We found the strongest lifeform...

[@the_lunch_king]

Rob is unironically the most powerful character in fiction. Due to him existing in the real world and fiction he can just turn off the games or the shows the characters are from

[@antimatterstudios8395]

wait till we tell him about amiibos

[@clumsy2466]

@@antimatterstudios8395 can amiibos move their hands? I think fucking not

[@moosesues8887]

Wait till they learn about marketable toys

[@quayplayz]

Other characters technically do that’s such a dumb reasoning you’re as bad as that damned site…

[@antimatterstudios8395]

@@quayplayz honestly im not sure if anyone believes that. Like so what if they have a toy made out of them, battleboarding is a neutral zone in a battlehoarding scenario if anything it will be the toy fighting

[@benmcmahon9942]

my favourite thing on VS battles wiki is how it describes Groudon as faster than the speed of light because it's faster than Poliwrath, like that means anything.

[@M0Bk]

Groudon deez

[@benmcmahon9942]

@@M0Bk god will not forgive your sins at rapture

[@dwayneadamsii4602]

Its based on a misconception

[@rexcelsior5415]

Now I just imagine Groudon speeding across the planet’s surface with his little legs.

[@theodore63.84]

My favorite part is how it has all the characters from beyblade at universe level

[@toadythetoast]

“Where’s Jesus on this list?” “Where’s Markiplier on this list?” Adjacent inquisitions.

[@aroe4ce]

You mean inquires?

[@lawoozychat6932]

@@aroe4ce No one expects the adjacent inquisitions.

[@aroe4ce]

@@lawoozychat6932 lmao. That was good

[@toadythetoast]

@@aroe4ce Sure, why not, man?

[@kyltredragmire4939]

What would happen if Kirby tried to absorb Jesus? Another adjacent inquisition.

[@freeflyonhigh]

This is peak podcast level. Jo and Altrive barely acknowledging the smash is just perfect

[@funkensteinsbackrooms9285]

Lol whats smash

[@PresidentNathan]

@@funkensteinsbackrooms9285 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is a 2018 crossover fighting game developed by Bandai Namco Studios and Sora Ltd. and published by Nintendo for the Nintendo Switch. It is the fifth installment in the Super Smash Bros. series, succeeding Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. The game follows the series' traditional style of gameplay: controlling one of the various characters, players must use differing attacks to weaken their opponents and knock them out of an arena. It features a wide variety of game modes, including a campaign for single-player and multiplayer versus modes. Ultimate features 89 playable fighters, including all characters from previous Super Smash Bros. games alongside newcomers. The roster ranges from Nintendo mascots to characters from third-party franchises.

[@lotusdom]

@@ecadecca4524 who do you main in super smash brothers for switch

[@thebeefcow3915]

@@PresidentNathan lol whats nintendo

[@beemis8469]

i need an alpha/altrive/jo podcast

[@cowindebt6384]

The most irrationally frustrating thing to me is when someone says a character is ridiculously powerful because they are a god or killed a god. In fiction, god is just a title. A god could be ridiculously strong or just some dude.

[@maxspecs]

Yeah I mean Hungrybox is a god, and I’m pretty sure most of the cast could beat him IRL.

[@dotmp3883]

@@maxspecs yeah dude my peach is kinda shnasty

[@pkpablo8040]

@@dubiouslittlecreature908I agree friend(bunger)

[@reaperofthings]

Yaldabaoth was a reality warper, he could create people and erase them as he pleased

[@grandangus5285]

@@reaperofthings ok, but i can turn off the game. So no

[@RandomUser11170]

I thought the strongest lifeform was Shadow, though. I guess, to be fair, Shadow the Hedgehog does have a bit of an Icarus Complex

[@briftdoard]

Just like jaco-

[@hoitem6500]

Man I love this reply section.

[@briftdoard]

@@hoitem6500 yeah especially the part where we’re the only people (so far)

[@paxgallery6646]

honestly hes probably a mid tier

[@miyamotomusashi6450]

He's definitely not.

[@ethanwaber7197]

That Zelda wasn't even afk. They double jumped and grabbed ledge and immediately dropped on their final stock. They were intentionally throwing.

