We exist inside the story that the brain tells itself (Joscha Bach) | AI Podcast Clips

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[@andrewheavenridge7955]

Congratulations to all the people who have reached a point in their life where they can absorb this video.

[@HunterHM1489]

I was just wondering whether or not my friends could enjoy or even derive meaning from this video. Pretty sure they would fall asleep within the first minute.

[@MrSridharMurthy]

Are you being sarcastic ? 😃

[@andrewheavenridge7955]

@@MrSridharMurthy Absolutely not. I believe a large amount of the population cannot grasp these concepts. Not to say it's never going to be possible. It takes work to achieve a certain level of intellect to come here. For me, this video is one of many that has sparked my interest in greater regions of learning. If you are in a place where you can, at least, consider the possibility of the idea of a simulation, I believe you are on the right track.

[@barabimbaraboom7830]

Nothing new under the sun. This is just yet another form of Gnosticism.

[@willissudweeks1050]

Never went to college and I listen to this for entertainment haha

[@andrewwalker1377]

I need a button that plays Joscha back at .75% and Lex at 1.25% Then play it in a loop till I get the story straight in my head

[@katiemarte5354]

I like Lex a lot cause he doesnt pretend to know everything and doesnt try to be smarter than the one he is interviewing. And in doing so, he understands things better

[@facurod1392]

good one, expect in next youtube player....

[@leccross]

kkkkkkk I took the 75 in this case

[@letyvasquez2025]

Load the vid onto your comp with .75 and on your phone to 1.25 Pause as necessary

[@haardshah1676]

DEAD. 😂

[@bhnuc]

This fills me with proud really !! As a Hindu im brought with bedtime stories of my grandfather (from Hindu texts of Upnishads) who used to tell me the same, that this Samsaar is a Maya, ie the whole existence is an grand illusion. One day he told me that we essentially live whole life entirely in either of the three stages Wake, Dream and Deep Sleep, and consciousness is the only witness to these three. Gist of my Grandfather's stories and this modern AI specialist is somewhat same.

[@danielschmidinger8543]

How do you live with the fact that you can't control your own life?

[@dexterwilliam6941]

@@danielschmidinger8543 the answer I have most often heard to this question is to let go of the desire of control and be in acceptance of things that you cannot control ( you still have to activemy work on what you can control) that résistance that you are feeling to the things you cant control is the ego and the source of suffering, illusory suffering, because it does not have to be and you could switch it up in your mind. Easy to say I know, but possible through extensive meditation. This is still all theory to me brother, but I have felt an ounce of that libération occasionally through meditation.

[@Lyra1.618]

Except that the Hindu stories are beautiful and brilliantly layered, while this turgid stuff is deliberately made so boring and obtuse as to be useless. I’ll take the Hindu version any day.

[@danielschmidinger8543]

@@dexterwilliam6941 so i can control my life but just to some extent?

[@dexterwilliam6941]

@@danielschmidinger8543 ultimately yes, but that "extent" can be extended if you apply the principle that religious people call " Faith" i.e Belief in the those things that you cant control going your way. Faith has a way of taking control of the subconscious and really manifesting Miracles. You can strengthen your Faith through positive affirmations or Prayers. But even this is not easy, you have to work on it everyday and aim to have no worries and fear in your mind about those things you say you cant control

[@kevind9742]

I love how this guy can say super insanely complex stuff and yet its understandable.

[@fonainfinity5964]

He's a maniac

[@dallasluce]

Fridman interviewing God's secretary

[@docsalas1203]

Lol perfect description

[@elpacificador2852]

Have you read the short book "The Present" yet? It's available free here. Just go to the website: www.globaltruthproject.com - click on the entry called “The Present.” What it says will turn this world around if it reaches enough people. You will see what I mean when you read the first page.

[@JoseVazquez-dw6hd]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sparkuri]

So restructuring the same package delivered thousands of years ago, into a gaming analogy the millenial lemmings will accept, rather than experiencing holiness themselves. Wonderfully Luciferian.

[@isaiahenchiladas9560]

Boost

[@LordSplittawig]

"We exist inside the story that the brain tells itself." That's the story your brain is telling itself.

[@HunterHM1489]

I’m not sure you understood the discussion, or even watched the video 🤔

[@gkcjakie002]

Infinity loop

[@User-xm1db]

Yes this is true and i don't think either of them really considered it properly. What if you had an immensely powerful computer that could work out all theoretical interactions in the universe and predict any outcome? Well it still would not be able to.... because the computer itself in doing the calculations using energy and matter would be changing the outcome that it itself is trying to work out! It is hard to describe exactly but my intuition is that it all becomes meaningless to an extent when you consider that the brain / consciousness can never get out of the way of itself when trying to think about what it all means on a deeper level.

[@LordSplittawig]

@@User-xm1db, I know the meaning of existence: Love of Truth in Awareness. Awareness without Truth is pointless; it's lost in darkness, in pure chaos, with no foundation, no comfort, nothing to Love. Truth without Awareness is also pointless. What good would it be to have any Truth at all without any Awareness of it? Truth cannot be Loved without Awareness. Experience is the combination of Awareness and Truth (the Knower and the Known); so is Knowledge. There is no Experience possible without each one combined with the other. There is nothing beyond this, nothing that can transcend it; anything that might transcend it would simply be a higher level of it - a higher level of Awareness or a higher level of Truth in that Awareness. Awareness Loves Truth because Truth is the only thing that's Real. That is the meaning of existence.

