We both almost died...now what??

After both Mark and I had near death experiences, we've been contemplating life a lot. What is next for us? Where are we putting our efforts? Help us out and tell us what you think.
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[@Pete-tq6in]

YES! Buy the Albatross! That would be the coolest project yet, by far!

[@orvjudd1383]

By a Grumman duck as well. It is also a great amphibious plane.

[@Spinner1987CH]

i always wanted to do the same! but for time beeing I only managed to build a RV-8 😂 And now a Family.. Thus it would be great to see you doing it!

[@PeterYannick]

... and make your brother to buy PBY Catalina

[@WiredForFlight]

This is one of my favorite airplanes

[@nathankeffer891]

I had this same idea and was sharing it with a friend a few months ago! I would LOVE to see this build!

[@SpeedyDad1]

Flying has become a rich man's game. That is THE BIGGEST obstacle for most to get in to aviation. New aircraft are unobtainium for the average guy and because of this, quality used aircraft prices are either very high or the aircraft needs a lot of work. Even in the Homebuilt market, kits prices are relatively high. Yes, a lot of people are building but not nearly as many as had been. Years ago, I started building an RV-6A. It was one of the most affordable kits out there. Now, the tail kit costs as much as most of the full kit I started with. I had to sell mine because my eyes started to go bad. I've gotten past that and they are great now but I started looking to get back in to it and even ultralight kits are more than what it used to cost to build a nice homebuilt kit. I'm now looking at PPG or powered parameters because it will get me back up in the air at a price I can afford. In my opinion, one of the best things you could do with your vast aviation and engineering knowledge would be to develop a reasonably priced entry level plane, You'd enable many more pilots to get flying and stay flying or get back in to flying. Many get started but the cost of aviation in general drives them back out. Old, affordable planes become unaffordable because of the cost of maintaining an old, used airplane. One more thing, you keep talking about getting new pilots into flying. Why not also focus on getting guys that used to fly back in to it. There is a vast wealth of experienced pilots out there that would probably love to get back in to it and pass on their knowledge if they had a reasonable way. Don't just look to the future but look to the past to create a new future. I used to be in the EAA until I sold my RV-6A. I left because I couldn't bear to look at all the kits that were being built knowing that I had to give up on mine. I was a member of AOPA. The reason I left was that even though they did a lot for aviation, I felt they were not focusing on the little guy. I'd look at their magazine full of new airplanes and fancy avionics and realized that can't be sustainable. Anyways, not sour grapes. I'm not jealous of those that can afford those but I'm sad for those that can't and therefore can't enjoy the freedom and joy of aviation.

[@SoaringMidlo]

Food for thought: Flying gliders is still affordable and has a community of passionate aviators to connect with. For weekly flying fun, I find no better way to get in the air.

[@knussear]

I feel the same about AOPA, and also the financial cliff that one must climb to get into aviation. I wanted to fly since I was a kid, but couldn't afford it until I was able to get in via light sport.

[@OnceShy_TwiceBitten]

these two are very very much "rich men" so I doubt they have much of an obstacle bro. lol

[@craigsanders6925]

I'm not rich, but I got my private a few years ago. It isn't cheap that's for sure, but it is obtainable.

[@thehark6247]

speedy dad, i highly recommend powered parachute, i fly one, and its low cost, low speed, and the relaxing joy is well worth the 10 or 12 grand to enter the sport. No licensing, no inspections, no insurances, and great satisfaction, especially for older pilots.

[@rickmbp]

I’m a retired Dual Rated Marine Corps pilot, with fixed wing ATP and 10,000 total hours, CFI/CFII. Worked the commercial helicopter business after the USMC for Bristow. Would LOVE to own my own plane, but that goes to my 3 comments: 1. Precious little is going right in GA. 2. What is going wrong? One word… lawyers…. As a 25 year active member of the Florida Wing CAP, I gradually became very disillusioned with the bureaucracy, over regulation, and paperwork requirements place on an “all volunteer organization”. Costs for anything aviation related are at least 10x what they should because of “liability”…. It’s positively ridiculous. Involvement in GA seems to be reserved for the wealthy, and by that I mean zero malice toward folks like you guys. You earned every single nickel that you have imho. 3. I’m a member of CAP (retired now), former member of AOPA, and Life Member of the Marine Corps Aviation Association.

[@cynthiaklenk6313]

My responses pretty much paralleled yours. Aircraft cost, avionics, fuel, maintenance, insurance, and parts. I was CAP many years ago, I soloed in 1967 - in a C-150 the summer after I finished high school, at Mettetal airport in Plymouth Mich. I realize that inflation is off the charts, but you could buy a C-172 for an affordable price. The FAR's have reached epic elephantine proportions, and likely as you say written by lawyers and no doubt bureaucrats who don't know an elevator from an aileron. It would seem that perhaps the intent is to make it so expensive and so burdensome that general aviation is driven from the sky. Darn I wish I had the answers. Flying is in my blood, most of my career has been aviation oriented (03, USAF, but not flying- (Intelligence)) dad (and his crew) flew a B-17 out of the UK across the channel in 1944, and there is a picture of a very little me sitting in an F-86 with dads helmet down on my shoulders! I love flying but its now "unobtanium" for me, and I have self grounded as my eyes are not in good shape. I know that Mike and Mark are doing everything that they can to inspire.

[@whiskybravoflight]

Everyman's affordable airplane is the Patey sized challenge in my mind. Hard to quantify because it's different for everyone. But I can think of some good qualifications: 1 - Hangars are expensive. Trailerable, and make the trailer part of the support system for the plane. A 'portable shop' designed to support the aircraft, even disassemble major components 2 - 6 seats with tradeoffs in baggage weight, etc. Physics only goes so far 3 - Modular engine systems that are easily maintained 4 - Possibly inline twin for safety? 5 - A dramatically less expensive engine option - biggest challenge 6 - Printable components - make use of "maker" technologies such as plasma tables and 3D printing for most components 7 - 1,000 nm range 8 - 150 knots or greater 9 - Turbocharged for safety even in the flatlands. Climbing over weather becomes a possibility 10 - Dirt simple systems I've been working on this for years. Lots of ideas.

[@matejlieskovsky9625]

Regarding the modular engines - I really want to see hybrid aviation. If you have a generator, batteries capable of keeping you in the air for *maybe* 30 minutes, and a pair of electromotors, you get a system that is almost impossible to suddenly lose an engine on. Electromotors can be pretty oversized for redundancy if one fails by some miracle. A genset that is scaled for some reasonable climb will give you range and backup for batteries while being lighter than an aviation-grade engine scaled for takeoff power. Batteries make sure that your genset is not a single point of failure, giving you the power boost for takeoff and the time needed to make the turn of death when needed.

[@hippygunster]

These 2 dudes are not human. How do I/we all get a fraction of the energy that feeds them and gives them this positivity.

[@weschaeffler88]

Do you do know that Mark is a lifestyle coach/motivational speaker?

[@forton615]

@@weschaeffler88 That doesn't surprise me.

[@EllipsisAircraft]

ESTP Personality type. Good parenting. Good schools. (E.g. Good Philosophy).

[@thepubliceye]

kratom

[@kylewoodfill9875]

Well their drive for hard work and success are huge motivators as they're built that way. And the multi multi millions they make off their success are motivators as they want more and aren't happy sitting stagnant.

[@drummerboy6788]

My big request would be to help out the private airports that have a public use certificate, we are loosing airports all around the country! Certification standards and airport equipment is INSANELY expensive, making the business model tough! Sharp business savy folks like you could be a godsend to hundreds of local airports around the country!

[@braer240]

Came here to say this exact thing. It’s insane how EVERY single airport within 100miles of me has NO hangar space. I have a citabria 7gcbc. Give me a grass strip and a cheap metal t hangar and I’d be happy. Even the private airports are full. Please!!! More hangar space.

[@drummerboy6788]

I manage a small airport in Ohio and is really tough to keep the hangar prices reasonable when there the only source of income for a general aviation airport. I have so many ideas for how to bring in customers but find constant roadblocks with the owner who isn’t a pilot . It’s a struggle

[@scottlambert2609]

I also had this idea! I hate to see the smaller airports going under. And get turned into houses. 2) help with sport pilot training it’s not easy finding instructors that want to do sport pilot training 3) back to my first one the county airports also need help keeping funding coming in for up keep. 4) medical reform for the faa, I have a medical for driving semis and have no problems with keeping it but can’t get a faa medical due to past medical issues and the faa wanting records that I can’t get anymore due to doctors not keeping them over 20 years

[@danblumel]

Member of EAA, COPA, ORAA. The slothfully slowness of the STC approval process. It's gotten slower since Covid in 2020 and now they've revised it to be slower yet. How can advances be made with such a hindering bloated system, even having a complete RTCA DO160 passed Series of testing. Should be a slam dunk at that point, especially having done a few 337 field approvals too.

[@gonzalomolina526]

The only sustainable way for the industry to flourish and the airports to make money is increase supply of hangar space

[@ChipDill]

So glad you're both ok! Absolutely yes to the Albatross!!

[@wrightwaytrailers182]

Guys, First of all thank you for all you do for GA! Been watching Mike for years and have had the pleasure of meeting both of you at Oshkosh and Sun And Fun. With your scary incidents we thank God you are both still with us! #1 Saving lives. Every year we loose way too many pilots, friends, and entire family’s in GA. The saddest thing is that so many of those accidents are totally preventable. I know this all hits very close to home with you both recently loosing Creighton King. I actually met him a couple times over the last several years and had spoken to him just last year at Oshkosh. What a great guy he appeared to me in just the little I knew about him. Tragic loss. I have been flying for nearly 25 years and believe Creighton is the first person I actually knew that had lost their life in an aviation accident. I don’t have the answers, and I do know there are great resources out there, such as the Air Safety Foundation and others, but we need to figure out something more. Something better, more effective, what ever how ever, to keep from having more accidents and deaths that could be prevented. Better training, better conditioning, more awareness, what ever it takes, we need to figure out a more effective way. You know Dan Gryder. Love him or hate him, he is very motivated and dedicated to this cause, and I do believe he has helped many pilots be safer, and more prepared for when something does happen, by using his You Tube channel and speaking events sharing AQP. As you both know at sometime, that something, will happen to you! #2 Saving lives, #3 Saving lives. Just my thought on priorities. Yes there are many other issues in GA that can use attention and I am sure you will get a lot of good ideas presented here. And yes there is a lot of great things going on for GA in very positive ways! I have been a member of AOPA, EAA, and RAF, for many years. I believe they all do great things for GA, although some struggle as they become so large. And Mike, for sure build the Albatross! And make sure Kermit Weeks is following. 😁 Thanks again guys! Hope to see you and say hi at Sun and Fun and Oshkosh. Best.

