We were WRONG about The Last Jedi - Video Essay

[@ProductionJournal]

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[@totallynotdio1311]

yes we were wrong. we were wrong thinking it was a good idea to go see this movie and pay kathleen kennedy for this.ASLO 5:30 in 5th episode yoda told us everything we should know about the Force but i guess you forgot about that so your narrative would sound better huh?

[@RaikenXion]

6:09 Your argument here is manipulative, Rey doesnt hate Luke because hes trying to teach her that the force is neither good or bad, she straight out hated on Luke because of what happened with Kylo Ren, and yet she doesnt hate on Kylo for all the bad, killing he has done she runs to him. Too many things that dont make sense in this movie. Like why does Yoda say that Rey possesses all she needs or something, claiming she has those books? Yet back in the OT he begged Luke not to go after Vader saying he wasnt ready and needed to complete his "Training". Explain that please do. So just cause Rey has a bunch of old Jedi books she has all she needs and is ready, yet shes very emotional, shes hot headed and as we eventually learn has Sith blood within her, she already demonstrated a sith ability by striking that FO transport and that was with just a small bolt of force lightning. But if you want to tell me that TROS doesnt matter here and that this video is exploring only TLJ. I'd have to tell you thats pretty damn ignorant because TLJ itself shoots down where TFA was taking things. What about the force vision and Rey appearing in the corridors of Bespin seeing events of the past that she wasnt even around in. Yes Yoda did say the force can show us glimpses of the past and future, so why is Rey seeing such things that she wasnt even part of? You cant just ignore the episode that came before because this is meant to be a "Sequel Trilogy", these episodes are meant to flow seemlessly telling one whole concluding part of a bigger story overall. If all you're doing is focusing on what you see in TLJ and why you think its now so great, trying to justify your reasons and tell us how TLJ is so good and right now because we now have TROS. Your video essay is weird why you've done it now after ep9 came out. This video should have been done like ages ago.

[@totallynotdio1311]

@@RaikenXion you are very strong and wise, and im very proud of you(you know the reference).

[@RaikenXion]

11:18 Its not thats its a formula we all dont get its that they force this in here within a epic on going Saga that was about the Skywalkers And 12:00 Sorry but if that was the whole point to make us all angry at how Luke turned out, WHY do that!? Look what all that led to "hate, then suffering" for all us fans. Look at all the hate the crazy feminists, sjws and media hurled upon us fans who got angry at TLJ afterward. Look at the split it caused in the fanbase, look at the reactionary way inwhich episode 9 was then executed. You think TROS pleases most us TLJ haters!? Im laughing that episode 9 retconned most of whatever TLJ was trying to do, purely because TLJ did the same to ep7. Geez your video essay just really doesnt make sense, i really think you should do another, much longer essay on TLJ. What was the point in ep 8 being purely about lessons in failure!? How then should episode 9 have played out, roughly to you!? Please explain cause this is just wracking my brain here.

[@zererhes9918]

So failure to go against evil teaches how futile it is and we must accept it and let past of struggled go? And I can trust Rayan gets it, especially seeing how he treats fans and after his recent comments how everything he done in this movie was spur of the moment. Sorry, but he could achieve his goals with planning what to do in future and without shi**ing on legacy. Lesson that failure teaches I got from my father, but insanity of repeating failures while expecting different results was pointed by Einstein. Last Jedi teaches me nothing new or nothing I would want to learn.

[@beezer4134]

When we left the cinema, I said to my wife "if the story ended there, I'd be perfectly happy. I don't need another film". Little did I know, how right I was .

[@shaelynmartin1996]

Same lol. When I re-watch the series, this will be the movie that ends the series for me. I just... Cannot with TROS.

[@trixicenby999]

I would have been satisfied with The Last Jedi to be the last film if there wasn't to many lose ends that needed to be resolved. Rian Johnson should have directed Episode 9 and totally ended the saga perfectly💙 But of course the biased and toxic fans had JJ Abrams direct Rise of Skywalker, which i quite liked but he ruined some of the things in the story and played to safe/typical. The ideas were good but the execution could have been a lot better UwU

[@Kaunte]

Honestly, it's the better ending.

[@alcorgarcia619]

Felt and now feel exactly the same. 😉

[@kell_alves]

8 is the actual finale to me.

[@adamlouie1503]

Talking about star wars isn't fun anymore, because of a line you said: I was so angry. Why did this guy love something I hated so much?

[@kingofchris]

Cuz he is doing the directors job by figuring out the story and filling gaps

[@Huge_Echman]

...and that diminishes the work better writers put into their craft.

[@crepperwlp]

@@kingofchris Or his job as a thinking human being. Maybe...

[@kingofchris]

@@crepperwlp well, its cool to try to figure put a lot from a movie but only if there are content, not thinkinh about ways to fill empty content

[@crepperwlp]

@@kingofchris But... the content is all there. All that he's saying in the video is in the movie...

[@Janobot]

I never hated The Last Jedi

In real life, almost no one did. Inside the internet bubble, these guys think "a few hundred of my subscribers and a couple of channels I follow" means "everyone".

[@alexkenchel]

@ I hate it in real life

@@alexkenchel "Almost no one". You do you.

[@natalee8223]

@ I hated it in real life.

[@otinad2008]

@ completely right

[@Gemnist98]

Regardless of my opinion, it takes real guts to publicly retract your statements. Kudos man.

[@ProductionJournal]

Thank you! I appreciate it. I honestly want to see more people really question their own perspectives, I think that's where it gets REALLY interesting!

[@ScaryMason]

Production Journal “That’s good. You’ve taken your first step into a larger world” -Old Ben Kenobi, 1977

[@mr.safensound4238]

@@ProductionJournal I'll correct your incorrect notion that the 'Force' is neutral, not good nor bad. This has become a common misconception, but is not at all as Lucas intended: "May through Force be with you". Obiwan and later on Luke says this. Is this to wish you 'good' luck or 'bad' luck or 'neutral' luck? "For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. " Yoda in ESB. Now is Yoda good or evil? And so if the 'Force' is his ALLY, therefore it must also be 'good'. “It was the will of the Force, of that I have no doubt.” Qui-Gon in TPM. So when Qui-Gon says he believes Anakin is the 'chosen one' to 'bring balance' to the Force, to the Jedi Council this means one who will defeat the darkness to leave only light. That's clearly the WILL of the Force, to defeat evil and thus bring 'balance'. The Sith instead of obeying the 'Will of the Force', they try to bend it to suit their own selfish needs. Yet the 'Force' is there to maintain the needs of ALL living things in peaceful harmony. When the Sith warp the Force's will to suit their own, they bring about imbalance, and corruption. In short, evil. "The Force was basically distilling all the world's religious beliefs, spiritual beliefs, all around the world, all through time...Finding the similarities and using an easy to deal with metaphor for what religion is." George Lucas interview with Charlie Rose, 2015.

[@ProductionJournal]

@@mr.safensound4238 okay?

[@mr.safensound4238]

@@ProductionJournal 😂 Yeh ok.

[@thejoin4687]

Star Wars fans: Episode A sucks Star Wars fans: Episode B sucks; Episode A wasn't as bad as we thought Star Wars fans: Episode C sucks; Episode B wasn't as bad as we thought

[@freelookmode9837]

This is so true!

[@Replica_Films2000]

@@freelookmode9837 not true for the prequels but true for the sequels

[@lugyd1xdone195]

@@Replica_Films2000 lets be honest, back in their time, many people though very similar. Excluding the third step of course.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

A B and C all suck

[@epichal4883]

Prequels were the opposite really.

[@norwegianprince]

"we all hated the last Jedi" I thought it was Rad then and I think it's rad now

[@gunnilingus2596]

What is "rad" about "we don't win by fighting, we win by saving the things we love..."? That's literally the dumbest sjw unicorn rainbow sprinkled glittery shit line in any movie I've ever heard meanwhile robbing Finn of the most heroic self sacrifice saves ever. I'm so glad they redeemed him in ROS and basically gave Rose the finger.

[@JoshuaMutant]

It's a great film

[@kingsleywarne2985]

@@gunnilingus2596 Aww, did someone's opinion trigger you?

[@medealkemy]

@@gunnilingus2596 Sprinkled Glittery DING Unicorn Rainbow DING DING SJW DINGDINGDING WE HAVE A WINNER! But seriously: what kind of person doesn't love rainbow unicorns and sparkly things?

[@Haiganon]

@@gunnilingus2596 That line, my friend, was said by Irvin Kirshner, the director of ESB. Rian just quoted him.

[@pacman5698]

The movie equivalent of the famous meme: _"They hated him because he told the truth."_

[@IKhanmakeWAR2]

"Why are you booing me? I'm right!" -Hannibal Buress

[@seanerzat]

Well idk tho, I feel like it's more like something along the lines of: "They hated him, and completely missed the fact he was saying the truth because he was too stuttery and kept hitting people in the nuts." Cuz the movie IS good underneath all the grime of its flaws

[@bignoasted2701]

Bruh Luke didn't agree with his character this is more like garbage movie

[@IKhanmakeWAR2]

@@bignoasted2701 Mark Hammil* did not agree with Luke's character, but Mark Hammil is an actor, he is not the character. I love him but actors dont get to choose how their characters are molded by the story.

[@pacman5698]

@@bignoasted2701 Are you talking about the videos where they conveniently edited out the part where he said: _"Having seen the movie, I was wrong."_

[@jacobhunter6891]

I've been watching so many Last Jedi reviews I'm now getting recommended videos from tiny channels with less than 1,000 subscribers. I like this.

[@ProductionJournal]

🤣 well I'm glad it came your way!

[@woody_you_want]

All the over reactions caused episode 9 to be a worse movie. They should have stuck with Rey being a nobody and the themes of grey area and true balance.

[@matthewtrujillo3309]

I’m pretty sure it was TLJ ending/answering every overarching plot point despite being the middle film in a trilogy that did that. Like there was no story to continue at all other than heroes must defeat the villains, no other setup. Hence you get episode 9

[@immortalfrieza]

@@matthewtrujillo3309 There was plenty for them to do. TLJ left the door wide open for nearly any plot one could possibly imagine and have it work, and they chose the one plot that wouldn't because they were so fixated on acting like TLJ didn't happen. All to satisfy a bunch of blind haters who never would have been satisfied by even the best movie it is humanly possible to create.

[@matthewtrujillo3309]

@@immortalfrieza smh, there is literally no plot to continue, no real setup whatsoever. Why do you think TROS felt rushed? Because there’s no possible payoff for a finale since every overarching plot element from TFA was either answered or ignored in TLJ, that’s why the first half of TROS spent its whole time coming up with brand new plot elements in order to have some semblance of a prolonged narrative. TLJ is literally a film where the characters end up in the exact same position they were in at the beginning of the film: running from the first order (textbook wheel spinning). I’m sorry, but if people can criticize the logic, character development, plot holes, narrative consistency, even the damn choreography among other critiques, you by no means made the best movie possible

[@immortalfrieza]

@@matthewtrujillo3309 Bull. Shit. There was plenty TLJ left off with that they could've and should've based the third movie off of. For example, the Resistance at the end of the movie is reduced down to a handful. The Resistance building themselves back up from that could've created enough plot for an entire trilogy or TV series just by itself, not to mention sufficient for one more movie. Instead, RoS just sends Resistance back to pre TLJ levels without even a handwave as to how they got from next to nothing to something that could stand toe to toe with the Big Bad's fleet. As for others, Rey was in position to begin training Force Sensitives and create a new, better version of the Jedi Order. Rey being a nobody means the potential for characters to actually matter goes up. Finn is now both devoted to the Resistance completely and has a love interest, both of which could've been explored. Poe evolved into an actual leader (the one part of TLJ they didn't get dead on) and next we get to see just how he leads. Kylo Ren is now the head of The First Order but has lost a great deal of respect, a civil war would be a perfect backdrop to the third movie. Luke's sacrifice inspires the galaxy down to the kids to rebel against The First Order... I could go on for quite a while. If anything TLJ left way TOO MUCH to work with to possibly be wrapped up in a single movie, not too little. All that potential ended up pissed away by retconning or ignoring everything TLJ did, for the sole purpose of trying to appease a microscopic minority of "fans" that never intended to like any of the Sequel Trilogy to begin with and hated it for no other reason than because they exist. And that's just what I, a random person on the internet came up with in 5 minutes. People whose actual JOB it is to do this? It should've been a cakewalk for them to come up with something worthwhile for the third movie. The issue is they didn't want to acknowlege TLJ EXISTED, not that it didn't set anything up. Anyone claiming otherwise is either just unjustifiably shitting on The Last Jedi and trying to justify the unjustifiable crap that Rise of Skywalker was or both.

