We Don't Know HOW to Feel After All This?!? - Acolyte Season 1 Eps 5 Reaction

[@carsons8389]

To confirm near the beginning, his Vambrace and helmet are indeed made of Cortosis! Making it canon woo

[@DarthTingleBinks]

I think it's been in some comics and novels, so it's been canon for a while, but not as many people read those as they watch the movies and shows. Hell, I haven't read them. I didn't even know Cortosis was a thing until this episode.

[@imgettingtoooldforthis]

I know it’s been in some books and games but good to see it in live action.

[@x3xmattsonx4x20]

@@DarthTingleBinks Have they not confirmed many times the tv shows and movies are the only canon?

[@DarthTingleBinks]

@@x3xmattsonx4x20 No, they haven't. They've been very clear about the books, comics, and games being canon, as well.

[@xivilai47]

​@x3xmattsonx4x20 the new books and comics under Disney have it which are Canon.

[@RicardoLuciano-q5z]

"OHHHH YEEAAAAAOOOOH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO" The sheer terror on his face Also the Yord Horde and Jecki Squad took an L that episode

[@StagravenMedia]

“Look at Yord using his head!” 👀👀👀

[@margolitapnina6716]

exactly 😂

[@michaeljeacock]

Look at Qimir, using Yord's head.

[@elreydelmundo1343]

He ain't using that thing anymore 😂

[@chaq34]

Jecki barely got a chance to have fun with her newly unlocked dual wield skill 😭😭😭😭 #jucticeforjecki

[@madelinegarber7860]

I know! I wanted more!

[@chaq34]

@@madelinegarber7860 she had so much potential! Her lightsaber skills would have been unreal had she made it to Jedi Master 😩😩😩😩

[@madelinegarber7860]

@@chaq34 I know!

[@The2ndQuest]

Accurate to how quickly I need to respawn after unlocking something new on a skill tree in the Jedi games. "Oh, cool, let's try this. Neat!" (whap-whap-whap!) "Dammit!" (whommm)

[@chaq34]

@The2ndQuest but actually though ☠️🤣😭

[@aBloodyMonk3y]

I love how we actually get to see a character use Trakata, turning a lightsaber on and off during a fight, at least a little bit. It’s funny how it genuinely confuses the Jedi since they’re so used to “rules of combat”.

[@rogersjgregory]

Didn’t want to waste the batteries.

[@aBloodyMonk3y]

@@rogersjgregory he has a crank to charge the saber that he’s using moving between fights

[@erikholmgren1477]

as a martial artist, When I hear rules of combat, I always thinks it means what tactics to use in a fight. When you suddenly fight someone using for you, an unknown tactics you have never seen, it is easy to get unsure of what to do, suddenly you don't know how your opponent are going to react on what you do or more precise, you get unsure of what they might do, or why they takes specific stances. What are they trying to accomplish, am I walking right into there trap, their strong side. I have seen many people thinking that rules of combat are meant as, well, rules for like competitions, this you are not allowed to do, you are only allowed to do this or that.

[@erikholmgren1477]

A not so experienced fighter might easily freeze up in one of the most important things in a fight, decision making.

[@yamatofraccion]

7:50 And that Mae, is how you kill a jedi without a weapon

[@madelinegarber7860]

Lol facts. QuiMir was like here I’ll show you how it’s done.

[@joelwatkins]

GIRL, GET RIPPED OR GET REKT

[@matheuskeunecke1335]

Bro wanted to prove his point

[@timr6318]

I think it's important to distinguish the fact that he didn't say he WAS a Sith, but that the Jedi would CALL him a Sith. Interesting to see if they follow that up later in the series.

[@HeatRaver]

Yeah, ties into the hardliner notion that "anything closer to the 'dark' than we are is 'evil'".

[@TheKrazyguy75]

To be fair, he also quoted "Peace is a lie" and talked about freedom to use his power, which are core parts of the Sith Code.

[@Greenhawk4]

What is confusing is that on some post they confirmed that he is one even though that line he has is literally him saying he isn't. They can't say its both so I wonder which is it?

[@atari1994]

@@Greenhawk4 The stupid showrunner said this show was from the "sith point of view"

[@Fear_the_Nog]

And they call him Dovahkin....DRAGONBORN!!!! ----- but that don't mean he actually is the Dovahkin. Got it. Impeccable deduction.

[@falcon4196]

The helmet is Cortosis. It can short out lightsabers and absorb blaster bolts but it's brittle

[@redcardinalist]

"What do you want?" "Freedom...the freedom to wield my power as I like". Chaotic Evil alignment confirmed

[@contentcorsair]

The power of one neck snap The power of two red sabers The power of Manny... holes in Jecki Edit: The power of two could also refer to those two Sith GUNS he be packin

[@6-dpegasus425]

LMAOOO

[@GadrielDemartinos]

Clever my friend, very clever. Well done. I'm gonna use it and give you all the credit.

