We Are Not All Feminists | Edwina Currie | Oxford Union

Edwina Currie opposes the motion that we are all feminists.
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Edwina Currie begins by honoring Camila Batmanghelidh for the work that she does with children, following this she talks about the days when she was at Oxford and the ridiculous rules that were imposed saying that only boy was allowing in a girl room overnight as long as she paid for extra linin. Two boys were only allowing in the room at one time meaning that when her family came to visit her boyfriend had to stand outside whilst her father and brother were in the room.
She says she disagrees with feminism on two counts both cultural and practical. On the cultural side there is a part of feminism that hates men and this is disagreeable in Edwina's opinion. Also there is the theory that women should be equal to men in every way shape and form, which denigrates and diminishes the life experience and history of most women. Feminists often take the view that women who make other choices away from their own ideals of feminism are making the wrong choices. The choice between home and career is the one that comes up the most and she says her mother's generation chose home whereas her daughter's generation choose career. As a mother herself she says that the most wonderful thing a woman can do is hold her own baby in her arms.
On the practical side she says that Feminism makes victims of women always suggesting that men are constantly beating them down. When special measures are in place to promote women in the workplace quite often this sets women up to fail as the pressure on men to do this often leads to the promotion of people who are simply not good enough. The UK has had one woman Prime Minister who was not a feminist as she made her way through the system not once complaining that men hold her back and when Margaret Thatcher saw an opportunity to go into leadership she took it. The labour party had 81 female MP's and when the opportunity came to lead the party only one woman, Diane Abbott, stepped forward. Edwina conclude by saying that to all the women that you need the education, skills, single-mindedness and most of all courage to achieve what you want.
Filmed on Thursday 14th February 2013
MOTION: THIS HOUSE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE ALL FEMINISTS
ABOUT EDWINA CURRIE:
Former Conservative MP & Junior Minister; broadcaster & novelist.
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[@I_Am_SciCurious]

I'm a woman, and I couldn't agree with her more. I work in what is typically a male-dominated field. From the beginning, I approached my work as a competent person and the men around me treated me accordingly. If I had listened to feminists, I would have been convinced before I even tried that I was doomed to fail because patriarchy. No, my job hasn't been without a couple of incidents of sexism (by clients, not coworkers), but *everyone* faces incidents with stupid people who have stupid beliefs in their working life. But feminism turns those handful of incidents into a huge conspiracy and pretends it's because you're a woman. It's not. It's because many people are stupid, and you're not going to cure general stupidity, not with any amount of complaining of turning yourself into a victim.

[@valken666]

+la cri Employers don't hire people who only cry and sue. If you can do the job better than a male, you bet you'll be hired instead of him. Even in muslim countries this happens, I've seen some TED talks of women who do good work and are hired even there. The biggest obstacle to the success of women is the need for change in their own mentality. You think of complaining instead of thinking of doing good work. All women I've seen who work well, none of them are complaining. Only the deadbeats are complaining.

[@witek7755]

+la cri Your statement is contradictory. If everybody would share the view of Edwina Currie the employer who would prefer men than good employees couldn't happen. In real life, they happen but also happen employers who prefer good employees than men.

[@JRMCNEA]

Feminism amplifies those incidents when it comes to women, and Disregard them when it comes to men. That way they can make the world look like a male free for all, and a female uphill battle. Demanding that men first help women with their battle. And get to their own later. Leading to massive male suicide numbers, and a large swath of men throwing their hands up and walking away.

[@Jenkkimie]

Truly admirable. We are the character we project outwards, confidence shows in women just like it does for men, and feeling capable and competent is what shows strength, indeed I admire women who are strong and independent but it truly means this; not the kind of person who says one thing and then does the complete opposite. Everyone has to work hard to achieve something. I was diagnosed with a rare uncurable disease known as Chron's Syndrome, and it nearly killed me 6 times during my high-school years. Yet, in all this time I had a dream and I worked as hard as I ever could, even surpassing what I though I was capable of doing; and I managed to achieve my dream, dream of becoming a psychologist which I am currently studying to become. And people with poor manners, haters; will always exist. Whether they hate you because they dislike something about you, or whether they are jealous. But why would they matter, they don't play a part in your life so why care? Someones opinion does not have to define your reality.

[@ThermicLight]

Completely agree. Although I'd argue that men more or less cop the same extent of sexism only it's taken far less seriously. As such those same stupid people won't really use that angle of derision if they know it won't really do much damage. For where there are tangible issues that effect either men or women they sure enough need to be addressed. But doing it via victim identity politics only takes us backwards. What's more is that men get into this idea that the feminist ideology is by extension the consensus of all women. So hard do they cling to it that even reality struggles to show them otherwise.

[@Rantandreason]

It's telling that the people who have the most faith in women's ability to actually achieve things, are the people most critical of feminism.

[@thefinn12345]

+Rantandreason Wonderful insight/comment there, I doff my cap.

[@RapidBlindfolds]

huh? i feel like she's saying the opposite, which is that the masculine, aspirational drive actually ain't all that, or at least isn't the most important thing for women to imitate

[@manuelantuna2749]

@kitto Max I don't think muscle mass has much to do with "aspirational drive" unless you want to compete in power lifting... I think we are talking about other characteristics. Maybe the aptitudes that we associate with "masculine behavior" are predominantly male.. but not necessarily exclusive.

[@RapidBlindfolds]

Are you a poet? Your command of the English language is astonishing. ‘At list’ 🤣

[@RapidBlindfolds]

Nah I’m good living in a free country which allows me to make films which win at 7 film festivals worldwide and making paintings that fetch up £13,000 at the ripe young age of 21 😊 I don’t come from a fucked up country like you that treats women like shit because they’re afraid that women might actually beat them at their own game. Bye sweetie 😘

[@nerea4327]

Me: I've started learning programming Male friends: awesome! what languages are you learning? etc. Female friends: how many women are there in your class?