[@brycebirkinbine4119]

@@immortalfrieza That's why you gotta let the directors do their fucking job

[@diegoandrade467]

The Rise of Skywalker: Exists Everyone to The Last Jedi: Perhaps I treated you too harshly.

[@syndrax8554]

An intellectual: Are you kidding me? After all the toxicity for over two years...

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

Yeah, saw the same hot take on the prequels when TLJ came out.

[@macggnore]

TLJ wrote the story into a corner, so only 12 IQ morons would positively change their perspective on TLJ based on RoS.

[@Dachusblot]

@@macggnore Insulting other peoples' intelligence doesn't make you look smart. And no, TLJ didn't write RoS into a corner. It set up a lot of challenges for RoS, yes, but any good writer with imagination could have come up with a decent follow-up that didn't just frantically try to undo all the actually interesting things TLJ did for the sake of retreating back to the safe formula. (I say this as someone who found RoS to be... bad but fun in a dumb way.)

[@CarlosCMTF]

Exactly the opposite. Now TLJ is even worse. Not only is it a pretentious and atrocious film, it is the root cause of how bad TROS turned out to be. I will say this, at least TROS tried to make it right - it made an effort. Which is something you cannot say about TLJ.

[@JainaSoloB312]

You stopped watching 30 minutes from the end. I'm sorry to say you missed the entire point of the film. Luke was WRONG Kylo was WRONG DJ was WRONG "Let the past die" is what Kylo believed, and he Thinks that he's making a new order but in reality he's only perpetuating the death and suffering that the Dark Side has always inflicted upon the galaxy. He thinks he's a new faction but he's just the Sith with different branding. DJ thinks that just because the Resistance and the First Order both get their weapons and ships from the same source, via the military industrial complex. And that's definitely an important problem, but he comes to the conclusion that the only way to win the game is not to play. "They blow you up today you'll blow them up tomorrow " "You're wrong." "Maybe." The point of DJ is that he is wrong, he thinks that the best thing to do is "live free, don't join" but he doesn't understand that his inaction in the face of evil is enabling evil. The only way to win against nazis is to actually fight them. Not necessarily violently, as Luke demonstrates later. But the Resistance was almost totally destroyed. The First Order would have subjugated the entire galaxy, and all because DJ thought that doing nothing was more moral. Luke wants the Jedi to die, but by the end he tells Kylo "I will not be The Last Jedi" because he realized that the failures of the Jedi don't mean they have nothing to offer. Luke exiled himself because he thought he had nothing to offer the galaxy but more failure. He learns from Yoda that his failures don't make him worthless, they actually add value to his teachings, just as Yoda's failures helped Luke. "The greatest teacher, failure is" and "We are what they grow beyond" is the message of the film. "If you strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the jedi is failure" is what Luke tells Rey, but later he realizes that just because they failed doesn't mean they have no worth or nothing to learn from. Luke's final act was the perfect encapsulation of Jedi philosophy "A jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack." He sacrifices himself to inspire the galaxy, that's the most Jedi thing we've ever seen in SW, and Rey is confirmed to be a Jedi by the end of the film. The dark side is death, decay, pain, suffering, and selfishness. It is a necessary part of life, but it must not be allowed to win. The light side is life, restoration, love, compassion, and selflessness. The Jedi weren't perfect, but the Sith are legitimately evil. The message of TLJ is you Have to pick a side. Even when you think you haven't picked one, you have picked the side of whoever is already winning. Silence in the face of injustice is compliance, and that's how evil wins. Not just because bad people do bad things, but also because good people do nothing.

[@EyeOfTheTiger777]

No, the Dark Side had a win, which is balancing things out in the broader context, because previously (in the Original Trilogy) it was the Light Side that won. The Empire was destroyed. The prequels also show us the Light Side becoming corrupt - the Sith were driven into exile and practically exterminated. The Jedi ruled supreme. Yet it was a corrupt, treacherous, totalitarian dystopia, because they wouldn't let the Trade Federation have their own independence outside of the Republic. The absolute rule of "good" is always a dystopia. Better have dark, grey, and light, than have just light, or just dark, or just grey. One side having total domination always turns to the dark and the system balances itself out through creative destruction. In short, you're speaking like a drone Jedi, indoctrinated, biased, acting out of fear. Afraid to burn your 'holy books', see yourself, and perceive the grander truth. As long as you cling to the light, out of fear of darkness, you will be giving rise to the dark, and its many evils that you mentioned. That's duality. It is a partial picture. Injustice creates martyrs. If you prevent it every time, no martyrs will be made, and no light side will be arising to stop the evil. It's paradoxical, but it's how it works. The Force is One. Everything is One. The endings also supports what I'm saying: Luke inspires the galaxy only by letting Kylo "strike him down" (figuratively in this case). Luke didn't go out there and didn't kill Kylo. He let Kylo win. He created a martyr, and millions of children became inspired. This is the whole point - to act with wisdom and insight, instead of the twitchy, moralizing 'instinct' to "do good." That is egoic and almost never ends well. Kylo, at least, overcame his ego for a moment. He saw that ruling on his own would be bad. He needed a partner from the Light Side to temper his worst impulses. Rey refused, because Rey hadn't failed. Ray wasn't aware of her shadow side, she hadn't achieved wisdom. Kylo was very aware of his shadow, having murdered his own father, he felt the pangs of remorse. Basically, Rey is narcissistic and unaware. Kylo is more sincere and mature in his self-reflection. He needs help and asks for it, but the novice Jedi doesn't get it. This is partly a problem of Disney in insisting to paint Rey as a perfect Mary Sue... She supposedly killed Chewie in ROS, but they didn't even let her have THAT failure. By keeping her pefect and mistake-free, she is kept stupid, shallow, arrogant and unwise. Rian should have directed Episode 9, or it should have been Duel of the Fates... Rise of Skywalker is such shallow bullshit. It basically crapped all over this... Amazing how they managed to make the least Star Wars movie in ROS, the gross stupidity of Disney/JJ.

[@Rwhalt]

Both good replies, but the OP hit the nail on the head with the last 30 minutes bit. Luke even tells Kyle “And I will not be the Last Jedi...” undercutting nearly every point made in the movie in the vein of “not joining”. Even on my first watch, I knew TLJ was one of the most well made Star Wars movies I’d ever seen, but I was so taken out of the experience by RJ’s hatred of Snoke, Hux, & a certain part of the fan base, that I had a hard time not seeing his active contempt for his audience.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" is an incredibly important idea directly from real history.

[@limpbrisket6851]

Dushan Stojchev amazing... everything you just said is wrong.

[@RumoSiAnnoia]

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was right. I thought the same while watching this video. He missed the whole point of the movie, which indeed IS learning from failure, but not learning what luke thought he learnt. He was just hopeless. Thinking that evil and good are the same is not learning from failure, it's just giving up. The point is understanding that yes, sometimes we fail. sometimes the dark side wins, but we shall not surrender. that's it. Easy.

[@JTCurtisMusic]

Heads up, long comment: I'm one of those who really connected with THE LAST JEDI from the start. But I can't explain it without saying what was happening in my personal life: My father had ALS and Christmas 2017, he was pretty much at the end stages of that horrible disease. To see a man who I'd looked up to, who made me the man I am today, reduced to a broken shell of a human-being, unable to walk, unable to talk, brought me to the absolute abyss of depression, our whole family really. Needless to say, we decided to take him, in a wheel-chair, to go see The Last Jedi (He'd seen every Star Wars film from the original back in '77). Seeing the heroic Luke Skywalker lose his faith and be shrouded in such darkness (maybe one of Mark Hamill's most brilliant on-screen performances)... boy could I relate to that. I still remember looking to my dad after the film, asking him what he thought. With his one good hand, he was able to smile and give a thumbs up. It the last time he ever saw a film in a move theatre. So you can imagine how disheartening it was to see the entire collective of the internet trash this film and say "This film killed my childhood" (all while my actual childhood literally died before my eyes with my father). And to be fair, I do agree with those criticisms. RedLetterMedia's review of the film is spot on. Years later when RISE OF SKYWALKER came out, it only reminded me how much LAST JEDI left them with nowhere to go. I just came to finally give up on Star Wars. I have got to say, this review put everything back in perspective for me. You did a great job reconnecting the themes of failure and the nature of good and evil. Big thumbs up from me! Well made.

[@ProductionJournal]

I'm sorry to hear about your Father but that sounds like such a heartwarming and uniquely loving experience! I'm glad the movie could do that for you two! ♥️

[@mandarinduck]

I don’t know why people bounced so hard off the Luke thing. Logan hit on very similar story beats (former hero, fallen from grace and living a destitute life while the world has gone to shit, and then has to serve as reluctant mentor to young girl with same powers as him) and people loved it. I'd also disagree with the criticism about the ending. It left them with everywhere to go. The primary galactic conflict still exists, there's still a First Order and a Resistance, but now they're both helmed by our main characters. The war now becomes more personal for them than ever. Sorry about your dad though, pretty heartwrenching read but glad he enjoyed the movie.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

@@mandarinduck Logan is a different character man

[@MichaelM28]

@@CynicallyObnoxious what difference does that make?

[@amazingbrickz5548]

May your father rest in peace

[@bionicearth]

I love what they did with the Force, "And this is the lesson. That Force does not belong to the Jedi. To say that if the Jedi die, the light dies, is vanity. Can you feel that?"

[@Neonytic]

Why did the source material need to be disrespected in the manner it did, just to say a message we all should've realized from the goddamn prequels? The jedi failed in the prequels. OBVIOUSLY they don't represent the ultimate balance of the force.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

What moron ever felt that way tho? Honestly with the "But nobodies can do stuffs and and and force isnt just Jedi waaah" like did those people really ever fucking watch Star Wars I really want to know where the mind set came from so I can dog it into the ground

[@Shawn-363]

Except the Jedi have never said that they are the light side. This has literal never been a thing and it’s obvious Rian Johnson doesn’t understand the source material.

[@gunnilingus2596]

Jedi seek to become one with the force. Sith seek to enslave and twist it. That's why their eyes turn red when they misuse it. The original point was selflessness and wisdom are more desirable attributes than lust for power and unbridled passion. Rian Johnson lost sight of that.

[@demonetizedentertainment4291]

I thought it was beautiful and resonance what Yoda said about the Force not being about the flesh. Luke was right, the Jedi continually over stretched their authority. The set up of this movie was great; however, the ending and pay offs for plot points seemed rushed and almost as if he had one week to tie everything up.

[@Mve-90]

I loved it from the start. I loved TFA also but i found it the most safest Sw movie ever. And to much nostalgia, TLJ did exactly what I wanted : suprise me, be new and interesting. To bad TROS was pure fanmade again. But welcome to the club bro.

