This New Battery Will Change Boating Forever!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Here's a "behind the scenes" video that Solid State Marine just posted for those of you who want to see inside of the battery! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4rdZZSIaNehrqMsi=_MYBxw5rwLEwpWu5

Are you damn blind? They just showed the battery completion, not anywhere near an assembly of solid state cells. Again, wrong.

Due to other commenters research on this product's background (which is sketchy) and the company, this video has been reported to KZbin for misinformation and could be a risk to property or injury or death secondary to to fire risks. I suggest you all do the same that finds this video misleading.

[@SolidStateMarine]

Thanks for posting! We're bringing more content showing safety and performance of our cells and batteries. Post back here if you want us to consider one of your test methods!

[@semloh1960]

@@SolidStateMarine The video of the cell being heated shows the cell expanding until right before bursting. True SS cells would not expand.

[@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953]

Spark was inrush current to charge the capacitors in the inverter. You could use a limiting resistor to pre charge the caps before connecting in future 😉

[@joew5559]

You should let Will prose know he will put it through the test definitely the right person for that…. Great job with the video. Thank you for letting us know.

[@russbritt4100]

@joew5559 agreed wondering why they don't make batteries for homes

[@mrhalfstep]

The capacitors in your inverter drew a large current from your battery to charge themselves up. That was what caused the bid spark. Don't be embarrassed, we've all done it. LOL You can buy a resister to clip to you inverter input cable to slow down that precharge current and eliminate the arc, or you can just expose the lead at both ends of a carpenter pencil and situate it between the battery terminal and the wire for a few seconds. The latter is what I do.

[@billredding2000]

I don't do anything -- the spark is harmless.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

@@billredding2000 The arc caused by inrush current to the caopacitors can erode the terminals over several cycles of connecting and disconnecting.

[@billredding2000]

@@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Thank for the correction, -- BR

[@FewerOptions-mx7qt]

You can also use a test light

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

OOoo I have one of those!

[@danlazer8762]

Great overview of a new product with the limited information at hand. The holy grail of batteries; lightweight, long lasting, and durable. Cost is always a factor but balanced with individual needs and wants. The older I get the lighter I want my batteries to be! I’ll look forward to future videos and updated information on this and other solid state batteries.

[@SolidStateMarine]

@danlazer8762 - reach out if you have any questions! We're excited to finally bring this technology to market (after so many years of development)!

[@veganpotterthevegan]

I would be very surprised if those were legit solid state cells. The battery getting warm like that with a relative modest load for a large SS battery is telling

[@artsmith103]

The load was 0.33C and the battery lasted 3hrs. Those are pretty optimum full load conditions.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@artsmith103 that should be a walk in the park for a legitimate solid state battery

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@artsmith103 the small number of buyable solid-state batteries that have been opened up by buyers have all proven to be illegitimate. If this were legit at the advertised price, I'd buy 2 of them right now. I'd probably pay double IF they were legit. Its highly unlikely they are though. Not at that price and not with getting so warm with a 0.33c discharge. You can be sure that the first legitimate battery we'll be able to buy will be inside a phone or smart watch. It'll be a couple years after where we can buy an assembled battery like this that not laughably expensive.

[@SJMessinwithBoats]

​@@veganpottertheveganList one please, so we all can know!

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@SJMessinwithBoats aren't any to list yet. Absolutely not in this form factor. The first SS batteries will come in a phone and smart watch. Then we'll need to wait at least a year or two to get a battery like this. And it won't be this cheap.

[@SuperSushidog]

They may be lighter than using prismatic cells, but they are much more expensive. I recently built a 320ah battery using 16 EVE MB-31 LiFePo-4 prismatic and a 200a Heltec smart BMS. It cost me about $1,800 including shipping and the material for a compression fixture. Five of those 60ah batteries (300ah) cost $10,500. On a kwh basis my 16.4 kwh battery cost less than $110/kwh. These supposedly "solid state marine" batteries have 3.024kwh (written on the side) and cost $2,100 or $694/kwh so they are over 6 times the price per kwh. My battery weighs about $185 lbs. or 11.3 lbs./kwh. The battery you mentioned weighs 31lbs or 10.25lbs.kwh. or 9% lighter than my prismatic cell battery. Of course, the marine battery is no doubt waterproof whereas mine is not, which is not needed in my motorhome like it would be in a boat. One would need to put it in a sealed box to use it in a marine application.

[@sagecoach]

Still running lead acid golf car batteries in my 20 ft pontoon boat with a 4hp Ray Electric outboard motor, 14 years now. 100% solar charging. The batteries are heavy but I don't have to remove them for winter layup in northern Wisconsin. Battery replacement was at 9 years, at a cost of, $100 per year.