[@pfsmith007]

When James Bond fantasizes about who he wants to be, he pictures Mike Patey. Mark looks much faster, without a gallbladder. The aviation community is lucky to have these two. Everyone is fortunate that these two are still well. Much love.

[@albatross8361]

@pfsmith007: what Bond's Q was to gadgets, Mike Patey is to general aviation.

[@thtpilotguy]

Mark Patey for Congress! I almost joke, but honestly I see a lot of challenges that come from the FAA and a lack of ability for the administrators of the FAA to relate and build relationships with GA. I think there is a lack of communication and they rely on confrontational ways of meeting the goals of safety in aviation. I truly believe that if the FAA was a solid partner with general aviation, and not just an enforcement agency, safety would increase and it would be easier to lead people into GA.

[@elosogonzalez8739]

Outstanding idea! America needs can do men in Washington!

[@flightwriterNG]

Mark Patey for the next president and CEO of AOPA.

[@801pilot]

Ahh, you’re all awesome 🤣👍. Thanks for the kind words.

[@dustinalexander4620]

​​@@801pilotI have a valiant idea to maximize impact. I just wish I knew an email address to send my ideas to you guys. Military Veterans. Millions of hours of talent that have since fluttered. Gonna try and find a direct line to call you guys. I have big ideas.

[@ronjonson26]

Mike Patey for president

[@NianNordic]

You guys are really the essence of what I aspire to be! You guys are talking about leaving more behind, than 'just' showing us, you having fun. I can tell you, you guys 'just' having fun - has already moved thousands of people and everybody is praising your contribution to this wonderful world of aviation! Thank you. Thank you for everything you have done and thank you for what you are going to do in the future! If I could, I would love to contribute to your questions, but I still have my PPL waiting for me in my near future! Thank you for moving my attention into aviation, there is no doubt in my mind that it is also where I will spend a lot of my time, for the rest of my life. Much love to both you, Mike, and you wonderful brother Mark and your beautiful families! God speed and much respect from a young guy in Denmark!! BACK TO WORK!! 💪

[@KevinM-tm4db]

First off, I'm greatful you're both still alive! Your passion and joy for your work is contagious. If you really want a BIG project, I have an idea! With the shortage of mechanics, especially in general aviation, I would like to see an online, or at least partially online, A&P training program. Lectures can easily be delivered through virtual classrooms or pre recorded. Pre recording has the benefit of editing for accuracy. Some labs could be completed in a garage or home workshop by sending materials to students. The students would then record themselves completing the work. Teachers would then review the videos and when it's done correctly, the student sends the material back to the school. This would work well for some smaller items about the size of a magneto. The bigger parts and projects that require more specialized tools would still require students to travel to a training facility. Training facilities could be either a centeral campus, or a partner school that teaches the hands on portion of this program. Alternatively, build a curriculum and license it to schools. A completely different way to accomplish this would be to use an online model to facilitate obtaining an A&P license through experience. Perhaps the student buys an airplane to be restored and pays a membership fee to have licensed mechanics advise and supervise the work. I think the hardest part would be satisfying the FAA because they tend to be risk averse.

[@DonovanCYoung]

1. GA, as a whole, is still going strong. 2. The price of entry is very high, and it can be difficult to find good flight schools that aren't crazy expensive. 3. I've been a member of AOPA for nearly 10 years now.

[@rwedel738]

Y'all will never lose our attention! Mark, we are so blessed you are still with us and keep fighting the good fight. This world needs you both.

[@milesj6064]

This was an amazing story of Marks brush with death, it is so scary that it happened, but so glad that he survived and came back to this world, it proves he is not finished with his work on this planet yet. I am glad to hear you are both wanting to do more to help the aviation community. I am in Canada and I am a aircraft mechanic, and I have a few hours in towards my private pilots license. The good things I see in aviation are all the people who are out there willing to help, you see it through events like airshows, fly-ins, seminars. Also the new technology that is being made available for aviation. A lot of it is expensive and so takes time to access, but things are advancing. And the fact that people are seeing aviation as a interesting industry to get into, and not think of it as for some weird wingnuts. The bad things is definitely regulations. I know that things have to be done right, but I have seen that because of some people in the past cutting corners or doing things wrong and having a problem, it puts more burden on the rest of us as the regulators find ways to close loopholes. I still see accident reports where people are pushing the limits or not doing things properly and causing accidents. We need to do more to share experiences to hopefully prevent the next guy from having an accident. I personally tell stories to the apprentices of things I have heard or seen in the past to plant things in there heads to hopefully save them in the future. Mike and Mark you are both incredible role models for everyone in the aviation community, and by having this discussion you are helping aviation already just by starting the conversation. Keep up the good work, and Glad you are doing well Mark. Keep up the great videos and love watching all the stuff you show us from the house build to the airplanes and stories also.

[@earl81ful]

You guys are awesome. Love watching the channel and how you show everything you guys are doing with your builds. I fly for a corporate flight department, part 91 only but my family and I have been a part of aviation and especially GA for several generations. GA is still a great community, but like others have said the price to play is very high. Another aspect of GA, and aviation as a whole, that needs help is medical certificates. Medicals are a necessity, but they can also be very stressful and not helpful. This includes addictions, medication usage and phycological/depression issues. Many pilots have to hide these things in order to keep their medical and jobs instead of dealing with the issues. There has been some work done and options available but these still have a sense of being unsure, take a really long time, and again can be stressful!! Work in this area would be helpful for a lot of pilots. I've been part of AOPA for 20+ years, along with all of our pilots in our department and our department is active in several safety organizations for corporate and GA aviation. Keep up the good work you two!

[@ilovelamp61]

Your bond as twins is an incredibly special thing that most of the world will never understand. My dad is a twin (his name is Mark and my uncle's name is Mike!), and to this day they still experience uncanny things and know things about each other that neither of them should rightly know, even when they're separated from each other. I have no doubt, Mike, that your voice and presence when Mark was in the ICU is what brought him back (as I'm sure you know). The presence of family can help access the deepest memories and feelings your body holds and can give you an incredible amount of strength when you need it most. This hold more true for twins than with almost any bond I have ever observed. As an observer of your life, it is an incredible inspiration to see what you and Mark have done with your families and careers. Thank you for sharing a piece of your life with us, and thank you for your continued service to your fellow man!

[@awefultiger]

1. There's great momentum and community building going on general aviation right now. 2. General aviation still seems to be plagued with accidents and a high incident to death ratio. 3. No association affiliations. I'm a fan of general aviation. I've had my face pressed against the glass, looking in at all the fun, for many years. From an outsiders perspective, here are the key barriers that I, or anyone in my position, will need to overcome in order to become an insider: •Enormous financial startup costs and significant ongoing maintenance costs. •Sometimes the "general" in general aviation makes it difficult to decifer which camp is right for me. •Space. Aircraft kits are just to bulky to assemble. They are overly time consuming to build so a modest privateer like myself feels pushed toward entry level ultralights and less safe decision making. My proposal for the Patey Bros: • Design a GA aircraft that has zero kit components, rather, only accessible materials. One that is the safest in the skies. A plane that is a true quick build. Maybe it uses advanced adhesives instead of rivets. It needs to be jaw dropping cheap ($10-$15k) all in. It needs to operate like a conventional fixed wing aircraft as an ideal time/experience builder. It should be docile and intuitive with just enough delight in flight. It absolutely must be trailer friendly for at-home storage. Lastly, it needs to be a fine looking bird, with charm and simplicity that instills confidence and pride of ownership. The Volkswagen bug of the skies. In short, I think the greatest contribution you two could give to GA is accessibility. Love the channel, and so glad Mark is healthy. Best regards, Ben

[@rickwhite2567]

I agree completely. Flying should not have to be a life-or-death decision. Better technology could reduce the chances of the pilot making deadly errors.

[@thecheesedip]

100% nailed it. Flying is cost-prohibitive, and when something does go wrong in the air, the death ratio shows a HUGE gap in how we've handled the evolution of aircraft vs automobiles. I know some people dislike ballistic chutes, but if an engine blows and you aren't near a viable strip, or a rookie pilot gets into a spin they can't recover, a parachute WILL save your life. And not just your life, but in many cases will preserve your plane as well (minus repairs). It just seems like such an easy cost-saver / life-saver, I don't understand why they aren't more widespread. Cirrus gets it. Many ultralights get it. It's high time the rest of GA/LSA does too.

[@wb6anp]

@@thecheesedip I don't dislike Ballistic chutes but the repack costs are horrible, the Sirrus chute is 20k to inspect and repack.

[@awefultiger]

​@wb6anp sounds prohibitively costly. Crash structures are passive and can be extremely light and cost effective (f1 cars), there seems to be a pursuit of lightness and efficiency that's incompatible with crumple zones, roll cages, bolstered seating. If the aircraft can be designed for passive crash protection, it becomes sacrificial in a crash scenario. I'd be quite happy to walk away from a crash if my aircraft is a total loss...if it only costs $10-$15k.

[@RowanHawkins]

​​@@rickwhite2567I have about a million miles of highway driving under my belt. Technology does not help people keep their eyes on their surroundings. Too busy watching cameras or TV's or phones inside their vehicles. Just like flight eyes out unless imc. What needs to happen is People paying attention. Driving at resonable speeds. people paying attention. people having consideration for other people around them People paying attention. People maintaining their vehicles. People paying attention. In my opinion if you can't pay attention to what is going on around whatever vehicle you are in, you shouldn't be controlling a vehicle. It should be a privilege and not an entitlement.

[@MrNutt-xu7qe]

The albatross idea sounds awesome! Go for it! You guys are awesome, God bless you two!

[@christophergagnon6843]

God bless you both! Thank you for all of efforts in aviation. Looking forward to your plans!!

[@SmittySmithsonite]

WOW, I had no idea we almost lost Mark!! Thank God he pulled through that! Great project lineup, fellas - can’t wait to see them all.👍👍

[@MrOvertSandStorm]

Not being funny or anything, but why would you thank god? We should be thanking the doctors and nurses and other emergency services staff that saved him. Or Marks body for pulling through.

[@jefferyg3504]

​@@MrOvertSandStormdo you not recognize God in this story? How he pulled thru miraculously, or when the brothers talk about "what's important?"

[@MrOvertSandStorm]

@@jefferyg3504 No I don't. I'm pretty agnostic to atheist, so I never think about 'god'. Surely this happened through the skill and wonder of modern scientific medicine, and by the chemistry of Mark's body, which was able to recover during his time in intensive care. In this day and age, you honestly believe this was divine intervention? These are my thoughts anyway, not trying to insult anyone.

