Without disparaging the amplifier recommended in the video, it may be more costly than a buyer looking at the LRS can afford. We have used many vintage amps with Maggies in developing our tube preamps. For those looking for a great match for Maggies at a reasonable price I recommend finding a used or restored vintage Carver amp. We have found the TFM line (TFM22, TFM24, TFM25, TFM42, TFM45, TFM-4.0), the m500t, and the m4.0t all deliver great results with large Maggies and with other high quality speakers, too. (All models I mentioned deliver more than 220w/ch into 8 ohms and more than 350w/ch into 4 ohms.) These can be found in working condition for $300 to $500 in several online locations. There are also several restoration experts in Carver gear online. These amps were a bargain when new and are still a great value. (They sound even better with a tube preamp, imo. ;^)
@simianinc3 жыл бұрын
I wish people who speak about audio had good audio in their videos. It lends to your credibility and it’s really exhausting listening to this
@Audiorevue5 ай бұрын
Hell yeah it's exhausting, after I watch the whole video I had to take a nap.... 😅
@Munakas-wq3gp3 ай бұрын
The irony is that the obviously bad room acoustics will be detrimental to their speakers also. It just spells fail.
@jtc1684 жыл бұрын
I LOVE MAGNEPAN PERIOD! 👍😎👍
@jon47153 жыл бұрын
Man, the LRS are so good. I've hooked them up the A/B amps, Schiit Aegir monos, NAD class D C388...everything sounded great, particularly the Aegirs.
@jrb_sland50662 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed that the audio community continues to insist on separating the final transducer {the loudspeaker} from the amplifier driving it. At typical low voice-coil impedances, this creates a market for heavy-gauge transmission lines {speaker cables} that wouldn't be an issue if the amp was built into the loudspeaker, and fed line-level analog signals or the equivalent digital data on inexpensive, light-weight shielded-pair cables. I'll grant that an integrated amp/speaker would then also require a nearby AC power outlet, but that is a trivial concern. This would free up the system designers to design an amplifier to best operate their speaker, allowing trivially easy yet more accurate crossover implementation, perhaps with separate power stages feeding each of woofer, midrange & tweeter, while saving the consumer the hassle of worrying whether their amp will work well with their chosen speaker. Leave those details to the speaker designers! There was a need in the 1920s ~ 1960s, especially in movie theatres, for the amplifier{s} to be separated so that they could be quickly serviced if one or more of their vacuum tubes failed, but today's amps will operate for many decades without any human intervention. We have mindlessly continued a practice that is no longer necessary. Oh well, just my opinion...
@btedd4 жыл бұрын
Hagel is 60 watts into 8 ohms. Remember the pans are 4 ohms therefore it is more likely to be running at 80 or 100 watts.
@ricardoshine88773 жыл бұрын
Try adding a Crown Audio XLS 2502 amp and the LRS's will sing!
@hitechburg4 жыл бұрын
MAGNEPAN is the top selling High end speaker maker with more than 200,000 pairs sold.
@Terry123452 жыл бұрын
I would suggest an Outlaw audio RR2160 mkii for amplifier power. $999 and has enough grunt to push the LRS'. It a few other features that might be useful also. BTW, great video 😉
@52x700m4 жыл бұрын
They sound just fine with my CREEK 5350SE. I don't need deep bass for most of the stuff I listen to. I'm rediscovering a lot of music I own. It's never sounded better. I also own Joseph RM25XLs.
@carljung92303 жыл бұрын
like the group format :)
@NakeanWickliff3 жыл бұрын
I know this is older but it’s sooo frustrating to hear your guys talk at out amplifier pairings in dollars. That’s doesn’t mean anything to anyone. What amps have good current, because from what I’ve seen that’s what matter right? The speakers don’t give a crap about how much money you spent on the amp. The speakers are looking for something very specific and you gentlemen are in the prime position and authority to tell us all what that is. It’s not dollars....help your audiophile family out!! Love you guys. Keep em coming!
@TheDanEdwards2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's current that counts especially for Magnepans. It's not too complicated to understand that Power = Voltage * Current. So "60 Watts" can be, for example, 60 Volts at 1 Ampere, or 1 Volt at 60 Amperes (or any other combination that multiplies out to 60 Watts.) And the amplifier interaction with a load (in this case a speaker) is affected by the inductance/resistance presented to it. The Magnepans present an amplifier with a thirst for current. One of the very long running problems with many audiophile recommendations is not specifying how well any given amp can deliver the _current_ needed.
@wallisliss4 жыл бұрын
I bought my first Magnapans in 1978!!!
