We React To Your Ragequit and Salt Stories | Commander Clash Podcast 135

[@Scentlessgrape]

39:20 the fact that crim got away with referring to his potential future kid as a "crimling" without getting called out is a crime 😂

[@adamoneal5837]

Must say it all the time 😂

[@williambowen8054]

I assumed he meant cremling as a Stormlight reference.

[@brady3126]

Would you say it’s… Criminal?

[@jawnv6]

I played with a father and his two sons. Three turns in, one of the kids is having a Bad Time and his father's just shaking his head saying "You _know_ you can't keep those two-land hands..."

[@ALTR_no_EGO]

So, Tomer tells his budget Batman origin, then Crim proceeds to describe becoming The Joker at events... 😂🤣🤣

[@muddlewait8844]

My favorite thing about Crim is that he will laugh as hard at himself getting owned by a sad card as he will laugh at someone else getting mad about the same thing

[@jordanlarson8310]

Honestly that's the way I am too...I know I play kill on site and archenemy decks and I find the challenge of sifting through a 1v3 fun. Makes the win that much sweeter and the losses are still hilarious

[@griffingovernment]

I have a very good salt story about land destruction. I played in a group where this guy, let's call him Morgan, would often blow up lands using Strip Mine and somehow bringing it back to do it again. This is not what made me salty. What made me salty is, after he did it to me he would point at me and say, "Look, he's mad" and snicker. I hadn't even done or said anything, but apparently because I didn't have a smile on my face after getting my land blown up, he got a pass to tease me saying I'm mad. So this happens a few different times: Morgan blows up my land and starts laughing at me and saying things like "Oh look how mad he is" while I had not even complained. So eventually, I decided to get even. I built a Saskia the Unyielding deck where the theme was land destruction. I started blowing up Morgan's lands, and ever time I would point at him and I say, "Aw look, he's angry!" and laugh just like he did. (And of course when I cast Saskia I chose Morgan too). So Morgan said, "If you keep targeting me, I'm going to blow up everyones' lands." So I targeted him again, and he did it; he destroyed all lands and the rest of the table groaned. But I just so happened to have a Mountain and Curse of Opulence in my hand. So I cursed Morgan with Curse of Opulence and told the table "If you want mana, all you need to do is attack Morgan." Despite all this, Morgan was not visibly angry that day. I won the game, and I think we played at least one more without incident. A week later I hit him up to see if he wanted to join a game, and he says, "What the Hell? Are we even friends? I was about to punch you in the face last week." We talked it through but he never really came around much after that. I guess some people can dish it out, but they can't take it.

[@koolaiddude7685894]

Lolol legendary clap back

[@Rpgzuss]

he quite literally took it much better than you handled it. wasnt angry, accepted it and even played another game! you are just a socially failed human continue to hype yourself up over a casual card game and confronted him to which he said "yeah like most people in your life i dont like you"

[@cerealforserious]

Richard stabbing crim in the back in a commander pod and saying "here's a life lesson son" is my favorite thing now 🤣

[@markito420gaming]

Which episode did that happen in 😂😂

[@TheGorick]

Wow thats amazing

[@pauliebleeker5442]

It's very nice that we get more father & son lore😂

[@ElisaKaysCauldron]

I have a close friend who just doesn't exist in the headspace to enjoy a game of commander where things don't go his way. There's been at least 5 "I'm done with Magic. Does anyone want to buy all my cards" then go home or hang up the discord call moments. This is the type of player that goes and puts silver bullets that only work against one deck in the pod in all of their decks but then gets mad when it doesn't do anything in the current game. The type of player that runs 28 lands and freaks out when you suggest they put more in the deck after they miss their 2nd or 3rd land drop. They won't just take a friendly scry for a land either, it's a really wild situation but can lead to some hilarity. One game they were playing Ur-Dragon and the whole pod knows the consequences of that deck getting to 9+ mana. Turn one was Ancient Tomb, into Sol Ring, into Arcane Signet, into a Bloom Tender. The table is scared but it's so early in the game there's not much that can be done. Turn 2 he tries to Mirari's Wake, the rest of the table decided this was too much and someone needed to do somthing. I cast An Offer You Can't Refuse.... keep in mind I have a single land at this point. He gets really upset about it and accuses me of "destroying his lands" after he's at 5+ mana and the rest of the board has 1. Next turn he Cultivates and the table has no response, we all know it's about to basically be over turn 3 if something isn't done. On my next turn (#3) I Generous Gift his Ancient Tomb and another player Swords to Plowshares the Bloom Tender. Keep in mind, at this point he still has a Sol Ring, Arcane Signet and 3 lands while the rest of the table has 3 lands and maybe a rock. I said "I wasn't before but now I am destroying your land"... followed by an epic meltdown.

[@chrismarlow9585]

Tbh, depending on how he used cultivate I would've been tempted to see if I could colour screw him with the generous gift. He was almost empty handed and if someone else could destroy arcane signet you could take him out of the game until you could catch up. I'm sure he would've got even more salty at that!

[@kippy7206]

Yea I have a similar friend, frequently turn 1 Sol Rings, almost always has more mana than anyone else, the moment you counter his turn 4 Etali he's complaining that we never let him have any fun??? Like hello, you're spending more mana in one turn than anyone else has had across every turn combined?

[@soulkens]

@@kippy7206we had a player turn 1 sol ring every single game against us for an entire night of playing, you can hit the power ball lotto with those numbers so he was never told again about magic with the boys…it’s quite sad but why cheat at casual games

[@jfuzzz]

“That’s not salty, that’s assault-y.” 😂

[@cadenbelcher3105]

In AFR limited I Tasha’s hideous laughterd someone’s entire deck. They proceeded to rage about it and proclaim “fine I’ll add like 10 cards to my deck” which makes sense. So the next game I cast hideous laughter and copied it and took their whole deck and then they left the tournament early.

[@lesternomo6578]

tbh that does sound like a kinda miserable card in limited

[@BobardeZanzibar]

Crim: crowdsurfing the Karn from the very beginning.

[@LordDrieg]

As a player who learned Magic in high school then fell off and just returned last year, I'm new to the interactions & gameplay made possible by Commander's multiplayer. And that excites me more than making me apprehensive. I'm always excited to see new strategies, combos & playstyles. And I find that usually everyone else in the pod leaves the game feeling happy to have experienced my enthusiasm rather than sourness from being beaten over by an overpowered deck.

