WE vs GHK vs VFC - Which One?

[@JosefMucha100]

What is the best choice in your opinion? Which rifle would you recommend to your close friend? Let's have a discussing below so that others might benefit from the crowd.

[@FallDxvdbl]

Great video as always, definitely prefer the VFC for it's reliability. The real question is, when are you gonna design and release the ultimate GBBR with Novritsch? You know we will all buy it instantly if it's designed by you

[@JosefMucha100]

@@FallDxvdbl I'm fighting for it every day. We need more capacities first. The bad thing is that when we do make it people will say I'm biased and I won't be allowed to have an opinion anymore just like the AAP-01 video :D

[@FallDxvdbl]

@@JosefMucha100 Hopefully you get it some day, I know you'd make the best GBBR you can, don't listen to the haters, we're all here cause we actually want to know your opinion and your expertise with GBBRs, those people are always gonna say you're biased, you can't win with them

[@jaysonsladen9756]

MWS

[@buddhawetters5552]

the people complaining about you being biased are just giving their opinion so you should be able to do the same thing

[@wagecuckwojak2394]

The vfc’s are so good, got the mp5k Gen2 and the build quality is insane. Out of this world really, feels so good in the hand

[@VIIStardust]

just bought my first secondhand WE - can‘t wait to start learning to tech

[@AirthorEnt]

The Steve Jobs of GBBR’s haha, great video mate!

[@ValaskaErgonomic]

Not particularly. He's spreading... a lot of misinformation.

[@DanielJohansson3]

@@ValaskaErgonomic exactly

[@mattew_2795]

​@@ValaskaErgonomic elaborate

[@sylithics]

Bought my we m4 gbb with 2 mags for 100 pounds a while ago and it’s been brilliant 👍 spent about 150 pounds on cosmetic items and another mag. I do get about maintenance especially o rings but I managed to get all the o rings I need for the mags so happy days. Best gbbr I’ve seen is the mws, that will be my next purchase but right now the we m4 is working fine 👍

[@123456kiste]

100 bucks is fine... even beeing Team TM I would have bought this WE too... just for fun and to get more experience in the world of GBBRs

[@irenaevs]

the WE M4 was my first GBBR

[@67_PowerStroke]

I have a new WE m4 that I just used for the first time at Fulda Gap this past weekend. There is already a lot of damage to the bolt carrier and the bolt hold open is already broken. Very poor quality metals used.

[@BrewMeister27]

I bought one earlier this year. After about 2000 BBs thorough it, the gun won't cycle. The trigger causes a release of gas but the bolt doesn't move and the BB doesn't leave the barrel. Tried lubricating everything but no change. Any ideas? Tried it with multiple mags, didn't make a difference.

[@jaysonsladen9756]

Odd that you’ve missed out the Tokyo Marui MWS. I own GHK, but my MWS is more accurate, reliable and consistent. Lots of aftermarket support there as well. I think you’re missing out.

[@JosefMucha100]

yeah I completely forgot about that one. I've tried it before and it seemed like a quite complex system. It does shoot well but I just didn't feel attracted to it mostly because it looked like a nightmare to repair. Can you expand on this please? I'm curious to hear your opinion.

[@jaysonsladen9756]

Yes, the MWS is typical Japanese ‘over engineering’, meaning it’ll run like it’s designed to do for a very long time. It took TM a while to develop and release their take on a GBBR AR, and I do not think they have compromised on what their core design goals were. Yes the trigger is a little mushy, but lots of real steel triggers can be mushy, and I quickly got used to the MWS. The build quality feels Japanese, the way it operates feels Japanese, and the price feels Japanese (not too expensive, not too cheap) - it’s like the Toyota of GBBR’s. My Devilhunter modded GHK AK74 is great fun, but it doesn’t have the panel gap, paintwork, gear change or long service gap schedule of my MWS. Why would I buy a Zongshen or Hyundai when I can get the QC of Yamaha or Honda? My GHK cost about the same as my MWS, but I had to take it apart and rebuild it properly myself before I could use it. The MWS just works out of the box, and takes a licking and keeps on ticking...

[@delta-wd4gg]

