“WATER” CHINESE DIESEL/PETROL HEATER TEST: Hcalory value for money?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

How many times did a mispronounced the name of ChatGPT? 🤦‍♂️

[@epicsmg2682]

Just for some frame of reference, ChatGPT is horrendous at maths. I would recommend not using it for complex calculations as it will almost always get it very wrong.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@@epicsmg2682 fair enough, I would call what I did overly complex so just quicker to feed it up chunk of data. It did take while to get it to interpret the data. I wanted it to originally

[@alextop1850]

It be cool if you had rain capture to fill your water tanks automatically and heated pad floors of the alternator and solar so free heating 🧠🇬🇧🌍🏆 Great Build 👍

[@Tb0n3]

AI is going to kill us all not by taking over the world but making us all too lazy and stupid to continue living.

[@TinCanCampers]

@@MispronouncedAdventurescould someone use one of these through a system under the floor and do a hydronic heated floor as well?

[@PsRohrbaugh]

As someone with a 3kw water cooled diesel generator, a unified cooling loop is the dream! I want to have the 3kw generator, the diesel engine, a diesel heater, heater core, and radiators all in a loop! Ultimate flexibility. Some day.... I want to be able to run the generator and heat the cabin, and if it gets too cold I fire up the heater.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I didn’t think about using a diesel generator coolant and using it for heating

[@Hi.Al.]

Sounds interesting 🤔, how much pressure could the case of the water heater and pump take and what pressure does the pump put out?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@Hi.Al. I haven’t seen / can’t remember seeing a PSI rating. But it would be under pressure when used in a can coolant loop

[@gf2e]

I have a gas generator for my RV, but I realized it doesn’t have coolant. It’s air cooled. Oh well. I want to be able to use engine heat and also have my water heater running from this and also have an electrical option when I’m at a camp site with power. One coolant leak, and I can destroy even more hardware at the same time. :)

[@Cybertruck1000]

If that was researched/demonstrated/filmed by a TV company it would have cost tens of thousands for a team to produce. I assume you are pretty much a one man band and so you deserve loads of praise and respect for your work. Great video...Cheers.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Thank you very much for the lovely comment, just me for the talking, testing, filming and editing!

[@sstoneman5020]

I have a Chinese diesel air heater and a Thermo top C water heater. I've been running both on household heating oil for about 2 seasons now and both seem to be running just fine. Heating oil is quite a bit cheaper than diesel if you have access to it. The only drawback, if you can call it such, is the need to plumb in a second fuel tank.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Yep, heating oil ( kerosene ) would definitely work. And significantly cheaper than diesel that for sure my old house in Scotland used to be heated by it. In a van format I personally prefer the convenience of being plumbed into the main tank opposed to a second fuel type

[@sstoneman5020]

@@MispronouncedAdventures A couple of things I have heard about kero over diesel is kero burns hotter and also cleaner as it has fewer additives that are intended to be burnt in an engine not one of these heaters. I'm not inclined to remove and dismantle a perfectly good working unit to find out one way or the other. Maybe if you get bored🤔🤔🤔 Convenience is certainly a factor. Even a small amount of split fuel in the truck can smell for a while. Something you really don't want or need in your camper.

[@mufreight]

Great video. We're using an Eberspacher S3 to pre-heat the forged engine on our company car. Your earlier videos helped us move in this direction instead of a plug-in block heater. I think more people with forged engines might be interested in installing hydronic/circulation/coolant heaters with a $300 price point.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad I was of help! Fired Pre-heater are great bits of kit, I want to show over a number of videos the difference options and costs of doing it

[@xxxxxxxxxx6903]

No Sir, those fasteners are not made from Chocolate. Those are grade-A Chinesium alloy steel! They are made from the finest of recycled Dodge pickup truck bumpers, Frigidaire appliances, and an occasional Americium fueled smoke detector - just to give 'em some spice ☢️! 🤪

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I do build up the miracle alloy of Chinesium in a good few videos as well!

[@jcolbyt82]

Only a random pellet of cobalt 60 here and there. You are especially lucky if you get Chinese steel with recycled reactor pressure vessel steel. Some really high grade steel, great quality. Don’t worry about the fact that it’s neutron activated. Won’t hurt a thing. Your hand is tingling after handling it? Don’t handle it and all is well!

[@ManiacRacing]

Chinese aluminum is made from beer can pull tabs and bubblegum tinfoil, with a tire thrown in for alloying.

[@41jreyes1]

Hahaha gringos are tbe one that buy it lame saladita

[@Dark_Knight_USA]

Greetings: Very true.

[@Chris-ut6eq]

Great job! Extremely informative and well demonstrated. I'll go checkout the teardown video now.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad you thought so. Enjoy the other video hopefully it will answer any questions you might have.

[@jasonpeter2767]

In regard to the broken cast piece holding down the two elbows, it looks to me that the hose clamp tensioner may have been making contact with the cover. If so, it was creating upward pressure on the elbow as you were tightening down the center screw. That may have been why it cracked. It should still be a stamped piece as you said. Great video!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

That’s more or less the reason. On the Webasto original the centre of the plate makes direct contact with the body of the unit so there isn’t the gap over where the screw is tightened. this version of the hand there is a gap which is why if you tighten it, it can snap I did notice on the Webasto, some of them use the cast part and some models use a stamped part

[@psyamok3735]

learn a load from your channel! Thanks so much. May you have an excellent winter experience @ the crazy northern cold! Cheers.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Thank you very much. I’m glad you found the content helpful! I do love the winter Arctic up here.

[@ludovitseveriny8924]

thanks for the comprehensive video, it helped me with my heater instalation.

[@Caddysnaps]

After watching your many inspirational videos, I’m going to attempt to fit this very heater on my VW T5 over the coming weekend. If it goes well I’ll post a video :) thanks as always for the great content.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

All the best of luck on your install hope it goes well! What’s your plans? Use of it cold environment engine preheating or just a nice way to get the engine vehicle warmer faster to heat up quicker?

