We Have Trust Issues | Secret Hitler ft. Mari & Steve Greene

[@Bookauru]

Breaking news from JKNEWS: Tiff del real has recently been hospitalized for back problems stemming from carrying the fascist team throughout this entire game

[@xintheshower]

LMAO

[@YTFlove4ever]

You could have chosen a better way to put it.

[@llAMECll]

she misplayed in the very beginning... if she checked the real hitlers card and said he was a liberal she would have not only cleared both of their names but also let hitler know she was on his team. too risky to lie about someones card. honestly just a bad over all game from the fascists.

[@xintheshower]

@@llAMECll it wasn't a bad game, Steve was acting weird and when Tiff said he was a fascist no one really knew who to believe. Joe at one point said don't kill Tiff we're being played. And if Antoine was paying more attention when Sean was chancellor the fascists would've won.

[@yanojanselvanayagam134]

no its me u guys aren’t understanding that everyone believed the voting was going to be no because of Bart’s and everyone else’s suspicions on Sean, Antoine believed that the voting was going to be no either way so he didn’t want to raise suspicion that he was a fascist because all three of the fascist roles would’ve been revealed when they voted, Antoine played it properly, Tiff going hard on him but she played sub par herself, Antoine shouldn’t be blamed for the loss, everyone could’ve done something different to win

[@da1newyorkg]

Alright editors. You guys are just spoiling us now with all these frequent uploads lol appreciate yall!

[@sumi2120]

da1newyorkg fax something up 😐🤔🤔

[@AntoineBandele]

I’m sorry, Tiff. You played so beautifully and I took it away. 😔

[@xXFirespikeXx]

Tryhard.

[@caitlinbrennan9039]

aw no youre good dude

[@jackjack1212]

You would have won if you voted yes at 28:30 right?!?

[@Al-nt9st]

@@jackjack1212 he acknowledged it😂

[@SHUTDOWNCB21]

NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!

[@Dardove]

Since the rule was broken multiple times, I want to point out this from the rulebook: Verbal and nonverbal communication between the President and Chancellor is forbidden. The President and Chancellor MAY NOT pick Policies to play at random, shuffle the tiles before discarding one, or do anything else clever to avoid secretly and intentionally selecting a Policy. Additionally, the President should hand both Policies over at the same time, rather than one at a time to gauge the Chancellor’s reaction. Attempting to telegraph the contents of your hand using randomness or any other unusual selection procedure violates the spirit of the game. Don’t do it. Also the last time both Joe and Bart were selected to be chancellor that was against the rules since they were both part of the previously elected governments at that point.

[@alanmurphy8101]

It was very frustrating. This was the worst secret hitler game i've ever seen.

[@karman000]

@@alanmurphy8101 The deck was also completely shuffled when there were only 2 policy cards left. The remaining 2 should of stayed on the top and the rest of the deck shuffled and put underneath

[@RecklessDilemma]

Omg thank you my thoughts too!

[@eeDeen]

@@karman000 That's not true. "If there are fewer than three tiles remaining in the Policy deck at the end of a Legislative Session, shuffle them with the Discard pile to create a new Policy deck. Unused Policy tiles should never be revealed, and *they should not be simply placed on top of the new Policy deck.*" Also after special election the president goes back to the original circulation, so after Mari it should've moved to Steve.

[@SheenHL]

Drives me nuts they been playing this game for over a year and still not following rules!

[@charleneraymond4036]

Y'all can play it how you want but usually the whole "they're all the same so you pick any" thing isn't allowed. The player has to choose which to give even if they are all the same.

[@alexglass818]

so frustrating

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

yeah cuz now if someone lies about getting 3r and they actually get choice then everyone would know they dont have 3r

[@KimmiBOOM]

I’m gonna kill someone who’s been very quiet Sean (the one who’s been quiet, finally speaks) : THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE! Lmao 😂 25:34

[@Im_Ish]

I felt that one too 😂

[@seandnguyen]

BIG OOF :o

[@KasheYan15]

And then everyone goes quiet 😅

[@lawzinhoO]

I thought that Mari was a fascist, because that looked like an excuse to kill a inocent... also she then decide to kill Julia, who also looked like an inocent from the fight with Antonie (I don't know if I get their names correctly xD)

[@omnitool1586]

Antoine is a good sport. Unlike Joe, he calls himself out for his mistakes and gave Tiff her due props.