[@JonathanMartinez-ei4up]

This is the villain that said they must kill with no weapons…well, guess the neck snap was technically no weapons lol.

[@jamesrein648]

She had multiple holes before the lightsaber fight

[@6-dpegasus425]

@@jamesrein648 ... ayo-

[@Adriangabs]

I love the way Qimir fights

[@cmrobbins88]

The moment Sol was about to kill the Sith I unconsciously said “do it” and then when Osha stepped in I groaned.

[@JasonAguirre]

I hope you used the voice...

[@vektorcraft9904]

"Carnivorous Roly-poly's" is a billion dollar horror movie blockbuster I didn't know I needed.

[@VoyagerCSL]

It was also also my band in college

[@12345Brisk]

Sounds like another "Sharknado" esque thing and I'M HERE FOR IT

[@thewerewolff7248]

To strike down an unarmed opponent is not the Jedi way. If Sol struck him down in front of osha (out of anger no less) he’d prove himself a hypocrite to everything he had tried to teach her when she was his padawan

[@Ponto-zv9vf]

The Jedi are hypocrites denying what they feel. Qimir should have been killed after what he did, stuff some silly rules. And there is always the loss of limb trope in Star Wars. Qimir wouldn't be much with one arm or one leg.

[@wonderpossum3295]

I think a lot of people missed why Sol threw his sabre away when Qimir grabbed Mae - sure, it's a hostage situation and that's the trope. But in Sol's case, he's demonstrated he's a very long way from helpless without his sabre. And when you can call it back to your hand in a second, it's not that big a deal to drop it to seem like you're surrendering for the moment.

[@sweetphenom6642]

Adam's tank is perfect for this episode

[@AlexanderWandering]

First we get Manny's arms and now Adam's? What did we do to deserve this???

[@jasonmarbach]

Okay, y’all weren’t as down on it as I was afraid coming in. I do care about Mae and Osha (frankly, if ep 3 didn’t get someone to care about them, then probably they’re never going to care about them) but they’re far and away the least interesting characters in the show to me, too. I don’t think the writers are getting near enough credit for how they’re weaponizing our collective bias for tropes against us so far. Between the unreliable narrator stuff (what we have been shown with Mae’s past so far is absolutely not the real story) and how they drop just enough obvious turns (like Qimir, which was clearly never supposed to really be a secret, they just coded it so we’d think it was and then the obviousness of it would get us on our heels some) to give the real surprises (like the lack of plot armor for Jecki and Yord) more weight when they hit. Plus, this is pretty easily some of the most savage, untethered action we’ve ever gotten in Star Wars. The choreo is insane. I dunno, I’m really, really enjoying this show so far. Manny Jacinto is amazing, and Sol remains compelling as hell.

[@jackstutz2860]

My biggest issue is that Ep 3 relied very heavily on getting us to like Osha and Mae through child actors. Now I am in no way hating on child actors or the two who played the twins in particular, but 99% of the time, children don't have what it takes for the story this show was trying to get them to tell. They just didn't pull me in. The whole time, I'm thinking "why would they make kids be the emotional core of this entire show? why not just let Amandla do what she do to get me to care?" idk, maybe thats just me. I do agree with everything else u said. Top tier action, i like the trope inversions, and Manny Jacinto and Sol are easily carrying this show acting wise

[@jasonmarbach]

@@jackstutz2860 I think that’s fair to be honest. While the child actors worked for me about as well as child actors can (and props to those girls, they worked their asses off and it shows…the scene between Osha and Mother Aniseya in particular was really well acted) I can definitely see what you mean.

[@KevinDPomeroy]

So I think Mae is an interesting character but they have made Osha very bland and lacking in emotion, that it's hard to connect to her character, at least it has been for me.

[@linamarcela888]

@@KevinDPomeroy I dont enjoy how they kinda waterdown osha when she is an " adult" . I feel if we know more about her past trying to be a jedi , we could have some progress. But i dont like the good is bland and evil is complex. It used so much it kinda ruined their progress as being two different people as the writers want us to understand.

[@adampulchinski4015]

I didn’t know until last week that Jecki was Dafne Keen from Logan. The fighting in this was great, and I love Manny Jacinto.

[@javiherbou87]

Woo boy, finally what we were all waiting for! Some top notch action. Top tier light saber fights indeed. Props to the stuntmen and the own actors who did their stunts, specially Dafne Keen and Manny Jacinto. Some awesome 1v1 and 2v1 scenes!!

[@JayRayOfficial]

The battles choreographies were one of the best I've seen to date in SW.

[@Morden2260]

Half expected the RAID team to show up!

[@domjones-of-wales]

They were good and very much needed, but not great

[@majinvegeta3181]

I have seen better

[@thegrahamdalorian185]

Leslye Headland said she knew most folks would have already figured out that Dark Sider was Qimir, and so it was what he did with the reveal that mattered more. The "Was that it's name?" line was one of the best heel turn confirmations I've ever seen.