[@naf3773]

that zelda knew it was jacob lmaoo

[@33rie43]

we all know what Jo's good at, and it's learning from his mistakes. he is a very reflective person, people (especially me) are amazed by his character development, how often he grows as a person

[@elquercu7116]

I agree !!!! 1

[@cowboyoctopus2738]

Hes a top tier with a zeus complex or something

[@brandtforester837]

Frick you blue pikmin pfps don’t deserve rights

[@ScientistsGPO]

@@brandtforester837 yeah you tell it to him

[@venturisventis]

wrong way jo

[@dazcarrr]

ROB is the only character that can exist in the real world, even Kirby can't do that, he may be the most powerful

[@bazookasniper5167]

HE CANONICALLY EXISTS IN THIS WORLD AND SIMULTANEOUSLY INTERACTS WITH BOTH THE VIRTUAL WORLD AND REAL WORLD

[@dazcarrr]

@@bazookasniper5167 he could just take the cartridge out and kill everyone

[@MorningMetaphorr]

ROBs are also a dying race

[@ericf3974]

hes a literal fucking toy

[@PROPLAYEN]

@@ericf3974 he's a statue of god

[@djchilly186]

0:40 “Wait this is broken it’s a 3v2” *angry kazooie noises*

[@gooper3644]

Damn I love bots

[@lazyryan3766]

@@gooper3644 you're part of the problem if you don't report them

[@birdlord4210]

Now you done it, you won’t like doc when he’s angry 😡

[@royalcass]

Technically Joker is only powerful in the metaverse. outside of it he's just a teenager so technically for the showdown to happen they'd all need to be in the metaverse

[@matiasrivera2087]

Yeah but joker can send people to the metaverse, and then win

[@gangjittleyang]

Yea but like rob would win anyways

[@Mario-yb2gx]

@@matiasrivera2087 only if a palace is around

[@jkljosh7392]

From pq2 we know his powers work anywhere that isn't his own universe which seems to include the smash verse seeing as his guns work and he can summon arsen so effectively he is the most powerful still.

[@lgro00]

p3 protag is insane though

[@0mnicien]

when he was talking about Joker being 9 tiers above Goku, i legit thought he was talking about DC's Joker until he said P5 ToT

[@dazcarrr]

Maybe DC joker is more powerful, Goku doesn't live in a society

[@KikiCatMeow]

@@dazcarrr that is quite the strong case

[@maxspecs]

Emperor Joker is busted, stronger than Kefka.

[@merlinthestrange8543]

I mean Emperor King Joker is a thing so yeah he prob he is 9 tiers above Goku. Maybe even higher.

[@jimmymcperson7238]

@@ecadecca4524

[@callmefleet]

that final smash 2v2 was the most climactic battle of the series. Can't wait to see how this show pans out in later seasons

[@callmefleet]

@@ecadecca4524 why the hell do I get these all the time? My videos. My comments. WHEN WILL THIS NIGHTMARE END?!

[@UnknownGamer40464]

Wait this was a smash video? I thought this was a vswiki rankings podcast.

[@krazysamurai]

i bet alpha is glad the joker discussion was going on because no one is talking about that falcon loss lmfao

[@NOAHGG10]

Funny how Jo says the Ice Climbers stage is bad for Ice Climbers when they literally cannot slide on the ice, giving them a large movement advantage over other characters.

[@Tonjit41]

Still bad for them makes it funnier

[@cagecurtis]

clarification: olimar is only tier 4 with the ss dolphin and is otherwise tier 10 which is below average human level

[@MegaLolligagger]

alpha losing to a 6.9gps falcon is the highlight of this series

[@Tonjit41]

B U T W H Y ? ?

[@Eselwill]

I mean...if it was Goku instead of Bayonetta as the last character, and was just as broken as her, that would just be accurate Powersca-

[@Shizzy5321]

Well you aren't wrong

[@thenumber27issomehowtaken]

Kirby definitely could have a full length fight with goku though.

[@stephancrow8320]

@@thenumber27issomehowtaken it wouldn't be a fight, it'd be a eating contest

[@thenumber27issomehowtaken]

@@stephancrow8320 true

[@_CNT_]

Nah bro Rob would be stronger than him

[@TMOComedyy]

VS wiki needs to take into account Funky Kong can hit a home run with a surf board

[@dogsneezer259]

The Master Of Comedy

[@Bobsican]

I mean, Donkey Kong can crash the moon

[@Lizombiez]

That puts him in boundless

[@themos9751]

I'm convinced that VS wiki is just an over-elaborate way to screw with people who make vs comparisons. I say this because Alduin from skyrim, that dumb dragon that I beat to death at level 25, with a fork while naked on my second playthrough, can apparently beat Kirby, who has canonically beaten gods over ruining his cake. Also, Applejack from MLP, Ginka *and* Chris from BeyBlade, Arceus the god of pokemon, Dante from DMC, and Knuckles from sonic, are all in the same tier. Which is just- mental flashbang

[@merlinthestrange8543]

As a person who Elder Scrolls... TES LORE IS WACKY AS HELL.

