WE'RE COOKING! | Madolche DECK 2024 (Infinite Forbidden)

Infinite Forbidden brings us new MADOLCHE support!
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[@colossaldonut5190]

It's crazy how basically adding a quick effect to a pre-existing card is enough to make this deck a potential threat. Madolche is one of those archetypes that feels super close to being good but is just barely off and this definitely helps it get there.

[@chaotixthefox]

That's how Madolche always is. Because Konami just keeps building on top of an inherently flawed foundation. To free the deck from this zone you need to print a card(s) that condenses several miscellaneous pieces of engine and alleviates the choke points. The archetype needs to pull too many vulnerable pieces together to do its thing.

[@PokemonGoGetter]

@@chaotixthefox At this point it is to late to remove the Madolche restrictions since cards like Petting are already printed. So they can only add cards to the archetype so it can do better while playing under that restriction. Madolche and Exosister both suffer from this key issue that they cannot be used with other archetypes except cards like the Vernusylph for Madolche and the spirit package for Exosisters.

[@blueskyalchemist623]

@@PokemonGoGetterI actually prefer that. Seeing all the top tier decks with little or no restriction is just plain boring. Snake Eye Fire King has like 2-3 good effs each card and little to no restriction. Yubel? No restriction. Tenpai Dragon? No restriction either.

[@PokemonGoGetter]

@blueskyalchemist623 That is fine, but generic decks like snake-eye/fire king or dragon link should be a bit weaker in their effects if they are so generic, while decks like Madolche or Exosister should be a bit stronger with their effects if they are playing by a heavy restriction. Snake eye is just a worse version of full power tearl, but snake eye is still strong for what it does. At least with the Savage and Fleur banned, the next generic deck white woods is much weaker without those, too. While link once again gets a new omni negate (is mandatory) with the new light and darkness dragon, which is easy to fetch out and fusion summon after doing all their combos

[@justice8718]

@@PokemonGoGetter White woods is literally getting new handtraps that catter to its spell/trap based play style.

[@IyoMaestro]

Little correction: A lot of people saw this support coming since it was recenctly announced that the Madolche core gets reprinted in the OCG together with Thunder Dragons, Drytron and Muskets then we got Drytron support, Fiendsmith and a new Thunder monster that works well with Thunder Dragons. So we knew that we would either get direct Madolche support or something that works well with Madolche.

[@arogel1999]

Been playing Madolche since it came out for me in middle school. So happy to finally bounce during the opponent's turn

[@xkd_clashx2499]

Bro same I’m hella hype

[@edoardom3677]

Same here! Been a fan since middle school

[@thenorthfox2609]

Was literally just reading the new cards and was like I hope Lithium covers these!

[@Stylercom113]

He covers all new good cards lol..

[@DarkwingDuc]

just adding quick effect is peak card design

[@joeconnerson9773]

You pronouncing the names of the madolche cards plus your accent is something of perfection... I am weeping... Need more madolche commentary from you

[@Chamber068]

The true chokepoint is puddingcess xyz, not petingcessoeur. Veiler imperm the xyz and their turn is basically over

[@116_Gaming]

Petingcessour locks us into Madolche. That's definitely a chokepoint most of the time if you want to make a solid end board

[@h1de2m33]

Madolche feels like it's locked in this weird loop of: Gets new support... game speeds up drastically and the new support never gets to shine because the deck gets drastically outpaced... and then it gets new support... and then the game speeds up drastically and the new support never gets to shine... and then it gets new support... etc etc etc.

[@invertbrid]

Well yea, sadly the core problem of madolche still there. Weak to handtraps and interruption, especially nib.

[@PokemonGoGetter]

If they can just get an archetype handtrap Madolche card that stops other handtraps, that would be fair considering when you are playing madolche at the core, you can only use madolche and Vernusylph engine. It can not be mixed like other decks do with snake eye/voiceless/runick/fiendsmith/etc. Because even though orange light is an option, if you use the Vernusylph cards, you are locked into earth. Plus, Madolche isn't pure fairy, unlike decks like melodious, who will gladly run orange light since it's a pure fairy deck.

[@vinnyreis3016]

​@@invertbridthe deck needs more starters. The supports were good, but we needed main deck monsters too, another starter searchable by vernushylph would do wonders

[@invertbrid]

@@vinnyreis3016 yea and way to play around handtraps too. Like misc effects konami likes recently.

[@DragonAlchemist0]

3:03 the hootcake didnt have to hit the field a second time since you have the mewcaron out.