[@ryanbarth6691]

Well we're allowed to like and dislike whatever we want

[@woody_you_want]

Couldn't agree more. I thought TFA did what it had to do to introduce a new generation to the saga but TLJ was the first time star wars surprised me in years. I remember looking at my buddy with our Jaws dropped when kylo killed snoke

[@Kost-ld6nx]

Umm did you like read my mind because when I was walking into the theatre for TLJ that was my biggest concern, the second snoke died I was so happy, I was happy because I didn’t expect it

[@goddamnit7230]

I really wished I could enjoy it. I simply could not. I find its writing to be completely ineffective in the sense we end up in the exact same situation we were previously. Kylo Ren loses, which makes him an absolutely pointless villain. What is going to happen in the third movie? Lose again? Rey still absolutely destroys and has little to no flaws. Conquering every situation with little to no effort. I don't mind the way Luke was presented but I wished it was done better. For example, instead of trying to murder a sleeping kid. What if instead, it was his hope that became his downfall? That despite the visions he foresaw and the future he could see Ben succumbing to. Having hope and believing that Ben would defy and defeat such an alluring position as one day, Ben does kill his fellow students and takes a few with him. This would shatter Luke, not only would it explain his cynical and hermitage behavior but also help with his character provided from the original trilogy. It would have been a simple and effective change but instead, Luke just becomes like Vader? Something he adamantly denied in the original trilogy and a lesson he already learned. This to me simply is just broken and ineffective writing and only one example of this. You can absolutely have all the things that happened, all you required was a bit better writing to make it much more memorable and organic. I really wished I enjoyed it but I can understand those who enjoy the story. I simply blame it for exactly what would have happened with Rise of Skywalker. I hilariously joked to my friend and predicted much of the movie. Snoke is dead, and Disney is too cowardly to make Kylo the villain so I guarantee you Palpatine will be bad guy. That happened. Also, said that they would make it seem like Rey would turn to the dark side somehow but it wouldn't be enough and simply be rushed because it is the last movie. Did happen, and that there would be little to no stakes because this second movie was supposed to establish them. People say Rey hearing she is nobody is her big turn but this is also bad writing and I believe it to be objective. Rey, has had no reason to believe her parents were anyone. This can be blamed on the force awakens as it was Disney themselves who hyped: Who are these people related too? Luke was never thought to be related to anyone important until it happened. It was interesting because we didn't expect such a background. Here, why would Rey care? She only cared about finding them, I don't believe she placed any substantial belief that she thought them to be important. We were never shown this, and that is the problem with this trilogy overall. The things shown are hilariously bad, while interesting parts, like Rey escaping on Snoke's escape pod are surprisingly removed. I believe the second movie would have been better with Rey accepting the deal as a new start. It would have provided something different and more interesting from that part forward. Sadly, as we could clearly see, none of this was ever remotely planned. This was the fault of the Force Awakens and the Last Jedi as both movies seemed to be completely abandoned by their following film. Hooks are important to connect stories but only the most basic ones are provided here and it makes it a jumbled mess.

[@matthewtrujillo3309]

@@Kost-ld6nx I was pretty disappointed like why hype up Snoke as the big villain, keep him a mystery, and kill him off without explaining who he was. Like what was the point of having these plot elements. I dunno having a Chekhov’s gun tropes is always terrible for a story

[@TheVCRTimeMachine]

"We all hated 'The Last Jedi'"....Not me, mate. I loved it from day one. Welcome aboard.

[@rcdune7132]

Queer😂😂

[@michaelmeredith912]

Same. I loved it and think it’s the best one

[@rcdune7132]

@@michaelmeredith912 how's it feel having shit taste and not understanding Star Wars?😂

[@PixelCrabs]

​@rcdune7132 how's it feel being apart if the same dogmatic thinking that the movie is critiquing and literally what caused Darth Vader to come into existence?

[@rcdune7132]

@@PixelCrabs how's it feel being a complete and utter R3tard?😂 Haha seriously tell me you know absolutely nothing about Star Wars or George Lucas without telling me you know absolutely nothing about Star Wars or George Lucas 🤦🏻... You Disney lovers are all the same

[@AmidalaEmma]

Personally Ive loved this movie since the beginning and am heartbroken with the choices made in TROS and the retconning of what is not only its sequel but also the previous 8 films (Is Anakin still even the chosen one?). And, to top it off, I REALLY want Ben Solo back!!!

[@ahsoka5216]

Colin Trevorrow's version would've connected both TFA and TLJ and all the games, 2 other trilogies, and the tv shows. Unfortunately, he was canned from directing Episode 9 for not matching KK vision 🙄.

[@JediLivesMatter2]

There wouldn't have to be any recons if RJ knew any of the original theories story structure. This movie is a absolutely fuk fest. Fuck subverting expectations there were none you bunch of SJW. The massacre of Luke Skywalker was obtuse to be kind. So F*CK OFF RJ!

[@danb7202]

That’s precisely why The sequels are bad. It completely negates Anakins redemption

[@ahsoka5216]

@@danb7202 I do agree to a certain extent that the Sequels do negate Anakin's destiny, but I feel like TROS is what really ruined it because in the other two movies they never even mention or give clues to Palpatine's return. If Snoke faked his death and Palpatine wasn't brought back instead, then I think the Sequel trilogy wouldn't be hated as much.

[@danb7202]

Ahsoka 521 well yeah, if the trilogy took a different turn other than everyone’s related to someone I would’ve enjoyed it a little more. TLJ has its flaws but it tried something new, and as a result the next movie was terrible just because they were trying to undo all of the bold choices made in the previous movie

[@eelnus]

Finn and Poe actually have their own arc. Finn is on his own hero’s journey. Call to action, rejecting it and being selfish and eventually seeing what’s going on in the world and learning to join the team. That was the purpose of canto bight. Poe goes from hothead easy solutions without thinking about consequences to learning about responsibility and leadership. Those parts may seem boring if you’re looking from action POV, but they were character building. TLJ was much more character driven.

[@reallydopegaming8229]

Exactly, the movie would hardly be the same without those moments

[@Vermonstered]

Finn is on his own heros journey... To be led stopped from any semblance of free will and controlled by Rose the entire movie. She stops him getting into the escape pod, she tells him what and what isn't worth it, she even ensures he can't even die how he wishes. Yes, such the hero. Poe is much the same way. He, with his childish insults actually gets something done in the beginning of the movie. The entire rest of the movie he's chastised for not following directions and taking initiative. Only to see the female admiral sacrifice even more, the whole last capital ship and only one with a hyperdrive, to essentially do the same thing as Poe did but if celebrated. And no, just because she takes out more ships doesn't make it better, as her sacrifice was much greater and no one got away due to it. Yes... Heroes.

[@Allen.Christian]

​@@VermonsteredRose is one of multiple influences on Finn. She's the true believer. His whole arc in TLJ is being tested and tempted. He rejects the call, reluctantly answers the call to help his friend, learns multiple perspectives on the conflict he's found himself in, and reaches apotheosis at the climax. Standard hero's journey. Poe has a juvenile view on leadership and taking risks. He thinks he knows more about what needs to be done and is unwilling to truly listen to anyone. He believes people who are more risk-averse to be cowards. When his plan fails, and in the end he sees that the person he was butting heads with was not a coward, but was willing to sacrifice when necessary, he learned a deeper meaning of leadership. Holdo didn't exist to make Poe look bad, she existed entirely as a mirror for Poe. If there is any complaint to be had about that character, it's that she was otherwise empty. She only existed to serve his arc. And that you can't see the difference between Poe making an unnecessary sacrifice of someone else's life when he had been told otherwise and someone making a sacrifice play when no other options were available says more about you and your inability to comprehend context than it says about the people who made the movie.

[@Vermonstered]

@@Allen.Christian What the heck are you talking about? Did you flip Rose's gender in your first paragraph to call her him the entire second half? Or are you flipping to Finn mid sentence? Rose and Finn literally fail every task they attempt sans Rose preventing Finn from doing a single thing of his free will when she shocks him when he wants to escape or stop him when he is taking out the ground laser. She prevents him from doing anything, everything else? They fail at. They don't get help. They get betrayed. They don't accomplish a single thing beneficial in the entire movie. A hero you say for either of them? Impossible when they didn't accomplish anything during the entire movie except not getting themselves killed. As for your Poe paragraph... Somehow you don't realize Poe's plan is the same as Holdo's. Poe literally took the already deployed fighter bomber wings to engage the destroyer and allow the fleet to escape and for everyone to escape the planet before the main gun fired on the base. Surprise! He was successful but wasn't allowed to finish the job of the ALREADY DEPLOYED WINGS because Holdo. Holdo created the problem of running. Then SURPRISE! She does the same thing (solo run except with the most valuable ship) to be allowed to finish the job leaving the 'fleet' to consist of escape shuttles.... Yay? That's leadership? To chastise the exact same action to even greater losses and with a worse result? As Holdo's action cost the last capital ship and now they're down to a few dozen people set to be slaughtered on the planet below. You're obviously not about results based leadership or action based leadership. The last paragraph makes no sense at all. Holdo cost the entire fleet and everyone's lives. Without intervention of Chewie, Rey and Luke, none of which Holdo knew about, Holdo's plan from the start is to run out of gas and die on Crait. Awesome! It's literally run away while in visual range and hide behind the only tree (planet) in the desert (space) thinking they can't see you. It's stupid to an extreme and if you can't see the folly is any of that you didn't see the movie I did or you find the dumbest things, genius moves. As it takes true incompetence to think Holdo's actions so far superior to Poe's even though she killed the entire fleet instead of a few fighters and bombers, most of which were killed following Holdo's orders to run away. 🤦

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

I’m going to be honest I think we’re in a very different film critique culture, at least on KZbin. I call it the “plot hole *ding*” form of critique. Where we focus so much on plot that there’s no room for themes, characterization, cinematography, acting effects etc (this is just a general statement not an indictment of every film critic on KZbin). It’s to the point where I don’t believe the original Star Wars would even be liked on KZbin if it was released today

[@ProductionJournal]

Film landscape has changed vastly since the 70's and critics changed accordingly. To say that the original Star Wars films would underperform today I believe is mostly true. Certainly a product of its time.

[@PauLtus_B]

It was an absolute shitshow of terrible criticism. Everyone is in their right to dislike any movie as much as they do, but if your arguments for why it's supposedly "objectively bad" are just as applicable to any other Star Wars movie something's going very wrong. I'd love to have a conversations with people about the movie who actually have some decent argument for it. The types of people I'm seeing either enjoy it, don't care to talk about it, or are so set on proving that it's a crime against art and humanity that they pretend the villain's motive is the motive of the movie instead of what the wise guy from the previous movies coming back from the dead said to literally explain the message of the movie. The Last Jedi is not subtle.

[@ooDriveoo]

Thanks for sharing and much respect for publicly changing your mind. It takes a load of guts to do that. I love Star Wars but fandom often falls onto dogmatism that prevents them to accept new things as they come. You nailed exatly the things I love about the film (and the things that I dislike, i.e. useless chase, useless arc, and unnecessary character development). Luke is in true PTSD mode and is terrified to teach Rey because he senses she is extremely comfortable with the dark side. What I love about this one, is what I love about Empire, new knowledge of the force and main character development. Even Yoda. YEah whatever, similarities between both are abundant. It is obvious that Johnson went for a similar film, he took bold risks, and we see the results. Half of the people hate joker as well. Anyhow, thanks for sharing and for letting me know I am not alone in the galaxy

[@johnnyboy3849]

Luke at the end of TLJ was the perfect model Jedi. Saving everyone, never attacking, and the only person to die after he shows up is himself. What a man. What a legend. What a Jedi

[@Dutch_man20]

You know what immediately ruined that moment tho? He fucking died as soon as he was redeemed. It was such a cop out

[@LordTactusMe]

@CaptainFett ✔️ he did not though. He only thought about it for a second after seeing the vision of the future from Ben’s mind.

