Aston Martin's alarming F1 drop-off raises serious questions

[@SmashGhost]

The biggest question: When will Stroll be replaced by a driver capable of fighting for points every weekend?

[@StraightRocketFuel]

I think he has lost interest recently and wouldn’t be that surprised if he did step down to do something else in the next two years.

[@zeberto1986]

When he either quits or daddy Stroll gets a grip and realises his son, while a better driver than me, is not good enough for F1. Tbh youre more likely to win a lottery without buying a ticket...

[@itsmatt517]

Apparently the only reason Aston Martin is being funded by Laurence Stroll is because it's providing a seat in the race for his son. So if Lance goes then Aston Martin is up for sale.

[@willywonka4340]

​@@itsmatt517Honda, if so inclined , can seize this opportunity and go all out instead of just supplying powerplants.

[@robotnikkkk001]

=WHEN HIS DAD WILL SELL THE TEAM,OF COURSE =HEHEHEHE

[@leviathanops4524]

They'd be 2nd in the championship if not for Stroll. It doesn't matter how good the car is at what part of the season, Stroll treating the sport like his weekend hobby is what is keeping this team back.

[@jathiyakhan720]

True but even with seb they probably would still be overtaken as they can't devolop as fast as others

[@Rosario_Verano]

He did start well, being somewhat behind Alonso, despite being injured at the start of the season. However, since summer, he has fallen of a cliff. If Lawerence is serious about the project, he has to think about Lance's future very seriously.

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

​@@Rosario_Verano he had one decent race then fell off as usual. Miami, Alonso P3, Lance P13, embarassing

[@ediltonspencer6974]

​@@bbtoddhe got P4 in Australia because the 2 Alpines collided and he was lucky the results were reverted because he actually put the car in the gravel in the following corner. Did you watch the race? Only good drives were in Bahrain and Jeddah, nothing else was good.

[@itswais77]

Shame cause Stroll on a good day is like one of the best on the field

[@ericmcmanus5179]

If Stroll scored points equal to Alonso in the first half of the season, i think aston martin would still hold a comfortable lead to mercedes and ferrari. Think of all the second and 3rds they could have gotten.

[@dirty_mac]

Can you name a single driver on the grid that can do that besides Max Verstappen or Lewis Hamilton

[@el_loc]

@@dirty_mac Probably Lando and Oscar, Sainz or Leclerc also could be possible

[@dirty_mac]

@@el_loc none of them are at the level that the 3 drivers are at this season. Alonso really out drove the car

[@justinburley8659]

@@el_loc No

[@soundscape26]

A big ask to score equal amount of points to Alonso... half would already be a big win for him.

[@djdsf]

While yes, the team is sliding backwards, if Stroll would have been up there with Alo, then they would have a big enough cushion to hold off Mercedes and still potentially be second and at worse only finish a close third. Instead, Stroll has been an anchor around the neck of the AMR23 and has held them back.

[@fierce.deity00]

Imagine a timeline where we had a Seb & Alonso driver pairing at AM

[@Sum_Ting_Wong]

Alonso would bury him

[@soundscape26]

​@@Sum_Ting_Wong But Seb would do much better than Stroll.

[@Us155f]

​@@Sum_Ting_Wongmostly, but I think seb could beat him in a few races. Alonso always has those average weekends by his standards. Maybe 5 races

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Why did Vettel have to leave man, left me with a team I actively despise because they’re complete idiots. 15 years of supporting Force India as well

[@hectornecromancer5308]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall tbh, Seb's strength is not his driving (his performance in relation to Lance are much more equal than Alonso's performance in relation of Lance), but his ability to help the team develop a competitive machinery

[@ammaratra3949]

It is just the matter of one man team. Alonso keeps scoring and Stroll kepps crashing

[@raulvidal8846]

Pls do tell us how many crashes he’s had this season?

[@993mike]

Crashes or not, Stroll is just not competent or consistent.

[@glenrobinson10]

The huge difference between McLaren & Aston Martin is that the former seem to understand their development path. Aston Martin don't. They seem to have struck gold in the off-season but not once did an update work.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

And McLaren have better drivers. Oscar Piastri should have been picked up by AM when he was out of contract, why the fuck not?

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

poaching ideas from other teams without understanding the technicalities will do that, it wouldn't surprise me if 2024 starts off rough for Aston but steadily improves, given they will have had more time to actually understand what has and has not worked. I also think developing heavily into the final third of the season is a mistake, it has been clear to me at least since Canada that they do not fully understand why certain aspects of their car work and others don't, adding more upgrades to the mystery likely will not help.

[@bedbath9056]

@duval Alonso is far better driver than Noris or Oscar.

[@ahmettarkkaya2915]

@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 That's actually why they're bringing updates until the end of season. They brought a big upgrade to Canada to solve the car's weaknesses, mainly DRS efficiency and straight line speed. And according to the statements from the team, the updates in fact helped with those problem. This is also represented in the data from race weekends. The problem though, the updates also brought some unexpected side effects. Mainly narrowing the operating window of the car. This also explains why the car had a good pace in some weekends like Canada and Netherlands. You also can see the car's balance is really bad at most weekends, which wasn't the case in the start of the season. So, the updates they're planning to bring are mainly to address these issues, which they weren't able to detect on their simulations. That's why it would also help with developing next years car which is going to be an evolution of this year's car. The problem though, they are not able to bring the updates. For example the new front wing should have arrived at the Friday morning of Singapore weekend according to the teams statements but it didn't. It also wasn't there last weekend. I'm hoping these are because of some production problems related to moving to a new factory but there are no explanations they have made till now to the press

[@wiegraf9009]

They really seem to be shooting in the dark

[@96wtfomg]

Recency bias would make the sesaon seem like a disappointment, but at the end of the day it has been a great season for them. Let's hope for 2024 they can learn from this.

