Weapon switching is marginally faster than firing normally | TF2

[@JeffreyCH1]

"After 17 years in circulation, hopefully the new tech will be worth the wait"

[@Finnboy-ml5jv]

*9 years

[@alface935]

​@@Finnboy-ml5jv Wake up Finnboy Team Fortress 2 will be 17 years old when Day 10 of October arrives here in 2024 In 2025 (Next year) Team Fortress 2 will finally be able to enter the Military and fight overseas wars

[@Finnboy-ml5jv]

@@alface935 Gun mettle came out in 2015.

[@alface935]

@@Finnboy-ml5jv This Bug has been since Launch

[@Finnboy-ml5jv]

​@@alface935 This is not a bug lul. It's a game mechanic that works as intended. It became more viable after gun mettle reduced the default switch speed form 0.75 to 0.5. This was a tech before gun mettle but really ineffective. Now that the switch speed is faster than firing speeds of many weapons, this is possible.

[@Astrawboy_NameAlreadyInUse]

"Remember, switching to your sidearms is really faster than just firing guns."

[@JeffreyCH1]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmelon

[@kulekid6917]

random crit the watermelon

[@lolkage3136]

Comments that state the most obvious part of the video are garbage. Dur rocket go boom heheh.

[@LPGe]

MW2 yeeeah

[@oefest5252]

@@lolkage3136bro doesn’t get the reference 💀

[@k90v85]

as a heavy brass beast, dalokahs and fos player, this is a useful video

[@thechannelthatplantscrave5145]

Same

[@magicmanscott40k]

Lol

[@oktayyildirim2911]

The Brass Beast with no secondary damage dealer is just masochism.

[@MCcarlos235]

Have you tried with chocolate buff? ​@@oktayyildirim2911

[@nickspencerfishingrodd2383]

the ultimate tank

[@a6pukoc113]

Just like L4D shove spam to speed up pump shotguns firing!

[@non-guynary294]

oh, so that's why i've been seeing people spamming "shove" whilst firing the shotgun in l4d videos! i didn't know that either

[@c1ty]

@damsen978 no

[@rsho3472]

@damsen978 It sorta was, in L4D1 you could spam switch to skip the pumping animation, in L4D2 they removed the switching since you pump the shotgun everytime you switch weapons, but kept the shove-skip, I guess because it has a drawback of wasting your Shove charges

[@chrisaddy4025]

Or bad company 2 shotguns switch pump cancel

[@Dombazzy]

also for the single shot snipers (scout and awp)

[@wokepiscean4893]

The script kiddies are gonna love this one

[@random_tnt]

Useless since we have dt already and it practically works on everything

[@sparkle74HvH]

​@@random_tnt true and based

[@repliedpack5]

@@random_tnt what do you mean "we"? 🤨

[@locastable]

tf2 community is cooked, the first thing you mfs think is about someone using cheats with this. almost every competent comp player knows about this (specially pocket soldiers). i find funny the problem is always omg cheeters. yall minds been cooked by the bot crisis.

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Time to make a simple macro in my mouse software

[@shanshansan]

0:42 I've been doing this as Soldier because I felt it was faster. I didn't know it was ACTUALLY faster.

[@Razgris]

i did it because it was funny cutting off the sound

[@yesod1602]

People also did it because you just output significantly more damage in 1v1s. When I’m a soldier and a heavy surprises me, I can quick switch him in close range because it actually out damages heavy.

[@capnlatenight5356]

I've wondered why shotgun soldiers always seem to kick my ass.

[@valence9503]

you never had access to a clock is what you’re saying?

[@iSomeDood]

@@valence9503what? no he just never bothered to check, it seems

[@TunbosunOyenuga]

It has a known strat to quick-switch between the Degreaser and the Panic Attack to keep that fixed shot pattern.

[@Sashimipommes]

You fixed shot shot pattern after firing do you mean the accuracy

[@Piece-Of-Time]

​@@Sashimipommesyes

[@TunbosunOyenuga]

@@Sashimipommes Well kinda. the Panic Attack has a fixed spread that decrease with every successive shot. Although the word "accurate" is use on the weapon, I'll say the weapon more aligns with "precision".

[@maestrofeli4259]

​@@TunbosunOyenuga......bruh those are synonyms

[@TunbosunOyenuga]

@@maestrofeli4259 In how its conventionally used, yes. Reality-wise there’s actually a difference between precision and accuracy

[@ericrandall548]

My 1,000 hours of Doom Eternal will finally pay off with this information.

