We Need To Talk About This Because It's Getting Ridiculous, Dangerous, and Scary

Whew… the VidCon hangover is real, y’all. There was so much I didn’t get to talk about, but don’t worry just come back tomorrow. :slightly_smiling_face:
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[@PhilipDeFranco]

Topics today are a bit different, but I needed to knock all of this out of the way after a busy busy weekend before moving forward. Have a great one!

[@Mike-km6vg]

Philip DeFranco hi

[@SkyMika.]

Hello

[@janaksharma9073]

Philip DeFranco you a G

[@kingofspraycheese1072]

Fuck you man

[@annagrattan305]

Philip DeFranco love you Phil

[@romanbellic810]

I have an online harrasser called Phil. Every work day he opens up by calling me a bastard and starts ranting. He calls it a conversation but whenever I say something he just pretends I don't even exist.

[@failingbadly24]

Roman Bellic mine just calls me nonstop insisting that i'm his cousin and that we should go bowling

[@AsheCraftingCorner]

He calls me a bastard every day too

[@lunafirebear]

I'm dead. lmao. This killed me.

[@ddavid122]

Roman Bellic yeah fuck that guy, always calling people bastards n shit.

[@deranged_panda1342]

OMG 😂😂😂 I'm dying😂😂😂

[@trinityjoseph5129]

that last story where that security guard got more followers than the "Instagram model" who said he was irrelevant made my day like that is why I love the Internet😂

[@kathaai]

same that was just amazing

[@sertaki]

It was truly poetic. Now I'm just hoping he is able to turn this into his own cash cow somehow. It's the least the universe can do after throwing that gibbering ball of flith at him.

[@alfonsopalomino]

Trinity Joseph I like your profile pic 😌

[@joehin3264]

what's the security guards instagram

[@Isaiki7114]

Trinity Joseph amazing !!!!!

[@TitanRL1]

not quite sure why but this was recommended to me in my dash today

[@mastacat1]

I just got recommended it today! On my recommended page underneath the video he put out today

[@emac7050]

Same

[@1000REMBOY]

@@emac7050 same

[@tucker1387]

Same

[@Sebbir]

You gotta stay up to date with the news from 4 years ago

[@LosOnTheCoast]

Who else got this recommended to them 3 years later? Like, I still watch Phil and (n)ever get recommended his new stuff, but KZbin is gonna throw this at me 3 years too late???

[@mollsbot]

Same! It got recommend today, very strange.

[@astraestus8828]

Same lol

[@catathielemann3239]

Yup

[@stephoncyrus7540]

Same very wierd

[@dempseydoodle2010]

Oh shit, just realized this was from 2017, was trying to figure out how VidCon happened like that with the pandemic. He didn't mention social distancing at alll. Makes so much more sense now.

[@grantwallace1597]

Does anyone else ever type out their two cents, then delete it because they can't be bothered with some of the facepalm responses they know they will get?

[@moshly64]

All the fucking time

[@Nickademas1]

Millions watch. Thousands comment. The minority are made up of people with a genuine question, those confident enough in a statement or idea to share it and the majority of this minority are often idiots.

[@macskasbogre133]

Sometimes I even type it out twice.

[@spcmegreg]

Yeah. There's a lot of times I write a long response to something and then say screw it and delete the whole thing because I really don't want to deal with people. Lol

[@christinawilkephillips7684]

omg yes!!!!

[@ThecrazyJH96]

All the humble and hard working blue collar workers are the reason celebrities can live comfortably. Give them, give everyone with a job respect.

[@ArvoDes]

You should have just stopped at everyone.

[@msmurk2011]

+Arvo Desloovere Not everyone deserves respect thats for DAMN sure

[@jmoa5758]

That Instagram model is a sad excuse for a human being lol

[@kyhughes1951]

i like that the internet turned christian's own words against him, turning Joseph into a more famous, overall more liked internet personality!

[@kisidrifterelite360]

Kyra Hughes who is that?

[@hazelkeir9962]

Kyra Hughes I followed him 😂😂

[@catherinejavier9773]

Agh Christian burns has an original vid about a guy being tackled and choked and him defending him about the words that he said on that vid I know it was too much but really you believe that oh well. Whatever you believe man anyways you know vidcon security are just being feared by every going to vidcon and young people being slammed on the wall and other people being tackled and choked

[@HelloItsMikkan]

Ugh that Christian , unimportant millennials and their tide pods. Insulting blue collar workers! Go away

[@7raziel7]

Can't read or hear Joseph without thinking on JoJo

[@JMan9191991]

Well man, just wanna thank you for your comment defending blue collar workers. Being one and having many family members who are also blue collar workers it relieves me to know people still appreciate what we do. It's hard work that doesn't get a whole lot of recognition even though what we do is depended on by pretty much everyone. Whether that be HVAC, plumbing, mechanic, electrician, carpenter, construction workers, oilfield workers, truck drivers, farmers, etc.

[@ba42w79]

JMan9191991 my husband does HVAC and he works his ass off and I don’t think you guys are paid or appreciated enough for the crap you put up with, the skill set, and pure elbow grease you do

[@maggyfoster8699]

JMan9191991 I respect you

[@sophieMsophie]

I can't even say if Logan Paul or RiceGum have responsibility because I honestly think the only reason they did these stunts was to fuel their ego and to feel like "superstars". They didn't wan't to meet fans, it was only for their personal gain imo.