[@Caddysnaps]

@ thank you. Yes absolutely, I’m still planing to head at least as far as Lofoten but hopefully up to Nordkap feb to early March. The van is 05 so needs a little sympathy.

[@MickeyMishra]

Call me nuts, but all of a sudden? The Webasto heaters are all of a sudden an amazing price point! Seeing how those pipe fittings are mated to the unit has cemented my opinon.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Webastos use two types of connections between the pipe and unit. One of them is the exact copy of the cast piece which broke in my video and but I’d believe they probably use a better alloy! They also use the stamped piece of metal which I got from one of my Webastos

[@gregmccormick21]

​@@MispronouncedAdventures I have a few Junyize brand ones and a couple puff black smoke when running. Have you experienced this with your Hcalory?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@gregmccormick21 black smoke sounds like a incomplete burn

[@ryanzanow8221]

Great video man! Thank you so much for your time, money, and effort on this!😊

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

No problem at all. Thank you very much for watching!

[@compactcamperco]

Another awesome video mate! Although I only understood about 12% (a failing on my part not yours). Good job I'm going to the arctic with you and your knowledge otherwise I'd probably die!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

12%? We’re making progress! It’s gonna be a fun Trip!

[@compactcamperco]

Hell yeah it is! Best bring some spare warm socks

[@truebluetravellers]

Thanks for the rundown mate, now I need to install on the sprinter 👍👍👍

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Best get on it!

[@truebluetravellers]

I’ll make sure I use that gdptrst thingy majig u were on about too 👀👀👀 😥

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@@truebluetravellers exactly

[@tedc6694]

So sorry. Apparently if i take too long to hit the post button, my comment seems to carry it over to the next video in my que. Love your videos on Chinese heaters

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@@tedc6694 I don’t know anything about welders or welding really. I’ve only done it once or twice I wouldn’t really be able to give much of an informed video

[@Sosvald]

Thanks for an amazing video, saw your other video too where you dismantled the heater. Just ordered myself the heater for my car, a bit hard to start in the winter cold with -30 celsius.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad you found the videos helpful and have ordered one. Yes definitely difficult to get a vehicle to start in -30c!

[@Codethe_Road]

I am just jumping into the video now; plan on watching it through. Answered a lot of questions; this would be ideal for parking my truck in the winter when I can't find a place to plug in my block heater.. nothing worse than starting a cold truck in the dead of winter.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Quite a few of my friends in British vans are using this unit for their vehicle this winter in the Arctic

[@van-aventure]

hi ! Thank you very much for this video. My van is fitted with an Autoterm 4D heater and an exchanger water heater on the engine cooling circuit. I want to install a system that will allow me to heat the water in the cooling circuit so that I have hot water when I'm not driving, but also to limit cold engine starts when the temperature is negative. This one doesn't look bad at all.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I’m glad it was helpful. autoterm make their own model of engine preheater / hydronic heater. Which is their “Flow” model. If you particularly set on autoterm products. Then you would just need to add some type of heat exchanger for your hot water.

[@floriniancau5766]

Nice video! I am not Chatgpt but i can tell you another useful project for you ,make a small loop with cooper pipe under battery pack of truck eventually a termostat to avoid overheating.If you are able to heath the battery you are the big winner.Every start will be great!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Some would do those these system to make under floor heating. I could see the idea of running a loop of it under a battery for heat

[@MrMad4mud]

I have one of these on my Peterbilt with a cat c-15 and so far this winter it's worked flawlessly

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad to hear it’s been working well for you!

[@mdcbert]

Are you able to get it to run continuously?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Usually once the coolant loop is up to its preset temperature, the unit will shut down to prevent itself or the coolant from overheating. Although the coolant loop didn’t reach its temperature, it should continue indefinitely. I don’t know if the unit has a maximum eight hours runtime, rule or something like some other.

[@dylanporras2655]

Perfect timing for the upload. Just finished your first video on this heater and I'm always very interested in these. I run 2 trucks on waste motor oil and the oil burning community has been very interested in running air and water heaters on WMO/WVO. I'd be interested in installing one on my 7.3 PSD F350 as an engine heater for those cold winter starts.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad it came out at a good time for you. I guess since it’s a burner in theory, running waste oil shouldn’t be too much of issue. Although many of the Chinese diesel air heaters, you are able to tune the fan speed versus pump speed to get a better burn via the controller for burning alternative fuels. I haven’t seen much option with this heater to adjust or tweak it / or even altitude adjustment with that being said.

[@HenryOCarmichaelSmith]

From what I've read they will run on waste oil but not for very long. You'll be stripping it down to clean it shortly afterwards

[@juliogonzo2718]

There is a guy on youtube who tried his hardest to run an air heater on waste oil and it kept coking up no matter what he did.

[@fmemories]

​@@juliogonzo2718loweredexpectations did try his best....tldr: do not do it.

[@MrRatkilr]

I have heated a shop with home built waste oil heater. I have two diesel air heaters to heat my garage. I have one of these to preheat my truck engine. I would stick with gasoline, diesel or kerosene to fuel these. Even if you filter used motor oil. Your going to get buildup in burn chamber. Taking one of these out of vehicle to clean an fix is kind of a pain. Waste oil has so many contaminates. My shop waste oil heater was easy to take out burn chamber. Could do that in minutes.

[@JTs3DPrints]

Opportunity to provide a proper rebuild/replacement kit to change out quality of parts. Hopefully, these manufacturers pay close attention. Great video. Thank you.

[@jvinsnes]

Excellent testing with lots of useful information!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad you found it had useful information. I try to cover as many points as I think people will be interested in!