@TeensierPython4 жыл бұрын
How long did yours last? I got 6 years.
@reaality38604 жыл бұрын
Outlaw makes an amplifier (RR2160) for US $900.00 that mates very well with the Magnepan LRS.
@christopherhachet82043 жыл бұрын
I currently run an old Carver Amp with an Emotiva pre amp on one system, and an Onkyo TX-NR808 on another. I think I see that Amp in my future replacing one or the other. probably the Onkyo.
@mannytheseacow73813 жыл бұрын
I’ve been A/B-ing the 2160 mkII with a Bryston B4. The Bryston is hands down tighter, more low end, and more dynamic.
@alanwigodner58112 жыл бұрын
I have a 2160, excellent.
@my2cents3954 жыл бұрын
It never stops, better speakers sound better with a better amp and a better amp sounds better with better speakers.
@christopherhachet82043 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@Spierdalajyoutube2 жыл бұрын
This is endless business
@microteche4 жыл бұрын
Good review thanks guys
@kelvinreid96064 жыл бұрын
Hi guys thanks for the great review and your comments. I just purchased some LRS's from you this week! I know they are back ordered, but can't wait. Agreed the Hegel H90 would be outstanding, but I have heard good reviews for the Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 3, or possibly a Schitt Vidar. Do you think these are worth considering as well?
@scottyo644 жыл бұрын
I liked the XPA-2 Gen 3 but when I got the DR1 mono blocks a whole new world opened up! The XPA had tons of power though and good sound. It had no problem running the LRSs and had a good sound stage. Lets put it this way, even though I got the DR1s I am not letting go of my XPA-2
@sherpadelgatos4 жыл бұрын
wow sounds like an excellent combo
@yaniv-nos-tubes4 жыл бұрын
great video. took me 5 years and 3 amps to find the right one(arcam delta 120 power amp) for my speakers(b&w dm580). this is exactly what i want from audio reviews and rarely see. matching components is such a big deal yet no one talks about it so we have to gamble every time we buy a new component. it's also very relevant for headphones.i think that most high end headphones are used by people without proper headphone amps.ide love to see you guys put together a desktop system for streaming that includes a dac, headphone amp and headphones .
@RealHIFIHelp4 жыл бұрын
I like when he says Pass Labs, and they all go "yeah man" lol
@DeAudiofilosyLocos4 жыл бұрын
I love my 150.8!
@johnnykaldani6334 жыл бұрын
The LRS has a good WAF (wife approval factor) and I have a small 12'x12'x8.5' dedicated listening room. My only concern is will my McIntosh MC240 drive the speakers adequately. I never play music above 75dB continuously. It's great that Magnapan offers a sixty-day trial period for the LRS.
@craigcoughlin18343 жыл бұрын
Dying to know what WASN'T working with the LRS. I have a Musical Fidelity A300 (150w 8ohm / 300w 4ohm) I'd want to pair with it.
@timgray9504 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video. Is the H90 a decent pairing with the Magnepan .7? Saw in another q and where you suggested the H90 and the 1.7i was ok but not ideal.
@Fred-ql3gq4 жыл бұрын
@@adrianlow2114 H190
@Ricky-cl5bu2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant I’m buying a pair
@sc511538264 жыл бұрын
because the power response of the maggies is far superior to everything else! wish I was there
@thedogefather4 жыл бұрын
My mmgs provided a similar experience. Made noise on a Nad 312, sounded good with and adcom gfa 555. Detail began to really open up with the Ayre V5XE.
@MrStingraybernard4 жыл бұрын
My schiit vidar I think works great with it $699
@thgtchr68154 жыл бұрын
Audiophiles are so serious. What they have to say is interesting though.
@MichelLinschoten4 жыл бұрын
THG TCHR not really... been yawning 3 min straight
@thomashumphrey73954 жыл бұрын
Great info and advice. Could you tell me if you think pairing the Hagel(?) H90 amp with vintage (late 70's-early 80's) Magnepan ribbon planar speakers would work as well (with a Denon RL-60 turntable) to give the optimal sound you are describing, or is that too much 'juice' and a Frankenstein mishmash with vintage components? Any advice would be much appreciated.
@frankiefen4 жыл бұрын
Hi from Australia, which amp do you think is better match regardless of the price? The Parasound JC2 and JC5 or the Hegel H90? Thanks. Love your channel. Frankie Ng
@AudioExcellenceCanada4 жыл бұрын
Personally, Our favorite is the Hegel H90
@scottclawson96843 жыл бұрын
Adcom gfa 5400... .. smooth like butter... magnepan love mosfet amps....