​@@JosefMucha100 Not much to repair on the MWS, to be honest. The trigger box is more complex than a more traditional AR-15 style you see on other platforms, but it's rock solid reliable, which means you will never have to get in there to repair anything, and it is a huge part of why the system is gas-efficient and able to run reliably on HFC-134a and weaker gases here in Japan (which is moving away from 134a in exchange for slightly weaker gases that have several times less greenhouse effect). The parts most likely to fail are as follows: - recoil buffer (on green gas, this plastic and spring-loaded part has a tendency to break due to the increased rearward force of the bolt, realistically it should be made of a more shock-resistant nylon polymer) - bolt catch lever (not so much a failure as a timing issue caused by using stronger gas than HFC-134a in warm weather, and experienced by the TM GBB MP7 as well -- sometimes last round hold-open function doesn't work due to the faster cycling under higher pressure. This can be remedied easily in several ways such as unscrewing the buffer tube by 1 turn, which indicates the timing is off by just a smidge, alternatively by using a heavier aftermarket recoil buffer to slow down the timing or filing down the bolt catch lever -- which is spring-loaded, to reduce wear on itself and the bolt!) - hopup bucking (just wears out over time, as any bucking does, but involves disassembly of the upper receiver from the handguard and barrel to get to the hopup unit) - nozzle (as with any decent GBB gun, the nozzle is a designed failure point to preserve other parts, and disassembling the bolt in order to access the nozzle isn't too complicated -- however, I do wish TM used a slightly more durable material, but that would defeat the purpose of a designed failure point) Aluminum, Cerakoted receivers and "Made in Japan" quality help make the MWS a very excellent and reliable platform. The only two things I dislike about it is that the trigger is not as crisp as a GHK, and that whole nonsense with the popularity of the "Green Gas magazine mod" as propagated by another KZbinr that has left people thinking that running an MWS on green gas requires a lot of work... Anyways I've ranted long enough, I can go on but maybe you should get your hands on any of the TM M4 GBBRs, and if you are planning to run it on green gas, just buy a spare buffer in advance, and be mindful under warm weather that you might want to prepare for the bolt catch issue. Feel free to DM me on IG about the MWS! Edit: about NPAS and adjustable velocity, I'm personally not a fan of adjustable systems, but Orga makes an adjustable flute valve that fits the MWS, and G&P also makes solid flute valves with varying levels of output, so you're covered if you really want to tune your MWS on the fly. I'd advise upgrading the inner barrel first since most TM M4s will have an inner barrel that is much shorter than the outer barrel, so you can make gains on the FPS just by changing inner barrels. Also, you mentioned in your video that the better trigger mech of the VFC are reliable and allow for better gas efficiency than the WE, but the TM system, being designed specifically for airsoft, is probably closer to ideal than a more faithful reproduction of an AR-15 trigger box and buffer. The "hammer" has a steel roller and gets out of the way of the bolt much faster than a regular-sized AR-15 hammer, and the lightweight plastic buffer has a secondary recoil spring that helps send the bolt forward. The faster the hammer resets and gets out of the way of the bolt, the faster your gas is cut off, after all, and the less resistance that hammer gives, the better.

[@Rawdawgggg]

@@delta-wd4gg I'm actually one of those people who don't like the MWS because the things it is better at than its competitors aren't that important to me. The shooting performance and consistency of the guns are near identical when modded to the tits with a well thought out hop and barrel set up. I have 2 newer VFC ARs and a GHK V2, all pretty heavily modded and have played with a few of my friends MWS rifles a good couple of times... the fanboyism is sort of getting old from both sides though, the MWS is a great rifle if I had no other choice personally, but I'll stick with my GHKs and VFCs....i'm cycling a Zparts steel bolt on green gas fairly easily on my HK416 as well on the stock nozzle...fast ROF Full auto...as well as the fact my SR16 has a steel bolt from the factory from VFC and it cycles quite fast too. Maybe not quite as fast as a MWS, but still consistent for a full mag dump. The VFC definitely has the most realistic (out of our mentioned entry high end airsoft brands here)FCG as well in feel design and construction to a real AR. A lot of real steel budget ARs wished it had triggers that felt that good. Your statements kind of confusing, how its not like a real AR15 with the hammer roller so it ends up being more realistic.....which old 1st gen VFC ARs had, but the FCG in those were total trash and kept breaking hence the new forged ones they been using since the 416 probably...not saying the MWS breaks for that design choice, clearly not, but I look for realism first for my collection, and most of the things you've mentioned on the MWS are why I wouldn't get it over more of the others personally. I totally agree he should check out the MWS before he makes a decision and a video like this though lol

[@delta-wd4gg]

@@Rawdawgggg you misunderstand, I'm saying a gas blowback system like the MWS which is purpose built for airsoft would have the potential to be better for gas efficiency and reliability than a real steel-style FCG, provided that sufficient R&D is done to optimize that system. I never said it was more realistic in that sense.

[@theoscott5266]

You missed a big point of why I and a lot of people like GHK, with the change of a valve you can direct fill the magazines with Co2 and get a super snappy, very consistent, heavy recoiling pew pew that suffers very little cool down. RATECH do a (surprisingly for them) very good adjustable nozzle. DIY adjustable FPS mod kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3jYqXR9j5mYiqc . Thanks for the vid, lots of food for thought. Edit: Very old vid showing direct fill Co2 AKA "devil hunter mod" kzbin.info/www/bejne/ep7EZqxnZqmsnrc

[@MrThordy]

Its really the best. Its cheap, strong and fun

[@xstnxyunggunz8615]

@@MrThordy bad quality control

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

@@MrThordy Calling GHK cheap is peak hilarity. Their AKs cost over $550 minimum and couldn't even be bothered to make the FCG steel.

[@roxerpro100]

i run 2 GHK AK's and i must say the WE is better out of the box.. GHK break fairly quick, had the sear,hammer,hammer catch, hopup housing break on me within the first 3 games i played with it... but when you go replace everything with good steel parts they just work... my primary AK has 28000 ish round shot now and only had to change bucking once. i run full steel trigger, full travel steel bolt kit, maple leaf hop unit with TDC mod. (both AK's same internals) also have a VFC 417 v2 and thats a super solid gun straight out of the box

[@maccumhaill5534]

WE Fanboy - Old School AR's - my main reason, Many different Mags, from 20 round vn Mags to 450 rnd drums, I've lighted the crap out of my we AR bolt, not problems, runs like a champ. Steel trigger, hammer and sear is all you need. Everything else dirt cheap on kyairsoft.

[@blu-onetactical7696]

Agreed steel trigger box with steel hop chamber (4 me) barrel bucking and here i am 20 30k rounds still going

[@WieselOnTheFront]

Did you have any problem fitting steel trigger parts? Did you change the whole box or just the parts inside?