[@EXPEDITIONROVE]

Very informative and a well put together video. Awesome work!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Thank you very much for watching, glad you found it informative

[@tramptruck4859]

Excellent follow up video and perfectly shows why I prefer a used thermo top C and a rebuild. I do however get your point about some people preferring a "package solution " Regarding cycling when running through a calorifier coil, I have a dual coil calorifier and plan to use both coils in series to increase the heat transfer and liquid volume - any thoughts?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Yes same, I prefer my Thermo Top Evo ( I have taken apart and played with the C model as well ) I do imagine putting both of the coils in series would get a higher energy transfer. Although I don’t know what the normal exchange rate is coils

[@rilufuzz]

Really looking forward to your next Arctic trip :D

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Same am I!

[@Alivefrom45]

Looking good, thanks for putting this video.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad it was useful

[@PlatisTobbe]

I would have had a lot of use for one yesterday, when I drove locally into Gävle, Sweden in -20C🥶

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I bet! my pre-heater definitely make my life easy when I’m up there

[@AlfUpATree]

Interesting!! Since this will run on diesel or petrol is it safe to say it'd run on diesel and petrol *mixed *? I'm thinking could be an ideal application for use/disposal of contaminated mixed fuel arising from mis fuelling incidents? Use of a basic water separator and fuel filter probably advisable in that case?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

That’s a good question. I don’t necessarily see why not. I just don’t know how effective the burn would be. some multi fuel type heaters require a setting change between diesel and petrol. This one on the other hand just seems to work on both.

[@nikvulnikvul]

Amazing video.can anyone tells how to make run more than 1 hour ,to make run at least 8 hours.the settings is only for 40 minutes i set up for 1 Hour then must reset the timer from remote and keeps going 1 hour more.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Which controller? I found there is a lot of different between them

[@divxmaster]

Thanks, great video, I had a quick look around on heatso's website for the webasto part you used to replace the part that broke. I couldn't find it, you seem to know these heaters very well, do you have any more ideas where I might find that part? Cheers.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

This is an interesting point as I’ve got two Webasto Thermo Top Evo. The one which broke is a clone of a cast Webasto part ( part number - 1322832A ) which feels to be a sturdy piece of cast material but look pretty much the same However, the one I used in the video is also from my Webasto pre heater and is stamped metal. Its Part number 9001814C which is apparently is from Volkswagen Touran part. which is odd since both of my preheaters are from Land Rovers

[@snoobster1]

Could you maybe explain how the blower fan wiring works? are the instructions clear how to connect it to the car blower to get hot air moving? Thank you!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Quite a few ways of doing it. It can vary between different model of vehicle. effectively you bypassed the vehicles power supplied to the cabin fan or cabin heater controls

[@samlogue278]

Hey man, love your videos and this one got me thinking. Is there a way you could pair this with a 10 litre insulated tank for water heating instead of using the diesel heater with air exchanger?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Yes, you could have it directly heating a large volume of water, although long-term they’re probably not best directly looking water. They’re meant to be heating coolant. As a coolant has a lower freezing temperature, higher boiling temperature and a corrosion inhibitor.

[@c.c.lohmar]

Thank you for this insightful Video. I have an Adele (LPG) water heating system in my Caravan that uses "radiators" made of 22 mm pipes and aluminium disks. This system also heats my warm water for the tab and shower. With some DIY tweaking, lowering the default temperature to 50 Celsius, this device could replace the expensive Adele heater and heat a camper. I actually consider using this idea in my Camper-Van build that I'm planing for 2025.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I don’t see why that should work. The Adele systems are quite nice. It might be worth considering a higher quality hydronic heater such as the autoterm flow 5D.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I thought I also heard rumours that Adele was bringing out a diesel version

[@c.c.lohmar]

@ It is a budget solution to build a room heater that uses water. You need high DIY skills but it works. Lowering the default temperature from 80c to 50c is easy. Identify the sensor and replace it with another lower operating one. Using solenoid valve allows to switch from room heating to water heating. The pipes are 22mm standard copper and the radiators can be build from 2 or 3 15mm pipes in parallel with copper washer soldered on them. I would spend something around £300 for this - excluded the china heater. So for around £600 to £700 I have a room heater. One can make it even more complex, adding other solenoid values to connect the room heating to the engine. This way you heat while driving and can preheat or save guard the engine while parking. I will start my new van project in 2025 and will make videos. We see if it’s working

[@capotorodaniele]

hello good morning excellent video, I have the same heater with the same display, but I have a problem, once it reaches 80 degrees it turns off and never starts again, do you know if there are any adjustments to make? I tried every way, thanks in advance

[@johgude5045]

Same question here

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

This is an odd one. As I have its turn back when I was doing something else when the coolant temp dropped, but other times when I wanted that to happen it didn’t. When I can find it in settings I be hard to know if it’s worked or not

[@mikeritchie9081]

@@MispronouncedAdventures its the A-ON and A-OFF setting, I think only some controllers can see that. In the manual it shows the ones that can.

[@alloutofdonuts3998]

So this is just a water heater? I’ve just gotten into all these diesel heaters and I’m looking for a diesel and air heater to heat the basement/storage of an RV and also possibly/hopefully supplement or boost the water heater. I didn’t realize however, that there are water only heaters! 👍

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Liquid heater is a better word for it. You shouldn’t be directly heating water in these, some sort of coolant glycol mix. However, these can be used for heating water by using a plated heat exchanger or heating a hot tank via coil

[@tcs7678]

Hello. Would it make sense to install the hydronic heater in such a way that the hot air exhaust blows its 200+ °C air directly onto the bottom/side of the engine’s aluminium oil pan, so that the very cold and viscous engine oil is somewhat pre-warmed too?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I can see the logic warmer blowing into the engine bay, the exhaust gases aren’t particularly focused or powerful air pressure wise, so it would have to be run very close to the sump to have much effect. I’m also unsure potentially about the long-term corrosive effects of exhaust gases being pumped into the engine bay.

