We Must Run Doom on Everything - TalkLinked #10

[@TheGuacoTaco]

The "software engineer" claim that software editing will get people killed is obsurd. The people that own, operate, and maintain this equipment know what they are doing on a hardware level. Software should NEVER interfere with hardware repair. I deal with warranty for heavy equipment and can attest that these machines do, in fact, fail in spectacular ways. However, the software rarely does anything to stop mechanical failures and can, often times, lead "properly trained and licensed" repair technicians down unrelated rabbit holes. Also, from a safety standpoint, don't stand near the cutting part, ever, even when the software is designed to "detect" a person.

[@Onihikage]

John Deere: tRaCtOrS ArE DaNgErOuS To rEpAiR YoUrSeLf US Government: You can replace the brakes on your car in your driveway all by yourself, that's 110% legal because you own the car, repairing it is your right. It doesn't matter that doing it wrong could turn your car into a two thousand pound missile that can easily smash through a building, fixing it is your right and the manufacturer _is not allowed to stop you._

[@Warfare_Clown]

John Deere never prevent you to repair your own tractor. They'll provide you with parts and even repair manuals. Now if you screw up a repair and destroy a multi thousand dollars transmission, that's on you.

[@SimonBauer7]

@@Warfare_Clown oh yea? then why dont they remove all software locks?

[@joer8854]

@@Warfare_Clown You are either ignorant or just outright lying. Professional mechanics cannot get the things required to fix the equipment.

[@omnomzofchainsaws4278]

@@Warfare_Clown sure, you can buy the parts, and sometimes manuals, but if that part was tied to a computer, you won't be able to run your tractor again until you pay a tech ~$200 an hour and trip fees to and from your tractor to pair the part or clear the code from the computer. So even if you do the repair yourself and it's good, you're still at their approval for the repair. With current car catalytic converters in vehicles you can repair the system and replace it with OEM parts, replace the sensors and it will run and if everything is correct you will get no errors codes on your computer. John Deere tractors won't even run or attempt to run.

[@sanekibeko]

@@Warfare_Clown Tell them to remove the software locks then. Oh course you always risk damaging your stuff when you repair or mod it. I do it all the time.

[@hiznbrg]

Right to repair in not just software, they've tied the mechanicals to the electronics, if you want to change what would be an off the shelf part i.e. fuel pump, air cleaner, hydraulics, or brakes, the firmware reports this and shuts down the machine.

[@brettrace]

Am farmer. John deere had changed its language lately regarding locking down equipment. They have started saying they are protecting the food chain, protecting supply management. I think this is what u guys were saying... that the billion dollar corporations suddenly care about the new hot social crises Edit: when you're in the middle of the field, broken down, the kid up the road whos good with computers could at least plug in a laptop with jd diagnosis software befor the 4-18 hours it takes for a service tech to show up

[@WeebJail]

protecting what? even in a world where that made any kind of sense, since when is that their job? laughable lmao

[@brettrace]

@@WeebJail the shtty thing to me is that i never noticed the language until Russia started squatting. It really feels like the language is using the invasion as a reason to keep locking down equipment

[@Kev79]

To put it a way that would be relevant to ltt, imagine every time you had a server issue. Even though you have the expertise to fix it in house, the software was locked down and you had to wait on a guy. How frustrated would you be knowing that it could be fixed but instead your waiting

[@skodass1]

And lets not delude our selves here... but that software lockdown could end up costing the LMG 100's of thousand of dollars (both US and CA). If that happened you can bet that LMG would find another work around... to the point of going old school if need be just to keep the company running

[@Bradyboy26]

@@skodass1 but this is a direct comparison to what is happening in the farming world it is also actively getting harder to access older equipment that is not locked down in this manor

[@Kev79]

@@Bradyboy26 I was about to say if that work around meant you had to use dial up, yes you can get it to work but good luck

[@Kev79]

Most farmers (im not one) I'd say who can afford to get these all singing and dancing machines, do so cos they have expanded so much that it is needed. I doubt very much any one spends that much on any machine unless it is economically viable. Even Linus who looks like he spends just for the craic. I bet makes an economic case for his machines.