[@Whodjathink]

Applejack and people who are literally just kids using toys, I find it hard to believe. I can believe The last 3 being in the same tier though

[@merlinthestrange8543]

@@Whodjathink Just a little correction: Apple Jack is only that high is too amps from the Power Of Friendship/Elements Of Harmony and not her actual base stats. Beyblades on the other hand is just weird.

[@gogokowai]

The problem is the feats they use to classify characters are over generalized. All it takes is someone to duck out of the way of a bullet and they start claiming they are faster than bullets, and now to defeat him in a battle you have to be able to run 1000+ MPH or however fast a bullet is to be able to defeat him. They also use temporary buffs from outside influences to boost up characters tiers too, so it ends up just looking ridiculous.

[@Whodjathink]

@@merlinthestrange8543 i refuse to accept the whole "Beys have a soul" thing. Just like I don't accept Yami Yugi cheating and calling it "heart of the cards"

[@ericbloodsmith5161]

Mario kart lobbies with voice chat are hilarious. Alpharad, you've gotta try it sometime.

[@Binkx4044]

Nice

[@papaPebus]

@Lessie is this real

[@spiggly_digg]

@@papaPebus of course it’s not real, is that even a question

[@aidanflynn2037]

@@papaPebus yes it is. I did it and it worked

[@papaPebus]

@@aidanflynn2037 thank you, Aidan Flynn i will not forget you

[@Luv_sicc]

My favourite Alpharad Deluxe bit is the full minute of complete silence when they need to reset, kills me every time

[@Tonjit41]

You seem to be dying every week and we're beginning to get concerned.

[@somekid8014]

Fun Fact; when you put “nana” and “popo” together you get “hammer”

[@Gamerman2910]

No you get katana stupid

[@farinefulgens]

the tier list discussion while alpha seethes is reminiscent of the hardest mario auto level with the in n out discussion while alpha loses his mind

[@suspectv322]

"How does Mike Hawk stack up against Goku?" -Jo, 2021

[@benepic3101]

Dude there are so many characters in RPGs that do more impressive things than joker I’m surprised “shooting god once” puts him so high in the VS Battles wiki’s eyes. Dude Kirby has killed like 8 gods

[@valla7644]

Shooting god once with the power of other people rebelling against the god. Aka Power of friendship, plot bullet.

[@theirresponsibleghost7748]

Theres no way he's stronger than kirby or anyone else, because he shot a god. Kratos literally wiped 2 pantheons of gods, once of which was had an attack that was faster than light and kratos dodged it. There is no way in fuck lil edgy emo gun boy is stronger than other characters

[@thestylemage2092]

Like most of the Fire Emblem cast killed a close to god-like being with a sword (hell Byleth literally IS a god).

[@valla7644]

@@thestylemage2092 not to mention beating the strongest being in Fire emblem. Anna the merchant.

[@Zorua3]

It is when the one god an apparently mind control the multiverse, or something.

[@lol_iyoutube]

You gotta love that they take the time to edit out character selection and menu navigation when they unlock a character, but not when they re-started the software lol

[@Tonjit41]

Alpharad Deluxe is extraordinarily lackluster and it's wonderful.

[@the_exxtra1425]

It's crazy that these guys really are working hard to perform for us. I was so shocked they had like a minute of straight silence till they found a new topic to start. I'm usually quiet when playing games or even watching them, so that moment really made me realize you guys are people. Sick shit

[@Gingerbreadley]

Dash was brought on so alpha wouldn’t be alone whenever no decides to walk away.

[@cardboardfox6728]

Mm, yes, nosniffy.

[@briftdoard]

@@cardboardfox6728 nosjiffy*

[@justcoolbunny]

Jesus: Turns water into wine These people: *Universe destroying level, incomprehensible doomsday approaching*

[@AboveAverageJoshua]

Alpharad Deluxe, Melee Pro JoSniffy and Altrive Epic have found the strongest lifeform…

[@metalicarus8372]

okay but wouldn't it be funny if iy was sonic with the dark skin cause sa2 laugh

[@Nyubitez]

christ whats with all the bots lately

[@DagothUrAmaranth]

no.