[@terminatorevil766]

Jo is a jerk who abuses his employees. He always blames others for his own mistakes, calling them stupid n mocking them

[@arraikcruor6407]

@@terminatorevil766 They are great friends and they are comfortable insulting each other.

[@benjaminchernik7330]

joe seems to be getting worse at reading people...his instincts have been way off the mark recently

[@BakaBoiGaming]

But at least he figured out before it was too late, the last Mafia vid that was uploaded he damn near killed off the whole town

[@yowshiii3]

lmfao thats caus everyone around him changed up their game

[@Yoyomeyo]

True. Everyone's getting too good

[@DreamingGen235]

He actually called out Sean being Hitler, but it wasn't enough evidence and he let it go. But everyone is definitely getting better

[@benjaminchernik7330]

@@DreamingGen235 pretty sure he called out like 4 people for being hitler...i do agree that people are getting better...especially julia and tiff...they aren't allowed to use the "i suck at lying" defense anymore

[@renegade7889]

tiff played really well, shes really improved

[@studentuser101]

At lying? Maybe a bad thing. At using logic? A good thing

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

honestly sometimes I suck at secret hitler, sometimes I steamroll everyone else. I've been playing for 4 years and I don't seem to get better or worse lmao

[@suskabob]

Tiff is playing the bad guy like she used to when she was playing Mafia! Girl got her groove back!

[@danielhenriques6051]

Dont get me wrong and make me the bad guy, loved the game and have played it several times but you really shouldn't do what you basically did all game xD You can't just throw the 3 cards on the table and say they are all the same (or the 2 cards if you are the chancellor). You should stay quiet while you pick 2 of them, give them to the chancellor and let him pick one. all silent and then talk and say whatever. this way takes away most of the bluff the rule is you cant show (or give a certainty) of what cards you got, This way its not really bluffing as you are basically showing the cards (indirectly) by saying oh pick whatever they are all fascist cause thats pretty much "showing" the cards without showing them. of course this way you can put the 3 on the table and pick the two that you want even if they are not all the same. the point is, you shouldn't say/do anything while picking your cards still enjoyed the video and just giving a suggestion for next time you play (i hope you do), makes the game more entertaining both for the audience and for you and relies more on skill

[@corywilson2007]

I'm glad someone said this so I didn't have to

[@arraikcruor6407]

It was frustrating watching them do those mistakes. Love JK but it really takes away from the thrill of the game.

[@jinda002]

basically whoever doesnt play like this means hes shes hiding something.. thats why it shouldn't be allowed

[@matt4735]

Good video. But if u play the game again please no more of the "just pick one randomly. They're all facist" when the person gets three facist. It's unfair and gives players information they shouldn't have

[@kaleighanderson8164]

CrossGames yeah I agree. It makes it nearly impossible to be facist in this game

[@bobcartwright7476]

The leading was pretty insane.

[@Takerz13]

Tiff just screamed guilty every time she talked but I understand how the others couldn't pick up on it.

[@mucho_mu]

Ikr when she saw his card you could tell by her reaction that something wasn't right. Also her argument was "I saw his card" yeah only you did, you could be lying.

[@MetalChica7]

Right!! She voted no for everyone except Hitler. She was way too quick to play the innocent role.

[@pittayayas]

@@mucho_mu Are you dumb? Its not ''i saw his card'' is an argument, Its the way she says it, the bodylangauge if she's believeable or not.

[@Al-nt9st]

@@pittayayas yeee

[@xintheshower]

She did? did you watch with the roles hidden? I did at first and I was like theres no way Tiff is gonna lie like that for no reason. Plus Steve acted guilty IMO

[@onlyallyy]

Also love how they spelled it „nien“ instead of „nein“ this whole time 😂

[@LittleLoyal]

That shit killed me lmao

[@hersheyqueen1015]

This was a good game, however they messed up when they gave Bart Chancellor twice in a row and then when they gave Joe Chancellor after he was just President. Anyone in the previous "government" is not allowed to be Chancellor but can be President. Oh they also messed up when Julia gave Mari the presidency, afterwards it should've went back to Steve instead of going to Tiff. (I didn't mind this mistake because I wanted Tiff to win 😅😂)

[@omnilash93]

Also, when 3 votes fail the top policy is passed. They missed that too.