[@TheVlogTheory]

Sophie McCarthy It's so totally to make them feel better about themselves. Not too long ago Logan flew a little kid out to LA to meet him and to and imo he did it for publicity and to make himself look like a good guy, furthering his image online.

[@sophieMsophie]

For real though, it's such a thin veil I guess his young viewers just can't see past. You can see it so obviously in his vlogs, I've only watched a few but he just thinks so highly of himself. Not to mention he is not a good person - known for bullying and harassing people online and to their face (Check out JessiSmiles) and everyone also seems to forget the fact that he was friends with Sam Pepper when all that shit was going down?!?!

[@Mrbluefire95]

He tries to make it seem satirical too. All the time he'll roast himself about his practices. If you ask me it's all to lessen the negative reception that comes with it. Logan Paul is a child. He admits this. It's why he attracts 12 year olds as his audience. Absolutely fake individual. Everything he does in his vlogs is orchestrated.

[@shade3385]

Logan will realize that the lifestyle he is leading is empty and void, it happens to anyone who is crazed about fame. The question here is, how long will it take?

[@unnadere]

I think the saddest part is that they are 100% aware of what they're doing & what can happen, but they don't care about their followers like they claim they do, or they wouldn't be putting them in a situation where they can get hurt. If you have a younger following - pull your head in and act like an adult.

[@greeniegreens7737]

It's funny that Anita brings up Franny. One of Franchesca Ramsey's biggest critics attended her panel. The critic, Andy Warski, and Franchesca then met up after the panel and are now on at least better terms.

[@johnathankorkie4984]

Dillon Green #frandy

[@digitallyawesome1120]

It's funny, especially since they came to terms and agree on somethings

[@ArcingAngels]

Nothing better than having a video showup in your feed that is like 5 years old.

[@andrewkent6402]

Why did this appear in my notifications 3 years late?

[@RGutz90]

I wanna like DeFranco and his channel but he keeps calling me a bastard...

[@nunyabizness9045]

CokeBlue at least he calls me a beautiful bastard

[@darktrooperdalek7991]

CokeBlue a beautiful bastard ;)

[@DystopianOverture]

We are all beautiful bastards ❤

[@YahnLexicon]

KZbin needs gifs so that I can reply with Jon Snow right now...

[@preparetotakeaim66]

I wanna hate DeFranco and his channel but he keeps calling me beautiful...

[@therocketboost]

The problem with Anita Sarkeesian is that she is routinely guilty of the same behaviours she accuses her detractors of; misrepresenting situations, using her audience as attack dogs on critics, and courting controversy for fame. Repeatedly, I have met feminists who state that her public actions do more harm than good for the movement.

[@bulacomunistu8727]

Don't forget she asked for hundreds of thousand of $ for her "Tropes vs women" project,and we all know how that ended up.IMO,she just a professional victim who jumped on the "feminist" train for money and fame.What's sad/hilarious is that she found idiots to sponsor her behavior.

[@rob13ism]

Her and Ana Kasparian from YT are huge hypocrites...they are like an abyss on the inside...

[@KainYusanagi]

She's literally a professional scam artist. I mean, look into her history.

[@TheKylebeetis]

Meh, it's not your money. People wanted to sponsor her video and they gave her money out of their own free will. It's irrelevant how much money and how over inflated you think those videos were. She sold her project well and people wanted to buy into it. That's capitalism baby.

[@jblue1622]

Rick Boost yep by her definition calling him a "shithead" would be harassment

[@itshailiejohnson]

I love this guy, I agree with him 100%. this guy is very logical

[@jjm8274]

internetchaosx agreed

[@fwdcnorac8574]

I think Sargon and Anita are garbage.

[@ryanvaros8827]

Three years later and no idea why this video was recommended. I remember watching it live. Funny how this all played out overtime

[@nymphie6992]

The 'instagram model' kid and his behavior is absolutely disgusting..

[@ben5oaks1]

A perfect caricature of the American-west-coast-rich-extroverted-kid-stereotype.

[@EvolvingMike]

Throw his ass in the Congo with a knife and some matches. That might humble him, if he could even survive three days.

[@michaelseye3386]

Anita is against bulling. Unless its her doing it.

[@qoobfoodisnotgood7457]

true, he is no angel tough, he did more than 30 videos borderline(and not) insulting her and laying and misrepresenting her

[@Magepure6749]

​@@qoobfoodisnotgood7457- he's no angel, but neither is she. Yet only one of them used their position of power to publicly harass and villify the other. And - (un)surprisingly - it wasn't the white male :V

[@qoobfoodisnotgood7457]

@@Magepure6749 Even in America, he would be prosecutable by law for defamation and harassment, since he also knew and approved of his followers' behavior towards her. Completely uncalled for, I still don't get what all of you think she has done that is so wrong, it's not justifiable and it's too childish. I'm happy she is at it again :)

[@drekjeters1fan]

I love how fair and honest you are on this show... not something you see everyday, especially with people who are famous via social media. Love it.

[@SuperFilmyGuys]

Thank you for the proper credit Phillip, I highly appreciate it. You are by far my favorite news channel. My clip has been reuploaded and stolen everywhere and many people give no credit at all.

[@user-ez2be8of2n]

Yo. Keep up your work, Its great and you're going to go places. Im glad Phil Linked you guys, Im subscribed. Keep your content up. :)

[@Jycorro]

SuperFilmyGuys adding you

[@iammrbeat]

Isn't it crazy how the best news channel is technically a reaction to the news channel?

[@LukeLantern]

Kudos, sir, for good camerawork and content.