[@mikeratcliff1446]

God certainly had a hand in this. You have to know that God has been and will be in chef from the beginning to the end.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@jefferyg3504 With some, “You can lead a horse to water …” .

[@Keet619]

Mike and Mark Patey are my two best HEROES! God Bless you and yours!

[@Turbobrat_Motorsports]

First off, I can not imagine aviation without either one of you in it, at this point. You are definitely the Rutan of this century. It is really awesome for my son and I to watch these videos and vicariously through your achievements and builds. 1. There are a LOT of things going right in aviation. There are so many opportunities out there, for young kids to get started in aviation (as a career and/or as a hobby/passion). There are channels, programs, classes, and seminars that promote safety, awareness, competency, and currency. The glass cockpits of today's world are a far cry from when I earned my license back in 1993. Although, maybe a reason why a lot of pilots are not honing those airman skills enough, as the GPS, software, and aids are doing it all for them, and in turn making us rely on them too much. ( NOT that is a bad thing!!!) but there is something to be said for going out and just flying stick and rudder, VFR dead reckoning every once in a while. Just like Juan Browne does. I guarantee he is a MUCH better 777 pilot, because of his hobbies. These builds that you do.... these aircraft push the boundaries of what was once available in dreams. KEEP IT UP!!!!!! You have given my love for aviation and helped me tremendously to pass it along to my son, which is heartwarming!!!! We are also ADHD, and it is so nice to see others excel, that also have this condition! 2. There are a LOT of things that are also going wrong in aviation!!! We are losing TOO MANY people to senseless crashes. Love him or hate him, But Gryder's AQP for GA is a BIG start!! So, is overhauling the overly bureaucratic FAA. Look at the Palmer case. Look at the senseless crashes that could be avoided if there was a more safety driven approach to the FAA's rules, guidance, and interaction. Yes, they are THE ones with the power. But, if something needs to be fixed, the FAA is known for throwing the judge's gavel at you, instead of mandatory retraining, or a safety driven approach. Mark, I know you probably are not wanting to get into politics, but the FAA needs an OVERHAUL!!!!!! We need to get more people to adopt the 3 strikes rule. I want Gryder to not have anything to post about!! I want us to be as accident free as we have ever been!!! I would LOVE to see a A&P or a pilot school that has a more cost-effective way to get into for a young adult. As we all know, Aviation is a very expensive hobby, and one must swallow the pill and dues up front in order to even get the training to become what you have always wanted. Yes, I understand that's a utopian dream, but you said think BIG!!! 3. I was a member of the AOPA but have stopped several years ago. They have become over bloated with very high paid upper management, that does not have the best interests of GA in their dockets. I am a member of the EAA. I have not flown in several years, as life got in the way. I retire in 3 years and have started my own business the first of the year. Like you both, I have a TON of goals. One of which is to build my own kit aircraft after I sign the ink on my retirement paperwork, along with my son (military A&P here). I watch every single video you and Mark put out, as well as Juan Browne, PremereOne Driver, Jimmy's World, Gryder, Trent Palmer, Mentour Pilot, My Layover Life, Smarter everyday, Practical engineering, and a TON of others. My son and I WILL make it out to your open house with the cars/ aircraft, etc. in the next few years. I say, that you both ARE already helping out GA and aviation as a whole !!!!! You have no idea how may fires of excitement and seeds that you and your families plant every single day!!!! Your enthusiasm, zest for life, love of God, Family, and Country, and your support of fellow LEO's, and public safety as a whole does NOT go unnoticed!! In a world where you can identify as a pencil, and that is accepted, you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you.... seriously, thank you for ALL that you and your families have done, and will continue to do. I am SOOO thankful that you are both still here with us all! You do not know me from Adam, but you are both family, to us. We look forward to see what you both come up with next and continue to wait for the next Patey video!! Rock on, gentlemen!!! BACK TO WORK!!!!!!!!!💪💪

[@DavidBurke-wt3zy]

Two amazing individuals! Good bless you both.

[@kyleharbaugh]

My dad is a GA pilot, brother is a commercial pilot, and I am just starting flight training and building a kit experimental helicopter in parallel. My experience in GA is limited as I am just getting started. The cost of GA has been a huge deterrent for me. 1. What's going right? Without question, the community. Aviation brings people together and for the most part is filled with extremely generous individuals who are happy to share their passion and support others, whether it's taking someone up on their first flight, or helping someone with their home built. I am sure you both will get a lot of support in making GA better for everyone because we are all in this together. 2. What's going wrong? 2.1 The cost of GA has far out paced the wages in the last 20 years. My father was able to buy and fly plane as a middle class individual, but I don't think that is possible today. Light sport, and experimental kits seem to be the only real entry point, and even then, it's still pretty expensive. Reducing the regulations might make things cheaper, but at the cost of safety? I don't know what the solution is. Operating cost is huge when you consider annuals and purchasing certified parts. Not everyone should be working on their own planes, but for those who enjoy building and maintaining planes a much as we fly them, there should be a solution for those individuals. 2.2 Finding quality flight instructors. Many of them are using it for time building. Turnover is huge and the training is poor. 3. I haven't been part of an association for more than 5 years.

[@mikeboulant8911]

I’ve been a private pilot for about 3 1/2 years. 630 hours. Working on IR currently. What’s going right in GA? The freedoms to fly that we ave in America are incredible. GA opens up so many amazing opportunities. What’s going wrong? This list is longer. It’s gotten cost prohibitive. Hangars are virtually impossible to come by. FAA medical needs a complete overhaul. Instruction is primarily done by youngsters who are just building hours and not fully dedicated to instruction. I’ll reiterate; it’s gotten cost prohibitive for the common man/woman to buy, fly, and maintain an aircraft. I own a couple of businesses and do pretty well and it’s still a stretch to operate my 182. I don’t know what can be done to change that, but the barrier to entry for GA is insurmountable for many.

[@scotabot7826]

I am HONESTLY worried when the (Insane, Literally) government tries to take that right away from us. I'm very serious too!!!

[@paulb7089]

Thank you for everything you both do for the GA community and for helping foster excitement in aviation and STEM for not only the folks already involved, but also for the next generation! Glad you get to continue together on this journey! 1. The community is very welcoming and inclusive. I'm relatively low-time and have had nothing but positive and enthusiastic interactions with everyone I've met in the GA world. The good side of social media helping spread the enthusiasm for GA 2. The concerning growth (possibly also the dark side of social) of NIMBY efforts caused at least in part by misinformation due to a lack of understanding as well as intentionally being misrepresented due to developers wanting to take over valuable real estate. Aviation in general isn't a cheap endeavor but the most recent issues highlighted in Vegas show other threat vectors to keeping GA for everyone 3. Not quite 5 years, but a member of and supporting both EAA and AOPA And heck YES to the Albatross!

[@1roanstephen]

Mark, your story resonates with me. Seven years ago I went down with sepsis. I was a different bacteria but it leveled me. I was one sick puppy and the doctors told my wife I may not make it. I spent two week in hospital, but am still here. I am glad you are too.

[@Marty43ful]

Hi guys. A UK based guy here. I think you already give back a tremendous amount by sharing your lives, builds and aviation experiences with the world, evidenced by the comments you receive on every post I have watched over the years. However, in the UK there is a charity called Aerobility that you might like to Google. I think something similar in the US fronted by Icons like yourselves would be huge. Just think of the joy you could bring to individuals less fortunate than ourselves. All the best to you in finding your way forward with these fantastic aspirations. You guys are amazing.

[@chipmiller9074]

Be careful we still need You guys!!!😮😢😊

[@ChadKrueger-rt4bg]

You guys are amazing and are a prime example of what is great about our industry. You guys have to keep going and being you!! 1. What’s going right. Advancement in technology and practices. We’re just getting into the good stuff in aviation. Bush planes are performing at levels never imagined all the way to commercial airliners are flying higher, faster and cheaper than ever before and everything in between. 2. What needs fixing. I’ve been in aviation since I was 7. You name it, I’ve basically worked on it or flown in it. I’ve helped set up 145 repair stations and run MRO’s. I can say the biggest worry I have is the new generation of people coming into this and taking it over. A lot of them see this as a job and not a life. There isn’t the passion we had. I’ve been working at giving that passion to anyone coming in and on the fence about whether or not it’s right for them. I really want to do more as well. I think the right path or adventure with the new generation can turn it around. 3. What association. Again. I’ve been doing this my whole life. I have an A&P. I’m an IA and a pilot with a bachelors degree. I’ve been part of AOPA for a long time as well as the EAA. I’ve donated time and parts to the industry as well as taught new folks coming in. I currently work for an airline as a heavy maint tech rep and have time and would love to help in any way you guys can use it if needed and wanted. Please guys stay safe and keep forging ahead!!

[@mtyquinn6]

You guys are the greatest! I have met you a couple times at OSH (Mike, you and I had a long conversation at the B&C booth a few years ago - you are as personable and passionate as you are in your videos+++), (Mark you and I discussed tugs "at an affordable range for the < 40k aircraft people). I love how much both of you have contributed to the advancement and safety (and training) in aviation things that I have interests in. I know you are involved with gobs of other things also! I am certain your heart and "give back" mindset makes those ventures as fantastic as you have made your contributions to me!!! I try to be like you when working on projects (others and my own) getting people involved and making a difference. As far as the list: 1) We are so fortunate in the US to have these freedoms to get so involved with aviation. I have lived and visited other countries. One does not grasp this until you hear what THEY have to do in order to do aviation things! 2) I am concerned about the reductions of requirements in A&Ps and the forecasted shortages. Watching what Boeing has gotten in trouble with (focusing on margins over safety and pushing timeframes to "get things out the door" (from a friend of mine that works for Boeing). I am seeing MANY of the "old" A&P/IA retiring (or just throwing up their hands and saying it is not worth the stress/frustration/etc.). I have enough hours and have signoff to take my tests - I have NEVER worked on pressurized cabins, turbine, and jet engines... yet I am REQUIRED to know what I am doing! #3 will go into what I would like to happen. 3) a) Make a catagory of A&P/IA that is GA specific (say up to 12,000 lbs and not jet/turbine) [kinda like the SLA Rotax program] b) Make MOSAIC like what it originally was intended. Be able to introduce experimental like things (e.g. glass cockpit, engine swaps, other mods) for certified non training aircraft. We used to be able to do that, then it was shut down (pretty much when experimental aircraft (from scratch) really took off. There are a LOT of aging aircraft that will remain on the ramps and dusty in hangers as bringing them back with original parts is just no longer feasible (availability as well as cost when they can be found is HIGH). c) Like the idea of extending the SLA to include some of these aging plans (makes more sense than the "ya gotta by a 300k airplane to be SLA because all the Luscombe and ercoupe C are sold" - HOWEVER, not so sure I like the mcDonalds menu of options. d) Shortage of instructors NOT going into the airlines. As the demand for airline pilots go up (and hr requirements go down), the turnover rate at airports that I am involved with has a MUCH higher turnover rate that I have ever seen. If the Govt has 7.4 billion dollars to give away to college students that took useless college courses (and now cannot get a good job to pay them off) - the purse strings should be opened to the aviation world to encourage LONG TERM instructors some how. e) Help EAA get focused on EXPERIMENATAL aircraft - rather than "anything aviation". I feel that they have lost Paul Poberezny objective and now have become an "if it makes us money we are in" (as I open my 3rd solicitation for money mail from them this week). Best of luck (and health) to the two of you and your supporting families in so you can continue to inspire and encourage people to be like you! M.