[@danielkorzeniowski1308]

From my research I think the battery user a DALY BMS so you need the (smart bms) app, make sure to wake the BMS up before you try connecting the Bluetooth, do it by making current flow through the battery

[@sunlightconversions828]

@@danielkorzeniowski1308 Wow, I was already super skeptical of this company. If they are using Daly, they really are clueless. These are an accident waiting to happen

[@olafschermann1592]

You got the sparks because inverters have large capacitors. You should use a high current resistor for 5sec to charge the caps before you connect the battery.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Ahhh - that's nice to know!!

[@olafschermann1592]

@ happened even to me as i knew it before but didn‘t think about it every time.

[@johnwest7993]

Your inverter probably had large input capacitors and the battery spark was caused by the battery charging those input capacitors. Solid State cells are available from a couple of sources. But I believe most are also lithium chemistry. They are smaller and lighter because the liquid part of the chemical has been removed and they play tricks mechanically and chemically to get away without a liquid electrolyte to move the charge between the electrodes. The battery company product you reviewed just buys those cells and builds their batteries with them. They have not invented a new type of electro-chemical cell. Those come from the researchers at major battery corporations, like CATL. The problem with the solid state cells up till now is that with the electrodes in the cells so close together (because there is no liquid flow of ions,) they have a bad habit of chemically growing dendrites, things like little metallic stalactites that short between the anode and cathode as the batteries sit unused. In short, the cells short. I wouldn't expect that battery to last very long, as the actual cell manufacturers are still working on solving the dendrite problem as well as the problem that the cells physically expand and contract with charging and discharging. Finally, there are a few other problems, like them not liking to perform efficiently in cool weather. When reviewing new batteries it's important to look at the physical and chemical composition of the cells used in the battery, because they ALL have trade-offs. Some may have great power output power, but poor shelf life or low cycle life. Batteries are all composed of chemicals reacting within mechanical structures, and as such there are all sorts of characteristics, various pluses and minuses associated with each. I wouldn't spend a dime on any cell chemistry and manufacturing process that hadn't been successfully on the market for 2 or 3 years. You'll just run the risk of ending up making a warranty call to a disconnected line at a bankrupt company.

[@motormadness3035]

The electric Outboards are interesting but most of us have the hobby of boating, not electric outboarding. We liked your videos on the outboards the average joe can afford like the 4 hp evinrude and the 2.3,2 5 mercury. We love wayne the boat guy :)

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I will be doing some more gas engine content in the future.

[@WayneTheSeine]

Grab you a pack of 25W ceramic resistors off of Amazon for about $7 and hold it inline on your last lead to connect. Leave it there for a few seconds so it charges the capacitors without surging. I wonder what the power curve of the battery is and the max number of charge cycles (life expectancy)? I do not find any technical specs on their website, which is kind of concerning. It is great that it can be charged below freezing, negating the necessity of buying a self-heating LifePo battery. They look promising. EDIT: There PDF file shows a cycle life of 3000 cycles (80% DOD),

[@andrievbastichy8551]

the terminal pop.. or spark. is when its charging the inverter capacitors. if you use a ceramic 100 ohm resistor in between the wire and the terminal for a couple secs.. it will charge the capacitors and you wont get a pop when you connect it.

[@marcfruchtman9473]

Thanks for the video. I think it is very important for certifications and manuals to be Downloadable and visible on the website.

[@milehighhydroguy]

since I have experience running out of battery power and having to pedal my way back in from 3 miles out on Lake Michigan in my Native Slayer Max 12.5 kayak, TWICE! I will stay with my choice of gas powered outboard for my new 12' skiff I just built and I ordered a new Tohatsu 5HP Propane powered outboard for it! until batteries come WAY down in price and LAST WAY longer.

[@rjwintl]

I got my Tohatsu 6hp ( 4-stroke , of course ) from Defender Industries in Connecticut back in 2022 and for the last two years it runs like a dream on my flat bottom 12 foot wooden boat on the James River here in Virginia !!!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah we have to think differently when we are running electric and in places like a kayak - we can't easily bring along a second battery for the ride home. On my boats I use the apps and also pay attention to my speed/run time. I also usually have a second battery with me just in case!

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

I hear ya, as I have the 10.6 Titan and the new Titan X in 12.6, both with elect. motors on them (NK180 and NK300), but have never had to peddle back to the launch ramp (thank Goodness for the Propel Drive on Native Watercraft, as I peddled my 10.6 around for 6 years before the Newport). Plus, I have a sail I carry, just in case! Lol...