[@babatazyah]

There was a lot of built up resentment behind that Mana-Charged Dragon. He was in the friend group for a couple years and cheated and stole and it was very, very cathartic.

[@vjvkdblbclqbowf2330]

So you're telling me that Tomer, and Crim have had, and are currently in, Villain arcs? I guess that makes Richard and Seth the Heroes, Imagine heroes vs villains 2 headed giant.

[@chocolatepiegames3617]

Crim has been in his villain arc from the very beginning lmao

[@peterklein3354]

The first thing that came to my mind is when I witnessed a guy get his mana crypt commandeered on the play with one land in opening hand, declaring war on the other guy and get his one land striped afterwards. In a pot of 4, where it makes no sense and both players are out of game. Obviously it was Tomer and he handled it with so much class and charm wich is why he is beloved. I think we play a game - people who get salty too hard during a magic game are maybe not the players I seak for a game of commander - or actualy any other game.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

My playgroup uses open deck lists. It let's us review and help each other build. We don't typically check for problematic cards because we trust each other now, but we will pull it up to help tutors go quick or ask if our rule zero cards are okay.

[@seanedgar164]

My group is the same, we often show our decks or most impactful cards before we ever play it. We have "that player" who doesn't agree with our power level, is fine running salty or unhealthy cards/patterns. So it's hard with them around

[@SilvyAP]

You guys have such great chemistry! I laughing through the entire cast! When Richard (talking about mana charged dragon) said "This is something its okay only if you do to a friend. I absolutely do this to Crim, no question asked" while Crim was laughing so hard he almost fell of the chair was the cherry on top. Serously the banter and the way you play off eachother without never being offensive or hostile is amazing. Seriously love this and the other podcast

[@sc100ott]

Most salt I’ve seen is when someone has a heavily commander-dependent deck (Feather, for example), and their commander gets stolen or Imprisoned In The Moon, and they have no answer in hand, and can’t top deck anything in the next 2-3 turns.

[@RyanEglitis]

I still miss the old tuck rule...

[@TheLuckySpades]

In a similar vein, but not salty: I was playing Sliver Overlord and someone managed to make a clone of it and use the least used part of that textbox and gain control of my commander At the time all I had were senetrical sliver stuff so I couldn't even play my creatures without helping her, she then made it unblockable 3 turns in a row, killing me with my own commander damage A few weeks later we are in the same pod, ai keep mana open to deal with the clone if need be, it works She has another clone effect and we almost repeat if someone else hadn't wiped the board Now I have Cristiline Sliver and in about hald of the games I play that is the first tutor target if I even think someone is remival heavy or has clones

[@Shawn-f3x]

Was playing my Arwen, Mortal Queen list in a pod that included a pilot on a Meren of Clan Nel Toth list that was heavy on Edict-effects stapled to creatures even for a Meren list. T2, he casts Meren and some Black 1-drop that makes everyone lose a life every time a creature dies, then he gains that life. I drop out a T2 Sol Ring and Song of the Dryads his Meren. He groans a little, but everything’s fine. 2-3 turns later, he finally finds the Strip Mine he runs for crazy value land hate (We’ve got a couple well-off pubstompers who invade WPN FNM on the regular), so he Strip Mines his Forest of a Commander, then recasts it. I plop out an Evo Witness when my turn comes round, make my land drop (Have Bristly Bill out), putting a +1/+1 on the Evo Witness, and returning the Song to my hand, before turning Meren back into a Forest. Meren’s pilot gives me a momentary, “Oh, c’mon, really?” look, but everything’s still chill. 2 turns go by. Korvald and a Simic Landfall Commander I can’t remember amusingly stop each other’s attempts to combo off and win during the same turn, so this time, Meren’s pilot, utilizing one of the oddest deck techs I’d seen in a Golgari deck the last few months, uses an Archdruid’s Charm to exile my Song of the Dryads. Bloody carnage ensues, as we all immediately lose our Commanders, two additional creatures, and 9 life. I top deck a Darksteel Mutation, the only other imprisonment card I was running, then promptly try to turn Meren into an 0/1 indestructible Insect. Meren’s pilot tries to spot remove his own Commander to prevent this, and gets freebie countered by Simic Merfolk Landfall. He scoops up everything in one sweeping, agitated gesture, jams his deck back in the box, then stalks out of the store without a word. He was chill when he got back for the game after next, but man, was he pissed and riding herd on it.

[@ajaydassani9931]

The Cassius scoop was classic with his narset being countered

[@ieatmygarden]

More people need to see this youtube video - that was some true NFL level salt. Gavin V. was there. It was wild

[@americanmaniac8836]

What channel was this game you are talking about?

[@ajaydassani9931]

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[@ajaydassani9931]

Tabletop jocks episode a year ago with Cassius Gavin Nicholas and light

[@hanschristopherson8056]

One of my favorite podcasts, the howling salt mine, their whole thing is reacting to salty stories it is so funny 😂

[@JacoDeltaco]

25:10 in a pod we let a player have a counter spell under as isocrome scepter just to counter the Narset every turns. Those Narset and co. Cry that they cannot play but if you don't crush them hard they take 6 extra turn take 1 hours to win the exact same way every game

[@nonstripedzebra]

I'll always remember the time my friend was playing firesong and sunspeaker... Basically red board wipe tribal. He started talking about casting star of extinction but was having trouble picking a land to blow up. I was playing titania and had the desert that blows up into a zombie so I talked him into blowing up my land. He gets his board wipe, and I get a 2/2. Fine. He targets it and I cast my crop rotation to sac my land and go get another, and of course get my zombie. He was FURIOUS but the rest of us were dying of laughter. He won anyway but that moment gets brought up a lot years later

[@allnightgamer792]

This was almost a decade ago now, when I was in high school I went to my LGS's commander tournament with my U/W Daxos of Meletis deck. The whole point of the deck was thievery. The tournament was a mix of 4-person pods and 1v1 games. You'd do a round of 1v1, then move to a pod, repeat. The last 1v1 game before splitting for the top 8 games I was against a guy running a Deretti artifact list. We had a solid game of back and forth, I was trying to control his board, he was trying to set up/combo. He's able to get a blightsteel out and I totally lost his Blightsteel at the end of his turn. Went to my turn, swung with my daxos, stole his blightsteel, and he scooped up his cards so fast while yelling about how bullshit azorius is and how dumb U/W as a color combo is and dropped from the tournament. because of his stats, win or lose he would've at least been in top 8 but he left without hearing standings.