[@av8rk9]

1) We have a shortage of A&P ... possibly sponsor people into this critical element of Aviation... help folks see this as a worthy life goal ... 2) What can you do to help us kit builders who don't have your level of knowledge and confidence complete successfully ? what seminars could you hold or workshops ? ... the kit arena is so necessary given the cost of cert. planes ... helping to grow would be wonderful. 3) Maybe become your own honor system where you award builders / Pilots with recognition having completed necessary work through your efforts. You two are amazing ... I really appreciate you and your individual and collective efforts ... thanks !

[@VTX1029]

The biggest problem being an A&P is pay and the up/down cycles of aviation as a whole. I left being an A&P and went into the medical field, much better pay, never have to get skydrol in my eyes, never have to work outside in -15 to 100 degree temps, No getting stuck between the rudder pedals of a lear 35.... When I got out of A&P school McDonalds was paying more than 1/2 of the industry. In 2000 our shop rate was $55 hr for piston and $65hr for turbine work. Most auto dealerships were charging $90-130hr. Remember the old saying the only reason you can't find people is because you're not paying enough! Pay and they will come!

[@C-Henry]

Its hard to survive on A&P wages these days, combined with the liability and bureaucracy it kills the passion pretty quickly. I still work in aviation, but won't be touching civilian aircraft for the foreseeable future. Even when I do, I hope its only my own homebuilt, if I ever get around to building one.

[@shikatok]

1. Whats going right in Aviation - positive social media (ex. You Both, Cletus and Dave Sparks). Whats going wrong in Aviation - the actual cost for the average citizen (license, flight time / training). Not enough people around us to support said adventure. 3. 5 year falloff is real, 3 year fall off is real, in fact 2 year falloff is most likley if your #2 is not met. You just become a spectator, ill watch and research type of person, wish i could type of person,a rc plane type of person. As close as i can get type of person.

[@douglastisdale1582]

Awesome video guys. As a Critical Care Paramedic, I see lives changed in an instant. So glad you both are here to continue giving back. 1. TRAINING! We are losing too many lives in General Aviation. Why do we keep killing ourselves, but 135 and 121 pilots have a stellar safety record? I am 52 and started my pilot journey just 3 years ago. I have less than 500 hours but I can attest, that training simply got me in the air. I've had to purposefully seek out further training away from learning maneuvers. Upset recovery is great, but what are the things that are likely to kill me. I take my wife, kids and grandkids flying and it weighs heavy on me the responsibility I have to keep them safe. We desperately need a structured training program for pilots far away from the training it takes to get the certificate. I see people discuss "AQP" and other acronyms and while I don't think the name matters, I think it it very clear we need more training on deadly scenarios. Let's focus on what is taking out GA Pilots and then create a structured training program to create muscle and brain memory to react to those scenarios.

[@jamesthurston1212]

Thanks for asking and the community’s support. I believe that there should be a more accessible way to get help with overcoming the mental trauma of a in a incident or scare as this can be a big turn away from getting back in the air or for allowing others by influencing others thoughts through passing on bad experiences. As well as this I strongly believe that greater encouragement of recruitment of aviation engineers throughout all the sectors of aviation as after the pandemic the industry has taken a massive hit especially in the engineering and maintenance sectors. Thanks again for your great videos and constantly working with and sharing with the community.

[@BB_Chaptsick]

Apologies for not having any current suggestions. I used to fly- was knocking out the last steps to get my license but got too expensive. There isn’t much you can do about that. But, I tune in because I love the content and the “get back to work drive.” Much respect to the both of you and to your families. You are truly just good people.

[@thehark6247]

You two make me wish my brother liked me. What a joy having your best pal as a coworker, and business partner.

[@silasmarner7586]

I think they have their faults, but their attributes is they are rational, calm, and clear-headed which augments their relationships. No doubt they're good and well meaning dudes.

[@skippyfpvexperimentalrc6755]

1) The GA community as a whole is just amazing at helping new pilots/builders and are just really wholesome people 2) I’m starting to see a lot on negative with GA when it comes to training. Many schools are just trying to get students out the door and off on their way without really going in depth on particular subjects such as spins. I am 19 years old and have only about 50hrs TT in GA and many more in ultralight flying and I can say for a fact that most new pilots aren’t getting all the information they need to be safe competent pilots. I am also 2 semesters in at my A&P school and have been doing a lot of research on crashes lately and many are maintenance issues and that includes avionics upgrades as well. The other issues with maintenance is in the KZbin side of things, many channels are starting to restore aircraft on a “budget” and those two things don’t go together well. 3) I am a member of AOPA and EAA! Thanks you guys for everything! I’ve been following y’all since the beginning and truly appreciate everything y’all do! BACK TO WORK 💪

[@aerialambitions3066]

Mark and Mike Patey! You guys are legends already. Absolutely amazing what you guys are doing and have done! Thank you for sharing it with us on KZbin!! I watch every video from you guys! Your value in family and hard work is unreal. Love it. (I get it:) 4 kids and business :) The three questions: What’s going right: There are some communities of aviators that are succeeding. This is because of incredibly devoted ppl to the sport. In my case it’s hang gliding in ontario (although we have struggles) as well as ultralight flying groups (UPAC) here in Canada. I hang out with a group of aerobatic pilots at our airfield (one competes in the nationals for Canada) Also the amount KZbin has helped promote the sport. It’s so good. (I’ve made few videos. Mostly for similar aircraft owners as myself(although I financed a 67 , 172 to help with commercial training)) There are events like sun n fun and Oshkosh!! Guys like you, Steve Henry and Trent Palmer! What’s wrong: -People don’t fly the airplanes they have enough. My concern is safety on sitting engines and airframes. Classic “hanger queens”. We gotta get planes that exist flying more! -not enough hanger space available (especially here in ontario) for GA pilots. (Ultralights, certified, aerobatics etc) my dream is to own an airfield someday to help this issue. (Place for hang glider training/operations, and GA.) -people don’t realize how accessible it CAN be. Hang gliding is the cheapest form of flying and a fantastic sport to do with others. (Although it survives here because of hard work and dedication for now…we need more resources (SOGA) Used ultralights are not terrible (price of a new snowmobile or quads even!) -ethanol free 91 octane almost impossible to find in ontario. Rotax engines will suffer What I’m involved in: I’ve wanted to be a pilot since I was a child but didn’t have the money and knowledge etc. I became a plumber for the last 15 years and ran my own company last 7. I’ve given up my company and going head long into aviation as a career(air ambulance is my goal) after dabbling in gliding and ultralights the last 3-4 years. I joined UPAC (ultralight pilot association of Canada) and have contributed a number of photos for their magazine :) the editor has an aircraft at our airfield (Juergensen field cpg7) I’m also on the board of our local hang gliding club (soga) and a contributing member with volunteer work/board meetings and hopfully this year help with tugging gliders. Please keep doing what you guys are doing!!!!! It’s unreal. Draco is my fav. I’m pumped to see Draco back!

[@MustangMan511]

1) The community of GA is wholesome and welcoming. 2) The entry and financial help for blue collar working Americans. Most scholarships are based around high school/college students (which is great!) But severely limits men and women that wish to accomplish their dreams later in life. Certified low cost workshops even for the ground portion would be a immense help. Who doesn’t work with someone that says “I always wanted to be a pilot, but could never afford it” 3) I only started flying two years ago so no memberships at this time.

[@nicka9202]

Wow guys… what an absolute miracle. As a paramedic, I have a very good understanding of how serious this was. I’m so thankful that you are still here with everyone, Mark. Even though I have never met either of you (yet) I care very much about y’all. Praise God for such a miracle!!!

[@scobiepuchtler7723]

Mike and Mark, your message hits home hard, both the carpe diem, and the awe of what aviation can give us. I'm a 1300 hour SEL pilot, grew up in central Alaska, dad was a government health aid worker, rescue mountaineer, glider pilot, glider instructor, CAP volunteer pilot, and had a Taylorcraft that we adventured in when I was a teen. I taught him how to snowboard when he was 65 and he became a certified instructor at 70, teaching in Utah. Sadly, he died the next year. Got my license at age 34 in a C-140 taildragger. Dad said if I could learn in a taildragger, they'd just seem like airplanes, not some exotic threat. That was some of the best advice I ever took. I helped a friend build a Glasair Sportsman, and have ended up owning and modifying two Glastars, rigging the latest one one with a T3 tailwheel and 31" Alaska Bushwheels, and touring the backcountry in my home state of Alaska. 1) I feel so privileged that I've been able to keep a license, and own two airplanes, and move freely from certified to EAB. Compared to many places, GA is incredibly open in the US. But there's a lot to do to keep it that way. 2) It's not that hard to argue that insurance has more power over us pilots than government, and that's a tough problem. I'm trying to set up my 17 year old son to learn in the same plane I learned in, a Cessna 140 -- a certified aircraft! used for training for decades -- and literally EVERYTHING is lined up to make it work, yet insurance may literally have the final say about whether he can live that dream or not. Seems pretty wrong. 2a) I think every small airplane on the planet should have calibrated audio angle of attack with at least three if not FOUR distnict audio signal levels, and the practice of landing to proper lift reserve should be integrated 100% into fundamental training for EVERY STUDENT PILOT. Landing to a well calibrated audio angle of attack keeps the pilot's eyes ENTIRELY outside the plane, automatically compensates for loading and density, and yet delivers the most consistent, safest information to the pilot to create safe landings in essentially every condition. If you need a high performance STOL landing, the audio angle of attack comes closer to guaranteeing it than anything else I've experienced. Plus, properly training the initial super-conservative AoA audio levels can be used to keep the aircraft completely out of the stall-spin zone. Distracted or simply unrefined student accidentally comes too close to spin/stall in a poorly executed pattern? first level Audio AoA comes on and student has been trained to automatically lower the nose and add power no matter what. Out of trouble just like that. I have never seen a more powerful tool for keeping landings consistently controlled and pilots safe. What if all landings by every pilot were safer? Heck, might even help with the insurance issue. 3)I'm an AOPA member and an EAA member for many years, and I've been a Young Eagles pilot for many kids, and mentored many of them into deeper involvement in aviation.