@brandonburr49004 жыл бұрын
One of the most overlooked aspects of this expensive hobby is system synergy. It's not necessarily hooking up the best of this and that and getting the best sound. Not shocked hegel equipemt can sou d as good as it does with them. Darko had similar experience ( though more expensive but similar price points around $13k) with kii 3 active system vs a kef ref 1 system driiven by a more expesive hegel h590 integrated. I can only imagine what pass labs equipment would sound like with the lrs maggies. I would be happy with one of the lower pass integrateds or pass labs xa25 amp with one of their pre amps. With a good source and maybe a sub end game system😀
@MiguelCHUNGSANG Жыл бұрын
Hi guys, did you ever try magnepan LRS with vintage McIntosh amplifier, like MC2155?
@jimshaw8993 жыл бұрын
I just referenced this. I am considering LRSs. I spoke with a sales engineer at Magnepan, and he stated that my Emotiva A-300 should be a good match for them. Has anyone else had experience with this combo?
@HRoy-ot7hy4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. What about paring the LRS with the new peatchtree Nova 150? How would that compare with the H90?
@hifiman45624 жыл бұрын
Was it just the low bass section of the LRS that you didn't like initially?
@nitsua8033 жыл бұрын
I purchased the LRS speakers and the Hegel 90 integrated amp, partially because of this review. At a volume of 20, the speaker is inaudible. At 40, it is barely audible. Very disappointed in my decision.
@christinearmington3 жыл бұрын
Yeet 😬
@orwhat243 жыл бұрын
I think they owe you at least a discussion of your experience.
@benkim2114 жыл бұрын
thanks for the review. how well do you think the LRS would work with a naim uniti nova all-in-one? its rated at 80w into 8 ohms. thanks in advance!
@Apodimi12 жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for the great review. Can I pick your brains on whetheryou would consider driving them with a 10 year old Hegel H100 at 120w ?? or is that not enough power ? I also have access to a Vincent SV-236MK at 150w. Thanks four your time and expertise....
@arobinson228333 жыл бұрын
Has anyone listened to the LRS with Peachtree Audio Integrated Amplifiers? I pulled out my Peachtree Audio 220SE Integrated and connected to the LRS last night and the combination sounds incredible!!!
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
High current DC Maybe even a little sigma servo .... Makes you wonder with the PS external supplies That's my pick for these ... Idk how ribbons would work with sigma
@michaelolivero84914 жыл бұрын
Did you change the stock jumper to a tweeter attenuating resistor or straight wire? This is the best way to improve the resolution of the MMG. Just wanted to see if it was a similar stock setup.
@mikkelgjessing2873 Жыл бұрын
Would the H90 be able to drive older magnepans too?
@erics97543 жыл бұрын
There is a caveat with magnepan first you need a sub a pair even better than you need a powerful tube amp not steely state. So after all is said and done you would be better off buying a set low powered tube amp and super efficient speakers and then you will have a beautiful sounding system at one third the cost. Sure the speakers are cheap but to get them to sound fuller you need to spend a lot to accompany them.
@mika2oo14 жыл бұрын
Any experience with the class-d NAD amps, like the NAD c388?
@samray34613 жыл бұрын
I have NAD 326BEE and SMGb and it is wonderful
@stevenkjames3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@donivey27724 жыл бұрын
I have an older Hegel H160. Would you expect the same synergy with the LRS's?
@mickywes37334 жыл бұрын
Schiit Ragnarok $1500 great pairing according to Audiophiliac
@rlwings4 жыл бұрын
So the the speakers are $800 - How much is the Hegal? (In Canada)
@ben23a312 жыл бұрын
Where is Krell and to a lesser extent... Good ole Adcom when you need them? #HighCurrentAmps
@shardie782392 жыл бұрын
I bought the integra 100 watt amp and at 4 olm it doubles to 200 watts. Do you think this would work?
@davidkosa4 жыл бұрын
How about the LRS with a PS Audio Sprout?
@huertoeloasis4 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, what do you think about hafler P3100 for the LRS?
@BBnose4 жыл бұрын
Talking about Magnepan but I only can see a Wilson Audio speaker in the video
@46wireboy3 жыл бұрын
Well, how could anything sound good in that echo chamber?
@joelnorris40644 жыл бұрын
How do they sound with McIntosh MA252 or other McIntosh amps?
@nervouscough71154 жыл бұрын
Great review. Might LRS pair well with an MC452?
@nervouscough71154 жыл бұрын
Adrian, what pair of maggies would be optimal with an MC452?