[@CCFONESOL]

A heel, doing and saying heel stuff, is not a turn.

[@Keitek]

The show even acknowledges how obvious the reveal was when Qimir grabs Mae and sarcastically asks if she really didn't know it was him the whole time and seems disappointed when Mae really didn't know it was him.

[@madelinegarber7860]

Oh totally. The reveal and complete 180 of his personality was very we done even if we knew who it was.

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

Yes, but he not the Sith that she trying to hide. Yes, there is another Sith.

[@thegrahamdalorian185]

@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 I'm not so sure. I don't think he's Sith, I don't think HE thinks he's a Sith. Remember, he said "I don't have a name, the Jedi would call me Sith" (paraphrasing). But who knows at this point. Show does keep you guessing.

[@bjiornbjiorn]

11:14 See I can understand indifference to The Acolyte as a show, I certainly wasn't raving about it for the past 4 episodes even though I was pleasantly surprised given my low expectations. What I can't understand are people who say they hate the show. I just can't understand anyone being invested in this show for whom this would come as a betrayal warranting hate: either you were looking for more Disney Star Wars (which you got); you didn't have high expectations and were watching it for its own sake (like me); or you already thought it was going to be bad (and presumably think it is). I'm not sure that the depth of attachment required to illicit hate is there for any of those people, bar the Disney appreciators (and they got what they wanted).

[@OldManRiv3r]

I have been pretty down the middle with my feelings for the show thus far. But when it was pointed out to me this way, I started to understand people's hatred for it more. For many longtime fans Star Wars is a cultural pillar, Star Wars had been an *EVENT* for decades (granted most of that comes from not having a ton of competition) and it was something that carried over even to the prequels, which even at the time had mixed reception. But it was a cultural event whenever these things came out. And now the new generation of kids will never really experience that momentous significance that was *STAR WARS*. To them, its just *another* fandom out there that is mostly met with middling reviews and has lackluster audience reception. It's not the world breaking thing it once was, and honestly I think it has more to do with more stuff and *BETTER* stuff in competition, where as before Star Wars was allowed to just be the king because it *was* still the cultural touchstone it had once been. The legacy is more or less a dwindling flame, and as a lifelong Star Wars fan I'm okay with that. These things happen, things rise and fall out of fashion. Sometimes forever, but sometimes they return in a blaze of glory. And if not, all the movies, shows, games and books I *do* love fully, will still exist for me to revisit.

[@KevinDPomeroy]

Is the Acolyte my favorite SW show? No. But since it is Star Wars, I'm going to watch it, and overall I feel it's been fine. I enjoy they are exploring a different era, which is exciting.

[@Greenhawk4]

True. Not only that but there are things that people say break canon even though they really don't.

[@atari1994]

You can hate a show when... for 5 episodes you have yet to tell a cohesive story. Jay and Adam are confused. I hate that this show had horrendous writers writing it.

[@Ponto-zv9vf]

The show is just a way to explain the Sith backstory leading to Palatin and the Jedi lack of awareness of the Sith.

[@kingmj87]

Jecki was the best character, but Qimir was already great as well, and Sol’s solid too. The show’s failed to make us care about Osha/Mae bc it doesn’t treat either of them like a complete character (but that’s a more general Star Wars problem, plaguing the prequels, the sequels, and other shows). I thought the episode was great, succeeding with flying colors in its goal of introducing the villain.

[@linamarcela888]

I find it kinda sad that they dont try to make the sisters more complex or more fulled out . When we know the actress can channel som many emotion and have the skills to give the materials something different.

[@pemberliegh]

I've been thinking about how people have pointed out that twice when Qimir was doing his thing, the Kylo Ren music played. Does that mean he is an early Knight of Ren. Or maybe he is the first Ren? So this is Qimir Ren, who turns out actually starts the knights... collecting the acolytes he so desperately wants. Maybe Mae and/or Osha will be his first knight(s) by the end of the series. His vibe and outlook on the force is verrrry similar to theirs. If he is the first Ren, that would mean he's not a sith, no formal training or adherence to the sith ways, but there's not yet a name for what he actually is bc he hasn't yet formed the knights. And that's why he's like... eh I'm not anything in particular, but sith is the closest you can get so that's what a jedi like you'd call me if you were looking for a label.

[@pmaximus5659]

Great point and analysis

[@pvtcoll4473]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Qimir being Ren is the actual twist of his character.

[@pemberliegh]

@@pmaximus5659 thank you!

[@pemberliegh]

@@pvtcoll4473 I'm really hoping we're right. If they can land the plan, I think it could be so cool.

[@pvtcoll4473]

@@pemberliegh I can’t think of any other reason they’d play kylo’s theme twice. And his whole outfit looks very close to Ren from the comics.