[@maccumhaill5534]

@@WieselOnTheFrontSome gentle hand filing, the new RA tech individual parts are good to go basically , I think they revamped compared to the complete trigger box, cwi do a better trigger set tho , never in stock. I hate getting RA TECH, the one downside of WE

[@maccumhaill5534]

@@blu-onetactical7696 Yes, I think WA system realism is awesome in the trigger group, and if GHK had a carry handle receiver, Id be GHK, but they dont. I hear you can fit a Viper M16a1 upper to a GHK?? My WE base system runs good after WORK. Warning, I built my WE as a frankengun, bit by bit, it took a lot of filing and fitting to get it running right , but now I have a hand fitted GBBR, I think its as good as anything out there. But , Ive been GBBR since the OG WA M4, so I know what to do. self built WE GBBR's remind me of like Guarder 1911 kits, do not run out of teh box, but once you hand fit everything, Monster.

[@WieselOnTheFront]

@@maccumhaill5534 Thank you!

[@MetalSt4r]

You missed literally the most important contender here, TM MWS...

[@campingjager4039]

And Viper Tech

[@周生生-f1f]

I think they're just comparing between Taiwan made GBBs

[@majormassenspektrometer]

@@campingjager4039 Vipertech is way out of price range and TM is plastic garbage.

[@Mr_Buli]

@@majormassenspektrometer TM mws, TM saiga 12, hi capa's etc...

[@kozaamovies1779]

The GHK makes G5 which is basically EVO for Stanags, also it is worth to talk about Tokyo Marui MWS

[@ataairsoft3784]

G5 receiver is crap, cracks all the time. I wish they made a metal receiver

[@josephwilding5142]

I don't have any personal experience, but from what I've heard the WE's are nice because WHEN they break (everything breaks eventually) parts are typically easier to find

[@ValaskaErgonomic]

And you can get Z-Parts steel parts which are ACTUAL steel, not the mild steel GHK uses for just the trigger. Beyond that the GHK has zamak/pot metal internals for many of the FCG. It makes no sense to buy a GHK. VFC's are interesting though.

[@samuelpettington2241]

Got the we second hand because it was cheaper, but also because I can get parts far more easily in my country than the other brands.

[@123456kiste]

You will Need them😂

[@NDAWELOL]

DYI NPASS for GHK M4 is actually a thing but I havent done it. As a person who own 2 GHK's (551 Tactical and AK74MN) I`m pretty happy with it BUT I know that the price of those is up to the roof. About GHK's, their biggest strenghts is that their a milspec and the mags are very good - the rest is pretty comparible with VFC. The very bad thing is that there is no NPASS systems sold for those and it's really hard to regulate the power of the gun. Also the quality control is a bit of hit and miss this days with GHK.

[@callumxboxlive]

always making the most in depth airsoft videos, keep it up bro

[@rmtheg234]

I have 3 we tech gbbrs, g36, scar l and l85. I would say l85 is the most problematic (feeding bbs and bolt carrier issue but the v2 bolt has resolved that) of the 3 and the g36 is the most reliable and easiest to work on. For scar l, just make sure every screws are tighten down with loctite especially the bolt carrier.

[@123456kiste]

its surprising to see how many people do have problems with different models. Last time I just read a thread about someone who said that the L85 is the most reliable WE GBBR out there

[@jordanrial166]

We guns are so bad

[@tuscan2280]

Good video Josef !! Thanks god there’s a youtuber like you that go deep on gbbr !! To be fair I own 2 vfc gbbr and totally agree with you 👍 Go ahead.... and I wait for your next video 😎👍

[@louischiu3710]

ghk mk18 have a lots of steel parts from the factory, and ra tech have a very good adjustable loading nozzle, very good gun, love it, highly recomment it

[@OllieTalksAirsoft]

The title should be "I used to use WE" which is now better GHK, VFC or... TM. The answer is the TM MWS. (Having used all 3) Missing out the TM option in a GBBR video is.....to put it politely.....naive. Try one. It's creacoated and works in the winter 😳 compared to TM then VFC GBBR'sare rubbish. (Unless you can get the Asia version apparantly) and parts availability TM wins again.

[@FloChris]

I own WE GBBRs since 2010 and I can pretty much confirm everything said here. There is wobble, there are trigger issues with stock trigger, and the hopup adjustments sucks on M4. But I still love them and I invested far too much money to switch. Also, they work really well as soon as you replaced the trigger with steel parts. Also, you get so many parts online to replace stuff and you really understand how shit works.

[@sogerc1]

I don't know about M4s (because I don't like them), but for example in the Mk17 you can put some e-tape and some thread lock here and there and suddenly nothing wobbles. I also have the Apache and the G36c, those don't wobble. Maybe the mag a little bit in the Apache. And all of them have fairly convenient hop up adjustment.

[@FloChris]

@@sogerc1 its the receiver that wobbles. I tried.different things, like fitting an o ring above the pins or putting glue in the pinholes but it doenst really work. I think the metal is too soft and grinds itself over time Basically you would need a steel receiver

[@blu-onetactical7696]

@@FloChris i just use a magic pin and boom no more wobble a few pmags compliments it very well👌

[@scramjet13]

@@FloChris I used to have the WE 416, it did wobble but there is this "magic pin" , that's how it's called that replaces front M4 pin and the wobble is gone.