[@pilotdane1]

You guys are amazing & just blow my mind. Love watching you both - and am obviously glad you both are doing well !!!

[@MADKIWI]

I, too, have had a near death issue. Started vomiting, then went to bed with a bucket. 6 days later, I wake up in recovery with a lovely nurse saying the 2 neurosurgeons went up my nose & took my swollen, bleeding with a benine tumor piturity gland out. They said I am 1 in 2.5 million that survive. I love your channel's Mike & Mark....😊

[@dontknow3886]

Good to hear you survived. How is your recovery doing and if i may ask how did you get to the hospital?

[@MADKIWI]

@@dontknow3886 helicopter a Kawasaki. Recovery is slow. My life has done a complete 360....

[@kensnyder2340]

Wow!! Me too! Some plaque broke loose and plugged my Widow maker. I was dead for 4 minutes. Thank god my wife was sitting there or I wouldn't have survived! I was in ICU for 5 days as well. They were really worried about my brain surviving Annoxia! I was a healthy fit guy and I never had angina. I got sick at the kitchen sink , threw up, sat on the couch and died. I then spent two weeks in a rehab center and I recovered quickly. Wonderful surgeon and everyone who saved me. I feel so lucky to be here!! 😁

[@bartarkis]

I can add my 2cents. Notice the small improvements and work on being grateful. Have short term and long term goals that include other's help and planning. Being close to death gives you a valuable insight. I noticed that when my goals get put out there they end up being answered prayers. I am pretty careful about my requests these days. Keep on getting better.

[@MADKIWI]

@kensnyder2340 Yes, Ken, was a real eye opener as I just went to bed, slept, then awoke. They also said this was happening over a 8 year period. Ever so slowly going downhill, without ever noticing. Only two things that i did notice was I couldn't click my fingers and couldn't whistle. Never thought anything of it...???

[@mfh9780]

1. I’m retired aerospace. My father was a WWII vet who was a gunner on B-17s, later a Mechanic on P-47s. He always got us involved in Model Rockets, U-control model airplanes and RC model airplanes. For me this involvement resulted in a 35 year career in aerospace on some pretty awesome programs. Today, I still fly Model RC airplanes. What I notice in our club is there are no youngsters at all, just retired old guys. If you can figure out how to attract young people into aviation, whether it’s Model aviation or general aviation, that would create great possibilities, good times and possibly awesome careers. Please do something to get youngsters jazzed and involved in aerospace. 2. Safety seems to be a problem in commercial aircraft lately, this sucks and is dragging down the industry. 3. I’m a long time member of AMA, American Modelers Association, does this count, lol. Love you guys, glad you are both ok.

[@SoloRenegade]

gov regulation is killing the RC hobby and aviation. too much BS and cost for no reason.

[@monkeywithawrench27]

Almost the exact same suggestion as me. I'm an engineer, not really an aviation nerd, but I got my drive for engineering when I was little from working on various projects with my dad. It has driven my whole career. Most people do not have any real passion, or very little drive. I want to see youth outreach programs to get kids interested as early as possible. Could be model airplanes, could be general aviation maintenance, etc. I just want kids to find something they're passionate about and make a career out of it instead of working meaningless jobs they hate for the rest of their lives.

[@kienanvella]

Cost of entry to GA is too high, wages too low. Nobody's thinking about owning an aircraft when they are having trouble putting food on the table. Model aircraft are not exactly affordable either, and at least in Canada it's more trouble (paperwork) to fly model aircraft than it is to fly a real one, if you can even find a field you're allowed to fly at. The kids that are getting into aviation now are doing so in front of their computer screens, with simulators and KZbin videos.

[@mikercflyer7383]

I was also in the aerospace industry, worked at Rocketdyne space engine division. I am also an rc flyer in the Boise area.

[@Beef424]

I have always enjoyed aviation, but i too have kept my experience strictly to rc models both planes, jets, and helicopters. Member of the AMA past 7 years

[@CrinosAD]

I must admit, I had tears in my eyes when Mark talked about his near death experience. Good to see you're back at it! My greatest thought about aviation where I live, Norway, is that it's extremely expensive. Not many have funds to own their own aircrafts, and the few clubs available have not that many "time share" aircrafts as I call them. You buy a piece of the craft and share all expenses on it, and have limited time to the aircraft for flying. This works, but there should be more available, and prices should be more manageable. I really want my own motorized glider. My grandfather was a WW2 fighter pilot and one of his biggest dreams was for me to become a pilot myself. When my time came for mandatory military service, the military placed me in the Navy. (Not complaining, I've had loads of fun and it have opened many doors for me later on). But my ticket to a pilot license and the actually use for it went out the window as I kind of relied on getting on through the military. Now, as I've become older, past my 40's and racing close to 50. I'm in a good place with family, work, financial etc. But aircrafts are still CRAZY expensive here in Norway, and gliders are a bit cheaper. And... another reason for me wanting to get a glider is... My grandfather always wanted me to start with gliders from I was 16 years old, but my parents did not approve of it. Norway is a beautiful country from both land and air, and sailing above, relaxing and "disconnect" from work is a dream for me. So, option 2 is probably the only thing I can answer you on that can give a meaningful output. If Mark (or both of you) start a "Time Share" aircraft leasing business to help others into getting up in the air. You could stand as the majority owner of a craft, and have spots open for others. This might be a way into getting more active pilots... Might also be a paper nightmare with lawyers, so you should consider the drawbacks as well. PS: If I'm one of the random to get a gift. Please donate to something Children's Hospital ore something similar. I'm always donating to an organization called "Stiftelsen Sykehusbarn" here In Norway.

[@MichaelDellGeekoftheNorth]

I'm a life long aviation enthusiast. Currently a Student Sport pilot (At 57 years old I wanted to check off the bucket list item) 1. The community in Aviation is strong. As an older student pilot I have been welcomed by many local pilots, instructors and others. It's great! 2. I have a few items for this list :) a. Cost. You know the thing. It is really expensive to learn to fly these days. b. Medical - I have a couple of things that would require more paperwork to get my medical. I don't want to sit on the ground for 6 or more months to do that while I could be learning and flying. As a sport pilot, you only need a driver's license. I see no reason why that couldn't also be for Private pilot . Maybe VFR only or whatever limits, but I would have gone for private if it were not for the medical delays. c. Small airports. We need to save airports. A lot of them are closing. 3. I belong and participate in my local EAA, National EAA, Eagle flights (as a ground helper) and AOPA.

[@MichaelDellGeekoftheNorth]

As a side-note, I had all the book knowledge needed to fly. Just none of the skills. I'm getting there now. I have 33 hours now and do just fine for Light Sport. (Flying an RV12is). If I would have started at 18, it would have been easier to learn the skills, but maybe not the book stuff...

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Hi guys…I’m somewhat of a newcomer to aviation (got PPL in 20’s and then stopped flying for 20 years before deciding to become a pro pilot in May of last year) and I’ve been really enjoying your videos. 1. What’s going right in aviation? Well…in my world, the thing that is going right for me and the thousands of guys that have flocked to my channel is that the career opportunities in aviation have never been better. If you want to fly as your profession, this is literally the best time in history to do it. 2. What’s going wrong in aviation? From my POV, there is a few things that need fixing. #1 is the DPE shortage. The fact that pilots have to wait months for a check ride is nuts. #2 is the cost of training. Most schools tell students that they should expect to spend $100K and train for 12-18 months to become a CFI. That is nuts. I went from PPL to CFI in 91 days for $47K. Considering that most pilots become a CFI in approximately 250-270 hours, why on earth does it need to cost so much and take so long? 270 hours divided by 180 days is only 1.5 hours of flying a day. Bottom line: I think flight schools are broken and students are paying the price (literally). 3. I’m a member of NAFI…but only recently. Should you choose to work on any of the problems above, I’d be happy to help! Thanks!

[@victusinambitus]

Thank you for inviting comment. I am a 65 yo retired NZ salesman, private investigative author & blogger, with no aviation involvement but I love your honesty and enthusiasm for your passion for aviation. I joined your channel because of Mark's build videos. Whatever you choose to do, please ensure that those videos still keep coming.

[@user-oq8ym2fs3p]

Amen!!

[@mikehicks2544]

I'm a nobody in the aviation world, own a very nice, updated 1946 Navion E (placarded as a D model but has the 250hp IO-470). The panel has an Aspen Avidyne, Garmn Aero 760 and GTN750. For a person that just wants to get there in a sturdy, safe, stable aircraft, it meets my needs very well, and along with my iPad and GDL52 as a backup, it's a nice IFR platform. When my Air Force plans changed due to a broken back, I put aviation dreams on hold, focused on business until my kids were grown, then started chasing an old dream. I have belonged to the AOPA and EAA (National and Local) since shortly after my first flying lesson 4 years ago, and will remain so until I die, most likely. I think my concerns are valid, but it wasn't until I saw the Mark for Congress idea that I thought my concerns were moot. That's probably the best idea on the board so far. It's probably the most effective solution to what I see as the biggest problems. I can't help but wonder if you guys spend any time watching KZbin? With all that you accomplish, I doubt it. OK, back on track, here they are: 1. Like every federal bureaucracy, the FAA needs a serious overhaul. The burden it places on aviation advancement is ridiculous in my opinion. Whether it's outdated pilot certification methodology, the incredibly cost prohibitive red-tape needed for "certificated" aviation advancement, or just the difficulties an average person has trying to update an older aircraft, the FAA needs their hand spanked and turned into a friend of GA, rather than what seems to be increasingly hostile. GA is a fine representative of a free people, and I doubt many would argue that our gov't views freedom as the enemy of bureaucracy. Most recently and big in the news is the example they are making of Trent Palmer. I'm not picking sides, I wasn't there, but based solely on the law and merits of the case, I think his case should be extremely concerning to anyone with an aircraft capable of off-runway landings. 2. Aviation fuel. As if fuel is not enough of a problem already. Let's not "get the lead out". Or let's get serious about enabling the many capable engine options out there to enter the aviation world. I personally do not believe we have the capability of destroying this planet. Green is just another word for More Control. Earth has done a fine job of taking care of itself, and ... well, I think God's in control and it's pretty arrogant of men to think they can destroy it. I'm old enough to remember the Cuyahoga River catching fire. There's a big difference between pollution and being green. 3. GA airport support.... Do you see a theme here? It's a federal governments that's out of control, and working steadily to cripple this country, remove it's freedoms, and keep people under "The Thumb". MARK FOR CONGRESS!!! You'd have my support. Love watching you guys, and sure glad you're still with us. God Bless and good luck with all those plans for the future.

