We were wrong about the Veteran Sherman S

[@CaptainCandycorn]

My take is that I don't care about voltage, I want a solidly built wheel that works well and is reliable. I had pre orders in for both the Sherman S and v13 and ended up cancelling the v13. The Sherman S has the ideal suspension design very solid build, and comfortable seated riding. It might not be a 60mph speed demon, or trail jumping monster, but it's an extremely good all around wheel that will handle anything and has a hell of a lot of range. Plus I only paid 3300usd for it, so that helps! 😉

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much for your thoughts on this one :) and why you cancelled the v13 specifically?!

[@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777]

How did you get it that cheap??

[@tommypriest6342]

Marcus: Inmotion introduced the V13 as a "Cadillac." How about telling your contacts at Leaperkim and, especially, Inmotion, that what many of us REALLY WANT is a "Corvette" not a "Cadillac".

[@MADpack]

Where are you based bro? USA?

[@tommypriest6342]

Yes, USA, relatively near New Orleans. I enjoy your insightful views, particularly how you look at the bigger picture. Thank you!

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much to follow my content and happy that you enjoy it. New Orleans would love to visit one day

[@matthewearl9824]

I don’t wanna Corvette I want a turbo Jeep.

[@MADpack]

Ahahah thank you for sharing

[@revolutionaries007]

The sherman S feels very nice, I still like the KS S22 more, it has a zippy feeling and is more nimble ---I dont care about distance as the 50 miles is fine and I dont like the big heavy wheels as I am not a guy that goes on 100 miles or 168 km . I never liked the size of the master pro or the new v13 ... I rides alot of trails and love jumping and if u are a sherman lover then this shermans S is FOR YOU. you can jump in the sherman and it is great on trails. Has more range than my beloved S22 so get it if you like a wheel with the mix of both distance and ability to jump. Cheers

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts about it with the community

[@ETAonTheEUC]

Many reasons why the Sherman-S is going to be the best all-around advanced wheel coming out. It's going to sell like the Max did. Begode would be hard to beat if they could simply improve their quality of their products, but it's almost as if they refuse to do so.

[@MADpack]

Lol I couldn’t agree more on that

[@YoungNeo777]

I have the max and I'm sticking with sherman they are the best

[@MADpack]

The max is amazing I tried it from a friend love it

[@brucewayne1859]

when solid state battery is arriving the EUC... man wish it would be tomorrow. nice video, always like to see a new one.

[@MADpack]

Happy that you enjoy this video and hope you like the next episode

[@mangu768]

Power/Range(Begode), Durability(Veteran) and Safety(inmotion/kingsong).. First company to fulfilled all these criteria's will control the EUC market.

[@MADpack]

When you say range you talk just because of the master pro?

[@mangu768]

@@MADpack 4800wh should amount to some sick range. That said i haven't really seen a video regarding the range of the Master pro just going on only specs at the moment.

[@MADpack]

Bonheur sur Seine have done a review and yea it have more but not much more than a 3600wh wheel

[@mangu768]

@@MADpack That is interesting... starting to wonder if Begode's 134v gamble was a huge misstep on their end. Sure you get more speed and torque but at the cost of range... that is just ridiculous.. if that is the case than the Ex30/Commanderpro are going to have as much range as a 100v 2700wh system...

[@MADpack]

That’s what everyone is seeing on the new wheels look to the InMotion v13 the sabe

[@firstlast9813]

You're absolutely right about Sherman-S changing people's perspective on wheels. I think Begode is going to lead the future of EUC with their counter-punch strategy since they have the fastest production, most powerful wheels, and make so many sales that all they have to do is wait for a wheel to drop before they make another one even better. I also think that the only reason Begode has so many wheels is because they assign a series of wheel to compete with an entire company. Ex. OG Sherman - Monster Pro, Commander Ex. Kingsong S22 - Master Ex. Inmotion V13 - Master Pro Ex. Sher-Max - Master (again) Begode gets hit in the wallet and swings back even harder with a new wheel. Sherman-S to Commander Pro. Now that means that the Master X is going to have even better performance than the Master Pro in 2023. When Begode strikes first, they usually fail, like with the EX20S & Abrams. Prediction: Similar to how the first phones weren't that capable, I believe that by 2026 there will be a 100 mph capable EUC. It will have features that don't exist yet on the market like a full motorcycle tire, better batteries, mostly seated riding, and lean assist.