[@jimmurphy5355]

I know "why it did that" (big spark.) Inverters have large capacitors on their input. Those caps pull a huge burst of current to charge up when you connect the battery. It doesn't matter if there is a load on the battery, nor does it matter which lead you connect first. It's pretty much a given you will get a spark like that when connecting an inverter to a battery by hand. You can use a DC rated breaker as a switch, or pre-charge the caps in the inverter through a low value high wattage resistor. A 1 ohm 25 watt resistor is a reasonable value. The battery meter on the inverter is probably calibrated based on the voltage VS state of charge for a lead acid battery. That doesn't give a useful reading when using a lithium battery. The lithium ion cells in this battery charge from 3 volts per cell to 4.2 volts per cell. 12 volts at emtpy, 16.8 volts at 100% full. That's very different than the voltage VS charge for a lead acid "12 volt" battery. The BMS in the battery does "coulomb counting" to monitor how many amp hours have gone into or out of the battery. That is a fairly accurate measure.

[@csharknet]

Excellent response

[@samdorchester2524]

The spark is from your inverter capacitors. They need to be discharged first.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Good to know!!

[@sunlightconversions828]

Wayne! We have been over this. It’s not solid state. I do appreciate you not whole heartedly buying into it and being honest about your skepticism. Invite me over and I will prove this is no better than any turnary battery that has been on the market for a decade.

[@fernandodambros4693]

@@sunlightconversions828 think this one use LiPo cells...

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Will we have to take it apart? Because I like using it!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

But the fact that this almost of half the weight of LiFePo4 and smaller while delivering the advertised Ah is something that seems pretty huge in the consumer space. Our choices seem to be: heavy lead acid, LiFePo4 and now this - which is lighter. What's not to like?

[@BrandonsGarage]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Comparing it to my 48v 60ah battery, its half the size.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

@@BrandonsGarageand this thing weighs only 35 lbs!

[@harryhoesch3793]

Did the LiPO4 battery get hot? Could be a major issue, that manuals aren't ready to address.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I don't recall if I checked during the test (I should have!) - but I think my LiFePo4 batteries do get warm as well.

[@geraldkoth654]

That is just a pouch cell Lithium Ion battery. And that is the type that can catch fire and be impossible to put out. Fortunately for the fire fighters, the boat will sink and submerge the battery. It will not go out right away, but it will be much safer for all those around.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

How can you assume that? Are Lithium Ion pouch cells lighter and smaller than Lifepo4 alternatives?

[@mrblurleighton]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Yes. That's why LFP batteries aren't used in supercars even with all their benefits. We knowingly use these heavier LFP batteries because of safety, longevity and other factors. I searched their website and could find no reference to the amount of cycles to expect from their packs. Modern LFPs easily do 4000+ cycles, so I was expecting to see at least 10000cycles for that price, yet suspiciously there's just no data to be found, or it's well hidden.

[@mrblurleighton]

​@@WayneTheBoatGuy PS. Note how the company has solid state jn the name, so they seem to be calling all of their products solid state products 🤦🏽‍♂️ I've yet to see a single thing that actually looks solid state here sadly.

[@semloh1960]

the company claims they have a solid electrolyte. if this is true they are solid state

[@juancortezavega5666]

@@semloh1960 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@eddiejiang6789]

Just checked their website and found it very expensive. 48v 60ah costs over $2000, which is almost 4x of LiFePo4 batteries. Scary!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yes they are expensive now - but who knows what things will be like in a year.

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

Just looked at them for my kayak motors, and the ARE a little "Pricey" compared to the LFPo batteries, but a LOT lighter. When they have been on the market a while (and have Blue Tooth built in), they should take the "Field of Sales" by Storm...! Thanks for this info, and I'll be checking back with that company in the near future.

[@FredMcGee-gn2dm]

Another great product video, thank you. I wish I could get them to send me a battery to review on my site. 🙂

[@zgomez68]

Those look like lithium ion pouch cells

[@leeloy2108]

@zgomez68 pouch as in lipo battery

[@mindbender50]

Pre charge resistor look it up :)

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Thanks! A few others have shared that as well. It would be nice if the inverter came with one or indicated how important it is!

[@ronniepirtlejr2606]

You were running off of a battery with much lower voltage. The inverter capacitors we're still at that lower voltage. When you hooked up the higher voltage battery, your inverter capacitors zapped some juice from it until your capacitors were full!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I had no idea these 48 volt batteries would make a spark

[@NakeanWickliff]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Buy a cheap resistor. Touch the resistor to the battery and the inverter plug for about 5 seconds. This will charge those capacitors but much slower without the spark. Then you can connect everything without a spark. Happened to me too and scared the crap out of me. I think it was a good thing because it reminds you to respect electricity!