[@johncuny1451]

I’m in total support of all you have stated. A pro policy legal team to defend pilots from FAA over reach. With aviation law you are guilty till proven innocent. Mike Mason’s wing walking school is another example. I’m so excited you both want to give back. Mentors are the best form of encouragement. Thanks

[@paulmcginnis3852]

Glad you both are still around, you guys have so much more to offer humanity 👍

[@jonclarke9929]

Back in the early 70's my dad was seaplane fishing on a lake in Canada and came across a guy with a PBY Catalina converted into a RV/motorhome. It had a full bathroom with a gravity shower, master bedroom, and kitchen. He told my dad he was considering putting turbines on it instead of the Pratt & Whitneys, who knows what became of it? YES Build it and film IT!!!!!

[@johnvansloun7443]

1.) Access to GA - IMO you used to have to "know someone" to get involved in GA. I think that's improved - 2.) FBO's and City municipalities that see their airports as cash cows. Crazy FBO fee's, cities not renewing long time leases going after "Jet" business, "landing" fees - etc. Certified aircraft pricing - new aircraft aren't being built in the same number as the legacy GA fleet is slowly disappearing. LSA flopped and could be improved/renewed. 3.) EAA - AOPA - I thought the Albatross may have been it - that answer is absolutely yes!

[@bryceread1]

I’ve always thought an Albatross with PW120’s would be a fun ride…

[@v35james78]

Good response. GA Airports are no longer welcoming. Either socially and certainly financially. Need to open the seemingly closed network. More clubs? What about gliders? Those clubs used to be the cradle of careers.

[@HighHouseProductions]

Mark/Mike, happy to hear you are both well, and always inspired by your passion, kindness, ingenuity, and drive. I’m a young engineer in KY with a KZbin-Only pilots license and excited to one day make it real. Here are some thoughts of someone viewing from the outside looking in. 1) The Good: The universal sense of community and inclusion, no other following is as welcoming and supportive. How universally serious the aviation community takes training, safety, and improving, no one jokes about this. A sense of freedom, nothing else can make you feel limitless reach and exploration as flying an aircraft. Incorporating STEM as an essential and natural path to learning to fly, such a great way to teach young kids, the aviation program at my high school helped me find my passion for engineering. But most of all, the amazing, crazy, out of this world PATEY builds. 2) The Bad: As passionate as I am, prepared to do the work , ready to pay for training to become a pilot, I can no longer ignore the reality of my concerns for safety. I used to think I understood the risk, but seeing so many AMAZING and CAPABLE people lose their life scares me. Suddenly I hear thoughts like, “is it really worth it”, “would I even want to take my family”, “can it really happen to anyone?”, “maybe I shouldn’t”. When I see pilots orders of magnitude more experienced than I’ll ever be, finding themselves in life threatening circumstances, that is not a good reality. Yes, there’s always a mis-step, mistake, or reason for these incidents. But if our best pilots make them, I will too. . Honestly, I am surprised there isn’t a more widely used life saving feature in the industry to at least provide a buffer from the risk of great harm. (the parachutes seem promising?) To make it worse, I’m just viewing on KZbin, how many more tragic stories are not publicized on the internet. I wonder how many others are hesitating to get involved when we see so many tragic stories of good people. For Mark’s recommendations, I think I’ll leave that to those more involved in the aviation world already. But I know for certain, you both have an immense impact on the growth of GA and even more so on my life. I think I speak for many when I say we appreciate you and your family. Please take care of yourselves and enjoy life! (Currently not in any clubs/memberships)

[@eggertakerlie7320]

You guys are awesome, keep up the good work, stay safe and healthy, blue skies ! ❤

[@GrowingUpGarden]

I’m glad you made it Mark. We need people like you around.

[@mjcmustang]

The big things that would help with general aviation: 1. Mental health reform with FAA. 2. Bringing down aircraft and insurance costs. Those two things will do wonders for getting more people into aviation. The cost for second hand aircraft over the last 10 years (last 3-4 specifically) has gone up significantly, which has barred me personally from pursuing an aircraft purchase.

[@longez83dave]

Mike and Mark, I love what you do for aviation!!! As for ideas on what you can do for aviation, I think a current weakness we have is in the skills of the instructors teaching students today. I've read too many recent accident reports (many fatal) that involve pilot error, with the CFI in the cockpit. With the current pilot shortage, and airlines hiring, there are too many CFIs that are low time pilots themselves, and mainly or entirely instructing to build time on their way to an airline or other better paying job. We know that when a private pilot gets their certificate, it is a ticket to learn, with so much that they themselves need to learn. A local flying school has 11 instructors, and only one is a career instructor. The others are all building time. I don't know how you could do it, but we need better skilled, seasoned instructors, with better judgment in the cockpit, when teaching new students. Mike, I'm hoping you are going to be soon making progress on your new racer! Dave Adams, Race 83

[@srt8nbbecerra89]

Mike I just watched the episode with you and mark and you got me on tears. I’m glad mark is here with us. I get to meet him on sun and fun last year. What a great person. God bless you guys

[@RealRickCox]

Both Mike and Mark have already done SO MUCH for aviation... I can't even fathom asking them for more. They've been incredible ambassadors for General Aviation and are 2 of the best guys to ever come out o Utah. Love them both.

[@TheBarzook]

The friendship between you two is very inspiring as a father of 2 boys. I always emphasize to them that they'll have eachother for life and that's the most precious thing. You guys are exactly what I would like them to be when they grow up, not necessarily in terms of financial success, but just how you treat your family.

[@bonsaiforlife4me]

Lots of good things to come. Love it and back to work!!

[@SmittyMRE]

Good golly, gents. This was an emotional one, and quite beautiful. Your combined drive, your enthusiasm and love of aviation is infections. After following for years, I am definitely considering how I can get involved in flight. I'm not there yet, but it's on the bucket list. Thank you for these videos, and thank you for all you do.

[@77leelg]

Nothing changes the direction of your life more than a near death experience. Glad you both get another chance. Thanks for sharing!

[@Dogdocphil]

God Bless you both!

[@linnea8591]

So glad to hear that you both experienced miracles! It’s great to hear updates and can’t wait to hear what you do to impact aviation even more!

[@samuelalexander4157]

Absolutely loved the video! Mark, God's blessings on you. I'll definitely be praying for you, and may you make a full recovery. As for the three questions: 1. I might mention both of you, and others like you who so generously give of themselves to make it better. Definitely air shows and get-to-gethers are wonderful for those of us who have been driven out of full participation. 2. I probably don't know enough to make a very educated comment as a former student, and nearly licensed one (35+ hrs), it was expense, expense, expense. (My brother in a higher income bracket, owned and flew regularly several planes including multi-engine, pressurized, etc. , but is now retired. We now talk aviation a lot.) 3. Mark, I don't feel qualified to give you further suggestions, but will be praying that you find the one(s) that will bring God's blessings to you and others. Thank you that both you and Mike are so generously sharing the blessings God has and is bringing your way.

[@ryanarthur8359]

Glad you're both still here - the world would be worse off without you!

[@WCTarheel]

I'm happy that you're doing well now Mark. There's something to be said about the power of twins.

[@kenlightsey9375]

1) Membership in aviation organizations: EAA for a few years while building a RV-10. I don’t live conveniently close to any chapter, so I’m not terribly active. Formerly a member of Daedalians, a military aviator fraternity. 2) What’s going right in aviation: advances in electronics and microtechnology have enabled companies to provide near-instant access to a vast amount of information, enabling pilots to make better, safer decisions. GPS position, altitude, and velocity information is fed into moving maps. Access to databases containing frequencies, facility information, etc, is literally at the pilot’s fingertips. ADS-B provides access to traffic and weather. I am continually amazed at the low cost and reliability of the information available to assist pilots. 3) What needs to be improved: public ownership of airports is a barrier to development of business on the airports. Too often local politicians or managers are reluctant to embrace progress. Rarely however forward thinking city managers will partner with developers to permit “through the fence” development of privately owned land. Many city leaders cannot catch the vision of a future airport, busy with commerce and opportunities for aviation community.

[@lynncrook8072]

1. Going right - efforts are ongoing that are trying to make aviation accessible to those that in the past have not been exposed to it. 2. Small local airports are being forced out because of land values. There are still many barriers to becoming a pilot. Most efforts to overcome those barriers are focused on commercial aviation. If someone is "only" looking to fly for enjoyment/hobby etc there are not any avenues that allow those with even a modest income to be able to afford to fly. 3. AOPA only for 3 years. Earned my private license 2 years ago (at age 60). Thanks for all of the great content you have created, it helped fuel my motivation to complete a bucket list item and get my license.

[@davidmacglashan4206]

Thank god you’re both still with us, the world would be worse off without either of you.

[@troyvetrone7449]

Thanks guys for being such good influences for aviation!! 1. Mosaic a good thing 2. Shortage of a&p’s 3 lifetime member EAA

[@jessedn]

I am glad the both of you are OK. You are an inspiration for all of us amateur builders and business owners, or at the very least to me! As for your questions, I am most interested and hopeful in what is coming down the pipe with MOSAIC. I think expanding the Light Sport category is a great idea. I would love to see the sport category regulations include more advanced aircraft, similar to Europe, where a constant speed prop or even retractable gear are allowed. I have high hopes for what the future holds in the world of LSA's (OK, I mostly fly LSA's and both aircraft I have built/am building qualify as LSA's, so that is a particular interest of mine). Many people seem to discount the light sport arena, but I think it has a lot to offer, especially in the experimental realm. Plus, I think options like the Light Sport Repairman are a great thing, opening doors for people to be more involved with their own aircraft and helping keep costs of ownership down, making aviation more accessible to more people. It even has started a whole new business path for folks wanting to be aviation mechanics, which is great considering the world today. The biggest concern I have is around medical certification for airmen. I am switching to BasicMed as it meets my needs, so I am happy that there has been some improvement in this arena. The issue I see is one of fairness. I know several pilots who have had medical incidents that are 'disqualifying' and lost their flying privileges with no hope for getting them back. In almost all of these cases there would be no risk at all for operating a LSA or other GA aircraft, but due to the circumstances, the FAA has denied a medical and that is that. Hard stop. Meanwhile, with a slightly different set of circumstances, I know of other pilots who still fly with virtually identical histories who can just operate under either BasicMed or the LSA 'drivers license' requirements. This raises a huge issue where someone who is more than competent and medically capable is not allowed to fly, where another, who is in the same boat, is. I would love to see someone push on the FAA to reform the medical regulations to make them more inclusive to folks who have had issues but are fully recovered and can have medical professionals back that claim. This is a huge issue and I know of several folks who have really been beaten down by the FAA on this despite full medical clearance from multiple professionals. I do understand that for a professional ATP pilot, caution needs to be taken around medical issues or conditions, but for someone wanting to fly a LSA or a 172, it's a different story. OK, I'll get off my soap-box. As for the third question, I am a long-time EAA member (15+ years), and have visited several local chapters, and in the past was much more active in the local chapter. I am also a long-time AOPA member (also 15+ years), but not very active on that front. Good luck in whatever you decide to do! I look forward to seeing the next big projects you guys both bring to fruition!