[@FloChris]

@@blu-onetactical7696 unfortunately they dont make it for the pdw. Wobble on my M16 is alright

[@capatinswifty]

I'm a bit late to the party but you can mod the ghk nozzles with a grub screw, so that you can ch aged the power, both ak's and m4. It's worked great for me for years

[@meisterwampelp]

You can adjust the Hop-Up on the VFC 416 at the gasblock without tools super easy

[@blu-onetactical7696]

Why is no one talking about this. I've wanted a 416a5 from vfc for soooo long the ultimate hop up adjustment in all gbbr right where the gas block is which makes so much sense using your support hand to quickly adjust. Wtf

[@gigatech20]

Correct its a genius system works perfect

[@周生生-f1f]

@@blu-onetactical7696 It's not, at least not the way how VFC does it - since it uses a very long plastic rod to act as a lever (which rotates inside and push the hop up arm), there's a lot of play due to empty space and elasticity of the rod itself, causing a lot of inaccuracy problems unrealistic as the standard rotary hop adjustment is since WA M4s, it is the most reliable and has the least play, and at least is reasonably easy to adjust with your finger

[@MidWestJigga]

@@周生生-f1ffalse news here from you it’s a steal rod in there

[@MAACotton]

Just getting back into airsoft and it's GBBR or GTFO. This is a wealth of information thank you.

[@xRaptorScreamx]

What about a video about the WE G36C, i've heard it's one of the best WE GBBRs

[@mahadkaezan536]

Also the We Mp5 is great. But I hear their Ak, m4 and maybe their scar to a lesser degree aren’t that superb.

[@sogerc1]

I have the G36C, it's a recent aquisition so I can't say too much about it, except that it came in perfect condition from taiwangun. Works well above 12℃ which is good enough for me, I don't play in the cold. Below that performance degrades exponentially. I also have the WE MP5, that came with a lot of problems from airsoftpro, most of them related to the mags and that thing is mostly a warm weather gun. And finally I also have the WE Mk17, that has a known problem with not feeding, with a known solution. I did it from the first moment and didn't have a problem with it since. Runs even in a cold spring day, although it's power output drops and consumes a lot of green gas. I've never actually tried it with anything stronger. So as you can see my trick is that I have a lot of guns (more than I listed above, TM MP7 and a few sewing machines) and I rotate them so they wear out slowly.

[@kodiakulv5148]

iirc in a recent vid joseph replied to another comment about G36's saying he doesn't really like them, doesn't use them as a result

[@mahadkaezan536]

@@kodiakulv5148 in my opinion the we G39 series of gbbr are one of the best starter gas blow backs to start with.

[@scramjet13]

@@mahadkaezan536 About the SCAR... I have mine since 2011, still working perfectly, yes it had problems (bought new "closed bolt" with gen.1 mags) but after converting to "open" bolt and gen.2 mags it was a joy to play with. Long story short WE's problem is materials... All brands have problems but when materials are crap there I s not much you can do. Not a WE fan boy, they are the only ones I can find and afford.

[@mnlgrnwd4152]

VFC is a solid choice, i love my GHK because it runs great. You do have to buy a 60 Dollar Ra-Tech NPAS ontop of the high asking price. VFCs are much more affordable even in Germany these days. Almost half the price of a GHK! Imo: GHK is great but not double as great as VFC.

[@oscarshen6855]

Parts avilability is king. No matter how expensive a GBBR is, it will break, they are design to break and be easily repaired. Real guns break as well. It depends on where you are. If you can't see any parts for sell in your region, no matter how good that gun is, don't buy it. Because even if a smallest part break you will be in trouble. If parts are widely avaliable, even if they have known issues, you know where to buy parts, you know how to work on them, that runs the long way. In most part of the world it seems WE and Tokyo Marui has better parts avilablity.

[@gigatech20]

I would advise VFC especially the new versions of their hk416a5 GBB are awesome, only thing u really need to do is LOCTITE EVERYTHING as this is super important. All problems are related to not properly loctited screws. There is a video of a guy on youtube explaining these steps. I have not encountered a single problem with mine. Shoots great out of the box. The hopup system is a genius system. Upgraded the barel and hopup system last month with a TnT kit and this extended the range significantly to around +70m

[@bankstar1903]

hey, could u give a link with the locktite guy

[@gigatech20]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXWyopuYaNx7hrc

[@dorinmihai2342]

Would you make a GBBR M4 with Novritsch?

[@facundocorradini]

It's an easy answer to me: TM > WE > GHK > VFC. It really surprises me that you see VFC as reliable guns, as they've been known as *the* most unreliable for decades on. They really stepped up their GBB game in the recent years, but I still wouldn't trust any GBB(R) from their company.

[@MKAnr1]

Yep TM is the best, and better than WFC an WE in cold weather I have tried them all, I would however say GHK > WE :)

[@sogerc1]

WE and it's f*ckin' o-rings, so annoying.

[@blu-onetactical7696]

@@sogerc1 I've had 7 we mags for about 1 and a half years leaking for the first 20 days maybe 1 month i believe what we (gbbr owners) are not doing is maintaining the orings. I started to oil my mags soon after the leaks now no leaks at all not one has ever leaked since my earlier days. Oil every 2-4 uses and keep them with gas inside never ever empty🤙🤙 ohh and the mags are version 2.

[@sogerc1]

@@blu-onetactical7696 You don't think I know that? My oldest GBB mag is from 2013, it's a KWA M11 mag, still in top notch shape. Then I bough more KWA, all still hold gas. Tokyo Maruis, 9 mags, all perfect. I also have some cybergun pistols, not sure who's the OEM, but they also hold gas well. Only these GD WE mags. The worse were the baseplate seals on the Apache 45rd mags, 3 out of 5 started leaking from minimal use. Except for WE I only had problems with 2 mags: a kjw mk23 (the nbb stapler) and a tanaka M700.