[@MADpack]

First of all thank you so much for your comment makes sense what you said but that begode is going to lead the market I coundnt disagree more… I’ve done a video why begode is killing the EUC market: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2W4YZKbpZegbZY

[@firstlast9813]

@@MADpack 😄You're welcome! Honestly, Begode build quality is trash. I broke my taillight 2x on my Master. The last crash was at 2 mph. I have to pay $50 for a $3 part. They have a winning sales strategy for now, and after watching your video, I agree. In quality and production frequency, I think Inmotion and Leaperkim will be the lead. In terms of performance, I do not know. As an American, I know we have EXTREMELY dangerous roads for bikes. Everything is a highway. Other countries have way better paths for pedestrians. If EUC companies keep catering to American demand then the leader will be whoever can provide the most performance. Begode design philosophy has been *bigger, heavier, faster* for some time now. After a certain point EUC "can" become like a motorcycle alternative if this trend continues. Weighing 300 lbs and going a little bit slower while also having options like the little mten3 & 4.

[@MADpack]

The thing is there is a massive market where wheels of 29kg and 70kph are the essencial for majority of users

[@firstlast9813]

@@MADpack You're very right! I want the Master Pro but even the thought of lifting over 100 lbs has me thinking about where I can and can not go reasonably. 😅 A lighter wheel is a fun thought sometimes too.

[@MADpack]

I love my 2 v12 :) perfect size and weight

[@Hangin_With_Shane]

Marco, Great video and content my friend! I've always liked the Sherman Max and considered the Sherman S. Looks like a great wheel that won't disappoint! Be well -Shane

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much bro and yea the Sherman s looks amazing let’s see if I get one

[@ChrisH0Y]

I agree. I think the Sherman S remaining as a 100 volt wheel is the beginning of a standard that delineates what we as a society defines as either a personal human transporter device, or a car/motorcycle.

[@MADpack]

For Noemi don’t see the point to have more voltage to our wheels

[@alexelmagnifico]

Working with more Volts in general means less ampersge will be needed to achieve a similar "push", not the other way around as you mention. Other than that, nice video. 😀

[@yusufcanaktas6929]

Yes, Master Pro and Sherman s basically have the same Ah battery but because there are more batteries in series on the Master pro, the total battery size is bigger. The range on Master Pro is not even comparable to 3600wh wheels, as expected.

[@MADpack]

The battery on the master runs super fast and that is because of how much torque and power you can deliver on the wheel… thank you for you explanation

[@MADpack]

Have you seen the range test of bombeiros sur Seine??? Really disappointed with the range on it

[@KiwiMark67]

I've ordered a Sherman S and it is on the way (slowly) to me from China. If I was racing I might want a 134V wheel like the Begode Master, but I'm not racing. The fact is that I don't need more speed or power than what the Sherman S offers. I want decent power, speed & range and the Sherman S offers a good amount of each. I want low maintenance suspension that works well, it looks like the Sherman S is ahead of the rest here. There are wheels like the V13 or Begode Master Pro that have bigger wheels and are quite a bit heavier, that extra weight isn't what I want in my main wheel. I just want a solid performer that I can use as transport around the city and for exploring the environment around the country - the Sherman S fits the bill nicely from what I can tell.

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts why younourchase your veteran Sherman s

[@jchoi5488]

My first large wheel was the Nikola AR+, and its a basic great wheel that WORKS. People just want wheels that WORK.

[@MADpack]

Exactly we want to have something that works out of the Nikola was one of the best wheels that begode have ever produced

[@skiddysm]

Changing a tire on a s22 is soooooo easyyyyyyy wish other companies would follow

[@MADpack]

I agree with you :) on the v12 even with a lot of screws is easy

[@todd6888]

I think this issue with this new Sherman S that Wrong way touched on was how many points there are that are modular. It seems that over time that wheel will have many failures and issues. Might be great now, but lets wait 6mths after it hits the community and see how they are holding up. Also yes its unfortunate that battery technology has progressed so slowly for the masses. Until battery tech becomes lighter, faster, and ability to resist voltage sag, companies like begged will just strap more batteries to their wheels to say they are the longest range wheels.