[@luimackjohnson302]

Amazingly Brilliant! Thank you for sharing thsi video. That's the type of battery I need right away in my place. Greetings from Madang, Papua New Guinea.

[@crazyobservations3080]

Yeah the price is astronomical.

[@TG-lp9vi]

How do you charge it?

[@SJMessinwithBoats]

The inverter is consuming more then its ouput, so therefore output of the battery is more than the inverters' output meter.

[@All_A_Guy_Needs]

And I just ordered a Redodo battery this week…Wayne you’re killing my wallet!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I know - sorry!!

[@PunkR0ckz09]

You're better off with your ReDoDo LiFePo4 in my opinion. Compare the "Solid State" 12V 90Ah to your ReDoDO. Theirs is 999$, ReDoDo is 299$. You could buy 3 before you could even buy 1 of the "solid state" batteries. Not worth the investment at all. If you were to compare weight, you'd be at around 14lbs vs 20lbs. Now, wire them so that you have 12V 300Ah, you're at 60lbs for your ReDoDos for 900$, while their 12V 300Ah is 2599$ and weighs 43lbs. You're about 50% heavier, for the same capacity, but at almost 30% the price. You'd be able to afford 9 batteries for the same price of their one. MUCH more valuable.

[@soggyb4082]

That’s an expensive gamble for the common man. Hope something comes from it. Lead Acid technology to Lithium took over 100 years to upgrade, so I expect a while longer to ever beat it for power and price.

[@gjordan8800]

What kind of charge did you use? Is there a special charger? You have to buy?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I used a charger that I had purchased for my 48 volt LiFePo4 batteries.

[@scanadaze]

I would like a question answered, please. I have been looking for a couple of years for an electric motor for my boat. I own a 21-foot pontoon boat that has an 18-hp motor. What's the best electric motor for my type of boat? Thanks.

[@eddiejiang6789]

How about EZ-X20 by GoldenMotor?

[@scanadaze]

@eddiejiang6789 Thanks

[@rok7980]

What type of charger do you need for this type of battery?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I used the same charger I use for my Lifepo4 batteries.

[@primate2744]

Pretty cool, but for my application I would need the 36v 120 and that battery is almost $3000. I can buy 4 sets of the batteries I use for that price. That's like 8-10 years worth of batteries for me.

[@arcadiosjose398]

Will a golf cart battery work on the EPro

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Probably if it can be set up for 48 volts - but ideally in marine applications batteries should be ip67 rated for protection against water intrusion.

[@jerryq1000]

I think in one of your previous battery videos, you showed where the ideal operating efficiency range was between 20%-80% charge for LiPo battery...does the manufacturer show anything like this, or did your testing indicate anything to that effect?

[@SolidStateMarine]

Hi Jerry, the capacity that is shown on the batteries can be interpreted as "usable capacity" meaning that we expect the users to charge to 100% and can discharge all the way to 0%.

[@Oldworkinman]

Thats because the inverter was charged. They use a resister to drain the capacitor first before connecting up again.

[@miken7629]

Inverter has capacitors that were still charged, they will drain over time

[@17quarters48]

Hi Wayne, I have Catalina sail boat, the biggest problem with lithium is the alternator charging issue, when the battery is fully charged the BMS shuts off and the alternator goes up in smoke, have the solved this problem with the solid state?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I have no idea - but that's clearly an issue!

[@johnstreet797]

Look online for a "bank manager". It will solve all your battery and alternator diode problems. Or just include one lead battery with your lithium's. A little heavy but it works.

[@17quarters48]

@johnstreet797 thank you, the boat has a separate starter battery, I can just leave that in the system when the motor is running

[@thomassenator8170]

@17quarters48 That is NOT the problem. When Lithiums approach FULLY charged the current from the alternators go down to almost nothing and if charging shuts off then you won't blow the diodes in the alternator. The problems happen when lithiums are mostly empty and low. Thats when the lithiums are asking for the most current (Bulk charge) and two things can happen. One is some of the alternators are not designed for full current for too long & over heat because Lithoums will take anything you give them. And Two if the alternator is giving out full charge AND something happens that tells the lithium to shut down (e.g, over current etc)then it will cause a situation where the alternator diodes can't handle the sudden shutdown and blow. Thus alternator is useless until fixed.

[@andrievbastichy8551]

yes please,, lighter batteries with big capacity. Even cheaper shipping should occur too!

[@mhoover]

You know...if someone really had come up with something so much better than Li it would have been big news.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

The problem these days is that even when there actually is big news - we tend to doubt it.

[@OhNoMINE]

I believe you didn't turn your inverter off causing the unit to requier instant juice

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

The inverter was off - but apparently (from what other commenters have said) they hold voltage

[@royrunyon1286]

A better test would have been to put your motor in a water-filled barrel and run the motor with the batteries. You're losing efficiency by converting the DC out of the battery and converting it to AC with the inverter to run your AC space heater.