[@blu-onetactical7696]

@@sogerc1 I've heard that the apache mags are garbage, not sure what it is but thats the word I got from several users, and I love the mp5 platform but those mags I can't deal with. Good luck with your smg 🤙🤙

[@caleguenther8947]

One of the things that I want to say is I've sold actual colt branded AR 15s and GHks finish is pretty spot on. That's one thing that kind of aggravates me about air soft youtubers in air softers in general is that most guns in real life don't have super nice finishes. You're conflating your fantasy with the reality of what an actual finish on a firearm is. Which its fine to have an expectation of what you want something to be but if you are going for realism and realistic feel, a lot of these companies don't do a horrible job at replicating the feel of what an ar 15 finish actually feels like.

[@FreelancerRNC]

RA tech do a magnetic NPAS for GHK, you can also do a DIY adjustable nozzle using a grub screw.

[@JosefMucha100]

cool, do you have any guide for that?

[@Mo0kie]

Watch "How to adjust power (FPS) on GHK M4 tutorial" on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3jYqXR9j5mYiqc. This is the nozzle mod, personally I got the magnetic locking npas. Though, at the end of the day as long as whatever gun works well for you is the right one to use. Your vfc looks sick!

[@luzhang3264]

thank you for great video Josef. I watched yours, couple of times. I just want to make some noise this time. Very helpful video, very informational. Yours are the best. I am so fed up with those open box review video. They are just scratching surface without any depth ( some maybe aim to sell ). One shoot strong and one weak, is definitely the firing pin/valve knocker. I switch mine to RA steel firing pin/knocker ( including trigger parts, such as hammer, sear etc ), I don't notice jump up and down ( testing fps, or simply hear the sound ).

[@MrThordy]

Samoon now has true npas nozzles for every GHK

[@sogerc1]

Is there a website for VFC where you can get parts? Like KYAirsoft for WE or Samoon for GHK? Because steel parts can also fail.

[@shughart2219]

Wgc, mlemart, also vfc will send you the Parts if you e-mail them

[@sogerc1]

@@shughart2219 VFC directly? Really? Interesting... Maybe I should put their 416A5 on my wishlist.

[@blu-onetactical7696]

@@shughart2219 soooo your saying i could email vfc and purchase a rifle with some spare parts🤔🤔🤔

[@shughart2219]

@@blu-onetactical7696 i think so

[@icolater27]

Ghk is superior in every way! All decent airsoft techs know this, mws & ghk (on co2) are kings. Vfc are decent, Full steel viper tech / WA are decent, kwa are not great, WE work ok but horrible materials used and have the worst aesthetic

[@thebikingviking3696]

VERY informativ, my only problem is that GHK is not available for like a year now and VFC makes not my type of gun :(

[@codemy666]

Wish you had made this video earlier when i was buying one, but i'm still happy with my WE Scar-L

[@JosefMucha100]

WE scar is the best first GBBR regarding price - performance ratio. I also started with scar and I don't regret it.

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

Remmber his employer is partnered with VFC.

[@codemy666]

@@ivanmonahhov2314 I mean i wouldn't buy a VFC anyway, i would've just tried to push on to get a GHK but due to the pandemic and everything i couldn't find one in europe

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

@@codemy666 GHK quality due to Covied took a nosedive

[@codemy666]

@@ivanmonahhov2314 I've heard so, it's really hard to start off in the GBBR community due to lack of info or just people being heavily biased...

[@JOSHHARRIS-v3w]

I just bought a WA MK18 Mod1, very excited. Just can’t get mags:(

[@Guala_Phil]

I like working on my WE gun, it makes the whole hobby feel even more fun Idk why tho, I guess I just like working on things

[@MudMotorsMax]

WE because you can HPA tap pretty much all of the rifles and the CO2 mag option

[@TrackStriker]

I just sold my KAC PDW and bought a KWA MP9 and built a TDC with a maple leaf barrel and bucking into it. I love this gun. Oh, I also got the SSX303 and the bucking wasn't centered, also there was some rust in the hop up chamber. Not that pleasant but now I think it is good to go. If there were any games...

[@skrecok666]

where do you buy these in europe? every airsoft i checked is sold out :(

[@Fizz_Dylan12]

WE with steel Z-parts is cheaper than an actual GHK here in my country.

[@neosplit150]

I have bought the ratech nozzle for ghk m4 it is aluminium cnc with npas, so you can have adjustable power on ghk

[@DuyNguyen-xk3pb]

What about Tokyo Marui GBBR? Been hearing a lot of good things about them or the KWA GBBR.

[@Roboli-nr1mv]

Thanks for your opinions 👍

[@jakubd6277]

Hi Josef ! What I should buy for CQB what is of course GBB ? Not too long and not too heavy. I was thinking about GHK G5 or VFC MP7 but maybe you have better idea.

[@Swiskie]

Bought the we pdw used for 150 euros with 3 mags. It only needed a new nozzle and 3 bolt catch latches for the mags and now it runs beautifuly.

[@DarinHouston]

if your vfc ar15 can work with ghk m4 parts and vice versa , do you think those parts can work with western arms and king arms oarts?

[@spinshade]

WE even in 2024 has some insane QA issues. I had to repair magazines within the first 4 days of owning the gun. The company I ordered it from only wanted to SELL me the spare parts instead of replacing anything here.