[@Surfing566]

Literally!!!

[@asura8495]

answer: as many as wanted to and made the cut!

[@g.beatrizacuna2882]

Ese es un problema cultural...

[@bobbywinland1602]

@Roxy They can. The question they asked was just irrelevant.

[@JesusFriedChrist]

Java?

[@vexinglex4996]

What I get from this lady: Do not stand for feminism. Instead, stand for women.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

Lexter Victorio - Well said. Even better said is to “stand for the individual”. We do not choose our sex or race. In almost all of our actions, we act as individuals, not as members of a collective.

[@anonb4632]

Did she though? Her two main political achievements consist of destroying the British poultry industry - hence her nickname "Eggwina" - and shagging the British prime minister while both of them were married.

[@myknittingblog]

stupid.

[@thejaneeyre]

Stupid point.

[@houseofcharm4751]

@@anonb4632 hahaha I thought the name was familiar. I have her novel

[@SeppukuAddict]

Take note, feminists. Want to be taken seriously? Emulate the good Dame here. Speak like a woman, don't bawl like a child.

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

+Carlos David She was a conservative MP and Liverpool is not very conservative. Bit like a Scouse Manchester United Supporter. Could be a saint, no one in Liverpool would like them.

[@Rapha5019]

+Giantdad Lives Hell yeah

[@JRMCNEA]

At least she had the balls to be the hated. rather than the biggest joke of Liverpool.

[@ShardofManus]

Seems the Legend never does die. But indeed, retain a modicum of self-respect and appropriate oneself... otherwise don't expect to be taken seriously. Far too many feminists screaming and wailing about all the injustices, but fail to sensibly and reasonably make their arguments... that and the terrifying lack of evidence 95% of them offer.

[@nayanmipun6784]

Actually I do not I want feminist to succeed so feminist should not emulate this woman

[@1parko]

This is the strong, independent, free thinking type of women I respect the most. I bash feminism whenever I hear it, not because I am a misogynist, a crutch argument used by most feminist, but because when I look at the women I know I see true strength and intelligence that compels my respect not demands it. Truly inspiring speech.

[@1parko]

***** First of all the context of this woman’s and mines pertains solely to western culture. While real victims of misogyny suffer, feminist here go around demanding that man close their legs on the subway, that they illegalize free speech, censorship art they don’t like, that women should get paid more for less work, that it be considered criminal for a man to even initiate a conversation with a woman, that men are automatically guilty of rape with just an accusation, the ridiculous list goes on. In the west women get preferential treatment, yet still complain that men have somehow oppressed them. They enjoy all these freedoms yet consider themselves to be as oppressed as women in the Middle East. It is unfortunate that the men around you look at you unequally, I read Malala’s book and A thousand Splendid Suns, and though the second is fiction I believe it to have significant insight into how women are treated in certain areas of the Middle East. I also read a lot of articles about this issue as well. It is this specific reason why I find feminism in the west so appalling. The people I respect and admire the most are women, strong, intelligent, insightful women that are able to disseminate what western feminism is really about. I have never thought of smart women as monkeys who can sign-language but more of a novelty in that I do not run into many women my age that have interest that go beyond fashion, the Bravo channel, and what actors are doing, and other things along the same line. The emulation of a man talks to the fact that women are attempting to take-up roles that use to be predominantly male. Having a baby is a choice that can impede a woman’s career, especially if she is like women in the west that refuse to date men that are less successful in their own career and therefor more likely to be primary care givers. Wiling to do this would be true emulation of the male role, not the reducto absurdum form you used.

[@celinamilian]

I am trying to figure the purpose of your life

[@trillion1022]

I feel that!

[@regmunday8354]

Mannie Fresh, I don't think women give a toss whether they "compel" your respect (what you really mean is 'approval') or not. So, get over yourself and look at the bigger historical picture; IF you can forget for a few minutes that you are part of the human race rather than simply a bag of testosterone with male gonads.

[@Astroghouls]

@@regmunday8354 Nobody said anything in relation to what you just stated, you fucking idiot. You're assuming what he means and refusing to acknowledge what he literally stated. Go and fuck yourself, this is why SJWs are never taken seriously.

[@necroxisz]

I've never heard of this wonderful woman before (I'm an American), but I was absolutely enthralled listening to her speak the entire time.

[@sidewwinder]

go come back home, to UK!

[@wonjubhoy]

she is well known for having a big mouth and having an affair with John Major.

[@Jez2008UK]

Ask her about salmonella in the UK - that went down well back in the late 80's

[@Fools_are_fine_honey]

I feel the same

[@anonb4632]

As others have said, she is mainly known for destroying the British egg industry and shagging the most boring looking prime minister of recent times in an adulterous affair.

[@Mishkola]

I'm so glad that she brought up the problem with expecting women and men to make the same choices. True equality between men and women isn't that they occupy the same spaces, but that masculinity and femininity be equally valued.

[@shanaeb4814]

Truth!

[@sinistar99]

There is no such thing as "women choices" and "men choices" there are individuals who make individual choices. Everything else is just bullshit.

[@chronometer9931]

@@sinistar99 That's extremely blind and ignorant, the reality is that we often want different things. You can live in your delusion if you want, but it's obvious you're wrong. Just because some people want something different doesn't invalidate everyone else.

[@sinistar99]

@@chronometer9931 THAT'S extremely blind and ignorant. The reality is women often want different things FROM EACH OTHER. They're not a singular hive-mind. You can live in your delusion if you want,but it's obvious you're wrong. Just because somepeole want desperately to make assumptions doesn't mean they're not full of shit.

[@fartloudYT]

mens choices and womens choices sound a bit like 'if you are black and you support this then you are disgrace to black people' or something simillar. instead of equality it is dividing people under arbitrary groups and expecting groupthink rather than everyone thinking for themselves. feminism, just like any socialist garbage is not about equality, it is just trying to pander to women so that they get a certain mindset. easy to control that way. islam is doing fine that way too, women themselves celebrate oppression that they get.