[@dannybob42]

Like yeah it was obvious but obvious isn't always bad, and this show needed something satisfyingly brutal. Jecki dying hurts more than Yord did, that's two actresses who we know can do great choreography killed off.

[@HeatRaver]

But since Dafne Keen was under all that alien makeup, it's conceivable she could return in another role as someone else. 🤞 Or, maybe Jecki has a twin too! ;P

[@chase5436]

Daphne Keen was a perfect cast and I'm so disappointed she's gone. She really brought back that prequel era lightsaber style. She's an amazing stunt actor, and even mentioned she was inspired by how Anakin would fight in the prequels. She's awesome!

[@superbobomario8849]

I need to say this, a lot of reactors are mad when a Jedi do something not Jedi like, and as soon as they stop from doing something out of the code they are also mad. Im enjoying the show and it might be because im not used to take the Jedi as a religion, although it really is with a bunch of lies and hidding the truth from their own and the rest.

[@tyrellcorp2118]

6:00 “This is a pretty good fight.” Um, this series has the best Star Wars combat we have ever seen. Maybe even better coming?

[@BionicleGio22210]

Already best episode from the fight choreography ALONE. Qimir just dropping bodies and tanking a stun blast makes him best character

[@6-dpegasus425]

What we all wanted kylo ren to be

[@jamesmccarthy962]

@@6-dpegasus425 Fair point i had high hopes for Kylo in episode 7 and was still hopeful he was going to grow into power in the 8th or 9th film but nope

[@tylerbrown5526]

Y'all the mystery of the show is what happened 16 years ago. I know it wasn't super surprising that Qimir was The Master/Stranger BUT it was so well done that I don't care lol

[@MrNathansdad]

Does anyone (except Osha) still believe that Mae is the cause of her family's deaths? Can't wait to see what really happened.

[@CCFONESOL]

Mae has yet to deny any of oshas accusations

[@evanskan6326]

Mae may have started the fire but we all heard all the witches scream (almost at once) and we saw them dead before the fire even reached them. Maybe Sol did something bad... really bad (kudos to Jung-jae Lee.... His acting is great here!).

[@MrNathansdad]

@@CCFONESOL "The Jedi have brainwashed you!"

[@MrNathansdad]

@@evanskan6326 and really the only fire we saw Mae start was a couple pages with a candle

[@Nephetssings]

Sol obviously killed them all.

[@erickchristensen746]

Having the metal Cortosis being canon is fun. It has high energy absorption to the point that most blaster fire will be deflected and even a lightsaber gets temporarily shorted out. It's main backdraw though is how brittle as it is, as seen with Jecki smashed his helm a few time and it broke off of him so easily. So even a direct hit a few times from a lightsaber will break it but still short it out.(or a high enough caliber of a blaster fire can still break the metal just before being absorbed) It and Beskar(formerly referred to as Mandalorian Steel) are two of the most sought after materials in Star Wars, Beskar for just how crazy strong it is to deflect even a lightsaber, and Cortosis for it's absorbing properties.

[@StillSaber]

You have to remember that Sol is the only one that is left in that team, he couldn't carry all of them back to the ship and the fact that he was exhausted from the fight and is a bit disoriented.

[@path5657]

I'm actually really sad we've lost Jecki. She would've made an amazing Jedi.

[@BumpyBaluga]

My theory, Sol turns by the end of the season. Dude walks a fine line because his emotionality.

[@TheKrazyguy75]

My theory? Sol dies by the end of the season. He's the only Jedi left; therefore his death is the only way we can fulfill Mae killing a Jedi without a weapon. It will either be directly, while on the ship, or indirectly, by framing him for the murder of all the Jedi.

[@Nyx__]

"Look at Yord actually using his head" *immediately gets stuck in a headlock and neck snapped*

[@garrettwhite5943]

In response to the 'these guys kinda suck' comment let me remind you that the Jedi haven't fought someone with tactics like this in, at this point, eight hundred years. Not a single Jedi in the entire Order is properly prepared for this. Yoda having been born about a hundred years after the Sith went MIA easily explains why nobody could handle shit like this.

[@TBoring]

Yeah, but at the same time they know they’re going after a force sensitive assassin who’s spent the last 16 years training to kill Jedi. I would have recruited at least one combat specialist for the mission, particularly a master in Form III or Form V lightsaber combat just to be on the safe side.

[@Neurodivergent-j1f]

“Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you.” Bane, TDKR. If these were Jedi in the Old Republic era, it’s a whole different story.

[@ronkn1]

Also think about it like Ghost of Tsushima. The best Samurai at the start of the game get absolutely yoked because the Mongols don't fight by their rules.

[@GentleGiantJason]

The Jedi train from age 7? 8? They should have better saber skills than a guy who probably hasn’t been training as long or as much.

[@garrettwhite5943]

@@GentleGiantJason The Jedi basically train in ceremonial combat ever since the Sith went away. In fact in the High Republic era any of the forms used for dueling are viewed as archaic and barbaric practices.