[@johnnypop-tart335]

She doesn't not understand the difference between harassment and criticism

[@Kate-Does]

She's a moron. There's not an intelligent brain for her to use.

[@kkokay4]

Remember if you ever criticize a woman, thats mansplaining and thats harassment.

[@JazzzRockFuzion]

Logan Paul is no better than that "IG Model"...he was just feeding his own ego, causing a scene so he could bask in his 'fame' and hype at the expense of safety and security. It was a totally calculated move; Logan should feel ashamed of himself.

[@kalebdaynes]

Looks like you've predicted the future, dude. A few months after this he filmed himself and his scumbag friends laughing at/making jokes about a deceased man in the Japanese Suicide Forest. It was the most callous thing I've ever seen (and that's saying a lot).

[@getmeoutofhereHELPHELP1]

i love how 90% of these comments are about anita but almost none of them are about christian burns

[@cowmonkey1000]

Never heard of him.

[@noangles1564]

Really? I found a few

[@JohnCFee]

They're both shitty people

[@JudyTheAlien]

Well, he was doing that to call for attention and we are fighting that by not granting him the attention he wants

[@trihardcx6743]

Who?

[@CriticalNobody]

The main issue with Anita, and most mainstream feminist voices, is that they can't, or aren't willing, to differentiate between harassment and criticism. Disagreeing with you is not harassment and neither is sitting quietly in an audience listening.

[@hydrogenone4926]

True enough and apparently even sitting down is harassment.

[@AaronJBravo]

Critical Nobody did you just assume my gender

[@AndSoWeLaughed]

Critical Nobody and always victimizing themselves when women and men point out that extreme feminism is that women are superior when it should be equality. It annoys me for the rest of the call women who don't brand themselves for fear of being linked.

[@kimibow1619]

Critical Nobody that is true, but if someone who keeps bugging you is sitting in front of ya, you're not gonna like that, right? Try to see it from her perspective.

[@kill100578]

But he didn't just sit down. If he had just gone to the panel that would have been fine, but he sat in the very front row and bought an entourage. Imagine if someone had been threatening to kill you, or in some way hurt you in some way, (I dont know if he had done that but lets make an example). And they had done that to you everyday for 3 years, and then you go to work and they are at your work, sitting there, smiling at you. It was 100% supposed to be an aggressive and intimidating action. Go to the panel sure but don't try and hijack it to grab attention for yourself and also threaten someone you harass.

[@UneasyPeasy]

I personally think Logan Paul is in the wrong here. Sure, he didn't get invited so he wanted to still show up, but you have to understand the problems that can cause. And it seemed like he wanted to make a huge ruckus with everyone crowding around him. Having hundreds of people running around can be very unsafe for those who are just looking for a good time at VidCon. People could have easily gotten hurt or even trampled on. That's just my opinion.

[@Paul-ti3uu]

he has no control over his fans and it still wasn't a good enough reason for security to "tackle" him

[@furicuri3]

Spot on! He acted like an idiot... people could've been serioulsy injured.

[@sammieqt_]

I definitely agree with you. Wasn't there something similar to this that happened just a year or two ago? Where someone had fans running wild at vidcon for some sort of scavenger hunt, that was so dangerous that they had it shut down? That person back then was in the wrong, and Logan Paul is in the wrong here, too. You would think that even though he wasn't invited, he would've been at least somewhat responsible and tried to look into some of these things first... Oh wait.

[@UneasyPeasy]

When you become a KZbinr with 5 million plus subs, you gotta think about more than just yourself. There were people who most likely traveled to VidCon just to see Logan. And if you see him, you are going to do everything in your power to interact with him. So now you and hundreds of others are in a stamped to get Logan's attention. Yes, the craziness is partly because of fans, but it is also due to Logan being there to begin with. And all the security sees is someone causing a lot of trouble. He doesn't know who Logan is.

[@DasVERMiT]

I'm not convinced he actually got tackled. It looks like he had multiple people hanging on to him, escorting him away and one went down and pulled the whole group down.

[@HomeworkRadio]

Recommended today! 🔥

[@BurningheartofSILVER]

Same, but 3 days later

[@whateveritsjustkay725]

"No because I love men, and I think the idea of 'raise women to power, take the men away from the power' is never going to work out because you need balance...My biggest thing is really sisterhood more than feminism. I don't know how we as women expect men to respect us because we don't seem to respect each other." --Shailene Woodley this is all im gonna say

[@gateetafeliz4483]

Why not both?

[@an.s.7930]

And now she's a feminist....

[@Xzouv]

well what she's describing /is/ feminism-- feminism is not about women over men, it is about equality/equity; an equal respect for women and men

[@esyphillis101]

Really? Never saw anything about this.

[@artzreal]

xzouv, in definition yes,in actual actions,not even near

[@OMRS1]

Ironic how he called himself famous because he had 29k followers on Insta now the security guard has twice the followers and the model is losing all his followers

[@luciusfluff]

Side note: maybe Vidcon should have more specific rules about unattended minors.

[@SubzeroBlack68]

wtf why did I get recommended this 4yrs later

[@timseepots]

Thanks for taking the time to bring this up in a way people get to think... love ya for it

[@nerdecrafter]

It seems like Anita just did to Sargon what she labels as harassment. She's delusional if she thinks her logic doesn't apply to men too. Feminism is supposed to be about equality, not a heavy bias towards women. This new "professional victim feminism" is tainting classic feminism.

[@emmaaajune]

NerdECrafter perfectly said!!

