We were wrong about PVP Meta BIS and Here's Why

[@xeticus5435]

It was good dueling you the other day on NWL server. You were the only person willing to give me a fight! This is a very interesting video. I have been using elemental aversion a lot and having luck with it. I am thinking of trying to make a heavy set of elemental aversion, shirking heals and resilient. I'm thinking that might be a secret BIS contender. If you ever feel like running the numbers on that I'd be interested in the results.

[@bonbarmandrink]

Shirking heals is already secret bis. Try it you will like it

[@Gonzo-Haz]

Ty for info it helped me thru depression alot. I tried to start a family after watching this and after many tries we did it. Now we have 2 kids and a house cat I can never thank you enough for helping me start my family. but sadly an earthquake hit and my car died so I had to Bury it

[@tzeldetuma3298]

😂😂😂😂

[@planetg2125]

I went from 5 res to 2 res and noticed no difference in light as melee. Have 5 ele aversion, 4 refr evasion, 3 freedom, 3 weapon perks

[@Timayy]

Lol

[@nickhohl3468]

Are you running 150con or greater?

[@amadukane597]

So ure lucky to avoid all fs critics in da face😁

[@shinryuzero]

Finally! Someone made a video on this! People laugh at me when I said the Meta builds are not really necessary, yet they still get their ass kicked when they 1 on 1 PvP with me saying they lagged. Thank you for the crunch numbers evidence via simulation!

[@matthewr2183]

Damn the amount of detail here is incredible. Something I've always been interested in is the benefits of Blocking. When is Blocking better than Dodging? A video about that would be awesome.

[@bonbarmandrink]

You want to block most things. Exceptions are heavy atks from melee weapons. There is very few spells you dont want to block. For ex GA spells should never be blocked but dodged, but WH spells wants to be blocked. Sns/rapier/spear/hatchet you want to block almost everything (exception is parry and kick vault). Every range weapons you should block everything also

[@bonbarmandrink]

Its also a knowledge of how players are playing. For exemple bow players usualy heavy atk + spells then dodge. So you want to take the first attack then block the spell. Firestaff is the same.

[@nickhohl3468]

@@bonbarmandrink most FS spells are AOE damage and go through block, so no you need to dodge most FS abilities. Flame thrower also eats shields, and you can’t dodge it without completely disengaging, so you gotta CC to counter that.

[@bonbarmandrink]

@@nickhohl3468 You can block aoes wdym. Now you can even block aoes with any weapon that have a blocking funtionnality. Even in some case, like path of destiny, you could block them since day 1.

[@bonbarmandrink]

@@nickhohl3468 Flamethrower is coded to go through block, its different.

[@Type2Nolf]

I still run a shirking lightning rogue hatchet and it destroys when I dodge into a backstab

[@lucaspascual6042]

BIS armor perks for light hatchet/greatsword?

[@stefanbatory4488]

I felt like resillient is not really doing it for me (even in small scale fights) since the Season 1 crit changes and switched to non-resil pieces and really felt the difference. At the time I initially thought it's just my bias so I kept my mouth shut but this video confirms I was in the right by doing so. Mages if you have wizened pieces in your storages its time to whip those out.

[@FusionThunder]

Phew what a great video!

[@Cernunn0s90]

Great video! One thing I am very curious about are the 2 perks on the SNS tree: sturdy shield and elemental resistance

[@mecr0w]

sturdy energy is very difficult to consistently get off. IMO it's resil EA for SNS because SNS turns your back to melee a lot.

[@DerrekU2ber]

They’ve been sleeping on shirking on the hammer, seen numbers in the 700’s pop out of it on high dmg attacks

[@Coldberg]

Ive talked ot comnpany members about the shirking and attunement thing, basically my idea was that a heavy armor build e.g. warhammer/sns with shirking will have a much easier time activating shirking because of the slow dodge animation in HA thus making it a more reliable more consitent dmg inrease. They disaggreed but i knew im correct.

[@mecr0w]

yea I mean it's not 100% consistent but 12% vs 40% dmg is a very very big deal

[@nickhohl3468]

Heavy SnS, so I assume a 500con (maybe just 300) tank if we’re talking about war, shouldn’t be dodging at all. Their sole purpose is to provide 30% damage mitigation on point for their team. That means protecting their stamina bar, and dodging is 50 stam, so in any scenario where a tank is dodging has to be more valuable than 50 stam that could be giving old fortify to their entire team or like 2 Iframes to a single tank with a pocket healer most of the time. These tanks often protect their shield by using it to gain fortify and then turning their backs to keep the 30% damage mitigation up for longer by draining their health with tons of fortify and in heals. They’re not dodging to proc even shirking fort and should be running ele aversion and resil as back crits will be very common.