[@headhunterhades3816]

I can’t believe my story actually made it. Not able to watch right now because I’m about to take an exam, but I can’t wait to hear what the crew thinks. Edit: After hearing what the crew has said I’d like to offer up some more context, but overall I’m still just ecstatic that they covered it in the first place. First off I didn’t purposefully exclude the Narset player. I’d also say that normally I’m not a big fan of Rule 0 but it was late and I truly was not interested in a game with very little interaction so I left the game casually and was even planning to leave after I had packed up but then one of the other players that was in that game tapped me on the shoulder. Admittedly I made it initially sound like in the original post like it all happened in a few moments of leaving but it was probably 10-15 minutes after I had left so he probably just got knocked out and then eventually the other guy I mentioned also joined in. Luckily the LGS I play at is moderately active so Narset guy found a pod to play because of the traffic. I liked Tomer’s idea (and employ it often) but Narset guy was adamant on playing only Narset. The only reason I did any of this was because the other guys in the pod were relatively new to the game and I didn’t want to influence them by saying that they should just all target the Narset player so I wanted to get a rough idea how powerful his deck was so that I could play something similar and target him while letting the other two decide on their own who they should go after. Further aside (and this doesn’t really matter because it’s stuff after the whole scenario) but Narset guy has been known now for misleading people about how powerful his decks are and basically only plays against either decks that he has a favorable matchup against or against basically brand new players

[@ichliebebrot3773]

😂

[@DaKareerKilla]

My favourite salt story was actually when I got salty and left a game. I was playing in a 3 player pod in a commander league against player A who had Vega, the Watcher and player B who was playing what appeared to be a Kyler, Sigardian Emissary precon. Player A dropped turn 1 Sol Ring into Signet and by turn 4 they had like 7-8 mana and were drawing all these extra cards. I thought player B was a new player and I wasn't expecting much from him in terms of helping answer player A, so I was just attacking the guy who I saw as the threat. When I finally got upto 5 mana I dropped Alhammaret's Archive with my commander Varina and a couple of small zombies in play. I was just going to swing at Player A to draw some extra cards in the hope I could find something to slow him down and I didn't think player B would have an issue with this because I'd not done anything to him all game. Before I can go to combat, Player B snaps off Return to Dust to remove my draw engine. I instantly concede the game, saying that I can't keep up and because it's a three player game there's only one likely outcome. I packed up my stuff and went home. I think retrospect I could have been more vocal in pointing out that Player A was far in the lead and that we would need to work together. But I feel like I'm calling someone out for doing what their deck is supposed to do and thought, well if I show he's the threat by attacking him, the other player should get the idea.

[@RyanEglitis]

Sounds like you got...dusted 😎

[@Cid400]

Saltiest I've ever gotten, I bought a dockside, orcish bowmasters and opposition agent. Then went to play that same evening. I played buried alive and then opponent opposition agents me. He got to play with my cards before I did...

[@Cringeboy69420]

Like Seth said on the spell copy question if you’re playing cards like that you should just respect when someone else gets to steal them

[@cre8rzaw]

I was playing Orzhov aristocrats in a game of commander, it was turn 5, and the Freyalise, green elves, player was stuck on 2 lands but had 2 mana dorks when I removed one of the dorks and played the new Braids. I then proceeded to sacrifice a land to hopefully draw 3 cards and he scooped stating that I was targeting his lands, despite me telling him it was optional and he could just let me draw. He responded with, "letting you draw cards is letting you win," and stormed off. I should add that they had the ability to make a ridiculous amount of elves were I to leave it alone.

[@jadfihfthemerc9665]

This one night at one of my LGS, we had a guy who was playing Balan Voltron and was saying that since Balan is only 1 out of 3 creatures in the entire deck that his deck couldnt possibly be good, maybe a power 2. Meanwhile, the decklist is a fine-tuned equipment voltron packed with tutors and one-sided boardwipes with all the best equipment in the game. When he ended up being targeted for being the winning threat and being informed and partly scolded by the other players for his deck not being bad since it was a lot of netdecking for the best options, he got super mad and said "fine, I guess I never should have built this" and then threw his deck at the wall and stormed off.

[@E.F.W.]

43:50 “lying” and “bluffing” are two different things. Don’t betray deals you make, but make your opponents think you have it. Make them have it and make them think you have it.

[@anonymous10099]

I got my nose broke during high school for playing 36 different counter spells and 4 prodigal sorcerors in a deck

[@michaelofbuhl1315]

Even as a blue player I’m not sure I wouldn’t take the other guys side lol

[@RiskyComment]

My salty story: I was playing at an LGS and a guy asks to join the pod and asks if proxies are ok. We say yes, he proceeds to lay down a Yorion blink deck where 80% of the cards were poorly hand written proxies on scraps of printer paper. He proceeded to take multiple 30 min+ turns repeatedly blinking his entire scrap paper board, triggering search effects and card draw over and over and over. No one else had any idea what cards he was even playing because his hand writing was so bad and we didn't want to interrupt because he was already moving so slowly. Finally after the 4th or 5th turn sitting there waiting for him to finish, someone at the pod asks to see what cards he was playing. Turns out the entire time he was blinking Knight of the White Orchid and searching for a land card even though he had more lands than everyone else. This dude wrote the wrong text on his proxy card and had searched his library probably 10 times more than he should have. I'm pretty sure at that point someone at the pod said he had enough and left, and we all sort of just agreed the game was over.

[@NoTengoIdeaGuey]

That's why I only proxy with actual printouts of the card face, MtG is already hard enough to keep track of everything going on without introducing that kind of nonsense. I can't tolerate illegibility. I also try to specifically proxy stuff I know no one would get salty over, I'm not bringing a Sheoldred or Jin Gitaxias or Dockside or anything.

[@senken12]

31:00 My group have a rule of "No spite concessions" E.g. If I'm attacking someone for lethal with Lifelink, and it's guaranteed they're dying, they can't concede to prevent the lifegain. In the example salt story, the Sudden Substitution player will still get lands. If you're trying to concede to take something away from someone, then that someone still gets the thing

[@Shawn-f3x]

Agreed. I’m really against all the, “Only scoop at sorcery-speed” nonsense, because I’ve seen it abused again and again by people playing *lengthy* non-deterministic combos, but scooping to spite your attacker is incredibly lame, and every pod I’ve played with except one that had a couple Sticklers For the Letter of the Rules-types in it have all agreed the attacker swinging for lethal gets what they would have gotten from the attack, regardless. Trying to influence the outcome of a game you’re forfeiting is just slimy, IMO.

