We're Getting Antiracism DANGEROUSLY Wrong | Aaron Bastani Meets Arun Kundnani

[@cynthiacelestine6434]

Divided and ruled this is what the British did all over the world and still doing look at the Conservative Party and the minority people in the party and what is expected of them

[@stewie7338]

Identity Politics is the credo of the Left my friend. Mussolini was an avowed Marxist. Mosley was Labour and the Democrats were the party of the slavers. Truths that must never be told in our brave new world

[@pattikahlo8175]

Look at how they still manage to manufacture division here so effectively that ppl are kept busy so crapping on each other that they don’t notice that they themselves are just as despised and disrespected by them as the ppl everyone is so busy looking down on.

[@TonThonFraisdEau]

The minorities in the UK are the majority in the Commonwealth ... as the minorities COME from your fuck.... Commonwealth which is your fuck... former colonial Empire ... Get on Earth ... the UK is FULLY responsible for them having to come here ... start recognizing that instead of patronizing the people YOU, the UK, colonized (noticed they never asked for it ... ??? )

[@alicecooper8529]

Malcolm X amd his take on the wolf and the Fox is so relevant here.

[@shanejones578]

Never in history has it been more relevant.

[@user-ec9rz7xh7e]

Such an insightful conversation. Thanks Novara!

[@metrohex]

Aaron’s interviews are superb….as are his choice of interviewees.

[@TonThonFraisdEau]

Still no word about colonization as the primary root reason of racism ... This doesn't shock you ??? No wonder your Left keeps loosing ...

[@PortilloMoment]

Truly excellent. How lovely to have a media outlet that brings to light ideas that so many ignore, suppress, pervert or deride. Many thanks.

[@MassachusettsBeachDreamer]

I have instinctively known the link between social isolation and destruction of one's ability to fight effectively against the exploitation by the ruling class.

[@exofurian]

Really interesting and circumspect conversation, It gives me hope to hear an antiracism discussion that doesn't turn my brain into soup.

[@brianwarden7250]

Quite wonderful. Very Grateful. Thank you!

[@patcampton7163]

Its great to hear these great debates on Downstream. You dont getvthis level of debate in the MSM anymore.

[@AntifascistAllDay]

Defunding the Police meant quit giving them military toys they use against people, but additionally police are not good at dealing with many situations where people are having a mental health issue and the police see it as disrespect and escalate with violence and killing in too many situations. We need people capable of assessing a situation without your power being threatened( cause that's an issue) and respond accordingly without violence.

[@TonThonFraisdEau]

Won't happen, stop dreaming, find something that can work ...

[@dbcooper2756]

Most police in the US are useless do nothings. They’re far from being the aggressive abusers of criminals. That would actually be better than what we have now. Domestic violence call? They’ll threaten to arrest the victim for instigating as a means of getting the victim to not press charges. Robbery? They’ll show up and treat it as a civil matter while having no interest in taking witness statements. School massacre? They hang out in the hallway right next to the classroom where the slaughter is taking place with the hopes the shooter just runs out of ammo (or victims). Drug selling/prostitution? They’ll sit in their squad cars well within view of the activity and watch videos on their phones. Get jumped and mugged? They’ll do everything in their power to get you to suggest that there was no robbery and that the violence was just a mutual conflict. Stolen car resulting from a drug addicted family member? They’ll insist that you must have loaned it out to them in the past and therefor the car becomes misused community property that can only be sorted out in civil court. Get pepper sprayed by a “first amendment auditor” for taking their picture or simply standing within 20 feet? The police will arrive and ask the offender if what he did was justified self defense. If the offender educates the officer with sov cit nonsense the officer will most often assume they’re talking to a legal scholar. After that the injured victim is more likely to get arrested than the offender. Getting pulled out of your car and beaten to death by “peaceful protesters”? The police within view will spectate, smoke cigarettes, talk about football, and rarely even call for medical services.

[@ThyCorylus]

@@TonThonFraisdEau I'm not saying you're necessarily implying, zero police. But what are the, feasible, realistic alternatives?

[@urruvar]

So no clear ideas no clear argument no clear credentials except being born priviledged

[@willsmith39]

"Welcome to humanity" Why thank you !

