WE FIND OUT WHAT WENT WRONG WITH OUR 2020 GT500! | Engine Teardown

We finally dropped the TKM Built Motor and Hellion Twin Turbo setup into our 2020 Shelby GT500, but before we get into that, we wanted to show you guys the carnage from the stock engine! Check out the video to see what we found!
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[@justinm.791]

I'm impressed by how long that motor lasted. Considering the number of dyno pulls, mods, playing on the street and trips to the strip...that motor did all that could reasonably be asked of it. I'm looking forward to the next version!!!

[@Makitaization]

Again. Motor?

[@Rob-tl9md]

@@Makitaization blah blah blah. No one cares.

[@Rob-tl9md]

@@Makitaization Motor trend all about tesla's?

[@Hammerback972]

Remember that engine is in the hands of a very capable tuner. 99% of people cant tune and make an engine ride the edge of grenading and living like Ken.

[@ricardocorbie6803]

It’s a testament to how well built these motors are, and how well Ford engineered them, also speaking about your custom tuning and all your work at Palm Beach!! Thanks that’s why I spend my money witcha 💜💜💜

[@Makitaization]

Motor? It's not a Tesla.

[@trentdaddydolla647]

@@Makitaization well built? These things are grenading left and right

[@MS07B3-G0UF]

@@Makitaization Motor. A machine, especially one powered by electricity OR internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or for some other device with moving parts. Engine. a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion. An engine in fact is interchangeable with the term motor. But a motor is not interchangeable with the term engine.

[@Makitaization]

@@trentdaddydolla647 I didn't say they were well built. Ricardo did.

[@michaelwdagle7410]

@@trentdaddydolla647 well they are modding and beating the shit out of'em. Anything with stock internals and more boost will break after a while.

[@paulhudgins5120]

Well sometimes when the limites are pushed on a stock bottom end, and you found what those parts limites are, top end horsepower and RPM'S were the limites. Like you said the top of all the pistons looks the same. Nothing abnormal just a connection rod broke and causing all that damage. Again sorry for the engine failure, but great video to see what happened.

[@RS7evenSLDR]

I wish I had “now we know the limit” money. 😂😂

[@mikelugo848]

Watching you guys take the engine apart is priceless

[@dr.curious5136]

Gotta say, for what that stock long block went through, it held up well , on to the twin to see its limits now.. i love progress

[@jasongaudreau2075]

I’ve now subscribed to your channel. I loved watching y’all be the first and extremely successful predator building and tuning. Well, I’m not a mustang fan nor a gt500 owner, but, am seriously considering ford’s new Raptor R with predator engine. I won’t be the first in your shop…but definitely one of the first to let y’all make my raptor a raptor assassin.

[@darieng619]

😊 Now that is what an engine is supposed to sound like. Miss my 07 GT.

[@brucemoore634]

Sick build! Would love to see this car with a F1A

[@johnmolloy4878]

Hat tip to your forensic approach. Particularly that which is causative vs consequential damage. The next level is some fractographic analyses. Could be HCF, could be LCF, could be dynamic overload, and could be facilitated by something wrong with the rod or piston material/manufacturing (not likely).

[@redstang70]

What kind of power expectations do you have with the turbos the way its set up now?

[@ShaneWelcher]

13:29 "A Unicorn shit it out" 😂

[@dj8010]

Curious what hardware software you're using to tune the factory ECU for that power?

[@Turt51278]

What is better super charged or turbo charged

[@teto6912]

That just tells you how strong this fuckin engine is!!! Its insane how this motor for 3 years takes round after round runing 10s and 9s on the quarter mile and it just stock motor!!

[@TheByrnes1]

What's the Julian date code on the oil pan left "ear"? I machine those pans and the oil filter assembly. Also when did you buy the vehicle? It looks to have the old style oil pressure sensor which would make it one of the earlier vehicles produced by Ford. Thanks!

[@_willalexander.88]

This was a good click!

[@ctu5086]

That new built motor with turbos sounds awesome. OHC sounds so much better than any OHV.