[@SpaceTrump]

Agree

[@rainynight02]

But remember, as someone on that panel, and I believe Francesca Ramsey Also said in a tweet, "You can't expect women to be strong enough to handle criticism on the internet." So they sincerely don't view the sexes as equally capable. I can only assume she thinks like this: an adult(man) hitting a kid(woman) is not acceptable but a kid(woman) hitting an adult(man) is acceptable.

[@p4l4d1n7]

differrence is there are feminists and then there are the feminazis like anita and francesca

[@ApartmentViews]

rainynight02 Fran never said that. Being barraged with the level of hate they get is a pretty unique and awful experience. They're definitely stronger than the dudes who express hate for them. And yeah, it's not simply criticism, it's dehumanizing disrespect and cruel digs about their looks and race and and gender, calling them slurs like sluts and cunts and retards and being overwhelmingly misogynistic and insulting their husbands and boyfriends as well as making threats of rape and violence - and this by the cohort with the online power, the popular cool kids/boys, for years and years. Laci's reaction of breaking down and crying when finally confronting one of her primary harassers and letting him know how his disrespect effected her and what his fans had been doing (though he probably knew about a lot of it already) stems from the same place of hurt as Anita's reaction. Crying makes you look more vulnerable and sympathetic and soft but is not the only understandable reaction to have to meeting your bully. You'd think these women were murderers with level of hate and contempt directed their way. It's crazy to me that so few, Phil included, can understand how seeing your biggest tormenter in the audience could upset you. Serious lack of empathy for harassed women who don't act sweet enough here.

[@ScarfeeEdits]

One sentence: "Not knowing the rules doesn't excuse you from breaking them." In any situation or a public venue, this is true in any circumstances. Otherwise, it's a mess.

[@earkin9]

It doesn't excuse you from breaking them, but it makes you less of a bad person. These rules aren't really about morality. It's different then saying you didn't know whether or not its okay to kill, because thats obviously not morally okay. Giving your fans 3,000 is morally okay whether or not its against or supporting the rules.

[@NinjaKittkatt]

True because all it does is encourages people _not_ to read the rules because if they break one they can just claim to not have known. Rules are only rules if they're enforced without any special treatments.

[@ScarfeeEdits]

+Eyral Arkin you're missing my point. Intentions in the venues of such caliber are usually less important than the consequences. Hypothetical example: I came into the VidCon lobby to give people that came to meet me free merch because they already paid $150 for a ticket, and I don't wanna make them pay more. In the result of a stampede, five people were severely injured. The fact of giving your fans 3,000 is morally okay. Creating a dangerous, property-destroying, stampeding mob of 12 to 16 year olds while doing so? Not so much. Especially when you know what the consequences of your actions are going to be in advance. Rules are there for a reason.

[@RayLow92]

Anyone else get this recommended 4 years later?

[@mananrocks98]

same lmaooo

[@shaneh5483]

I think the one of the most famous examples of a fan doing something in the name of a celebrity; is when John Hinckley tried to kill Reagan for Jodie Foster. another famous example is when Mark Chapman shot John Lennon and started reading Catcher in the Rye. I don't believe either example should be blamed on their respective celebrities, but on the disturbed persons who committed those crimes. The only time that a youtuber should be held responsible is if they explicitly tell fans to do something illegal. If you don't believe these examples don't hold any ground in the argument that youtuber's should be held responsible for what their fans do. I can't think of any other arguments other than those two.

[@JustTygue]

I find it worrying how Logan Paul led the crowd of teens through a fountain then across what looked like polished stone steps, if that isn't a cause for concern I don't know what is. But inciting a mob to cause potential damages to people and property is on him. Reckless endangerment for a viral video.

[@bumpnjump9641]

I saw someone who was seeking attention at the expense of others. Logan Paul has to find a better and safer way to do fan meetups.

[@elcidbob]

I'll laugh my ass off if they send him a bill for all of the landscaping damage that crowd did.

[@crystalrundall413]

I think these people need to start using their brain but a crowd draws people it's human instinct. He needs to think about how much danger he put his fans in. It just shows he doesn't care about them or their safety. Having fame needs to come with certain responsibilities. He is responsible for this mob and the harm caused. If we don't place responsiblity on someone for inviting something they purposefully did then we fail as a society. This doesn't mean your responsible when your fans go and harass (or threaten) someone else, unless you tell them to do so and encourage the behavior. This is why you have senators and actors making statements against violence.

[@FratinandMadrik]

In Logan Paul's case I'd say he's at fault. When you know your fan base is a bunch of crazy 12-year olds, you shouldn't pull shit like that. His core fan base would run up to him and scream, whilst your core fan base would say "Hey, it's Phil!" And shake your hand. He's at fault.

[@kaskus7147]

I think if you show up somewhere with the intent to cause a scene and someone gets hurt in said scene, you are at fault.

[@OmnisTheDemigod]

I mean i completely agree that he's at fault, he did some crazy stuff that he should've known would cause a ruckus and is exactly what vidcon wants to avoid, but blaming it on what his audience is comprised of isn't exactly fair. Regardless of the age of your largest viewer base, be it 8 year olds or 72 year olds, the creators should be treated equally as if they did the same stuff.