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: If Anti Semitic is a term used Even against Semitic People If they speak against a Govt,Policies Anti Semitic is term used for Suppression,no?

[@johnholmesinchesahead342]

I was born Black - but since turning White - life has got really better!

[@nowthenzen]

Race is how the rulers divide the ruled, always has been

[@skyblazeeterno]

I disagree as there are some largely homogeneous countries which have heirarchy. Take any large group say with a single common denominator and there will still be divide and rule based on something. Race IS however the quickest and easiest way to divide and rule.

[@grebo65]

It was an extremely thought-provoking interview. Kudos to all involved.

[@MassachusettsBeachDreamer]

It is helpful to have these things made explicit.

[@sichambers9011]

Last bit about mosley was fascinating.

[@blardyhell3095]

looking forward to this one!!!!! thank you so much novara media for all the hard work you do.

[@rayana4941]

Phenomenal conversation, and extremely informative!

[@uhtredragnorson9930]

Very enjoyable. What is Britain’s culture which is being threatened? I am a Brit on all sides of my family and I love the arts but I have no idea what our culture is! Fish and chips and morris dancing? Hating Johnny Foreigner? Drinking tea? Please tell me! My own culture is international - music, opera, painting and so on.

[@ES-qm5hr]

I hate how the term Fascism and Nazism get thrown around like synonyms, it's really important to maintain the differences between these kinds of abstract ideologies, and their historical realities. It oversimplifies problems, and hinders finding solutions, which is especially problematic in times like now when we have very complex problems to solve. Start throwing British Imperialism into the mix as equivalents, and the whole thing becomes incredibly reductive.

[@Padraigp]

It also totally ignores that both left and right economic ideologies can be authoritarian which is the scary bit. I've noticed americans seem to only have a concept of left wing authoritarianism and not right wing at all. They often as you say clump them all together because obviously they all have a horrible authoritarian bent but they thing left means authoritarian. I'm european and I grew up not knowing authoritarian and right wing weren't synonymous which while I knew stalin was left wing I still also thought of the phrase " right wing authoritarian" much more than I ever even conceived of left wing authoritarian. I dont see why we can't have some things be socialised that people need like healthcare and housing bg and other things like pop vinyls or food processors be capitalistic and just have a reasonable amount of authoritarianness for laws and regulations but culturally not interfere in things people do that don't impact others like building a weird shaped house or worshipping Buddha or being a big gay assess chap wearing unicorn identifying accountant. So long as the accounts get done does the rest matter ...and why would only one economic theory work for every situation? It all seems so divided as to confuse people into fighting instead of applying solutions that function.

[@daviddevoy5966]

This idea of "British values" is total bollox. I was brought up on a working class council estate in an industrial town (now a wasteland) in the South West of Scotland. Gowing to university in Glasgoow was a culture shock to me. When I moved to Hertfordshire for work in the 1980s the culture shock I felt was probably similar to what some people would feel moving to Africa. P.S. love Novara Media and Aaron's intervies with fascinting people. Keep up the good work.

[@briskyoungploughboy]

Arun is a river in West Sussex. Maybe a macron over the 'U' would aid pronunciation? Non-standard in British English though...

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: Anti Semitism - Sternly dealt with Islamophobia,Racism - if not Equally Sternly dealt with Equality,Elitist?

[@Anygodwilldo]

Islamophobia does not exist

[@Cheebasonic]

As with all issues , they are interconnected …racism has strong links with the class system , throughout history and in turn capitalism which is effectively controlled by the class establishment

[@mj.l]

the class system is a part of capitalism

[@DaProHobbit]

Hmm I think you need individual transformation for successful movements. There are so many examples of activist spaces (I have been in many) where people in positions of power are harming others and are not prepared to be held accountable. It marginalises people from the movement and leads to internal conflicts that destroy the organisation. People hide behind the fact that they're trying to build collective power, and say that we shouldn't call people in for racist behaviour because it's just a distraction. Part of movement is learning how to live together after capitalism, not just building power. So yes, this does involve white people 'doing work'.