[@MADpack]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the veteran Sherman s

[@BigBoss-gb4cx]

This dude gives a completely new meaning to the world "completely"

[@beard_in_pipes]

..And it's definitely a plus

[@MADpack]

Im confused Lolol sorry I didn’t get it :/

[@Magiiicko]

Hahaha, so true 😝

[@MADpack]

Im really so confused lolol

[@Magiiicko]

@@MADpack I think he is referring to one of your older videos, because you said it only one time in this video, I think😂

[@kwk8363]

Youre right but, if you would ride both of them, same speed, acceleration etc. You will get more range out of 4800 than 3600 no matter what. You could drain it in similar distance if you will ride harder. Bigger battery = more energy, energy is converted into motion and heat, theres no other way around. Master pro doesnt seems to be giant cooking owen, it runs pretty chill. The only diference can be on controller but think about this, is the controller so broken that it waste 35-40 % of total energy? And doesnt even heat up faster than shermans controller? Motion or heat - no other way around

[@kwk8363]

I forgot about the euc weight, it seems to be big gap - about 20%. But remeber that theres also a rider on top, in that case the weight difference drops to less than a half of that, just few percent.

[@milordas]

theres more factors to your calculations. Euc weight, controller output or motor power in other terms. As humans is not computers, its hard to ride smooth in simmilar conditions, as there power peeks exists always, so bigger power motors draws a little more power

[@arevee9429]

Living in an area where flats happen a lot, the tire change on the Sherman S is a turnoff. The Inmotion V11 is no picnic in that department either. Another thing that interests me is how easy is it to obtain replacement parts for the Sherman S. I needed some parts for my Sherman Max, and getting them took time. Lots of time.

[@MADpack]

How long it took and which parts? Thank you for your feedback

[@arevee9429]

@@MADpack There was a battery pack issue and it was months. It should be, fingers crossed, resolved this week. I'm specifically not mentioning the retailer because I don't want to bad-mouth them. I have heard, and this could be misinformation, that it is hard to get spares for the Sherman. But I mention this because spares availability is an important consideration when making a purchase decision as it's not that uncommon for EUCs to need repairs.

[@MADpack]

I completely understand that but more relevant is also for how long you can find parts

[@arevee9429]

@@MADpack 6-weeks or so.

[@MADpack]

Because unfortunately that was the reality with multiple wheel of different brands

[@milordas]

As i see you're always wrong :) Newer ever buy first batch wheels. Sherman S would be good, if it had: 1. pedal hangers different from battery covers, as if you broke it, you would need to change whole cover and its waaay not cheap. 2. A little sturdier trolley handle 3. Suspension just hanging there on the bottom, and if you lose battery covers geometry, you'll get grinding sound metal to metal.. some kinds on bearing rollers needed there.

[@michaelmercado1953]

The 134v is simply a marketing ply. If you're buying a wheel because it's more Voltage. You bought into a lie. The Sherman S proves voltage isn't everything. More power draw = less range. Obviously.

[@MADpack]

Exactly I agree if you are not after going above 70kph the 134v are not relevant

[@mig6220]

Range on MasPro is blunted if you push it hard - just like any other wheel... if you ride like you do with other wheels, the range is much, much more. Pushed hard to 60mph(unverified), and MasPro will give you 60 miles. 160 if ridden normally, according to the AlienRides review. Marty Backe gets the most range he's ever gotten. Just like the top speed, the high voltage is there only if you need it. In the US, the EX30 has a high demand. Up till now, 134v is only used on torque wheels! It's like putting a Ferrari engine in a diesel truck... lol The C40 motor is a SPEED motor. So it is wound differently, will be faster, and won't tax the battery as much. The 134v system is insanely powerful in a C30 RS that was tested here- faster than anything else in production.