[@atomicpenguin074]

Thank you blue monkey from Rhythm heaven fever

[@null7493]

Imagine ice climbers but one was named cat and one was named dog

[@karajohn5504]

@Lessie grr

[@ShadowSorel]

like the sisters from warioware

[@stormRed]

Of course Sans would be at the bottom of a power ranking, he only has 1hp and only deals 1 damage.

[@jacobresnick9941]

Whatever dude!

[@maxspecs]

He’s the weakest enemy.

[@merlinthestrange8543]

Personally find it weird since despite that he's considered way faster than any of those characters listed, and most of his abilities help him out a bunch (mainly attacking the soul).

[@floralQuaFloral]

@@merlinthestrange8543 thank god finally someone who acknowledges that undertale attacks target souls. too many people seem to think that Sans is just throwing actual physical bones around in the judgement hall and frisk is Super Mario-ing over them. it drives me bananas

[@merlinthestrange8543]

@@floralQuaFloral Though I do believe he's still low on the list overall, just not as low as they put him, given that he has something.

[@mr.boxhead4075]

10 seconds in and Jo is already peeved. I love this channel

[@nintendope8837]

I have a great idea.. what if.. toph climbers

[@akesan2374]

uh oh

[@Sn0wfl4keYT]

No just no

[@KellDudeGaming]

I like how jo made sure that the ice climbers episode wasn’t edited

[@dogsneezer259]

@@ecadecca4524 thx

[@notmakingactualvidsanymore6289]

@@ecadecca4524 down down sweat

[@romodah3917]

I'm so glad they called Popo and Nana correctly throughout the video. There are people that just call the second one Nana regardless of alt. It's a small detail but it's something I really appreciate! (I'm not counting SoPo because SoNa just sounds wrong)

[@matthewbartlett3442]

SoNa deez nuts

[@theillusionist1494]

The fact that Jacob didn’t pop off after that one doubles sudden death match shocks me. That would have been the most earned pop off I’d have ever seen. Also 20:30 You can HEAR the gears turning in the Xenoblade fan’s head just from that ONE incredible noise

[@Ironnerd63sChannel]

"I am no longer asking for this character" Nintendo: (takes it out) "i am once again asking for this character"

[@joshford256]

26:54, actually he won a 2v2. I'm sure Alpha's teammate just didn't think a 2v3 was fair, so they went afk

[@SophisticatedGoat222]

Joker is pretty strong, but I do remember there being a tier on the VS wiki for characters that go beyond the restrictions of reality. Bugs Bunny is included in that tier because of the one episode where he was an animator screwing with Daffy.

[@floralQuaFloral]

Bugs Bunny changed the meaning of the name "Nimrod" and singlehandedly spawned the trope of rabbits eating carrots. He has more influence over real life than any of us do

[@MattHedgern]

Bugs Bunny has the power to fix any problem in about 7 minutes. In theory, an opponent to defeat would count as a problem, so Bugs should be able to defeat any foe in 7 minutes.

[@Bobsican]

He isn't, namely because there's no further context on if it translates to dimensions for their purposes.

[@simplygarbage9951]

Legit impressed by Alpha winning that 2 v 1 when his Zelda teammate gave up immediately. Popped off when he won in sudden death.

[@FZone96]

His name is 1000SUNNY He plays a Black & White Kirby Yep, definitely an OMORI Fan.

[@rachelsullivan8585]

The Thousand Sunny is the boat in One Piece

[@FZone96]

@@rachelsullivan8585 Oh, I see.

[@reachingzenith7772]

@Lessie bruh

[@Seq15]

As a powerscaler. Vs battle wiki is notorious for being inaccurate. But it was fun hearing you guys talking about powerscaling

[@lizzytrip4560]

yeah, VS battle Wiki is so notoriously bias it might as well be called Death Battle

[@Alex-lw5gs]

Hearing a Umineko anything on Alpharad Deluxe is the most surreal thing to me.