[@bamccaig]

This is the kind of woman that our society needs more of.

[@kevinmc70]

bamccaig Hear hear!

[@remotefaith]

The woman who served in Thatchers seedy cabinet and appointed Jimmy Saville to the board of Broadmoor Hospital? Yes she’s a model citizen

[@Jez2008UK]

They're a dying breed mate - the new batch are brainwashed feminists!

[@huntergman8338]

As well as women who share the same traits as Raphtallia from "Rising of the shield hero." This whole mess is making a very scary though pop up, "can women love?"

[@penelopehunt2371]

We do. We are in the majority. No sane woman supports this crap

[@skeembot]

'I love men' I love your honesty. Finally, someone who talks straight!

[@joestewart-paul7181]

I know right

[@kurayamisidekick]

Funny how men are crucified if they say they don't love women, and how women are crucified if they say they do love women. I guess women are entitled to love and men are not. Gender love gap anyone?

[@TheJohnCube]

She has the same intonation and voice of Margaret thatcher, and surprisingly, has the same rhetoric! I LOVE THIS WOMAN!

[@anonb4632]

Not even close. She sounds totally different to Thatcher.

[@GopikaMenonG2o0p0i0k1a1a2b3c4d]

Yes! Especially in the beginning of her speech..

[@YoMoonskii]

Nothing turns me on more than a well spoken woman.

[@thedarkness111]

If you're under 60 that's kinda disturbing... 😂😂

[@ctxz9580]

@@thedarkness111 Nah, if you're 20+, you're good to go

[@A2Z1Two3]

That particular one like excitement, she had an affair with the most boring Prime Minister the UK ever had. No one suspected, in fact it was hard to believe . I think John Majors ratings went up .

[@kurtisbrooks1699]

That's why I married the most brilliant woman I ever met. She's also breathtakingly beautiful

[@ccb3313]

What about a well spoken woman that doesn’t wear knickers pwhoaaarrr

[@Mentallogic15]

My kind of woman! Strong, intelligent, logical, realistic, fair and knows there is a complementary difference between man and woman - a wonderful one too!

[@jonathanzargosky5100]

Not all women are the same not all men are the same. These debates paint each gender as being homogenous instead of looking at diversity and individuals. There are women who want to be mothers and women who dont. Let people choose what they want.

[@myla6135]

That's the message she was giving.

[@etc6615]

Jonathan Zargosky that’s exactly what she said

[@flycrack7686]

@Jonathan Zargosky go watch again and try this time to understand what she is saying. you are making a fool of you right now

[@brackcarmony6385]

But but... What if they choose wrong! Think of the chaos, all those people doing things I disagree with. It's utter madness.

[@shonagraham2752]

Not the message she was giving, the message she gave was middleclass and upper class women don't need feminism because they have decent primary and secondary education as well as the money to go to the best universities. They have opportunities beyond deciding to work in a factory gutting fish 12 hrs a day or having 8 kids because the benefit system only provides enough money to live on if you become a brood mare. Yes there is the alternative of bombing toddlers in Iraq as a means of escape, its what poor men have always had to do.

[@ThomasSDavis-mc9of]

This woman is intriguing. Her message is inspiring, yet simple. It is nothing more than "Go forth! Western society has provided the freedom! Show them what you can do. And let the results speak for themselves."

[@vincenthu2588]

Edwina Currie, what a fierce and courageous woman, respect

[@Valelacerte]

My mother was scorned in the sixties by feminists for choosing to be a mother and housewife. They felt that she was betraying her sisters and accepting domestic slavery under the misogynistic rule of her master. I haven't liked Edwina Currie in the past, but I think she's talking sense in this video. Feminism is largely responsible for selling a career as empowerment and emancipation and hence luring women away from raising kids at home. The government clearly saw a wonderful opportunity to not only gain taxes from all these new female employees, but also the revenue from industries, such as daycare, that sprung up in support. The government has encouraged the idea that it is perfectly normal and healthy for a woman to raise a child alone with the government benefit system as the new daddy.

[@MsMouse62]

@inside outside upside downside .... Exactly! Don't forget to mention Gloria Steinem ... Was she merely a useful tool?

[@myla6135]

Absolutely. Feminism has done nothing but denigrate traditional female roles. It has told women they are nothing unless they are taking on a job that was traditionally male. It's made both men and women very unhappy.

[@LL-wj6yw]

Valelacerte you are delusional.. why would the government give a fuck about wether women work or not? I bet when you walk with your socks on on a wet floor it’s because of the government too

[@alialahmad4329]

Valelacerte the problem those day were not the number of women working if a woman chose to only be a mother while am against it it is her right but the big problem that women could not work on many fields of work and the wage gap was real

[@Shrek-pu8uu]

@@alialahmad4329 Why are you against it? Nobody asked for your opinion? What happened to "her body, her choice". Aren't you Feminists all about choice empowerment? Well, then she has every right to just be a mother. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[@Belindagirl13]

In order to truly believe in gender equality is to believe that we women are the same as men. This is why I personally don't believe in gender equality. Men and women are in fact different. We shouldn't be trying so damn hard to be more like men, And that men should be more like women. Can't we just love have equal RESPECT for each other? I'm perfectly happy with that.

[@davidmcnulty3618]

Belladonna X. Exactly. Just look at the difference in the way that men and women drive on the road. Total psychological opposites. It’s just a way of life. Men are risk takers, and even though they have more accidents as they mainly drive like this, that’s just the way the way they are wired. Women, statistically are more cautious, and have less accidents in all age brackets. The type I identify with? Men. I’m a man with testosterone galore, and want to celebrate it. I’m also Gay, so Pity the repressed straight testosterone driven males , held back by their heterosexuality .

[@GirdsHerStrength]

Equality is not sameness. I can be equal AND unique.

[@parrotshootist3004]

@@GirdsHerStrength So does one equal two? Equality is not sameness, after all.