[@alfiobonanno5100]

At this point it's pretty much muscle memory, it'll take a bit of time to unlearn that XD.

[@thewave-qz9lt]

are you going to do a video on memento ? i feel like the new support does alot for the deck.

[@samcolr2475]

Ive been testing between board breakers and handtraps, come to the conclusion that sky striker package seems to work best. Decks flexible and hand traps are good but petting can clash with them, forcing you to rely on vernusylphs or anjelly, both incredibly weak to ash. Board breakers dont clash but forces you into second and with yubel and tenpai meta, probably not the best pick. Sky striker engine can break boards second with capacity going first & the extra bodies can make the new link 3 really easily opening up play lines that might not have been more available, definately worth a try!

[@testifacatehour101]

The mechanics of this deck are so awesome, i play this on Master duel and the wins feel good. Cant wait now, naybe one more extender main deck monster?

[@Vibe69420]

1:51 huge WHAT?

[@rafahrs8093]

Finally new support

[@esrohm6460]

so magileine now ends on a double spin, a mudora, a hot red, infinite followup, a puddingcess your opponent needs to deal with and... what do you mean ash, well i guess 1 magileine ends on oh nothing. why did we get 2 more end pieces when the biggest issue with madolche is that you need to somehow see 0 interruptions to do anything. what we needed was an in archetype vernusylph like card that also has an optinal the level reduction effect of petingcessour so that that is no longer the obvious choke point ps.: is it now actually play 3 messengelato? i can'T for the life of me find a way to get messengelato into the deck pre link 3 in the magileine as starter line. if you could with just 2 messengelato you would end on both traps the 3 spells and the 2 xyz. but with vernusylph drawing messengelato wouldn't be all that bad now that there is an extradeck beast

[@KevinHasbiYudhistira-qk8iz]

You can Bring Butlerusk to adding Secret Village is you want

[@Lithium2300]

Correct, I would maybe sidedeck butler engine for that

[@tommasopenati9635]

@@Lithium2300 why not maining it?

[@PokemonGoGetter]

@@tommasopenati9635 You never know if you will go 1st or not with the dice roll so its better as a side deck option to avoid bricking.

[@tommasopenati9635]

@@PokemonGoGetter i know but the upside of having it going first outweigh the cons of playing 2 bricks imo

[@116_Gaming]

Terrible card. Terrible option. Don't play it. Not optimal at all.

[@Stylercom113]

MAGIC DEUTSCHE choclate ice cake

[@EulensteinTCG]

Cake Deutsche in WW2

[@brandedclay]

why 3 veilers vs 3 imperms? wouldn't it be better to run 3 imperms and 1 veiler?

[@theermac6024]

Now all madolche needs is a level 4 Puddingcess retrain that can ss itself, even if just from hand

[@vinnyreis3016]

Yes, that brick you're forced to play really puts the deck down, you just have to negate her summon... We should have a lvl 4 main monster that increase it's own level or another madolche on the field

[@116_Gaming]

If you have a brick in your Madolche Deck, then you're terrible at deck building. None of the playable Madolches are Bricks by default. Even a Gelato in hand without a cat is still playable IF your known what your doing and you build your deck right

[@vinnyreis3016]

@@116_Gaming if you say so

[@johnclapham212]

I run the foolish vernusylph and the earth barrier statue. Draw barrier? Ok, just normal. Discard for vernusylph? Ok, add it back with the new link then normal later

[@TuffLP]

maybe Orange Light?

[@KillerUnicorn586]

I wonder how good invoker would be or if it isn't necessary anymore

[@SkyrimSoldier]

Can you show the card on screen that you're talking about instead of flicking between 5 random cards per second?

[@tommasopenati9635]

I think the best madolche combo still involves secret village. This one is solid but being able to shut down your opponent’s spells is more impactful. You can also achieve both the field spell and the new rank 5 pretty easily

[@Lithium2300]

Correct, but that adds 2 ‘bricks’ more to the deck (butler and secret village or necrovalley)

[@tommasopenati9635]

@@Lithium2300 right but if you draw either of them then you can also end up with promenade/new trap and since it’s a one card combo it’s unlikely they brick your hand

[@116_Gaming]

You're wrong. The best Madolche combo doesn't include any of the monsters or cards for that matter mentioned on this comment.

[@tommasopenati9635]

@@116_Gaming what would the best combo be then?

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

My main thing is that yeah this new support is great for going first but it does *nothing* for you if you're going second, which was the main issue with Madolche.