[@Zurvivalizt]

Yes, because farmers that have run farms and large equipment for GENERATIONS without computers and planned obsolescence would have NO CLUE how to repair tractors. Time to write dear John letters to John Deere

[@amsrremix2239]

I don’t understand why people are mad about planned obsolescence? Like is it bad that companies wanna stay afloat lol ?

[@Noise-Bomb]

@@amsrremix2239 It's a fucking waste of resources! Plain and simple. The world would just be better if we only build, buy and use stuff that's made to last!

[@Codazoa]

@@amsrremix2239 I don't understand why people aren't more mad about planned obsolescence. It is such a huge waste of resources on our finite planet, leads to massive amounts of e-waste, and costs the consumer more money. I care about the health of the environment more than some CEO getting another bonus for record profits. Capitalism is a cancer to society.

[@brandonerrorcontentmissing4012]

The farmers have been fixing their equipment since there have been farmers. Why should it change now? Greedy fucking companies

[@oDMACo]

How did u guys manage to get two identical twins to do your channel. This is brilliant

[@pawel7196]

One has slight red tint, might be a factory issue

[@satanlucifer]

@@pawel7196 faulty product

[@brettrace]

Which one is Grant?

[@Preetzole]

Real fans would remember Riley's brother, Barret

[@mavfan1]

A pair of three identical twins would be more impressive……

[@Frequincy100]

My parents own a horse farm and I couldn’t imagine my dad not being able to repair his equipment. Everyday people can deal with large vehicles without being killed

[@AdrianSanabria]

Shit, it's the horses you've got to really watch out for. Don't stand behind one, don't spook it, don't be too close to it when a shadow spooks it...

[@azyrael96]

Props to your dad for being able to repair those horses. What a man

[@bitcores]

Has Apple considered getting into the printer business? Can you imagine for a moment what that would be like?

[@eternalinsignia]

Well, printer manufacture have done it themselves. Ink and toner drum basically are equipped with chip which only save how much can you print, thermal printer which won't work if you are not using manufacture paper as it has NFC chip in it, etc.

[@UmbraAtrox_]

Apple Printer: "Ink 80%, Paper loaded, please insert 5$ bill to print."

[@gailh.7820]

Actually Apple used to make printers back in the day (before 2000). I remember my family had one one I was a kid. Of course, that was a different era for Apple…I guess we should be grateful they aren’t still making printers nowadays.

[@SatyajeetKV]

You'll have to get monthly subscription for your printer.

[@safebet5841]

Hopefully. The printers will never break down, but the cartridges cost a maximum of 10 times as much.

[@MarekMoowi]

Can we have more regular and longer episodes? Like at least one per week, with Raily and second guest host form LTT office? Commentaries about most recent tech-news are very interesting.

[@Smallshock]

You sound like you could really enjoy WAN Show

[@Temp_Nom]

@@Smallshock maybe Mini wan shows but for the sister channels of ltt? would be interesting

[@MarekMoowi]

@@Smallshock I know, but even tho i love Linus I can tolerate him only for 30 min video per day max :P More is exhausting.

[@Ian.Murray]

Hard disagree. This needs a different channel because not everyone wants a podcast rehashing what's already been said.

[@pgplaysvidya]

the thing though is if you look at the view count (and the channel owners can see the engagement) maybe it isn't worth it. You have to come up with things to talk about for 30-60+ minutes and like others have said we already have the WAN show.

[@doku367]

What is the schedule for this show? It should be a miniWAN during the week lull on like Tuesdays. Plus you guys actually stay on topic.

[@CssHDmonster]

schedule? what schedule?!

[@malmazoar]

The best thing about WAN show is just how off topic they get

[@blockbertus]

@@CssHDmonster You guys have schedules?!

[@Cargo_Bay]

Booo, I like when they go off topic.