[@lovelylemonfactory]

The Tunnel Vision one isn't a rage quit. The guy was dead.

[@blackiscolor7732]

in regards to story 8 and the conversation thereafter, winning from early being screwed, is the BEST FEELING.

[@battonia982]

I was literally thinking about how I hate getting a a free round where I just dont get to play magic and then Richard says everything I feel about that LOL

[@MrBearsmithy]

The idea of deck checking strangers sounds like TSA at FNM.

[@seanedgar164]

If someone's playing a notorious extra turns commander and is claiming it's something else is pretty sus. They don't HAVE to allow a deck check but people also don't have to play with them, which is what happened

[@adrianmelo7768]

It's not really clear but sounds like the narset guy didn't deny he was playing extra turns either.

[@arcroy7]

If people ask you a direct question before the game (rule 0) about your deck and you refuse to answer, that's just lying by obfuscation and if they're playing potentially OP commanders too you should ask similar questions about powerful cards in their lists.

[@ethanhughes3515]

My saltiest experience was when I was playing gruel control. I had asked everyone if it’s ok for me to play it and it was kinda a mixed power level table. It was Urza Artificer, Hapatra and Optimus prime. Most of my turns and resources were spent nuking the Urza players board back to the Stone Age every turn till Urza cost 12 and after the Optimus prime player exiled all artifacts that I couldn’t remove they finally were not able to pop off every turn anymore and were essentially out of the game. They took it amicable and understood that there deck was a problem but probably were a bit unhappy about it. The Hapatra player had their commander removed twice and a few other combo pieces removed. I had sniped it twice cause I knew in previous games it can go off with no warning. And when they kept equipping boots to it I couldn’t deal with it if it got dangerous so I had to snipe it then. The Optimus prime player also sent two removal spells their way. My commander had also been removed 4 times but I had plenty of lands to bring them back. The Hepatra player not the Urza player that had been hated out of the game slammed their cards on the table and stormed off saying it wasn’t fun and that I always kill them (cause when I don’t they just win) stormed off even accidentally forgetting two of their decks (later returned). We then finished the game where I believe Optimus Prime won but I don’t remember. The Hapatra player had also been complaining about my interaction earlier in the game and had multiple times both vowed to end my board and make me miserable or had made spite plays to hurt me specifically regardless of game state currently. It just sticks out as the player who probably should have been salty deservedly took it fine but another player didn’t

[@joshuajordan6632]

you could still conter the reshape the earth once the sudden sub is off the stack before the reshape resolves.

[@alexbutler8930]

Commander players need to play more competitive magic. Once you've been wastelanded/trinisphere-d/RIP-d/Blood moon-d into the dirt 1000 times, every commander game is just a vibe.

[@thedude5able]

I cannot agree more. Any time a whiny Commander player is like, "I can't play the game anymore, WTF" I'll just be like, "Cool - I guess I'll just throw the whole game so you can win"

[@brandondrake69]

Even after just watching games like that commander is a vibe for me lol

[@ChenIsMe]

What's the bird decklist? I'm curious / would love to watch it in action

[@BlazinAllosaurus]

Haha did the Clash crew start listening to the Howling Salt Mine podcast? This is hilarious

[@leviv168]

The only time i scooped at instant speed was when a Zacama player blew up every single permanent on the board, but didnt have the power to end the game. The last time i got salty was at my lgs, after our paid commander pods. I was playing a mono-red deck and have done literally nothing but mountain pass. I was mana screwed for a while and the blue player kept countering my spells. eventually got enough to try casting Brass's Bounty, making 7 treasures. It was the first spell that could be of any real impact i cast all game and the blue player cast An Offer You Can't Refuse, countering it and giving me two treasures. So i was still basically able to do nothing

[@melonlord2229]

When it comes to conceding, my usual way of doing it is either at sorcery speed, or during a player's end cleanup step.

[@alexandrelima2766]

Lying is usually net negative in a setup where you play with the same persons regularly, so it's better not to long term even if there are short term gains for it. It's also hit with diminishing returns. refusing to disclose information is a perfectly valid strategy though

[@maxmazzel]

There was a game at my LGS where my friend played Ixhel the new(ish) toxic commander, not an incredibly powerful deck at all. And he killed someone with poison by loading up Ixhel with some aura that gives additional toxic and an equipment that does the same. The player that got killed held in his salt but you could read it on his face. For the next 3 weeks whenever he talked to or about my friend he called him "Mr Infect" and if he was in the same pod he'd mention him playing infect and target him. Even if he wasn't playing Ixhel, and even though Toxic and Infect are pretty significantly different 😆 The sad side of this is that my friend is very shy and has low self-esteem/confidence so all he can do is stay silent and awkwardly smile 😢 we decided not to play with him anymore to avoid the negativity

[@derekseaton4412]

My favorite salt story is where on Turn 1 in my Derevi deck, I played an island > Sol Ring > Winter Orb. Everyone scooped, we shuffled up and started again. It was clean and short. Definitely salty, but it wasn’t drawn out.

[@jyomi7506]