[@kriss581]

@@davidmcnulty3618 that's socialization nothing to see with xx or xy

[@diabl2master]

And indeed Currie expresses this sentiment at the start by referring to equality *under the law*

[@pofty2]

I work in a job where i am constantly surrounded by older and younger men. They treat me with nothing but respect. I find it so funny when women act so concerned for me thinking that i must deal with shitty men all day at work. The news and internet has made us women scared of men and made us assume all men are misogynist sexual predators. And yes there is plenty of men who are like that but it is not as common as what so many people make them out to be!!

[@nagatv8399]

😘

[@willnill7946]

Nick Smith cause the dude is trying to get action. Men are weasels that just want to screw each other over for you know what

[@Cuticatie]

​@Nick Smith Female superiors are bad examples especially when they are not neutral and bringing identity politics into the office. (see the Google's MP who is feminist and Gilette's Marketing Director> www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6596225/Meet-woke-women-Gillettes-controversial-toxic-masculinity-ad.html). The interesting case is that they are not even charged of being sexist, but rather celebrated... Imagine the uproar if the case is inversed.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

@@willnill7946 You sound like a 14 yo girl

[@jay-xj1om]

@@willnill7946 I've had well over a dozen girls attempt to pursue me very aggressively. Turned all of them away. If all you see are weasels it's because you have absolutely nothing to offer, which attracts men that see you as nothing but a toy. If you want a real man make something out of yourself instead of expecting things to be handed to you.

[@anthonyzarat8188]

I can't express how much hope this person has given me. Feminism is hate, but hate no longer stands unopposed. Hate is more and more exposed as hate, and more and more rejected by reasonable compassionate people. Bravo, bravo, bravo!

[@360snipepro]

This is the kind of Woman that I needs to lead political parties, THIS is the kind of Woman that I would be proud of running my country. NOT "Woman" like Jess Phillips.

[@TacticalBluez]

+Aaron Pennell Or Hillary or Donald, but I think your British? So I'm just in the US.

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

+Tactical Bluez - I didn't know Donald is a woman. I've been such a misogynist ... :P

[@fireburn95rs]

+Aaron Pennell ergh Jess whatshername is my MP. Such a shame that labour have to be brought down by disgusting man-hating vermin as her

[@SilentSputnik]

+Aaron Pennell or Clinton

[@360snipepro]

Tactical Bluez I'm pretty sure thats what he was saying :P I hope. Hahaha

[@limpfanka]

This Woman just opened my eyes. Thank you Edwina Currie! You gave me so much courage now

[@uke7084]

The feminist flipping through papers is so rude.

[@johnjumper7066]

Funny I noticed that too. Youre an amazing lady.

[@megalopolis2015]

This speaker was a delight. I consider myself more of a first wave feminist. These ladies simply wanted equal rights, without resorting to insulting or diminishing men, and without discouraging motherhood, which is one of the most unique and powerful attributes women have. Congratulations to the speaker for recognizing this, and celebrating it, along with our ability to achieve much without a special leg up or handout. The truth is we all need one another to succeed. It's time for women and men to reclaim their partnership, and be teammates once again.

[@SEBKAL]

Dame Edwina Currie has gone WAY up in my estimation..what an amazing speech 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@Marnild]

"The question isnt 'who is going to let me' its 'who is going to stop me'." Ayn Rand

[@blavand7105]

@@mirrorflame1988 But it's a fitting quote. Despite who she was as a person, she were extremely intelligent and contributed with a great deal, imo. Most of our most intelligent people through history, have been quit 'different'. But that shouldn't discount their contributions, nor their words of wisdom.

[@Mishkola]

@@mirrorflame1988 I've got a pretty insightful Hitler quote that I use. The morality of a person has no bearing on the insightfulness of their words.

[@simonestreeter1518]

@@Mishkola So...are you going to leave us hanging? Do tell.

[@Mishkola]

@@simonestreeter1518 more or less, the quote is "I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.". Actually, the more I look into the minds and strategies of the 20th century's evil men, the more I see that our governments learned a lot from them.

[@JustMe-uc1lt]

Any Rand didn’t support the provision of welfare by the state. Yet she relied on it in her later years.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

An actual grown adult woman who doesn't try to blame every personal failure or shortcoming on men. You don't see many like her these days.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

@@user-ri4jx2lp7x White knight has entered the chat.

[@homer5263]

@@user-ri4jx2lp7x Yeah they are so silent, especially when speaking out against the ruling gynocracy that they might as well not exist.

[@unclegardener]

@@palaceofwisdom9448 What’s a white knight? I’ve heard this term a lot recently and I’m guessing that it’s a Satan worker.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

@@unclegardener A white knight is a guy with a hero complex who turns everything into an opportunity to rescue a woman, similar to when guilty white liberals infantilize black people and presume to speak for them.

[@unclegardener]

@@palaceofwisdom9448 Ok thx a lot! Still a Satan worker in terms of feminism though. 😂

[@paxvid]

Makes me so happy to listen to these stories. Reminded me of my grandmothers. Very strong women, loved me and my family the way this gentle, beautiful woman does.

[@hunnybunnyLP]

Watching this in 2019 and feel honored to hear this Lady of true class and dignity speak. I agree with her about not being a feminist.

[@Floriellegaming]

What a terrific speaker, personality and overall character. You Edwina Currie are an absolute national treasure in your own right. I was incredibly delighted not only in how thought out and incredibly intellectually honest your points were but also by your genuine humor and personality that shined through throughout.