[@liam99c]

Exactly what I was thinking, this is literally just DOOM tech

[@reax5526]

What is there to do for 1000 hours in doom eternal

[@chillokay5189]

@@reax5526spreed the Holy Spirit into demons (they will die)

[@richardvlasek2445]

@@reax5526 what is there to do for 10 hours in doom eternal let's be real

[@c1nqbl7]

​Naaah huge cap @@richardvlasek2445

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

Babe wake up new TF2 tech just dropped

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

Inb4 "erm this tech has been known for 10 years already"

[@OmegaRC59]

I think Whispy or whatever the guy's name was had been doing the degreaser and panic attack trick for some time already, so unironically "erm this tech has been known for 10 years already" lmao. The amount of damage that can put out is genuinely terrifying in the right situations but it's hard as hell to do consistently under pressure

[@junglistloli]

I've been using the original + panic attack for a while lol

[@hannayapelekai1628]

yea switchgunning has been a thing forever lol (reserve shooter combos for example)

[@abdc2990]

​@@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate It has tho. Mostly used for soldier. Look up "shotgun switching".

[@TheFrozenBoiTF2]

my ultrakill ass when I play tf2:

[@garfieldbutswagger4967]

"Meet the Guttertank"

[@davisdf3064]

The only thing that is lacking is the ability to equip two shotguns so you can swap between them

[@j-network1214]

@@davisdf3064 That makes me wonder how well it'd work in Team Fortress Classic. Many classes in that have 2 shotguns.

[@davisdf3064]

@@j-network1214 Probably good enough, the normal shotgun can be rather underwhelming in TFC

[@iamerror6546]

as someone who has also played ultrakill, what?

[@NoahWood-j1v]

0:32 good strat: panic attack + lib launcher, actually works well

[@mendyshelios0451]

new update : changed weapon deploy/switch to 0.65 (was 0.5) btw this trick is fun to use with liberty ln and panic attack,

[@masterowl123]

or the reserve shooter, get that midair minicrit after popping them up

[@GLink33PlaysMC]

I must have subconciously figured this out because i switch weapons between shots during tense fights as shotgun soldier. I never understood why i was doing it other than it felt right. Nice to know there is a real benefit

[@hsn-741]

Same

[@Astrawboy_NameAlreadyInUse]

@@hsn-741 That's great.

[@SU76M]

Shotgun solider?

[@CursedSFMS]

@@SU76Mplaying as soldier using a shotgun

[@abdc2990]

It gives you better control of the fight because by the time your rocket has hit, your enemy might be launched in the air unoredictably and SG is more reliable then, and whe your enemy has landes you can hit a rocket again.

[@meaty2406]

how will this affect the trout population?

[@badthej]

heavily

[@MihanTheNoob]

i lold so hard i busted my left testicle

[@barrygamer7449]

Como isso afeta o Gremio?

[@thing.]

@@badthej (heavy)ly

[@RedRockin6]

How does the industrial revolution affect this new tech?

[@imabird1566]

Lazypurple kinda already showed this in his how it feels to play pyro video, but this goes more in depth into it. Fascinating!

[@sillyman357]

Oh my goodness gracious

[@daviddavid5848]

Destiny 2 type dmg rotation

[@BlindingLight]

Finally my hours practicing quick swapping on Doom Eternal will have paid off

[@Slenderquil]

I kinda expected something like this to exist with the panic attack, I just wasn't good enough to pull it off.

[@Faremax_]

ive noticed this too because i always got anxious with how much time there was between firing a rocket and waiting for the next one, like i just had the urge to switch to my shotgun in those gaps, and then i proceed to miss both my weapons shots and die

[@adog3129]

it would probably feel more satisfying to shoot the rocket launcher if the rounds were loaded individually between shots like irl. so it looks like he's actually trying to go fast. but it would be hard to visually justify the mag then

[@DuckieMcduck]

now this is true brainrot

[@The-toast]

"oh yeah this ultrakill game is really cool." ... "wait..."

[@mavolent6332]

Ultrakill strats comin' right up

[@lestersmug11]

ive known this for soldier with the shotgun but didnt think too much about it, thanks for showing us

[@Wild_Rumpus]

i love to effectively have higher ping because I'm not switching weapons after every shot

[@abdc2990]

Trust me it's not worth developing the mechanics to properly master this tech, it's too rarely worthwhile.