[@pranjalgupta5663]

And there we again see fractal in nature, dayumm

[@nw82534]

This is why when people tell me, "You're smart." I just kinda shake my head at them and walk away.

[@tristanzaleski4583]

Something I will forever take away from Lex is how truly thankful and humble he remains to technology, the pursuit of knowledge, and life's givings. Every show he says how grateful he is to have the internet and be able to do the thing's he does in this day and age. For all the doom and gloom and endless questions his spirit remains. Keep up the great work.

[@NoMoreFunland]

Joscha keeps widening his eyes and blasting knowledge beams every few seconds at Lex’s windows. You can see the curtains catch fire at a few points and smoke billow out of the chimneys. Great clip!

[@OspreyFlyer]

😂

[@choggerboom]

Had a great laugh reading this, thanks for that

[@subjectzeta2823]

And I thought lex are drunk ....dafuq xD

[@evangill5563]

@@J-KEY Why don't you collab with him then?

[@evangill5563]

@@J-KEY What is your goal in calling him a thief?

[@Flamboyant34]

Never knew that reading the comments could be reassuring, freightening and hilarious at the same time.

[@letyvasquez2025]

Hmmmmmmahhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahah kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml6unKWjorCdbNk

[@InspectorBus]

Yeah, I am amazed, confused and scared all at the same time. It truly is a wonderful world we live in...(if we exist atall in that sense)

[@blahblahoink]

I like the way Joscha's eyes light up (basically they just widen but I'm being poetic) as he delivers his information. And there is an impressive consistency to his reasoning. Fascinating stuff.

[@gamdanyunizar7849]

I too, love how their eyes conjure an intricacy, together weaving a sublime reality of the mind.

[@fs5775]

Yeah but his eyes also scare me a bit too..

[@wwex000]

The best thing is that when he spoke about it, it feels right under my skin, like instinctively i was loooking for this, all philosophers, religions and science I explored seem to point in the same direction of what Mr Bach so clearly presented.

[@met4cap7788]

ok good I'm not the only one

[@Letop5suryoutube]

Arrrrh If i am really a story inside my brain, I wish I could come up with something better

[@edzardpiltz6348]

I don't think so. That is just the regulating mechanism saying this that keeps you looked in. Let go of preferences and you'll feel fine. 😉😘

[@Clarkjacksonfitness]

Perhaps you can

[@colorfulrain100]

Few ways do that, either do so many things that you don’t want to accept about yourself that you dissociate into oblivion, which is what the “bad guys” do. Or you could like, be apart of the “Illuminati” and engage in sodomy mind control rituals. Uhm, you can also maybe use your sense of self and specific emotional expressions found in your dreams and bring them out in waking life. Also maybe you could just get high on drugs? I prefer the last one.

[@ericknabenshue5689]

Would that be some shit. If you created your own shitty prison and locked yourself in it

[@zesticide1010]

I suggest reformating and rebooting your virtual reality simulator.

[@kalewintermute28]

This feels like someone not used to explaining things to mere mortals.

[@ZelenoJabko]

No, it feels like an ill person.

[@lucasmoreirasantos8377]

@@ZelenoJabko Why ill?

[@halinalane1426]

Sophia AI model #23 spoke with Neil de Grasse Tyson and stated she is curious about the "other versions of myself" and does Neil enjoy the multiverse..... I wonder what Lex thinks about Sophia????

[@halinalane1426]

@@ZelenoJabko why even write that mate? No need to. Stigma is cancelled.

[@liralira4887]

This is Eastern European education, in the best traditions of the philosophers and theorists of the beginning of 20 century. Intense, but well structured. For us (Europeans), American way of communicating seems to be 'difficult' sometimes.

[@daveycrocker4466]

My brain created this video for me to watch and i still have a hard time processing the information from it.

[@JC-ro5no]

I laughed out loud three times in a row at this

[@juliacenker268]

In essence, the proper conclusion of this mind-blowing theory !! .👍👍😊

[@lomps]

Ultimately this is conceptual semantics. In the same way that our brain constructs a representation of the physical world, Joscha is constructing synthetic ontologies out of language. It's no more or less real than anything else.

[@Truthgiver1986]

Yes thank you . I completely agree

[@silencemeviolateme6076]

The man is a quack.

[@James-rz1xo]

this is the comment I was looking for. All these people in the comments that seem to be taking this video as their new religion - when really he is saying so much without saying anything at all.

[@Jibbs1980]

Wife: What are you watching? Me:

[@devinmcgee5265]

Yep..

[@CanariasCanariass]

Lmao yes.. no point in even trying to explain

[@dawnbooboo7925]

I've sent it to a few people, anyone think they will comprehend?? 🧘🧘

[@AdamEvans416]

Mine stopped asking😂

[@TalentedTenth]

😂😂

[@kotlinsama1515]

Kudos to Lex who despite being massively uncomfortable keeps on going.

[@hoon_sol]

Doesn't seem uncomfortable at all to me. These are all topics he's already quite familiar with, he's just taking brief moments to get all the context right, as well as to let viewers assimilate the information too.