[@DX88]

Schedule is whenever they feel like it lol

[@cheeeeezewizzz]

John deer farmers must be ecstatic. John Deer has been horribly anti consumer. It's massive for right to repair people. I'm going to look into this right now and see if I can go and unlock every single tractor in the area. The way John Deer has tried to corner the market and locked down their tractors to prevent people from doing their own repairs. Shit I might even manage to get elected as the mayor of a local small town by doing this.

[@blunderingfool]

Curly for Mayor? Heh, go for it!

[@Dracossaint]

wana know something funny. the copywrite license type they used, has a literal requirement that they must post all their software changes openly for the public view and they've had that license type since they started doing it. not to mention what they base that code on is open source to its core. They are literally breaking the law on a constant basis by refusing to allow people access to it. using trade secret laws as a basis....

[@CoreyWilson]

Honestly never thought I'd watch anything from LMG about tractors. My two worlds colliding 🤯

[@_CinnamonKitty]

I remember a family friend in my childhood had hacked a printer with a super anti-consumer system to use reservoirs instead of cartridges and it was sick

[@Hidyman]

These big companies are basically trying to sell you a tractor as a service. There is nothing fine about that. Imagine if you could only take your car to the dealer to have it fixed, you couldn't even do it yourself. It's the same thing.

[@DankNugs42]

Ah yes, I have indeed also heard of Tesla.

[@SimonBauer7]

the reason why i wont buy a new car. fuck that. i dont need a locked down computer.

[@Codazoa]

@@SimonBauer7 It's why I am really rooting for the Aptera solar car. They are pro right to repair and are making the car fully serviceable by the user.

[@neoasura]

@@Codazoa As long as they have parts that are easily available to 3rd party vendors.

[@1337GameDev]

No. It's WORSE. These farmer rely on it..... for a BUSINESS. WE rely on it... for FOOD, FUEL, and raw product used in many areas of industries. It's worse that a private citizen being locked to a dealer.... John deere essentially can strong arm the government if enough people use their stuff, and they "sneak" this kind of thing inside....

[@RJ_Cormac]

Every car review in the last decade is angry about the lack of radio and HVAC knobs. Nobody wants to use a touchscreen while driving to adjust the radio, heat/AC, driving/traction modes, wipers, etc.

[@SimonBauer7]

this. my car was before touchscreens where the norm (built in 2002). just simple knobs and buttons. it is a manual.

[@sonictimm]

I'd pay significantly more for a car with physical buttons & knobs.

[@schnitzelsemmel]

The most important feature we look forn in a tractor is how repairable it is. Tractors are operated in difficult environments, there's no question whether they will break, they absolutely will. We don't need fifteen touchscreens in the tractor, we need all the hydraulics easily fixable by ourselves and everything else, including the engine, quickly fixable by our local mechanic, including access to standardized replacement parts. If repariring is easy, a diy repaired tractor won't be dangerous to anyone. We are lucky that we only use smaller tractors for our farming because there manufacturers arent pushing all their bullshit as hard, but farmers needing big tractors, especially in markets where there's a monopoly or duopoly, are fucked.

[@the_wiki9408]

With most farming, there are certain periods where timing is absolutely critical. Like if you cut your hay and and it lays on the ground too long because your bailer broke, it will be worth half as much. So not being able to get your machine fixed might cost you half your expected revenue for that crop cycle. If you plant too late because you were waiting on a repair, you may run out of summer and end up with small plants that are worth much less. It's really critical they be able to get things fixed NOW when they break. I think that is the real impetus behind farmers repairing their own stuff. If they wait for John Deere, they might go a year without any profits.

[@BloodnutXcom]

What happened to being an adult and deciding for yourself if you want the 3rd party or original brand repairs?

[@lm_dccxl4078]

apparently the mayority of last millenials and zoomers dont want to get annoyed by anything and ever think on repair something. if theres someone else that can do it, good. if that can be replaced even better.

[@kleini3]

@@lm_dccxl4078 maybe but things got more complicated to repair too, by design (lighter, thiner, smaller) or just because the consumer demand’s more features

[@TAP7a]

What happened was having the third party option made increasingly difficult, expensive and otherwise inaccessible. What happened to being an adult and trying to understand other peoples’ points before making a fool of yourself being confidently incorrect? 🙃

[@BloodnutXcom]

@@TAP7a yeah, that was derision towards people who are anti-RtR that think that whatever they are told is their only option. Guess I'm the fool then.