[@leonhardtkristensen4093]

For the test of the battery the load is irrelevant as long as it is the same load for all tests unless a boat motor gives very uneven load conditions and if that was the case two tests with the same battery might give different results.

[@leeinwis]

Is there a liquid state one ?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Lead acid is liquid state, AGM is liquid state, LiFePo4 is liquid state, AA batteries are liquid state. Most battery technology is liquid state which is why this is big news.

[@tommyschroeder]

ALWAYS pre charge your inverters with a resistor.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Ahhh - is that the key?

[@dan32one44]

It’s a pouch cell…

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

How do you know?

[@dan32one44]

@ will P

[@kchedville]

So it can't be used to Crank an engine in a Boat ? -- like a Sea-Doo Switch , which has a 170hp Rotax engine in it...

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

This one is a 48 volt battery - they have 12 volt batteries but there are certainly cheaper options for cranking an engine.

[@Avatarsubwoofer]

It sparked because it's charging the capacitors in the inverter

[@larsltj]

Looks like pouch cells, they have been around for a long time. A real solid state battery would be even smaller and lighter.

[@matthewharr6372]

I winched at the price (seeing as the battery costs and much as a small jon boat) but if it lasts as long or longer than a traditional battery then I could see getting one.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah they're pretty steep at the moment but LiFePo4 keeps getting cheaper so who knows what prices might be like in 6-12 months.

[@rogerkerkmann]

Whats the number of cycles?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

That's a good question!

[@IanSR1970]

Another commenter said there is a PDF on the Solid State Marine website that states 3000 cycles @ 80% D.O.D.

[@jimhofoss9982]

3000 cycles would be inferior to LiFePO4 prismatic cells. Tells me these are not solid state electrolyte.

[@jwbos85]

Naais video, Next time, when connecting an inverter to a battery, use a resistor to charge the capacitors in the inverter first. Then connect the inverter terminals to the battery.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

Ouuuu, I bet them batteries are friendly to solar panels and led lights? 🤔

[@raytruck5799]

Heater is a resistive load, motor is inductive load. Not an exact compare.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I'm not sure I understand what that is or why it matters. Basically I was comparing the advertised Amp Hours for both batteries and one that is 60 Ah should last almost 2x as long as one that is 32 Ah and the 60 Ah battery lasted more than 2x the time of the 32 Ah battery - so to me it performed as advertised.

[@adamtedder1012]

They are extremely expensive right now.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yes they are. But they are very new and historically there will be people who can and will pay for the new technology and those people who will pave the way for lower prices in the future!

[@olafschermann1592]

Self built LifePo4 51V 15kwh: $1500

[@timscanlan1466]

I guess I'm just an "ole fart" that believes you can't beat an internal combustion engine. To put it in perspective, I believe an automatic transmission in a car is a fad that will never catch on

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I was very attached to engines and still admire the simple mechanical charisma of cars before emissions control. But the magic of “click” and go is pretty sweet.

[@rlr4294]

Yes 2 and 4 stroke Rule .

[@StuffTested]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy and it requires much less maintenance too.

[@mrblurleighton]

Haha. That's actually one of the reason why I like electric powered transportation. Just one gear ratio tends to be enough, so there's usually no need for any sort of gear shifting whether automatic or manual. Electric motors are so simple that kids in India are building them, but the really great batteries just aren't being produced on a local scale. I hope that we one day have those capabilities, along with local production for proper wind and solar equipment too.

[@leonhardtkristensen4093]

How can you use something so fancy as an ICE. Oar's are the go. They never run out of fuel. (Just a little joke!).

[@knecting]

That price is crazy and furthermore who wants to be the guinea pig. You have to be very careful also that the product is not from a Chinese manufacturer who faces no consequences if your boat burns down because they never did the testing.

[@DaMerk5]

When we can get a capacity of about double what that solid state is for less than the price of LFP then battery powered boats will really take off...we're a LONG way from that happening

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

It's hard to say. We have come a long way in the last few years!

[@JohnBraman413]

they're lighter batteries which is good. less weight on boats.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yes I think these have a lot of potential for the really large HP electric outboards

[@_Subaru_2024]

About that spark, this is just a guess but maybe it sparked because you were completing the circuit. Maybe if you had a circuit breaker, hooked up and turned off the circuit breaker, then connected the wires to the battery it would not have sparked? I'm curious to what others have to say that have more experience with electronics.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah that seems logical. It was surprising!