[@vonfaahquard8532]

This would have been very different had the mighty Trigglypuff been in the audience

[@vonfaahquard8532]

***** In that arena I imagine so. The rabid screaming social justice crowd is active in Britain though

[@vonfaahquard8532]

***** agreed - there is a rabid hysteria at work in our society at the moment. On both sides, but its swollen more on the left lately. The pendulum analogy is apt. The funny thing is, the extreme PC leftists dont seem to realize that they are so outlandish to moderate leftists that they push them away. They are poisoning the chalice of liberalism for many, me included. Worse still they push moderate rightists directly into the arms of people like Donald Trump. 10 years ago that guy would have had no chance of becoming even the top republican but now hes got a good chance of becoming the next US president. The nazis could not have come to power without the communists. I think back home the extreme leftists are also adding weight to the Brexit argument as extreme left seems to be more connected to the EU. Lastly of course, these extremist divide the populace. Setting ordinary, normal, poor people against each other. This is gravy for the matrix you mentioned. This is why the system supports extreme feminist and SJW view points. A confused and divided populace is easier to control and distract. My way of unplugging from the matrix as much as possible has been to move towards more libertarian outlooks. I honestly think we need 'aggressive moderates' to force reasonable change towards a society that is not ever widening the gap between rich and poor. Even though that seems like a contradiction in terms.

[@MrCrazyvan25]

Von Faahquard Fuuuuuckkk yooouuuu!

[@vonfaahquard8532]

MrCrazyvan25 troll harder, crankshaft

[@MrCrazyvan25]

Von Faahquard stop triggering me! I'm sensitive!

[@anglojamaicanmgtow3338]

2:54-3:01"I'm in a different category. I'm not a feminist. I have never been a feminist. I'll never likely to be a feminist"Was music to my ears. I love you Edwina.

[@GrandMasterAbe]

Ladies and gentlemen, watch and learn from this great woman!

[@6oodfella]

14:47 Wow, she just gave Harriet Harman a major bitchslap. Brilliant!

[@thefurrybastard1964]

This single speech made me respect Edwina Curry.

[@thefurrybastard1964]

Randy Mcfelch Goodfella knows who the opposing speaker was. He was making a comment on British politics.

[@thefurrybastard1964]

What she said about women having to make a choice between home and a career. Men do not get that choice, it's either a career or nothing.

[@abo707]

I wonder if we ever hear her speak out as strongly against gynocentrism? Hehehe

[@thefurrybastard1964]

Vapin Geek My guess would be yes. In speaking out against Feminism she already *has* spoken out against Gynocentrism.

[@creamybass]

9:55 "The experience of most women does not conform to that feminist picture, and the feminists seem to feel that the women who make other choices, are making wrong choices." This cannot be exaggerated enough. A lot of women simply do not want to do what feminists want them to do in the name of equality, i.e. pursuing certain careers.

[@kriss581]

Feminist don't force women to do certain things. On contrary, they say that women should feel free to do whatever they want...

[@otherpill7008]

@@kriss581 stop living under a rock

[@kriss581]

@@otherpill7008 stop rejecting anything who doesn't go in your way

[@brackcarmony6385]

@@kriss581 Then they should stop demonizing all the career fields that don't have 50/50 gender parity. Also they should stop pushing the wage gap narrative, (at lest the 80 cents per dollar one) as that doesn't factor in job positions and experience (they are free to push the 98 cents per dollar one, and suggest women be more assertive in the hiring negotiations)

[@kriss581]

@@brackcarmony6385 wtf the job I'm doing has 80% women why would I demonizing it? The thing is, you believe a lot in individual responsibility, being "assertive" . I believe they're other factors of socialization and systemic influence. Our views are too far away I think for us to be able to change our minds on KZbin comments. It's not a problem, diversity of views creates society

[@darkmatter7274]

That was a marvellous speech. One of the very best I've heard. Pointing out what is obvious to any sensible person. Yet which few people seem to say out loud.

[@aamuh3508]

I love women, and I am welling to die for them to protect them, my mother, sisters, wife and daughter. And sometimes when I listen to feminists I really get disappointed and my faith is lost, but when I come across such speeches my faith gets restored. Thanks you for such great post.

[@aamuh3508]

All male beings hold a disposable position in nature, look at the animals for example.

[@chelseapoet3664]

But are they willing to die for you? Don't be a chump

[@aamuh3508]

Mothers do...

[@Bornagainvillain]

I am not willing to give my life for ANY woman. This is equality. They can fend for themselves, by themselves.

[@aamuh3508]

It truly is a tough decision to make. It all depends how much sacrifice they have done. Sometimes some women go above and beyond to protect their child, there as father we will have to protect both. Seeing my mother going through hardship of life to raise me, of course I will do all it takes to protect her. The society that are brought up has destroyed the importance of family and the bond, we need to fix that. All women need to understand is that if someone is welling to die for you, obedience is the least they can offer. :)..

[@danegel]

She is so right, feminists cry about the need for action but when the cards are in their hands, they fold quicker than a speed origamist. Always wanting something for nothing but unlike everyone else, they vehemently deny it.

[@shadowdancer3531]

What an amazing speech. I worked in male dominated fields, literally 95% male for almost 8 years. I served in the Marine Corps, I worked in horizontal/directional drilling as a heavy equipment operator, I worked in concrete where I guarantee that I was the 1% of the 1% because in 2006 when I worked for that concrete company women were only 1% of construction in general! Yes I experienced sexism, I experienced disbelief that a woman could do this work and quite frankly the men were not wrong in questioning whether or not physically I could do the work... I barely could and only lasted 6 months in concrete. My point is this, men didn't hold me back because I did all of this by my free will and actually men propelled me forward. We have to remember something, men and women are different, my first day at my first construction company my foreman threatened to quit because I was a woman. My supervisor made the two of us work alone when we needed almost a four man crew for the job and by the end of the day he looked at me and said "you are a damn good worker" I said thank you, you gonna stop treating me like crap? After that he became my biggest advocate, almost got fired three times but that is the deal; we are not the same. In men's eyes you need to prove you can physically do the work, I was in a man's job and I did and they respected me for doing the job and not asking for help because I am a woman or trying to use my status as a woman to get a hand out. Today modern feminists kill me, never have them been in my situation, they claim male patriarchy but yet I succeeded in much harsher environments with far more negativity towards me because I am a woman. In retrospect I can look back and understand them, we are not the same, we are physically, psychologically and biologically different.