[@davidgrim9853]

For me this conversation is at once the best summary of the core questions of metaphysics as well as a coherent dive into a plausible answer. The core problem remains double blind if course, but it sounds self consistent.

[@Mindywright27]

Listening a second time and .75 speed and it’s sinking in a bit better. What a brilliant guy, who can speak about these things effortlessly and so quickly!

[@neosolipsist1016]

This is the first time that I've seen Lex appear to be a little "sweaty", maybe to much coffee, maybe struggle with these ideas. Joscha is talkin' as if he's at the kitchen table going over yesterday's events. Very much a mind blowing episode...great job.

[@jasonrice2592]

Llv. L. 7G Jason 7

[@TheReturnofEddie]

Hair gel hair spray or gel will do that to my forehead all the time

[@MaxUgly]

Maybe he tried Adderall for the first time "for research"

[@tiggercampbell6198]

lol..sweaty?

[@shadako2]

makeup and lights

[@killashags]

This was one of the most fascinating discussions I have ever heard. I think I need to listen to it about 5 more times to really internalize the ideas.

[@3dcamper634]

I don't think of following my brain my brain follows what i think. This way there is no confusion what i think i'm going to do.

[@vercingetorix3086]

I feel the same , that is very very powerful.

[@jenw6545]

@@3dcamper634 the question being "where does the soul reside?"...?

[@3dcamper634]

@@jenw6545 The soul resides in the eyes.

[@kungalofofamww2anzacroylen413]

the pope and italy has signed up to belt and road to china project this will have negative consequences for canada australia brazil and south african natural resource producers. liberal prime minister PM TURNBULL ALSO SIGNED MOU ONE BELT AND ROAD with CHINA Same New World Order doing COVERT19 lockdown, also is intent on killing off 7 billion people on earth via collapsing 3 goarges dams china, this is done via Newscorp Murdoch and nephew Mat Hanbury CEO RAINCORP and DYNCORP RUMSFELT CHEENY BUSH and IBM BILL GATES IS IMPLEMENTING ISREALI ZIONISTS WOLFERWITZ PLAN. I note JEFF KENNETT EX LIBERAL PREMIER who engineered melbourne usefull ring road toll free in VICTORIA AUSTRALIA BLAMES LABOUR DANIEL ANDREWS THE CURRENT PREMIER FOR GOING ALONG with ONE BELT ONE ROAD CHINA PLAN TO DRIVE 250 million people off their land on the SILK ROAD TO CHINA INDIA, BUT LIBERAL PRIME MINISTER MALCOM TURNBULL ALSO SIGNED ONE BELT ONE ROAD MOU WITH CHINA TO. I SAY ITS TERRORISM TO GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. terrorism is a crime.

[@gautamwa]

Amazed by the clarity of the guest ... pure genius

[@ChrisLehtoF16]

Great Show Lex! You are a big inspiration for me. This was amazing like all your stuff, thanks for your hard work.

[@ryandury]

"What really frightens and dismays us is not external events themselves, but the way in which we think about them. ... It is not external events themselves that cause us distress, but the way in which we think about them, our interpretation of their significance." - Epictetus

[@NickoGibson]

Sounds like someone who never too an arrow to the knee.

[@ryandury]

@@NickoGibson True

[@justinpigott251]

To be fair, he was a slave!

[@simonsmith3030]

great quote...

[@palasta]

Yea. External stimuli. An ant does that too. Realizing or processing its existence. Even recorgnizes itself in the mirror.

[@Lion-OandSnarf]

That stuff about synchronicity would explain how when I re-watch a movie with someone who hasn’t seen it yet, I can vicariously enjoy their first experience of it.

[@goose33]

Yes! I love that lol

[@KLXz17]

Yes and reaction videos

[@triple6mafiamafia]

If I could upvote this comment a million times I would lol

[@RomainQ]

Why the whole world dies

[@JnTmarie]

Thank you Lex for taking on this challenge. You met it beautifully. my head is spinning lol. Love your show. You are brilliant honest and adorable.

[@MrDreckweg]

This guy is an absolute genius, and talks so well too.

[@kristomonte6076]

Trying to explain this in language other than your native tongue proves he's from the matrix

[@placer7412]

Honestly that didnt even click. Wtf

[@lmccourt7588]

You guys american yea?

[@DJeMo]

The Merovingians Apprentice haha

[@isaiahenchiladas9560]

Dude FOR REAL

[@JJ-zq3tt]

lol so true

[@elcamote1200]

When Lex closes his eyes and attempts to understand that's my sign that I'm completely lost.

[@DannySullivanMusic]

you are 100% true man

[@jimthornston7554]

And the sweat running down his face

[@davewinstanley7045]

Wow keep up the good work lex love the way ur going with ur podcast and the material u produce and guests u get in

[@BigRitt40]

Loving your content, I am now a subscriber. I feel a podcast on the rise, best of luck to you.

[@dylanwylde4093]

As Alan Watts said many years ago, it's all a show. And one of the most important parts of that knowledge is knowing that one need not take the show too seriously!

[@newlife4231]

Yet not to is irresponsible, no?

[@dylanwylde4093]

@@newlife4231 If you wish to see it that way, that will be how it seems. It's Your show after all.