[@peterjones3438]

Another great downstream interview, really interesting and serious food for thought

[@hemanthathirumaran7654]

An excellent debate

[@stevenredpath9332]

I believe a certain Martin Luther King made similar comments about liberals and their anti racist actions.

[@alexluck4420]

Thank you so much- what an on point conversation.

[@robertwinslade3104]

Interesting convo! Always enjoy Downstream!

[@smerdyakovkb9782]

awesome discussion. book ordered!

[@liannawilliams5210]

People... do yourselves a favour and read the book bio before commenting. Looking forward to watching and listening.

[@Dinvan]

You aint my mom, dont tell me what to do! lol

[@RedSntDK]

🦗🦗🦗🎵🎵🎵

[@LarryElectronica]

So happy to hear about Magnus Hirschfeld and the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft. Rassismus was ahead of its time.

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

There are two poles of social organizing/ values. There's Elitism, built on Divide to Rule, markets, compliance, social and ecological exploitation. Then there's Egalitarianism, built on unity, social/ ecological health / sustainability, universal dignity.

[@MartinJames389]

Even in the 1950s and up to the mid '60s the word "racism" was not widely used here. "Colour prejudice" was a more common term (inadequate as that was) and instances of racist discrimination, especially in housing and employment, were called a "colour bar", including by people opposed to them. "Today's liberal antiracism", which the book examines, may use a more appropriate word but hasn't moved far from those old terms. Inevitably, then, structural origins and present class and political systemic realities don't even appear on the far horizon. The outcome is another recuperative "washing" diversion akin to "greenwashing", albeit with important and even more fundamental differences.

[@tancreddehauteville764]

Colour prejudice meant little when the recipients of racism were other (foreign) white people, such as Arun for instance.

[@Dilip122S]

What a superb and enlightening discussion. More high quality content from Novara.

[@pattikahlo8175]

Stuff said around 26mins… THANK YOU Been saying that (less eloquently I guess coz it rarely hits hard) for ages

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

I did not know the part about Enoch Powell's economics, but it comes as no surprise.

[@alexcampbell-black8543]

It seems like this is more of a class issue, and if you focus on racism it divides working class people

[@gideonmajor9230]

Totally wrong ! Race and Class are 2 sides of the same coin !

[@LimeyRedneck]

Great interview! 🤠💜

[@lobintool]

Fascinating discussion. Thanks for sharing it!

[@SiRushBass]

Super interesting talk. For a long time I've seen the language control as a pointless distraction, and identity politics as in fact increasing racist attitudes. What I'm missing here is the jump from individual choices feeding racism being unimportant, to structural racism being the key driver.... surely both are issues? It's evident that also inequality and the accident of birth affects people of all colours and whites struggle in the unfair capitalist system. But just because implicit biases and Orwellian language control is a distraction, it doesn't mean that there are not other good methods to solve bad individual decisions??? Can anyone point me to talks or evidence that cover this point? Thanks

[@kyledrums]

If anyone at Novara sees this, I highly reccomend The Myth and Propaganda of Black Buying Power by Dr. Jared Ball.

[@AntifascistAllDay]

Neo liberalism....a child's view of how society works.

[@newtonswig]

A smart discussion, undermined by a one sided view of culture. Yes, threat to culture is being weaponised, but that doesn’t mean culture is unimportant.

[@pigmingus1363]

When did he say culture was unimportant?.. or what did he say that indicates that he sees culture as unimportant?

[@newtonswig]

@@pigmingus1363 honestly I watched this weeks ago and I’m not trawling back through looking for quotes. Can you find me a moment where he shows concern for cultural cohesion?

[@pigmingus1363]

@@newtonswig I thought you might recall at least vaguely what it was he said that indicates that he thinks 'culture is unimportant'. Now you've moved the goalposts to 'cultural cohesion' which is a different matter. One that is obviously related, but that doesn't mean he has to address it withing the limited time given. The bloke was there to dicuss his work, not provide a socratic dialogue. If you want more than one side then watch a debate, not a video which is quite clearly about one person's perspective.

