We Tested Hero Talents In The War Within Alpha

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[@Scumborg]

My favorite KZbin couple.

[@Bloodnickel1]

I’m sorry.

[@wytchhunter8448]

"Divine stead 2: electric boogaloo, this ones better, f**k you paladins" made me chuckle

[@Frostingale]

its so true though, the people who play that fake melee spec have nothing to complain about. as frost dk, we need constant melee uptime or else we lose catestropic amounts of damage, while having fuckall range and mobility outside of banking a single rime proc that can only be generated in melee range. we needed something to be able to keep uptime.

[@Bigjohn2121]

It'll will likely be nerfed from this version because they already have death grip and chains of frost. It's basically blessing of freedom and divine steed in one.

[@Frostingale]

@@Bigjohn2121 we don't have any ranged engagement tools however, chains of ice and deathgrip do nothing against bosses and don't help us at all.

[@Escalusia]

mounted combat is actually so cool. thats insane, for the RP vibe its beautiful

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

imagine if they put a ton of effort into a ground mount version of flying mounts, with the idea of combat in mind. like lance strikes. A good example is how they did in Conan exiles. The mount riding is so much fun in that game cause you have momentum, and you can do these slides and stuff. The movement is just fun.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Ill help you guys out with the loser list: hunter. Hunter is still being shafted big time. I hope it gets a full class overhaul and every hero tree is also updated and improved.

[@Idiosynchrosis]

DK looking fine with that "call the homies" button

[@Frostingale]

as a frost dk main that was so not how to play breath of sindragosa but i'm willing to overlook that because you remembered the spec exists this time!

[@hyrelia]

Visuals and fantasy will absolutely be what I choose over minmaxing. Most of the mage hero talents feel like what I wanted out of the system, cool class fantasy and new pretty visuals that let me customize my characters aesthetic and not just the play style. I'm definitely maining a mage in TWW. Mage, void priest, and rider DK are the only ones with substantial fantasy changes to have me interested so far. The ones that are just passive increases and some new DOT to track or something are so lackluster in comparison.

[@talscorner3696]

Ah, yes, the "Summon Lads" spell xD

[@OhNoTheFace]

I love a good summon lads spell. Bring in the boys

[@EloquentTroll]

Since you're mounted and thus Fast and Furious, it should be "Summon Family"

[@DrumRoody]

Summon British football hooligans

[@Amplifymagic]

I like the fantasy of hero talents, but at the same it’s a double edged sword. For an example, hunters get 2 elf based hero classes. As an orc hunter lorewise you’re stuck with beasts.

[@64bitUnity]

What do you mean, Dark Ranger is not a night elf thing... So it is only Sentinel. Dark Ranger is an undead thing, but for those who still want to play hot characters 😂 And honestly beast master, should be all hunters fantasy!

[@Amplifymagic]

@@64bitUnity elf and undead, not definitely not Orcish.

[@Scumborg]

Well, orcs are dirty beasts. Best to keep them with their kind.

[@user-Rhefeldt]

Its legion all over again... sone classes are a more defined class fantasy, but others are so varied that these making players redefine thier characters with these new hero specs aren't really going to work.

[@fwam2k7]

@@Amplifymagicbeast mastery definitely plays into Orcish fantasy dude.

[@LightriverArt]

New Frostfire bolt is really pretty. Old Frostfire bolt was absolutely gorgeous. New one doesn't even compare =[

[@d4mephisto]

This has me SO FREAKIN EXCITED about my DK for The War Within. Not to mention my Mage who is def going Sunfury... So basically I get to play a REAL death knight, as well as cosplay as kael'thas, next expansion. good times are ahead :D

[@Ghostalking]

My guess with the balancing is that since most of the hero, talent are passive and they have a separate tree maybe there will be disabled in PVP

[@Nick-oo5lh]

No way they add a stun for fire mages for it not to be in pvp

[@Ecliptor.]