[@RealBLAlley]

So far The Acolyte is more plot driven, and that's okay. We don't yet know which characters are the protagonists and which are the antagonists, and after this episode we don't even know who will survive, if any. Knowing who to care about is part of the mystery. It's a fine line to pull off, and so far it has mostly succeeded. As such I am still fully engaged in the story and eager to learn the back stories and motivations behind the remaining characters. Jaws comes to mind. It's all plot and the characters are mostly two-dimensional until the three men board the Orca. At that point it's completely character driven as they face their insecurities and fears and we (and each of them) learn who they really are.

[@Lans32485]

I'll give them props here, it was great to not only see Cortosis, but to see cortisis used correctly. It's not just lightsaber resistant, it actually causes them to short out.

[@jinxie712]

Not a Sith. The Stranger is more of a freelance. He said he had no name, but the Jedi would call him a Sith. Sol couldn't kill the Stranger in that moment or he would have fallen to the dark side. I wonder if this is one of those situations of the naive, good twin being susceptible to the dark side and the tough, bad one being the actual "good" one.

[@scotthewitt258]

Since the Jedi deal with the absolute that you are either Jedi or Sith, they would of course call him a Sith.

[@tbirdguy1]

But how did he get so powerful? He had to have gotten darkside knowledge from somewhere. Those abilities and Armor scream sith, who are virtually extinct. Its all so odd.

[@tbirdguy1]

​@@scotthewitt258it looks, talks, Walks, fights, and acts like a sith.

[@scotthewitt258]

@@tbirdguy1 Dealing in an absolute you are.

[@Echo-pz5mi]

@@tbirdguy1 dark jedi exist, also it's possible for him to be disgraced, remember how Maul no longer wore the title darth? that's because he was not a sith after Episode 1, savage opress and asaaj ventress had ties to the sith but weren't sith either, and more importantly, the inquisitors and kylo ren aren't sith

[@D_Ella1269]

Manny's arms ftw! 💜

[@x_davisx]

The helmet he’s using to short circuit the lightsabers, is made out cortosis a metal from legends

[@scottsampson2135]

I’m loving this series so far!

[@theapocalypticfish]

Love seeing cortosis in live action, those kills were brutal!

[@kafros13]

Thumbnail is 100% flavour win!

[@aprilshighfantasysoul5891]

I think this show is a lot more about concepts and just taking a look at a situation and peeling back the layers of the truth rather than a story about rooting for a particular character. I'm extremely interested in what the show is exploring and won't make a decision about the characters until all is said an done. I can get if people don't like that type of storytelling and really want a character to immediately love and latch onto, but for me, story is paramount and I'm ok not knowing where I stand on the characters. I think the show is doing exactly what it set out to do, but if it's not your jam, that's ok. Some stories are more about 'hey, look at this situation!' and just leave you with that where you have to think about everything without the writer directing you specifically one way or another rather than 'hey, look at how great these characters are, let's root for them to win!'

[@jasonmarbach]

Preach

[@atari1994]

"peeling back the layers of the truth rather than a story about rooting for a particular character." does not belong in Star Wars... it's a show about space wizards and magic... it does NOT have to make us think. It doesn't have to be "though provoking"... I don't care about "expanding out from good vs. evil"... we have films like that being made... why can't Star Wars JUST be about Good triumphing over evil?

[@jasonmarbach]

@@atari1994 That’s never what Star Wars was explicitly about, and I’m sorry to hear that that’s news to you.

[@jasonmarbach]

Know what doesn’t belong in Star Wars? Gatekeeping over what belongs in Star Wars. Do with that info what you will.

[@atari1994]

@@jasonmarbach lol.

[@Jbluez1]

“I just don’t care about these characters” Nailed it. The entire problem with this show.

[@MeteorLanguste11]

Fun fact Cortosis was made Canon in the Thrawn alliences were Thrawn, Padme and Anakin blow up a CIS factory building Cortosis B2 droids and Cortosis clone armor that palpatine wanted for order 66. Great video.

[@eawhite782]

It was made canon in A New Dawn, the first canon novel under Disney.

[@MeteorLanguste11]

@@eawhite782 Didnt know that thanks for the info

[@lady8jane]

It also shows up in the Doctor Aphra comics if I remember correctly. Good comics, can highly recommend them.

[@xXerickcg92xX]

“He’s pretending to be his twin. Brilliant” house of the dragon😂😂😂

[@stubbywankenobi1]

Jedi do not kill the defenseless. Only one time have we seen that happen. Anikin to Duku. Maybe we shouldn’t want Jedi to be more like Anikin

[@erikholmgren1477]

And Anakin regreted that immediately and said that he shouldn't have done that. That it was wrong, was against the everything that was jedi. So he did it out of anger, and was one of the stepingstones toward his more darker side.