The best salt story I ever had was revenge... and it was wonderful! My favorite deck at the time had been my Judith, Carnage Connoisseur deck. It was just a storm, card draw deck that tried to spam as many imps as I could onto the board. I played against an "Ajani" Selvala, Explorer Returned deck, and what he really meant was Stax with planeswalkers... He just locked us out, had full protection up, and just wasted a literal two hours of everyone's time while we tried to pick through it. Couple weeks go by, and OTJ comes out. I built Rakdos, The Muscle and it's all about just playing everyone's stuff by sacrificing every creature I can play. It's probably my strongest deck, just by virtue of getting the best cards from everyone else and always having stuff to play. Went to an LGS that I rarely go to (it's a lil ways away, but it's a great place) and Mr. Ajani Stax was there. Sit down for a game with a friend of mine on the new Vihaan Treasures. First time I exiled cards from Ajani guy's deck, I hit 3 of his best planeswalkers, couldn't cast them, and just played the land and let them stay in exile. He was already getting a lil annoyed, then I hit his Nykthos... so he played Karn, the Great Creator to shut off all my artifacts (mana rocks and an Altar of Bhaal) and completely shut down my friend's treasure deck. So I played a plague crafter and he had to sac Karn, then I exiled 3 more cards off the top. Oops, bye bye Nine Lives lol! At this point he's getting visibly aggravated, and my deck is just going off thanks to stealing treasure makers and his planeswalkers. But Vihaan had finally hit a critical mass of treasures, and exiled my graveyard to stop me looping my creatures. Ajani starts telling him to take me out, and they can have a normal game. Vihaan has lethal on both of us, easily, and Ajani just swearing and warning him that if he tries to send ANYTHING at him, that he'll f---- blow it all up. Vihaan, however, was not intimidated, and swung out. Right into a Settle the wreckage lol... Turns pass and nothing major happens, but Vihaan top decks Dockside Extortionist... the very card he had just traded for from Ajani... Oh my god his face was soooooo red XD I lost that game, but I won the moral victory. Everyone at that shop saw him flipping out and complaining, meanwhile my friend was playing Vihaan and never once gave up, despite the huge advantage I had, and I was just laughing and having a blast... I don't hate the guy, but I'll never miss a chance to make the stax superfriends player rage.

[@cactuscarl5190]

I still remember bolt bending an opponents time stretch and my opponent was super happy for me. Really fun experience and nice dude.

[@SnowHermit89]

Playing at my friend's place in a 3-way commander game. One friend is running Melek, another friend is playing Marwyn, and I'm playing Roon. I get Lavinia of the Tenth out and keep flickering her. Marwyn player proceeds to get angry, quits after the third turn saying "That deck is BS. I'm locked out of the game, I can't do anything." They then proceed to complain that Mono Green doesn't have creature removal or board wipes to handle it. After that night, I actively chose to take apart the deck. Marwyn player is a good friend of mine, and I'd rather not cause a rift over cardboard. Sure, I could have just taken out the card but it prompted me to build other decks for that playgroup.

[@firestormingfox4169]

Sen's triplets enjoyer here. (group hug/show and tell) I strive to keep my pod just salty enough to add some flavor to a game; but provide enough water to keep no-one parched. If I'm gonna have a good time using someone elses best pieces to win; I gotta make sure to accelerate my opponents ability to use those pieces too. 1v1 can be rough though.

[@Colt-yx2ow]

Crims new name should be "The Sultan of salt"

[@agbo]

29:27 I think they could counter the Reshape if they wanted to. After Sudden Substitution resolves, Reshape is still on the stack with a new controller and can be countered at that point. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@MrBLAAHHHHHHHHHHH]

The saltiest thing I’ve seen was against a Zacama control/life gain player. Dude played Serra Ascendant on turn one. Then it was ramp, Seedborn Muse, ramp, Swords this thing, ramp, Path that thing, ramp Farewell, ramp and repeat. Dude then plays Felidar Sovereign and passes. Untaps all his stuff on the next players upkeep, blows all that players stuff up, but leaves up two mana. That player passes to me. Dude untaps all his stuff and blows my crap up, but leaves open two mana. I’m assuming he has Heroic Intervention or something to protect the Felidar Sovereign, but it doesn’t matter anyway because I don’t draw a removal spell. What is do draw though, is Beacon of Immortality, which works very nicely with the Tainted Remedy I have in my hand. I cast the Tainted Remedy, tell him what it does, and ask if he has any responses. He says “No, I don’t need to gain anymore life” with a cocky smirk. I then cast Beacon, telling him what it does. He then casts Deflecting Palm with an even bigger shit eating grin. I just chuckled and told him Deflecting Palm prevents damage, and Tainted Remedy causes life loss, which is not the same thing. He starts arguing and calls for a judge, who comes and tells him he’s dead. Dude starts raging, yelling about how this is all bullshit and “that’s not how the card is supposed to work”, at which point I bust out laughing and call him a hypocrite since he’s playing Serra Ascendant and Felidar Sovereign, which are perfect examples of “that’s not how the card is supposed to work” due to commander having a higher starting life total. Dude then snatches up MOST of his deck and his bag then storms out of the shop while several people are trying to tell him he still has cards on the table.

[@riverketcherside1256]

TLDR: Got pubstomped by tier 1 Godo in 2018 while playing casual. Acted like Godo player had never played the game Had a time early on in my commander career at an LGS. We had a 5 player pod and were 1 turn in when someone walked in and asked if they could join. We agreed and said we were playing more battlecruiser. Dude joining appreciated it so we let him sit down, shuffle up, and play. He pulled out Godo, took 3 mulligans, took his first turn to catch up to the turn order, and then when it got to his turn 2 he combo'd off and won. The guy sitting next two him, who had mentioned it was battlecruiser, looked at this man like he was scum before looking at the guy who was next in turn order and asked him to continue with his turn two. Godo player started complaining and saying we were poor sports for "not recognizing his win" and claiming "it was just a skill difference." Needless to say I never played with that guy again Editted for clarity on year

[@BarronLewisVistan-Lucas]

Just wanted to acknowledge Crim's cute corgi in he background

[@aidanhood3666]

Amendment to the “no ban list season” idea: Unban all the cards that you don’t unanimously believe are bad for commander (Ex: trade secrets, Lutri, shaharazad, etc.) and you can “re-ban” cards for the season after each game/week. This will let you try things once and if you agree they are toxic/broken you don’t have to play them again

[@StoneSourFanBoy]

There was two ragequits I was involved in : - I was playing a morph deck and at the other end of the table was a rakdos (the "hit your opponents to discount creatures" version). I managed to flip the morph crab that switches with any other creature, getting his rakdos in exchange. He just said that he would not be able to play and left, even when I was insisting on the possibility of an aoe happening or even just a removal spell. Crab for the win I guess, because I managed to win the game two turns after he left. - The same player that was playing the previously mentioned rakdos deck was now playing a satoru deck, I was on my grolnok deck. He said that he will try to win, but we were not that far into the game, maybe turn 5 or 6. He played a big fishy thing that allows him to exile lands from his deck in order to be bigger, equipped some boots on it and smashed the player to my left that promptly left the table quite angry. I had an artifact removal AND a creature removal in exil due to grolnok's ability, said it out loud just the turn prior, they were still visible. I did what I had to do, the satoru player ended up feeling dumb and say to the player he one shot "I thought it would be enough to win the game fast and not let you on the side for too long". The game went 1h30 after the one shot. Salt and dumb decisions.