@@Nick-oo5lh m+

[@heathensein6582]

Expansion feature disabled in pvp? Lol

[@DylanSemones]

Hero talents are looking solid for so many classes so far.. might be a decent expansion, complex or not it’ll feel good to be powerful again!

[@superplatinum]

on a paler horse for frost/unholy should be usable in more places than just outdoors.

[@OhNoTheFace]

Hahaha no. Then it would be insane compared to EVERYTHING

[@SacredFeline]

Did you think about this for more than half a second before typing it? You think one class in the game should have access to not only mounts anywhere but mounted combat anywhere and don't instantly recognize how insanely game breaking that would be?

[@fwam2k7]

@@SacredFelineit’s not that insane really, just reduce the IMS in instanced content, problem solved.

[@Twin512bass]

@@SacredFeline I feel like anywhere you COULD mount up, they should have it... like some dungs you can, so why not?

[@SacredFeline]

@@Twin512bass because there’s a massive difference between mounted movement out of combat vs in combat. Mounted combat in Nokkuhnd Offensive or on Fyrak would be soooo broken.

[@uhhwhat9852]

YESSS DK's wont be slow as fuck anymore!

[@fwam2k7]

I really hope it translates to legacy content. It apparently doesn’t work in dungeons, raids or PvP, only the outdoor world.

[@wampXs]

@@fwam2k7 In that case, you pick the buffed Death's Advance instead, which is far greater than any other mobilty DK's ever had still

[@willythemailboy2]

Leaves hunters as dead last now.

[@Xalocin]

@@fwam2k7you’re confusing the 2 talents. One lets you mount up instantly outdoors, the other is basically divine steed dk version and it works everywhere

[@Frostingale]

@@willythemailboy2 lol thats not true at all

[@stormstrider1990]

At least now I know what spec I'll pick for my death knight in The War Within. Rider of the Apocalypse looks fun.

[@Chronix1990]

"blizzard always adds borrowed power thats gone after the x-pac REEEE" blizzard adds hero talents as an evergreen system "where the sauce at REEEEEEE" whats it gonna be my man? these talents are here to add flavor and a little bit of power and not to be impossible to balance powerhouse stuff.

[@Wellshem]

I hope we get more and more hero talent tree as time goes by so we can actually have new specs without really having new spec. The Lightsmith for instance is the second true support spec like augmentation.

[@thisone6uy]

I wonder if they fixed the Dialog bugged Where npc dialog just cancel out each other where only one person is talking when 2 or more are talking at the same time

[@Kiobao]

I've never been huge on spriest mostly because of it being more static and 2 healer specs since I don't play healer, however these changes and aesthetics are making me want to at least have a spriest alt, mage main. Probably paladin too if having 3 characters isn't too taxing.

[@ddenozor]

Hero talents are not borrowed power. They are here to stay, and will get balance changes every single patch.

[@TrampyPulsar]

I think hero talents would be awesome as the way forward for introducing new 'leveling' to the game giving classes new hero talent trees to play with instead of just 10 new arbitary levels. Especially if they treat hero talents as an evergreen system. Sadly the way blizzard designs modern classes I don't really see these as an interesting addition to the game that new cosmetic glyphs couldn't do already, they're just more buttons to push at worst, or a completely passive right/wrong choice for spreadsheet warriors. We're not seeing some actually engaging changes to class design with hero talents, like adding much needed sub roles to classes without completely ruining their kit, such as giving mages a counter-magic hero tree, or a frost armor offtank/caster tank tree, its still just more esoteric mechanic spam dumped onto your kit for the most part, or some talents where its just straight upgrades to core class abilities, such as finally giving deathknights mounted combat, though that would be better served by actually adding a ground mount rework because I can already hear the community QQ that only one class gets mounted combat.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Praise An’she! (Crumbs).

[@OhNoTheFace]

I hope they go for fun first. On that note they need to make one of the hunter specs less elfy. Two of them are (even sylvanas based is just spooky elfy)

[@TommyOhmalley]

Pvp is gonna be wild hahah and I’m down for it

[@Trevan2412]

You took SO LONG to remove that Interract Key pop-up I was losing my mind

[@garrett6217]

I wish there was a different graphical option for Ascendance on my Shaman. I feel like it looks so bad, that I avoid the talent.