[@thiccupcake]

play more non engine to deal with second

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

@@thiccupcake madolche has a big core. You can't play a lot of non engine in the deck, not compared to more flexible decks with more 1 card combos anyway

[@thiccupcake]

@@hannessteffenhagen61 madolche's got 9 1 card combos, 2 hootcakes are like a 1/2 cards combo and the vernusylph is a 2 card combo with any monster/handtrap plus you can play prosperity. that leaves you with around 12 to 15 non engine slots, depending on if you want to include the vernusylph at all and assuming you always play 3 prosperity. I wouldnt say thats bad

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

@@thiccupcake in what universe is hoot cake a 1 card? You need to get stuff in grave for him to be live. There's no vernusylph that's a 1 card either, you either need two of them or a good madolche discard. The only 1 card is Peting/Magileine into Peting. Hoot cake is great as a normal if paired with a vernusylph or when going second after using hand traps, but if you're going second with hts Peting isn't live on her own anymore. That's the problem, even though there's a lot of cards to combo with you very often end up in situations where literally every interruption in the game stops you

[@thiccupcake]

@@hannessteffenhagen61 I literally said they are a 1/2 card and 2 card combo respectively

[@leeeyles1864]

Lithium, could you make a video for Armed Dragons with the new Knight Armed Dragon and Dragon’s Glory of Light and Dark, please.

[@llamaryder1]

IMO madolche had 2 fatal flaws: the combos, like you said in the video, has really really crucial choke points that cause 1-2 interruptions at key moments to be scoop-worthy, and very weak intereuptions will do that. And the second flaw is that going first, they just really didnt have much interruption. You just put up the trap and some protection monsters and pray that you make it to the next turn. The fact that konami is addressing both of these key flaws gives me a ton of hope! Madolche is a super fun deck, i love their playstyle of swarming the field and insane recurrability that gets even better the more of their s/t you get out. Having some of the best removal available for very little investment is always great. The fact they added this to a quick effect now definitely gives them a much needed boost to modern times! Madolche was always an OTK deck. Let's face it: there's no such thing as an OTK deck in 2024. If your deck *cant* otk against minimal board presence, it is not going to have a fun time. Even sky striker, a deck specifically made to only use one monster every turn and chip away at the opponent, can otk with the greatest of ease. Merlanteans adapted and became a hand rip deck. Cyber dragon tried to adapt and becomes infinity+therion turbo turn one. Hell, even gren maju decks pump out a few rank 8s for disruption when forced to go first. OTK decks, or really any one trick pony deck, needs to adapt or survive. Im very happy they recognized this and gave madolches support, i figured after the last wave with the one card starter we might not get any more legacy support. Im happy to be wrong and that they actually solve problems within the deck!

[@Okarin_Time_Wizard]

Here we go again XD

[@nerfirelia8235]

Great support, but it doesn't fix Madolche's issue of having a hard time playing into established boards unfortunately. Definitely excited to try this out.

[@116_Gaming]

Good thing my builds are better. And built to board break

[@alexandreblossom6461]

Decent support for the deck

[@sunflowersvixen]

So interesting 🤔🌻😎🎮

[@PikachuTBolts]

Hey, just wanted to let you know, theres 1 card combos for going 1st that end on both traps and new tiara without puddingcess/chocolat. The new trap can then special glassoufle and use the trigger of glassoufle to spin. Going for the full combo is just strictly worse in comparison to the smaller combos that play around a lot more handtraps and work more fluently with extenders.

[@Pyrokatze]

Good video

[@PeTr0o0L]

I see a lack of “we’re baking!” comments 🤣

[@SirenLuna107]

Nah bro you ain't cooking you baking

[@alfredodelacruz6763]

What is this app called?

[@danstern102]

hope exosister will be get support like this :')

[@pedroflores8350]

Yu-gi-oh! Duel Links fairy cheer girl new

[@kukusaras]

you can do small loops if you start combo with angely and get full trap cards + search a fieldspell with the tea guy which is a spellcaster

[@thiccupcake]

why did you leave out the new trap?

[@kenja0685]

It may be viable to use the Normal Summon Mew to get 2 Madolche onto the field to get close to the Link 3. That way, if you also open Messengelato, you get to add Salon. And if they don't hit that with Ash/Imperm/Veiler, the followup Vern or Petting may be too detrimental, and if they do, the followup Vern into Petting is full combo anyway. They'd need 2 disruptions to stop them from playing but they'd have up to 2 more followups.

[@116_Gaming]

​@@kenja0685vern is trash engine.