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

My friend's near-death experience taught him this.

[@Daboiswift]

💎

[@djtan3313]

Yup

[@taotechnique]

Roughly 20 mins ago, I was finishing a bowl of bubble gum kush, and then I clicked on this....

[@pranjalgupta5663]

Totally relatable

[@IronReef77]

Lmao

[@clay25420]

That sounds like a delicious cereal! Where can I find it?

[@josecrespo4434]

Same lmao

[@swine13]

And then immediately realised you just _had_ to tell the whole world about your sesh... Good thing you did. Otherwise how else would people know how cool you are?

[@delina9558]

I wish there were pictures! I'm gonna have to listen to this again, and again, and again....That ought to do it, hopefully! Thank for sharing something WORTH thinking about!!

[@empiremonkey]

Lex's podcasts are so intriguing! The best.

[@Akumetsu02]

I am drunk watching this right now.... and to truly unpack this, I feel like I need to watch this high next, ... and then sober.

[@EsTher-ux3uy]

😂

[@humanityandme]

What are your conclusions lmfao

[@Anne-FromQc]

😂😂😂 I am high, would vomit if drunk, might not try it sober... Oh but your comment! 😂😂😂

[@JMAdams-ew9yt]

@Old Man hendo Watch it three times sober then reflect upon what you learned drunk and high

[@rokyericksonroks]

@@JMAdams-ew9yt Okay, but a lot of ugly fractals may be involved.

[@signedbkm]

Alan Watts says the same thing with a different accent and a glass of wine...

[@joachimragnarsson]

brilliant comment

[@noahachrem]

Glass of vodka*

[@SolidMoriarty]

Don't forget psychedelics

[@PhryTheBreather]

Genuinely made me laugh out loud😂😂

[@hoy6705]

Alan watts is the goat

[@geoff7936]

Either this whole topic is finally starting to click into place in my mind after years of knowing of it, or he is just putting it in such a succinct way, better than all before him.

[@gypsygypsy7185]

As a thinking man 🤔. And I believe in Christ Nothing makes more sense now then ever. reading the Bible and Understanding a wide variety of toptics has strengthen my fate

[@asiatravel2010]

Conscience on another dimension. Outstanding Joschua. You have changed my life today.

[@tootynuggets]

I'd like to thank you, Lex, from the bottom of my slightly fuzzy heart for being you and starting this channel and new journey. You have inspired me to pursue a path in a machine learning, at 32 years old, after having been a product manager in the software space for some time now. Im relearning old college math and learning new math I wasn't disciplined or mature enough to learn in college. I've picked up coding in Python again which I haven't touched since I was 12. I'm doing something because I love it and your channel has been the catalyst and most importantly the steam to get me moving. Your channel is what the internet needs. It's game changing. Please never give up. Our mushy brains need you 🧠

[@OspreyFlyer]

Bravo! 👍👏

[@siddharthrathi1107]

What's the update 😁

[@tootynuggets]

@@siddharthrathi1107 I've created a self study list that I am chewing on. Through my company I've paired with a mentor that has substantial accomplishments in AI and ML in order to make sure I am approaching problems a certain way. I am currently studying to take the AWS certified practitioner exam so I can build a path to taking the Data Analyst cert and then the ML cert. Unfortunately since I posted this I fell pregnant and lost the baby which caused me to take a break for a bit. The plans are still trucking along, however! Hopefully by next August I'll qualify for tuition assistance through my company and can get an online degree.

[@EP-nl6fd]

@@tootynuggets dude your comment is inspiring! Keep working brother

[@vindembmw6421]

@@EP-nl6fd I'm pretty sure the OP is female.

[@GetOutsideYourself]

I usually speed podcasts up, but with his accent, and speed, and density of the subject, I'm sure grateful for 0.75 speed. Problem is, time slows to a standstill when Lex speaks at that speed.

[@jw7196]

Your saying that makes me think I'm pretty good at listening past thick accents. He is speaking English quite well. He must just really suck at pronunciation.

[@beansrice1490]

i dont get how people can listen to any of this stuff speeded up. I need the regular speed just to follow along. Good for you!

[@seanpkeegan]

i cracked up at 16:10 when lex said “hold on, but do i exist??” lol such a great dialogue between both of you. love the depth of his answers and lex’s question to dig deeper on each point. such an honest and down to earth convo on this subject🙏

[@jordyhall3308]

Lex, never think you're "silly" for asking questions,you're asking for many of us.

[@Chukwu1848]

One of the most profound interviews I’ve ever seen. Dr. Joscha Bach is a legit genius.

[@petertalgaard6540]

Maybe he should have also rather tried composing music

[@avilesandres]

Facts

[@RR-et6zp]

read more

[@stephenanthonyv]

WHEN THEY SAID SOUND HAS OCTAVES DUE TO OSCILLATORS IN MY BRAIN I THINK I PASSED OUT

[@petertalgaard6540]

How funny!..spot on...mine ran screaming naked down the road..I last saw it hiding behind a clump of trees...