[@youtubeuser4943]

@CaptainFett No, rewatch the movie again. Luke literally says it was a "fleeting moment" kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2XbeXufobmca7s&ab_channel=TheBurgerHut7 even tho a part of the scene is cut you can clearly see Luke did not intend to strike and the actual events of what happened was Ben lashed out at Luke. He made the strike, not Luke. And please don't come back at me calling me a ST defender or TLJ apologist. I just think the movie should be judged on what actually happened and has way worse sins made in it

[@cucumberwater6]

@CommandoFett he didn't raise the lightsaber

[@aconybell3771]

I've had a milkshake thrown at me in public for saying The Last Jedi was my favorite Star Wars film.

[@lindenstromberg6859]

Longtime Star Wars viewer. What people don't remember even though it was just over a half a decade ago: The prequel trilogy was once the most hated series of films in existence. What people remember even less, prior to 93-95: The Return of the Jedi was considered one of the worst blockbuster films of all time... except for The Empire Strikes Back. Star Wars fans seem to have hated every single sequel or prequel at one point or another only to change their minds later.

[@breaks0]

Who likes the prequel trilogy now? I still hate it except for Sith.

[@MikeTXBC]

@@breaks0 From what I've seen? A lot of people in their 20s and maybe early 30s who grew up with the prequel trilogy. They love the prequels, whereas older fans often didn't care for it (or in some cases, outright despised it). It'll be the same thing for the sequel trilogy.

[@minnemon110]

@@breaks0 My fucking math teacher

[@larkermouse]

"We all hated it because it wasn't the formula we were all used to and loved" is so accurate, though. Rian was looking at what it means to be a hero, what are the things worth fighting for, how do we understand good, evil, and what's in between, and he completely deconstructed it, and analyzed it from angles we hadn't seen before in Star Wars.

[@zebbr0s]

Yes! I just bought the artbook for TLJ and it's so great to read what Rian was thinking throughout the production. he put a lot of care in this movie and it's so irritating to see people get pissed over it because it wasn't fanservice (and if KNOW there are legitimate critiques to TLJ, dont at my bruvs)

[@cesarrivera8626]

If you want to experience something that explores these concepts with a truly unique formula but it also remains faithful to Star Wars then play Knights Of The Old Republic 2.

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

@@cesarrivera8626 ah a man of culture

[@magicwaffles586]

@@cesarrivera8626 +1 on this. KotoR completely deconstructed the light/dark black/white aspect of Jedi/sith/the force and honestly did it better. I still really don't like the Canto Bight part, or flying Leia, but neither of those were dealbreaking for me. TLJ was a great movie, and challenged us as fans even though many fans didn't want to be challenged (which I think is still absolutely fair).

[@kyberghost3607]

The whole plot doesn’t make any sense at all, and it doesn’t even follow canon. In my opinion it’s a bad movie, because the more I actually think about it, the worst it gets.

[@samuelfett1436]

People got so heated about the Thala-Siren scene. As soon as someone mentions Luke milking an animal as a reason to hate TLJ, I know they don’t know what they’re talking about.

[@SteveSmith-rt7wx]

Just because you get off to alien milking or character assassination, doesn’t mean that’s a normal opinion

[@samuelfett1436]

@@SteveSmith-rt7wx oh look, someone proving my point.

[@Golems_victory]

​@@samuelfett1436based lol. Also the guys an idiot XD Luke milking a space alien wasn't character assassination at all. Lol it was just a fun comedic gag. XD

[@mandoreforger6999]

They know what they are talking about. None are saying that is the ONLY reason. That was just the last straw, the one that broke the camel’s back. The most visceral of a hundred reasons. Maybe you don’t understand.

[@mandoreforger6999]

@@samuelfett1436he did not prove your point. Character assassination is what people are angry about. Luke came across as a pathetically angry hermit.

[@samquattrociocchi4427]

This is a great video, but you're missing an INTEGRAL part of the whole thing. The message at the end is that Kylo is wrong. Sure we need to learn from the past and create something new. But we should still strive to do good. Luke said the force and light do not belong to the Jedi, but he didn't say there was no light. The point of Finn's arc was that he also was struggling with nihilism and the idea that not taking a side is the best path. But he realizes that's not true, there is still value to believing in something and fighting for it even if the world makes it hard sometimes and it's not as clear cut as we are told it is. That's why he says "you're wrong" to DJ when he's betrayed at the end. Luke has a similar realization. His nihilism is challenged by Yoda. Yes, we must accept the failure of the Jedi and the futility of its struggle against the sith. But that doesn't mean we stop fighting. Instead, we learn from the past, and create something new. "The war is just beginning, the rebellion is reborn, and I will not be the Last Jedi." Kylo and DJ were VILLAINS. They were almost right, but ultimately wrong because they were misguided. DJ used his nihilism as an excuse to look out for only himself since nobody and no side is any more valid than him and his interests. Kylo used his nihilism as an excuse to try and seize power for himself because neither side is any more right than the other. Their failing is that you can recognize the flaws in previous ways of doing things and in certain causes without losing the drive to be good and fight for a cause. Kylo saw the failures of the Jedi and the Sith and used it to justify seizing power. Rey and Luke saw the same failures, but chose to learn from them and move forward to create a way of being a Jedi that is better.

[@JXEditor]

Very well said.

[@edwardelric603]

100% correct. This video is awful

[@felipeherrera6507]

INTELIGENT AS FUCK !!! GOOD MAN, HOPE YOU LIKED THE MOVIE AS MUCH AS I DO

[@hargibson18]

Exactly right. I just made a comment regarding this exact point, but you managed it more concisely than I did.

[@caylya7869]

@@edwardelric603 Toxic

[@DefinitelyAPotato]

"WE" "WE ALL HATED THE LAST JEDI" no we didn't lmao, some of us knew it was great from the start

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

It was a decent movie, but as part of a larger story, it's terrible. It's like having Earnest Hemingway write chapter eight of 'Pride and Prejudice'. Hemingway was a great writer, but a chapter by him in a Jane Austen novel would ruin the overall story.

[@RobSomeone]

I've had to defend this movie since it's release so much because I loved how it was moving towards the grey, not the extremes. Definitely a more modern take on the original's very classical themes. I was so excited for the third movie and what Kylo's and Rey's interpretation of the grey, the balance, could be. Then Disney overreacted to fan complaining and now we went from a movie that some people loved some people hated, to a movie that pretty much everyone hated.

[@nihadanwar2]

Well said. It was the rage mob, hatred, and close-mindedness of fans that forced the pile of trash that is TROS. I loved The Last Jedi for what it dared to do. It offered a new take, novelty something The Force Awakens didn't offer (although it was very entertaining).

[@oneboss7648]

Totally agree, it just did something new interesting and profound

[@jknetwork6211]

Man all these last Jedi recommendations are hitting me up hard ever since rise of skywalker came out. And it’s crazy how many people have changed their minds of the last Jedi like how they did with the prequels. I never thought it would happen with the last Jedi but it did. And I can see why. Yes it’s heavily flawed but it does have it’s really good moments. The themes, the lessons of the force, Luke and Rey’s interactions, the Kylo stuff and of course the music. I never hated the last Jedi. I even still think it’s not a terrible Star Wars film like most do. I just acknowledge it’s flaws and enjoy it for what it is. Good video. Glad I found your channel.

[@Howl14]

And now that cant happen to TROS, because there is no movie after where we can go "TROS was actually good"

[@Vermonstered]

@@Howl14 TRoS was given an impossible task. To carry the load of 2.5 movies within a trilogy because TLJ decided to subvert expectations and summarily dead end or just kill off every interesting storyline from TFA. Snoke? A nobody and dead. Luke? Grumpy old man and dead. Rey backstory? A nobody and not important. Rey future? Who knows she got maybe a days worth of training in and some books to read with the last Jedi. Kylo? Maybe a promotion but still conflicted showing he's not the big bad hence no big bad besides generalized First Order. The Rebellion? Reduced to a single ship and less than 20 people who all fail at everything besides Rey. That's simply not a good point to be at to start the third and final pay off movie. You now need to introduce a path to greatness, show the impediments to it and how to overcome it, develop a centralized big bad and it's importance and pay it off all in one movie... That's not happening unless it's 4+ hours long.

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

that's a shame that people's mind changed

[@jknetwork6211]

The Dark Master The Dark Master why? That’s normal

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

@@jknetwork6211 It's normal to only like the last jedi? toxic much

[@samwoodson9603]

I disagree with your take. I loved the Last Jedi, but I don’t think it’s about not taking sides. I don’t think DJ should be the character you take the the film’s thesis statement from. Mainly cause DJ does choose a side. He ends up taking money from the First Order just as those weapons manufacturers he was so quick to criticize took money from the First Order. It shows that apathy towards a fight between good and evil often ends up only benefitting evil. He’s not framed as a character the audience should like. It’s because of him that Finn and Rose are nearly executed. The First Order are still framed as the clear villains. It’s a fascist military force that abducts children, slaughters civilians, and genocides entire planets. There’s no nuance here. The Resistance aren’t just as bad cause they think it’s a good idea to fight the guys into genocide. Thus the film ends on a boy with a Rebel Symbol ring, sure to grow up to join the fight for good cause he knows those people such as Finn, Rose, and Luke Skywalker are truly the people looking out for him and not the First Order. It’s a very anti-centist movie.

[@ProductionJournal]

And I've got no problem with that! Just a different perspective is all

[@samwoodson9603]

Production Journal Yeah I don’t mean any ill will either, dude. Hope it didn’t come off that way. The most interesting films to me are ones where there’s a large variety of different readings taken from it.

[@JiveTAB]

I agree with you. I liked this video a lot, but alongside your point about not pulling the film's thesis from DJ, I also think it's wrong to pull the film's thesis from Kylo: "Let the past die" is not the point. Learning from the past and building off the past is the point. (That's why, for example, the Jedi texts didn't actually burn -- they were taken by Rey.) The idea that Kylo wanted to forge a new, better path...I think this also misses a key detail. When he makes that list of things that need to die, "Jedi, Sith, Rebels," etc., he does NOT list the First Order. He doesn't want the First Order -- HIS claim to power and authority -- to die. In this sense, he's actually being ignorant/inconsistent; he's unwilling to personally do that which he's telling Rey to do.

[@ProductionJournal]

@@samwoodson9603 of course! And after all, this is my first video essay! So I'm sure with experience I can refine really what I'm looking into. Any feedback is appreciated!

[@samwoodson9603]

Chase Tremaine I agree with that too. My take was the message was to learn from the past and improve upon it, not to just throw it all out. The Jedi were severely flawed as the prequels show, but rather than just burn it all down, we should just try to learn from that and do better.

[@retercommas]

It takes a measure of maturity to be willing to challenge your own beliefs about something, even Star Wars. I appreciate your willingness to reconsider and even have your mind changed. Excellent work.

[@echo12345ish]

"How dare he like something I hated so much!" Star Wars fandom in a nutshell

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

That's being a bit simplistic. It's more like "I have the right to criticize 'Star Wars' but you have no right to criticize my criticisms!" "The Last Jedi", by itself, isn't a bad movie. But it isn't by itself. It's part of a larger story, and that is where it fails. It fits in with the rest of the story about as well as chapter eight of 'Pride and Prejudice' would fit in with the rest of the novel had that chapter been written by Earnest Hemingway.

[@GoDucksss2106]

TLJ is my favorite Star Wars film and one of my favorite films of all time. Much of Star Wars is convoluted and yet at the same time… basic? TLJ is complex, challenging, exciting, frustrating, weird, I could go on and on. Adam Driver is amazing in this movie.

[@ignaciomoreno9655]

If you say so... Good gor you.

[@ioncewasmikey]

@@ignaciomoreno9655 nobody with this opinion is older than 25.