[@KellyUnekis]

I was playing my Jhoria chaos deck at my LGS once, and cast a Timesifter that allowed a 'scrub' with an Aurelia, Warleader deck to beat up a pubstomper. Pubstomper was quiet, but very angrily picked up his cards and left the store. Not sure they ever came back, either.

[@Azeria]

time warp → countered → copied → redirected that’s the kind of thing I _want_ to see in EDH games lmao

[@imaginarymatter]

This is a nice companion piece to the ban list discussion. In the sense that too many see the ban list as a salt list.

[@-homerow-]

Whenever there's Salt at the table just remember, "Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional."

[@kickinwang1817]

I was playing etali (original mono red one) & i swung. One of my opponents was playing a Maelstrom Wanderer deck & had done nothing but slammed mana sources all game. Top of his deck was time warp- he immediately conceded and left. The salt of the extra turn player is the best flavor of salt imo.

[@54SCV8]

I wish I had seen this question before the episode. In Innistard/RTR watching people lose turn 4 to my G/W Humans repeatedly was amazing. One opponent gave me the match 2-0 after the first game. One opponent didn't even let me finish the first game. After I dropped Avacyn Pilgrim, Rancor, Champion of Parish and Silverblade. The sweatiest thing I ever did was in commander was Elesh Norn and Living Plane then started looping Beast Within and Path to Exile. The entire table rage quit, screaming "No MLD".

[@ketchumall8243]

I wish i had seen the post and been able to share this before but heres my favorite: My friend had an Atraxa +1/+1 counters deck. He had doubling season and the Ozolith on the field so he was steadily double the number of counters on his field as we were inevitability forced to kill the things he as making huge. So finally i cast Role Reversal trading his Ozolith with 4,000 counters on it for my 2/1 scarecrow. He immediately scooped and didnt want to play anymore that night. I laughed

[@commiecommandermtg]

Commie Commander here, Tomer, your proxy hater was basically just trying to low key say that proxy cause power level problems but it was actually just pregame talk failures :D. Good on you. I used to pull out a tangle wire 60 card deck in multiplayer when some jank hole would bring a turn 2 combo deck.

[@dane_anubis6213]

My best salt story are playing Azorius control in commander and watching the table nearly reduce to tears as I go turn 1 esper sentinel, turn 2 strict proctor, turn 3 rhystic study, turn 4 smothering tithe. Everyone at the table was just passing turns and paying for tithe and talking about scooping. My second best was a modern PTQ. I ran burn against a jeskai nahiri deck that I got to 3 life before the ultimated for an emrakul and attacked, in response I made 2 red 2 white mana and sac'd my lands cast lightning helix into their mana leak then got them with deflecting palm on the emrakul damage. They nearly flipped the table.

[@judge489]

I once got a person to buy a Nevermore just to name my commander due to how much salt it was producing. They were playing a tuned Oloro deck. I was playing a deck called "How many times can I legally cast the spell Cruel Ultimatum" with Thraxamundar as my commander. Thrax constantly made them feel dumb haha

[@oldmate2977]

I once was given the task of teaching someone commander with the community deck (mono red eldrazi) in a 6 player game. Through the luck of chaos warp, we accidentally made a turn 3 blightsteele colossus equipped with lightning greaves. The salt was real on the other players

[@barrytdrake]

I stuck through to the end of the video and was finally rewarded with seeing the rest of Crim's t-shirt. I would be happy to play against him any time, as I think it would be a ton of fun, win or lose (and probably lose). (I'm at a big game store in Burbank, Crim.) My own salt story is that we had a guy in our pod who kept ignoring ping damage that happened during his turn. We would point it out, he would say, "yeah, yeah" and go on with what he was thinking about in the moment without recording it. I damn near just got up and left, but didn't, and he didn't win anyway. I'm still never playing in a pod with that guy again. Fortunately, we get 50+ players on Commander night, so I don't have to really worry about it. My Zodiac sign is Scorpio, so I will harbor hidden salt forever. 😀

[@tierfunmtg]

As someone who cast Deflecting Swat vs a Karn's Temporal Sundering a few weeks after release... yeah, that spell was love at first sight.

[@Awesomesausages]

A salt story of my own! I despise the concept of Infect, and my playgroup's quite aware of my loathing thereof. Yet, there was this one game... Player A on Ezuri, Claw of Progress was confidently stomping us due to a top-end Hornet Queen on curve. I had a Consuming Aberration to keep the ground safe from attackers, but it wasn't all that huge yet. Player A swings for lethal on player B, the latter asking if I could use some lifegain. "How much life?" "How many cantrips are you holding?" So I fire off a couple Instants! Player B Swords the Aberration after resolving the mills, netting me a total 30-40 extra life to play with (putting me just over 50), before promptly exploding. Player A goes to second main with a comment in the vein of "it's a good thing this Blighted Agent has Infect, otherwise I'm never getting through that life total!" (which they then resolve), as they are passing the turn with at least 20 power in play and Ezuri giving 7 or so +1/+1s... Yeah, right my dude. My Archaeomancer was so good at stopping all these Flying insects after all, so happy to see not just Infect which they knew I hate, but on an Unblockable creature, in a deck with plenty Proliferate and a Commander that pumps. It really got to me on so many levels, entirely ignored what player C was doing from that point on. Never mattered much, player A still ended up winning with two or three turns (Heroic Intervention is a good spell), truly to all of our surprise. At least it showed how much Poison frustrates me, I guess. I get salty, a poor trait, but one that's part of who I am.

[@joshuajordan6632]

Yes. We play in a commander league where after 12 weeks the top 4 players who have the most points play for prizes which is a split of the entire league seasons total ($4 per player per night). We usually have 20-30 players each week.

[@yuyu63]

local group has a house rule once per game if you don't play a land for 2 turns you can "polymorph" into a land instead of drawing for turn *Reveal cards off the top of your deck till you reveal a land and put it into play as land for turn then shuffle your deck* and the "no Land mulligan" where you can reveal your hand during mulligans if no land or all land that mull is free

[@williamgressman4001]

in our play group our scoop rule is you are only allowed to scoop if it ends the game. That way a player scooping never ruins the game for the other players.