[@menosay1912]

Now THIS is a woman who commands respect through actions and strength. Feminists, take note. You want to be on a higher pedestal, aspire to this.

[@anonb4632]

What actions? Adulterous affairs with the prime minister? Helping out Jimmy Savile, the most notorious paedophile in British history? Destroying the British poultry industry with some stupid and inaccurate statements?

[@monkeydog8681]

If every feminist was like her then I would happily succumb to the ideals of feminism. She's empowering, inspiring, and her rationale of society is amazing.

[@EdindroWhitehall]

Is that somebody hissing at 15:37? I'm not sure the best way to disagree with your opposition is to mimic a snake or a vampire.

[@anbu2]

+Edindro Whitehall - Probably Laurie Penny making that sound. She said Edwina's speech made her "feel physically sick" proving Edwina right; feminists lack courage.

[@EdindroWhitehall]

anbu2 I ended up seeing that after I posted this...of course it was Laurie Penny. Bat shit fucking crazy.

[@cubone44]

+Edindro Whitehall I think that the her words where probably causing great distress and caused one of the feminist to pop. Should have stayed in a "safe space".

[@Cagon415]

Who hisses lol? Isn't that from the 20's?

[@dongjitoni2975]

you are an idiot than

[@chronometer9931]

I was extremely impressed by Edwina Currie, she extremely quickly won my respect with her calls to reason. I've never seen a woman on the same skill level as she displayed here. Her ability and command is top notch as is her showmanship. I hope you all push her in the direction of politics, she should run for prime minister, I believe she would win by a landslide as I believe she can run circles around the politicians and we need her type of thinking and reasoning in our leadership. If she was running in my country i'd vote for her without hesitation.

[@3QUIN3]

Seeing this lady gives me hope. Shes still old school but I hope more girls would listen to her. I mean I am floored by the decorum, her charisma, and the literal power she emanates by being a literal definition of a strong woman.

[@boywhogames]

I think I speak for everyone when I say that the best part about this video, was watching how uncomfortable all the feminists got in the crowd. Especially at 12:50. Just look at them. Oh my...

[@TheSestren]

boywhogames They simply disagreed and didn't clap. I don't see any discomfort.

[@boywhogames]

TheSestren Oh come on, look at 12:50. That blonde girl near the front to the left. She is so uncomfortable.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

She actually made arguments instead of babbling like the others! Unsurprisingly, the only talk of this debate that doesn't have an overwhelming majority of dislikes.

[@trez735]

It's obvious she is not a feminist. She is respectful and uses proper English.

[@chris210909]

One two - hahahaha! Could not say it better myself 😂

[@stellarowan8717]

One two i am rather offended by your assumptions. i believe in equality. i am 14 and i think my vocabulary is satisfactory. i don’t victimise myself because i want to make change for future generations. it isn’t all men’s fault but the glass ceiling prevents us from excelling. not everyone has the means to get to where politicians are because of the capitalism in our society.

[@anonygent]

One of my favorite stories about feminists was related by a secretary at a women's rights organization, where they had been having problems with their phone system. Two women showed up at the secretary's office and said they were from the phone company and were there to fix the phones. The secretary sent word to her boss that the phone techs were there and she came down and said hello to the two phone techs, then turned to her secretary and said, "Where are the phone repair guys?"

[@360snipepro]

So much respect for this Woman.

[@anonb4632]

In what way? Shagging the prime minister? Destroying British poultry farming? What's her greatest contribution?

[@robertengstrand4314]

This woman made a lot of sense to me. It was a pleasure listening to her.

[@DonnieTHORMacLEOD]

What an intelligent courageous mind she has & it is all wrapped up in a refreshingly, mischievous demeanor.

[@David-ry9ly]

Feminist is a word for a woman who owns more than one cat.

[@devilsadvocate5817]

And that meine Freunde, is how it is done. Well played Mrs. Currie.

[@undrarstilla15]

Brilliant, witty and to the point. The best speech in the debate and a clear winner by rhetoric KO!

[@juliesteimle3867]

Great speech! More people need to hear it.

[@karsten7241]

The best two minutes begin at 14:00. Don't stop watching before you get there, what a great speech!

[@NukerOfFace]

based. i don't give a fuck. this woman is based.

[@thefurrybastard1964]

This woman is based on what?

[@rustledentity5511]

The Batman Based is a meme that came from a rapper named Lil B; he used the term based to describe someone that speaks their mind and doesn't care about what other think. So basically a based individual is someone who is really awesome because they speak their mind, even when speaking out isn't popular or goes against a common belief. It's a compliment to people who are well spoken and confident. I understand your confusion, I was deeply confused about what it meant at first too.

[@thefurrybastard1964]

RustledEntity Thank you for the reply. I was wondering if you'd misspelled biased or if I was misunderstanding your post. Thanks for clearing it up for me. And yes, you're right, Edwina Curry does speak her mind, even if she knows she'll get a rotten egg in the face for doing so.

[@AdamT-mv3ok]

RustledEntity Wtf is going on here? Being biased doesn't mean speaking your mind out, bias means being naive and ignorant on purpose out of prejudice rather than out of what's fair, stop falsely glorifying the meaning of the word to suit your comment, you can even check the meaning in a dictionary somewhere if you like cause whether you agree with Mrs. Currie or not she doesn't deserve to be called biased because of what that word means which in this context she totally is not

[@TheRealEnergyy]

Absolutely wonderful speech

[@KopperNeoman]

***** Go peddle that pick-up artist con elsewhere. For men's human rights, go for www.avoiceformen.com

[@macchiateaux]

***** even AVFM is considered a bit extremist, I recommend /r/mensrights on reddit

[@KopperNeoman]

Pie Flavor What lies in a compromise between bigotry and egalitarianism? Bigotry. "Extremist" is a neutral term. The facts (and political momentum) bear the truth on what it means.