[@hempracer]

Druid Hero talents are failing. While other classes gain power, Druids gain untility instead of power. Ferals don't want to heal or tank better, they want to feral better and do more and new ways to melee damage. Same with the other Druid specs. Boomkins want to be better spellcasters and increase that ability, not heal or tank better. They need to completely rethink what they are doing with Druids. All other classes better at what spec they choose to play, while druids get to be poorly better at a spec they are not choosing to play. As a Feral Druid, I want to be a NIghtmare Lord, wielding The power of the Nightmare, not somewhat not very useful utility specs that will be the joke of the expansion.

[@tddybear3324]

That’s been the point of Druids unfortunately. Since we can do a little bit of everything, we’re not allowed to be good at anything.

[@hempracer]

@@tddybear3324 Actually no it wasn't. Jack of all trades was a MeMe. No one wanted that. No one that played Druid wanted that. And that was the design philosophy of two team members that hated Hybrib classes and that is why they were messed up in Vanilla. Their vision was never the vision of Blizz and it was reversed dramtically in the next expansion making all specs of Druid viable. So you are just wrong and misinformed.

[@OMGwtfSTFUbrb]

On the balancing point, games don't need to be balanced if they are fun. balance is only an issue when it ruins the fun. Fun maxing > balance maxing

[@ddenozor]

sadly fun and fantasy matters little for parser culture of WoW.

[@shilohlee4332]

LazerPig has a great brakdown on the A-10 (Part 1 for the "Developers" & Hype, Part 2 for the Plane itself). The takeaway is, basically, Aardvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark! I feel for the engineering crews, but I am now a fan. Can we get one with easier to maintain wings? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYjJpK1rh5ucqNU&pp=ygUMbGF6ZXJwaWcgYTEw kzbin.info/www/bejne/naKUkpZoeKZ_m6c&pp=ygUMbGF6ZXJwaWcgYTEw

[@andrewstowe4313]

DK was always the cooler version of Paladin. Just saying.

[@jackbedford-harman4589]

Does the mounted combat work in an outside instaced area, like Tindral?

[@needysleddog8724]

No they said it won’t be available in any instanced content

[@jackbedford-harman4589]

@@needysleddog8724, ah okay. Didn't catch that, thanks.

[@alanante]

The spells and the talents are looking awesome. I feel like we are reaching a saturation point with how many spells we have in the game and how complex the system keeps getting. I think it would by a good idea to revamp the whole skill system and talents to have just a little bit less of them or to have the talents upgrade existing spells into a different form rather than keep on adding more stuff on the action bar

[@Syngrafer]

Like how they did in MoP, which most people weren't a fan of?

[@alanante]

@@Syngrafer No not at all. But maybe have more passives or upgrades to existing abilities on the talent tree rather than having that many new skills

[@Quetzelkoa]

I kind of like how FF14 does it where they give you new animations/versions of old abilities each expansion. Get the cool new visuals without messing up the gameplay.

[@xXESproductionsXx]

That mounted combat is going to be nerfed. That's way too op.

[@freekeemonkee]

Meet your new flag carriers.... DKs who knew?

[@xXESproductionsXx]

It won't work in BGs. Thank goodness.

[@johnsington3116]

i wanna see some warrior

[@jjaaamm]

The spellbook just needs the same old, tarnished feel of the original, more ornate also 'Herald of the Sun' spec should add rainbow spell effects to _everything_

[@t1mwesterhausen]

So for guys that got worked up over a asmongold clickbait video title they sure swear alot ;P

[@flix1179]

AS AGAIN, no one covering spell slinger mage ( most dps one)

[@kishin9]

Hunters hero talents and animation ect will stay the same and they wont fix any current talent bugs or rework the talent trees they just don't care about the hunter class.