[@r3d3y3z]

Converter capacitor. Connect using resister or those charge tester with the light bulb in a screwdriver shape

[@mannyfragoza9652]

$1000.00 for 90Ah you can keep them

[@dailyrider2975]

Still cheaper than Lithium batteries from early 2020s. 1/2 kWh EV bike battery was going for $400+, so 2.5kWh of battery then was same as this 3 kWh solid state that is 1/2 weight, charges faster and should have longer life span. Just one of these in a EV velomobile would be amazing. Get rid of the giant death mobiles, ICE and EV.

[@Rico11b]

Hell yes, that is an "astronomical" price!!! I'll stick with my old trusty lead-acid batteries.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

It might be time to at least consider LiFePo4 and save yourself a lot of weight

[@Secondwind2010]

I know they are coming but not here yet.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

This one IS HERE and on the market!

[@naroddyzmow5356]

Solid state new?

[@SHMIDTEY]

So its not lithium based? Seems strange they are being so cagey about its battery chemistry. Or is "solid state" a new category of battery chemistry not based on lithium?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I am not sure what is inside or how it is made. But we've been hearing about many milestones and prototypes of solid state batteries for the last few years and this seems to indicate that some of this new technology is finally coming to market.

[@jimthvac100]

Looks like it is just pouch cells.

[@stephenarnold2520]

Thank you for the video. I was hoping you would follow up with these guys for an up front review. I love electric setups. They are the future of boating.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Thanks! I was very excited to make this one

[@gatecrasher1970]

dude why you not tell us how long it takes to charge up lol?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I didn't time it.

[@MrChadx1]

Because it depends on what amp battery charger you use; just like with any other battery. So it will vary depending on charger. Battery capacity in ah divided by amps of charger = time to charge. a 12v 100ah battery charged with a 50 amp charger will take about 30 minutes to charge. Same battery using a 10amp charger will take 10 hours to charge. A 48v 60ah battery using a 48v 20amp charger will take 3 hours. etc.

[@eagleray1]

The stats on the box are inconsistent. I checked multiple packs on their website, and they all have wonky stats. For instance, your pack says 48V, 60AH, and 3024Wh. Those numbers don't match. 48 x 60 = 2880, not 3024. Did you capacity-test it? Runtime is fine, if you specify the amp draw. Every motor has a unique amp draw, so each will affect total runtime. But the capacity can be measured independently of draw. If you use an ammeter between the battery and the inverter, it'll tally either amp hours or watt hours or both. That's what you need. If your battery doesn't hit the 3024 mark, the capacity is advertised falsely. Also, the pricing is more than 4X LiFePO4 equivalent. Some people might be willing to pay 4X for 1/2 weight & 1/2 size, but it's important to highlight the entire tradeoff. Also, it's important to highlight that these batteries are potentially extremely dangerous in failure (unless proven otherwise by failure tests). From solid state tests we've seen so far, I would personally never put these on a manned boat until I see someone put a drill through the side of one of them. If it creates an inferno in failure like I expect, it could take out your whole boat in under a minute, and that is not satisfactory for marine use IMO. Please take extra care when testing these on the water until we know more. Don't go out farther than you're confident you can swim.

[@eagleray1]

I should specify also that it behooves the company, not youtubers, to make failure test videos to prove these are safe. If you ask them to do that, and they refuse, it's not a good sign.

[@eagleray1]

Also, there are some instances creeping up of companies advertising "solid state" when they're actually just newer generation LiFePO4. The telltale sign is weight. If they're 5-10% lighter than equivalent-capacity-LiFePO4, then they're not actually solid state. They're just regular LiFePO4 with shady marketing. That's why weight comparison is key.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

They actually do have 'failure test videos' on their website - solidstatemarine.com/pages/safety

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

With regards to the weight this one seems to pass the test because both batteries were 48 Volt and this one was 60 Ah and weighed the same as a 32 Ah LiFePo4.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I think I understand what you're saying with regards to an ammeter test. I don't have one of those and I bought the inverter specifically to test this battery so that I wouldn't have to spend several hours on the water (because it is getting cold where I live). I merely look at the simple aspects that a typical end user might consider - cost, weight, Amp Hours. Hopefully someone with a better understanding of battery internals and expected metrics (like Will Prowse) will get their hands on one of these soon.

[@Shawn-ts4jw]

Overpriced pouch cells lol

[@AbbyNormalGarage]

How would it compare to your Mercury 3.3 and a 2 gallon can in speed and run time? For 2k just for the battery you could buy a brand new 5 and a decent amount of gas or a nice used 5hp and several seasons worth of gas! The cost of these alternatives still limit them to people that are at electric only lakes. I’m baised though I’d rather listen to 2 stroke all day!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Even the cheapest LiFePo4 batteries and cheapest 3 hp "equivalent" electric outboards don't seem to beat the gasoline versions when it comes to upfront cost, top end speed and range. But theoretically (for now because this stuff is relatively new) over the course of 5 plus years of average use, an electric setup is going to cost less because of the ongoing costs of fuel and maintenance since an electric has no impeller, no winterizing, no oil, spark plugs or lower unit oil and no pull start. It changes the ride from being about enjoying the engine to enjoying the water because the propulsion system is no longer part of the "fun".