[@erikholmgren1477]

I like this show, however, sol shouldn't have lowered his guard. He should have held him prisoner with his lightsaber until they could restrict him further. Thought that was just dumb. But no show is free from points where things are just dumb.

[@A21-EDITS21]

6:28 from the cheering to "oh no" this was the best episode yet!

[@StillSaber]

Even though Smilo Ren has taken on what like 6 Jedi with a whole manner of Lightsabers, but you got to admit, you have to wonder what he was saying when Jecki's Lightsaber reactivated after she activated Kalnocca's Lightsaber when he turned his head, he's probably saying "oh poodoo". 🤣

[@nerdwatch1017]

10:32 that’s what I said in a comment. I’d maybe understand Sol leaving the other no name Jedi. But both Yord and his own Padawan Jackie he should have definitely used the force to pick up Jackie. Though I understand why maybe he didn’t because the Sith or dark side user because it should either be Darth Tenebrous and his true apprentice Darth Plagues. Maybe this is one of Darth Tenebrous’s side apprentices who now has just exposed the threat of a powerful dark side user and the season finale could be Darth Tenebrous showing up to delete the problem as well as any remaining Jedi. Then if there’s a second season or better sequel series called Rule of 2. This being fully a true Sith show

[@pemberliegh]

I don't think he is a sith at all. He didn't claim that, just said that's what a jedi like Sol might call him. I think he's a rogue dark force user. They played Kylo Rens theme with him. I think he's going to start the knights of ren.

[@dimond360_]

This episode is getting 1 out of 1 good setups for a Fix It episode.

[@clonewarvet4277]

Mae: “We’re family” *Osha chooses to arrest her* *Mae knocks her out, steals her clothes, and then leaves her sister on the planet* Make it make sense. 😭 At the very least have Mae just take Osha with her and explain everything

[@atari1994]

There are the famous words... MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!!

[@catswithlasers]

Interesting note, but when The Stranger goes over to Osha, the Kylo Ren theme plays. And it was so cool seeing cortosis in live-action.

[@bryanfoster362]

Qimir is the Apprentice, but the Master is… Bazil! 😊

[@simonssays78]

Union: what do you want? Confederacy: Freedom, freedom to wield my power however I want over my slaves

[@tbirdguy1]

Yup, i thought i heard that argument somewhere. Its very freedom for me but not for thee rhetoric.

[@laxmaster7262]

I think it’s very important to note that Qimir doesn’t identify as a Sith, he states that the Jedi may jump to conclusions and call him one

[@Greenhawk4]

Actually they confirmed he is one but its confusing because as you mentioned that line is him saying he isn't one.

[@coolbreeze1138]

​@@Greenhawk4Also the fact that when he is standing over Osha at the end Kylo's theme plays so I don't know what they are getting at yet.

[@Greenhawk4]

@@coolbreeze1138 yeah I don't really understand what they are doing with him.

[@lion4611]

@pReview’d there’s a theory on episode 3 during the ceremony behind the mother witches is a mysterious sith figure in black robes not showing his face at all could be pleagus or his master or smilo ren in robe

[@HeatRaver]

The Nightsisters (which this cult is presumed to be) are not affiliated with, nor subject to, the Sith, especially a male.

[@lion4611]

I see and I think smilo ren is taught by a witch cuse without the cloak you can see the same symbol on his back like the envelope mae burned and took from osha

[@Greenhawk4]

@@HeatRaver its clearly not nightsisters

[@voiceinthenoise3357]

I don't feel emotionally invested in the twins either, but I do care about Sol. He's as much the main character as Osha. Also, I was depending on you to joke about her torch being a lightsaber, and you did not disappoint 😄

[@jasonmarbach]

Been so anxious to watch what I consider a premier 30 minutes of Star Wars content with y’all, but the description here and on patreon has me so, so nervous that y’all aren’t going to like it 😬

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Jay! Thanks, Adam! 🌑 The energy absorption metal *cortosis* has been canonized for a while (in a novel), but it's the first time to see it in live-action.

[@danychan2149]

I don't care about Osha and Mae, but I care about Sol--I'm going to continue watching to see what happens to Sol #SolPatrol

[@Solo13508]

Adam's timing is so perfect. "Oh yeah Jecki, OH NO JECKI?!" "Look at Yord actually using his head, NOOOOO"

[@seanperrydj]

On KZbin there’s presenters that have nice avatars polite kind good vibes and there are the anger sensational everything gets harsh critism rabble rousers for clicks . Your show is of the kind and cool vibes , so far your show is the only show on the kind side that isn’t afraid to critique this show with heart and not mean hearted spirit !! Thanks for being great !!

[@pReviewd]

That’s very kind, thank you.

[@BernardManansala]

In the EU the Sith's helmet and vambrace are made of a metal called Cortosis. It's unique property is its ability to short out lightsabers.