[@asdf51501]

I will say the LT4 engine in the C7 Z06 sounds pretty damned awesome as well. As does the venerable Hellcat. :)

[@lukemeier1853]

150 HP per cylinder.....pretty wild...!

[@freedomfighter5054]

I wish somebody would make a a really hot track version of this instead of just drag racing like a real Road car crazy horse power and handling I don’t see nobody doing that

[@PalmBeachDyno]

There are a lot of them actually. But it seems Road Racing doesn't do well on KZbin. Many have tried. I would look into the guys who run Grid Life. Here is one of our customers. He's in the middle of making 10x more aggressive right now kzbin.info

[@danmyers9372]

Because it’s boring and nobody cares about roundy round racing.

[@nickadkins7765]

@@danmyers9372 lots of people do actually, and it's harder to watch since us as humans in this day and age we want instant gratification. Everythings gotta be quick, right now. That's why drag racing does well because the race is over in less than 10 seconds to satisfy our short attention spans 🤣 both styles of racing are fun as hell in real life though...

[@kenphilpot1903]

@@danmyers9372 haha what ..

[@wynn324]

@@nickadkins7765 youre right, thing is drag racing is more fun to watch, road racing is more fun to actually do, but not so much fun to watch unless the cars are insanely fast/drivers are insanely good

[@freedom6919741]

Great video. Thanks

[@moneyparhar]

GT500 is beat sounding bcz that engine and making 1300 WHP on stock motor. I'm wondering if new TKM engine gona sound same or it has same crank setup like factory. Reason why it's sounds better than just 5.0 coyote

[@chrishaynie1975]

What brand of powertrain table is that? The blue scissor table. It looks more compact than the ones we use. & did it come with those adjustable pedestals?

[@asdf51501]

"In my expert opinion, that's a hole. That's not good." xD

[@lordanthonygordonnustarsmi238]

OK MUSTANG GUYS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DWH300]

Sorry to see your first GT500 have an engine failure, but I'm amazed from your videos by the number of pulls, dyno runs and hot laps run at 8000+ RPMs that engine handled. It appears Ford did a solid job building the Predator for continued punishment with a horsepower ceiling in the area of 1000 horsepower with the factory 760 horsepower obtained at 7300 RPM. It will be interesting hearing what internal upgrades you'll recommend if you're looking to safely exceed that horsepower number for the track. When you start pushing the envelope of increasing horsepower and running 9 second laps with a stock block. Bad things can happen. Drag racing can become expensive. Of all the U-Tube performance content. Your at the top with your GT500 content. Looking forward seeing the new Hellion twin turbo GT500 and the difference between the supercharged version and the twin turbos. Thanks for the great informative content.

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Easy answer on how to make it stronger. TKM engine!

[@rrace002]

Its a cool car. I think you've proven this correct in your other videos, if you want to buy a car to build, and you are a mustang fan- the 5.0 is better to start with. Its way cheaper, and when you blow up (or if you do) its going to be significantly cheaper to rebuild it, and it can make just about as much power.

[@skullhart]

Glad to see some engine break-in on the dyno. You'll have mine on there in a couple weeks for the same treatment.

[@RickheadWashington]

Are those forged or cast piston rods?

[@aurktman1106]

Is the block salvageable with a sleeve?

[@tonyjackson4099]

And that motor was still running after it blew! ......AND it restarted once after he shut it down!

[@agig1111]

was the motor balanced

[@EmmittMAKNHP]

Great video!

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Thanks!

[@chrisp2096]

why was the car so far forward on the dyno? tires nearly touched the ground

[@builtforspeed5274]

Did that still had stock head bolts?

[@peted5217]

Geezz. Looks like it needed more piston ring end gap. Seen bunches broke coyotes for exactly same reason Tune not a factor. Hot piston rings butted together, blew off piston top. Gotta run .030 or better gap when pushing this hard. Oh well, time to slap in the thicker Darton cylinder sleeved block to hold a little more boost. Eventually there may be an improved race block made , but the narrow cylinder bore centers always limit displacement.

[@jdtv...9134]

Beautiful car

[@machdaddy6451]

The lid looks like it had "dents" in it. Did it get damaged?

[@tomkjr1]

Wow, carnage is an understatement!

[@franklaskus2395]

Another tuber mentioned some engine that would eat the serpentine belt and have it clog up the timing chain and oil pump. Thus killing the engine

[@excelerater]

Boom. That's that.

