstones water based undercoat and water based satin for the first time. Its ok to use, just hate the fact it kills your brushes

[@GosforthHandyman]

Have you tried Floetrol? I normally use it with something like this brush-wise: www.screwfix.com/p/wooster-silver-tip-synthetic-bristle-paint-brush-2/8483g

[@hEV6060842]

@@GosforthHandyman I've got a wooster brush, but I bought some cheapy synthetics from johnstones to use :)

[@andrewclarkehomeimprovement]

I can't remember the last time I painted with gloss. Most everyone now wants eggshell. In my experience oil based will tend to yellow where it's not exposed to daylight. One issue you didn't cover is in service, if you're painting water based over a previous oil based paint, you may get an issue with bonding. Oil and water don't mix! So an intermediate primer may be necessary such as Zinsser Cover Stain. Oh and brushes, Harris Platinum, pack of 5 on eBay, £4.99 delivered, use a couple of times and chuck, it's not cost/time effective to clean and they never clean as new anyway.

[@MrJimtimslim]

Hamilton don't make brushes called platinum. I should know, the wife works for them.

[@andrewclarkehomeimprovement]

@@MrJimtimslim autocorrect fail, should be Harris.

[@officialWWM]

I have 2 questions. What does waterbased look like after a few years and what's it like for outdoors use.

[@wskripka1]

What about a primer, should it be Water base or Oil Base ?

[@doh1959]

im an amateur but can only give my experience.tried water base gloss has no smell at all which is great easy to clean drips off carpet if accident brushes clean easily.the down side is if you try and work the paint say it runs a bit then brushing over it ruins the finish because dries so quick so you have to let it dry then touch up.i had to put that many coats on because dirty old paint kept showing through.next time im going back to smelly sticky as hell long time drying oil based paint would of been quicker even though drying time is longer

[@JME95]

Please do a scratch test with your finger nail I’m a painter and have used both products. like to know how both measured up. done a job painting over led paint couldn’t scratch it at all, also had complaints about water based not fully hardening and coming off with pressure from a finger but that had multiple coats on a bad surface. Love your videos Keep on testing 👍

[@hi-tech55]

Good video. I just recently converted to water based paint. Most if not nearly all Farrow and Ball are water based and I like it but not the price.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Dulux satin wood water based has come on a lot - impressed with that. 👍🛠

[@arfanjhangir8465]

hi mate great vid that contraption you use when your drilling a hole to collect the dust. what is it ? woul like to use one

[@GosforthHandyman]

That's my patent dust collector! i.e. the bottom of a milk carton. :-)

[@Artie6937]

Great video, i love the gloss and finish you get with oil but the yellowing is a pain, hopefully they get water based paint with the same gloss and depth as oil

[@GosforthHandyman]

Thanks for watching! Would be interesting to know if any pro decorators out there know of shinier water based gloss paint? 👍

[@Awwwsheeeeeeit]

Have you used johnstones water-based satin before? If so, what are your thoughts on it? I have heard some good reviews on the product and it seems to be recommended a lot by people

[@jackwardley3626]

it's the best water based satin out of crown and dulux

[@blaser80]

Haven't used oil based in ages, personally find it too glossy and the water based stuff is fine and the no smell, fast drying is a big plus.

[@cjhification]

I really like the layland trade paints pure brilliant white for walls and woodworker (using gloss on the wood and silk on the walls).

[@mariellechica6836]

Hello, thanks for the video... I just wanned to ask u a question concerning a piece of furniture I have wood material and I want to paint it with water base... would u please inform me about the steps after I sand it down I use wax before starting to paint? Or what kind of paints I should use I 'm confused ( as I want to give it a vintage style with sanding the edges ) does the oil or water base work better for that ? Thank uuuu

[@andrewmcgeorge7820]

It gets dirty quickly is the only drawback with water based. It doesn't clean stubborn marks as good as oil. A little tip use a little roller like our host .

[@GosforthHandyman]

Haven't found that with the paints I've used so far but will be doing some more testing in due course. 👍

[@jackwardley3626]

oil paints is still the only way to go in my opinion after refinishing with oil from water had a lot of customers say your better than the last decorator when all it is a lot of the time is superior paint so water based finishes are hurting some decy's rep a little.