[@SoundscapeSerene]

Sorry, old video but I was kind of looking for this exact video. I think I've heard you mention once that you didn't like RA Tech products? I've seen they make quite a nice looking NPAS with custom bolt options for the GHK models. I wasn't aware that VFC rifles came with a NPAS included. Is this just certain models or do they just do that with most of their products?

[@65Confused]

Man i wish i had seen this video sooner then i would have gotten a GHK instead, but w/e i got an WE M4 CQBR as my first GBBR and modified it into an "upgraded" carbine M/96 (danish m4 basically a C8 carbine) and im pretty happy with it, though i haven't fielded it yet, since i had covid when it arrived, so i have just spend a small fortune on functional parts and cosmetics and made a few test shots. The recoil in these things are awesome! I might sell my AEG's and fully commit to GBBR's instead.

[@blackshadows1992]

We need a GBBR from you guys you released the anti fog system now its time for a GBBR rifle and i know you will make a rifle more durable then We and the other brands from cause you know what Airsoft player needs!

[@247pluh]

Sorry josef but i love my WE and have to disagree on this one, love the channel man 👌🏻👌🏻

[@FallDxvdbl]

he still likes the gun i have the pdw too and love it

[@Jeeps-ye5ct]

If you haven’t used a VFC or GHK then..... how can you disagree. You can like your gun and know it’s not the best

[@zeppkfw]

@@Jeeps-ye5ct Have a WE and a GHK. I like the GHK better because I can use and abuse it without worrying about the parts breaking. Hated working on my guns

[@marvingordon7121]

I find from my personal experience that VFC and GHK produce the highest quality guns, once you buy from vfc in the $500 range you get quality. ghk is a bit more quality, but you pay 200€ more for it. ghk uses more steel and vfc less steel and more aluminum. All in all, there's never anything against aluminum, because it's still better than plastic, as long as it's not military standard plastic. Aircraft aluminum is used in the high-quality models from vfc and ghk, at least as far as the handguard rail is concerned. Ultimately it is important that the important parts are replaced with steel and as long as that is done all is well. As far as pistols are concerned, vfc is also of the highest quality, as is the case with rifles, ghk is of course a little better. As far as fitting is concerned, vfc and ghk are milspec, which means you can definitely use real gun parts without any problems and you rarely have to do any rework

[@Kab922]

GHK actually has a gbbr called g5 wich is ergonomically similar to the scorpion evo and has kac internals. It's fairly cheap and the only mayor issue is that the recivers tend to break however there are a lot of diy method to fix that.

[@JosefMucha100]

I'm aware of the G5. I would prefer pistol caliber magazines instead of AR15 mags because of the width. For a GBBR it would make sense to have thinner mags and put more on your belt so that's why I would like to see Scorpion Evo instead. ALso it looks a bit nicer IMO.

[@WolfMan-nf4lv]

The receivers I hear only break when they’re shot with the stock folded.

[@Kab922]

@@WolfMan-nf4lv As i heard from many g5 users if u use a strong gas in hot weather it can break if it's not reinforced.

[@Kab922]

I agree with it however ghk m4 mags have far better cooldown resistanceand and gas efficiency than thin smg mags. To add you can use the same mags for you m4 (if you buy one in the future) and the ghk pmags are very light. I know that the g5 isn't an actuall replica and looks a bit weird but performacevise it's one of the best gbbrs.

[@stoneglobe4879]

I'm personally a big fan of the G5 because it's light and manoeuvrable, a very big plus for me, as well as being a fairly cheap entry into GBBRs, though the mags are definitely pricey. It also has 2 separate conversion kits (carbine & DMR) which allow you to effectively have 3 different rifles for a similar cost to a single rifle as well as coming with the stock adaptor meaning that you can create some unique and interesting builds. The fact it uses the M4 mags is both good and bad. It's good because I really like the GHK M4 mags and if you do decide to also get an AR15 platform from them at a later date you have compatible mags but it's bad because the G5 is really a PCC/SMG and it would be great to have more "realistic" mags for it. Having said that I do think it's a great training weapon for those who do use the Scorpion Evo in real steel even if the mags aren't the same. In summary for me it's difficult to beat the G5 as an entry level platform into GBBRs and I ran one for years before stopping playing. Now that I'm looking to start again I'm most likely to get another G5 to use as my primary.

[@DzasterNL]

I use a VCF mp7, that one isn't that good..thats why I stepped away from VFC. I use a WE Scar and will continue to go for WE m4/416. Just a little work on it but that makes me far more technical expertised. Also because I have 6 mags already, I won't go spending again that amount of money on mags again!

[@emronbalich7265]

When will we get a gameplay video with you using the VFC ? Love the vids

[@JosefMucha100]

when my channel gets bigger or when I get patreon. Now I cannot justify spending so much time on a gameplay.

[@brokemedic]

As soon as someone says “I bought it used, I don’t know how it comes, that’s how I got it” discredits your review of said item.

[@camarols6]

VFC vs WE on a SCAR H? I'm not really planning upgrades besides maybe an inner barrel, maybe hopup nub and bucking. Which do you go?

[@周生生-f1f]

wouldn't recommend WE SCAR simply was an extremely old gun that has structural problems, but not much good things about VFC either

[@radejet]

Definitely will recommended WE GBBR, reason is that they are affordable, and that there cheap to repair, external is decent (good I like it) internal is good built, but with the parts in Triger case that wear out, but is cheap to replace. I always get spare Triger, hammer and sear. only problem with new WE is they inner barrel that has very small window for hopup bucking, and you are unable to put other bucking on that barrel.