[@newtonswig]

@@pigmingus1363 sorry mate, no offence intended- just wasn’t to my taste. Media that just looks at one side is good propaganda, but doesn’t really leave me with space to think. Bastani might not be Socrates, but normally he’s a bit better at challenging a thesis. If you know Arun, buy him a drink for me: his work is insightful. Still I think he could suffer to add a bit of a view of the tensions with what is true about the ‘culture under threat’ narrative he is dismissing. Of course what do I know, criticism is much easier than creativity. But this is a KZbin comment, so what were you expecting? It’s this, clapping emojis, or nonsense. It was never going to represent a full human engagement.

[@JohnWesleyBarker]

Bought the book, looking forward to reading it, brilliant to remind us that culture is not a fixed notion, esp. in an anthropological sense. Thanks Arun (and Aaron)

[@commorevpenguin9602]

THIS WASN'T LONG ENOUGH

[@muireann9763]

Thank you, thank you, thank you - goin out to buy d book NOW - (absolutely fuckin brilliant)

[@eromonsele1521]

I would also argue that as well as antiracism not being able to work without being Anti-Capitalist but also antri-religion especially anti rigid culture meaning culture that is stuck in its ways and not accepting of Science or new information that challenges a worldview

[@MrMartyOh]

Very helpful exposition of the underpinnings of Enoch Powell’s racism as economic, neoliberal proto-Thatcher in fact. I had no idea…

[@susanfairman2051]

Brilliant, thank you. I'd love to find a similar analysis of racism in South Africa.

[@Wraithing]

Excellent addition to the public discourse. This seems a great companion book to Walter Benn Michaels' 'The Trouble with Diversity.' Change the language, but reinforce the systemic inequality. Enrich the bourgeoisie of any heritage as long as they are neck deep in the institutions that milk the masses and happy to perpetuate the mechanisms of systematised wealth extraction. Divide and rule, whilst reskinning their iPhones with inclusion slogans and reciting memorised self-help pleasantries to their victims.

[@CCLilja]

Would any left-wing activist, intellectual or university engage on behalf of the chronically ill and disabled? Identity Politics is bollocks.

[@Ocinneade345]

The hand maids tale example shows the difference between morality and ethics.

[@notgodzod]

How?

[@Ocinneade345]

His speech about unity just further racializes people at the end, I believe.

[@hemanthathirumaran7654]

Although yes Aron Bastani has a point in that the global capitalist system is radicalised and some races are more adversely affected by the distribution of global capital than others.

[@pamplemouse5]

You are talking such shit about Powell and the white working class. How do you come to the conclusion that the immigrants from Asia and Caribbean had different notions of private property. Powell was a racist, and maybe he did learn to see it differently in the post colonial period, but if you're going to assert that immigrants viewed private property differently than the UK working class you're going to have to back that up, it's just so extraordinary.

[@justanotherguy1794]

I think "structural" and "institutional" racism might be confused here - at least the liberal lingo -and I'll leave the essentialist problem out of it. The way I understood it, "structural racism" is the experience of the racist society internalized (as racism) by whites (and racists, generally)."Structural racism" connotes a personal or subjective, racist cognitive "structure"" that reflects the objective, socio-political one. Since we all live in a racist society, it holds that we're all racists, which is probably about all it gets right, because advocates of "structural racist" discourse also claim that it can be "worked out" individually (to whatever extent) in therapy, for example, or diAngelo's 12-Step program, or HR DEI training, if you're so lucky. "Structural racism" in no way connotes "institutional racism," which is what we leftists would call the actually racist social and systemic structures of power and production in capitalist society. In that way, "structural racism" is conceived as a moral (i.e., personal) problem, which means that "structural racist" discourse is essentially non-political (despite its pretenses to the contrary), so it's proliferation is not a threat to capitalist social hierarchies that leverage race and racism. That's because it's an accommodationist discourse of liberal capitalists, not leftist radicals. I've heard it argued that because "structural racist" discourse is personal and subjective, it's a deliberate distraction from a critique of the objective and historical institutions (i.e., American political economy) that produce and exploit racism for capitalist ends. The same basic critique applies to "identity politics," which is, again, the inward turn away from politics; it's directed at individualistic / consumerist fulfillment and "self realization," not social transformation. "Structural racism's" definitive statement was probably made by Hillary Clinton in a 2016 debate with Bernie Sanders when she said to thunderous applause (something like), "We can nationalize the banks, but will it end (structural) racism?" Apparently (and ironically, for the liberal race "structuralists"), the banks (and capitalism, more broadly) have nothing to do with it; it's all in our heads. At 17:30, Kundnani implies what Ashley Frawley and others have argued, that liberals insist that "doing the work" to resolve our "structural racism" is the condition of social transformation (i.e., the personal is the political), only they fight social transformation to the death in the meantime. Ask Bernie Sanders. Twice.