[@andys121.]

what about choosing the undercoat? does it have to be oilbased for oilbase gloss ? and water based for water based gloss?

[@ianmarsden8568]

Did you see the comments from Andy on James William's post above?

[@thegreenman4898]

i saw a tip by a pro decorator, heat the gloss up in front of a fan heater, it goes on better, is thinner and easier to apply, dont forget to loosen the lid first.

[@GosforthHandyman]

For water based? Seen that for oil paints but not water based. 👍

[@thegreenman4898]

yep oil based

[@peterfriel5129]

Don't be scared !! get on the phone to Shaw paints UK ,or go online get yourself Benjamin Moore Advanced Satin or Gloss throw that brush in the bin and get either a Proform Blaze or Fossa viper brush This stuff is more expensive but the finish and ease of use is worth it .

[@purnp5897]

Can you put solvent based gloss over water based primer? Does this have any repercussions??

[@purnp5897]

@@pmrose18 yup, I've been advised to use stain block on knots before priming and finishing but tbh I have been quite lucky and never had a problem with any knots bleeding through. I think that's due to how far paint technology has come and using good quality paints.

[@Nickpaintbrush]

I haven't found a better waterbased gloss than Johnstones agua gloss!

[@izalman]

I tried Dulux Once some time back, the name says it all - never again... It's rubbish. I'll stick with Leyland Acrylic primer undercoat and Leyland Oil based satin wood. Yet to fail after 20+ years of decoratingusing brushes only - no rollers in domestic situation. My mate asked years ago which was the best paint, I said the one with the highest VOC.

[@jackwardley3626]

leyland oil satinwood yellow very quickly dulux trade satinwood is best as far i know for staying white

[@gazsto9510]

Can you spray the Leyland water based primer?

[@barryroberts6470]

Never used water based gloss, i have always used oil based so might have to give it a go. I used to use Johnstones Paint have they changed over to Leyland or something? Oh by the way love the mug, my daughter bought me a mug that said OCD on it which spelt out as Obsessive Coffee Drinker ha ha ha. Barry (West Kirby, Wirral)

[@GosforthHandyman]

It's VERY different to oil based so takes a bit getting used to but I use nothing else now (for white). Still prefer oil-based for colours on exterior doors etc. I think Johnstones and Leyland are part of the same group! (PPG - massive American conglomerate).

[@TheWacoKid1963]

Johnstones took over Leyland some decades ago. Both companies were taken over by Sigma Kalon in the mid 90's, Then by a hedge fund company, Then by PPG in around 2008/9ish.

[@ClankyRochet]

I've used oil white gloss on my hall way and it still smell after 2 days. I'll be doing the bedrooms next, so Im wondering, if the water based gloss paint leave smell after 24hr? Cant be smelling the paint, while trying to get to sleep.

[@RichardStevens81]

To mask the smell of oil-based paint in your home, lay some chopped onions around where you've painted to mask / neutralise the smell.

[@deannagorman1844]

Hi, how long does water based enamel take to cure? Thank you

[@fungames24]

Unless you are a decorator, paint longevity is also important.10 year paints are all oil based.

[@jimtomlinsom1279]

An fantastic video, well put together. Covered lots of points. One thing I'd add is that oil gloss is a lot tougher to the scratch test.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers Jim! I need to do a proper scratch test at some point! I'll add that one to the list... 😃👍

[@Grahamvfr]

Getting ready, to gloss the hall and staircase, thanks for that info.

[@teachers80]

I'm about to do the same. Did you use water based paint on the banister and are you happy with it? I'm afraid it won't be as good as oil based as I never used it before. Thanks

[@Grahamvfr]

@@teachers80 found it went on OK and very white, but needed more coats than oil, as it looked patchy even after 2 coats. Unless it was just my technique.

[@jameswilliams4443]

Hi I've got oil based gloss skirting and doors and frames , what can I do as I want to use water based paint on top

[@GosforthHandyman]

As long as the gloss isn't flaking off, give it a light sand, a good water based primer and then the water based gloss should be fine over that. 👍

[@trinacheney1157]

@@GosforthHandyman What to do if it is flaking off?

[@MJ-YT-USR]

@@GosforthHandyman Great video and great information, thank you! I'm working through our entire house covering oil based with water based gloss (because of yellowing) using the method you describe.