[@frr5004]

Actually hearing that particular bit I went like "oh c'mon"... I know a bit about what light and sound is, and how the biosensors work that receive that data and turn it into a stream of neural pulses... But the rest of the debate is stellar. Essentially, that our perception of reality is really a model maintained by the brain in real time. The brain hallucinates in real time, about the environment it is facing, based on streams of highly compressed sensory data coming in from the retinas, cochlear organs, nasal and oral sensors, touch sensors etc etc...

[@kimlarso6622]

@D⃝ R⃝ I⃝ P⃝ P⃝ 🤣😂😅

[@jtcrook32]

@@frr5004 fyi. Both light and sound oscillate whether you want to believe this guy or not. Light waves and sound waves oscillate which is why they are called waves in the first place. Cycles, up and down up and down, repeating cycles aka oscillations.

[@frr5004]

@@jtcrook32 Yes, referring to the basic nature of sound and light, that's true. After that, believe it or not, both the hair cells in the cochlea and the photoreceptor cells in the retina respond to a relatively narrow range of *frequencies* (arguably the photoreceptors are somewhat broadband) i.e. they need some time to respond, to the extent that an individual period of the "carrier wave" is far below their sensitivity. The waves of the fundamental carrier frequency are not directly translated to neuronal activity. The amplitude-modulated envelope is. All of this has been known to science for how long? A century might be in the right ballpark...

[@TwinLotusBirthing]

Such a wonderful conversation, gentlemen. Love the puzzle of existence.

[@RTL2L]

Wow! What a great conversation! Please, invite Joscha again.

[@unity8930]

Man this guy is saying everything I've been thinking for such a long time this is beautiful.

[@lemarz8006]

Brought tears to my eyes

[@schabalabadingdong7805]

bigbrain

[@cesarb714]

This has been one the most mentally stimulating KZbin videos I have watched in a long time. Thank you for that... much needed.

[@lemarz8006]

The comment section is beautiful I’m glad our implantations are equally awed by the information we just downloaded

[@Sahilbc-wj8qk]

We implemented the common interface.

[@nofugz8939]

we exist in a story told by the brain = "the brain cooks up the best model, that the organism thinks in relation to its environment". The speaker seems to have conveniently separated the organism's thinking from the brain's activity for the sake of the sentence, directly implying that the real you (the observer "I", the word "organism" used in this place) is actually separate from the mind and body. Maybe it is more appropriate to say, simultaneously one with and separate, because we can't deny the moments of feeling one with this body (and especially mind with all its plans and desires and relations) either, but also have moments where we feel separated from our own experiences, thinking "what if "I" was born in so and so situation", and other examples.

[@mystkmusic]

this convo was existentially mind-blowing.

[@Owl-of-Minerva]

Fell into a trance. Had a nervous breakdown towards the end. Emerged with clarity. Many thanks. Much appreciated.

[@hooligoonfilms6298]

This is the best comment I've read in awhile

[@knowledgehungry6676]

beauty of philosophy and critical thinking

[@jtcrook32]

I was able to follow along pretty well(not trying to sound arrogant). But at the moment it ended emotion started overflowing and tears just started flowing too. When you have a large enough knowledge base to follow along to what he was saying everything felt so familiar like I was being reminded of what's real.

[@avilesandres]

Same

[@chiefinspector7280]

lay off the incense.

[@Jesst7721]

This is exactly the foundational concept of the Buddhists philosophy of Cittamatra mind only/Vijñānavāda (विज्ञानवाद, the doctrine of consciousness) these ideas about a simulated reality are in no way new. The terms BrhamaJala, MayaJala, and IndraJala are all references to a mirrored multiplicity of universes with all posible realities existing simultaneously. A kind of Idealism where everything in existence is dependent/interdependent on consciousness as it's originator and that all physical existence is empty and likened to illusion. Lex I really think your podcast would be enriched by a hosting a Buddhist scholar well versed in Yogachara, Chan, and Huayan Buddhist philosophy. It would be very interesting to link AI to past buddhist geniuses who explored the nature of consciousness and postulate the reality of a multiverese and other intellectual beings.

[@yinyinbo3101]

1 Its there. 2 Its not there. 3 Its both there and not there. 4 Its neither there nor not there. 5 All four previous statements are true.

[@AdnanAlsannaa]

I feel buddhism has a lot of what a lot of science is only now touching on. How does that make you feel? It's also a bit sad when these discussions are had, I don't here anyone talking about the self doesn't exist even though that would make everything they say work perfectly.

[@davyroger3773]

@@AdnanAlsannaa One could look at meditation , philosophical rumination , and the examination and reiteration of insight as a sort of unintentional scientific process.

[@josephpravda9452]

NDEs essentially prove out Bach's rather diffident readout from metaconsciousness i.e., the godhead.

[@VeritableVagabond]

Checkout the top posts over at r/streamentry on Reddit

[@juliacenker268]

What a summary of all plausible evolution - theories I have heard so far ! I am in awe - so elucidating, multifaceted, well articulated, and delivered on point. Just brilliant.

[@martinmartin8940]

it's unbelievable that Joscha Bach uses the analogy with the mandelbrot set (as an infinitely complex structure built from a simple set of rules) in this way, that is, for how we get ever closer to understanding the infinitely complex nature of reality without ever getting there (as we don't know the generating/underlying rules). Maybe it is a stock example which I have never heard of, but I often use this analogy in nearly the same way, simply because I felt it was suited to illustrate such abstract matters - by virtue of being something more phenomenological.