[@QuantumOverlord]

***** Isn't this just the masculism version of radical feminism. Better off not being affiliated with an organisation that revolves around one gender.

[@sail1948]

***** Naughty Edwina! She's the female MP accused of child abuse. Her victim, Patrick Ash had his head pushed into her "Naughty" bits and was invited by Currie to "Suck on this". Ash stated that the stench "Down There" was sickening. Another in a long line of political paedophiles.

[@wombizclub]

Wow 2013 and still as relevant as ever. Fantastic Edwina, thank you for sharing.

[@DanielFerreira-ds7lm]

This video deserves millions of views. I can't understand why it gas such few views. This is an incredibly entertaining speech with awesome arguments and awesome narrative skills. I found it in 2021 and I couldn't agree more with what she says.

[@DutchDread]

I like this woman, she has style

[@cubone44]

I think it speaks volumes that this is the only video of the entire debate that was well received. Absolutely wonderful speech and I can't believe that you had to endure Laurie Penny's barrage of shallow insults.

[@ndiekwere6027]

I love being British and thoroughly enjoyed hearing her opinion.

[@sourcescience]

I think it was Sowell who said that movements like Feminism start as rebellion, turn into a business and end up as a racket.

[@patriciatoth7715]

Best comment worth reading. Thomas Sowell is a national treasure.

[@ImmaculateRecovery]

The very 'thought' that a man is stopping you from doing something IS the problem itself, same applies for racism (I'm black! ), this woman has said such truths

[@3boody59]

I completely disagree with you, in numerous third world countries that is the case, women are not getting there rights merely because there women, we shouldn't forget the women in other countries in the globe that are calling for equality.

[@simeoncarter3768]

+Raiden You do realize that she is in the UK and talking specifically about the western world don't you? Also, there are rights disparities for men and women and various other types of people throughout the world being perpetuated by both men and women and various types of people throughout the world. To paint it so simply as "women are oppressed by men" is just childish.

[@3boody59]

The Borg "You do realize that she is in the UK and talking specifically about the western world don't you?" I actually didn't realize this, I'm from Saudi Arabia. "To paint it so simply as "women are oppressed" is just childish." It's not childish it is the inconvenient truth come to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan... and witness the misogyny.

[@simeoncarter3768]

Raiden Y There is also misandry, homophobia especially against men, and religious bigotry in places like Saudi Arabia. As well as women oppressing other women, and men oppressing other men, and women oppressing men and boys. It is childish to paint the picture that women are oppressed by men as if that is all that's going on. Also, places like Saudi Arabia and the UK are two very different types of cultures and legal systems.

[@3boody59]

The Borg "women oppressing other women" I totally agree with you, even when some women took the initiative to drive in Saudi Arabia many of the opposition and the slut shaming for driving came from other women which is quite sad. "homophobia" I also agree with you when it comes to homophobia, there are some hadiths in islam that show that the penalty for practicing homosexuality is burning them to death or throwing them from a cliff and then stoning them. and many in those countries take those religious books extremely literal. "women oppressing men" we don't have this in Saudi Arabia we also don't have misandry and that is just a fact it's not that I'm being childish.

[@truthcode8936]

15:16 Haha! Roasted! Currie isn't one of my heroes by a long chalk, but I have a lot of respect for what she has said here and that poison dart blown at Jowell was pure magic. Plus, she did a great impression of that old dude from blazing saddles losing his shit when the new sherriff was approaching town. lol

[@ivain8704]

Bookmarking this for future download and saving. If I ever have a daughter, this needs to be part of her education.

[@chinesecovidanalswabs4752]

+Ivain All parents should show this to their daughters. In fact, they should show this at school(very unlikely).

[@ivain8704]

Indeed, unlikely to see this in schools, but a shame regardless.

[@jaseanthony70]

As a gay male I can say I’ve often thought similarly to her in picturing and mentalising “what women want”.... Not every woman wants to be so modern and career driven. The attachment factor in children’s early years is very important too and women need to be available to provide those maternal benefits for the child for both of their betterment and future...Feminism creates harsh, overbearing socio political expectations on the “modern female” but is fair in its intended message of equality (especially in history and in opposition to marginalisation) ... I love this lady speaker. She is an excellent orator. I think her overall message of building confidence, avoiding segregation and trying at opportunities is correct for both sexes but definitely women in this context

[@triplemoyagames4195]

I don't mean to be rude, but what does being gay have to do with your argument? I mean the only difference between you and me is that you like men, and I lean towards to women. Being gay doesn't make you any-less of a man as if you were straight

[@ErgonomicChair]

I really love listening to Mrs Currie speak, she's so punctual and eloquent. Just a delight to hear!

[@misterpurplesky]

When I was younger this is what I assumed feminism was - Women collectively deciding that there was no reason that they couldn't do anything men can. This makes more sense to me than some of the other descriptions of Feminism I have heard and some of the actions that have been carried out under the banner of Feminism. Thanks!

[@MargaritaKatrenko]

I love this speech!! It is exactly how I feel.

[@DrakeLimOfficial]

I love the way she takes the bell away in such an amusing way. And no one is stopping her for taking too long.

[@wanderingstill]

I agree to a certain degree. This is what we need to hear today. But let's not forget that she is standing there because of the efforts of so many before her - those so-called "feminists".

[@felixumeh4534]

The reason for equality now is primarily due to men not women.

[@EdyMar77]

What a lovely Lady , Intelligent, Elocuent , Strong , And Funny .

[@carmelpule8493]

Regarding the time limit one can stay in the rooms, I remember one student going to discuss th9is with the dean and the dean argued, " What you can do after 10:30 pm you can do it before 10:30 pm!", where the student replied, " True, but you can do it again if the time is extended!"