[@Blue2x2x]

Basically we granted so much leeway, rights, and freedoms to companies so insure economic prosperity, witch they used their freedoms to erode customer's ability to actually own and be responsible. When it's too late, they use "it's for safety/privacy/environmental reasons" and other sob stories for cover to make sure they keep the incoming revenue flowing. So basically, we're reaping what we sow.

[@crt5866]

If I (an 18 year old) can get a tractor from the 1950’s running with no prior mechanical experience just with help from KZbin, real farmers will be able to fix their shit just fine. Calm down John Deere

[@tag206]

The pregnancy test one really pushes what it means to run doom on things. I mean it's like saying your shoes can play doom when you put a rpi and a screen in it.

[@greggatesjr1301]

I didn’t know talklinked was a thing, and I’m very excited for more of it!

[@Geoffery10]

It happens from time to time.

[@Ian.Murray]

No thanks, separate channel.

[@grumpyoldman9988]

If you watch Millennium Farmer or Mike Mitchell on youtube, you will see first hand the issues with "new tech" on equipment. Brand new Million dollar machines breaking down because of a sensor, and unable to even move the machine out of the shop without a certified tech. Many farmers are going back to the older non computerized equipment just because it starts with a key and can be fixed with a basic wrench. I live on a farm but do not farm the fields, but the stories I get to hear are truly frustrating.

[@Starfals]

I gotta love how I wasn't able to run Doom on anything until I was able to run Doom on... EVERYTHING. I wonder if Crysis would ever have a similar fate?

[@ADHDad]

One day a toaster will be born that can play Crysis and the snake will eat its tail.

[@Starfals]

@@ADHDad Lol, by that time i'll probably stream it from my fridge door.

[@treazure]

When "Can it run Crysis?" becomes "it can't even run Crysis" becomes the standard insult for basic consumer goods.

[@ironeleven]

The thing about Doom is the code was released to the public, is well-documented, and has very little reliance on external libraries, making it one of the most ideal cases for porting to other machines and architectures.

[@Starfals]

@@ironeleven Oh, they made the code public? I never knew that. Thats really awesome.. and it would explain quite a bit!

[@randandy31]

As a farmer is South Australia up untill last year our whole multi million dollar business relied on 15 year old Topcon x20 computers which ran windows xp of a cf card to keep our machinery running and to keep our business running 😅

[@olsirmonkey]

SA is the best place in the world imo (definitely not biased because i have been living here my whole 16 years and left the country enough times to count using fingers only)

[@expertb6348]

I clicked thinking you guys were really going to list every device Doom has been run on. Turns out not. I enjoyed the discussion, and I hope we can see a future where we can repair everything we own. I would suggest editing the title, or maybe add "Right to Repair" as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some people skipped this great video because they don't care about Doom.

[@olsirmonkey]

Or started watching and were confused because they hardly talked about doom

[@gasracing4000]

Hackers that use their powers for good, instead of extorting money and just breaking your computer for fun. I approve.

[@andreanderson8639]

OMG!!! This takes me back,. through my brother's friends, I got a chance to play system shock around 97' or 98' and to this day I remember that feeling and what keeps me driving!

[@Yama_1291]

Making this hack public may be a good thing long-term, but in the meantime John Deere are just going to patch the loophole. That's exactly why farmers all over would prefer the details not be made available.

[@artiomvas]

OS is Wind River Linux 8 (third party - not john deer) with kernel v. 4.1.21 from 2016 which isn't even the last patch for that minor version (4.1.21 vs 4.1.52) Which means that they can't patch it themselves - they'll have to pay Wind River to do it. Considering the age of the version and the fact that it is not even last patch for that version there bound to be couple more holes for hackers to break in. Besides that everything is running in root, which means that any vulnerability in any John Deer soft will allow jailbreak. Basically, in order to plug everything tight, they'll have to migrate to latest Wind River Linux + make security audit of all additional soft they have installed and patch it up. That will take years.