[@davidb4192]

good video, but I need to see some techniques on how to use a brush with water based gloss because I've got some door frames to paint. I don't like water based but I guess we have got to go with the times.

[@jackwardley3626]

add black to your white gloss measure with tea spoon stop it from yellowing water based gloss is a waste of time. dulux trade undercoat and high gloss is best.

[@davidcallens9445]

hello mate nice video ! have you ever tried the crown fast flow quick dry gloss? if yes, what's your impression?

[@GosforthHandyman]

Hi - no, have only tried the Dulux & Leyland water based gloss.

[@davidcallens9445]

i have by now, it's a nice product. you should try it sometime. greetings from belgium.

[@TheWacoKid1963]

If you want a high gloss finish that looks like oil based gloss, use Johnstones Aqua Gloss & Always use a synthetic brush, Never a normal bristle brush.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup - I concur on synthetic brush. 👍

[@damienhill6383]

Johnstone's make the Leyland paint as a cheaper alternative to their Aqua ..

[@rustymit]

Read the instructions on the leyland “Do not stir” runnier when stirred.

[@thedr.feelgood]

Great video .... A real life test..... Superb !

[@MalcolmJames-sg3zg]

good video thanks

[@eyeonart6865]

I hate oil based because it yellows over time. All my doors are yellowed and do not know what to do.can I use water based gloss on my yellow doors? I really do not care for shine just to be able to clean it.

[@billmeguire100]

Try one of the very latest specialty semi-gloss trim paints that is supposed to go on smooth and dry to a hard smooth finish. Just try it on one door and wait ten years to see if it holds up. I used what was on the market ten years ago to do mine, and the water based semi-gloss paint that I used ten years ago now sticks together (door to frame) in places, is not smooth and not hard enough to keep dirt from getting ground down into it. Yellowed oil paint would look much better than the white with gooey dirty places here and there that I have now. The 40 year old green oil paint job on my kitchen cabinets is still hard, durable and easy to wipe clean (though it is chipped in places, it looks way better than the ten year old water based semi-gloss paint job on my doors)

[@georgerobson8753]

how is water based for radiators and other metalwork?

[@GosforthHandyman]

It's OK - similar to painting wood tbh. The biggest thing I miss is with oil based you can put the radiator on when the paint is tacky and the heat will remove all brush marks. This doesn't really work with water based. Don't even attempt to paint a warm radiator as the paint will dry far too quick. :-)

[@idyllaudio6919]

Oh dear bless you, there is no wonder you are (or were) scared of painting, Ive used all 3 of these producted and they are all terrible and I wouldnt recommend them to anyone haha. Also if you want a good finish with waterbased glosses, you absolutely DO NEED to use a good brush, one of the biggest complaints most people have with WB trim paints is a poor finish which is hard to get the brush marks out because it doesnt self level like oil-based (though the hybrids are much better) so the key is using top quality brushes like Corona or Purdy etc. Hopefully you have discovered some of the better products out there since this video for your own sanity! :)

[@MM0SDK]

Thanks for uploading this. These are the exact paints and even the undercoat i was wanting to see. Trying to decide - use the Dulux once in the cupboard or buy new the Leyland accy primer and gloss. Water based it is for me for the 1st time.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Good luck - you'll never look back! Not quite as shiny but so much easier to work with. 👍

[@KrazyVideoChick]

His is such a great way to make my own swatches.

[@dannyp8170]

I've tried acrylic gloss a few times but stick to oil based where I can and always recommend oil to clients.. speak to some of the old boy painters and they still moan about oil and miss the lead lol. It's just what you get used to.

[@sirenwoodworkcreations1265]

Did my windowsills and rads in dulux water based. Two years later and still tacky :-(

[@GosforthHandyman]

Interesting - Dulux Satinwood waterbased is great! 👍

[@barryparks8055]

Nice Vid. Will give water based gloss a go.Thanks

[@orbitalforest]

Floetrol really does help with water based gloss.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Defo going to check it out when I get a second! 👍

[@colinbarber1957]

The water based paints are not durable enough. Fit a carpet after painting with water based and watch the paint come off the skirtings.

[@mryan4452]

I looked at the water based paint on my skirting board wrong it'll start falling off. Can't believe they sell the stuff. Well I do have a good idea why.