[@MStrange88]

I have a 19 350r and I’m looking to do the billet OPG with the genV whipple. What else, in your opinion, should I do for longevity of the motor other than a lot of maintaining? I would probably run it around 8-10lbs

[@93Cobra792]

don't put a blower on a flat plane crank engine it won't last.

[@peted5217]

Kinda depends how deep your pockets is.

[@davidbradford5432]

Is it possible the skirt failed first and then the rod.

[@bigdvids2720]

Damn was that a big dent in the top of that 3.8 lol

[@Twobarpsi]

Lucky you didn't oil down the rear tires and wreck!!😮

[@ricardocorbie6803]

Ken,, we need a raffle going, I would like that piston or broken rod!! Let’s have a contest!! I would buy some Merch!! Thanks 💜💜

[@mikes1292]

Hopefully last longer than iconic's motor

[@stevejacko3134]

How many miles on the engine before it went? You guys have been beating that thing for 2 years now. Very impressed how long it lasted between dyno, track, and street.

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Not a ton of miles. I didn't street drive it much since we were always changing it up. I think it has 3500 miles but 250 dyno pulls and countless track hits

[@mdubz101]

Typical Ford. An LS/LT will eat much more abuse. Guaranteed.

[@ProjectFairmont]

Appreciate the balls to take the OEM 5.2 to the limit.

[@Rome3aaro]

TKM‼️💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@shimshonbendan8730]

Are you done doing development with a supercharger now that you went with Hellion Twin Turbos? What power would you recommend for a stock bottom end engine using either a ported blower or a Whipple 3.8?

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Never done. We have our 2021 with a supercharger on it still and of course many local customers we use for development. I think 1100 is a great spot to be powerwise

[@sergebasque8460]

Wow! Ken you can say that Ford have put this predator engine program to there test , you have really demonstrated that parts are and will be the weakest thing in and high rpm environment. Can wait for the next build.💪👍👏😎🇨🇦

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Fingers crossed!

[@nickadkins7765]

@@PalmBeachDyno get ready for trans next, because I'm sure it'll be the next graveyard visitor 🤣

[@29kalel]

Ford built this engine to specifically handle 1000hp max so anything over that you can expect failure.

[@MightyWhiteofYou]

Great video. It would be better without background music though. The content is sufficient. Just my opinion though. Gorgeous cars.

[@surge4519]

In glad someone has the money to tear these up and then rebuild.

[@jgadget405]

Good thing for the Ford Warranty

[@chrisbisone4447]

What oil and filter do you use in the motor, Ken?

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Motorcraft

[@chrisbisone4447]

@@PalmBeachDyno Very nice!

[@jasont7550]

Can you do a Mach 1 tee shirt ?

[@evanhi450]

Lots of people saying you build these motors?

[@michaeldeitch6891]

Would love to know who the original builders were. Held up to alot of abuse before it went. We build them in romeo michigan. Been a builder since 06.

[@yaboykris2118]

That sounds like a sweet job.

[@michaeldeitch6891]

It's a good job. We hand assemble each engine on a very small oval line. Only you & your support partner touch the engine. Then the builders name goes on the super charger or cam cover on the older ones. Met a lot of amazing people working on Niche Line. It's been great.

[@yaboykris2118]

@@michaeldeitch6891 I would love to do something like that. Yeah my dads 04 mystichrome cobra has the guy who built the engine name on it. Me? I just fix cars at a Toyota dealer haha. I’d rather build performance engines.

[@ryanjamieson8779]

@@michaeldeitch6891 That's cool. I had a 96' Cobra and I have an 03' now, both built by the same guy on the niche line.

[@Jonny_trans]

That didn’t look like a spun bearing. The journal is perfect looks like some fretting between the bearing and the cap. Nothing to worry about. You over powered the one rod. Maybe the injector wasn’t flowing 100%. All the bearing damage is because the engine stayed running. It was able to suck junk into the filter.

[@PalmBeachDyno]

The big issue on push to start and DCT cars. Can't easily throw it in neutral and shut it off. You have to hold the button down for awhile for it to happen and in these situations, it's tough.