[@wasdlmb]

@@artiomvas wait, everything runs in root? WTF? How have they not been hacked before?

[@artiomvas]

@@wasdlmb/videos how would you know that they weren't hacked ten thousand times already? Judging by what cyber sec researchers found before "DOOM" (a year ago) and now, their IT competence is non existent. Researchers just didn't bother with them until recently. While farmers have been hacking their tractors for years. First wave of media attention to this problem was in 2017.

[@1337GameDev]

23:53 - Yup. Manufacturers NEVER invest in security to make it REALLY secure, just "casually" secure through obscurity. There should be laws against this kind of usage / designation, and if they don't provide updates, they have to allow 3rd parties to have access to code and such. These systems can't be closed like this.

[@justsomeperson5110]

Right to repair is just a no-brainer. If it's broken, you need to be able to fix it. If an OEM part is bad, you need to be able to replace it with a third party part that's better. Etc. It doesn't matter if it's a tractor, a car, a phone, a computer, a house, a kernel, or whatever. You can take it to a pro if fixing stuff isn't your thing. Your pro needs to be able to fix it too. And especially if it's farm equipment, where Mother Nature won't wait, you need a solution ASAP. But even something trivial, where does a manufacturer even get the right to say no? If you buy something, it's yours! It's your choice to make. You're not renting it. It's yours. Being forced to jump through corporate hoops is nonsense that needs to end as a concept, for ANY device.

[@Flashfake]

There is a difference between locking farmers from the source code vs preventing farmers from replacing mechanical hardware.

[@kleini3]

Thought the same. Switching parts for a hydraulic or a sensor, do it. but a tractor going rough on its own because somebody messed up the gps or something, hell no

[@Taijifufu]

Is it that simple? They used iphones to show swapping hardware components can be made to be complicated.

[@MeAmMelonLord]

A few issues with that 2017 comment from the former JD dev 1. Assuming farmers aren't smart enough to be coders 2. Assuming farmers need to tinker with source code to be able to replace spark plugs, or a fried sensor, or swap out a blown pump/starter/etc 3. Assuming farmers are suddenly either too dumb to repair their equipment or don't understand how dangerous their machines can be

[@1337GameDev]

12:14 - Yup. People want a COMBO. Have normal buttons, but then being able to change settings / do other more complicated stuff with the touch screen if they need do - eg: creating driver profiles for seat position, mirror adjustment, lights / colors, brightness, radio volume, stations / media playback, AC temps / zones, etc. As somebody who has a basic 07 focus, and a touch screen radio, doing ANYTHING on the radio is misery when i'm not stationary. I use 3 screens, current playing via bluetooth, radio, and "ipod" mode, EVER. Anything else is done when stopped.

[@chadallenchan]

Jonathan and Riley feel like the personification of iOS and Android respectively

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

"Hacker Runs Doom on a Tractor" That guy had a lot of vacant time in his life.

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

next project is to run doom on teletext/fasttext, 1 frame every 15 seconds

[@alternamasaki429]

all the time he had been waiting for john deere to repair his tractor

[@macromage]

i find this funny cause im an apprentice machinist and what john deer has said sorta applies to lathes and mills, they can and will end lives if the user is not properly trained, But my issue is that i have to go through a 3 year course to even touch a lathe or mill, and the same applies in Australia to agriculture, so their argument over he is sort invalidated due to our training systems

[@billmcfadden6780]

Being a technician for a major NA automotive company, I can offer an opinion on both sides of the right to repair. On one hand, I could potentially be losing money on my paycheck if everyone can fix there own cars. On the other hand, if I was working at a repair shop, I would want the right to work on any vehicle that comes into the shop. Myself and many other technicians fought for the right to repair in the 90s and 00s. Coming from a farming family and being a car lover, I wanted the right to fix my own vehicles and have access to manuals and other needed tools. I think the farmers deserve that right too. The ability to do a quick scan on the tractor to find out that a $40 sensor is all I need to finish my crops for the season should be a right. Two hours to do a quick fix as compared to one day or more waiting for an authorized technician to show up. If there is no more warranty on the farm equipment, farmers should be able to fix them themselves.