[@xintheshower]

@@omnilash93 3 votes in a row right?

[@eeDeen]

@@xintheshower Yeah it's gotta be 3 in a row, and it resets whenever a policy is placed on the board. Using veto also counts as failed government and advances it.

[@Babahashish]

Antione: "Joe you are so hitler right now" Joe: *starts shouting, banging the table and pointing with his finger*

[@kevensanabria6420]

Lol josh doesn’t even have to be there for julia to not argue with someone 😂😂

[@GabeWeaver1]

Imo this is a really good bunch of people to play games they are all very smart and competitive

[@arraikcruor6407]

Shawn was being too suspicious. Bart and Joe even rightfully suspected that he was Hitler as he gave hints of struggling to figure out who his fascist buddies were.

[@blueecho9792]

@@arraikcruor6407 *Sean

[@asopfuebols5191]

Tiff strong as hell carrying her team like that

[@LaAngelsChiBulls]

This is the earliest I’ve ever been 😭👏👏

[@aznfatboi42]

Antoine plays a risky strategy... Like yeah it could help by throwing your teammate under the bus to hide yourself, but at some point the blame has to be shifted to someone else. He went in too hard on Tiff, and never tried to move that blame to someone else, like Joe or Steve. Also, when Tiff coulda checked someone, she shoulda checked Sean to say that he's a liberal to hide him and say that she was on his team

[@joptoel3326]

Couldn’t Ant have won if he voted Sean in? Edit: They acknowledge it

[@no2sings]

Ant is Anthony! Antoine is Antoine!

[@hahamanin]

Steve catches on early.. The others are way too behind

[@Im_Ish]

Definitely. But in their defense that's why people are suspicious of him cause he is so quick.

[@madjoker7800]

obviously he knew tiff was guilty, so i dont get how he caught on early...

[@rissaaa9795]

He didn't really 'catch' on to something. Tiff lied about his role so obviously he would know she's bad.

[@OTGSido]

What?? He believed Antoine was good jus because he voted ja

[@Rockiees]

@@OTGSido Antoine lost the Facists the game by himself, why wouldn't steve believe him?

[@pittayayas]

Tiffy is getting buffed from carrying the team. She almost destroyed the liberal if Sean didn't fuck up. She single handly played everyone.

[@yoinkedwaffle]

Ja is pronounced like Ya. J makes a Y sound in German.

[@ThanuG15]

Also Norwegian!

[@chelseythai2110]

I was getting bored thank you for the save!

[@samstergunsmoke8645]

Antoine was simultaneously the worst and best player. I didn't think for one second that he was fascist, so he lied incredibly well, but his poor decision cost his team the game. As for Tiff, I think pretty much everyone could tell she was fascist.

[@BakaBoiGaming]

Yeah he was never on my radar till the whole Julia thing but then after he voted nein on Sean I thought he was liberal and Julia stepped up her game lol.

[@Juless132]

Omg I love y’all games like this and werewolf are bomb!!

[@Luaxon]

Julia: *S I L E N C E* Yes. Look at Julia taking assertion. :D

[@arraikcruor6407]

Haha yeah

[@apparentlyayesha]

Never clicked so fast in my liiiife (actually probably have since it's JKP but still)

[@arraikcruor6407]

I love it when they play social deduction games.

[@Doubletrend]

Mari: “Steve, you scared? You scared?” Steve: “I’m gonna yell at you.”

[@vaishnavipatel3150]

Damnnn Tiff!!!! What a beautiful play! Seeing you go from being nervous as hell when guilty to straight lying at these people’s faces that know you so well! GOOD FOR YOU!!!! No joke-I watched it knowing the roles & I still wanted to believe Tiff every time lied lol

[@davidfekete2012]

I've watched several games of Secret Hitler in the past few days, and this has been my favorite episode. Regardless of whether you were Fascist or Liberal, you all won: I just ordered the game for my game group!

[@ecko90044]

WTF is going on with Joe? He hasnt been good at these types of games for a while now. Its crazy how things have changed our Joemalian king has been dethrone as the top player 😥

[@arraikcruor6407]

No. Everyone has just gotten better at the game.