[@ethan5977]

@@PalmBeachDyno actually all you have to do is put it in neutral and push the manual button and shut it off. Not more than a 3 second process

[@danmyers9372]

@@ethan5977 - At “only” 7000 RPM the engine would still turn about 350 revolutions in 3 seconds. More than enough to cause all the secondary damage due to oil starvation and metal contamination in the oil.

[@johnparrotte9352]

What rod is in these Predator motors from Ford?

[@jeffedmisten6576]

I want to know this too. Is it a forged steel rod similar to the Manley rods in an 03-04 Cobra?

[@donuthole7236]

No view of the combustion chamber? 😢

[@adamdodsy84]

Is the GT500 rod different than a regular coyote rod?

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Yes, very. No regular coyote is going to take 1300 for long

[@jeffedmisten6576]

@@PalmBeachDyno Is the factory GT500 rod a forged steel rod similar to the factory Manley rods in an 03-04 Cobra?

[@chrism.728]

Coyotes use different rods, but I believe the 2019-2020 GT350s got upgraded rods and head studs that are used in the 2020+ GT500. The 2015-2018 GT350s have weaker connecting rods.

[@user-pt3cj2wx1n]

U could do a bit more cam adjustments U can hear the piston dead floating on top revs also that means lost bang and lost bang means= lost ponies or whatnot... Just because it sounds great moves like never before means carefully running more than 40-60pound !!!says no one run max boost add extra injectors make shure U don't forget the water injection and get some chemical school kidto let U know wat ratio water to whatever you decide go long ratio diff and a long runway

[@RUBIZEN]

Imagine time traveling back to '65 with this car and showing it to a Ford engineer. First, the shape would be familiar, but you could take a book of photos of all the Mustang generations. Then take the engineer for a ride in a 1300 hp Mustang!! edit- Then again maybe he thought we would have flying cars by now!

[@chadrmichael3949]

Oh shit!!!

[@johnf517]

What turbo hose clamps did you use?

[@PalmBeachDyno]

For more extreme builds I use Race Parts Solutions dual seal. But for this install we just use normal silicone and hose clamps that come with the kit

[@johnf517]

@@PalmBeachDyno thanks 🙏🏿 you guys provide excellent content… thank you…

[@leviefrauim1425]

Shoot, I coulda answered this one- you put 1300+ HP in a motor safely designed for 800. Can't imagine why it gave! 😆

[@mateogarcia1207]

🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[@justincharles6585]

It did pretty well holding that power

[@leviefrauim1425]

@@justincharles6585 yeah... until it didn't.

[@nickadkins7765]

@@leviefrauim1425 that's why we leave it to GM to make the big power "safely" 🤣🤣🤣

[@svtxj9921]

@@nickadkins7765 lol which modern GM v8s are holding 1300 wheel on a stock long block?

[@LMBC6Brian]

Stock blower/motor 10 speed ZL1's are going 8.60s.

[@nickadkins7765]

C6ZR1's were going 8s making over 1000hp a whole decade ago....WITH A MANUAL 🤣 Ford is always a couple steps behind 🤷‍♂️

[@ProjectFairmont]

@@nickadkins7765 This is the fastest trapping car made in the USA, with the oldest basic engine architecture (1991)

[@brianhanel6897]

I'm guessing piston ring land failure due to insufficient end gap

[@ihatemybosses]

I think that is what I do cars call piston McNuggets.

[@MrPappysCobra]

I am a Ford guy but these engines are JUNK!!!

[@olveramelinda]

In my EXPERT OPINION it’s short 1.2 liters. Jk That thing was moving. 5:0s ain’t no joke.

[@mooosestang]

It probably would have lived a long life at that power level if not for that prolonged wide open throttle run. That kind of top speed run kills a lot of motors.

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

Pretty sure that is "Burble tune" damage. Who does your tuning? Lol.. that's impressive damage.

[@Lifeof728]

What

[@justincharles6585]

Talking crap buddy

[@oscarmayer9823]

Just a minor catastrophic failure. Lol. Hone it and rebuild it. I am just wondering about those two buckets of oil under the engine. Was there that much oil left in the pan?!