[@cdean2789]

Starmer called BLM a 'moment'.

[@amarbyrd2520]

Whew *smh*

[@LuisCarruthers]

When in fact he should have called it a money-laundering organisation.

[@maximusrapturous7195]

@@LuisCarruthers truth

[@LuisCarruthers]

@@maximusrapturous7195 This shouldn't even be controversial. It's not even "right-wing". There was a brief period when mainstream media covered the fact that BLM turned out to be a money-laundering venture all along. Then, somehow, we just forgot about it and carried on as normal. BLM is a scam. You are not racist or bigoted for saying this because it's a fact.

[@pamplemouse5]

$200 for being at a middle class dinner party as a trinket. 150 years ago equivalent, they would have animal heads which they'd hunted on the wall as a subject of conversation.

[@lkm3s]

The Muslims are Coming is such a great book.

[@zoeblake6740]

Where can we find Aruns audiobook?

[@mchmch6185]

Can only echo the commenters below and say thanks all for another really interesting Downstream.

[@pattikahlo8175]

I hope there will be an audiobook version asap??

[@pamplemouse5]

@42 mins are you seriously saying that India was the more virtuous societal model re private property v communal ownership when the caste system was the primary form of oppression there? I'm not whitewashing (pun intended) colonialism here, but please...

[@hatfullofsky2470]

In many perhaps most institutions. Black people and the subset of that black women are often not seen as promotion material and/or nurtured as such. There is an unconscious bias which results in the heirachy we all see that is e white men and women, east Asian, south Asian, African the uk black. We see this and there is this heuristic in play. We also have corresponding ratios in rates of death incarceration. So this is something that needs to be considered on an individual level before we can get to dismantling system perhaps?

[@pattikahlo8175]

1:00 name check for my one of my heroes, Stuart Hall ❤

[@42Iskra]

Wonder if the good Dr has the confidence to interview Adolph Reed and/or Walter Ben Michaels on anti racism?

[@cabaretampere]

Nice shirt mate

[@edmundprice5276]

Racialism was the word used in the 19th century to describe racism

[@TheShepherd32]

As a black man I'm always dubious when a race discussion has no black people involved Asians view racism quite differently in all our discussions growing up and up till nowadays. Wouldn't the Hari revolution and the maroons revolution in Jamaica more relevant regarding the west concerns with colonial decent? Marcus Garvey had a stronger movement than BLM and the things discussed in this episode have been discussed fought for by African freedom fighters Rastafarians and been taken down by the powers that be at every turn.

[@michaelwalls4346]

Such an incredible discussion about how racial difference and/or cultural difference is constructed materially and discursively. Kundani masterfully deconstructs this historical material edifice by looking at the relationship between political economy in its neoliberal form and the plethora of "cultural" categories, which, as he points out, have to be produced and reproduced in situ, in the core and periphery, in order to perpetuate such categories' illusion of naturalness. However, as Foucault points out, such attempts at imposing "culture" and policing its boundaries always face resistance and thereby deconstruction. Neoliberalism tries to co-opt such resistance through, as Kundani points out too, by rejecting biological difference and supporting the dissolution of racial difference through the apparatus of cultural difference and thereby the dissolution of hierarchy. But this only becomes a form of neoliberal governance to perpetuate essentialist differences through self-governed / conduct of conduct of culturally categorised Selves. An important take away from this is that notions of cultural difference and class difference are not located in the subconscious or in behaviour (a kind of psychologism), but are constructed and disseminated in political economic, colonial and post-colonial institutions, the relationships that emerge from these and the subject positions interpolated and eventually adopted by all of us. What such an analysis might achieve is what such institutional arrangements do to all of us, that is, the "us" that has been divided into categories of cultural/racial and class difference. This has been a horribly successful project but is even this unravelling now thanks to critical approaches in general and brilliant iterations of this in Kundani's book.