[@iguanamoat]

It would likely have minimal effect, since there's not a whole lot of energy coming out of the exhaust compared to the large thermal mass of the cold oil and engine. Carbon monoxide will also build up in the engine compartment in high concentrations, and can find its way into the cabin.

[@user-fy6rr6sz2n]

Use the hot water loop to wrap the oil pan?

[@jeffsgarage8414]

I think connecting this to a mini tank, say 2.5 gallons and ysing as a water heater would be an amazing and very efficient way to have hot water in your van

[@joblessalex]

Up until you get cancer from all the heavy metals China put in the hose and heater

[@smaksymiv4950]

Louder than a point of use propane unit I think .

[@joblessalex]

@@smaksymiv4950 The instant propane is going to be way better all around, but they're also really big and you'll need a second source of fuel to run them. So tradeoffs. I'm probably still going instant since I have the space.

[@s130507]

Thanks for the video. I gave newly put the same heater in my Hilux. As you say in the video it shuts down when reaching 80 deg. C. I've adjusted this up to 90 deg. C. You also said that it's possible to put on auto restart so that it' continuing to heat when temp. Drops to 60(?) deg. C. How do I do that on the controller?

[@JonWelford-cf6xh]

I've been running mine now since April. Initially I had a weird error E-14, I never found what it was and it eventually cleared. In June it failed with a blocked burner that I cleared by heating the burner around the fuel pipe to red heat with a blowlamp. Note it is possible to fit the flame sensor plug into the wrong socket which produces E-04. It is working fine just now burning Kero heating fuel and is nice and clean inside.

[@Defintothewild]

Great video, I’m looking for a solution for our 4x4, is there the possibility to adjust the altitude in the screen menu, I didn’t see anything on the hcalory website. Thanks

[@functionalvanconversion4284]

Thanks for the information 👍pretty cool you can run it on diesel and gas. Running on gas would clean it periodically.

[@__WJK__]

Good point!

[@mandrakejake]

An easy way to measure fuel consumption accurately is place the fuel can on a weigh scale. Make sure to support the fuel hose so it doesn't affect the measurement

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

That would work but I’ll need a really accurate scale for it which I don’t have. Easier for me to count doses with a fixed .ml

[@Visionariuso]

Awesome video. Would be really interesting if you could do a video of how to connect the heater to the cabin fan in the car? It looked like it had two wires sending a signal when it reached the temperature. But would you rewire it from the fuse box or strght to the cabin fan?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Thank you, one of my older videos is on retro fitting a different model of hydronic heater to my van. The get plumbed into the cabin heater air matrix return line. Which circulate through the cabin heater and engine. The wiring not done myself but id imagine you would go direct to the fan which would just be max but a better option might be to the climate control circuit, then turn the fan on the previous set mode

[@Visionariuso]

Yes that seems like a good idea. Hopefully nothing blocks the airflow of the fan

[@MrRatkilr]

It is a low voltage circuit. Would need a relay to drive the cars heater motor. Car heater blowers take a few amps.

[@googleuser2607]

Can you run this pump on a lower speed to keep the water at a constant temprature like run it on 1 out of 10 setting

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Unfortunately, no, that’s not a feature ( it doesn’t seem to be a feature on many at all for some reason ) most cycle up to a high temperature and then boot up again when hitting a low. For example, turning off at 80° and then turning back on again when dropping below 50. )

[@AlanKrum]

Thank you for another great video and testing the petrol option. I think I will install an auxiliary diesel tank on my gas bus though for the better heat output. Maybe a valve to switch to petrol in a pinch.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

No problem at all. Yeah I think I’ll also stick to diesel in the friends vehicleI’m putting it in is petrol but we’re also putting a diesel air heater in as well.

[@AlanKrum]

@@MispronouncedAdventures yep, I am planning the same, air and water..

[@Allisonni224]

Hi . I have a same heater but i don't understand blower relay wiring.There comes 12V continously at heater ecu and relay is activated all the time. So if you could explain how it shuld be done blower fan wiring correcly.?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

The relay is used to be to by pass the normal power supply to the vehicle cabin heater / fan controls. Then the engine is turned on it is powered normally. When the engine is off but the pre heater is on, it’s supplies its own power to the cabin fans to make them run. Mine as you saw in the video wasn’t a continuous 12V supply when on, only when the heater had got to a set temperature

[@andersreffs3195]

Have you figured out how to run it for longer than the set time? if using it to heat up radiant floor? can it be programed to run until manual shut off? and then adjust the parameters to turn on and of with the temeratures used for the floor? ex 35 off and 30 on?

[@kierfuller8323]

Love the channel 👍, can you run this heater for more than 1 hour? I have a broken thermo top v only does an hour at a time, I have now got a new pcb to allow 5-10 hours but as I say, webastardo says no now no matter what I do. I am going to get one of these if you can run it longer. Keep up the good work

[@dquam3885]

After watching a couple of these Chinese heater vids, it seems the upshot is they work good if you replace the junk parts with Webasto peices.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I mean, it could be possible quite a few parts are the same design, but it would be probably be easier to find webasto parts though than replacement parts for this

[@thomaswalland879]

If the radiators get up to temperature and the unit shuts down - does it continue to circulate until the temperature has dropped and then starts back up again like a webasto does? Thanks!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

In my tests the pump turned of after 3 minutes ( or about that after combustion shutdown ) I don’t know if that could be changed in settings, or you could make the pump continue manually

[@mikeritchie9081]

look for my post on here from a few days ago, it mentions all the various settings and what you need to do to get it to do this.