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

The problem with this mentality is that, by your second FCG that needs replacing, you could have bought a VFC Gen 3 AR that doesn't need anything replaced ootb and already comes with a steel FCG. And if you decide to upgrade via RA-Tech, you could have bought a gun that didn't crap itself within a month of buying it.

[@Jeranhound]

I'm sure someone has already brought it up, but GHK used to make a KAC PDW. Might be able to find one used for a decent price, and VFCs can run on modded GHK magazines, so that would cover at least part of the magazine price for running 2 systems.

[@NoReason059]

What mods do you need to make to the GHK mag?

[@Jeranhound]

@@NoReason059 Owning neither a GHK nor a VFC, I could not tell you. I just know GHK mags can be modded to work in VFC, WA mage can be modded to work in GHK, and GHK mags work just fine in WA guns.

[@gt128able]

newbie here, is double bell good? planning on getting m1911 723 for first blowback gun + its the cheapest

[@erokkuma55]

ＧＢＢＲ最強はＶＦＣです。少し調整が難しいのですが、調整が出来た時、他の銃では勝てないです。だから私はＶＦＣが大好きです。

[@dayzbandit5728]

an Amalite Rifle-15 is not a Colt M4A1 just so you're aware - you seem to use them interchangeably.. Good video!

[@ViquelOoste]

if only this video was few months older, i'd have catched it before buying my 4168 WE...

[@lagZzik]

GHK and TM is for now only two ways to go for GBBR.

[@adamsagnello6222]

Is it worth buying the WE R5C GBB?

[@rangerxairsoft8171]

Nice video as always, but what about Marui AR-15? Some ppl prefer that over GHK and VFC. And yes, a proper gbbr rifle is all that is missing Novritsch line-up. Btw recently got my ssx303 and ssp18 and I can say I m very pleased with both, so thumbs up!

[@JosefMucha100]

Thanks! yeah I completely forgot about that one. I've tried it before and it seemed like a quite complex system. It does shoot well but I just didn't feel attracted to it mostly because it looked like a nightmare to repair. Can you expand on this please? I'm curious to hear your opinion.

[@rangerxairsoft8171]

@@JosefMucha100 Unfortunately I can't have an opinion yet on neither. I see that some mil-sim teams prefer TM MWS and was wondering why? So far it seems it performs a bit better in low temp conditions. I personally incline towards the VFC as it seems as a simpler system and I don't have to change a lot to a already expensive replica. For really cold weather cqb I ll just keep using my ptw if that's the case.

[@rangerxairsoft8171]

@@JosefMucha100 I went and saw a TM MTR to see what's all the fuss about. As soon as I opened the replica I said to myself I don't want to have anything to do with that plasticky stuff. Seemed toyish and the cherry on top was the upper and lower space. I bought a VFC Mk18 Mod 1 the next day and can't say I m sorry so far. Better quality parts with a more solid feel. Sturdy assembly, mags have zero wobble and the hop unit functions pretty well. Shooting decent at 50m.(on par with my SSP1 upgraded with ML I-key and hop wheel). Hop-up unit is adjustable in a very precise way with an allen key received in the package. Using .32g bbs and green gas. The only minuses are the stock with a huge wobble and the spring twang in the buffer tube. Since I m also a SSG24 owner I shoud be able to manage the twang and already ordered some RS Magpul furniture for externals.

[@buchcraftsweden3846]

that keymod on the m4 tho sick

[@dorinmihai2342]

Any M16 GBBR project in the near future? ❤

[@edwardglisch5954]

It took me 3 years of having a vfc scarh to realize there was already an npas in the nozzle lol

[@TrdTodd]

First I would like to say great content! I’m new to airsoft I just barely picked up a Krytac Aeg. I’m am really interested in a gbb too. I have been eyeing the ghk Sig 553, have you ever had an opportunity to look one over or shoot one? Would it be a good rifle to possibly purchase?

[@NeoMartel]

What do you think about Tokyo Marui GBBR's?

[@LinWu_7890]

WE is very affordable and parts are easy to obtain!

[@benjamin-vw6ob]

is VFC VR635 DX GBBR worth a buy

[@ludlekill]

What do you think about RA-tech steel trigger box for WE ? In your opinion would it solve the problem ? Cause it seems to be the main issue of WE guns.

[@blu-onetactical7696]

I have a steel trigger box and I love it the only thing is it stays on semi until you charge it. I like the original on safe cant charge it.

[@AirsoftDNA]

Its perfect, and with the steel bolt carrier and Angel custom red nozzle, I haven't broken anything in 10k rounds, and everything looks less than 20% worn compared to 5k rounds on the stock bolt, catch, and trigger.

[@rodrigocabral4747]

Can you review and speak about the WE g39?

[@lunazwerenz5827]

do you think that novritsch will ever make a gbb rifle?

[@warorwar73]

And how about the TM MWS / MTR-16 ?

[@周生生-f1f]

Destroys them, the TM MWS has incredible gas efficiency and accuracy The only real problem of the MTR is that trying to take the outer barrel out is a huge pain in the ass since it's so incredibly tightly screwed onto the receiver

[@thexenobunny]

Hey howdy. I am considering the KWA pts magpul M4, it keeps going up on sale via ehobby and RWA.While propane with a lil oil would be ideal for most of the year I already have a massive hpa tank from paintball. If I buy a regulator and tapped mags what are peoples experiences with that sort of setup? And if an HPA rig works, would WE guns operate better with less wear and higher consistency on hpa? l hope to collect a selection. ...still gotta hydro that 250 dollar tank tho. Canadian 5 year law, get the aluminum tanks. Carbon Fiber is not worth the hassle :P

[@Holanduzo]

Of course you can put an NPAS in the GHK, actually is one easy of a thing, just a screw and a drill, nothing else. I have both and I much more preffer the GHK.