[@Darkness2Maxrocko]

Loving the passion man

[@JKeen88]

Any analysis on Ref vs Ref Eva for medium armor?

[@mecr0w]

that one is not super hard to calculate, basically turns into how many dodges are needed to match refreshing value. Refreshing also affects your secondary weapon too though, which is the main reason it's usually preferred. For low amounts of cdr I think RE may be better than refreshing (same with RW), but once your above 2-3 refreshing usually starts scaling better.

[@JKeen88]

@@mecr0w yea I was using RE because I figure I can get an extra dodge in to make it worth, but refreshing applying to both weapons seems to even counter that benefit.

[@SalvadorBrumov]

Pausing at the 3.5 min mark - to be clear, you're saying each piece of resil reduces dam taken by ~1.85% (except vs fs/ga where it's closer to 3%?), right? So for something like OPR if you have otherwise BIS 3 perk pieces instead, you could go down to 3 resil and come out fine or frankly better (like if the gain was a crucial wep perk)?

[@mecr0w]

I redid the math later and have it online came out to around 1.5-2% with higher % being from melee builds with crits from flanking

[@bonbarmandrink]

Shirking dmg perks have always been better for bruisers in wars/duels. Been months i talked about it on barri EU. But as usual, there is not enough players who actualy try things. You cant have a meta when 100-200 players max are very good players. You cant have enough data because maybe 10 players actualytry things. For another exemple, i know shirking heals is better than Shirking fort or elem aversion based of my own calculations. But does my calculations matters if no one tried it like me? No. So i could be the best bruiser EU, but because im the only one playing this it will never be meta. Also you mostly talk about wars meta, but wars is an extremely small pvp content in an extremely small pvp community in an extremely small game. Id say attunement is better than shirking dmg because most people play opr for pvp content. And as a bruiser, you prefer attunement against range players. Attunement still is king because of the range meta we have since early 2022. In wars tho, go shirk dmg perks. I dont get why people only realize it now. Even before attunement's nerf it was the same

[@hehe152jeje6]

but the shirking dmg only works when you successfully dodging someone's attack.. isn't it difficult to active every time?.. by the way, what would be the best weapon for shrinking? I think weapons that attack slow like hammer or great axe isn't fit for that weapon

[@bonbarmandrink]

@@hehe152jeje6 yeah thats exactly why its very good in wars or duels. In wars you basicaly dodge everytime and there is so much sh going on you will dodge something all the time. In duels you know what to dodge so you know when its up, its all up to player skill. In oprs and arenas its harder because range players are everywhere and most of the time they wont even shoot you when running after em. So attunement is better. Basicaly shirking dmg perks have weapon damage based dmg, so ga wh and spear are the best choices. But any melee medium or heavy player should use it in wars.

[@hehe152jeje6]

@@bonbarmandrink what's the best bis weapon with shirking in great axe, spear , in your opinion ?? I only see bruiser with Refreshing Move, chain, thwarting strikes..

[@bonbarmandrink]

@@hehe152jeje6 depends on content. Id say for GA : twarting strikes/attu (opr/open world/arenas) or shirk(wars/duels)/lifestealing. For spear : enchanted/attu (opr/open world/arenas) or shirk (wars/duels) /plagued crit

[@DevonVonBlake92]

Good video, thanks for sharing 👍

[@JChalant]

He hacked the mainframe!!!

[@iFINNIX]

HACKERMANS

[@SoyDuckHot]

How are the new changes / things going? I’ve been gone for like 6 months now.

[@mecr0w]

I'd wait for the next season to come back but all weapons are viable in pvp except for blunderbuss right now and the diversity of builds in wars seems to be increasing. OPR is still a fs/bow fest but the queues are near instant now.

[@SoyDuckHot]

@@mecr0w one of the last arguments I made was BB would be shit and a couple dickheads in the company just disagreed with everything I said, much of my advice coming from you. It was really annoying, too much ego.