[@AbbyNormalGarage]

@ I think that last part is where my problem is. A good example would be my Run a bout I searched high and low for a 70’s boat in good condition with a Mercury inline 6. I wanted the look and that good sound. Bonus points for scoring with a distributer. They have a unique whine to them. On the skiff when the 35 johnrude needed rebuild I searched for months for a 40hp Mercury 4 cylinder for that sound because I had 1956 mark 55 I ran for years. Fuel economy, quietness and maintenance never were factors. I’m the exception not the rule! The question is how long does the 2k battery hold up. Is it going to be like hybrids where after 4-5 years they don’t hold a charge well? That cost would far exceed the gas maintenance. Not to mention being “modern” there’s planned obsolescence in play.

[@MrChadx1]

@@AbbyNormalGarage Sticking with ICE simply because you love ICE outboards is a perfect reason. I have both and always will. But it is untrue that batteries only lasting 4 - 5 years in hybrids (I assume you mean vehicles). Hybrids are one of the most under-stressed applications for batteries. Even full electric vehicles have dispelled this myth that batteries are going bad left and right. There is some degradation in the first portion of their lifecycle but that degradation tapers off. There are many whitepapers available comparing the cost of ownership break-even-point between ICE and EV vehicles over the lifetime of the chassis including battery life and it still pencils out to not be a concern because the life expectancy of the battery and electric motors is so long, cost to charge is so low, maintenance so low, etc. I have ICE outboard on my boat and used to have gas kicker. Have switched to electric trolling motor with two big LiFePO4 batteries and it works so well, I sold my gas kicker (for more than the batteries cost). I can troll 2mph for 25hours on those two batteries. 8 hours at 3mph. Love it.

[@roblastname9133]

Always negative first

[@NiteWolfeFishing]

Something is way off here. First off your weights are not correct. A standard size 100ah lifepo4 only weights around 24 pounds.. So some thing is very wrong with your weights! And if you drop down to the 100ah mini lifepo4 that use pouch cells that weight drops to only 19 pounds and a much much smaller footprint. I think you have been hoodwinked!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

The LiFePo4 battery I weighed was a 48 volt 32 Ah battery - not a 12 volt 100 Ah

[@eddanca]

33.6 lbs and 32AH lifepro4 that seams way off

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

It's a 48 volt battery.

[@eddanca]

@ oh ok 👍

[@mfgc2610]

Yikes! Not affordable!

[@vevenaneathna]

what? i build 32ah lifepo4 batteries for my cars. they weigh 7lb each and are about 1/8th the size of all the batteries you compaired. not really understanding the point of all this. the enclosure and cell packaging is the main issue with lithium batteries, not their density. the batteries cost 45 bucks each and take up half the volume of a mini ammo can....

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Are you building 48 volt batteries? These are 48 volt batteries - not 12 volt batteries.

[@vevenaneathna]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy not messing with 48 volts. theyre still twice the size if i strung 4 of them in series.... 28lbs. not very excited about so called solid state stuff. just use pouch cells

[@mrmomb]

Stay away from pouch cells.

[@mindbender50]

too pricey!!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

New tech often is!

[@offroadoffshore153]

Posted twice, twice deleted. A large smell here.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I haven’t deleted any comments.

[@offroadoffshore153]

@WayneTheBoatGuy Well someone did.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

@@offroadoffshore153 Sometimes the KZbin bots seem to flag certain words and also links. I allow all the comments/opinions on my videos.

[@offroadoffshore153]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Weird..It was technical with technical references. It had a link..I will take it out and try again

[@offroadoffshore153]

Had a another go with no linky. Cheers

[@gultim59]

It said lithium ION on the cell that you showed. That is the dangerous lithium chemistry that can explode and burst into flame. Do you want that in your boat when your far from shore? Lifepo4 is the much safer lithium chemistry.