[@thisistheway3812]

People didn't complain when Yoda became a hermit, yet when Luke is a hermit everyone is mad like that was the point people

[@thisistheway3812]

I think the movie was too hated for some reason

[@virgogaming6488]

Yoda was first introduced to audiences as a hermit, same as Obi-Wan.

[@thisistheway3812]

@@virgogaming6488 yep

[@Uninspired.Spectator]

Rose was a big problem in the movie

[@Dutch_man20]

Two completely different context. That is such a false equivalence for so many reasons

[@ToastyBunsMcGee]

To this day, I will never understand why people hated this movie so much. I loved it

[@virgogaming6488]

In a nutshell, it doesn't fit in the same universe as the other films. It only kinda works as it's own thing.

[@Anerisian]

It’s like its predecessor a jumbled-up soft reboot which manages to be completely stagnant. Plot A is a space chase because hyperspace is not an option. It detours over a civic planet where our party is betrayed by someone they just met, but trusted. Alright. There is also a bit where walkers assault a base. Sounds familiar? Plot B is about the force-novice to meet a grand Jedi Master of legend, who turns out to be a disappointment. He’s a recluse who refuses to teach, but a voice from the past changes his mind. We see him doing very ordinary things from cooking swamp soup to milking and fishing, and by the end he does one last impressive thing. Also gives the force explanation. Sounds familiar, too? The central twist is where the evil enforcer tells the force novice something unexpected about her parents. How original. The only problem is that it has literally no consequences and changes nothing this time. It’s entirely pointless. It’s also all the frigging same structure. Then there is a bit that is an exact copy of the throne room finale, also overtly made to feel familiar, as if to wink to the audience. Even the taunting with how the rebellion is gunned down outside is there. This is done to pull the rug by killing the big bad a film too early and relies on the meta, of knowing about these films and playing with it. Takes you right out of the non-existing story. There are some more massive problems, aside of being another bland soft reboot. 1) the “find Luke” plot wasted the first film for basically nothing. The whole payoff of hours of story and a dubious storyline is for Luke to stall the First Order for whole impressive five minutes. This is purest stagnation, because the film already started with them backed in a corner. The whole timing also bugged me. 2) Everyone was beaming around just so as the plot needed. They could go to Canto Bite in under an hour or four, and back, landing, prison and all and then manage to get into the Crait base - twice, just when the gate closed. You can only push it so far. JJ Abrams effed it up before and afterwards, too. It’s a type of problem that destroyed a good part of the star wars appeal, making the universe feel barren and small, since there was also near zero setting. Canto Bite was obviously added to have a theme for Disney’s park casinos. 3) There was not only no universe, no setting, nothing interesting in this era. Our heroes didn’t have a single adventure this far. Like none. No friendship, nothing. Making it worse, appealing to China led to the obvious introduction of a dilligent, principled, chinese worker hero character with a bolted on love story. I can’t buy it. It’s all very cynical and, no offense, made for people without taste and sense. And easily duped by marketing people. You can‘t tell me Rose was added out of genuine interest for that character. 4) Killing Snoke itself was fine. This was for a moment interesting to me. But the big huge massive giant problem was becoming clear some time later: Snoke was the big bad, and both Kylo Ren and Hux were portrayed as incompetent and incapable. Rey handsomely stood her ground on the first encounter, and yes Kylo was wounded, but if that worked before, why not again? You can argue it away as much as you want, concoct elaborate reasons why it doesn’t count, but your brain noticed it - he’s a loser. A non-threat push over who is mocked in the same film by his master. Rey on the other hand is clearly superior, won everything and had no apparent difficulties at any time. There is no threat. Also, Stormtroopers are by now entirely reduced to comic slapstick cannonfodder. I held onto an interesting direction perhaps coming out of the arms/weapons manufacturing angle shown by DJ, but when I heard they make just one film and no Star Wars X I knew that’s not enough, since literally nothing was build up thus far. Massive fail, and the damage to Disney’s brand can’t be overstated.

[@lenanana8]

I really enjoyed it as well, it was my favorite of the sequel trilogy. I found it interesting to see how the leading men - Luke and Poe - are failures in what they do and what they don't do, and how their actions catastrophically impact those around them. And them realizing that, and taking action to become better, was very nice to see, because you don't see men in Western media being portrayed like that. I think that showed the strength of people in terms of their spirit. I have to admit that the film felt like a separate stand-alone because of how different it approached a lot of themes in a Star Wars context.

[@triphazard6802]

Most folks like it, just the loud minority that won't shut up.

[@jimmy282304]

Absolutely brilliant. I myself went through this process, I hated it at first, after re-watching I realizing that TLJ is amazing

[@chrishandsome4267]

Jaime Bedolla then you are lost

[@matthewtrujillo3309]

Jaime Bedolla did you actually think about the plot or.....

[@Canonico_trc]

I get you Jaime....like i hated because seeing it for the first time i was bored of Star wars Movie.

[@mongraphic5102]

@@Canonico_trc Even I don't have a quote for this. Also TLJ is a good movie. But a horrible star wars movie.

[@mongraphic5102]

Who are "we"? I still think it's shit.

[@D4C_Gaming]

“We? Who’s we? There is no we.” There ain’t no past tense here, I still do hate The Last Jedi.

[@kyleporter3567]

Just saw this and honestly this is how I felt about this movie the first time I saw it and I was so refreshed that they finally went for it and made something new just to find out fans only want what they've seen before. I thought Luke was brilliant in the film and I'm happy you finally see how great this movie is. Its my 2nd behind empire

[@bpf10]

If I have learned anything from the Sequel trilogy, its that we may never have another Star Wars movie with any kind of deeper meaning/interpretations because the fanbase can't deal with anything new. The Last Jedi will be the last one for a while Edit: I've confirmed suggestive mediums really pisses off some fans, go figure

[@UnknownUser-gd3ls]

"deeper meaning/interpretations" Yeah the Prequels and The Clone Wars already did that. The *real* Star Wars.

[@bpf10]

@@UnknownUser-gd3ls The prequels didn't, but you're entitled to your thoughts i suppose

[@bpf10]

@@hypervolt9987 Its incredibly frustrating to see people completely miss the point and dismiss something because of that

[@callumwebb4927]

@@hypervolt9987 How about just admit that Rion Johnson should have shown more respect to the franchise and fans? The milk scene made me uncomfortable because it was genuinely cringy, not because I was invested in how disgusting it was in storyline. Same goes for most other people. And besides, what is the Last Jedi supposed to be saying exactly, the Jedi, Sith, Light and Dark side is dogmatic? Yeah, great theme in which lots of people want, but then Rion just said "fuck it" within the last half an hour and took it all back.

[@callumwebb4927]

@@hypervolt9987 Suggestive Medium isn't the issue; you think there is something "deep" about this movie and that it's the fan's faults for not accepting it. As well as the movie itself, it's this constant underlying pretentiousness by TLJ supporters that puts people off. These TLJ supporter videos never say anything meaningful, its just "this was great and you're an idiot for not liking it or seeing it" I get it, I understand the concept of being part of some "proud elite" who know better than the casual moron.

[@Harrison1875]

This is gonna happen more and more in the next few years. Us TLJ fans are glad to have you join us!

[@Dgjserffft]

Absolutely

[@madkabal]

No. No it will not. It is the worst movie ever made. A few "hot takes" from a KZbinr will not change that piece of sh#$ of a movie.

[@Dgjserffft]

@@madkabal I like it

[@Dgjserffft]

@@madkabal and you literally can’t say it’s the worst movie ever there is stuff like shark boy and lava girl that is so much worse and the transformers movies and the Artemis fowl movie and the Percy Jackson movies, they are so much worse the last Jedi’s cinematography is beautiful and the effects are stunning.

[@madkabal]

@@Dgjserffft I will watch all of those on repeat for 365 days a year before I watch one second of Star Wars The Last Jedi ever.

[@nizownis]

God I love your red and black filter... The video is also good but damn. THAT FILTER

[@ProductionJournal]

Filter gang rise up ✊

[@AlmightyBruce]

People sh*t all over Ryan Johnson, but I think he made the best of the three..

[@jayworld_official]

Yes

[@woody_you_want]

The worst part is their over reaction might cost us Johnsons trilogy that was supposed to be in the future of the universe.

[@DiRtYLaWs2007]

Great video. Regardless of what people thought of The Last Jedi, I felt for better or worse, it wiped the slate clean enough for a potentially daring and interesting third chapter. But Disney (and JJ) chickened out and served up TROS, a loud desperate attempt to please everyone.

[@MischievousMischief]

Excellent retrospective review. I hope more fans will come to appreciate this movie like you did. Edit: If you rewatch the movie a 3rd time you might see the symbolism or the meaning behind Poe and Finns arc. I thought it's actually a really inspiring message for men out there.

[@inexplicable01]

Can you explain the symbolism behind Poe and Finn's arc and how that's inspiring?

[@thehahvokexperience]

What arc?

[@Muzzy6096]

I am thrilled to hear someone talk about seeing this film with a new perspective. Great video. I loved this film, not because it was meant to give us a Timothy Zahn novel on film, but because it made me actually feel the emotions of the characters: Rey’s confusion and frustration at Luke; Finn’s moral quandary over running away (being neutral) and standing for something; Poe’s cavalier attitude to fighting verses leading. And under all this is the force, binding this universe, waiting for the characters to choose their paths. A brave, challenging film, which I hope we can grow to love like the prequels.

[@bluepearl_22]

In my opinion this movie is better than The Empire Strikes Bback. Although that opinion can still get you killed on the internet these days, I'm sure some time down the road the majority of the new fans will agree.

[@alexism9656]

@@bluepearl_22 I still like Episode 5 better, but mostly because The Last Jedi had some problems that I can't ignore.

[@bluepearl_22]

@@alexism9656 That's cool. No one said you couldn't like episode 5 more. Just like people aren't wrong for liking TLJ. I rewatched all 9 films recently and I noticed that Empire does have a lot of the "flaws" people seem to see with TLJ.

[@hikhill7092]

blue_pearl_22 I really liked it the first time watching it but after watching it three more times I can’t get past the flaws. the purple haired lady’s arc is stupid because if she had told anyone her actually genius plan, the tension of the whole movie goes away. The scenes with Rey and Kylo ren are pretty good and Luke’s scenes are good. They then kill off the main villain which creates a huge flaw in the next movie because there is no main villain due to kylo ren being conflicted between the light and dark and it’s basically guaranteed that he would go to the light side. The throne room scene is also terribly choreographed and the more you watch it, the worse it gets. The guards do these stupid spins and it seems like they are never fully trying to kill Rey or kylo ren

[@nocrtname]

I get what they were trying to do with Poe’s arc, and the purple lady, but it falls flat because Poe is right to sacrifice the bombers to take out the dreadnaught. If he hadn’t, it would have destroyed the entire resistance. So the lesson falls flat.

[@markdobson7650]

I loved TLJ from the first moment. So glad you joined us in the end ;)

[@IacopoCutino00]

I loved too, rewatched it recently. It's brilliant. Rian Johnson did a great star wars.

[@Gabethemosthated]

@@IacopoCutino00 rian Johnson did good with Star Wars 💀 HAHAHA do you really wanna go there because we can

[@randikenobi1069]

I just finished watching TLJ again. I remember feeling like I wasnt allowed to like it because so much hate was happening. It was the best movie in the trilogy.

[@pt2k645]

It’s the best movie of the saga.

[@Dutch_man20]

@@pt2k645 I’m sorry, but that is simply just not the case

[@davidho1427]

@@pt2k645 not of the full 9-film saga, but I would definitely say it's the best out of the sequels

[@SDfan2002]

@@pt2k645 Yes

[@Camo_Live]

Oh, that’s why it’s the most universally despised Star Wars movie ever... because it’s so good... got it... Jake literally died from using the force. Ruin Johnson understands literally nothing about Star Wars canon.