[@Jsters]

i would say it would be hilarious to have an umineko lp on the channel but they’d just mash through everything as quickly as possible for the funny and i would die inside

[@RagnellAvalon]

@@Jsters and nothing of value would be lost

[@wah-gb5xe]

i’ve been wanting to play umineko for a year and i’m questioning if i just got majorly spoiled right now

[@maximumspooks1572]

@@Jsters maybe if they played golden Fantasia

[@DagothUrAmaranth]

why

[@Sylvastier]

The funniest part of the Joker comment is that he's actually on the lowest end of the high-tier strongest smash characters because every other character in the highest tier have either defeated multiple gods with less help, or has better feats outside of just killing gods i.e. being one.

[@briftdoard]

“I hope he’s ready” - Jo talking about Player One ha i get it :)

[@nobleneed]

Ok but actually, that was a really good joke

[@briftdoard]

@@nobleneed I agree

[@matthewbartlett3442]

Book is better than the movie

[@theposse9038]

Damien is the most Ness Ness I've ever seen and I love him for it.

[@ODISeth]

My favorite part is how they all stopped talking when they had to crash the game cause they thought they were going to cut it, and then they didn’t cut it

[@CinnaSwirls]

Giygas making a fetus shape is confirmed unintentional, it was just the way the background happened to warp.

[@supersonicfan6404]

37:44 LMAO Acnologia, now that’s some epic edge there

[@pwojo9776]

I would argue, just based on the strongest or most powerful feats in their own game, I think Kirby is strongest; he's just annihilated multiple gods and primordial beings of darkness and destruction just because they interrupted his nap time or messed with his snack, when Kirby swallows an enemy they're just gone, as in like non-existent, and it's explained in canon that Kirby himself is some kind of primordial entity. Kirby can't die or be physically destroyed, he can survive in the vacuum of space, he's survived interdimensional travel multiple times, he can shapeshift, he put the stars back in the sky, he brought color back into the universe, can weave and unweave reality, and has the strongest power of all: the power of friendship, like all the standard cast of Kirby characters, they're all Kirby's friends but at one point were his enemies. EDIT: Upon thinking about it a bit, if we're counting the Smash story modes as to equate power level, Kirby was the only one who survived the Galeem Cataclysm, and it is very much possible to beat the entirety of WOL/WOD with Kirby; while I didn't 100% it with Kirby, I did get pretty far, I'd say about just over 2/3 of the way through with Kirby, I did beat the final boss with Kirby though.

[@gokusuperultrafanboy3589]

Sora solos 😎

[@Tankirb]

@@gokusuperultrafanboy3589 while I prefer kirby I agree

[@KoenvMeijel]

Kirby is on VS wiki, his article is insanely long and he's pretty high tier but not top

[@jaredwong-bynoe2750]

@@KoenvMeijel rob stronger

[@Tankirb]

@@KoenvMeijel just to be clear vs wiki isn't super reliable and is generally frowned upon in the vs community

[@Thomas-nz4si]

Real fans were around when this video was called, "Racism is justified."

[@simplygarbage9951]

Lol what?

[@dukecaliblap]

When you say mikehawk fast it sounds like katana

[@MechaAndrew]

The vs wiki makes me violently upset. The fact that Kirby, Bayo, or Sonic aren't in the top 3 upsets me the most on how bs it sounds

[@gokusuperultrafanboy3589]

The top characters would be joker, sephiroth, sora, and shulk to name a fee

[@Tankirb]

kirby only really reaches planet or solar system level. So he shouldn't be in the top 3

[@Tankirb]

@@gokusuperultrafanboy3589 Vs battle wiki does my boy sora dirty. endgame KH3 sora should be multiversal

[@jaredwong-bynoe2750]

Rob

[@quayplayz]

Rob is weak

[@Brodoof]

Versus Wiki needs to re-examine Kirby Lore

[@thestylemage2092]

Fire Emblem too...

[@loganlachlan278]

18:47 “he literally dies in canon” talking about Jesus 🤣

[@GekTC]

VS Wiki: _"This character is tier 1 because he can kill gods"_ Also VS Wiki: _"This character is tier 0 because he is a god"_ Ah, yes, godslayers being weaker than the gods they just claimed to slay. Definitely makes sense.

[@merlinthestrange8543]

I mean more than just that but yeah pretty funny.