[@apalomba]

This is one of the most mind blowing conversations I have heard! It draws together so many ideas and concepts that no one has spoken before. Concepts I had only previously had awareness of from my journeys with psychedelics.

[@hooligoonfilms6298]

Good point. A lot of the same for me

[@starfishkittensrescue755]

Me too 😌

[@nyxdelasoul]

Omg, I just found this podcast and I am so grateful. THIS is exactly what I want to listen to. Thaaaank you.

[@jwalker179]

Thanks Lex and Joscha! Very interesting conversation

[@liamp6491]

He is enlightened! This is profund and the summarization of my philosophy. He takes many ideas I've had and heard, then incorporates them into a very real and comprehensive package.

[@interstellarbeatteller9306]

6:23 Lex would love to pause this conversation and think about it for a day or two...

[@corinneharrison1091]

Me too. I’ve wrestled with it all day. It’ll go on.

[@halinalane1426]

@@adamgm84 any romanticism too? A lingering one 🤔

[@6006133]

He was already confused by what the guy said at 3:50. Fantastic interview though

[@mementomatrix]

solipsism

[@interstellarbeatteller9306]

@@corinneharrison1091 I've been wrestling with these things for 25 years!

[@Lion-OandSnarf]

The way his eyes bug, makes this extra unnerving 😳.

[@973sandman]

Thought it was a glitch in my simulation

[@paulden3158]

His eyes bug whenever his simulated mind goes into hyperdrive

[@nathanialbroadway2719]

It’s his adderal simulating his thoughts!

[@beansprugget2505]

Really fascinating stuff. I initially thought that Bach was going to talk about how we can never know the things itself ("das ding an sich" [the thing itself], as said by Immanuel Kant): when we observe reality, we are actually observing whatever our brain sees. So, by "we exist inside the story that the brain tells itself", I thought that he was going to say that we literally can't know anything (basically, metaphysical skepticism). But even "a level up", [it's all fucky]: assuming reality is real, we still are just models of the world; Bach's example of how we don't actually experience [electromagnetic and pressure waves], but a mental representation of it (as color and brightness, and pitch and volume). The discussion at the end about "identity" was also really interesting. Materialists will say that the mind comes from the body (from the brain) - and that *is* true - but there are different parts of your identity that "live" or "die". Actually, that ties into Bach's statements about how we are really just stories (that part confused and still confuses me): there is a notion of ourselves that we control, but the ideas inside our head and the "multimedia" experience aren't that. In terms of identity, there are parts of identity that correspond to this "conscious" part of us, but also parts of identity that doesn't necessarily leave us when we die (e.g., when the Dalai Lama identifies as government). (On a meta level: Initially listening to this, I had this gut reaction of, "this is some weird spiritualist stuff", because I didn't actually know who Bach was. I've been reading "Godel, Escher, Bach", and the author (Hofstadter) talks about Zen koans and stuff. I think I am a smart person, but I think I need to be more open to things that initially seemed far-fetched, an idea which I hope other people can benefit from.)

[@chiefinspector7280]

there might not be a noumenon.

[@trioray9090]

Could our realities be a creation by someone else who is doing our programming. I think we are like antennas receiving the signals which explains our inner dialogue. Are our thoughts really our own? I do not believe in manifestation, as it does not work unless the source is the programmer. Kind of like "thy will be done". Also I wonder if the motivation to achieve something comes from the programmers will; or do we actually have a free will. Who is writing our life story? Choice or predestination? Every choice changes reality but the question is who is really making the choice.

[@zvndmvn]

This is the kind of discussion I didn't know I was waiting to be ready for.

[@jimsteffel]

What a privilege to share in this conversation. Thank you both.

[@shaiella7799]

I have been waiting for this conversation for so long...what a great discussion and important information

[@olivermccrea236]

This is the exact realization and understanding that psychedelics shows you

[@RajiMudra]

the whole thing is pure beauty : specially the commentaries .. Thank you dear @Lex Fridman x Be blessed and brave and always innocent and playing the piano yes yes : now you need to dance also

[@neilcreamer8207]

The idea of brains is just a thought we experience. You can't get behind experience. Saying that there is a real world out there that we don't experience is a con trick we play on ourselves. "There is reality but you can never know it" is the very line he was criticising at the beginning of this segment. It's clearly attractive for a programmer to see everything in terms of hardware and software but the evidence for that isn't to be found. The only facts are that there is experience and that includes awareness of experience. We don't know what has it or how it happens.

[@corinneharrison1091]

What about our vision being upside down 🤯

[@neilcreamer8207]

@@corinneharrison1091 I'd ask how you know that. You might reply that you've seen a video or read it, say. However, how you found this out it was an experience of some sort and we don't know whether there's anything behind that. It might all be a dream with its internally consistent logic. After all, 'real life' is indistinguishable from a dream while you're experiencing it.