[@BeyondBrii]

FratinandMadrik I was at Phil's meet-up in London a couple years back and he didn't have security or anything as he didn't think he needed it but yeah, we were all older than 12 but we still crowded him (I was towards the back/middle so I actually was trying to get people to give him space but I'm just one small person) and tried to get a pic/signature, he fled the scene as it was a safety and security risk, which is why eventually he came back and you had to get a pass as he had to pay for security... so no, this just happens with anyone any age who has a large audience, which kinda proves your point even strongly, if (mostly) calm and collected mostly 16-30 year olds can still put Phil in harms way, a bunch of 12 year olds are even worse.

[@LtGlenn]

why was this recommended today?...

[@1000REMBOY]

These old videos really bring me back to simpler times with the tamer news cycles.

[@Mariomario-gt4oy]

Anita is basically the McDonald's of feminism. cheap and unhealthy. she will use any criticism as a way to portray herself as a victim. it's pathetic. she's a hypocrite

[@David-eb1fc]

Greedo Yeah McDonald's isnt that bad

[@ShaunInce123]

Mario Pendic That's an insult to McDonald's. At least McDonald's tastes good.

[@dreamskeepmesane2729]

wake up people mcdonalds is killing yall

[@WarOnCOD]

Uber will at least deliver McNuggets. I've never seen Uber deliver Anita.

[@georgiejeremy811]

Mario Pendic h3h3 video

[@seaofanewmoon2258]

Anita doesn't know the difference between criticism and harassment. Honestly she needs to be called out for all her lies, manipulation, and the scams she has pulled.

[@SirClawedfrog]

It scares me how much money people give her for no reason.

[@stoppingtimee]

Thank you so much for putting in captions ☺️

[@angeliquebrooks2316]

I just found your channel. I think its great. Like the way you bring reasoning behind everything you report. It brings light to the truth. Thank You for creating a great channel

[@h7pubg]

Why does Christian Burns look like a paintbrush bro

[@arcade_matt]

They need to stop inviting these "creators" that make 7 second videos or dance like animals over copyrighted music - and start inviting people that have been at this for a long time and that actually CARE about what they are creating and putting out there online. Anita - nobody FORCED you to go to VidCon -stay home if you can't take the heat - I'm sure there's a ton of other real creators that would have loved to have the opportunity to be invited to VidCon and be on panels. Instead they invite the clowns you see in this video. (Except Phil, he's awesome) -_-

[@arcade_matt]

I actually did go to VidCon this year - spent $750 on an industry badge. I think VidCon needs to do a little more research on the types of creators they are inviting to be featured so crap like this doesn't happen again. It's very unprofessional and gives the entire community a bad rap IMO.

[@travisellerbrock1632]

Matt3756 is

[@unknownuser9715]

Matt3756 hey dude I am your subscriber from grade a undera

[@jamesradner4636]

Sounds like you're talking about good old pie there to me. lol

[@RyusukePrudence]

That last story with the model... It's poetic justice.

[@miggzvaldivia5786]

Thank you. I'm blue collar and proud! Tired of people using it as something negative.

[@mitchellguthrie1156]

Logan Paul knew exactly what the reaction would be and was counting on it. You don't do stunts like that not expecting that reaction. So yes, he should be held accountable. It was premeditated.

[@farawri]

Mitchell Guthrie for the views

[@McMahonHater]

I have no sympathy for Anita. She goes on line, shoots her mouth off, and then when people express opposing viewpoints she calls it harassment. I am embarrassed that she's a Canadian.

[@wyw201]

You have no idea how many girls follow her in Vancouver, now UBC is fostering a sensitive politically correct environment where any attempt at criticism is tied to anti-feminists or right wing politics.

[@armaankang2882]

yiwei wu I actually didn't go to ubc cus I was scared of that.

[@wyw201]

And we just lost another talent :(

[@prettydamngeneric]

McMahonHater We're all embarrassed.

[@alisontravill6295]

Personally I think Anita is in the wrong. She really should try and have a discussion with him instead of call him a shit head. Her saying that stuff like really makes her argument and her causes less reputable. But yet again that's just me

[@alisontravill6295]

Also I do think what Anita did should get her banned from vidcon

[@noless]

She gets money from playing the victim so she will never admit when she is wrong. Her video series is awful and contains plenty of factual errors.

[@nadiarey4196]

You all don't know what you're talking about, because if you did, you'd know she's only responding to a harrasser who has done much worse than call her a name in a panel. Honestly, had I been Sarkeesian, I'd have straight-up asked for security to remove that human trash from the premise. Sargon is a fucking waste of a human being.

[@noless]

+Nadia Rey He has never harassed her. You're just making shit up. Responding to someone isn't harassment. But we already know that Anita can't stand criticism.

[@nadiarey4196]

Oh for Pete's sake. Yes, he has harrassed her. All of these self-appointed critics are harrassers, not only of her but of anyone enjoying her videos. The same people who will cry for open debate yet their so-called critic rarely survives scrutiny or goes beyond calling the girl insults or claiming she is a "con artist" (she isn't, don't even try going there, I'll own you). And people like Sargon egged it on all the way... for five fucking years. Look up her name in google or youtube so you can see the extent ignorant people would go to harrass this girl, because she *dared* said she'd give opinion (gasp! That evil wrench!) on sexism in games... ...or watch one of hbomberguy videos on feminism. That works too.

[@jlwebb98]

You have such an honest approach and worldview, and you truly care about what is right and wrong. That is really honorable, especially in times like these where many choose to throw out anything that doesn't help their argument. Keep leading by example, thank you.

[@laciee]

The only garbage human at the women panel at VidCon was Anita Sarkeesian herself.

[@emmmyc]

I've met Christian in real life's handful of times since we live in similar areas and from my experience he's always been a total douchebag. I'm not surprised.