[@ddenozor]

The less hunters playing this game the better. So many keys ruined just because idiot hunters kept using barrage. Boring class, boring fantasy, boring gameplay.

[@kishin9]

@@ddenozor Boring class, boring fantasy, boring gameplay that's a dev problem they need to get good or be replaced oh wait no dev wants to work on the class but yeah people need to learn how to use barrage less hunters playing the trash devs are working very hard on this.

[@djbedu]

I'm a druid. I'm glad others are getting mobility, but we keep losing ours (tireless pursuit, displacer beast, and stellar drift, for example) and not getting anything new. So we are now nearly on par with all the other classes, leaving us without any particular useful niche.

[@Desolaytore]

Still dont care or will ever care for Breath of Sindragosa

[@CataFREAK74]

Hunters got fucked. Pack Leader is boring, and Dark Ranger and Sentinel are way to themed. I dont want to be doing night elf or undead shit on my orc. Same with the warrior one Mountain Thane, makes no sense for non-dwarves

[@Siaman668]

I don’t know the solution. Dwarf or orcs don’t have any big hunter fantasies. The best known hunter for orcs is rexar which he just had a lot a beasts and dwarfs just hunt.

[@kaddiloc1]

Is it me or has these videos felt a bit all over the place lately?

[@DisbelieverH2o]

What's that about wheelchairs?

[@moopers597]

If you are planning to show gameplay demo / talent demo, would you mind setting everything up and ready to go immediately when you begin to demo. If you have to set everything up it ruins the experience for viewers. Make a structured presentation, like you normally do.

[@yodiggievilla3825]

honestly when yall get together and talk its boring asf!!!

[@nasseralajmi1734]

Worst test ever

[@cudddlebuddie]

Ah yes show the same specs everyone else is. Boring

[@Siaman668]

The alpha only lets them test a set each week

[@edbangor9163]

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I find the title for the new expansion deeply problematic. The "was within" in the US has referred to the struggles Servicemembers and Veterans face with depression and suicide for decades. As a Vet myself, seeing it being used as a tagline for a video game has me never wanting to touch another Activision product again. It feels about the same as calling a new exercise program "22 a day". Yes, this is probably an oversight on Blizzard's/Activision's part, but it's not one that I can tolerate or forgive.

[@Siaman668]

You’re looking way too deep into just a common phrase to refer to internal conflicts. Genuinely why is your first thought that?

[@edbangor9163]

@@Siaman668 I'm a Vet who's dealt with it myself and has known people who didn't make it home. Using those words as a game title feels irredeemably flippant

[@Siaman668]

@@edbangor9163 it’s a extremely common phrase to describe a internal conflict. I get you have a bad experience but, even you have to recognize that kinda insane to expect people to not even use a sentence thag could describe a internal conflict

[@edbangor9163]

@@Siaman668 be phrase has been in common usage to refer to a Servicemember's struggle with mental health for longer than World of Warcraft has existed. Blizzard is wrong on this one, but thanks for proving how little the community cares

[@Siaman668]

@@edbangor9163 my guy the phrase can literally be anything. You’re the one assigning this only meaning to it. For a veteran, you really seems to be wanting to be a victim

[@kubi0461]

I wish WoW ability effects didn't seem so bland and pedestrian. There's no feeling of weight behind most of them, nothing to make the cooler/stronger abilities really stand out vs basic or less cool abilities. Everything is just a split second flash effect or some sort. I think it's because of how fast the button mashing pacing is. There's no time to make cool abilities look/sound/feel as powerful as they comparatively are. At least in general. There are a few exceptions are that pretty cool.

[@Ecliptor.]

they could barely balance the game with the simple talents, imagine now lol, hope it works out tho, this game definitely needs it

[@Tyranno-Bore-Us]

I love it, I think the game needs to be more broken. Most people don't even PVP anyway.

[@Claw94]

why no one is trying rogues ?

[@ddenozor]

There is only one hero talent (trickster) available yet and from what I heard, it requires you to weave feint and distract into your already bloated rotation, for little benefit. No visual awesomeness either, so it just sucks.