[@Heroes_Journey]

I have a Talrand deck as well and it's one of my favorites. Love Tomer's "origin story" :)

[@wowomah6194]

Oh I know the exact thing Richard is talking about but I played the Kangee, Sky Warden birds deck so it doesn't run tokens but just LOTS of very cheap, somewhat effective ETB birds and things like that. At the end of the day, having a True Conviction out PLUS a solid amount of flyers, a lot of decks will fold to that much flying damage especially if they're a combo deck who still haven't hit their big combo yet and so have no response or way to stop my birdies.

[@cameronmadison1008]

I have some that I've caused and experienced. I had an old roommate who was heavily into Theros devotion, I happened to twin cast his Rise of the Dark Realms and ruin his evening. I rage quit through Spell table during quarantine and had an opponent cast villainous wealth multiple times to which I just conceded. I couldn't play on the same board

[@sanguavour]

I was hoping my story made it onto this list, but honestly, I'm content with all of the stuff you guys said in the video, and hey, some of those stories are seriously wild. Good stuff as always though!

[@hugmonger]

Ooh ooh! I have one! So I was running my 12 and Turlough deck, and I put a ton of effort into making it entirely clear what my deck does. Its group hug but with board interactions to keep me from getting blown out. The other players are like that proliferate octopus guy, a Ramos player, and I cant remember the fourth dude. I am able to resolve 12, and then as customary next turn resolve Turlough and it happens such that all 3 of my opponents end up with a copy of Turlough who like draws players a card but then drains them for hand size at the end of each turn. My opponents are trying to figure out how to get rid of their Turlough and the Ramos guy is like "Just attack into me and I will kill it with Ramos" and Im sitting there quietly listening, they go to combat, dude swings in with Turlough, other guy declares Ramos as blocker and I snap a Snuff Out paying the 4 life to kill Ramos and I laugh when I do so cuz I was sitting there with no mana open knowing this was the line and that Ramos was the only thing that could deal with Turlough. I was just like "Come on I just want my toxic boyfriend to live his best life" referring to Turlough. The dude gets so mad, he spends the next turn with some mutate creature that is like Mutate for a "Beast Within" effect so he is blowing up my lands and giving me beasts and grumbling "Im just going to blow up all your lands until you cant play any more" and I am laughing cuz this dude is so mad. I comment on him seeming kinda salty, blowing up a bunch of lands at a table labeled PL5-6 Casuals, he denies being salty while again... actively saying he is going to lock me out of the game... and dude 3 whose commander I cant remember was like "IDK you seem super salty" to which the dude is just like "If I was salty I'd just call him a..." well a pejorative for homosexuals.... now irl I am a bisexual man who is kinda strongly in a gay phase right now, and THIS SHIT IS HILARIOUS so I of course respond with "FUCKING TRUE THOUGH!" after which the dude just gets more and more mad. Like dude starts throwing out all sorts of slurs and shit at me, he starts going off, I ended up having to kick him from the game because he kept disrupting other people's game actions to hurl more and more abuse at me cuz Im laughing. Dude set his shit to auto join the game and spent the next 30 minutes on this shit. Like I wont lie... I had some trouble playing on Spelltable for like a week afterwards but honestly after a few weeks its super funny to me.

[@xxPow3rslave]

ah yes, a counterspell that also gives an extra turn... we definitely need that

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

25:22 The problem is that's EXACTLY what people do. Like you guys mentioned earlier sometimes people get salty when you stop them from winning...which is the point of the game. People will play commanders like Narset and Nekusar and feel unjustly targeted instead of swallowing their pride and admitting they're playing busted degenerate cards.

[@jerensteinbear]

I'm glad I'm not the only one with a bird deck that gets severely underestimated.

[@Treblebeatgames]

My primary salt story is also the last time i played about a year ago. I was playing a slightly modified pre-con, and the pod i joined had a bunch of much stronger decks. I dont mind being the weak one in a pod, i dont play to win, i play to have fun. Earlier the star of the show was playing a mono black commander, the one mono-black commander from war hammer. I dont remember the name. He played it twice, killed us on 3 each turn, literally nothing anyone could do, so i just asked if he could play another deck. He felt offended, but obliged. Fast forward to thr osgir deck, he was playing some red green deck iirc, and another player played a card that destroyed all of my artifacts, and then killed Osgir. From there, i knew my deck well enough to know that there was no going back from this, so i scooped. The star said "This is why you're constantly losing. You just give up too soon" as if i asked for his opinion, and then proceeded to make character judgements, like im a weak quitter, and shit like that. And so i just said im done, and started packing up. He kept trying to spin it to me being mad about the game, and i kept bouncing back to "the game is irrelevant. You dont know me, stop making comments about who i am" And short story long, ive not gone back to that lgs, and its the biggest one in my town.

[@SasquatchChief]

Opposition Agent played against Lord Windgrace landfall deck. Fetched a land. Following turn they fetched another land with OA still on the field. Blood was raging at this point. OA player had a free sac outlet to get rid of OA at anytime. An agreement was made, sac OA in exchange player and board wasn’t to be targeted for three turns. OA was returned to the battlefield and the landfall player just scooped. There was no stipulation regarding OA from coming back, just that it get sacced. Even worse scenario seeing Maralen hit the battlefield with Opposition Agent. After asking each other if they had an answer, they all said, “You win.”

[@TacticalOmelette]

I have a semi competitive Ur-Dragon deck that I mostly made as a money sink to put a bunch of expensive cards that I like into cause I love playing with Dragon's in MTG, so it had all of the Ancient Dragons, Gnawbone, Ramos, Urza's incubator, and even an Eerie Ultimatum that I have yet to actually cast but still kept in cause it's funny. I also have all 10 triomes in full art cause I wanted to collect them, despite them being slow and having much better ways to ramp. So the deck could definitely be much more powerful, but I didn't wanna make another stupidly expense meta top tier Ur-Dragon deck, I wanted my Ur-Dragon deck. After I got all of the pieces together cause I slowly got most of the expensive cards by traiding for em at some LGS's (even got a textured holo Ur-Dragon), but after I got it all together I actually found a creator that does adorable proxy's for a bunch of the cards I had in the deck, so I immediately ordered them and put them in the deck instead, while saving the real pieces in a binder to keep. Next time I went to a certain LGS for commander, I pulled the deck out and really wanted to try it out, but I was immediately shut down by 2 of the guys in the pod for using proxied cards, saying that I was "cheating" by not using the actual versions. And even when I pulled my binder out to show them the real versions, they still didn't wanna play with me just because I had proxy's. Thankfully, the next table over didn't seem to care until just 1 guy made a stink about the proxies again. This time, though, the table defended me and still wanted to play, so that one guy deadass got up and joined the other guys who hated the proxy's at their table to play a game. I forget what happened after that because I was focused on my game at that point, but still. The fact that they complained so much about me using Proxy's, despite even showing proof that I owned all of the original cards (even owning all of the Ancient Dragons in holo full art), was ridiculous.