[@larrypruitt3919]

It has a hole in the block🤣

[@XeroCreator]

Really awesome to see the tear down. Seems to be that rod failures are the main issues with the 2020 gt500. I see the limit at about 1250-1300wheel at 8500rpm. of course engines are all different, but 1500 crank is MORE than enough for a badass car. I have absolutely no idea why they wouldn't do a forged rod, but now i'm predicting a forged rod gt500 for 2023 maybe, maybe a 'terminator' version with forged rods and pistons... would easily hold 1500hp I feel like. It's insane how ford could spend literally 1-2k on forged components and make the car so much more reliable.

[@By_Any_Means_Necessary]

I say rpm killed it almost hitting 9k is insane

[@Chuck88vert]

Something happened to stangmode

[@andrewg.2165]

I want one I just feel like I’m asking for it if I do buy one 😐

[@JerZeyFiveOh]

Hopefully, the twin-turbo setup lasts longer than the blower setup!

[@justincharles6585]

It sure will

[@Rhett.Castillo]

It will. The instant power from the blower is one of the factors in this type of rod damage.

[@charwunsee]

Might want to get a decent welder to weld up them engine mount brackets while they're still in good shape. Before you find out the hard way

[@mandiwacker]

30.000 bucks blow up?

[@matthewtaylor3308]

Pull the pan before you roll it over - leave the chunks in the pan... 🤦‍♂️

[@johncholmes643]

That most certainly did not spin a bearing my man

[@hoost3056]

Too bad you didn't go with the Cobra Jet iron block. The weight penalty would've been worth it.

[@PalmBeachDyno]

The CJ block is not for this platform and I wouldn't use it if it was. The factory GT500 block will go very far without the weight penalty.

[@mikealbert728]

What was the race weight? You guys must've been over 4000lbs. With turbos I think the motor would have survived a bit longer and gone faster. 1300whp with a blower probably has 200whp of parasitic loss.

[@justincharles6585]

Love me some turbos, supercharger heat soaks terribly and the parasitic loss like you mentioned.

[@nickadkins7765]

@@justincharles6585 exactly, and turbos make better noises 🤪

[@baldeagle2128]

Why the music the whole time jeeze

[@thatguysayz]

👍👍

[@brianhanel6897]

I don't think the problem started in the bottom end

[@billymania11]

Simple case of exceeding factory operating parameters of the engine. Not really a surprise.

[@ctu5086]

It sounded great, then, all that smoke. It's funny how Proline, no prep kings, and others only have Chevy or Hemi. Not one Ford anymore.

[@bowtie-man]

The evidence speaks for itself for sure. 🤔🤔✌️✌️

[@terraboundmisfit]

Expert=ex is a has been spurt is a drip under pressure.

[@29kalel]

the is engine with stock internals can handle at max 1000hp why pushover that and not build it inside? Of course failure is going to happen

[@TheRvg03gt]

Just curious.. why not go max effort with the built motor and a blower? Now it's just another twin turbo mustang. The GT500 Being a blower car is what makes it different. I love the car and the work you guys do so I am not bashing it . Just interested in why!!

[@PalmBeachDyno]

Blowers are great but they have their limits and running a 1500 hp street car with a blower is nearly unheard of. And there is a reason for that. Blowers shine up to 1200-1300 and then you really start having a lot of issues with both power management and drivability. Plus, we are going where blowers CAN'T go. 1600+ RWHP

[@TheRvg03gt]

@@PalmBeachDyno awesome... thanks for the reply. Wishing you the best of luck on the build!!

[@cameronsund5477]

@@PalmBeachDyno don't funny cars and top fuels run blowes?

[@nickadkins7765]

@@cameronsund5477 he mentioned drivability for the street too, not just power management/capabilities lol...funny cars aren't street cars 🤦‍♂️

[@rrace002]

2020 GT500 for sale, good condition overall- low miles, well taken care of, never modded, raced, abused or mistreated in any way. My loss your gain.

[@watsonanthony8438]

still worth the price

[@blown9646]

Not sure it would have let go the way it did. Aftermarket cams installed is the big factor

[@sorrymom779]

I have their block and etc

[@tayloralvidrez4342]

Ok so 172 mph is too fast for a stock bottom end motor. Good to know. I'll let off the gas at 170

[@shoobidyboop8634]

Drives ever-heavier trucks over bridge until it collapses - "Well, it sucks that it collapsed, but at least now we know the limit!" Um, yeah, ok.