[@sadhydra]

I've loved this movie since it came out, I'm glad you've come around. But, I'm not totally sure that I agree with your take though. I don't think it's about neutrality, for example, I think Finn's arch is about him learn to be a rebel, and the value of resistance, growing beyond just hating the first order. But I love that you have a different take, there is a lot that you can take away from this film.

[@crepperwlp]

It's not just about neutrality. It's about the neutrality of the force. It still portray the rebels as the "good side" it just states that the force is not on any side.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Like disappointment and being stingy with money. Thats what TLJ told me to do Im glad it worked with Iger stepping in Trevorrow throwing them all under the bus the jabs at TLJ said films fans and shippers being angry and disappointed lol which the hypocrisy is delicious

[@skyeplus]

I never hated it. It left me with the feeling of misunderstanding and confusion of how I feel. I loved it from third re-watch.

[@moviedean123]

I’ve always loved TLJ, it’s great

[@ChrisLamia]

Fancy meeting you here. (It's Skylightt)

[@thesharpercoder]

George Lucas has often spoke about “The Hero’s Journey” by Joseph Campbell. “A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man.” Each of the major characters goes through their own moral journey, and comes out of it the person the were meant to be. The most obvious journey was Finn, who went from looking for ways to run from the First Order to wanting to take on the entire First Order alone. Poe went from being a hotshot pilot with a cocky attitude to a team leader. Rey went from being a frightened young woman to someone who was more accepting of her role in the universe. Luke went from being a hermit to accepting his final destiny of becoming The Legend that people believed him to be. He took on the entire First Order with a laser sword, and WON.

[@o...o4144]

EXACTLY

[@QA-ut7dd]

Finn goes through the same arc in TFA; rehash in TLJ doesn't make it any more interesting. Poe is suddenly made cocky and arrogant after displaying none of those traits in TFA simply so he can be knocked down pegs. He was shown to be knowledgeable, competent, and a capable leader in TFA within the structure the Resistance used. Rey went from an inexplicably powerful woman who had her place in the world to an inexplicably powerful woman who found simply a different place in the world. Sure, Luke has an arc, but we are missing what got him to the beginning of that arc from where we left him two films ago. That's a huge narrative issue, and the only way to explain it is by writing a lot of extra story for Rian. That doesn't make Rian's story good.

[@sacredbeastzenon]

@@QA-ut7dd Preach!

[@Vermonstered]

The most hilarious thing about views like this is they fail to consider the outcome for all this growing toward "the person the were meant to be." Loss of the entire fleet, death of 95%+ of the Rebellion. Luke is dead and didn't do jack squat with the lightsaber (laser sword, just like he said it would do on the island)... For all the lessons Poe, Luke, Rey and whoever else learned it resulted in them failing miserably, killing hundreds, nearly ends them all except for Rey's intervention in saving them from their becoming the failures they're trying to become. That's lesson learned by these TLJ fans? The idea of somehow you win and grow by leading yourself toward your own demise faster and more decisively? Great lesson.

[@jeromemmac]

Lots of respect for you and this video man. Last Jedi has been one of my favourites since it came out and its so good to see people starting to accept its messages! Hope lots of people see this.

[@seropia]

I continue to think that rewatching the series, and then the last jedi really does make it clearer. The jedis of the prequels were their own downfall, and so Luke has to realize he can't just try to remake the jedi. When he does, he fails. Also I just liked Luke in Yoda's role for the new gen, a hermit who has lots to teach but isn't always clear. But it took me a long time to come to terms with the failures in Poe, Finn and Rose as a part of the story. They all have to learn hard things.

[@raymiller1383]

That is a take on that movie that I like, it’s what I felt when I was watching it in the theatre, and I just stopped talking to people about it after a while because of peoples gut reaction to how the movie did not meet their perceived expectations. Thank you,

[@selina3974]

TLJ will stand the test of time for its brilliance, mark my words.

[@UnknownUser-gd3ls]

Nope. Ain't happening. Especially since this will be the only Luke Skywalker that we will see on the big screen.

[@Luey_Luey]

canto bight begs to differ a lot of people are coming out to praise the movie for its themes and stuff but the canto bight and space chase subplots are objectively terrible

[@storiesamore9485]

I agree man

[@stupidusername3333]

I yelled "yeah!" so many times during this video. This theme of balance was why I was so excited about the trilogy after this movie came out.I'll forever be disappointed that it wasn't followed through in Ride.

[@jgodfrey7283]

Thanks for this. It’s what I’ve been trying to say in defense of This movie, you explained it perfectly. I’d also add that as a woman, I saw another additional thing in Rey’s arc. She had to realize that we can’t always count on father figures or romantic interests to fix things. Sometimes a girl has to realize it’s our job to fix a problem. I think the scene where she realizes this is when she has to save them by lifting the rocks. She says, “lifting rocks” but she means “oh I see it’s me who has to solve this”

[@coxfire]

Excellent analysis, but as you say so well, unfortunately the side plots of the movie are what muddled it down in the end. If you made a cut of only Luke/Rey/Kylo, it is a far better movie. I personnally didn't like TFA because it was basically New Hope revamped with Empire/Resistance yet again, and found myself liking TLJ themes better while still hating parts of it (like the treatment of Finn, stuck in a boring side quest). I liked the force bonds, i liked Luke relationship To the force, I like being rid of cliché bad guy Snoke and i liked Rey being nobody. And then TROS shat on all of it and squandered everything TLJ tried to make evolve To revert To a RPG plot with once again Good vs Bad. Eurgh. But yeah: great video

[@coxfire]

@@VickyToria136 it is really true, and i think TROS furthers what you are saying here because JJ reverted to Finn being mainly all about Rey (despite his story with Jannah). The fact also that he could have brought nuance to how people viewed regular stormroopers was squandered too.

[@immortalfrieza]

@@VickyToria136 Finn at least has a purpose throughout TFA, even if ultimately they could have done everything without him. Rise of Skywalker though? They didn't even PRETEND to give that guy something to do. Even going with the rebellious stormtroopers to ride some horses doesn't do a thing to contribute to the actual battle, it's Lando, Poe, and Rey's efforts that actually bring them to victory. And let's not kid ourselves, Finn was crushing hard on Rey and was going to say "I love you" when they were sinking into the quicksand, regardless of what JJ and DIsney claimed.

[@atomictire576]

It is the side plots and the whole plot of the sequels as a whole that ruins it

[@zenceteri2043]

While I agree that a lot Finn's potential was basically squandered from the beginning, TLJ also couldn't be bothered to really expand on his character. And I can't agree that he had absolutely no purpose or development in TFA. His arc was basically to go from someone who only thinks about himself to someone who actually cares about other people i.e. Rey and to a lesser extent Poe. That's the kind of arc that has filled whole movies before, although I wouldn't argue that it couldn't have been executed better. However, that development then became pointless when he spent the whole next movie with NEITHER of the characters he had developed a relationship with and instead was shipped off with a completely different character to have a forced romance with (if you even wanna call it that). And sure, "caring about someone else" might not be enough of a concept or purpose for a space epic like Star Wars (although caring about someone is basically the theme the whole franchise is built upon but oh well) but there were still two more movies where Finn could've developed away from Rey and become more important to the central plot once he had been taken into the folds of the Resistance, but instead the opposite happened. And not only did the subsequent films not give him more of a purpose, they also took away the one thing he had. And him caring so much about Rey starts to make much more sense when you realize that he was actually supposed to be Rey's love interest. That this had been the original plan has just recently been confirmed by the guy who wrote the TFA novelization (but was also already pretty obvious to everyone with eyes tbh). And the reason that romance then never went anywhere after TFA was either simply racism, because we can't have a black man and a white woman be the central romance of a Star Wars movie, or because it just didn't fit with Rian Johnson's little Reylo fantasy. Or both. So while, yeah, Finn's story arc in TFA was kind of thin but had potential to be expanded upon, he was then suddenly left with nothing in TLJ. And instead of at least coming up with something new for Finn to do, Rian Johnson just made him basically retread his arc from TFA. And I can already hear people typing to argue that in TFA he only learned to care about Rey and in TLJ he learned to care about the Resistance as a whole…(and that slavery is bad or whatever because that was apparently something he - basically a former slave of the First Order himself - had to learn.) And yeah, sure, whatever, but that didn't HAVE to be what his story in TLJ had to be about. He could've also woken up from his coma, realized that the Resistance cared enough about him to save him so maybe sticking around wouldn't be so bad, maybe he could've struggled a little with finding his place in the Resistance and then he basically could've done ANYTHING. The sky's the limit. You have a former Stormtrooper who defected and joined the other side, it shouldn't be hard to come up with a compelling story for a character like that. Instead Rian Johnson just couldn't be bothered to come up with anything interesting. His joke about him considering just leaving Finn in the coma for the whole movie is pretty telling of how much he cares about the character. Finn didn't fit into the Reylo show so he had to be sent on a pointless side quest because Rian couldn't just write him out completely. And then he couldn't even go on that side quest with the only other character he had some kind of relationship with because, by his own admission, Rian Johnson wasn't capable of writing them in a way where their dialog wouldn't be interchangable. Even though Finn and Poe are very different characters from each other so really, it shouldn't be that difficult. Or maybe he thought it wouldn't make sense that hot shot pilot manly man Poe Dameron would care about abused space horses or whatever, so he needed to get a woman in there. And don't get me wrong, I like Rose as a character, I just don't understand why Finn had to be paired with a different woman in every movie only for none of that to go anywhere. So yeah TLJ might be an okay movie on it's own with a cute theme but ultimately it just didn't care about what came before it (or what would come after it) and instead of writing to serve the established characters it just tried to somehow fit the characters in the narrative it wanted to tell, even if it meant basically completely excluding certain characters from the central narrative. (Sorry for replying half a year later but i'd never actually seen anyone argue that TLJ treated Finn better than TFA, something i think John Boyega would also disagree with, so i needed to get this off my chest)

[@bullrun2772]

Disagree about something

[@AmoralPhat40oz]

When I left Episode 8 satisfied I said to my friend "Finally a Star Wars movie that everyone can love". How wrong I was...

[@MrBrownstainbear]

Everyone loved the originals though so you missed the mark

[@AmoralPhat40oz]

@@MrBrownstainbear Not Return of The Jedi.

[@MrBrownstainbear]

@@AmoralPhat40oz A lot more than episode 8....

[@darkninja2772]

Lol

[@alexheisenberg8709]

This video showed me that redemption is posible. First impression is not always good. Specially when you go to see a Star Wars film where you know what to expect. It's obvious that nobody is gonna like that at first. Except me jeje. But I understand why most people didn't. They needed time. They needed to think. Wich is something a star wars film doesn't cause in an audience very often. Something similar happened with the prequels. Time passed, and now everyone finally sees their beauty apart from their flaws. I'm sure time will be kind with the sequels too

[@wannabemexican]

The more I think about it, the more I realise I think I love this film.

[@dr.butafer3850]

I always liked this one

[@rajatpr]

You are mad

[@hoosier3060]

Well you don’t think very much then... or you like Michael bay films

[@dr.butafer3850]

@@hoosier3060 you sound like you sit by yourself at the lunch table

[@hoosier3060]

@@dr.butafer3850 nah. All my friends rag on that trash ass “movie”. But solitude is not a bad thing, especially in a society of morons... much like yourself.

[@ToastyBunsMcGee]

Nah, we’ve been here. I thought Force Awakens was disappointing. I think TLJ might be the best Star Wars. Rise of Skywalker... let’s not talk about that one.

[@leecroft1983]

Always liked the movie, never understood the hate towards it personally.