[@IanSR1970]

@@gultim59 LiFePo⁴ is one of many different lithium ion battery chemistries. The 2 types of lithium ion batteries that suffer from thermal runaway (i.e. catch fire) are lithium polymer (Li-Po) & lithium nickel manganese cobalt (Li-NMC), & LiFePo⁴ is the safest current lithium ion battery chemistry. Your first two sentences are grossly misleading 🤷🏻

[@gultim59]

Lithium-Ion Chemistries with High Thermal Runaway Risk. These are the least stable under overcharging conditions: 1. Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO₂) Risk: High Why: Cobalt oxide releases oxygen under thermal stress, which fuels runaway reactions. Applications: Smartphones, laptops, and small electronics. 2. Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide (LiNiMnCoO₂ or NMC) Risk: Moderate to High Why: Nickel increases the likelihood of thermal instability during overcharge. Applications: EVs and power tools. 3. Lithium Nickel Cobalt Aluminum Oxide (LiNiCoAlO₂ or NCA) Risk: High Why: High nickel content leads to oxygen release and instability under overcharge. Applications: High-energy-density EVs (e.g., Tesla). What lithium-ion chemistry are the cells in this battery?

[@carlhohn4802]

It sparked because you had the load of inverter and heater on the battery wanting to draw out the current. Current at one Amp is 6.24 billion electrons jumping between your connection. They way they creat a nuclear explosion is to use materials with more electrons around the atom and drive them off all at once so they scramble to nuturalize themselfs creating a massive sub atomic explosion. Hydrogen from heavy water or Putonium. 2 high school students in 1976 deigned a nuclear bomb from the info they got out of the Los Angeles library which mysteriously burnt down afterwards. Those little electrons travel at 128 milion, million, million miles per hour so you can't catch the little buggers either.

[@JunitafluxcyfatriciaJunita]

If they say it's a prototype /Limited production , i don't have problem. But if they say it will be mass produced this year or next year, I'll just laugh. 😂🤣🤣 Try asking what their current production capacity is?

[@artsmith103]

As long as they don't misquote people months of delivery, what difference does it make?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

They have been shipping since the spring and when I requested this specific model it came within a week. I don't think their production capacity is very high because at the moment the demand isn't very high. Marine batteries are not a huge demand item and at a higher cost point than LiFePo4 and being new technology, demand is probably quite small.

Wayne, take down this video. So many mis guided statements it’s embarrassing.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Oh? Please provide examples.

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Look at your comments dude. You are just embarrassing yourself.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

There are people who doubt this technology in the comments. New things can be scary.

@@WayneTheBoatGuy There's nothing scary about new technology. Your take is just stupid. Misrepresentation of something different is not only unethical, it's also moronic.

[@Joey-nq2ec]

It doesn't make sense, why would I want this monster on my boat? It is bigger than my 235 amp hour trojan and weighs half but only deliver 60 amp hours. NO THANKS, cost is huge compared to lead acid.

[@rlr4294]

Experts all over the World are trying to come up with a Battery that Last and are save . so far they Have not . Batteries are a fire and Explosion Hazard . you should be more Careful . What wait Two Thousand Dollars for a Battery ??

[@SD-ft6gs]

I love how people who daily put highly flammable liquid and highly explosives gas into their vehicles or motors with super heated metal parts always bring up the danger of explosive batteries. ha ha ha what a joke. just like with gasoline, diesel and oil you have to take precautions when using any device that can have explosive chemical reactions, but as far as general dangers go, your car/truck /boat with a combustion engine are MUCH more dangerous.

[@rlr4294]

@@SD-ft6gs Don't be a Fool . Fool. Batteries need little reason to Blow up ,That Battery Wayne arced could have blow up in his Face . People are walking around with these Batteries inside , And handling them as they get installed , Batteries produce Hydrogen , Some batteries have been taken off the market because of Fire Hazzard . Nothing funny about it ! And also you put Gas in the Rear tank not on Superheated Metal part . Quit trolling

[@rlr4294]

@@SD-ft6gs If You Have no Knowledge of the Subject you can just Google it sometimes Google can Help .

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Batteries are getting better, safer, and more reliable at a very fast pace.

[@rlr4294]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Agreed

[@BTSflyer]

You got to be BS us I have a 55AH LFP battery and it weighs 18lbs and have a 100AH LFP battery and it weighs 25lb. I don't believe anything your saying dude. Such a BS channel.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Are yours 12 volt? These are 48 volt which is why they’re heavier. And you can double check the weights of any of these batteries with the web sites that sell them.

[@Tommy-h8v4h]

Soon we don't need toxic batteries at all:-) Free energy devices will most probably be available next year for average joes and businesses, but ONLY through a referral and subscription based community (not MLM)! Until now there is only a few well known businesses world wide that has gained access to this free energy technology, incl but not limited to, a huge chain of stores, and a big theme park. The rest will have to wait for official announcements in 2025, or contact me so that I can help them get in touch with the right people. The devices will have great properties: light weight, non toxic, self-charged in 7 sec when needed, self-contained, portable... I wish you all a nice rest of december 🙂