[@mintme1876]

Ahh Rumpus, where do I even begin

[@ammi5311]

Comp demo are so mind blown they been doing quick swap for a reason 😅😅😅

[@krollic]

@@abdc2990 nonsense

[@abdc2990]

@@krollic I'm speaking with 7000 hours in game. I can perform this technique quite reliably, but in 99% of cases, you'd be better off spending time learning how to position or communicate with your team more. As I said in other comments, the only people whom I know use this technique regularly are 2000+ elo MGE sweats tryharding on the 2 or 3 arenas that don't reward positioning much like ammomod or nosplash.

[@Pygargue00fr]

Wasn't always like this. Switching guns was a bit slower from 2007 to 2014. Kinda wished that was a thing again, it made the draw animations less "snap in to place"

[@Pygargue00fr]

More natural

[@takefive5607]

This has been known for decades. Its called quick switching. Nice video explaining it with detail though. Thanks for uploading

[@danforce4222]

We now have Doom Eternal strats in TF2

[@RightSunDraws]

I honestly thought people already knew this.

[@justarandomdood]

Interesting but probably not too useful unless you have some sort of script, macro, or wild muscle memory Still tho, awesome find, can't believe i haven't seen anything for this until now :D

[@justas423]

There is probably a loadout and keybind set up this is absolutely beastly with.

[@0netwoguy54]

Probably can bind scrolling up and down to fire and switch guns... How does it feel dying to my finger motion of squishing an ant?

[@AxialStudiosyaboi]

this has been my entire playstyle for every single videogame ive played even before watching this video nice to see it acknowledged

[@sheacorduroy5565]

Lmao I’m getting flashbacks to shove-cancelling in L4D

[@F-117-zz4sq]

erm this tech has been known for 10 years already

[@widhskxnkan1349pl]

It seems like no one ever talked about it, why is it shared now?

[@sharoyveduchi]

Ok buddy. I will now call Serbia to deal with y ou

[@Megalaoofania]

​@@sharoyveduchigaw damn that's a big budget to hire the entire country of serbia

[@CursedSFMS]

@@Megalaoofaniahes John Serbia

[@abdc2990]

​@@widhskxnkan1349plIt's really annoying to execute in-game. You essentially have to pick between having one finger constantly busy switching, or having a script which could fuck you over if it switches when you don't want it to. Only people who use this regularly are 2000+ elo tryhards on MGE ammomod lol

[@blacklight683]

i kinda naturally learned this while playing soldier&pyro, i switch between rocket launcher/flamethrower and panic attack like this but never considered demo since my aim is so bad i use the pauses between shots to mentally calculate how to miss all of my shots

[@juggernautguy7442]

they call this qq cancelling in vermintide

[@chiikkenn]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I've been doing this with demo especially and soldier if I'm using a shotgun

[@-Raylight]

Switching to your firearms really makes you faster huh xD

[@aseriesofletters6346]

the shotgun sound overlapping with the Original sound made for a really cool visceral gunshot sound effect. could sample that and use it standalone for a new gun and it would go crazy

[@Mister2463]

I've been using the rocket launcher / panic attack combo for awhile now and confirm it's pretty awesome

[@thenamestails7152]

That's called 3CatSpam in another game. (Pixel Gun 3D)

[@kerzid]

this is kinda balanced by the fact that you have to adjust your aim style everytime you switch just for a half second difference this feels totally fine; a more difficult tactic yielding slightly more reward typa thing

[@engineerbeta1515]

My brain trying to focus on doing this at the same time as moving and coordinating my shots and movement

[@claymeistereu]

As an ambassador of the liberty attack combo, glad our secret is common knowledge now. Expect a present in the mail.

[@LukeyPooky]

bruh ive played this game for 13 years and i didnt know this

[@krona2894]

Close enough welcome back double pump

[@verditf2]

I've instictively been using this since forever, it's a similar trick to the one medics use to heal with the medigun in between crossbow shots 😮 It's nice to have someone finally check how much it actually helps! 🤩

[@An1mat0rz]

Hearing the audio cut out is so funny to me

[@someone4229]

Cant wait to make a config out of curiosity to auto swap with stickies LOL

[@abdc2990]

In most cases you'd be better off slowing your firing pace just a tiny bit and aiming more precisely. Only god-tier demos can reliably switchfire efficiently.