[@andrewbroome9473]

ecko90044 what happened to Geo

[@DC-zj6ml]

@@andrewbroome9473 Geo retired silly, they even made a whole video to celebrate with punishments

[@c0rmagg]

Why does everyone just copy what they hear in these videos? Y’all hear the cast praising joe as the best and so the audience says that. Now people say joe is fucking up and not reading people and so the audience now says that. He was never really that great of a player. He just played like a shotgun, killing whoever he could and trying to throw people off and to create drama for the jokes and entertainment every episode of mafia that he was in.

[@katedingwall8459]

Wtf he was the one who said Sean was Hitler lmao

[@juliak9899]

40 mins 😭🙌 bless

[@5ammy13]

Also, after Mari was president, the presidency should have gone back to Steve, not continued on to Tiff, because Mari was specially selected President.

[@haileyk12247]

I’m only halfway through the video and I’m not sure if you guys know but when the vote failed you guys actually forgot to move the blue marker, if the vote fails 3 times (I think) then the card on the top of the deck is immediately played. I’m not sure if it’ll even come into play this vid, but just letting you guys know for future games Edit: okay watching more now you guys do move it, you just missed the first one- I believe it still moves on a tie.

[@nyashakai]

More of this please! Also Bring back Black Magic

[@Lashea2727]

Omg I've been waiting for this! Love this game❤️

[@rc1260]

play again! but don't mix up policies even when they're all the same, takes away the element of lying for the chancellor. and make sure pres/chancellor don't talk about policies until after they're enacted

[@igetlazy]

Week 2 of the back-to-back-to-back-to-back JKParty ! Do this every time now afterwards

[@NatNe17]

You guys need to play this more often, it is so good. It is one of my favorites! 😊❤️

[@DaveH82]

19:56 "DON'T DO THE CANTONESE VOICE WITH ME!" AHAHAHA

[@KatfromtheChat]

YES!! Finally the Secret Hitler Upload I was waiting for and it did not disappoint!! Really enjoyed the good game play. I felt like I could see them understand and learn more and more about the game during the game play, like the beginning being suspicious about the smallest little bit and in the end acknowledging some fascist cards were unavoidable. Oh and „nien“ being spelt incorrectly every vote was hilarious.

[@anthonywu5258]

This was awesome, but next time, there should be zero leading from the president or chancellor during the policy choosing. They shouldn’t be like “oh pick whatever because it doesn’t matter” it’s kind of cheap. I feel like mari should have known this because she played Secret Hitler with Smosh without the leading. It adds more layers to this game. The point is not to know if the president or chancellor are lying.

[@jolenemckittrick2717]

Yeah, I know especially in Smosh videos they make a point to say "no leading", I think she may have not wanted to like speak up about it since this wasn't like her group. But I agree it took away from the lying about cards given and made it not very interesting.

[@xintheshower]

julia also shouldve known because she reads the rules for the games before they play to make sure they play correctly

[@tomlaguna9866]

Dang Tiff is becoming much better in these games. You go girl! The way she frame Steve for being a fascist it was so funny.

[@joker2600]

They shouldn't talk during the policy phase, or make it known they have no choices by shuffling around the policies before placing them on the track. It was still an awesome game. Way to go Tiff!

[@Samii_x]

So many videos this past week my heart is so happy 😭❣️

[@cuteycuteylala]

Awesome vid!! Please play again! Tiff you did such an amazing job in this one, keep it up, love you!!

[@ArifahBaksh]

was anyone else happily distracted by all the different hair colours 😂💞

[@hellopeople5600]

Antoine 😫 I was screaming you guys had the win It ok next time maybe 🤷‍♀️

[@poutouellet]

Wasn't presidency supposed to go back to Steve after the special presidency round? (after Julia got killed)

[@alanmurphy8101]

yep. they broke a lot of rules. it was a pretty frustrating game to watch

[@poutouellet]

Oh well these things happen. Not a game they play often.

[@xintheshower]

why was it supposed to go back to steve?

[@mutrie]

@@xintheshower That's what it says in the rules. After the power is used to select the next president, it goes back to who it would have gone to naturally.

[@xintheshower]

@@mutrie yea i read the rules after i saw this comment. i was thrown off because when they played with smosh they didnt follow that rule either but they followed every other rule. also if julia wouldve chosen steve he wouldve been president twice in a row.

[@iamyesterdayshero]

Just so you know for future games, the president and the chancellor are not allowed to speak during the policy picking. Also you are not allowed to let another player choose which one to discard and which one to play, as it makes it more obvious what you had in your hand, especially if you had all of the same...