[@BVN-TEXAS]

Had the same part break and machined a steel piece. That’s the weak link of those units is how it holds the water lines to it.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I agree. some of my original Webasto and my Autoterm also use a cast part as well but probably a better alloy! some of my Webasto did have a stamped steel piece so I use that instead

[@cultusgti]

Something to bear in mind when using a diesel to water heater, if you indirectly heat transfer from a closed loop. When you put antifreeze in your coolant it's the equivalent of putting plastic in, it lowers the heat capacity of the water , marking it more of an insulator. Only add enough coolant to deal with the environment not more and preferably just straight water.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

True, the heating capacity of a 50-50 water glycol mix is about 15% less. Although I wouldn’t say environmental is the only reason for a coolant mix, it’s also a corrosion inhibitor and also increases the boiling temperature

[@Readdeo]

Thanks for the video! is it possible to only run the pump, without heating with this heater? EDIT: Is it able to automatically turn on to keep a temperature I set on it? I'm thinking of using it for heating also.

[@chadjenkins9900]

Awesome video, I've got a 30kw one on the way to hopefully heat my hot tub. Is there any way to turn the cut off temp down to 40 degrees? I'm thinking I might be able to fool the temp sensor with a resistor or something or just turn it off manually

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

If I wanted to cut it off at a specific temperature, and the system/control itself didn’t allow that. I would probably use a temperature sensitive relay and have that open and close the on/off signal to the whole unit.

[@davidcregan4960]

Hi , great video, I have the same model which I have had for 2 winters. No problem with the heater but I can’t keep it running for long and currently it only runs for around 6 minutes then hits 80 degree and trips out. Whilst I think I have a water circulating issue would love to know how to make the heater keep switching back on which I currently can’t seem to find any instructions on. Any help would be much appreciated. Great video and thanks.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

My friends recently had an issue where it would rapidly heat 80° and switch off. There was a big enough air bubble in the coolant loop that the circulation pump couldn’t pump fluid all the way around.

[@donaldpetrey3064]

I’m looking at getting 1-2 for my boat to also use with my wood stove while I’m on the water 56 N 131W

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

From my understanding, hydronic heaters are far more popular in boat settings, then van one

[@Tkdmaster1991]

So my sailboat has an old Ardic hydronic heater with heat exchanger/blower that no longer works. Would you recommend swapping in one of these as a replacement? Or cutting out the hydronic and putting in a standard air heater unit? Any advice would be appreciated!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Air heaters I find it easier if you just want hot air. but if your boat already had a hydronic loop which gives you other things like hot heater as well then swapping to a new unit could work. a unit like this or a Autoterm Flow 5D

[@realeyesrealizereallies6828]

Might want to consider one of those battery operated pumps from Amazom..I have the DEWAY Automatic fuel transfer pump..4.6 stars on Amazon and $25 when I bought mine, maybe 3 years ago..Still have the original two D batteries in there..I've used that thing for 30 different things...

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I have a mini manual siphon pump which I take with me on trips as they are just generally very useful bits of kit but would be well worth grabbing a small electric powered ones for higher quantity

[@lifeRobrandom]

Thinking about using one to heat up my hot tub!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

A fair few people have done similar with this type of unit

[@andki234]

Tried to figure it out in the manual and you have not done as it says with the exhaust and angle of the fuel pump. So how important is that? I guess they are worried that unburnt fuel can get stuck int the exhaust pipe and bubbles in the fuel lines?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Both are important. Fuel pump angle is more important. Being a dosing pump, it creates cavitations with each pump. Wrong orientation, or angle of the pump can allow those citations to form into a larger bubble inside the pump which then stops the fuel moving. Exhaust is a number of factors it should always be downhill so condensation doesn’t fill up the pipe and block it. Additionally, adding too many bends curves or making it too long will restrict airflow and potentially mess up the burn efficiency in the unit causing it to Soot up

[@andki234]

@@MispronouncedAdventures One other question it specifies 12V input voltage. Will it take fully charged battery 14.4V?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@andki234 yes, it uses “12 V” input vaguely as the 12v range opposed to a particular voltage

[@andki234]

@@MispronouncedAdventures So 14.4 is OK :)

[@chuuurles]

hes a good man... and thorough!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Glad you think so!

[@JoshKilen]

very nice job, where did you get the 12v power supply, the victron one plugged into the battery pack?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

It’s a Victron ip22 12v 30A charger. Great bit of kit

[@v8Mercury]

Great video. Thank you.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Thank you for watching

[@magician2020]

You're a Mad-Man with your extreme cold adventures. I'm a fair-weather adventurer. What are you using for your thermal imaging adapter?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Only a little bit mad. That’s a FLIR One LT attachment for my iPhone. Currently testing a different model at the moment, which I’m finding a lot better.

[@williamandersen7000]

Have this one installed using glycol and heat exchanger for van water supply. How do I lower the top limit for cut off? 80C too hot. Any suggestions?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Wet heating systems like that using heat exchanger, particularly for hot water you would use a plated heat exchanger with its own Thermostatic Mixing Valve. The mixer valve would dictate the hot water, not the hydronic heater.

[@kris668d]

The 64 degrees at which the cabin heater turns on, can you regulate that certain temperature? Thank you.

[@DerfOrNuffin]

So would you use this on you coolant system to preheat? You'd prolly need a bigger battery or a seperate

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

You could well do, I use a different model of hydronic heater preheat my engine / coolant. Mine runs off my leisure battery. You could have it running off your starter battery. It doesn’t consume that much power.

[@DIYNauticalDream]

This is my first time watching your channel. We are looking this direction for our 52ft Sailboat project, for heating the boat and a hot water heater at the same time. Would you recommend this or better to go with the Espar? Thanks again for the great demonstration.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Definitely budget is the main question. Espar and Webasto for big budget, Autoterm Flow 5D ( which I think is as good as Webasto and Espar ) This chinese one I think is a great price for what it is. If you have DIY skills then a second had Webasto have be a cheap as £40

[@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycles]

When you sleep in the same hull as the heating device is running in, i would never trust chinese copies due to possible co leakage etc… they are not (to our standards) certified or what so ever… price difference is not worth my life (and my family’s). If it happens you will never find out though, only family and friends, funeral company, police, etc.. webasto has a combined unit for heat AND hot water (for dishes and shower)

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

could the exhaust off one of those cheap diesel heaters be connected to a coil made from copper pipe submerged in a tank, that way your using the waste exhaust to heat the water while heating the space your in...