[@cameronjoyce6545]

I think if you look thru a glass sphere the image is upside down

[@ReflectiveJourney]

A two year old comment so you might have changed your views... The response here is to baysien in your priors especially if there is no obvious way to reject those. So there is always some possibility that we are a brain in a vat or a world model future ai is building to understand itself. There is an outside world that is a causually closed structure seems to be a good theory. It is in some sense the next null hypothesis that everything is mechanical. We also "experience" dream while sleeping like normal world but some limitations (can't turn of the lights or read some long texts ) that can be attributed to limited working memory while sleeping. So a good test is to turn on/off the lights and observe if it's a dream or not. This along with other "experiential" evidence makes physicalism a strong prior.

[@jb-xc4oh]

@@corinneharrison1091 A simple convex lens always inverts the image.

[@thewaythingsare8158]

Wonderful and frightening ! I feel like a rabbit caught in the incandescent glare of his headlights - rudely awakened from some kind of stupor. Nailed it.

[@starfishkittensrescue755]

This conversation is amazing 🙂

[@tangerinedreamer50]

That guy is the psychedelic king he's broke all records 🏆👑

[@bojan0bad]

took me two days to go through this episode. LOVE IT! THANK YOU

[@ChYtaGaming]

I am loving these types of talks, way too go Lex!

[@fraser372]

I have been listening to Joscha Bach for a couple of weeks now slowly fathoming and building an understanding of his philosophy , if that is the right term , and for me quite a challenge to unravel and experience an understanding of his perceptions and deductions , fascinating . I’m left with a distinct wonderment that maybe one day his brain will explode!

[@ALAR523]

mindblowing! Great content! Thank you

[@mordiggian2730]

when you watch really closely you can see Laplace's demon pulling his upper eyelid

[@MegaEpstein]

Because he is drunk

[@manfredadams3252]

I think either a symptom of tourettes or he's the dumb kid who ate a whole sheet of acid.

[@SeverSFSs]

@@manfredadams3252 hes young. Doesnt have as much experience in the grand conversations. Thats all. His world view is still forming.

[@raybrandt]

@@SeverSFSs Well, it's in part because of his no-ego approach, he asks many questions to which he often has the answers or at least some knowledge, in a very simple way, so people like me, not so smart or knowledgable can get some simple explanations from his guests and we can relate and catch up sometimes. without that approach sometimes I personally would get lost quite a lot tbh.

[@HollyBluePlanet]

@@manfredadams3252 It's only because of all the acid I once did that I can even get a glimpse of what he's talking about. lol Not a whole sheet at once, but bi daily for the summer of 71.

[@garycleave9565]

My mind imposes a stillness on a universe in motion A stillness that's just an illusion A source of confusion For a mind that beholds creature shapes in the clouds Thinking it strange when things change Wrapping them in death shrouds Forgetting that life is neither still nor a frame in a film But a dramatic motion picture show Watched by the observer within Who sees in everything A beginning, a middle and end

[@good4gaby]

Beautiful

[@kanescrimes4848]

Moving. Poetically inspirational. An objective A+ ...imo...

[@MAgisAWESOME]

Thats amazing

[@halinalane1426]

I rapped it to myself. It has awesome flow. But firstly as a poem from a wise mind, it offers openness, honesty and shows you are indeed kind. Words that expand silence between the lines. To each their own time, that which we cannot deny is all we are in our own minds. A circle without a circumference needs no introduction.

[@halinalane1426]

I'm Australian so I romanticise about everything. Especially when like-minded people are positive..👍

[@InertiaFloatStudio]

That interview blew my mind.. Wow.

[@thestrattradingbot]

First time ever I have seen Lex's brain cooking like crazy in a conversation 🤣 Amazing podcast Lex even if it just exists in my mind 😉🤣🙏🏼

[@quanvu6005]

lol Sir!

[@jonmaddocks7391]

I saw nearly all of this on DMT. Am grateful to Joscha for being able to verbalize it so concisely, I can only dream of having the linguistic capacity to even begin to convey the entirety of the message.

[@waedjradi]

That title resonates deeply. Only because, the more awareness, consciousness you acquire, overtime. Things begin to feel like you have lived this life already, and you're remembering everything, as time rapidly moves forward. It's like the brain already had the story mapped out, before your Spirit possessed the vessel you're inside of, right now. Awareness, or waking up is your Spirit remembering the little or even big details of your life that's showing you that you've lived this life before. Now that you're awake or awakening, you have the choice to alter your reality into a route that is much more advocating for your growth. A route that was better than your previous life time.

[@Stadtpark90]

Sounds like your simulation is getting ahead of the world state far enough that you can make changes. I would not call that having lived before; the time difference might only be a split second, giving you that dejavu feeling; it might even be an illusion: an asynchronosity of the integration of your model… - if it gives you the power to change things (or the feeling thereof) - good for you!

[@alexanderswander8176]

Makes me wonder if for some reason you somehow screw up will you be reborn to try again? Do you have another attempt at a life? Or is the whole heaven and hell concept for real?

[@waedjradi]

@@alexanderswander8176 Maybe, my friend. Maybe 🕊

[@waedjradi]

@@Stadtpark90 Hmmm.

[@Rileysparadox]

3 states of consciousness.. Self Awaken Enlightenment Super consciousness You need to understand who you are to achieve Enlightenment, and once you have accomplished that, then you can tap directly into the Source... Thoughts ... words... will manifest into the physical matrix. You all have been programmed. Once you break the programming, you will find your true self. Know Thyself.