[@nachamu99]

Bart was onto Sean especially when he said “..why would I be hitler?!” 🤣 nooo typical bad guy response. just simply say “nope, im not.”

[@Splendidjosh]

I see you Julia with your OTR II merch!!

[@heidijapan3468]

I see you army with the jungkook pic!!

[@xaving6450]

30:02 "Luckily theres another chance... if fascist does get chancellor... as long as it's not Hitler" NO ONE CAUGHT THIS?

[@blueecho9792]

Aha exactly!!!

[@KJ-ek2ze]

Dude Mari is my favorite jk guest. More of her. Cant explain but i also get saved by the bell vibes from her, she needs her own tv show.

[@arraikcruor6407]

I think it is because she appears very innocent. Especially when she was so concerned for not killing hitler but potentially a liberal.

[@KJ-ek2ze]

@@arraikcruor6407 she is also smart and well rounded with her opinions if you watch her on jk. Its absurd how talented and charming these guys are and mainstream media seems completely unaware.

[@freemaster9567]

A rule you guys missed was when policies are being picked you can’t talk and you have to pick one you can’t say “doesn’t matter you pick one” still a good video keep up the good work!!

[@freemaster9567]

Also Steve should have got the president after Mari

[@Goblexter]

@32:00 Ayy you know what would've been a good play? Sean gives Bart two cards and claims that he's testing his loyalties. Bart doesn't have a choice and must deliver one of the two fascist policies Sean gave him. Sean then accuses him of being a fascist and kills him off ;) Perhaps next time when everyone's more familiar with the rules we'll see more plays. This game could be just as good as Mafia.

[@arraikcruor6407]

I agree. They also broke a lot rules such as: Not being quite during the picking of the policies by both President and Chancellor (they gave too much information away by saying pick whatever card they are all the same and letting people know what the cards by saying "not good"), Bart And Joe given chancellor despite been part of the government in the previous round which is against the rules, and when Mari got the special Presidency the Presidency should have gone back to Steve. Hopefully as time goes on they can employ better strategies and follow the rules more.

[@xintheshower]

@@arraikcruor6407 "when Mari got the special Presidency the Presidency" what do you mean? why should it have gone back to steve?

[@eeDeen]

@@xintheshower After special election the presidency goes back to the original circulation. Julia picked Mari for a special election, so after mari it goes back to steve, because he would've been next after julia. If Julia had picked Steve for the special election he would've gotten 2 presidencies in a row

[@anderstoxvaerd]

You play it wrong. It is not allowed to speak while choosing politics and especially not allowed mixing the cards up and letting someone else choose for you! You destroy the game and tactics in that way. But it was fun to see anyway. More of that kind, thank you.

[@onlyallyy]

123 in german is eins, zwei, drei btw! 😂

[@ThanuG15]

Americans only know 123 and uno, dos, tres :p

[@onlyallyy]

Trickster I figured 😂

[@kavinvaradharajulu2281]

Guys great game, but when you play secret hitler and are in the process of passing a policy (drawing the cards, discarding 1 and passing a policy) there shouldn't be any talking because that can make it easier for people to tell if you are telling the truth ex. tiff making julia pick the policy of the chancellor instead of the chancellor because that gives easy information that she drew 3 reds. It also makes it more fun when it is word against word trust me.

[@aleksandramakari]

This game is so fun. Now, I need a Uchuu Senkan Yamato version, with Benlayze's gulag operation.

[@emeliegranberg6151]

I have never klicked a video this fast, so exited for this

[@KimiiiRaikkonen]

Tiff played really well!! That was really good. Sean was also doing a good job. But I'm surprised why he killed Antoine. Maybe because of that voting when Antoine messed up. Awesome game :D Hope to see tons more of this game. It's so fun.

[@abeerm265]

YOU GUYS NEED TO PLAY THIS MORE OFTEN!! SO MUCH FUN TO WATCH 😂😂😂

[@soulwarsnerd]

Tiff got me really good...I feel betrayed

[@420gokulimitbreaker3]

😂🤣🤣

[@nasecoo]

I'm so proud of myself, I picked both Tiff and Antoine as fascist during Mari's kill round, and Sean made himself obvious with his voting etc later in the game. I got em all !!!!! I have much better intuitions in Secret Hitler than I do in Mafia, that's for sure

[@Brucestevens]

You can’t talk while you’re choosing the policy cards, it influences the decision. You have to maintain a poker face until after the card is played.