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Running the exhaust directly through a water tank would in principle work. The reality of how you put it together, might be a bit more difficult. although one of the issues would be condensation inside the exhaust pipe as heater exhausts need to be all downhill for drainage. A coil would potentially trap moisture which would then prevent the exhaust gas from escaping

[@sprkl4582]

Would you recommend a second hand webasto water heater or a new Chinese water heater like this one for a low budget van?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

If you don’t mind more technical project, sourcing parts and more involved go for the second hand Webasto as it’s half the price of this kit. If you just want to fit something then go for this heater.

[@juhanrohtla4264]

Hi! Could I possibly use a diesel heater for an outdoor pool? I have a small tub (1m3 of water), hope to call it a hot tub in the future 😊

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Don’t see why not, it might take a little while to heat up that quantity of water. But you could actually use the maths I use in the video to work out the specific time taken.

[@TheDogsBox]

@7:50.. so as long as I don't unbox it and take it apart straight away I should be fine?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Probably, mostly Chinese made heater work out the box, if there is an issues out the box it’s normal a problem glow plug being broken. It’s a serviceable it, so I’d rather take it apart first so see how it works. I did, make it clear that the O-ring was my fault You’ll still need to unbox first though.

[@TheDogsBox]

@@MispronouncedAdventures I'll check out your salvage options vid first before I make a decision. Thanks for the content

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

If you’re technical minded, I don’t mind a bit of DIY. The salvage option is definitely cheaper and you end up with an expensive Webasto unit. which is my personal preference and use

[@Infinion]

I don't have any big loads that a camper does, but I do have a very thirsty EV with an average of 100km winter range. It has two coolant PTC heaters on two isolated loops (2.5kW for battery coolant to maintain minimum 0-13ºC, 8kW for cabin coolant to air that drops to 1-3kW). Can a coolant heater's main ECU manage two loops or would I need an additional controller with some feedback? Would I be able to choose to heat the battery coolant and not the cabin coolant, or only heat the cabin in some instances? Thanks for all the testing you've done!

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

That’s an interesting question. I guess if you made some sort of valve system, then you could select which loop gets heated. Although it would seem that both of those coolant loops require their own specific temperatures settings, which might be quite hard to achieve with one.

[@gordonwilloughby8793]

I wonder how long it will be before they set up one of these for heating water in a camper or motor home for a shower, dishes, etc

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

It’s quite popular and common-ish to do this already, . It’s called a wet heating system I know quite a few which have them set up like this.

[@ourworldonwheels]

Hey Alex 👍🏼 had a thought mate.. you know those cheap “all in one” 5kw diesel heaters, I’m thinking of just keeping in the garage/boot or in storage during summer, not a permanent install…just bring it out when needed..could you use a Bobil exchanger then pump coolant as a pre heater to do “the same” job as the heater your using if I did some mods…circulation pump and fittings inside the enclosure with just a nice quick release tee for flow and return, not sure of all of it yet but I think it could work.?? Any thoughts👍🏼

[@erdbeermarmeladebrotmithon5980]

Is it the model where you can insert a SIM card? Can you please show this function

[@AnthonyGonzalez-ym2st]

This is pretty cool for a semi truck. Has anyone ran it on one or something else?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

There are a few vans with winter in the Arctic uses it

[@djrrmml7514]

Would be interesting to see how a original webasto would perform. If they also deliver their advertised power.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

That’s a good point, or at least if I use the same testing criteria, the results should be the same. I do have a spare Webasto which is not in the van currently I just don’t have the controllers for it to test. Although I would expect different results as this one uses a .28 fuel pump, and I believe they Webasto uses a .42

[@Swampwild1]

My application would be a series of 256 gallon ICB totes in the basement of a northern cabin. This is to keep the utilities from freezing and the whole cottage above well above zero during the October to January months. All other months there is enough sunlight for the panels to supply electricity for a normal water heater system. It is a thermal mass system done cheap. Note that a diesel air heater has to take very cold air and heat it up. The water heater is taking ambient warmer air so it is more efficient. The ICBs also supply water for cleaning and showers instead of a winter under ice intake, which has several maintenance and reliability problems. The cabin is only used occasionally in the winter but I need to avoid a full winter shut down.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

The heater could definitely keep things above freezing. Maybe need to make a system outside on its only controller to turn it on and off. I’m pretty sure the heaters have a max run time

[@Swampwild1]

@@MispronouncedAdventures I will check on that. I’m assuming that the heater would cycle on and off on a timer. Leaving the circulating water pump on always to avoid cold spots.

[@jeffsgarage8414]

Is there any reason to not run it exactly like your setup here as a water heater in a van? I could hook it to a 2.5 gallon or so insulated water tank and use it as a mini-tank water heater for the van. Any reason running straight water rather than coolant would cause issues? Then id just drain and blow out the lines for winter. I plan on having a completely separate diesel air heater to heat the van

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Yes, water does not have great properties apart from thermal transfer, it freezes at zero, and since the heater is external, if it was not on, it would freeze and potentially crack the water jacket. Water also boils at 100°, which could put pressure into the system, which could be dangerous. Additionally, water is corrosive, you would potentially see issues inside the casing over. You could take the precautions to drain in the winter, but it corrosion and boiling may still be an issue

[@jeffsgarage8414]

@@MispronouncedAdventures so maybe a better option would run this with coolant then run some sort of heat exchanger to heat eater with the coolant from this system

[@s2000.]