[@fragilistico]

I think the tier 0 gods are like the omnipotent, omniscient kind of god that has no metric to measure it's true power, let's say a god called "A" can create a universe, but this costs A its life, then we have "B" another god that can create universes but unlike A B can create an infinite amount of universes an infinite amount of time, that's the difference between a tier 1 god and a 0 tier 0 god, it does,t have to be creation of universes but the point stands, a being can be a god in it's universe or have god like powers but can still be classified as a tier 1 god and if a guy can kill a low tier 1 god that guy deserves a mid or high tier 1

[@merlinthestrange8543]

As Fernanado said, being tier "1" or "0" is separated through power not because they have fought or slain gods (Since the word "God" is simply a title with no metric value, with some gods being far stronger/far weaker than others in different verses). Hence why the "Tiering System" is separated through power, In which each have a plethora of separate sub tiers listed for easier understanding. (keep in mind also, being in a way higher tier doesn't mean that person is safe from lower tier characters. Since other stats such as speed, intelligence and abilities can come into play. Hence why you can argue at say 9-B (Wall Tier) easily beating a character in 3-A (Universe Level), because the 9-B may have an ability that's just super broken and could ignore the 3-A's durability a win him the fight). Hopefully this helps give you a basic understanding on the tiering system, and other things.

[@MrBambu-cq6xv]

That's not quite how it works. Nintendo verses tend to be really fucky, recently.

[@DagothUrAmaranth]

@@fragilistico no.

[@sleepysnakes8143]

VS battles wiki is on SCP levels of complexity…

[@mrfahrenheit8417]

I mean I read an SCP the other day that was just Not Michelle Obama

[@trashtrash2169]

Bruh, it isn't complex, it's wrong.

[@Tophat115]

i'm an ice climbers main and i was afraid alpharad was going to be better than me

[@gamecatharsis9600]

At 23:00 ice climbers hammers sync perfectly to the music; proving they are aware that they are in a video game and can hear the music diegetically. They are the ultimate life form. And should be moved to the “can kill 1 million lions tier”.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Someone must’ve adjusted Joker, as he’s now comfortably in C tier. Though his speed is still ranked as “immeasurable,” as he can run faster than the shadows, which “transcend space and time.” The wiki is fucking ridiculous.

[@merlinthestrange8543]

Another way of also looking at "Immeasurable" speeds is if you take a look at the normal speed formula Distance/Time=Speed, where the distance = any countable number, and time = negative seconds. This is the same with "Infinite" Speed but instead of negative seconds, it would be 0 seconds (or no amount of time that has passed).

[@dillongeorge5866]

0:27 Ruby Rose: “Now THAT’S a katana!”

[@Pluike]

Ok thank God it’s finally the Toon link episode, or at least i assume from the title.

[@drilltotheheavens1695]

Maybe it’s the Zombie episode

[@RedWingedHero]

To whoever doesn't know, 0:00 is the start of the video

[@visasha]

thanks i couldn’t find it

[@shadyoak1899]

I remember when I was making the mistake of playing on elite smash and I found a Ganon who brought me to iceberg. I just went one stock up (easily) and ran away the entire time. Felt good.

[@Speratus254]

we all know what Jo’s good at, and it’s learning from his mistakes. he is a very reflective person, people (especially me) are amazed by his character development, how often he grows as a person

[@bluehax6]

there's some mistake in the tier lists because kirby kills multiple gods on multiple occasions over a slice of cake alone

[@trashtrash2169]

It's more than that, anyone can kill a god in fiction, that doesn't really mean anything. He is dimension warping black hole that has already destroyed the origin of his universe, I think, and I'm pretty sure he's also still a baby version of his species. Joker from dumb game couldn't stand a chance, who's to say weird persona powers even work on Kirby?

[@DagothUrAmaranth]

no..

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Since Kirby is just a child and has killed multiple gods, adult Kirby would be horrifying

[@M12GProductions]

The VS Wiki sounds like it's run by some real smooth brains.

[@NEETKitten]

It is. Their stats and scaling methods are super inconsistent.

[@joncarpenter-smith9801]

At this point every video on Deluxe is just a Jo and Dash podcast while Jacob actually plays the game in the background I love it

[@wyatt_the_one_strong6311]

Kirby still definitely stronger than joker he killed multiple gods

[@anokirb8474]

Unfortunately that doesn't matter if the one god joker has killed is way stronger than any of the kirby bosses

[@eelikuusniemi.3513]

@@anokirb8474 What exactly did persona 5 god do, i played the game but forgot. I know that kirby boss Void Termina is god who destroys universes and realities just for the sake of it. I really don't know how to beat that

[@valla7644]

Technically if you give the power to friendship to anyone they win. Joker just did a spirit bomb, but with a bullet.