[@Obsolete_E]

I want a GBBR to go along with my aeg to try it out but if I like it I want it to be good so what do you reckon? I’m in the uk and WE seems to be quite affordable and easy to get parts for but it has no trades or anything

[@jasonlai980142]

For general performance and durability 1st goes to either Marui or GHK For GBB rifle Tier 1 brand: Marui, GHK Tier 2 brand: KWA/KSC, VFC Tier 3 brand: WE, King Arms, KJ Realism Viper Tech, Inokatsu

[@Diactia]

GHK definitely isn't a tier 1 brand anymore. They have so many qc issues nowadays.

[@jasonlai980142]

@@Diactia Major wc problem with ghk is from 2019’s LCT outsource produced receivers. Latest v3 receiver is fine Previously a guy uploaded v3 misalignment of stock and chassis, and was proven that it’s an installation problem not production failure. GHK is still practically the best among Taiwan production. While VFC, miraculously having a way better reputation than before, only producing better looking copies, still have its QC issues producing with cheap metals. I have 8 GHKs and none fail me, Yet I see way more fails in VFC in real life than on the internet with not just their M4s, but also their MCX, MPX, M249. Broken receivers, slapped bolt, broken outter barrel, broken buffer tube, even broken fire control group, you name it. Never seen a broken GHK M4 on the field for once. I have almost 20 years airsoft experience and I have been building my own GBBs since 2012. GHK is as trust worthy as it is as a Taiwan brand. As they’re making v3 receivers themselves now, naturally it should be fine even for their AKs.

[@jasonlai980142]

@@Diactia GHK and Viper tech are the only brand that could take co2 using their stock M4. They are designed for much better durability than most other existing brands. Not even Marui, the best option, can compare with them in stock durability.

[@Diactia]

@@jasonlai980142 but the qc issues are still very much there. Especially with their aks. Just look at the v3 akm. It's a nightmare.

[@arteon6366]

Dear Josef, if u invested all of that money into WE, especially PDW it would be flawless as well as VFC.

[@-row-garfield3129]

And the magazines still would be lee expensive.

[@Ultra-Collector]

So the TNT hop ups are good? X4 mags =$200! Some will be 4 for $240! Just mags!

[@Black0raz0r]

Well.... for me it is GHK at the moment the best right now because the GBBR version of the Steyr AUG. Also I kinda want to buy the 553 and AK too....

[@michalrab1742]

Cool video as always 👍👍

[@AndrewR2130]

I got a we 416 for 170gbp and slowly gonna overhaul it fully upgrade insides possibly bolt, nozzle,hop,trigger,barrel not shure ik some parts require a fair bit of fitting its a project

[@shadowninja8082]

Any thoughts about WA?

[@HP--Henry]

VFC triger box is it the same triger box as the WE ??

[@gmoneyairborne11]

Should I get a kwa lm4d or a we tech 117?

[@okroon256]

I just run WE AK with black gas and ton of lube (also some rubber and glue padding on wearing parts) so far no problem

[@ilBassik]

What about KWA gbbr ? Is they that bad ? Just can’t find any comments about 😅

[@DecentRecruit]

Having a WETech is probably worse than having a M16a1 in Vietnam. Can't count how many times it jammed on me in one match.

[@周生生-f1f]

I have a few WE guns (G3A3, SCAR-H, MP5, P90) SCAR-H works but it's far from the best thing since sliced bread (poor design, wrong top rail dimension, poor accuracy) G3A3 is a dream and I have nothing to complain about, kicks like a mule, super accurate with a Unicorn bucking, sufficiently consistent considering the bolt weight MP5 is pretty much the best thing WE offers, also a consistent and accurate gun that's reliable (were the dry-fire lever isn't designed in such a dumb way, had a triple dead mag situation that turned out to be due to the lever not being pressing themselves back down after i reloaded them with BBs) After getting around the heavy trigger issue the P90 is pretty much one of the most awesome GBB submachine guns, excellent consistency, accurate and very fast firing Funny thing since you said about jamming is that there had been misfeeds with my WE MP5, but everytime that misfed BB can just be somewhere inside the receiver and do exactly nothing to the gun's operation - doesn't cause FPS problems, doens't jam, doesn't cause inconsistency in loading

[@Ultra-Collector]

Trade PDW barrels with me? Short for long? Did you swap the hammer spring on the P-90? I have G&P mags that won’t work in most my WA G&P rifles because they have very heavy hammer valves! I replaced the hammer spring on one rifle and now they work at 380fps compared to not working at all but!! The other mags in that rifle now are too hot at over 415 fps! Before though I’d get just a puff of air which wouldn’t move the bolt on any of my 7 G&P style GBBR! Try a heavier hammer spring!

[@jungyunseong6703]

But what is the better one straight out of the box?

[@Terminatorbart]

Now it's the time on Sprockets when we dance! 🤣

[@leventekovacs9977]

Aniway, how old is the WE company?

[@WolfMan-nf4lv]

I believe they’ve been making stuff since the early 90s.

[@42cpgh63]

Overall, vfc but if the qc is done right, ghk definitely has a place