[@Xyariax]

Someone at my LGS ramped really fast with treasures then tried to cast Reshape the Eearth while he was super cocky, i then used Narset's Reversal on it and could see the rage on his face. I have not seen him try to do that again since. :P

[@ZackWind]

Here's something interesting, if you promise not to attack someone, then you back stab them, you've lied to them . As long as your not lieing about public knowledge or something with the rules, you should be good 🎉

[@MagicalHackerMTG]

31:16 If it had been an Opposition Agent (which isn't counterable by Swan Song), then yes, scooping at sorcery speed would not circumvent the inherent issues of games continuing after a concession that is only present in multiplayer formats, like Commander. Conceding in Commander is a huge problem that very few people are trying to fix, but hopefully one day the Commander RC and/or WotC decide to add a clause to the Commander rule book helping people prevent as many issues as possible surrounding concessions.

[@JakkHorwikk]

Mt ex-roommate and I playing magic every night for MONTHS straight. They loved jank and combos and only exist in a vacuum, so, everything I would bust up the 5 card combo with something like swords or a beast or, god forbid, a counter they would basicly move down one mood point. This started to bleed out into the real world, so, in exactly half of the games I just wouldn't play removal in my hand so they and I could actually have a good night and week. I'm still blown away by what went down.

[@craigrivet3889]

The reason I dont play magic in California is because I might walk into a card shop where Crim is. :p

[@martaneon5310]

That looking through the Narset deck story reminds me of something. In my Surrak Dragonclaw vorthos deck, I tend to hit Temur Ascendancy early and often for some reason. I shuffle, other people shuffle, cut, no cut, I still wind up either getting the Ascendancy in my opening hand, or within the first couple of draws. Not always, but very often. I don't have any tutors in the deck to grab it either. It happened so often that people thought I was cheating and running multiple copies of Ascendancy in my deck. I offered to let them look through my deck, they said no. Idk why they wouldn't do so if they thought I was cheating. I find it kinda funny these days so I jokingly refer to Surrak as my "cheater deck"

[@damnjekyll]

It definitely counts as lying but the only time I do it really is when I tutor for "any" card, I always tell the table I'm grabbing a basic land. 😅 But it's obviously implied I'm tryna play mind games, cuz at the end of the day, we are all just playing a game.

[@jackl8025]

Meant to type this on their other podcast about lying?

[@damnjekyll]

@@jackl8025 Nah, if you watch this one they bring it up again as sidenote to one of the stories shared. Appreciate the concern tho. 😁

[@jackl8025]

​@@damnjekylljust got to that part lol. Didn't realize they were gonna run back the discussion 😅

[@PensFan96]

Was playing my Enchantress deck one time with coworkers, had one guy at the table who was a notorious salty boi and another of my coworkers played Exsquisite Blood and passed giggling (he had the other half of the combo). I go, sensing the situation I move to win with Solemnity and Decree of Silence to win with Approach of the Second Sun. Get the Lock off and force the concede and the guy tells me he wont ever play against me again if I use that deck. I tell him that the other guy was going to win anyway the next turn he got. He ignores me and then I ask him what about the deck was too much and he dodges any questions. Previous interactions with this guy had also went poorly, he would complain about any spell based wincon and say he only has 1 counterspell in his deck and that we should all play battlecruiser like his old group. Apparently one time he berated another guy while I wasn't there about card choices. TLDR: Some people will be Salty no matter what and expect you to conform to their unfair expectations. Commander attracts these people.

[@mikaeljordan]

Best salt story...... Sitting on 3 or less lands for 1,5 hours.... All of a sudden i get the tavern scoundrel and the coin flip sliver, make unlimited treasures and play the 20 coinflip wincon card. NExt i play the "win coinflip or your spell gets countered card. And call turn. I did not see it come, but funny enough the other 3 had several answers and after 6 countered spells i win. I laughed my ass of, because it was funny as hell. My brother in law looked at me and was about to punch me. Still my best MTG moment!

[@lora5030]

Love how Richard and Seth said "Is this your daughter Crim" at exactly the same time😂

[@TheKingkilljoy]

I love how crim always looks like he's going through a new phase

[@ethanglaeser9239]

I have no qualms about scooping "early" in Commander. I am content to wait until the next game, and I knew that when I scooped. Additionally, it is in my best interest to remove myself to make the game end faster. Some might call it "king making", I call it efficiency. Additionally, in a situation where someone is playing a deck or some cards that the play group does not like, for instance if they are pub stomping, then it is in the best social interest of the group to show that person the problem with their actions. If you don't let the pub stomper have a good time because you continually ruin the game by conceding early, they will play a different deck to have more fun. Teach them a lesson by ruining their night. On that note, I am like 80% ready to start conceding every time I see Mana Crypt just to ruin the game for everyone. I hate that card and it has no place in casual games.

[@Swimmerwoad]

Scion of the Ur Dragon as your commander was fun with mana charged dragon.

[@Oxygen1004]

A more recent salt story was when I was against an artifact deck and an aristocrats deck, I had the flood of mars on the battlefield and the aristocrats opponent generally wasn't doing much with creatures so I kept attack them while flooding all of the artifact enablers the salt player had. Eventually the artifact deck got mana screwed as taking away a total of 3 mana reduction on artifact spells messed with their game plan so much that they left. I generally don't accrue that much salt as I usually play with friends or online where not much conversation happens.

[@alansimons1850]

"This is why we need a real ban list" - Richard . Spot on.

[@tarquv445]

I personally have a Narset deck and because of the way I like my decks it has no extra turns cards at all, it actually shocked some people the other day when we were getting ready to play, as they asked to see my deck to check for those cards, and I agreed on the condition that they also let me see theirs