[@vexios2694]

@@abdc2990 this or on revved up heavies

[@grogcito]

I've been doing this ever since the switch and holster speed got added to the game, I guess it really did make a difference

[@iReima]

This also works in Abiotic Factor with melee weapons

[@Biblydododlyos123]

Shotgun swapping reference

[@wolverdep4739]

Ah, that explains why my airblast always messes up when a soldier constantly shoots rocket and switching to shotgun

[@Jayson13572]

So those MGE soldiers were right all along

[@Vexcenot]

It's got a rythem to it that sounds nice

[@GAoctavio]

Sticky+instant pipe has been tech for a while but I though it was just about burst damage, turns out its even better

[@1KiloDepartment]

I already love the combo with Panic Attack/Reserve Shooter and Liberty Launcher (or Original, purely for the sake of shot consistency), interesting that it short off works with other weapons. I guess the best way to utilize this would be to make an alias bind that toggles between firing the primary and secondary weapons. Though you would probably have to use the "wait" command, which doesn't work in all servers.

[@KolMan2000]

While I’ve literally never played TF2 in my life, this is definitely a cool insight into game design and exploits

[@Quyzbuk86]

Not even an exploit, that's a baked in feature for the degreaser flamethrower and the panic attack shotgun. Wildly popular feature back in the "puff and sting" days of pyro gaming as you basically erased anything that wasn't a heavy in the blink of an eye.

[@derpsterYT]

Lazy purple talked about the degreaser pyro one in his how it feels to play pyro video. Its genuinely so good, since you essentially have two weapons.

[@lija-everything]

I do this all the time with crossbow + ubersaw as medic. it's unreal how those weapons cover each others' weaknesses while also being generally the best medic weapons.

[@Blank_handle]

Ultrakill reference

[@daylawashere]

tf2 players discover the double pump, heartwarming

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

This with degreeser and panic attack is peak

[@Srelathon]

There's a reasopn degreaser + panic attack is my favorite combo lol

[@demi-femme4821]

Ah yes, LazyPurple's dual-wielding technique. Surprised it works that well on Soldier. Maybe I should try it next time I'm in mid-to-close range.

[@W4ntedGaming]

There is something similar in GTA V/Online. but not only it's faster by switching between types of weapons, but it's also faster when switching between the same type of weapon this allows you to literally fire rockets almost like a machine gun

[@spikeslab5922]

Bro said "marginally" as some have a almost a whole to half a second between comparisons. Thats huge in TF2 TTK. That enough time to save you from a kill shot or enough time to ice a CQC pyro shark.

[@buszka695]

I knew Soldier strat long ago but it's so op with something like reserve shooter or panic attack

[@dimsthedimwit600]

Ik about Soldier and Pyro, but it being the case with Demo as well is hilarious

[@PlugSocketStudios]

This is definitely a technique I've subconsciously been using for the last few years. I didn't know it was actually faster though. For me it was just placebo.

[@nartuz5016]

As a Doom Eternal player I see this as a W

[@tobyret9302]

Ooooh, it is practical. Stock demo can go crazy if he actually understand what he's doing when he cuts your movement with stickies and then shooting more predictably with grenades. Actually bumped in one of these at some point. Then Panic/Liberty Launcher combo that just annihilates everything on close to mid range. Elmaxo did a video about it.

[@Freaktacular]

fancy little tricks won't make up for trash decision-making skills that make you walk into certain death

[@BigBossEats]

4:30 AM KZbin giving me the Dead Sea scrolls of information

[@nathamiell]

The quick swap tech never ends.

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

I already sort of do this with soldier. I don’t do it to get those shots off faster, but rather because in the time that I can shoot another rocket, I can instead switch to my shotgun to do follow up damage and quickly switch back. It just makes you damage output more reliable and efficient.

[@gunmancarl9618]

this feels like shotgun swapping from ultrakill

[@FavoriteSniper]

The only way for this to be practical, would be to set the bind mouse 1 to both left and right mouse button then also set weapon slots of main weapon on left click and right click as the secondary weapon, then lastly have a third button to detonate the stickies.