[@po-prostapoziomica5559]

I just gear against what ihts me the most, bow fs and gs so i run 5x resil, u gear against what u see is killing you the most Btw question to anybody who may read, whats better for me? im playing bb and wh and question about wh is what gem should i shlot it? i have 150 int so meybe fire split dmg? (fire dmg on ring) or malachite/opal

[@mecr0w]

prob a t2 ele gem

[@mecr0w]

uploaded the source to github: github.com/benbradley621/new_world_sim

[@LilAlbus]

'Critting does not really change anything on void gauntlet'

[@goksuyldrm6741]

At 1:63 you're misreading the numbers. You say that 5 resil mitigates 1.8% damage but the numbers you have on screen show it's 8.9%.

[@mecr0w]

Yea that was just my bad not sure what I was going for there

[@moo8698]

A bit late :) I use Chari boots on my med set.

[@shawnmurphy6670]

I've been running 3 resil at 150 con or 4 under that since forever. No issues. (Since the crit calculation changes anyway)

[@ranumandla7934]

What perks did you replace resil with

[@shawnmurphy6670]

@@ranumandla7934 Depends on the build. Flame protection, critical retribution, freedom, or a weapon perk.

[@TrulyGodlike]

I thought Elemental Aversion did nothing against Det?

[@mecr0w]

They changed it like maybe 3-4 months ago

[@tbagwarzonecampers5032]

So what's the best build??

[@mecr0w]

depends on how you play. If you die to detonate a lot maybe drop a resil for a SF/EA piece. Maybe a gear piece is better than 5 resil now. Kinda all preference.

[@pauloribeiro7085]

i allways used 4 resil and one ilegal perk if i have 150 con or more

[@hehe152jeje6]

my English isnt that good to undersrand this amazing video.. i wish there is some subtitle so i can translate it or some one summarize it 😢

[@mecr0w]

there should be auto generated subtitles but I can't translate sorry :(

[@hehe152jeje6]

@@mecr0w nono, i meant i wish i could translate it if there was subtitle in English..! the auto generated is kinda stupid..! you're good

[@lizhutchinson6978]

I always feel about the same amount of squishy with 4 resil as with 5.

[@mecr0w]

yea cause it's only a 1-2% dmg difference. It's useful, but not as helpful as most other perks.

[@JustinKobra]

dope

[@amadukane597]

What does mean ilegal perk?🤷

[@mecr0w]

You can’t normally get SF + EA on a piece but there are names drops that have both. They aren’t normally possible to be rolled which is why I label them as being illegal (because they are illegal to roll).

[@bellgrand]

Wait. What? Detonate is affected by Resilient. It's also affected by EA. And yes, it does work with Keen Posture. Great for PVE. Resilient is most effective for Light armor players in kill team. In the clump, it's mostly a safety blanket. You run it to force people into non-crit builds. And yeah, people really underestimate T5 elemental gems and Shirking for all melee weapons. Unfortunate, but the itemization meta sorta froze in the first few months of Brimstone patch. And yeah, 50% is a good estimate for SF. Last I checked, a certain bruiser that is a mutual acquaintance of ours who plays on point team had it up 44%, averaged over three Dropouts-Supple attacks, not counting Oblivion purges. That might be even lower now that Stalwart is gone.

[@mecr0w]

test the resil one because I tested it for an hour and the amount of resil had no impact on the dmg. It is affected by EA and from what I could tell attribute perks seem to affect dmg from det. Good to know about the SF thing, I didn't wanna count it the entire war but figured it was around there.

[@bellgrand]

@@mecr0w I tested it once, and it did not work. But looking back at the footage, there was a mistake. I redid it again. And Resilient does not affect it. Wow.

[@JungleJon37]

@@bellgrand Correct. Resilient does not but 150 Con does. Not sure if bugged or intended.

[@kingbasileus7132]

sucks that detonate cant crit anymore

[@mecr0w]

It was their fix to detonate ignoring resil lol

[@kingbasileus7132]

@@mecr0w now they taking it out smh

[@NATURAL-D2]

I run 4 resil 4 ele aversion and 5 freedom on musket now

[@sebaslopez4452]

pov?

[@NATURAL-D2]

@sebaslopez4452 it's how my gear ended up, but seeing information in other videos, I dropped 1 resil on legs to run ele/freedom/shirking energy on pants. My chest piece has resil/freedom powder burn. Slightly more dmg taken but allows for maximum damage and defensive options in light with shirking energies extra stam proc, and freedom allowing for asap movement against any slows/roots.

[@NATURAL-D2]

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