[@MADpack]

Hi there is normal to be faster I have the begode master pro at home and I was riding it this last days and yes is normal to be faster and also to have more range than a 3600wh but not as significant if you think that you have an extra battery like the battery of the kingdoms s18 I would expect more

[@RicoWorldPeace]

I appreciate your work, but all the reviewers seem to miss the one major problem with this wheel, it's not modular. As a new rider, I have already changed the wheel on my master 3 times. And it was relatively easy to do. It's extremely difficult to change the wheel on this EUC, making it far from ideal. That plus is only a 100 V. Pass.....

[@MADpack]

Hi Rico thank you for your comment and I add a different perspective people say that is hard to swap a tire on a InMotion v12 yes a lot of screws but easy work to do … so yes begode can be easier but that for me is not a game changer if is still a process that is easy going like the v12… plus the begode is 134v and battery runs so fast so is a past for me because it reduces my Liberty to do what I want since euc are my only way of transportation

[@legyroquoi]

Right to the point! And I just saw your other video and you are totally right. I'm absolutely not interested in any of the new wheels. I don't even like my v12 and the v11 is OK but too high and heavy. The master is total trash, the s22 with its bad trolley, stiff suspension etc is not good, and the t4 and v13 are yet not appealing to me. Either too flimsy or too heavy. Even that Sherman is not that interesting to be. I'm sticking to my hero for another year. I want a light suspension wheel!!

[@MADpack]

Don’t worry 2023 is your year :)

[@InsanitiesBrother]

Everything has specs. The S18 is a light suspension wheel. Want more torque .. less range. Same range, then more batteries.

[@MADpack]

I didn’t understand bro

[@legyroquoi]

@@InsanitiesBrother indeed. The s18 is an almost ideal wheel for trail riding. I don't mind the smaller battery to keep it light , since I rarely do 50kms of trails. But lacks torque.. it's for light trails only . My best overall now is the v11, but cumbersome. Maybe the new improved s22 could do.. but man, I hate that trolley so much.. 😂

[@MADpack]

I get you I used to have the s18 but I sold because it had no range for my needs and was too slow the guy that bought it from me love it

[@MissDaisyTheRacoon]

So this has nothing to do with the Sherman S. I was riding in the snow lately, and my Begode Master suspension rusted and is very stiff... it feels like I'm writing a top heave V12. Can yo suggest a way to fix this? and what material I need to do it? Thank you Mad Pack,

[@MADpack]

If it rusted not sure what you can really do beside disassembling everything take all apart trying to see if there are rusted parts and clean them put some lub and if that does work I think you need to buy a new suspension because is broken and since is internal and you can do nothing just buy a better suspension for your master

[@beatnik1855]

I don't get the premise of this video. More volts does not mean less range. Don't look at volts, look at watts/hour. Compare batteries by watts/h. To propel you forward on any euc is about the same watts/hour unless there is a weight difference. So volts don't determine range, they determine the max power you can send down the same copper wires inside the motor. Amperage for these conductors is already at the max. Leaves one choice. You can shove as much power as you want by increasing voltage as long as you don't overheat the motor (80deg C and above and the magents are no longer magnets) etc

[@MADpack]

Bro if you have more volts is because they want to accomplish more speed to accomplish more speed they need motors with more torque and that requires more energy … is all related hope makes sense

[@beatnik1855]

@MADpack it absolutely does not make sense. Energy to move you forward x speed is roughly the same on any euc. If you are on a tiny euc the motor will be at its max or if you have a powerfull euc the motor won't be at its max but the same amount of energy is being used. I'm an electrical technician. Your explanation makes no sense. Watts is energy. Energy to move your mass from point a to point b DOESNT EVER CHANGE.

[@MADpack]

Lol ok electrician makes no sense :) what do you ride electrician? So I make you a question I have the v12HT and v12hs and the amount of range that I’m capable to take out of the 2 is a massive difference so is jus because of the tire having a more powerful motor makes no difference in consumption? Lololol is the same you say if I use a Porsche or a Dacia I Spend the same amount of petrol

[@prawnshop4573]

V13 rides like a bigger, heavier, faster v11 too bouncy for my taste. Sherman s suspension is perfect but too heavy. Is it too much to ask for v12 with suspension?🥰

[@MADpack]

I agree. V12 with suspension will be a dream even with a slightly bigger battery option if possible but the wheel could never pass 35kg