I wonder if the fuel pump will last on running on petrol since petrol doesn't have the lubricating properties of diesel. I heard those that have used the normal diesel air heaters on petrol have had their pumps die. It would be great to have a cheap Chinese option for a petrol powered heater, air or water.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I know what you mean, I’ve heard the same said for people running Kero on your normal Chinese diesel heaters. Although many of the expensive western brands do have petrol variants, I don’t know if they do anything particularly different in there pumps either on petrol versions

[@ourworldonwheels]

Am I really late to the party with this ChatGPT?lol that’s incredible!! I had no idea it could do things like that😮 Back to the subject👍🏼.. What I gathered from this is I could basically have wet central heating with this system instead of blown air? Like the Alde caravan/Moho systems, but run of diesel. Mount it under the van, insulate the pipes and pop up through the floor where the rads are?? Plus this can be used via a diverter /valve to include the engine coolant loop so when in cold places like you (I’m planning to)go I wouldn’t need a 2nd engine pre heater! I really want radiators in my van now! Damn you Alex!haha👍🏼👍🏼.. fancy testing a small one for fun??… Guessing any heater “like this” could do that really so I’m glad I watched this 👍🏼 cheers

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I only started using chat GPT a few months ago, but it’s an incredibly powerful tool when you know how to use it in the correct way. maths like this As long as you teach it to interpret the data how you wish then it’s great. Pretty much yes whilst I use it for an engine preheater. A hydronic heater can also be used as a wet system in a leisure campervan set up. Wet systems do become a lot more complicated, but yes, you can have diverters and valves so you could include or exclude the engine for a bit of preheating as well.

[@Cybertruck1000]

I know nothing about coding but I had a few Arduino projects with stepper motors, switches, potentiometers. I told it what I needed and it did all the coding for me. It would have taken me forever to suss it out. If you haven't done it yet. Have a go. Ask it anything and you'll be amazed. It's improving but don't rely totally on what it says and cross checking output is a good idea.

[@mymobile5014]

So right off the bat it's designed as a vehicle cooling system heater. I am looking for something to heat water in my calorifier when the engine is off for washing, showering etc. But it could still heat the engine block too. Are there reasons it could not be used in that way? You seem to suggest at the very end that this can be done.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Not necessarily just for pre heating engine. Hydronic heater are for engines or leisure use for wet heating. So it will work in the way you want with a Calorifier. Just use a mixer on the Calorifier to control output water temperature and not the heater

[@mymobile5014]

I don't know what that means about the mixer, but I'll work it out now I know it can be done. I've just recently found hydronic heaters and they solve a massive problem for me in the future. Thanks :)@@MispronouncedAdventures

[@lee8652]

Thanks for doing the gasoline test! I wonder if a slightly larger pump would work better when running gasoline...

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Potentially, but I would be worried about playing with the fuel to air ratio which is pre set. Since he doesn’t allow tuning.

[@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycles]

It is NOT a fuel pump, it is a dosing pump… The operating frequency of it does defines the fuel amount it deliverers. That frequency is controled by the ECU on the heater… in theorie you can reprogramming the ecu, but what happens with the lifespan of parts? Like the glow/flame controller? Etc?

[@ourvanviv8858]

You could use one to install a van central heating system, not sure how good if would be but I ain't seen one yet

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Yes, heaters like this/hydronic heaters are often used for wet heating systems in vans and boats

[@bulka5305]

Hi, can this thing turn on heater fan???

[@vitabenes148]

What about to try heat house radiators with this hydro heater?

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Definitely can be done. from my understanding that’s more popular in the boating community than the van one, but wet heating systems are common in some varieties of motorhomes

[@vitabenes148]

@@MispronouncedAdventures I want to try IT to heat my workshop and stabble. IT looks like very easy to clean burning chamber, si I maybe try to burn some waste oils. 🤔

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@vitabenes148 it’s not too difficult to clean the units. However, my thoughts would potentially be that units, burning waste oil might need the ability to tune them which I don’t think you can do in this model.

[@vitabenes148]

@@MispronouncedAdventures burning oils Is not a problem, if you can manualy regulate the airflow And Fuel intake. It looks, the tube has more friendly shape for burning oils, than the air heater.

[@anthonygray5581]

Would that be worth trying again to heat a radiator....

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

In the boat world, it’s more popular to do wet heating systems using a heater like this to heat radiator loops

[@superslick5677]

Thats a nice bit of kit. I have the there diesel heater and use it to heat my house, it does a good job but it would be nice to have this as well and have it go into my central heating system. How much louder is this than the heater? It sounds very loud on the video.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

You could heat central heating with it. But depending on the side of the central heating system. 5kw unit might not be enough

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

It is a rather loud unit compared to my Webasto Thermo top

[@superslick5677]

@@MispronouncedAdventures the biggest down side is not having control over the water temperature, I have a cdh and I am making a heat recovery system from the exhaust to pass through a 10L tank of water, then pump this around the central heating system, I have a small 2 bed house with 4x1200/500 rads and 2x600/500 rads, I fitted and installed the whole system and the boiler so adding this in would be easy. Would be a lot cheaper than gas in the current UK market

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@@superslick5677 to get control over the temperature could you not use a thermostatic mixer valve after the heater? “Hot water” being the output of the heater and “cold water” being the return from the Central heating?

[@superslick5677]

@@MispronouncedAdventures there are Definitely ways to make it work, using a tmv would be better on a domestic water system, so if you was going to use it for a shower or washing your hands, but for a central heating system you would need it to be hotter, and ideally for the unit to stay on say all night if it was -5c outside, the unit you tested switches off at 80c. It would be better to have the water heat up to say 65c and stay there but the unit ramping down but still staying on. Unless the unit you tested can be set up so your max water temperature is say 65c and then it turns off but then comes back on when it drops down to say 58c???