[@rileyk5628]

I'm new to aviation, currently doing flight training as a college student. Although I plan to go to the airlines in the next year or two, GA will always be a passion and something I am involved in. For the questions: 1. Lot's of people entering aviation. maybe it's just the other college students and friends I surround myself with, but I find a lot of young people with a genuine interest in aviation outside of it as a job. Even individuals who are fighting for their licenses despite the costs; just because of their desire to fly. Also, the community seems incredibly strong. With the rise in content creators like yourselves, I feel there is a resurgence in people wanting to explore with GA. 2. Of course, costs are prohibitive. Owning aircraft and flight training costs keep skyrocketing. But there really aren't good solutions to that. Another big one for me that I see affect a lot of my friends is aeromedical, specifically the FAA's stances on mental health issues. There are plenty of good pilots I know incapable of getting first class medicals due to ADHD or other diagnoses; and the other side, of friends who are unable to reach out for help with mental problems. Another issue I feel is the acquisition of many small FBO's by large corporations, such as Signature. It takes a lot of heart and soul out of small airports, and can lead to increased costs (such as implementations of FBO fees and such). I also see a lot of airports being threatened with closures; especially in urban areas, airports seem to be having lawsuits and public scrutiny pop up frequently with the general public. We joke about it's people who bought a house next to an airport being mad their house is next to an airport, but if enough of them start yelling... As for some issues I think are more easily solvable: I feel in the next 10-20 years backcountry flying may get more and more regulated and difficult, with crackdowns on where aircraft can operate on public lands. Another more niche one is Colorado's essential ban on seaplanes. It's a weird situation, but it would be cool to see our state's waters opened up a bit. As I see many people mention, aircraft mechanics are getting harder and harder to find; quite a few associates I know have run into problems of aircraft being down for months just for an annual, or waiting lists of up to a year for simple mechanical fixes. This is in an area with a lot of options; I can only imagine how things may be in more rural places. 3. As I continue flying, I'm sure there are more and more organizations I will get to know. But as of now, NIFA and NGPA, as well as minimal involvement with EAA and AOPA. (Also yes on the Albatross. That'd be sick)

[@waynebrough8330]

A very important need in GA is improving the safety. This will help ensure it's survival by preventing restrictive rules etc. as well as limiting insurance costs etc. Adding your game to what Dan Gryder is doing (not thinking finance but your endorsement as often as you can). This area (safety) is so impactful for all society, not just pilots, as the media only gets loud over accident, especially fatals. Thanks. Love you guys and so glad you are all well!

[@normdyer94]

Please repair and restore Draco. That plane deserves to live.

[@jasoncherry2508]

That's what he is doing (called "Draco-X")

[@jaycooper2812]

Mike is working g on Draco X in which he plans to improve on the original Draco. He said that there were a few things he wanted to do differently to improve it even more.

[@Mr_Z_Man]

After the crash, Mike had said basically it would be too risky to get Draco back in the air again because of all the damage. Your looking at metal fatigue and a huge effort and cost to go through that plane to fix or verify it is solid. As much as I would absolutely LOVE to see Draco fly again I have to agree with his decision.

[@christianswanson7571]

Because life is precious, it will only live on in spirit. it's not worth flying some individual damaged airframe when others can stand in their place. I'm sure Mike would rebuild it if he felt safety wasn't an issue.

[@gtm624]

He gave an update on Draco x in this video.

[@matthews3904]

You guys are amazing! I love your thoughtfulness and drive to create.

[@emmanuelparaskakis7863]

Glad you're both ok and busier than ever. To your questions: 1. What's going right: Avionics, Composite Airframes, BRS, Diesel becoming a reality, More people training than in a long time, Electric planes on the horizon, Lots of info on KZbin! 2. What's wrong: Urgently needed replacement for 100LL, Old airframes, high cost of AC certification and high cost maintenance & insurance. Maybe the airport closure threat, but not as big a deal. 3. Associations: AOPA, EAA, COPA

[@emmanuelparaskakis7863]

And Albatross - hell yeah!

[@jameshow04]

Guys, you are the best thing in aviation history today. I have followed and watched Mikes builds for a while. From my meager perspective to aviation is the cost. I got my pilots license in my 40’s. Growing up I have always thought that flying was for the wealthy. Today I am still far from wealthy. A friend and I have the privilege to acquire our LSRM certification in a couple months. I have been a member of EAA and AOPA since around 2014. Have been a volunteer for our local young eagles event two times a year since 2013. How can the average Joe enjoy the great world of aviation? Henry Ford understood that need in the automotive industry in his early days.

[@DonavenChase]

1. What’s going correct: safety is talked about more than ever and more scholarships for young people every day 2. There are two very different kinds of pilots out there, one seems to have money to burn and the other are sacrificing everything just to fulfill their dreams, it would be great if they had more scholarships for the older crowd to add on another rating , IFR / Commercial to possibly make a career change or just be a safer pilot 3. Proud EAA , AOPA and Minnesota pilots member. Keep doing what you’re doing, it definitely makes the world a better place

[@JStiffey]

YES on the Albatross!!!!!! One of my favorites. Team with Margaritaville and call it the Hemisphere Dancer II.

[@cynthiaklenk6313]

I agree! Phins Up!! Always! Hard to believe Jimmy is in his beach house on the moon. Hemisphere Dancer II, has such a nice ring! 🦈to the left! 🦈to the right, I'm the only girl in town!! 🌴🦜

[@jimgoodspeed22]

As a second generation aviator who is both a mechanic and a commercial pilot, I do realize that I am blessed. I own an air tour business and a part 135 certificate, and own a total of 5 airplanes. I love to give back as much as I can, but Insurance has put a stop to that. Right now now the biggest threat to GA is insurance, especially for seaplanes. My commercial insurance to operate on Alaska is almost 6 figures. And a lot of owners are being priced out of their aircraft by insurance companies. I believe that owners need to band together and form some type of insurance co-ops, of course someone is going to have to spearhead this effort.

[@angelatovar8393]

1) You two and other fun aviation content creators are the best thing happening in aviation right now. You’re stoking energy in the industry and introducing flying to new people. 2) By far the biggest expense of owning an airplane is the cost of the hangar, and they are usually dreary places to hang out. Perhaps you duplicate your Spanish Fork hangar complex in airports across the country. 2.1) Aircraft engines are the second biggest expense. Perhaps you could buy the EPS company and bring the diesel piston to market for the GA industry?

[@syx3s]

i always had a feeling there was a special connection between twins. so glad for mark and all of you that he pulled through. that would have been an nightmare. ❤

[@billgruber6677]

Long-time follower and huge fan of all you do. 1) Safety is what is going right in aviation. Accident rates are coming down thanks to improved training, better avionics, access to in-flight aviation and traffic. 2) The list for improvements in aviation is long but we all know that the pilot community will only survive and improve if we grow the number of pilots flying. The list you guys suggested is great. You know the hot topics, plane cost, fuel cost, regulations preventing technology from being quickly adopted into new and used planes, airport closures is a huge problem, hangar access, etc. This list leads to my recommendation for Mark. He needs to replace Mark Baker as AOPA President since announcing his departure in January. I don't think anyone would be a better advocate for pilots than Mark Patey. Mark has the business skills to manage and motivate a large organization. You understand the problems. You are an inspiration for new and old pilots (the cool factor is there). You are well known and have the respect of active pilots and many of those wanting to get their license. 3) I am a lifetime member of AOPA and EAA and I am also a member of the Coeur d'Alene Flyers, Idaho Aviation Association, and Fitchburg Pilots Association. Do it Mark!

[@babcockcopper]

Mark needs to start a school for fabricators, makers and people who work with their hands with a heavy emphasis on aviation. Both of you inspire me at 50 years old. Young people really need to realize working with your hands is not a sin and future engineers need a foundation like the two of you have.

[@pburrows33]

Thank you for what you both have done, and are doing for aviation. I have had the privilege of meeting both of you. Aviation has been in my family for many generations from the military to RC planes and will continue with my children. I’m part of EAA, AOPA, FAA, and 25:25 a controller in the ATL area and RV10 owner. I bleed aviation and love it as much as you. 1. Hanger space for GA 2. Cost of entry for student pilots 3. Skyrocketing landing or use fees for flying to lunch somewhere. 4. Uncertainties for AV gas regulations 5. Did I mention hanger space? 6. Airports only catering to Jets and not the local pilots. Thanks again. Love you guys. Now back to work, can’t wait to see this old and new projects come to life.

[@tristanismyboy]

Thanks for the opportunity to add our input and thank you both for your passion about growing GA. #1 - The community in GA is growing and vibrate #2 - Serious shortage in GA mechanics, issue with small airports not being properly managed and driving people out due to lack of hangars #3 - Member of EAA and AOPA

[@wb6anp]

and cost of hangers, the cheapest near me is 300/month and that is on a private strip, most common is 600 to 1400 even those have a 2 yr or more waiting list. I have been considering selling my house and finding enough property somewhere big enough to build a strip and a house, it would be cheaper in the long run.