[@eBoard3R]

⚡🤙🏼 *Seems like they might be listenin to the riders for this one,* at least a little 🤙🏼⚡

[@MADpack]

Yeah bro veteran is doing the right move

[@Sock66]

Hey brother! How ya been? Hope you're well :) wheel looks cool! But not liking that it's so much plastic.... Tough... Who knows lol too much snow now up here for me to even think of taking my wheel out anyways haha

[@MADpack]

There is almost nonparticipating on this wheel bro

[@scottsum1319]

I like the ShermS & I also like the v13 now since its debuted on our shores. FWIW no one was hyped on the v13 either until now. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on the EX30 & indeed the Commander Pro as well since we dont have much on it except what Begode has shown in their short ride clips. That said, I am very impressed by how test BG seems to be doing & have done on the EX30. Infact I just saw vids on the EX30 with metal battery cases. Not gonna talk about looks as thats personal but as build & performance, we shall see. Dont forget the BG modular wheels have one huge advantage over most others, the ease of teardown & tire/tube changes. Whereas the ShermS would need a almost complete teardown for the same thing. Cant say about the v13 as yet since there's no teardown vids on it so far. End of the day, we shall see my friend. I get we all have our biases but lets not jump to premature conclusions as it may or may not be true. Dont wanna eat crow later now do we 😁

[@MADpack]

Im not biases if you follow me for a while you know that I’m a InMotion fan my favourite brand from all times hands down on it so for me to be interest in Sherman S say a lot :) begode really not on my list with there approach to the market and how to make things that you get a wheel that 6 months later is hard to get parts

[@ThaBlackCobra]

Thanks for your view my friend

[@MADpack]

Ohhhh how are you my friend? I didn’t hear from you for a long time

[@falcaodeaco]

Realmente estão ficando muito pesados, a solução para isso seria uma potência maior com baterias pequenas mas com tecnologia para carregamento de 5 minutos isso diminuiria bastante o peso deles os tornando mais eficientes sem se preocupar com distância percorrida, qualquer parada de 5 minutos em um lugar para lanchar ou descansar já seria suficiente para continuar sua jornada sem grandes problemas. Além do que ficariam também mais baratos.

[@MADpack]

Esse tipo de baterias também se paga portanto não sei para além de limitar o possível utilização da mm percebo a tua ideia mas irá acarretar custos tambem

[@taiguy]

this is 99% adam’s content.

[@MADpack]

Hi there I would recommend you to see the details of this video yes 100% of the b rolls are from Adam that send me videos to put has b roll because of the maximum issue that the uk market is living (new wheels are not coming to the uk). Hope this make sense.

[@MADpack]

And by the way b rolls are from wrong way but this is a 100% madpack idea, editing… the b rolls complement the video they are not the story. Have a great day my friend

[@Stefonewheel]

Hi. I’m buying a used Sherman og tomorrow Is this the Sherman og? I’m trying to look up the right euc that I’m getting.

[@MADpack]

No is not this one this is there 4rd wheel … the OG doesn’t have any suspension

[@laurv8370]

84V? My first one had 60V :D Very good video, btw. Kudos.

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much for checking my video

[@kthejung]

reliability.

[@FabienMathey]

I had to get back to this video and tell you that Veteran now introduced a 151V wheel 🤦‍♂️ but I am happy with the emergency braking performance without cut out of the 134V systems. Do not need more!

[@MADpack]

I’m aware of it and looks interesting but at which cost? And range will be a problem you will lose range for sure

[@FabienMathey]

@@MADpack yeah! The range will be max the same as the patton or the v12ht. Not much more. Just more weight, price etc. No need tbh! But they are the first 😅 I hope, like you, that they will come to their senses and use 100v wheels like the Serman S but with Samsung 50s batteries, so emergency breaking will be possible without cutout! The v12ht that I have cannot handle it and cuts out

[@MADpack]

@FabienMathey you had a cut out?!

[@FabienMathey]

@@MADpack yeah, huge pedal dip and then the iconic "be careful" and turning off at the speed of 30kph. I fell on my backside and that hurts. I avoided the accident but still. I then removed the pedal assist feature and kept it 100% flat. Haven't had it ever since though. Pedal dip, sure. But no more cut out. And the battery was at 80% when I emergency braked that day!