[@wormwood6424]

Perfect vid. Just what I was looking for xxx.

[@jackwardley3626]

I wouldn't put a water based on top of a oil based because that makes the water based trip a lot and thins the water based out and the water can't really penetrate through the oil so that's got nothing adhesive to. it was a oil based dulux trade undercoat for finishing coat it was a water based armstead trade acrylic eggshell and that didn't really work the water based was tripping all down the wall so if your on a job don't try and do things unless your sure about it.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Jack - by 'trip' do you mean 'drip'?

[@andrewlynch27]

I really want to use a water based semi gloss for trim but am discouraged by the tacky feel it leaves. This is especially a problem when painting doors. Any suggestions?

[@GosforthHandyman]

I would try a different brand - the Leyland goes on nice and has a softer gloss finish. 👍

[@neilpainterpreece9603]

My mate has used dulux once for years. He says it's the only oil based gloss that hasn't gone yellow on him. He has tried all different oils and he swears by dulux once.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Would agree - always used Dulux once (until now!). Does turn yellow eventually, especially in dark areas - but nowhere near as bad as some paints I've seen.

[@Artie6937]

I use dulux a lot it goes yellow like all other oil based , if left in dark

[@cardiffpicker1]

@@Artie6937 you don't tend to notice until you shut a door that is usually open , then there is a clear colour difference on the skirting.

[@lameduck3630]

I heard years ago that bare wood should always be sanded before painting - Something to do with oxidisation?

[@jackwardley3626]

if your using oil paints especially in white go palatine paints they still make the original formula the only good oil paints left on the market.

[@davidthomas4670]

WAS A TIMSIEVED PAINT 42 YEARS STILL OIL FOR ME

[@lucifarian93]

4," roller 7" tray lay off with brush , Hamilton Expression or Corona Archers, as for the paint Bedec Advance gloss , there's nothing better and use the primer, nearly always 4 coats , two under and two top. Proper gloss.

[@SteS]

Just painting some wardrobe shelving I've made. I started priming with Zinsser 123 which is perfect, light sand and I then went onto use oil based Leyland. Going grey just watching it dry. Goes on lovely but it's white in colour so will yellow over time. Will be buying some Leyland satinwood water based and try that for skirting and doors along with Zinsser 123 as the primer. Thanks for the video 👍

[@markvickers4189]

I agree that when I was snagging or doing maintenance I did find Dulux go yellow but not Crown . Fact on the new builds I used to know who had painted it because of the colour as we had two companies at the time doing the painting one using Dulux and the other Crown . what I didn`t like was magnolia paint cause if you was doing a touch up and used a different type it shows up so much which a lot of people don't seem to realise including the people in the office then that were trying to save pennies and bought me Leyland and wonder why I was not happy . this was because on the 150 rented properties I looked after, instead of doing a patch up I ended up repainting the wall maybe more and until it dried wouldn't know if it required more than one coat . so I'm looking forward to more of your painting comparisons . keep the you tube coming

[@GosforthHandyman]

👍🛠

[@marcopolo2159]

Very helpful video 👍👌👍👌👌👍👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Thanks

[@raikkonen85]

can I use water based gloss over an oil based paint

[@GosforthHandyman]

Sand and prime first - should be fine but I'd test it on a small area.

[@adriansandry2783]

Even if we’ll rubbed down applying a water-based paint over an oil-based paint can lead to a finish that easily chips if knocked. The solution is to first apply a high-adhesion primer such as Zinsser BIN or Zinsser Coverstain, which also acts as an undercoat.

[@JMB1891]

This video was really helpful, thanks.

[@GosforthHandyman]

No worries JB! 🛠👍

[@mikeware-lane1347]

Great video, however the test samples are far too small to realistically assess real life performance of the flow, drying out (try a full size door! to see what I mean), resulting brush marks and low degree of gloss. I regularly use Leyland paint but ther claim of 'gloss' is way over optimistic, the white gloss in more akin to a satin finish, definitely not gloss.

[@KD_designz]

Great comparison!👍

[@davidskeeterskeeter1835]

Loved every minute mate,,very informative,,thank you,! 👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers David! 👍

[@marionwooderson5896]

Great video. Very informative.