@ialgarindiaz3 жыл бұрын
You think the Anthem Amps will make them shine??
@JR-Canada4 жыл бұрын
What's your ETA on LRS?
@neuromantoo4 жыл бұрын
Any amps your would recommend with the Magnepans at a lower price point?
@Bhall912e4 жыл бұрын
This is going to sound crazy but I have tried multiple power amps with my Magnepans. My old B & K amp drives them very well and they sound very musical....
@imnguyen66584 жыл бұрын
B Hall Great suggestion. I have a great number of amps that are higher in wattage but not in amperage which couldn’t drive Magnepan as well as the B&K. I would also recommend a high current Parasound.
@somebunnytolove4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from California...love the video btw. Intrigued about the Hegel/Maggie combo and got a couple of questions. First, would you think any Hegel amp will produce the same synergy with any Maggie (I am planning to purchase the .7), or is the H90 special? Second, stereophile praised the Rogue Sphinx/Maggie .7 combo, what are your opinions on this? Third, if you had to pair the Hegel H90 would it be the LRS or .7. Thanks in advance.
@CanadaSocial4 жыл бұрын
How much do these cost in Canada? Don’t you need a sub for the Low frequencies?
@shahidyt4 жыл бұрын
I purchased 2 SVS SB-1000 and then got the LRS, I haven’t bothered connecting the subs as I’m content with the bass, but I’m not a bass head. If you do get subs with these, you need to get very fast subs since Maggie are fast, otherwise the Maggies and subs will be out of phase, so I’ve heard. I’m using a Rotel RA-10 amp, will need to trial the H90
@Tbonyandsteak4 жыл бұрын
One of the problems with a revealing speaker like that, is that you also need high ends equipment and a space to place them.
@ronaldrice29364 жыл бұрын
Yeap I wonder would my $1800.00 Pioneer Elite rev. with @120watts of MOSET Power be enough , cause if I live long enough I'm getting a but That's All The Hi-End I'm going.🔊🔊. END GAME 💯👍🥂🎉
@erics97543 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldrice2936 Trust me i have had many magnepans tubes sound so much better in front of them every solid state sounded terrible yes good bass but midrange flat and treble screechy. I used stuff that was recommended and was not cheap .
@albertorudi51684 жыл бұрын
Nice video. On your next meeting, would be appreciated to take off your baseball cap, while speaking. :)
@josephseason4 жыл бұрын
Alberto Rudi I agree. Maybe he is bald?
@adambrown88674 жыл бұрын
What? No Bryston?
@kohnfutner96374 жыл бұрын
Kind of like my Klipsch. I don't like Denon with Klipsch, I like Yamaha with Klipsch. Denon is ok with Elac.
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
Try Klipsch with a SET tube amplifier It's really a giant killer set up Like voice of the theatre type set ups were compatible
@kohnfutner96374 жыл бұрын
@@dednside5229 is that a guitar amp? All I'm bringing up are a bunch of guitar speakers on Amazon.
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
@@kohnfutner9637 Try musical paradise or Sweet Peach Similar amps cost about 4500$ These amps only make a few watts But the watts they make are on par with very expensive amplifiers , so just use a sub and a high pass active crossover. The best amplifiers available are about 300k$ .... Guess what thier SET tube amplifiers . Replace the caps and tubes with quality parts and your in buisness . Perfect for high sensitivity Klipsch And correct the snap aero effect in the horn on older models .... Perfect synergy - [My friend Developed this research he works for the DOD on telecommunications tube based systems Instagram @Mazzgorilla]
@frediebouy4 жыл бұрын
It's not an all around speaker. It's good at acoustic folk and jazz, also electronic music. It will not deliver orchestral or rock well. Recommended for a secodary system or complimentary set of speakers.
@pathuard9384 жыл бұрын
Rock Is good with hegel h160 and sub martin logan
@peterlemonjello16264 жыл бұрын
90% of speakers made need a subwoofer to produce bass.
@pbnjimages2944 жыл бұрын
Add two of their bass panels, and Bryston 4 and they do everything well.
@markbean82864 жыл бұрын
Cliff Moore e
@thedogefather4 жыл бұрын
A properly tuned subwoofer solution that fills out the bottom octave makes the above statement quite inaccurate to my opinion. I find no issue playing rock metal electronic or orchestral music. You will indeed be missing notes with the speakers by themselves. They simply can’t reach the bottom rumble. Honestly even 1.7 don’t quite reach the bottom without assistance.