[@MADpack]

@FabienMathey pedal assist? Are you talking about the split mode? I have it and more than 7000km on v12 and no issues

[@mach16j]

Sherman s is like a big SUV that's not the fastest but still respectable. It's comfortable for long range and better for commuting than any begode wheel

[@MADpack]

I completely agree with you never thought like that but I never got attracted to sport card maximum the Porsche cayenne so makes a lot of sense your analogy

[@mazx19]

This video is not aging well 😂

[@MADpack]

Why?

[@omidel.]

The title.sounds so wrong...way better should be 😁

[@Roskellan]

If you go to 134V you won't have more range. umm you won't have less range either. It's the power available in Wh from your batteries which is the thing that is most significant in determining your range. Sure, if the motor is more powerful, the torque more available, and importantly you are using that, sure the range will be less. But for a given weight of wheel ridden in the same manner the ranges should not be a lot different (given the expertise in the manufacturer in writing their control software properly). The higher the voltage, the larger the motor, there may be some price to pay for efficiency, but that would be at the lower part of their operational envelope. Run a lower voltage, lower power motor at the top of its envelope along side a higher voltage more powerful machine, I would expect the more powerful machine to do better for a given capacity of battery. These things are all trade off's that had to be decided by the manufacturer, one thing inevitably trades off against another. Same thing when you make your choice to buy. What really throws a spanner into the works, is how well the manufacture pulled off the product given the choices they made.

[@MADpack]

I know that is normal they increase the voltage because they want to deliver more torque more power otherwise there will be no interest of making wheels of 134v

[@Roskellan]

@@MADpack That's exactly why they do it. Of course the boards need components spec'ed for these higher voltages, the transients are bigger dV/dt, fets hate that, so are the potential current surges fets aren't keen on that either. The end of the day though 745.7W gives you 1hp whether you deliver it at 134V or 85V, it will only do the same amount of work.

[@MADpack]

Thank you so much to share your knowledge about this you are more technical than me :)

[@Roskellan]

@@MADpack I was buying ex WW2 radio gear when I was 13 years old. 41 years in Satellite Communications. Radio Amateur (M0RRX). Designed and built DC motor controllers using PWM and using their back emf, car electronic ignition systems, amplifiers, countless interfaces of one sort and another, all the Satcom work (a lot), still not qualified to put on a plug :-) (never did the pat testing (30mins tops) qualification. In respect to EUC's I read a lot of comments people make regarding motors, batteries, controllers, FET's. A surprising number are actually very knowledgeable on the subject, but errors or misunderstandings do creep in. You can always learn more on any subject, even one that you are very familiar with (me included). Electronics is something I'm passionate about, bit like EUC's really :-)

[@MADpack]

Ahah yeah I’m really not the most knowledgeable in electronics my reviews are more related with experience built construction does things they are channels that do that electronic part much better than me I always try is to deliver a very honest and without filters thoughts about a wheel :) hope that that is still valid for you and all the community

[@PB2001PB]

what was wrong?

[@omidel.]

The footage was from wrong way...

[@firstlast9813]

@@omidel. Well, YT guidelines says anyone can use other people's clips as long as there is critique

[@omidel.]

@@firstlast9813 he was allowed..mentioned in the live.

[@MADpack]

We were wrong about the veteran Sherman S that will not be interesting since it was only a 100v wheel I saw so many comments on that if it makes sense

[@MADpack]

Before I used his footage I asked só this was accepted by wrong way :)

[@Laenthal]

All the points (while true and legitimate) presented as some kind of looser's cope. Is it the v13 that was the reason? Nahh, that's different weight and speed class of a wheel with the same price. Oh shi-

[@MADpack]

Im not getting you sorry

[@YoungNeo777]

Noone buy the sherman s until they make it easier to change tire...that's bullshit!!! It should be getting easier not harder

[@MADpack]

I get you… but I saw people saying is easy others saying that is hard… I saw people saying that to disassemble the v12 is hard but is my favourite wheel to do it because yes it have few screws but is so easy