[@TheSchwartzIsWithYouToday]

Well, I can identify with you guys in that I had a heart attack in 2011 (11/9/11), and the circumstances around it led a retired coroner to tell me that the likelihood of NOT dying was about the same as winning the lottery. Yet here I am 12+ years later doing GREAT! Since then I've been at a point where I want to "give back", but it has been a challenge to actually do that. As far as aviation goes, when I was a kid in the 60's, I wanted to grow up to be an AF Test Pilot. But I had to get glasses in 5th grade and that dream ended. After COVID, I found myself day-dreaming about flying a small jet, like the HondaJet, watching lots of videos of people flying here on YT, and started looking into getting my PPL. I'm semi-retired and have been having trouble paying all of my bills, so I drive for Uber+Lyft, but it's getting old, and it's really tough to get ahead enough to afford flying lessons. But my focus on WHAT to fly has been evolving to the point where I'm most interested in something like a Pipistrel Sinus Max because, honestly, I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere. I'd rather float around in the sky like a bird and just take in the beautiful scenery, take some photos and videos to share the view with others, and maybe have a flying buddy who's also into that. But there are very few of those specific craft in North America, and none within 500 miles of me, let alone similar ones. There are a few Alpha Trainers in the area that are very similar, but not rated as gliders. I've been studying the materials for the written test and slowly learning what's needed. As I'm now 67, I'll try to answer your questions from the perspective of an "older beginner", to the extent that my perspective might be helpful for others like me. 1. What's going right? -- (1) This past February, I volunteered at a local fly-in for a few days to hang out, talk to others, and get some questions answered. My biggest takeaway was how incredibly friendly and encouraging everybody was. There were lots of older folks around my age (and many much older) who'd been flying for decades, along with people of all ages who were just passionate about this whole field. It was a blast! I ran into a guy at a flight club at an airport 10 miles north of me that was started by a guy I knew in the 80's, and when i've got the money I'll join that club and get my training through them. (2) I'm in the software field and have worked on a couple of projects in the 90's that were related to GA flying, but I haven't really paid much attention to the field since then. I know the technology has been around for years, but the FAA is horribly slow to adopt it for use in low-end craft. So I was quite amazed that they've finally allowed this equipment to be used in smaller craft! I think it's horribly over-priced, but that seems to apply to everything in the aviation field. 2. What's not working? -- (1) the cost of flying has skyrocketd in the past 2 years. Even people who've had older planes for a long time are charging way too much. I guess that's great for them, but I suspect it's putting quite a drag on people just learning to fly. (2) the medical stuff seems really crazy to me; most private pilots who fly for fun can get either a PPL or an SLA cert, but they're treated differently. The FAA should set the medical requirements based on how many hours you fly (or plan to fly) rather than if you have a PPL vs. an SLA cert. Given my previous heart attack, I've been told it will take 7-9 months to get the paperwork done, and in the mean time I'm basically grounded once I start that process. It's totally counter-intuitive -- I'm lucky to be alive and have had zero issues after having my stent put in (12+ years) and yet the FAA is going to treat it as if it just happened "just to be safe". Cripes. So I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the best approach is. (3) I'm finding discounts for people under 25 to learn to fly, and great deals you can get if you want to fly with the big airlines, but nobody seems to want to teach older folks, meaning if you're approaching or past 60, there are schools that won't even work with you. And I hear that once you hit 70, it can be nearly impossible to get insurance. So maybe I've just waited too long. (3) DPE shortage. nuf said. (4) I've been looking around trying to figure out how to bootstrap my way through the training process, and it seems there's only one way to make money until you've gotten fully certified with hundreds of hours of flight time, which is as an instructor. I can see the safety issues involved with flying people, but I don't understand why not allow someone to carry small packages for a fee? People like to talk about some biz or another as the "Uber of the skies" but current regulations make it nearly impossible to use your own plane to make money to help pay for continued training and build time. Even if you have your certs, it STILL seems nearly impossible to fly your own plane for any commercial purpose. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've asked lots of people and nobody has had any workable suggestions. Why can a CFI book students and make money, but if they use their own plane they become a "flight school" and are suddenly required to conform to regs that are designed to deal with large flight schools with many craft and instructors and a large variety of risks. Rideshare = "bring your own car". That seems impossible in the world of aircraft; you pretty much have to use somebody else's aircraft. SUMMARY: I can tell you this ... if I was 50, I'd be all-in on learning to fly with a goal of flying cargo planes. Today, I'd love to advocate for kids wondering what to do after high school, and urge them to get into aircraft mechanics and/or flying. Those interested in flying can spend 18 months learning to fly and then get a job where they'll be making $500k in 5 years. They can get a loan where they don't start to pay until they graduate, and the airlines will reimbuse them for their schooling as a hiring bonus. I don't know of a better career path anybody could choose today if they have the skills, which most people interested in STEM fields will have. (I've been a software engineer for 40+ years now, and I think that's NOT a field to be getting into today! Yet everybody and their brother is saying, "Learn to code!" Absolutely NOT. Today, you're best off learning to FLY!) For those more mechanically inclined, I'd say become an aircraft mechanic. The starting pay ain't so hot, but I given how slowly the field evolves, you could set up shop on pretty much any airfield and get steady work from folks there without having to worry about learning "new stuff". There are so many older planes still flying that need regular work you can keep busy learning all that older stuff. Cars and trucks don't NEED regular maintenance, but aircraft DO! More pilots + more planes = more work to do. It's a steadily growing field that someone considering most other trades should take a serious look at.

[@morgananderson9647]

I'm happy both of you are here among us! I really like the idea of the modernized "Van-Life" Albatross! Areas to Address: Reduce the overall costs for flying a plane- 1. Economical GA airplane power plants- The Diesel engine (EPS Aero) is a huge loss for GA. It could have been a family of extremely reliable, reasonable engines (4-8 cyls) which could be retrofitted into older airframes / kitplanes and deliver a reasonable per hour costs of flying. Perhaps resurrect the project and figure out how to make production affordable. Include propeller pitch control... The reduced pilot workload of a water cooled, single lever engine operation could attract new pilots. 2. A PC based Arduino/PC flight panel that is reasonably priced to be able to retrofit into older airplanes & new build kits. Something with pre-assembled wiring harnesses to make quick and fast installation for the most popular aircraft in GA. 3. Get the FAA to set a maximum limit liability for GA lawsuit awards. All the best, M-

[@smnkm4ehfer]

Incredible stories guys! Glad you both are still here to keep enriching lives!

[@Elevate-Now]

Hey Mark and Matt - SteveE here - Mark, your story was shocking in that it was sudden and so out of the blue. I'm in Texas now and my brother is still there at KSPK. I remember doing a double take driving down the hill from orem seeing the 801 in the driveway, (Wha?!). Your contributions to aviation and the area are legend. 1: So much good! Santa flights to Fly-ins and flying friendship due to digital/social/internet media - love living at an airpark, flying with IFR AP coupled GPS approaches, or open cockpit low and slow on a warm day. Sharing or solo. wrenching or flying -It's a gift. Shout out to those in the backgroud - Excellent ATC folks, airport staff, ground crews that make it a pleasure to arrive. There is still a brotherhood of strangers linked by the love of the air. being part of it is a delight. oh and courtesy cars - Best was a new M-class! then there was that school bus... Saftey enhancements - GPS, ADSB, AOA, VG's, ok BRS chutes, Experimentals, LEDs... creativity & ingenuity & dedication to solving/addressing items in #2. the list goes on... 2: Whats annoying: Barriers to entry, keeping ahead of - Inflation costs, insurance, hangar, fuel, random excessive usage/ramp fees, certification, inspection, examination, Overhaul fees. Excessive Medical hoops Jerks. Just be polite. Politics of 100LL replacement roll-out, encroachment, certification. Solved the maintenance problem and became and A&P! encourage others to build the skills to maintain what you fly, learn as much as you can. 3. AOPA, EAA, (30 years) Subscriptions to more magazines, channels than I can possibly consume!

[@chrispelley4632]

Some background: I’ve been in aviation one way or another my whole life. First in my family but started plane watching as a young kid. Glider pilot when I was 15. Graduated aircraft maintenance program, took a break but started flying again. Finished my ppl and Bought a plane (which I lost in an accident), finally building a rv-10 now. What’s going right: as many have said the community is amazing. Through flying, building, loss, training; someone has always been there willing to help. I have met tons of amazing people. What’s going wrong: This one is personal for me. I studied, watched all the accident videos. Analyzed every flight and in the end GA and decision making snuck up and bit me with the loss of my first plane in a fatal accident. I think the general structure of aviation training is inadequate when compared to the risk. The first stepping stone for a commercial pilot is to become a CFI. Don’t get me wrong, I have flown with some great CFI’s but where we are lacking is cold hard experience. Guys who’ve had close calls, learned lessons the hard way and can connect with students to better educate on hazards we face which aren’t black and white in a text book. Trying to figure out how to prevent accidents like mine and really pass that on to the next generation has kept me up at night since the day my plane went down. We need a better way of training and passing that knowledge down. The last problem is cost. So many people want to be part of aviation but it’s so cost prohibitive that many people are loosing sight of the dream. Finally I have been a member of AOPA and EAA.

[@agp7073]

Wow, this is one of your best videos yet. 1. Aviation information is so easy to obtain these days. 2. There seems to be a lot more accidents these days. They also seem to be easily avoidable ones as well 3. Your influence in general aviation is already amazing. I could see you being a voice to pilots, NSTB and FAA. Training for GA needs a voice that you possess. I’ve been a member of AOPA and AMA (RC) for years

[@Deadstick_OG]

Love both of you guys.... Thinking of you and your families. Stay positive!

[@brenocorrea1701]

I work in aviation and I’m about to get my PPL license, just for fun. My flight school is nice but we’re still flying on 1978 C172N. My ideas to you: 1) Design a trainer that would revolutionize and lower the cost of initial PPL and IFR ratings (do what the Cessna Skycather was meant to do but unfortunately failed. 2) Another idea is to design a modern 2 seater to be an entry path into aircraft ownership. Better performing than typical LSAs but still docile and suitable to the average-skilled pilot (maybe a Cirrus-like 2 seater?). Love you guys! All the best, Breno

[@shaddforester9510]

I feel ya Mark, my brother makes my blood pressure go up too 😁 glad you guys are good!

[@MatthewGunderson-rf1bd]

I grew up flying in Papua New Guinea as a missionary kid. JARRS had several Cessna 206's, a Cessna 402, and a Bell 206 Helicopter. My first time in the helicopter, we flow into a canyon and under the canopy for a way. We couldn't turn around and the pilot backed us to the hole, and we flew home. I got about 20 minutes stick time and despite being terrible at hovering, I had a blast. Pilots would let us fly the other planes on the long trips to and from the village. I was hooked. After a year of battling cancer, I went to Everett Community College and got my A and P certificate. I worked at a Helicopter outfit called Geneva Aviation while I went to school, and I still regard that as one of the best jobs I ever had. I wish I would have taken more initiative to engage in understanding the modification processes. I worked in general aviation and then commercial aviation. Then 9/11 hit and I had to go find other work. I did at one point take a low interest student loan out to take flying lessons, however when my wife found out, we sent the money back. Wouldn't recommend doing that, but career loans are available to help cover training costs. My suggestion is to just keep doing what you are good at, building cool airplanes. But set up a training program for kids to get time flying at an early age. Before PNG a retired Airforce Training Pilot took the youth group up in his plane and did loops, rolls, and he would buzz the field. I remember doing 140 kts 15 feet above the Arlington airport. Coolest thing a kid could ever do. I never finished my flight training, but there isn't a plane that goes over that I don't look up to see. I would like to see a four-engine 1/4'ish size C-130 build maybe using PBS TP100 motors. A 1/2 size B-25 might be cool as well. Thanks for doing what you do! I loved the engineering on your pool.