[@nick-leffler]

AFAIK coolent is used to not let the water freeze or turn to steam.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Indeed it is. People often forget about higher boil point than the normal water when running water direct in one of these and the risk of pressure that can create

[@007mbrown]

Hey 👋 don't suppose any knows how to adjust the cut out temp of 80 degrees down to say 65 ? I use mine to heat hot water in my camper and 80 is just wayyy to hot lol 😆 ... thanks Martin 😊

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

It should say somewhere in the very poorly written manual unfortunately. It also depends on what type of controller as they seem to be different and have different options.

[@JordanMeek1]

Any ideal if this unit compensates for high altitude operation? I’m at 8500 ft (2600m).

[@ausguy4385]

I was thinking of using as a air and water heater... but the water to air is more then the cheap air heaters... and this is more then a stand-alone instant hot water system

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

What standalone instant electric water heating system are you comparing it to? If it’s an LPG/propane one, I don’t think it’s right to compare two different fuel sources.

[@cantor0305]

thanks you for your effort, i have an old alde 2921 propan water heater system for my vintage motorhome, it's rated 5,4kw too but for a much more big system and 10X more expensive (3000euros the unit and a 40euros 13kg propane can last only 4 days in continue), so if it failed i will consider this chinese heater to replace it for sure.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Thank you for watching hopefully if you do consider replacing your old one with this, it works out for you

[@blackIce504]

I seen one that did hot water and air but never seen it again, right now i just have the air one and the amount of heat coming from just the exhaust via heat exchanger might make hot water easy i am wondering have you seen such a heat exchanger?

[@__WJK__]

I recall seeing air and water heater combo units a couple years ago, but haven't seen any recently. That said, search youtube for a guy by the name of "David McLuckie" as he did a really good review of a combo unit (a few years ago,) and if I recall correctly, the comment section of his video had a link that mentioned where he got the combo unti. If you actually find a combo unit, maybe comeback and post the info back here so the rest of us know where to find em.

[@gf2e]

I’ve seen arguments that adding a heat exchanger to the exhaust can put too much pressure on the exhaust and make it not burn as well. If you want hot air from a water one, maybe just add a radiator to it?

[@blackIce504]

@@gf2e sure it could but it depends for example technically every bend in an exhaust will add pressure this can be over come with less angle , larger pipe. I have nearly finished what i wanted just need a few more parts and yes i made sure that the heat exchanger is not restrictive. From what i have seen with the water models basically its the same everything with the exception one side is flat with a water block. Also remember that these things have an electric blower fan that does move allot of air it would be cool to see a dual motor design where you can have the air flow of the heatsink fan running at a different speed to the combustion fan, but i doubt many people like to copy and past.

[@michaelkarlsson9807]

Hey, that's me with the subaru. Installed it now and everything works fine, but I think the ecc starts too late.. If it's really cold, it barely has time to start within an hour. When I install ebersb. on new cars now so the ecc starts almost at once. Is it possible to adjust the start temperature in some way? Otherwise, I am thinking of connecting the ecc start with the circulation pump.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

If that’s the case, you could probably do, as you said, connecting the ECC to a circulation pump, or whatever your trigger is to turn on the hydronic heater. It seems hydronic heater, heavily prioritises engine heat first.

[@michaelkarlsson9807]

Hi again.. 63 degrees might be quite good.. maybe drill a little bigger hole in the engine thermostat for better flow.

[@michaelkarlsson9807]

Tested now in reality from 0-63 celcius took 33 min. The thing is that I am not a direct wilderness person but want to have a defrosted car in a fairly short time as I have quite close to work and want to save the battery as much as possible. Ah not going to stalk you, just got this interest for now..New challenges coming soon😀👍

[@s2000.]

Just ordered one for 233€ of aliexpress, sunster brand. Looked exactly like yours. Hoping its good. I have a air heater in the boot of my car for defrosting but it's not good for heating the cab as its too hot and heat rises leaving feet cold, plus no fresh air.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

Yes, many of them tend to be made in the same place with different names on. Hopefully this works well for you.

[@s2000.]

​@@MispronouncedAdventures Well I got it and to be honest it's a steaming heap of chinesium 😂😂 The combustion fan must be unbalanced and using the lowest quality motor there is. Super loud buzzing that is ear piercing and the vibration can also be felt through the car. No way I could want to run it on a residential street. Inside the car it's a big hum and vibration unlike with the CDH which is literally silent in comparison. And the glow plug gives nasty interference to my sound system amplifier as a loud whine. I doubt any good support will come from them. Probably rip it out, maybe a real webasto instead and throw this onto FB marketplace and try to squueze a partial refund from AE. Heating wise it's pretty decent. Controller is good, it heats the coolant, the water pump works, hose is ok. Remote is fiddly and low range, but no problem as I soldered a GSM gate switch to the power button. Too little fuel hose, luckily I had some. If it heats the coolant to 80 and the interior fan starts at 64c there is barely any time for it to defrost which is less than ideal. Wonder what temp the webasto starts the cabin fan at.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

@s2000. Sorry to hear yours isn’t very good! In my own van as I did say in the video I use a secondhand webasto I got off eBay with a third party controller. Many of the third-party controllers have a Fan outfit so you can connect up to relay power of the cabin fan

[@firionrazar3797]

I bought mine more then a year ago, wanted to integrate it into heating hot water and powering it off waste oil, but watching a few videos about that subject made me abandon the idea. The only thing I could imagine using it was in the summer warming my small pool (5000l). I used it about 7 days total, heating the water indirectly through a copper tube and directly, letting the tiny pump suck up the water and heat it. The latter gave me the results I wanted (summer, not autumn). The unit itself doesn't look or feel to shabby still wouldn't dare to mount it in my vehicle.

[@MispronouncedAdventures]

I’ve heater of a few people using them to heat pools. I haven’t done the maths but I’d imagine for a pool 5kw might be a bit slow, 10,12 or 16 might be a better option. To be honest I don’t know the normal Kw of pool heaters

[@firionrazar3797]

@@MispronouncedAdventures Yes, totally share the same opinion on that. I bought it, didn't find any use for it beside reusing it for the pool.