@leekumiega92683 жыл бұрын
If you can't afford an amplifier that costs 4X the cost of the LRS get a used Carver amplifier with the "magnetic field coil" power supply or Sunfire amplifier with the "tracking down converter" power supply as both are able to deliver the high current needed to drive the LRS properly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXvVoGVsjN2Xl7M
@pedrocols4 жыл бұрын
My dealer does not carry the LRS anymore because once customers listen to the MG 1.7i is game over.
@scottyo644 жыл бұрын
That statement made no sense at all. The LRS is less than half the price...…...…………….Many people such as myself run them, you don't need as much room, spend a lot less yet get great sound.
@pedrocols4 жыл бұрын
@@scottyo64 Exactly it makes no sense. It seems to me they make more money selling the bigger models.
@floydkannan4 жыл бұрын
I am surprised at this review. Not about the Magmrpan, but the Hegel. It is an absolutely over rated amp. It had very poor drive capability. It was s damp squib in comparison to the vintage Adcom GFA 535. It is a product/bramd where you will find very few user reviews and manly paid magazine reviews. Hegel is an amp that highly dissapointed me as I had gone eagerly to buy it and came back very very dismayed.
@bushmaster17404 жыл бұрын
I use only a few pieces of equipment, swapped infrequently. My Parasound 2125 lost a channel, so I had to swap in my 30 year old ADCOM 545-II on my KEF Q350. All I can say is wow, I don't care if the Parasound EVER gets fixed. My system went from Best Buy to a premium soundscape. Non the less, I couldn't go on with the ADCOM, and ordered a Vitar, which is coming tomorrow. I am quite interested in the LRS though. The open design seem like it would be good for a rear home theatre set-up. (ducks for cover)
@TheSpread14 ай бұрын
Magnepan speakers are a novelty at best. They draw so much power they destroy amplifiers, and the people that work there are not informed about the products enough to be answer questions about compatibility. Also, the sound is directional and don't film the room well. Buy SVS instead and save yourself the headache. These aren't "great," speakers by any measurement.
@stevewihl41202 жыл бұрын
Geez. Watching three guys reading what other people said about a speaker I’m trying to get information on……….ugh! Turned off 2 mins. in.
@peterhenderson57144 жыл бұрын
For high current and great sound try a 1970s Harman Kardon from ebay. Much more bang for buck.
@joppepeelen4 жыл бұрын
here a DIY build with the same concept if you would be interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4PTd5iQhceLrtk
@donvittoriosierra3 жыл бұрын
We found the hegel 390 too weak for maggies. So I am kind of thinking minimum 2000 watts into 4 ohms for maggies lol
@46wireboy3 жыл бұрын
Do you actually listen to music in that echo chamber?
@lloyd.82722 жыл бұрын
Room sounds like you sat in the bathroom.
@TeensierPython4 жыл бұрын
Used to like my 1.7 magies. But then they didn’t want to stand behind them when I was having issues. 500$ they want to fix them. Thanks but time to move on.
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
Can you tell other buyers about what happened ? I was considering buying the LRS
@TeensierPython4 жыл бұрын
The Mylar peeled away from the frame. I decided I would fix it myself rather than pay the amount they wanted to fix it. What was the worst that would happen? I would have speakers that didn’t work? they already sounded crappy. Pulled them apart and re-glued the Mylar to the frame. If they used better glue in the first place or would stand behind the product despite them being “old” (what they told me when I gave them the serial number) and fix them. They work pretty good again now
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
@@TeensierPython I've heard alot of magneplanar have issues with longevity . The best speakers I have ever heard were carver magneplaner on Krell monoblock . I was considering running some high current amplifiers after hearing some new ribbon studio monitor I never heard the sound projected like that before .
@TeensierPython4 жыл бұрын
I took the risk of repairing my 1.7 Maggies on my own. 7$ bottle of glue did the job. I did the repair 3 days ago and played them last night. They are sounding pretty good again. I was debating paying the 500$ Magnepan wanted for the repair or buying the LRS. So now I don’t know how I feel about them. Love the sound. Just wish I could get more life out of them. Just wish Magnepan would stand behind their product longer.
@dednside52294 жыл бұрын
@@TeensierPython I was just thinking how many high end speakers can you get for 650$ You can always work around the amplifier side with studio amps or repaired choice vintage amps . Especially now with the dacs available I built this system (JBL Studio // Genelec II- KZbin) .... I'm looking for a change up , Maybe an LP based system
@wiisad2 жыл бұрын
I have 1.7 Maggie's paired with a Emotiva UPA 200 and it sounds great.