[@Sett86]

That tractor isn't going to run over anyone just because you replace the injection unit with an easily available original spare part. Oh wait.

[@thecolourpluto1825]

more of this longer form TalkLinked content pls

[@JayMannStuff]

A whole new Apple. It's an entirely different kind of Apple. Altogether. "It's an entirely different kind of Apple."

[@Rustanator2]

Please make either a lot more tech talks or make them much longer. Love this content.

[@BlacklistBill]

John Deere equipment: motorized spiky death wheels

[@ea_gaming]

Love the talklinked format! More Riley is good Riley

[@Parafaragaramus1]

Cars have had fail safes since at least they started putting computers in them. I imagine tractors are similar. Maybe they're worried about someone messing with the code and negating the fail safes but there's OBD for cars where you can see a specific diagnostic trouble code even if you can't do anything else so it can give you an idea of what is wrong with it.

[@missaelhernandez9680]

Wow didn't expect it this time

[@lascaux176]

How are they so weird yet so in sync together? Also, more TalkLinked

[@anthonyalexander5607]

seriously this is my favorite "podcast" i want long form discussions from known quantiles (Riley im looking at you) . I dont care if I agree with you I just want to hear multiple sides of a debate on nuanced subjects like right to repair john deer tractor software..... please im begging you. make a shirt! ill buy it.

[@torstonvodesil6709]

Loved that this was expanded on, especially with these hosts

[@goqwertygo]

The Chevy MyLink infotainment unit (2012~2016ish) actually runs Windows CE you can get to the debugger screen options and show desktop. I've tried it out once on a Spark, the same head unit in my 2015 Sonic so pretty sure you could run Doom on it, I just don't want to risk bricking my infotainment unit you also get USB access, but if you read the comments on the video showing the unlock code, a lot of people have bricked their unit 🤔

[@blueberry1c2]

John Deere severely underestimates the intelligence of farmers. Part of a farmer's job is to become an expert in their own equipment, and Deere acts like that's impossible (I mean, they withold so much information on their own products that it's impossible anyway). You know what they say about the hand that feeds...

[@ejasmith]

More talklinked please, they are excellent in general and this one was really good. Riley is perfect at digging into a topic and Apple John is so chill. Plus they both took a both sides view to at least discuss rather than just be everything is awful

[@dylandesjardins3187]

Don't tell Luke and Linus but I much prefer this and you guys to the WAN show. You guys are talking about the real world and what we were all wondering. Thanks for the content.

[@jakobfindlay4136]

I think this is the version Jonathan was talking about, back in the early days of jailbreaking I there was a jailbreak that needed to be installed every time you rebooted (tethered jailbreak) but a jailbreak developer made something you could install to make that tethered jailbreak a permanent jailbreak

[@TheBitKrieger]

The thing where I understand apple in a) The headline would be "iPhone battery exploded, bad apple!" _not_ "Improperly repaired iPhone exploded" and b) "My phone was hacked, bad apple" not "Aliexpress touchID button stole finger print"...

[@ElEmElEkv13]

"Apple have really high standards when it comes to screens" - laughs in iPhone XR

[@maxw5156]

Thank you for removing those wrinkles from the backdrop ❤️

[@AdrianSanabria]

I interviewed Sick Codes for my cybersecurity podcast, and examples helped me understand how bad the situation is. For example: "if you reboot 10 times in one day, it goes into recovery mode and you have to contact your dealer" There are folks in Indonesia that own John Deere tractors and the nearest dealer might be over 1000 kilometers away! And someone is going to drive there, just to type in a code to unlock it?? The worst part is that they could just do it over the phone. Or over the Internet. Which gets into the scarier thing that Sick Codes found. John Deere can remotely control many modern tractors remotely - some of these things are self-driving! Meaning one central target to hack to take control of these things: if John Deere fails to protect that central point of control... Suddenly the "farmers are too dumb to be trusted with this advanced technology" argument flips. Sick Codes and other researchers have repeatedly proven that John Deere are the ones that can't be trusted to control all this potentially dangerous farming equipment.