[@jontheepic7601]

How

[@christineblin1976]

Me too. I loved and understod the refreshing and smart thematics that are discussed in this video, and loved the movie for it. TFA was way too redundant, and with the VIII it was great to see a little bit of an interesting message in a big blockbuster for once. I did understand the hate though, because there are wthin this movie some moments of terribly bad taste (Leia in space isn't well done, and just some other stupid jokes).

[@mgoblue9389]

As someone who hated it until literally 3 days ago (lol) I can tell you it mostly revolves around our disappointment about, and unwillingness to accept, the fact that Luke never fully rebuilt the Jedi Order and that he gave up. Most of us have imagined what Luke and Co were doing after ROTJ since we were kids, and there was this collective understanding that Luke rebuilt the Jedi Order. So when that didn't happen and he bailed on everyone and became a teet sucking hobo, we were shocked. I've finally accepted that Star Wars history is what it is, and I might as well just enjoy it. Previously I had only seen TLJ twice, but I was so busy feeling sorry for myself, I couldn't see the great parts of the film, which I see now

[@Notmuhrealname]

Same

[@tbewin1z143]

It's not the worst movie ever, but it's one of the dumbest scripts ever!!!

[@petersaturday]

I wish this was the case for me, each viewing I had of it, it sadly gets WORSE! The execution was terrible and so were the main plot ideas they came up with imo. That being said I also think The Rise Of Skywalker is even WORSE than The Last Jedi!

[@O1OO1O1]

yeah, it's pretty bad. After watching that, then going back and watching all the old stuff, the old stuff makes the new stuff look like a high budget, bad fan-fiction. For a good, low budget fan-fiction, see Vader: Episode 1 by Star Wars Theory.

[@SDfan2002]

The only one that actively gets worse every time I watch it is Revenge of the Sith.

[@jacksonpavlich8198]

@@SDfan2002 facts

[@SDfan2002]

@@jacksonpavlich8198 Thank you!!

[@ToomanyFrancis]

How can you watch this video and still not understand that The Last Jedi is an amazing Star Wars film. He laid everything out for you to pick up, and you still don't get it.

[@nicholasdachelet8900]

Thank you for understanding something that many people overlooked out of close minded-ness the first time. This is indeed one of the best Star Wars movies ever made and I believe many people will realize that as time goes on.

[@xfive494]

This movie is like comparing Nietzsche to newborn saying "da da". After enough time spent you can come to conclusion that the answer to life is 42 or Tommy Wiseau acting performance in the Room is brilliant .But be advised this is possible to be taken into consideration only under degenerated culture with no taste. In any other viewing it looks just weird an silly not deep.

[@hopebringer2348]

The Last Jedi is not about not picking sides

[@gs7828]

It's not "just the Force". Star Wars culture is intrinsically stoic: following the Force or using it is the difference between Jedi and Sith (don't count the Jedi becoming corrupt etc, I'm talking about the two philosophies).

[@ProductionJournal]

That's...exactly what I meant

[@asozialesnetzwerk]

* Some new star wars content comes out * * Fans instantly reject it * Some time later: Fans: "Oh my goodness, this was actually great. How come people didn't see it that way when it came out?" Always.

[@rodrigof.r.desouza3587]

This is exactly what happened with the Prequels.

[@Jordan-Ramses]

This is some utter nonsense. The fans never hated any of the original trilogy. Because they weren't trash like Disney Star Wars. I'm never thinking this Disney trash is any good.

[@Jordan-Ramses]

@RedKingPresents - You're making a straw man argument. I never said they were flawless. Nobody walked out of Star Wars in 1977 and said 'that sucked'. Go watch the 'That 70's Show' Star Wars episode that was exactly our reaction. Oh here's a clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGHNeaWsnK13o8k

[@asozialesnetzwerk]

@@Jordan-Ramses So the original trilogy seemingly only consists of star wars '77? Maybe you should watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b36ycmmXfd1oo8k

[@kyberghost3607]

Except this wasn’t.

[@reeceanweiler787]

Lol "we all absolutely despised TLJ, am I right?" I and most of my friends loved TLJ from day 1 and my appreciation for it has only grown. I've always been a bit ambivalent towards Poe's story and downright dislike Finn and Rose's story, but Luke, Rey, and Kylo's story is absolute perfection. I'm glad you've come over to our side.

[@pr0feta660]

Me too hahaah

[@pr0feta660]

Agreed, loved and worshiped TLJ since day one.

[@maxrockatansky2976]

Sure if you appreciate bad movies.

[@o...o4144]

@@maxrockatansky2976 ok boomer haaha

[@anteprs7908]

Perfect hahahaha tlj fans are ppl who dont understand the Lore

[@cato.filmes]

After 40 years of the original ones, TLJ was the only movie who actually tried to bring something new. Yes, there are subplots that don't add like Finn's arc, but there are things like the general idea of Luke - a untrained jedi understanding the hipocrysis of the jedi in the past, just like ahsoka - being really tired with all of this, and Kylo killing Snowke to BECOME THE MAJOR VILLAIN (no, we don't need another Anakin/Palpatine relation all over again), and MAINLY: the concept that FORCE IS NOT HEREDITARY!!! I hope Rian still get that new trilogy

[@espo221b]

The point of the movie is Luke was wrong about the jedi. Rey takes the ancient jedi texts and will continue learning the same way every other jedi did. Kylo Ren is the worst, most inconsistent character in star wars. The force not being hereditary has always been a thing. Making Rey unconnected to the larger story just makes the larger story less interesting. Hopefully, Rian Johnson never comes near star wars again.

[@flaauws]

Not sure why this is only just popped up in my feed, fair play to you for admitting you were wrong: I think most people are too stubborn to do the same. I loved it from the first time I saw it: I got the themes and the messages we were supposed to get and I was really surprised so many people didn't. It's by far the best film of the sequel trilogy and I think it's the second best star wars film after Empire.

[@darthbane5676]

When this movie came out, I loved it. It actually took me a while to understand why people hated it so much, and it’s still one of my favorite Star Wars movies.

[@VodkaLikesMSeven]

Eww

[@ryanbarth6691]

@@VodkaLikesMSeven those haters need to rewatch and pay attention

[@VodkaLikesMSeven]

@@ryanbarth6691 the movie was plain boring, i gave it a second try with me and my girlfriend and it was STILL boring. It was literally just a remake of the empire strikes back.

[@ryanbarth6691]

@@VodkaLikesMSeven that's ok

[@jetthejudge]

@@VodkaLikesMSeven how is it a remake of Empire at all?

[@MikhaelRo]

Well done. You have surely mastered the YT Machine and the ability to grow as a human. May the YT Algorithm be with you, always. Thanks for sharing.

[@zawarudoz]

As a non-fan I can tell you The Last Jedi is the only film in the series where I had the slightest interest in what was happening. Every other film in the series feels like it's just going through the motions of "defeat the bad guy" but TLJ felt like it had some deeper themes it was trying to explore. Does it succeed in everything it tries to do? Not at all, but I'd rather a film try new things and fall flat on some of them than rehash the same thing for the eighth time.

[@scotchwhisky6094]

Very true this is why I put The Last Jedi in my top 3 below Empire strikes back and new hope and above return of the jedi because I hate ewoks

[@taylorx10]

Doesn’t matter what they were trying to do the plot holes in this film were stupid as fuck but could have easily been fixed if the writing was any good

[@tierk4328]

@@taylorx10 How can Star Wars fans say this when they have only two good films (EPISODE 4 AND EPISODE 5). The rest of Stars Wars prior to the sequels were trash.

[@matthewtrujillo3309]

the thing is the film's plot is so illogical/messy that it outweighs the importance of those very themes that it falls flat on anyway. So, not only did you not make a good film, but you also completely upended an established story in part 8 of 9. Whether you care about that or not, thats not good storytelling. I think thats why TLJ is bad, poor execution of the story, but people look past that to only see those new ideas/themes.

[@scotchwhisky6094]

@@matthewtrujillo3309 The thing is I think you should get a life and instead of bashing films you don't like. You're just repeating the same old argument, being a useless armchair expert. I would like to see you direct a better film. Find something better to do and get a job.

[@TosoToco]

Interesting perspective, all movies are pretty decent change my mind.

[@A_J0995]

The Predator most definitely isn't a decent movie. In fact, it's awful.

[@Notmuhrealname]

Cuties on Netflix is an atrocity

[@TosoToco]

@@Notmuhrealname be honest you know what I meant.

[@smurfette_blues7922]

This is a good take

[@lexecomplexe4083]

Ah, yes. The First Order's true purpose: STONKS

[@mreszotnik]

It's interesting more and more people come around liking this movie. This reminds me of The way Empire Strikes Back was received initially. Apart from Internet power of Word spreading, The reception was identical with The same level of criticism of stuff we now take for granted. (Luke was ruined by being beaten, how come Leia goes for Han, I am your father). Glad people are starting to see beyond The surface level.

[@bluepearl_22]

The difference is that most of those people will never fully acknowledge how good this movie actually is cause they fear it means they will lose face in front of themselves.

[@mreszotnik]

@@bluepearl_22 Well, as we could see from the example of this video's author never say never. I also think that people need to divorce themselves from their expectations and biases before that happens.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

That's a lie Rian Johnson made up.

[@bluepearl_22]

@@GoblinKnightLeo quit making a fool out of yourself, mate.

[@re2gie]

@@bluepearl_22 it is though they released the ESB in theaters twice because it did so well

[@pandamera1]

I loved this film since day one. If you don’t like it, I understand and support it 100%, so long as it doesn’t have any dumbass reason like “Luke was mean and he drank green milk!” While not perfect, I always found The Last Jedi to be the most wondrous and grand Star Wars film I’ve seen. It also took a lot of chances with its characters and put them in situations we felt uncomfortable in. I love the fact that Rian Johnson had the balls to challenge our perception of Star Wars and its characters as a whole. The film also brought back the mystical aspect of the Force that George Lucas had abandoned over the years. It was no longer just a superpower. It is now a neutral energy that binds the universe together, once again. It brought back the wonder and mystery Star Wars had lacked for decades. Fans can say what the want about it, but the one thing The Last Jedi kept sacred about Star Wars is Luke Skywalker and what he leaves behind.

[@jmace2424]

Can you imagine what people would have said if Luke showed up with a “Hello There” and was basically New Hope Obi-Wan?? I would bet so much that it would be “Oh this is terrible! Do something original!” Luke’s snarky humor had me rolling the whole time and that definitely never happened before.

[@kyleghilani6386]

You can never have too many “hello there”s

[@CaptainRG2]

An insightful video. While I do acknowledge some issues with Last Jedi, I liked it from the first time I saw it. The epiphany you described was the very theme I absorbed upon the first viewing - failure is the greatest teacher. I often criticize the new trilogy in general, but Johnson had nothing to do with that. His film felt incongruent with 7 and 9, but it was the only one that tried to tell a story in a way that hadn't been told before. I also really enjoyed your use of the score in the video - many KZbinrs fail to utilize music properly, and they miss a crucial tool at their disposal. Well made.

[@Dino-Savage]

Star Wars is literally the most divisive franchise of all time.

[@killert_7759]

Nobody hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars fans do

[@ItheauthorityI]

I love the film and I'm glad you came to appreciate it more. I took away something different from my viewings, however. DJ and Rose are Finn's main influences throughout the film but DJ is his bad influence. DJ challenges Finn's belief in the Resistance but he chooses to stand by them despite their failings. Finn deliberately calls him wrong and chooses his side with the Resistance because he learns to be a part of a cause bigger than simply himself and his new friend (Rey). Luke living as a hermit in the beginning of the film is inherently wrong and the setup for his arc, but the outcome of his arc and what he learns is that the Jedi ARE valuable, failures and all. "I will not be the last Jedi." The film isn't so much about the ambiguity of good and evil as it is about accepting your failings and learning from them rather than allowing them to control you. Luke and Kylo represent this clearly. Where Luke learns, Kylo does not. Kylo's desire to kill the past is the antithesis of the lessons the film is trying to convey and this is why he gives in to Luke's distraction and fails to finish the Resistance. Luke's sacrifice brings hope to the galaxy and ignites their desire to choose the side of good as seen with the children inspired by his actions in the final scene.