[@BernardManansala]

Also notice that the saber hilts are girthier in the Galactic Republic days.

[@MrRosebeing]

Darth Zippy was controlling his lightsaber with the force when he threw it, therefore it travelled horizontally. There was no way it could have travelled upwards anyway, because there was no vertical force applied to it, even if he had just thrown it.

[@ciscoak9074]

The dual personality of "sith" is pretty fascinating. Palagues was a banker, tenebrous was a world class ship designer, palaptine was.....well palpatine, and now goofy "tag along" buddy qimir was..just a completely different dude in terms of his personality and the aura he gives off when he isn't "masking" his vibe and HOEING EVERYBODY!! he literally killed almost everyone by himself lol..they DEFINITELY did a great job hiding this dudes YOLKED ass tricep/biceps!!!

[@Greenhawk4]

palpatine was the senate lol

[@Elnont]

Yeaaaaaaah Sol is defo falling. He’s clearly a pretty emotional Jedi but the way he lost his temper plus the sort of dissociative expression he had at the end when he and Mae left just confirms it to me.

[@DASmovingTARGET]

I think the big problem for me isn't so much that it's hard to care about Osha and Mae, but that it's far easier to care about the side characters. I felt something similar in Ahsoka watching Baylan's and Shin's story arc. I think the writers did a great job fleshing out Yord and Jecki by setting up *the potential* they both had. You can see throughout the episodes that Yord is prideful and stubbornly by-the-book but has some wisdom building, and you can see that the encounter with Qimir has shaken him and is leaving questions about how effective "just following orders" can be. By this episode, he decides to go back and fight, and you can easily imagine his future as a Jedi Knight - wise, fair, but not above bending the rules if it protects innocents. In that same vein, Jecki is shown to be practical, empathetic, and open-minded. Add her fight scenes, where she stands up to Qimir alone then later in flowing sync with Sol, and you can easily see Jecki becoming an absolute powerhouse of a Knight had she lived. Buuuut...they're not the main characters. Not that there isn't anything to appreciate. I do like that even after leaving the Order, Osha believes in the promise of the Jedi and doesn't really harbor ill will towards them. It would've been easy to have her bitter and distrustful, only following the Jedi investigation out of curiosity. I (kind of) appreciate Mae's head being all over the place - committed to revenge, deciding to turn herself in when she reaches Kelnacca, going back to deception after the fight. After all, she's basically a child soldier, almost certainly picked up by Qimir right after the fire and raised solely to be a Sith acolyte. But virtually everything important about them, the reason we should care, has either been hidden from us or embedded in a backstory that the show has explicitly told us is only a partial picture. Which also does a major disservice to Sol. I really like what we see of him, but the shadiness of the flashbacks make me not want to connect with him in case he turns out to have murdered the coven or something. Regardless, I'm going to finish the show. It's not unlikable. But unless the show starts answering questions as soon as the next episode starts, I think I'm mainly watching this to see what the impact on the greater SW lore is going to be. Sorry for the long comment, but I feel like I'm really seeing eye-to-eye to this reaction and I appreciate you guys.

[@Laserschwert1981]

I wholeheartedly agree with Jay here: The problem with this show and a supposedly shocking episode like this is, I don't care for any of the characters. Neither Yord or even Jecki have been give enough of a characterization or background that I rooted for them. The action and fight choreography in this episode is outstanding, and fresh ideas like the Cortosis armor make this the best and most original Jedi fight in a LONG time. But it all doesn't matter when the characters are so thinly portrait. Duel of Fates had so much more of an impact, because it was about two characters that we actually cared about and their relationship, and this show simply doesn't have that.

[@marshsundeen]

I reay like this show. This episode was awesome. RIP Jecki, Yord and Red Shirts. I think Qimir wanted Osha. She Was able to defeat him without a weapon (though not fatally).

[@polterkat]

I still stand by the fact that in the first episode, having us follow a character who we just saw kill Carrie-Anne Moss in the intro to then pretending they're just nice and sweet and innocent.... only to then reveal at the end that it's an 'evil twin'-situation..........is just................. You said you don't care about either Mae or Osha and I'm looking at this from a screenwriting standpoint like idk how you CAN care about either of them. Or ANY of the characters. We've been given no concrete information about them. And for the record......... What's the plot of this show? Can anyone summarize it for me in a sentence? What's the pitch? Where are we going? What has been happening every episode and why is it important?These are basic fundamental questions a show should be able to answer and this one just..... DOESN'T. It seems like the whole story is hinging around several big mysteries but if everything is a mystery then nothing is worth investing in for the audience. We won't risk emotions on something we're unsure of. I'm not hating on this show I am just perpetually wondering what the heck I'm watching and waiting for it to make some sort of sense

[@atari1994]

A-FREAKIN-MEN!