[@arimcbrown]

Great awareness piece :) You guys have a nice dynamic, but you still need to find each other a bit in these conversations. Keep the banter! XD

[@Nebarus]

I still await "Deer(e) Hunter II" on my old "Doomovision" calculator...

[@SergioRodriguez-ib6xw]

The Collab we always wanted!

[@ralph90009]

Fun Windows CE fact: it was the OS for the Sega Dreamcast!

[@kumettokai7153]

The counterpoint to their counterpoint is the Farmers have been using this 20-30 ton of equipment for hundreds years.

[@ikarosouza]

Apple: Our systems should be locked from everyone so we can make it safer Linux: pff, can you believe this guy? 🤣

[@christophereeles3343]

Zoltan! :does hand gesture:

[@BlacklistBill]

Tractor software and farmers themselves biggest concern is BUGS

[@fmo94jos8v3]

What if your hand is in the combine and John Deere accidentally hit a button and rips your arm off? What if you were working on a non-computerized tractor with your buddy, and you cross the wrong wires and it rips your buddies hand off? With the computer or not, the threat of limbs being unintentionally amputated are high. Its farm equipment. Most farmers still have both arms and hands. Tractors used to have very little safety mechanisms at all, and farmers did work on their stuff all the time... Now they load them down with electronics that have nothing to do with safety and claim it's for the farmers safety. You will own nothing and be happy. John Deere.

[@fila1445]

10:30 ONE OF US ! ONE OF US !

[@ApxuBbI]

Wish eventually MacAddress would make video about jailbroken devices, and experience with these.

[@Psi105]

The whole "DIY modified John Deere tractors are unsafe" thing is BS and FUD. You can build your own engine control computer for your car. Install your own OS/displays in your dash console, machine your own brake discs in your garage on a lathe and then drive you car legally on the road with other people. And we don't have any problems where people are dying from DIY cars mods. It's not a problem that exits to any degree that would require regulatory action. So why would it suddenly be an issue for farmers who are primarily driving their tractors and farm equipment on their own land away from others.

[@menjivarTv]

This is like a second WAN show, I like it

[@HydraSpectre1138]

“We must run DOOM on everything” We need the Retro Engine Sonic games to get a similar treatment. Sonic 1, CD, 2, 3 & Knuckles, and Mania all run on the Retro Engine/RSDK and all the games have been reverse engineered with DOOM-like source ports EXCEPT for Sonic 3 & Knuckles. We need a decompilation of the Sonic Origins version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles to complete The Retro Engine Saga. And we need to port these games everywhere. DOOM is already on so many devices but Sonic is being ignored despite having the same potential as DOOM.

[@bigpod]

problem with software in tractors is that its quite relied uppon on big farms where number of tractors is huge and you might only have one driver driving one tractor/combine while on same field 10 are deployed using follow me or such systems

[@JuiceBoxScott]

Farmers have been repairing their equipment forever. All of a sudden they no longer should have the ability?

[@babygorilla4233]

I was really hoping this was going to be a lengthy discussion of everything people have run doom on.

[@MrDovanele]

Ex John Deer Software Engineer mentioned that because they struggle with the code the nobody should touch it. I have spent my entire career rewriting other engineers code and honestly most of yhe time not only the engineer but entire team including QA should have been fired to allow such horrible mess to exist

[@nopenopenopenope4076]

If blueprints and schematics were provided, if information to actually fix things yourself is available, that reduces the risk and dangers associated with "tinkering" significantly.

[@earlygrayce3200]

I can see the point of software altering could be an issue but when it locks you out of replacing a part with another genuine part because it is serial number locked there is no excuse. Updates can be for something as simple as a different nozzle on a sprayer which has a 2 degree difference in spray angle which can be the difference of a couple of thousand dollars per field. Harvesting is done twice a year so your machine will sit for 5 months until you need to use it again and all farmers in the local area will be doing it in the same week so having a tech come out to repair within a couple of days would be optimistic and could cause the loss of an entire crop. If you own a million dollar machine which is used for time sensitive work you know how to repair almost every part.