[@Ezotique]

When Julia kept saying "I did NOT" I was really hoping for a Tommy Wiseau insert hahaha.

[@yasmine199770]

I watched it with roles hidden and I trusted Tiff so baaaaaad. Wow Tiff is the MVP of the game, well done

[@jamesonball]

I start to love this game :) Love this cast !! GJ Tiff !!

[@Joe.D.Sheppard]

It's always obvious when Steve is being truthful and no-one ever sees it.

[@Myhotpoptarts]

This had been the only game I guessed hitler and the fascists correctly! I guessed tiff in the first 5 mins. Lol Mari is so hilarious when shes innocent.

[@emilysher352]

27:30 they both stand up and scream at each other (julia's face has me dying)

[@Im_Ish]

So perfect! Thanks for pointing it out

[@vannameyers1214]

Go ahead Steve! Do your thing!

[@Im_Ish]

Great editing, great teamwork (at the end), great lying. Great video all around!

[@AZ6023]

Antoine was pretty slick! figured out Sean and Tiff and thought the 3rd facist was Julia. Julia is always that wild card that I can never figure out :)

[@rickyc1578]

I freaking love the way Joe acts during these games 😂 jumping and screaming like a little kid hahah

[@Kyllmor]

You know what'd be crazy absolutely insane? They play Dungeons and Dragons. Hahaha

[@sugarsholly]

That was mad fun, you guys should play it more often!

[@landreahl]

IVE BEEN EARLY 3 TIMES IN A ROW AND IM PROUD trynA maintain a streak 😈

[@domodior]

32:42 - 32:46 when your best friend pairs up with a different person for a school project😂

[@xishaqk]

I always regret not watching roles hidden, lol

[@geema2281]

I do roles hidden 90% of the time, but then I always think it would've been cool to know while watching them play lol

[@Jennifer_Kerusha]

Bart is the true psychic in this game. He knew from the beginning!

[@saiyanleague653]

Tiff deserves an oscar

[@5ammy13]

Antoine messed up. He got too deep into liberalism 😂😂😂

[@blueecho9792]

He switched over on them 😆

[@mawhulk]

When you go in too deep and you dont know which side you're on anymore.

[@lesshome5856]

Best liberal player: Mari Best fascist player: Tiff

[@corygunter5575]

Technically, Sean couldn't have selected Bart to be chancellor since he was the last enacted chancellor (even though one bite failed in between)

[@mariemarbas8340]

this was such a good game!!! so thrilling and intense 😁😁😂

[@POONTUNEv2]

this is my most favorite game ever! Also they should be staying quiet through the whole policy thing, cause then its easy to throw the blame

[@suskabob]

Finally, been waiting for this.

[@SharKCS11]

Great video! One small (but kind of big) detail though... you guys *really* shouldn't be shuffling the cards around when you're president to prove that you drew 3 fascist cards. It breaks the game because it gives everyone more information than they should rightfully have. It's explicitly prohibited in the rules.

[@alondrahernandez5626]

Bart was right on point about tiff in the beginning.

[@AzukaTheGoat]

I'm so glad I discovered this page!

[@chouaher1324]

OHHHH MYYYYY ******* Tiff your game play.. girl you got me.

[@mariahnicole8861]

Yay I’m so glad you are playing this game again! Editors: Nein is spelled with the e first not Nien.

[@tariqalshilwi2338]

I love how Antoine plays when he has an evil role

[@Seigler]

Antoine threw that away so horrible. He denied Tiff a turn, kept voting for Mari to kill Tiff when he supposedly "knew" that Julia gave him two fascists and lied and could have just fought to kill her instead of continuously suggesting it was Tiff who should die because he randomly believed someone else, and then he didn't vote to end it when Hitler could have been Chancellor. That was... horrible. Maybe you guys should explain the game better before playing them so that people know what they should be doing? That's the only way I can imagine that happening. >.< Oh also the whole leading people and not picking cards and letting others pick any kind of gets rid of the whole purpose of the game in which you're suppose to deduce who is lying... With that said I'm only being so critical because I love JK and I love Mafia / Hitler / Werewolf type games. Also Tiff, you did awesome. You carried that so far so hard by yourself.