[@PTJarman]

The creators of this show get to do whatever they think is best for this series, but man did I want to see another series or even a feature film with Jecki, Yord, Sol, Kelnacca and Master Indara progressing from this story, not seeing them in flashbacks to a year or two ago knowing they will end up dead. And agree with the 'I don't care about any of these characters' statement. Whatever big reveal they have in store for us at the end of this series will likely fall short because of the lack of character development for the twins. They've liked each other, they've hated each other, Mae was going to turn herself in, Osha hasn't really done anything. Just feels like the writers, etc. have invested way too much in the big mystery to be unveiled. We'll see.

[@eileenhinman1148]

10/10 thumbnail caption

[@TheUberlisa]

The spinning lightsaber at 2:33 freaked me out! I thought he was chasing her down while waving it from side to side really fast. Then my brain made a weird Pennywise connection. I didn't realize it was the helmet causing the lightsabers to short out. I thought it was something Qimir was doing. D'oh.

[@VeritasMCMXCII]

Such a crazy coincidence for Adam to have the guns out as well, which IS a coincidence cause it’s been a hot summer lol 😂 the arms and pit shots are gold. If only we could see the piggies 😂😂😂

[@soundsurgen3293]

Adam I am totally and completely with you on that as well.... Can't read my mind Charles, my war trophy.

[@Julia-qv5ls]

The bug scene was sooo Quantum Mania but….Osha “killed” Qimir without a weapon. The thing Mae couldn’t do. And I really liked Manny’s “bad guy” portrayal. So bummed he’s going to be wasted here.

[@writingref]

Adam: "Hey! Jeki's holding her own!" Two minutes later .....

[@veil1792]

*The big reveal was a pathetic excuse for killing Jekie the only Jedi Padawan who's believeable.*

[@romanr.4821]

I would have watched a show just with her becoming a master

[@dimond360_]

I think I've figured out the reason why Mae and Osha don't particularly work in this show and why you guys along with most of us watching are struggling to care for them. They both fall into the same issue as Reva from the Obi Wan show in that we are given a decent enough intro to them but the writers continue to pile on more and more lore and backstory onto these characters to the point where it starts to get messy as opposed to giving these raw character moments early on or simply learning who they are. By the time we get to those scenes, there's not much to salvage. Just my take on the matter and I appreciate all of yours.

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

never could like jecki, mostly because her species is so far from what jedi should be that she doesnt make sense, her species literally live for the pleasure of emotions, they love nothing more than singing, dancing, and having fun, joy and pleasure literally guides there species

[@daurydavis3983]

Dafne Keen actually praised Leslye for not being afraid to kill off main characters/ favorite characters

[@zshakur]

Lightsabers have no weight so you're technically just throwing the hilt. That's why the saber doesn't tumble that way

[@snowhavenz]

dual saber penetration into a dual decapitation is crazy work

[@snowhavenz]

also Qimir is definitely either part of or the beginning of the Knights of Ren count my words

[@glamourweaver]

Yes it is very intentional that the Jedi in this era are largely using form Six, which is the least martial oriented form, focused on training moderation. It’s a good basic form for scholar and diplomat focused Jedi, but as the general default for the Order it has left them RADICALLY unprepared for combat against a Sith warrior who’s mastered form seven’s aggressive offense.

[@usernameunknown69]

I’m thinking Qimir is the ACTUAL Acolyte

[@AuntieL_ATL]

Same. There is a main master.

[@Tuleinaarii]

He's the Apprentice. He has a Master. Mae was supposed to be their Acolyte, like Ventress was to Dooku.

[@aricaj.3006]

Lmao the title in the thumbnail 😂 Darth Jason Mendoza has a LOT to answer for

[@ShadowTrailMedia]

"Anytime I have a problem... neck snap! Now I have a brand new problem!"

[@franticrage73]

Someone brought the guns today.

[@scottboa2738]

There may be a little problem, which I just noticed. At 3:20 into episode 5, Master Ki-Adi-Mundi dies, as Qimir impales him from behind. However, this may not be a problem IF Master Ki-Adi-Mundi from The Phantom Menace was named after his father. What do you think?

[@seanconnolly5754]

The whole show should have been about jeki and her struggle between the light and the dark, padawon to both Jedi and sith.

[@sinfulfrolic886]

Jay's disinterest at the end is similar to his reaction when watching Wonka's trailer last year.

[@Psycho69-YT]

His brutality reminds me of sith of old and if you notice they canonized a rare mineral from the Old Republic that can deactivate lightsabers

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

It Took too long but now this show is Cookin.

[@Dec4AllTimeAlways]

Jason Mendoza has changed.

[@Panacamanana]

Sure, the identity of the unknown force user wasn't a huge secret as they were pretty on the nose about it. But they treated the reveal of Palpatine being the Emperor with the same level of sincere. There will be kids watching this show who won't piece those clues together and it'll be the biggest revelation.

[@jbelisle1986]

The reason she stopped Sol, is because he was about to strike him down in amger which would pull.him to the dark side.