[@Shocker99]

24:20 Windows CE is still a thing. It's just about to be deprecated. Windows CE is used in newly manufactured equipment.

[@mrgallbladder]

I'm constantly getting firmware updates on my printer. WHAT ARE THEY UPDATING??? It prints exactly the same, the menu looks the same. I miss my old cheap printer I had 10 years ago. It always worked and the prints were excellent quality.

[@michaelrussell6661]

Farming is the most dangerous job on the planet. IT is meant to make it not just easier for farmer's but safer. In a lot of way's IT has done that but when a Tractor/Combine or other IT enabled farming equipment breaks down, the costs and time to repair it can be a major expense to the farmer. It is that cost & repair time that needs to be made cheaper/easier/quicker to repair.

[@KingLarbear]

I have to watch everyone of these talked links and techlinks that I can

[@eberger02]

Not sure the safety argument works. People can do all sorts of car repairs and drive at 70mph. Also Apple use Lithium Ion batteries which can easily catch fire. All the instructions I’ve read say to run out the power before opening the phone. I have a special case for charging batteries for my drones and their batteries are only a bit worse.

[@b1gDerek]

If a team of 100 engineers cannot program a tractor properly then clearly John Deer is hiring the wrong people. Farmers are not idiots who stick their hands in moving gears, they understand the danger of these machines. They don't want to spin motors at double speed, they want to change needlessly serialized parts on their own without calling a tech to their farm or towing a freakin combine into town.

[@tj71520]

I think its so sad that john deere couldnt just let tractors be tractors

[@macadeliccc2942]

yeah someone ran doom on a tractor, but ill be impressed when I see someone run doom on a digital price tag

[@dithy]

big brain

[@TAP7a]

Don’t they typically have fixed segment displays though, rather than LCDs?

[@UnlimitedRun]

@@TAP7a I think they use e-ink displays now, as they don't need _any_ power to retain an image on the screen, and can update the screen contents with just the power provided by a NFC writer so a battery is never needed. E-ink is also pixel-based rather than being segmented so displaying Doom is possible, but it'll be laggy and ghost like hell.

[@darin7553]

"Redhat hackers" Redhat company wants to have a work with you

[@raymondtrabulsy7294]

I have been avoiding getting a car with a touch screen for years. Every sales person has tried to convince me otherwise, but I'll take real buttons all day.

[@neoasura]

John Deere is a perfect example of engineers and management inside a building being out of touch with the people on the ground like farmers that use your products. They got too top heavy.

[@Tony3821]

Long form video from techlinked, the madmen actually did it

[@VeryLoki]

the shocking revelation of this video is that Riley doesn't own a farm.

[@ninjagaiden2277]

Machines used to be hardwired now they are all softwired - farmers were used to repairing all their vehicles, now softwired they are at the hands of the companies/ authorised mechanics

[@ninjagaiden2277]

Wow they pretty much said that at -16mins in lol .. I was too soon Jimmy

[@BakedCookiesallday]

Imagine EA enters the tractor business

[@SimonBauer7]

you want to start the tractor? that is an extra 20$ dlc.

[@retrovideogamejunkie]

Wait a minute...if it has Windows ce, we can play Dreamcast in my fridge?

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

Protect against hackers... the dark army of people looking to hack tractors in the fields...

[@lmaoo7611]

Hopefully, Jonathan comes on talklinked more

[@BlacklistBill]

Your Honda infotainment system IS Android 4. I found out you I could root my 2017 civic and sideload apps. Not a lot of working apps still based on the API level for Android 4.2. killed my dreams of loading the Starbucks app and ordering coffee.

[@erikedlund2904]

The Apple guy need to think about his pause sounds "aaaaaaaaaah" "aaaaaaah"

[@Cephalopadre]

Thanks for the time and energy!