[@burgerkillsyou]

Emily Chiddy can you elaborate on your experiences, I'm curious on what else he did lol.

[@emmmyc]

burgerkillsyou yeah he is honestly just super self absorbed. The first thing he ever said to me was that he was Instagram famous. He made fun of my friend for following more people on Instagram than followers she had. He also tried to hook up with a friend of mine and became very rude after she explained that she had a boyfriend. He's just generally very egotistical and a bit of a douchebag

[@Real_Halo_MC]

Thanks for recommending this KZbin. Very helpful

[@sacredcowtipper742]

I think a big part of the problem is that people on all sides theoretically want to be fair... but they want to make sure things are as fair as possible for themselves and people like them. This makes it too easy to disregard forms of unfairness that don't fall on themselves, or fall as hard on themselves.

[@mrtiam8223]

Anita is in the wrong. Sargon even went so far to put in at the end of a couple of his videos saying "dont visit the people he critizied." She ended the conversation to people who are critical of her. Then proceeded to slander and lie about someone who didn't even say anything to her.

[@connorclifton1830]

Not even kidding, you're more reliable than most news stations

[@DexieNygma]

Just watched this 2021 and somehow I was so tired that I didn't notice its a old video till after the vidcon segment.

[@MsRockMonkay]

Stories like the last one of everyone making the guard's insta so much more popular than his verbal attacker is what makes me love the internet SO MUCH!

[@saskera19]

"Blue collar, you mean the life blood of America" Amen

[@joeplanet8254]

Amen

[@nickdewerff5583]

So it's ok for a "feminist" to "man-hate" but when people are hating on her, it's harassment? Well ok then 🐸☕️

[@dannyd4339]

Love your content and the way you express your views man. Props.

[@WiseGuy3683]

I didn't know about any of this stuff but after hearing it, I agree with you on every single point.

[@tinchick2]

Our society could not exist without blue collar workers. Thank God for them.

[@JaBarge303]

tinchick or thank them rather...

[@tinchick2]

Yes, I thank them as well.

[@ZelForShort]

tinchick what's blue colar?

[@dimman77]

Alpha Designs Wrench-turning, hammer-smashing, steel-cutting, wood-nailing, building, making, fixing men and women.

[@-Kailinn-]

Eh, Anita responds to everything like she's a victim but there's always a reason anyone gets that much hate, and in her case it isn't just about unpopular opinions: it's about blatant con artistry.

[@void-bear455]

well philip you are the most reliable news i have seen in awhile and keep being the guy who actually gets the facts right

[@robertcasamassa4564]

First time on your channel, man. Love what you had to say. Great quality content. SUBBED

[@LauraaFinn]

''Anti-Bullying, Anti-Harrasing'' *Starts talking shit about somebody on Public Event'' Wow... Ironic

[@NinjaKittkatt]

Seems to be a common thing amoung far-left people who call themselves "anti-something" (Anti-fascists being fascist as fuck, anti-racists being racist as fuck) It's like they claim those titles just to excuse their bigotry. "I can't be a bigot, I'm anti-bigots!"

[@corvus1374]

You don't know the history between them.

[@awkwardpotato8402]

corvus13 regardless it's hypocritical. not to mention it was someone in the crowd not even asking questions. I feel that VidCon should remove her.

[@warspork7858]

She made some assertions about sexism. He made some videos saying that he disagreed with her findings. That is the history between them.

[@bioshockinfintyfan]

corvus13 doesnt matter if he had seen her in his panel and called her a garbage human he would be thrown away.

[@Alcheya]

Criticism IS NOT HARASSMENT. Anita is a professional victim. She should have been kicked out.

[@JasperWaale]

This, if she was left handed she likely look for funding to show how shoes are designed in a way to bully her

[@dannyjack659]

Alcheya She refuses to debare because it hurts her funding. She has been disproven more times than I can count, she hates people more intelligent than her and she is shady as fuck, hence why she censors everything, she wants to say jump and you say how high, so time for asking why.

[@Alcheya]

Oh yea, and I'm sure if she actually was removed or even warned about her actions, she'd just use it to get more funding, and she would, because those people are suckers. Rather than helping poor folks or donating to a cause that actually helps anyone, they'd rather line her pockets. Scumbags, the lot of them.

[@transformersloverjon]

Some of what Sargon has said can be considered libel.

[@AlonAbadi]

Well algorithm what brings this now to me?

[@mitsuomits9077]

Well i think that she had the opportunity to directly confront to the guy that has been harassing her 🙄

[@CarsonKeegen]

omg i have no idea who christian burns is but how awful is he! how could you ever say that to someone

[@timeholesandmonsters]

What Logan Paul did was obviously careless, stupid, and dangerous. The way he laughed while running from security shows very clearly that he has mistaken his fame for godliness. He sees his fans as both validation of that godliness, and as a protective barrier through which the rest of society must break before he is ever to be held accountable.

[@smoketears6874]

My biggest pet peeve is when people use the word irrelevant to sound smart but they always use it incorrectly.

[@PiusOnes]

Why would someone attack, or harass, someone because a celebrity, or anyone, doesn't like someone... that's freaking crazy to me

[@xiii0722]

*Love the story with the security guy* :D Him ending up with a lots of followers and the arrogant young model with no manners at all exposed for his shitty actions !

[@MrIlleatyourcookies]

I'm sorry but that "instagram model" isn't even attractive. Not sure where his ego comes from, because he's at most a 6/10

[@maherbarakat5997]

MrIlleatyourcookies 😂😂

[@andrewk2886]

MrIlleatyourcookies He's barely a 4. C'mon now.