[@maestrofeli4259]

pannick attack dgreaser is a classic pyro combo

[@cubanwargaming4879]

I knew there was something unusual about my performance when running the liberty launcher and the reserve shooter, so that's why it didn't feel as anemic as usual. Swapping weapons truly is faster than reloading, or waiting on the firing delay

[@clorb1939]

i've been using this tech unknowillingly as spy to hit quick combos at close range with ambi and my knife

[@SPCHC]

WELCOME BACK DOOM ETERNAL QUICKSWITCHING

[@TrouserSnivy]

played MGE against a shotgun soldier doing this very well years ago and the only thing I could call it was "Quake DM"

[@note5068]

Oh I do this with IronBomber and QuickiBomb. I thought it was just plecebo and didnt actually think it fires faster😭

[@skhighglitch4217]

Combos in Doom Eternal/ Ultralill be like:

[@N0THANKY0U]

mge soldiers and demos have known this intuitively so it's good to see it proven correct

[@lil_ursa]

I abuse this with liberty launcher/panic attack when I know the enemy pyro can airblast

[@MLPderpy732]

Quick switching between liberty launcher and panic attack is even faster

[@kthatsit391]

I remember some demoman on the enemy team doing this method and he was top scoring. I don’t think he was a good demoman, but he was pretty smart for using this method it seems.

[@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist]

Standard switch and fire TF2 CFGs using the in-game scripts should allow you to pull this off. The best use I've found is Panic Attack plus Direct Hit, weirdly enough. Something about the switching (mixed with always strafing to match enemy movements while firing) seems to lead to a lot of scouts getting thrown off their dodging game. Bonus Tip: Strafing to the left will lead to the projectile path (where the actual crosshair should be) 'dragging' further to the right and vice versa. This is far more extreme than the small offset to the right that all projectile weapons except the Original have. Always moving while grounded, compensating for the offset, and always alternating between shotty and rocket, plus the one-shot pressure you can apply to any light class without overheal makes the thing a beast really quickly. Outside of high level scrims and PUGs, you can stomp pretty much any lobby, pub, or low level 6v6/HL game if you can hit scouts even semi-consistently. For bonus points, you can find a willing scout buddy for MGE. That RL is digital crack with its one-shots.

[@deadspace4755]

In theory, this tactic works best with weapons that have an attack interval(fire rate) as close or away from the 0.5? With the sniper rifle, you don't get increased fire rate for example? Or you do? l like reading and analysing numbers but l am stuck here, probably since haven't tested this and not tested using time as mentioned in the video

[@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist]

@@deadspace4755 The difference is tiny enough to not matter much unless you have a reason besides the small speed boost to switch. Just knowing that you're not slower is enough, and people usually aren't used to classes besides pyro switch spamming. Both soldier and demo can benefit, since they have natural reasons to switch weaps often. A lot of snipers do seem to just switch off to a melee after a shot out of habit (maybe from other games?). It might reduce the time you're stuck in place after a shot, but I'm not very familiar with the class.

[@deadspace4755]

@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist This trick gives slight benefits that make a difference but with weapons that give a switch boost, this tactic seems more usable

[@shilithidsrighthand]

This is what i usually was doing with pyros since it's a way to annoy them, guessin if i will shoot 1 or 2 from my Granade or Rocket Launcher. I didn't realize this was a way to shoot a bit faster with Soldier and Demo. If you ask about the Pyro, that's actually something too old and niche knowleadge between the pyro mains (if you didn't know, that's ok, i'm a main Demo, both learned something new).

[@forfungamer1337]

looks like doom eternal quickswitching which is cool

[@lackforesight7956]

Damn, I’ve been keeping the panic attack one to myself for awhile.

[@CharmineX]

This is why double pump got invented

[@greyhound4639]

I imagine that even if one can't get the execution quite right to maximize fire rate, just switching weapons so often will make the opponent's job of juking different weapons much harder.

[@Reimu__Hakurei]

I’m a way.. your wasting ammo.. but if you know the distance time between your shots this is a awesome combo.

[@Thornskade]

'Remember, switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading' TF2: 'Remember, switching to your other weapons is always faster than firing consecutively'

[@phone_gal]

combo class dreams are realized also Panic attack with liberty launcher gang rise up

[@abrittishpanfish6269]

Cool now I don't have to pick which of demo's 2 primary weapons to use

[@bryannaing6316]

I feel like Spy mains must've figured this out years ago.

[@shootingblueyes]

Ive been doing this (poorly) with the paintrain and the 'last weapon' button