[@blizzzard900]

The charisma of this lady is amazing, you can feel it like you're there in the room with her

[@timshields5554]

What a fantastic woman! Her husband and children are lucky! Respect from a not so lucky American man

[@anonb4632]

"Her husband and children are lucky" - Obviously you don't know about how she had an adulterous affair with the prime minister... When both of them were married

[@carlvalderrama1252]

Wtf am I only seeing this 3 yrs later

[@danyg1400]

Carl Valderrama same

[@marialaurasequeira]

I agree with her and I still consider myself a feminist! I believe every single argument she's making could be made by a proper feminist = an advocate for the equality of rights between man and woman, with the ultimate goal being to guarantee FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Feminism shouldn't be about making women act more like men or follow careers "men typically do". Feminism is about giving females the freedom of choice between career and home (or even providing the possibility not to choose because both paths should be possible if that constitutes a woman's desire). It should be up to the woman to choose the path of her own life, just like it should be up to any human being in general :)

[@Foileedify]

I don't think a million voices of men could've said that any better. :)

[@MWcrazyhorse]

Well it is Oxford after all. Not a huge surprise some of the brightest minds would get it. But it still is very refreshing. Fantastic speech and charisma too.

[@NathanielPostma]

54 people didn't listen to a word this woman said. They disliked based on emotion rather than reason.

[@speakingforcrows5227]

Yes! Finally! This is such a relief to hear for me as a woman. Finally someone who speaks for the majority of women who are too polite and thoughtful to join the feminist shouting match. Thank you! I've lost friends due to their feminist beliefs and their consequential disrespect for my relationship and the man I'm with. When I say I want a family and kids, the answer is moreoften than not: "But you're more educated than that", "But you can do so much more", "How not emancipated of you", "That is because you believe you're not good enough to be more". Like raising kids or caring for family has no worth. We are not victims, we love men, I want to have kids and get married (and am happily in a commited relationship), please stop making me feel bad about it.

[@Empathy_17]

❤️❤️❤️hope you get all that you desire. Women need to stop playing this victim card

[@dailyfootynews3788]

Aahh - she's from Liverpool! That should not be a surprise! :) Her accent though is not typical... I know many might disagree, but I just love the Scouse accent! It's so expressive and honest- straight from the heart. I'm not British or anything but I've been following the red half of that City's football team for a large part of my life now; and one thing I've come to know about those people is that they are level-headed and not particularly pretentious(yes even the blue half ;)). They can also see right through bs and they speak their mind. This lady is no exception. Lovely lady btw and a seeming good sense of humor which is what you can expect from Liverpudlians!

[@gmwho170]

Brilliantly put. Even as a man I find her speech is stirring towards personal achievement and personal responsibility. A truth not only for feminists but everyone.

[@DanyTV79]

What a wise and educated lady! Ma'am, I salute you because of your wisdom.

[@MrNigelTBean]

Didn't agree with Edwina's every word in the past, but I love her attitude, and spirit, and courage.

[@TheyCalledMeT]

gotta love this woman. she's absolutely right

[@algebra5766]

This is so brilliant!!!!!!

[@remielpollard787]

Edwina Currie is one proper English orator ifI ever heard one. Bravo, madame.

[@timberwolfbrother]

I actually came across this, top of the recommended list, from the channel of an individual who identifies himself as "UNDOOMED". When I saw the name of the recommended video's poster as being "OxfordUnion" I was actually confused as to how a simple anti-Feminism KZbin entertainer would link to an Oxford video-- there's just this sense of disconnect between the two as figures. This was very intelligent and entertaining! I'm glad that I followed the link to this video.

[@itsajpascua]

Can she please move to the US, become a citizen, and run for the presidency in my country? She emanates integrity, eloquence, and intelligence. But on a more serious note: Her exuberance, passion, and fervor came off her like electric shocks. I could feel the jolts. Her call to take charge of our own lives resonates so strongly with me, not just because it is morally sound, but also because it is wholly sensible. We have limited time on this Earth. Why not spend it seizing opportunities rather than decrying the conditions surrounding them? Her excoriation of Labor MPs who "chickened out" in failing to seize a bid for the leadership hits the nail on the head. A mindset focused on the evils of others blinds one to the opportunities before them.

[@PBSmithy]

The strongest and most impressive women have always been Conservative women. When they achieve, they do so without requiring a group of "sisters", they do so without positive discrimination and all-female shortlists. That's why the Conservative party had a female leader in the 70s, whilst the Labour party still has not 35 + years later.

[@wonjubhoy]

and another one now.

This is so beautiful. What a breath of fresh air. 15:35 - That reaction is priceless.

[@thazgaz1000]

Edwina lives on the road down from me, there’s no change of her eloquence in person!

[@Leviwosc]

What a great and inspiring speech! So well spoken and a confident woman! I absolutely agree with Mrs. Currie!

[@algebra5766]

Just image that Ripley in Alien I was a woman that got the position as a captain of the Nostromo because of regulation, because of a quota. Just imagine that..... Would she have suvived this??? No Way!

[@Urielthalas]

+Al Gebra Good thing Ripley wasn't a feminist, but was instead a fucking goddess.

[@demoncard1180]

Imagine if the alien was feminist

[@neel9137]

@@demoncard1180 well they are scary and disgusting like a feminist. It won't be hard to imagine them as feminist.

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

Make Believe

[@Shejo284]

This speech ignores, among others, one glaring point: how did we end up here?

[@2lenne723]

I'm American and to watch a debate from another country is so amazing because they re respectful and courteous to the people who are speaking. I appreciate the civilized methods of these people and I wish American would take on some of these respectful and civil ways. I am amazed at how she summed up why she is not a feminist. She put into words the exact reason that I am not a feminist. We need more people like her to get it out of woman's heads that they can't do anything because men are preventing them from doing so.

[@asher3416]

Oh my goodness I was absolutely rapt as I listened to her. She is so brilliant and sooooo charismatic, she exudes confidence on a whole other level