[@ForestRaptor]

Yup

[@jacksonperez5615]

I feel like the only one who can’t stand the force awakens

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

You're not. I've hated that movie day 1. It was a terrible setup for sequel trilogy. The movie literally undid episode 1 to 6 and wanted to redo everything from the OT with it's lame ass mystery questions it set up

[@Starwarsdude8221991]

I grew to hate it

[@Slider712]

Nope. I liked it at first, didn't love it. As a whole though when combined with the other shit sequels, it's garbage.

[@aguspuig6615]

It was mediocre wich os npt good enlugh gor star wars but its sadly rhe best of the new trilogy

[@Tom-B292-S3]

It's merely a meh for me. On re-watches it gets worse and worse. I feel like the only reason why the movie resonated with a lot of people is because of how JJ constructed the story around a soft-reboot of A New Hope. Using the bones of that story got him a decent starting point. Then they had Lawrence Kasdan help write the script. Finn being an ex-trooper was Kasdan's idea (probably anything original came from him). I also think Kasdan's knowledge and experience of writing past Star Wars films really helped make it feel like we were hanging out with an old friend again. Except it wasn't, it was more like Loki disguising himself as a Star Wars movie for Disney. If you scratch below the surface of this movie, there is only one layer and it's a potato. TFA imitates well, but misses some important beats and doesn't have the heart and soul of the original - And that is why it fails for me. Except Adam Driver as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. That man is the best part of the entire sequel trilogy.

[@ghostblade5954]

All these reasons you listed? These are why I enjoyed it the first go around, I'm just glad someone else enjoys this movie

[@rogue9230]

The people who called Kylo Ren vs force projection Luke useless and a waste of time didn't get it that scene was perfection a true Jedi moment for luke and that's coming from someone who doesn't even like the sequel trilogy

[@dacookiemonsta963]

@@rogue9230 smh 🤦‍♂️

[@rogue9230]

@@dacookiemonsta963 same to you my not so good sir

[@The_Schizoid_Man]

Rise of Skywalker is not cannon to me. That whole movie was just spitting in the face of TLJ.

[@SteveGeary52]

I understood all of this the very first time I saw The Last Jedi, and it was because I didn't go in with preconceived notions and fan theories, all ready to rage if things didn't go how I wanted them to. I went in and I LET THE STORYTELLERS TELL ME A STORY. The Last Jedi stands as my second favorite Star Wars film, right behind The Empire Strikes Back, and it's been in that spot since the first time I saw it.

[@charl99ie]

But actually the same happened to me too! I remember watching the Last Jedi in the cinema and being kind of bored. I didn't hate the movie, but it was definitely one of my least favorite Star Wars movies and I honestly had no interest in seeing it again. When the trailer for the rise of skywalker came out, my friends and I decided to do a Star Wars marathon and even though we were all quite reluctant to watch The Last Jedi, every single one of us changed their mind at the end. The movie wasn't even half as bad as I remembered and I actually really enjoyed it. I really think that this movie is one of those movies that was a victim of expectations and hype. This movie seems to just get better as more time passes

[@richardwelschiii9631]

Hey man, great essay! As a TLJ advocate, I'd love to challenge you to go even one step further. The Key Master Hacker guy is actually kind of brilliant. With what much of Johnson does, he shows us something played out to its extreme. We understand from the Luke/Rey/Kylo story arch that the force is neutral in many ways, seeking balance in itself. Benicio del Toros character embodies that. He doesnt choose sides. He understands how the system works. But what that ultimately leads to is him turning in the good guys for money and safety. So we see from him that not choosing is often as detrimental to the state of the galaxy as doing evil. For all he knew, he was helping end the rebellion or resistance or whatever they're calling it now. In the end, we have to first recognize that the two sides are often two sides of the same coin, and then we have to follow our gut/conscience/or morals or wtvr u wanna call it anyway. Because in the end, choosing to do something, like Luke finally did, is how people we love are saved.

[@secretworldcomics]

"We"? No no. I've been in love since day one. And it is my favorite movie of all time. So wish we had gotten a better follow up

[@madkabal]

You just like bad movies

[@Dutch_man20]

@@madkabal there is nothing wrong with liking bad movies. As much as I hate the Last Jedi, there’s nothing wrong with people liking it. But what’s infuriating is when people try to defend it as being unironically good

[@madkabal]

@@Dutch_man20 I completely agree. And I do like some bad movies I enjoy them and I will never tell anyone they are works of art. nothing makes me roll my eyes more then when someone tries to browbeat someone about a garbage tier movie that is on the same level as Attack of The Killer Tomatoes.

[@Dutch_man20]

@@madkabal I agree with that too. At least I find attack of the killer tomatoes more entertaining than this movie. Lol

[@khango6138]

"Failure, yes failure most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is."

[@StatusQuonald]

I hated it too after first watch, but then I saw ROS and I watched it again with some friends. I came to the conclusion it's the only movie of the sequels worth watching. Complete 180

[@TARDIStraveller96]

I loved The Last Jedi when i left the cinema seeing it for the first time, and still think it's one of the best films in the franchise by far. I'm glad you came around

[@taylorx10]

The reason I hated the film was the stupid fucking plot holes, the fact they made the first order look like jokes and left nothing to look forward too in the 3rd film.

[@FandomGirl42]

The Last Jedi: the only film that understands what balance actually means.

[@madkabal]

Blue milk. Bad dreams mean Homicide, subtle white liberal racism. The Hyperspace scene that breaks the entire universe, FREE FALL BOMBS IN SPACE, using the force to get out of a hole they wrote themselves in. Rebels completely destroyed. No one cares. Luke is a pathetic little bitch.

[@madkabal]

@@Mega-rv2oo This is everything that happened in the film in front and behind the camera, white liberal. Your arguments are becoming so pathetic you are denying reality.

[@madkabal]

@@Mega-rv2oo Now you are "just quoting" I have no patience for liars. Fuck off.

[@madkabal]

@flower head Pardon me for not seeing a piece of trash of a film 5,000 times to show of my "big brain" which Im sure you have done He was still NOT saying it to me ironically, and he was making pretend that he was. Just like you. This makes you both full of shit. AKA Liars

[@gabeoreilly9779]

@@madkabal tlj is a top 3 Star Wars movie and you looking for arguments with people who like it in KZbin comments won’t change that. Stay mad

[@Vortex-ln8gj]

Luke's downfall is interesting to examine from the point of view of Poe's arc. The whole point of that arc was that saving what we love is more important than destroying what we hate. As Luke went to Ben's room in the Jedi temple, he wanted to destroy the darkness that his nephew could bring, instead of saving him and protecting him from a path of evil. And we all know that massively backfired.

[@ProductionJournal]

Exactly right! And the fact that it was instinctual for him to do that was a wake up call for him that the the whole notion of good and bad just led to destruction and violence.

[@qmulus1]

It's intersting how people are coming up with so many interpretations of this movie after the fact to justify their love for it. It's like they're looking at a Jackson Pollock painting and seeing what they want to see.

[@Vermonstered]

So... you flip Luke's entire character core to what makes him Luke on it's head because Luke sees a bit of conflict inside of Kylo. Probably a bit lighter than what he saw in Vader yet not only gives up on Kylo but tries to murder him in cold blood while he sleeps all because of less than 60 seconds of perceived feeling from him? Makes sense that he would try and murder Kylo but save and sacrifice everything for a darker Vader right? Even after he is successful and does save Vader's humanity... Makes sense to try and shoehorn Rose's final message of saving the ones we love is the way forward even though their beloved friends are blown up in the background of the same shot. Conflicting messages abound.

[@ProductionJournal]

@@Vermonstered read my reply ^

[@Vermonstered]

@@ProductionJournal ... So a single conflicted dream of the possibility of the future is enough to snap Luke into a back stabbing murderer of those he cares about? Or that he's now bad hence must run away and give up on everything and everyone he cares about to go rot and die a grumpy old man who yells at people who are own his lawn (or island)... There's a BIG difference becoming an advocate for good w/o violence and running away and giving up on everything hoping to die. Again, showing that this flip to you isn't all that important and being told he's a crabby, grumpy old man who's done with life is good enough for you as a starting point even if it's a direct negative to the Luke you've known for the entire OT. Great idea to turn him away from the Force but terrible execution as the entire Canto Bight sequence could of been deleted and focused on the numerous event(s) required to flip the most established character in the series.

[@Neon_Chameleon]

I can't disagree with you more - despite being someone who loved TFA from the beginning. You're quoting the villains (DJ on not taking sides and Kylo Ren on letting the past die) when the message of The Last Jedi, like so many films, is the literal opposite of what the villains want. The villains in a well written film are meant to be seductive in their philosophy - to do less is to set up a straw man. But DJ's "not taking sides" involves his selling out The Resistance to the First Order when it becomes expedient. Luke's not taking sides involves him living like a self-loathing and slightly repellant hermit (and in withdrawing into being a hermit he's following in the footsteps of the only two other Jedi he has ever known - Obi Wan and Yoda, and he's also a farmer like his aunt and uncle, living in the middle of nowhere and drinking green rather than blue milk). The film presents "Don't take sides" as a seductive position before turning round and saying "No, you should take sides - that's the best case and here's what it actually does" in the final third. A much more Star-Wars-y approach. It's not a coincidence that The Last Jedi is closely modelled on Empire Strikes Back - and Empire was extremely controversial when it came out.

[@reepicheepsfriend]

Thanks for that. Overall, I enjoyed The Last Jedi. This guy went from one bad take to another. But, hey, at least he's progressed. Maybe at some point he'll learn what RJ was actually trying to say through this film.

[@CaptainRG2]

But he quoted Yoda as the main theme of the movie...

[@lugyd1xdone195]

@@reepicheepsfriend you know, its interesting seeing a work of fiction that always gives you a fresh new perspective and experience every time you see it. Especially if its a movie in a milti billion franchise.

[@Vermonstered]

@@lugyd1xdone195 That just shows a ridiculous lack of attention by you and necessity to write in things that simply aren't there but you infer might be there.

[@vincenzoberetta1085]

@@reepicheepsfriend Yup. Additionally, he will be able to write to RJ and explain it to him too.

[@karekarenohay4432]

"We were wrong about The Last Jedi... We were wrong about the Last Jedi... We were wrong about the Last Jedi..." "...I was wrong about The Last Jedi..." "Move along" "...Move along..."

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

No

[@domymbd]

The Last Jedi is concidered to be the best Star Wars since Episode V (also the only good of the sequel trilogy IMO) and you just confirmed it even more. Its a brillant piece of work and probably the last great thing we'll ever get from Star Wars.

[@godlyoblivion]

IMO the Mandalorian already outshines every sequel film

[@chadlewis5379]

I don't 100% agree with your interpretation of the film, but I do have some serious respect for you. Not a lot of people would be willing to make a whole video where they are basically like, "I was wrong." And while the topic was something as ultimately unimportant as a movie, the way you handled this was inspiring and made me realize that I need to be more willing to admit when I am wrong.

[@ProductionJournal]

Thank you! And funny you should say that considering the whole "I was wrong" theme encompasses Luke throughout the movie. Everything he thought the Jedi were, everything he came to believe, then ultimately everything he decided to rebirth at the end!

[@Averagejoe-wl9ym]

It’s says a lot about the cinematography about TLJ that it looks just as good, if not better in B&W than in color. Great review dude! Glad you realized this film has so much more to appreciate if one pays attention and realizes SW is more than action.

[@thegoodprince3264]

The lighting and framing of the movie is immaculate. I freaking love Rian Johnson.