[@AntifascistAllDay]

No but online hate groups target marginalized people, it's literally a problem.

[@naturalmystic67]

“Define and rule “, as referenced to the Indian mutinies is interesting to me. I’ve railed against the way that white liberals and the right have both tried to(re)define the meaning of anti-black racism previously, and I note the current obsession in the Labour Party to usurp definitions of antisemitism and replace them with ones that centre around the obliteration of left wing politics, which serves to make struggles against antisemitism meaningless. It must be opposed.

[@DavidLindes]

Hah, cool. I’ve been reading this recently, about a third of the way through maybe, so fun to see this interview… though I guess there’ll be spoilers. Ah well. ;)

[@edmundprice5276]

As a critic of the BLM movement, I will find this most enjoyable

[@jaxcoss5790]

As a critic if white supremacist, I'm sure I will find this enjoyable.

[@edmundprice5276]

@@jaxcoss5790 that is one of the reasons I criticise the BLM movement, they slander people as racists simply for having minor disagreements on ways to proceed forward and as to the challenges that society faces

[@alenmaia6514]

​@@edmundprice5276 So you have problems with a civil rights organisation that mobilized against systemic racism, that says a lot about you.

[@Anygodwilldo]

@@jaxcoss5790 There is no white supremacy movement in the UK

[@Anygodwilldo]

(Corporate sponsored) BLM is divisive, racist and (as we now know) totally phony. It endorses violence, rests on Neo-marxist gibberish and is full of illogical double standards. This reacist nonsense must be criticised and opposed at every opportunity.

[@DdraigGoch84]

I’d only add, on the point that the U.K. has done its genocide (etc.) abroad that we have done all sorts of evils at home too. The way Westminster has treated the Welsh, Scottish and Irish is vile. There’s no wonder, at all, that independence movements are growing in popularity, albeit slowly.

[@Pommy1957]

Several UK Prime Ministers at Westminster have been Scottish though. And in colonial India a majority of the British Viceroys were Scots.

[@Artezia]

Antiracism is a different form of racism.

[@thomaswikstrand8397]

That's so stupid. Almost deserving of an award of some kind.

[@ethelmini]

33:30 Obviously culture isn't fixed. It would take an epic level of unawareness to look at humanity from hunter gatherers through to the post industrial age in the west and not realise it must go hand in hand with the simplest practical aspects of how we live. If we look for the justification in the minds of the Enochs it must be a belief that the (White British) status quo is a superior cultural model, at least for Britain. If it is then the immigrants will fall in to line with it, according to Darwinian principles and they're crying over nothing. If it isn't, on a more trivial level, we have currry in super market chiller cabinets and reggae on our radios. But we also have stronger extended families self financing themselves in to successful businesses & home ownership. That leads me to think there must be an optimum level of immigration for driving societal evolution.

[@pattikahlo8175]

29 mins - I for sure have less in common culturally with most people I live among than many other ppl living all over the world. Is a very shallow definition of culture to think it’s about location or skin or what’s on the telly. Maybe it’s coz I’m neurodivergent, but I see through fakeness and see connections that it baffles me that everyone doesn’t see

[@jsrodman]

Hahah i was so ready to disagree with the idea that anti-racism can hinder anti-racist efforts, until you dropped the anticapialism requirement. And well, yeah, that's fair.

[@notgodzod]

Not impressed I'm afraid. Arun repeatedly made straw man arguments against the people he disagrees with and provided an analysis so vague that it was almost entirely useless. And the suggested solution: to dismantle the entire global economic system. Pie in the sky stuff, poorly articulated.