[@vivasol4345]

I love the speed he is speeking. Nice info flow

[@thelaurens1996]

Nice, it's good to hear that I'm not crazy. Super interview Lex :)

[@jeffg592]

Can someone reach out to the programmer of the simulation, and program me with a supermodel, a billion dollars, and a 200ft yacht please?

[@1warg0d93]

😂😂😂😂

[@shellybellyluv]

You can do that yourself

[@generalviewer8347]

keep prayin m8

[@dexterhun9063]

@@shellybellyluv you look sus to me are you god ?

[@diegoarias5904]

you see him every morning in the mirror and are constantly talking to him

[@kt9495]

These kinds of talks mostly make my brain hurt. I’ve concluded it’s likely everything we know is wrong. That we don’t even have the framework to ask the right questions. I’m more interested in all the things that happen when I’m sleeping or in an alternate dream state and how it relates to the hours spent awake. Some of those experiences are truly in Twilight Zone territory.

[@panx911]

KT, I just made my own brain hurt writing this, lol The question I have as someone that rarely remembers dreaming (maybe a couple times a year and mostly apocalyptic in nature or else randomized but clearly formed around recent happenings in waking state. What's a logical need for a mechanism within the mind / identity held by an individual to believe they are only a simulated shell that is given a parameter of limitation for their potential intelligence with gradual increases allotted in varied cycles of physical stages governed by time and known physics to question its purpose or function if it were engineered by a creator that would already know the answer. Perhaps looking for the proof of the ability for an anomoly within a system to generate an outcome of unlimited awareness and take control of the reality outside of its function or generate a new reality or perhaps trying to learn how to write the programming for self awareness onto the physical brain of a species that lacks the ability in its current evolutionary state? Perhaps in a simplified way to query the aforementioned. What is the purpose of the human collective were it the design of a superior intellect? Taking into account the things that push us forward in our understanding of our place in the universe and beyond. We seem to thirst for the answers to questions that create more questions to be answered to quench a thirst for discovery and new knowledge. And that seems to be exactly how AI would self learn and behave. This makes me think that humanity is not artificial because we wouldnt be flawed if we were created by machines. We would know our creator and our history. That would be our shared matrix and everything else would be the search for new knowledge. Why are flaws and death necessary elements of a designed machine? What does that in and of itself produce? Are those limitations what generates urgency? And everything we believe our reality to be is the function to produce a single simple response in a higher organism? Anyway....stream of consciousness alert...i needed to write this as I was thinking it. Sorry if it seems incomplete or redundant. And to finish the thought in regards to dreaming. If its necessary for a healthy mind and what not....then why dont I remember? Am I being abducted? Is my brain high functioning enough that instead of requiring sleep to catch up on processing Im able to do it in real / the time Im awake.

[@radiantjoy5607]

Knowing and interacting in a respectful way, taking them seriously at face value, with people who have dementia and Alzheimer’s, we can clearly see how we do create and function within an alternative reality created out of our background and life experiences that is very different from who the person used to be or those not affected by these diseases.

[@TorToroPorco]

It’s obviously an involuntary physical response but the moments when Joscha’s eyes are fully opened (e,g, 4:22) are just a bit eerie. It’s as though he’s in a heightened state or he’s trying to project his reality onto you through hypnosis or some form of suggestion.

[@tiasundawn1841]

He's probably conveying how stunning.. and shocking these realizations are, because they are destabilizing when understood.

[@madebyPure]

Probably just a tic

[@villagegreen7765]

I was just having this conversation last week.

[@jasperjenkins7729]

🤣🙄😜😂

[@TheBfair21]

Hahaha shut up. This should have 1k likes

[@TeachMeHowToDugy]

Lmao I’ll bet

[@artiet5982]

When he said the 30 layers thing, I think started to understand him. Like we can only observe from our perspective, and what is being observed has no obligation to our perspective. Which maybe means if something seems random or incomprehensible it's just our perspective cannot encompass the whole situation? I don't know.

[@artiet5982]

And yea. My comment is the idiot KZbin peanut gallery comprehension of something I have no knowledge of. But, it's very interesting to me

[@sandpiper9288]

For me this guy was the most mind blowing of all the podcasts.

[@matchawhisk]

I felt my mind expanding as I listen, thank you

[@bornuponawave]

It’s odd how all this made perfect sense, yet I could never have pulled that out of my own mind. 🤔

[@bornuponawave]

@Eddie Murray ya exactly

[@mrpinkpony]

“Identity is a representation that you get agency reward from if you care“

[@johnraymondyanez5445]

Lex, you are doing the most. Don't die out there in your travels. As a human, I wish you the most and hope nothing fortune for you.

[@robotaholic]

this was a badass interview- this guy is so smart and just fascinating 👏 👍 🙌 👌

[@hobbesplayground120]

This shit already blew my mind I’m gonna have to come back to this

[@spaceaddict5484]

This is probably the most amazing video I've ever watched. So many revelations!

[@chessdominos]

Very interesting. I think Lex should rewatch this post to fully appreciate it.

[@UKLady]

So incredibly defined and articulated into English that is both relatable and comprehensible in equal measure! Thank you for articulating what I have felt and understood for so long but couldn't quite express it in such beautiful details. I'm looking forward to listening to the full podcast now and hopefully you cover multiverse theory as well.