[@fel524]

@@eelikuusniemi.3513 the god of human creation, Yaldabaoth, "freed" people from the ability to think and decide for themselves, and controls cognition as a whole. He is strong, but that wouldn't put Joker at the top. However the fact they went on to beat Adam Kadmon (who also controls cognition, but can affect it immediately within anyone who isn't a wildcard and is miles stronger) may prove that Joker might rival the seat.

[@eelikuusniemi.3513]

@@fel524 Ok! Thank you for refreshin my mind. That makes sense.

[@untouchable7024]

We all waited 50 mintues just to get a glance at the legend

[@galaxypedestalfan]

Btw, on VS Battles, one of Mario’s significant victories is against Goku, and one of Luigi’s victories is against Vegeta.

[@maxspecs]

It’s hard to beat invulnerability.

[@superbsalt]

Great episode, loved all the Mii gunners I saw. I hope you play Mii gunner next, that would be awesome!

[@shadowphill81]

Smash wiki : meticulously explaining power creep and all the characters accomplishments. Kirby : loud inhaling noises

[@TriforceZard]

Kat and Ana is my new favorite running joke

[@Ghdfshhs]

I like that Jo is mistaking Alf for Alph

[@someoneunknown6553]

I really like Bayonetta, I'm just glad I never played Smash 4!

[@leakysteve5613]

The reason ROB is so strong is because he actually exists and therefore is more powerful than all fictional characters

[@xmastablitz7214]

“But Batman could beat Goku with prep time”

[@noway7774]

Hearing Alpharad Deluxe mention Maria Ushiromiya from Umineko out of nowhere is the widlest whiplash I've ever experienced

[@the_D.]

I can understand why joker persona 5 is one of the strongest characters ever, he's beaten 2 gods, got thanos snapped beaten a sex offender, beaten an art stealer, can drive a fucking cat, can wield multiple overpowered personas, and is looking cool

[@laky3348]

but is his game named after him, yea, didnt think so

[@the_D.]

@@laky3348 yes cuz his name is joker persona 5 :troll:

[@laky3348]

@@the_D. whatever, didnt even ask

[@the_D.]

@@laky3348 you replied to me

[@laky3348]

@@the_D. grrrr

[@keldeo05]

Rob is actually real so that's why he's so strong

[@DmmyV]

Rob exists on the dimension of his creators unlike those other dumb characters

[@potatoes7u780]

Rob can get a human to take his arm and write a story where he is stronger than any god without having to talk to the human, evolution and the passing of time lead to the moment where altrive mentions this, its like a self fulfilling prophecy, altrive pretty much basically traveled to the past and made ROB the strongest character in fiction

[@potatoes7u780]

this works because rob was a concept before the prophecy was a thing, rob wasn't meant to become the strongest being but he was pushed into it by existance and the nature of life itself

[@quayplayz]

Oh stfu he’s still a fictional being….

[@keldeo05]

@@quayplayz You can hit someone on the head with a Rob and they'd get hurt, you can't do that with any other smash character

[@phoenixiceflow5755]

Olimar has a missile that canonically destroy a star

[@Tankirb]

yeah olimar by himself is below human level

[@theimpostorafungus1213]

Well joker is only powerful in the metaverse which isn't really accessable in a standard battle. Plus even if he traveled to the metaverse mid battle his opponent might just awaken a persona of their own which is an added problem. Kirby is miles ahead of him

[@chancellormarkthetwenty-fi6406]

Quoting someone else. It's basically confirmed that he can use hus powers in the metaverse and anywhere that isn't his own universe. Therefore as long as he's in a universe for the people he fights against. He should be fine

[@sleepier9433]

I have a feeling protagonist of persona 4 yu is stronger since he has a move that transcends god

[@fel524]

@@chancellormarkthetwenty-fi6406 well yes, but other that the fact that that Door-kun is FUCKEN DED, he will probably beat Joker in power level.

[@Hater900]

Yeah, Joker isn't even in the top 3 strongest Persona protagonists, he'd get bodied. Only ones who would stand a chance against Kirby are Door-kun and Tatsuya.

[@chancellormarkthetwenty-fi6406]

@@fel524 very true since like... Can't he control the universe or something

[@josh3432]

Did you know on vs battle wiki Luigi has a notable victory against Vegeta

[@BurningNight314]

Please tell me what piece of media Luigi beat Vegita in

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

Chad Luigi

[@NEETKitten]

​@@BurningNight314 One of the shitty fanfic fights on the death battle fanon wiki.