[@pamplemouse5]

I agree that dismantling capitalism is pie in the sky just now, but it hasn't always been that way and it may not be in the future: as the climate emergency becomes more of an issue people will begin to see how it started and how we need to put the brakes on capitalism (at the very least) to salvage something from this disaster. One problem I had with this was his assertion that Caribbean and Asian immigrants viewed private property differently from the UK white working class. How? In what way? Also his depiction of the uprising against the British Raj in India as being more egalitarian than UK colonialism, almost communalism in nature. Again, how? The country with a deep caste system is more egalitarian? Oh, please.

[@Zalley]

We can all agree that racism is bad but the more “radical” structural methods the author mentions makes me think that his methods are very likely the type that will cause far far more problems than they solve.

[@littleflags]

💯

[@Tony-dv5fs]

21:34 virtue signalling

[@pamplemouse5]

My thoughts too. But why not? Maybe we need to take this term back and use it properly, strip it of negative connotations. That was my thinking while watching, nway. Can't remember now why I thought so lol

[@SuzanneO707]

Economic downturns feed prejudice. Its unfortunate that promoting diversity as strength, seems to triggger people of all backgrounds and actually divides. Capitalism morphs in different guises. Another eg, environment friendly products etc.

[@Afrobriit]

If you’re interested in participating in real work addressing racism in England, please look up Stand Up to Racism.

[@peterhardie4151]

I became slightly disilusioned with the left. Journalism like this pulls me back.

[@pamplemouse5]

20 minutes in, I'm surprised you haven't used the term "virtue signalling" since that is the essence of what all this middle class & capitalist anti-racism is. We should appropriate terms and concepts used by the right in our fight against them, and our fight for communism. Suborning their vocabulary would render it effectively meaningless. This isn't like the reclaiming of language as in the N-word, which I don't actually find helpful, just verbally disarming the far right gammon in the UK.

[@AntifascistAllDay]

I'm down for anti capitalism.

[@LuisCarruthers]

As you type on your iPhone.

[@ten_tego_teges]

Yeah me too, but how about you tell me what the alternative is first before we jump into it? The last grand idea with no actual after plan was Brexit and we all know how that went.

[@thomaswikstrand8397]

​@@ten_tego_tegesthere's a very well established socialist tradition to draw from. The problem is that we can't discuss it intelligently in public - the right wing indoctrination has been unchallenged for too long. Dummies shout it down. But yeah, that's indeed the alternative - or rather natural evolution. Production needs to be done to meet needs and reduce harm, not to generate profit. Ownership cannot be left in private hands. And that's that.

[@ethelmini]

I'm not sold on the Indian Mutiny analysis. The British Raj didn't exist before the Mutiny, but the Mughal Empire did. It was the East India Company exerting British influence and I don't think the British establishment cared much as long as the profits rolled in. Robert Clive was somewhere between a Mafia Don & Prigozhin,

[@chewy6349]

Don't expect this to go down well with your subscribers... See what they actually say

[@matthewstone1362]

Its weird cause my aunties racist.

[@hatfullofsky2470]

Could the root of at least some racism be an existential threat of extinction. As a race, voiced In the obviously false theory of replacement. Perhaps that was the real root of colonialism

[@seymssogood]

Colonialism was about the control of resources in far away lands, and economic competition with other powers of the time. There was no threat of extinction, except what was manufactured to justify invasion, occupation and resource theft.

[@edmundprice5276]

racism derives from the spanish casta system

[@이예준-l4f]

Please don't colour the thumbnail red. Because it seems so bloody and devilous.

[@stephanied.k.3589]

Hmmmm.....I think the U.S. protest more accurately start with the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson. In St. Louis, like many big cities in the U.S. you have the effects of racial economic real estate and infrastructure investment practices that create "white flight". Most private enterprises participated in this flight to the suburbs by moving there business out of the "city limits" where possible. Once taxpayer moneys were used to create the highway/road structure that facilitated suburban communities the businesses followed leaving the urban centers poorer. That's why many city police forces started to use traffic stops as a way to fill financial quotas to bring money into the struggling city governments. Also, doesn't Henry Pratt's use of the term racism in relationship to Native Americans predate the Naxi example?

[@Zalley]

See Antiracism - A translation from the Wokish by James Lindsay

[@philipharris-smith5889]

The arrogance was profound.