[@airianadrake4086]

and his hair? omg he looks like he belongs in a 80s boyband

[@cerberus6400]

his hair looked like cauliflower LUL

[@Aar0nDavis]

I feel like she would be insulted that you compared her, a legendary super saiyan, to such a mortal as him.

[@cjandauntieyaya1446]

Here's a perfect example of cyber bullying and cyber stalking and stalking in real life. Society still doesn't acknowledge how a sociopath can easily start shit online and cause a lot of emotional damage to a person. Then just show up and smirk and just sit there and use their mere presence as a trigger because they KNOW they've already created a hostile atmosphere. This is how sociopaths get their victims to look like the bad guys. I had an asshole at work that would whisper to me sexually harassing things even threatening my job because he was my supervisor. But in public and in front of our department manager, he was all sweet and respectful. He'd even say nice things to my bosses about me. So when i complained about him to HR and my managers, they would shake their heads and thought I was unreasonable. This is how a sociopath works, folks! I have no doubt Anita felt harassed and her feelings are valid. The problem is she needed to keep her cool and fight fire with fire. Wait until he comes up for a question, or one of his Flying Monkeys and THEN logically and reasonably discuss how the online harassment and cyber bullying makes it so hard for her and other women to keep their cool now that their bullies are in front of them acting all sweet and nice. Anita should have requested an apology for specific comments done online. She should have searched her phone for screenshots of online convos and read them out loud during the panel and asked if said parties wanted to apologize. Poor Anita took the bait hook line and sinker.

[@matthewcrites4197]

Yeah, especially since his first video, as well as many of his earlier videos from 2014-16 was about her. At least now that he's gone full on ethno-nationalist, he's lost all relevancy and is almost completely forgotten

[@balladguitar910]

I keep clicking on these videos and finding all of these people? How are there so many 'famous' people that don't do anything?

[@FoetusInYourNoodles]

Harassment or legitimate criticism? Anita Sarkeesian said in one of her first videos, that rescuing a female from kidnappers, for example Mario rescuing the princess in super mario bros, is an act of objectification. Rescuing women from their captors is objectification of women and sexism... From that day onward, she kept trying to top herself with more bat shit insane stupidity, and yes, many people felt the need to point out how bat shit insane her arguments were... She has had her comments section disabled on every single one of her videos, ever since that first video. Anita Sarkeesian does not receive harassment, she receives public backlash for her insane and insulting content which she publishes on the internet. Anita then pretends that this public backlash is misogynistic harassment. I don't know why Phil didn't mention this fact.

[@ameneko98]

FoetusInYourNoodles Anita is a controversial public figure, so I'm willing to bet she does receive death threats, bullying, and legitimate harassment. The way people treat public figures and celebrities can be abhorrent, but Anita acting as if it's some sexist conspiracy against women and not an issue with how people interact on the internet and with public figures in general is absurd and a misrepresentation of the situation.

[@aritra.rb17]

FoetusInYourNoodles cuz he wants to be 'neutral'

[@OblivionFalls]

Anita DOES receive harassment, but tends to come in the form on anonymous threats and trolling. The videos critiquing her arguments should not be conflated as such.

[@DragorElite]

"vividly against bullying" *insults the fuck out of an innocent person when on the spot in front of hundreds of people while on video*

[@bassfight2936]

Thanks for offering nuance in these topics.

[@NerdyBirdie.]

Well this video jut appeared in my recommendations 3 years later.

[@yurmom_]

Is it me or is he just not as likable as present day Phil

[@marcusakerman9786]

When will some people learn that criticism and harassment are not the same thing?

[@frankgover5107]

Mack TB the only defensive argument for the YT feminists is that the FOLLOWERS of Argon and others may harass them, not the actual YTbers. But yeah, I loath their hypocrisy, lies, safe spaces, and bullying tactics. I like what Morgan Freeman said when asked about racism (while I believe it is not a major issues in America TODAY it exists inside of bad people) he said, " just don't talk about it." and I believe what he meant was that hyper-analyzing a decreasing issue creates a mentality that any unfortunate event that happens to a minority is a result of prejudice. I can't remember the exact name of the event but a black person was shot, and the media outrage was enormous, suggesting that the man was shot because he was black and that it was an example of white supremacy. That was until the information about the cop that shot the man was released and he was Asian.

[@KrisMadas]

I really hate the "they're just stupid teens with undeveloped brains" excuse. I'm 15 and nothing in my life would make me chase a 23-year-old though a fountain through a stampede of hundreds of people. He's just a person who got luckier than other people. Not a god.

[@brianyperard1216]

Same !!! I'm fifteen and I am not that obsessed with anyone to put myself in a situation like that tbh

[@TasX]

that's what they all say before people like him talks to you. There are whole meme genres based on that

[@TheDiamondInvader]

I remember when I was around 13 my class and I were on a fieldtrip I saw my favorite actor at the time and I wanted to go meet him but I don't really care if famous people notice me. Seconds later my class almost tackles him and I was the only one that got his autograph. Guess it pays to not be savage.

[@whiskizyo2067]

i see, just because you do or dont do something, specifically and personally, means the rest of the world should be like that and is weird if not. That really is a 15yo thought process ;)

[@brianyperard1216]

You're right personally I don't feel the need to potentially injure myself just to meet an otherwise regular person. Sorry my bad.