[@foxysans2789]

I think people keep forgetting that kirby fights literal gods on a daily basis

[@merlinthestrange8543]

Fighting "Gods" =/= Fighting more powerful gods. Keep in mind most of the placements in the tiers is more so related too shown/stated destructive capacity, rather than (oh hey I killed a bunch of Gods and stuff), which follows the logic of all other stat category. So while Kirby did face God's that were indeed powerful, in comparison they're not really that high in terms of the tiering system.

[@foxysans2789]

@@merlinthestrange8543 can't argue over that logic

[@victor_e_dafeet8218]

41:05 “We have one more game with Ice-Es”. Looks at the bottom right and sees there are 16 more mins Also not sure why they never looked up Sans either, lol

[@james-robertc.f.9942]

0:22 ... is that a Persona 5 joke and cat is Morgana?

[@Nanakhemia]

I hope we meet PlussyFan9 in elite smash.

[@Ozionian]

No

[@5qu3l]

@@Ozionian yes

[@simplygarbage9951]

No

[@Rious23]

I love that when they unlocked the character, I just looked at it and went “…Ike?” And got it right despite having never played Smash before-

[@quatromanthefourth4413]

Anyone can destroy a universe, they just need time and money

[@ZombieChan012]

Yes. True. Look at disney with Star Wars

[@THEEND4444]

Kirby kills gods regularly and is indestructible, how does he not top the tier list?

[@Zorua3]

In case anyone was wondering, Altrive is lying about ROB being the second strongest character, he isn’t even close. He’s rank “7C,” which is “Town Level,” and many characters are higher than that such as Sonic, Kirby, and a bunch of others. He’s right about Joker, though. He’s 1C, “Complex Multiverse Level,” which I think is either the highest or tied for the highest rank among the Smash characters. (And for comparison, Kirby is 3C, “Galaxy Level,” meaning thst he can destroy the entirety of a Galaxy)

[@perfectionist9711]

pog

[@thecadhouse3509]

Fnafvrboi doesn't show up for like 53 minutes, gets beaten, and they move on to the next opponent immediately. A+.

[@PMcG1493]

I've read the VS wiki because I'm a nerd, and I had to check once Altrive said R.O.B. was the 2nd strongest Smash character. He's listed as 7-A (Large Mountain level). And Falco is listed as Superhuman. I don't know where Altrive's friends got their list (though I would like to see it). Joker is only Tier 1-A in the metaverse, outside of it he's a normal human. Olimar is only star level because his ship can apparently destroy stars. On his own, he's Tier 10. (Average Human) Current Goku is listed as Low Multiversal, Altrive was probably looking at Goku's DBZ stats. Of course, the VS wiki is super inconsistent, and it's hilarious to listen to you guys talk about it.

[@inserttrashname709]

Olimar and alph are 1 inch tall lmfao

[@merlinthestrange8543]

You know Dash discussing Vs Battle Wiki and Power Scaling is both based as hell and hilarious!

[@realkingofantarctica]

If Fnafvrboi+ pulls up to EVO you had better believe I'm gonna cheer him on.

[@adamkimara6919]

VersusWiki has clearly not studied the world of Chinese Webnovels where killing god and gods and then becoming god is pretty normal

[@merlinthestrange8543]

I mean it's not really because a person can kill a god or become a god themselves, more so tiered in actual feasible stats/numbers and feats themselves. Since keep in mind gods in various different mediums vary in power, some like The Gods Of Destruction in Dragon Balls can destroy 2 universes far larger than our own observable universe, pretty easily. While God's from say the popular indie hit "Hades" can only really violently shake the earth, control and freeze the earth, control primordial elements, and maybe embody and control the sun. Impressive but the gap in power is still massive.

[@adamkimara6919]

@@merlinthestrange8543 if you've read Chinese web novels they're usually more like gods from Dragonball. Like every Chinese fantasy webnovel is a dragon ball-like Shonen with near infinite power scaling, but a lot edgier with a lot more revenge. They sometimes end up much stronger than in Dragonball as well, depending on how long the series has been going. Mainly saying that Joker being one of the strongest beings in fiction is kinda BS when it seems like Vs Wiki only really focuses on media popular in America