[@ChrisGrump]

Why did the KZbin algorithm push this on me 4 years later...?

[@CassandraInPink]

Something about watching your channel is super soothing to me. It's like you have a super adult true north handle on everything and that's so comforting for some reason. Anywho - I really do believe that we as a society have not adapted to people being "famous" in a "casual" context, like KZbin content creators. It's also different because being social-media famous is built almost entirely though direct interaction with your audience. An actor who has been "handled" and knows they'll create unsafe situations would never walk in a public space like that. It's a new generation of fame, so to speak, and I think everyone is still experiencing growing pains from it and will be for quite some time.

[@kayleesmith3663]

logan paul announced on twitter 3 years ago that he was coming to a mall by my house near Cleveland, Ohio. I wasn't a fan but was mistakingly in the mall that day when I started talking to a girl whose mom worked at the mall and said Logan Paul & his brother didnt announce to ANYONE at the mall that they were coming so had no security and created a mess. Old habits never change?

[@EdslilNeko]

As a feminist I definitely think Anita shouldn't get any preferential treatment here. She used unnecessary inflammatory language against someone who, presumably, was just sitting there minding his business. If he was being disruptive that's one thing, and I can definitely understand how seeing someone who has harassed you previously can make you feel threatened. But that doesn't give you the right to attack them randomly. It just hurts the cause.

[@BFCnational]

LexofGotham I think that's the key point here. She says he harassed her when all he does is criticize her very flawed arguments. That's about as far as it gets from harassment.

[@Hammerhook12]

He has never harassed her. He has criticized her, that's not harassment. He has even gone out of his way plenty of times telling people not to contact her let alone harass her.

[@stylishneo]

11:55 *When the person you screamed YOU’RE IRRELEVANT AND UGLY AF, becomes more popular than you*

[@balthazaar8338]

Wow. That last story gave me goosebumps! Seriously! Thank you Phil for your awesome videos!

[@jakeupinfinity]

If you tell your fans to do something without proper precaution or bait them to do something you take on some responsibility.

[@PrometheusXV]

Not sure which side you're taking, but it's worth noting, Sargon has said repeatedly that he does not condone or support in any manner, any form of harassment from his fans, or people acting in his name, against anyone at all. Anita, on the other hand, literally begged people to harass others for her.

[@jakeupinfinity]

Wolf Blade This was about Logan Paul.

[@Azron945]

Might be talking about the Logan Paul & Ricegum stuff.

[@Odrikah]

Wolf Blade I think he was talking about the Logan Paul question more near the end of the video

[@huntforbigfloptober1333]

I think it's stupid how Anita complains about videos talking about feminist figures. Most of those are countering their arguments. That's not harassment, not misogyny, it's a conversation. That's what debate is about. Anita's arguments are full of holes. She should put her money where her mouth is and seriously respond to these counterarguments with actual facts. Also "shithead"? Real mature.

[@MonarchsFactory]

I see what you're saying, and I'm glad that you would personally attend the panels of someone you've clashed with in order to keep an open mind, but I think you're giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to other people in assuming they'd be the same way. Take as an example, over the last year and a half I've had a particular person harass me across every single social platform on which I'm present - over that period the messages have developed from common or garden creepy, to threatening suicide, to violent/sexually threatening, to just the same innocuous phrase 800+ times over one night, to at least one message every day for the entirety of 2016 and beyond. By the end they were just leaving a single word on any and every post I made anywhere; it in itself didn't mean anything, but (like an anti-safeword) it was the culmination of all of those horrible things that came earlier and served as a deliberate reminder that no matter where I went or what I did I wouldn't be able to escape it. Clearly it's different, but you can see how something which, from an outside perspective, looks harmless can be perceived as immensely threatening with the whole picture in mind. I'm making no comment on whether what Sarkeesian said was just, but I certainly have empathy towards someone who, when feeling understandably vulnerable and threatened (whether that was intended against them or not), reacted with defensive anger.

[@teampeeta17crafts]

Yo, I went to VidCon this year (2017) and I did not hear about any of these problems. I was so busy meeting KZbinrs, getting food, and trying not get run over by fangirls

[@xenkailx]

Logan Paul should use his head a bit more. No matter what is your intentions are, stupid is stupid. If you already drawing too much crowd attention and security is trying to escort you off. Don't be an idiot trying to free yourself from security and run off to god knows where. While your fans are following you like a bunch of crazy idiots. Stupidity shall not be tolerated and he have to take responsibility or he will learn nothing. Safety is no.1 priority of any convention.

[@abrahambrown713]

XenkailX Play Games For Muffin he did all of this for publicity

[@santakillingcreepers]

Did you even watch his Vlog?

[@livelaughForte]

XenkailX Play Games For Muffin they tackled him to the floor and that wasnt his fault

[@DoraM12]

livelaughForte Really now? A bunch of security guys who are busy doing their jobs just tackle the kid for shits and giggles, out of nowhere. He didn't do anything except for being a great guy, right?

[@girlmeetsanime509]

livelaughForte It didn't look like tackling. More like they tripped trying to get away from the crazy fans.

[@derianardor]

Anita has no respect from me. Not because of this but her actions in the past

[@CosmicUndeadElf]

Man in audience politely asks a legitimate question... gets silenced. Anita gets angry and keeps saying shit... received applause from the crowd. Sounds about right.

[@kenzyrae6464]

i was at the entrance when ricegum walked in and it was crazy if i hadn't gotten out of the way i would have gotten sucked into the mob and most likely trampled