[@kevinstreet5709]

Right on, let's get things in prospective I wouldn't right them off just yet

[@naeemhalim4451]

I would disagree, Alonso has had a great season, from the team's perspective, they could have had so much more if they 2 f1 drivers instead of 1 f1 driver and 1 Sunday driver. The team's performance should be seen from the perspective of the performance of both drivers.

[@samfields3086]

Terrible season for them and Fernando didn’t even make this car better

[@stevejh69]

Never been an Alonso fan. But his resurgence at Aston has been so impressive. Hope they give him a better car going forward.

[@MDE_never_dies]

If Alonso had half Hamilton's luck he'd be a 7x WDC or higher by now.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@MDE_never_dies We'll never know now because he already turned down Brawn before.

[@justinn5357]

How can you not be an Alonso fan? He’s so based.

[@summervibes6835]

teammate*

[@lancealvarez1009]

@@MDE_never_dies Alonso used all his luck in 2005 kimi car kept breaking down that year

[@NeedforMine1]

The gap between Stroll and Nando in inexcusable. Aston Martin simply cannot be a championship contending team if they have Stroll. He costs too much money both in crashes and points lost.

[@Querientje]

He cost money? His dad basicly pays for the whole circus

[@NeedforMine1]

@@Querientje that's his dad, not him. He crashes very often and scored a quarter of Alonso's points. He costs money

[@rt-uh6mt]

@@NeedforMine1 crashes often? His crash in Singapore was the biggest crash of the year I think. But he hasn't crashed often. Not this year

[@tbicks2822]

@@NeedforMine1 Have you even been watching this year? You can accuse him of being naff this year points-wise but to say he crashes "very often" shows that you either haven't been watching, or haven't been concentrating.

[@keiton9512]

Stroll doing his best Latifi impression this year is really helping aston martin.

[@Lamlerongy]

PR transformation

[@danlowery8749]

I’m relatively new to F1 as a fan. Halfway through Max’s rookie season was my introduction via a Dutch friend. It’s taken me awhile to wrap my head around how long it takes for teams to gel and move from backmarker to midfield, from midfield to contender, etc. Changes implemented now won’t blossom until 12-18 months from now. Maybe longer

[@edubvb5193]

Williams is the best team to look at in this regard. If you mess up the car, you will be rowing against the tide for years, and it will take a huge toll on costs, staff and culture. Williams with Massa-Stroll has absolutely nothing to do with Williams with Albon-Sargeant. They've had to change almost everything to see a substancial change and they are still far from being established in the midfield! F1 is brutal, but so interesting when you dive into these depths.

[@littlepippin8445]

The most important part of F1 to learn and get used to is Red Bull, Max Verstappen, and Michael Massi STOLE Lewis Hamiltons world championship in 2021. And bizarrely them, the FIA and thier fans carry on like nothing happened.

[@wiegraf9009]

@@edubvb5193With the entrenchment of infrastructural advantages by the cost cap it seems unlikely Williams will ever be competitive for the top again. They seem to have all the right elements right now but they can't catch up in improving their operations

[@edubvb5193]

i agree. williams have been fighting against their own underdeveloped infrastructure and it will take a long time before their new project shows any result@@wiegraf9009

[@wildsnivy7225]

While the technical details are neat and all, the elephant in the room is never going to stop being Lance Stroll. Aston Martin is a one car team right now and they'd easily be fighting for a P3 team finish (at minimum) if they had more double points weekends

[@halofreak1990]

Alonso's wishing he had an RB19, so he could single-handedly defend the team's position in the championship

[@96wtfomg]

The radios Alonso makes are no different from Lewis' and Max's. Have we not established that all drivers get frustrated??

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Unfortunately people still use driver raido to paint an unfortunate image about drivers they dont like lol or use it for their own agendas

[@ediltonspencer6974]

Tbh I don't get why the media is using Alonso's radio comment as " Oh Alonso is showing his true colours again". In my understanding he was complaining to the team that they boxed him too early right into traffic. That has nothing to do with getting impatient and frustrated with the team. All these journalists want is to create a fuss so there is content to sell. So how they manipulate things to suit their agenda.

[@thatsawrap5235]

@@ediltonspencer6974 That's the British media for you. They've been painting him as a bad guy since 2007.

[@vi14753]

It jus doesn't happen between alonso and British media. The more they like mercedes, so many podcasts and channels have openly supported hamilton this year and equally poke at Aston martin.

[@MuhammadAwais-js4ii]

Also when alonso said the car was undrivable it had a broken front suspension context is important here

[@Sum_Ting_Wong]

They found a loophole in the regulations and the FIA closed it down because it was not "within the spirit of the regulations". I am guessing front wing had ALOT to do with it. The Canada updates masked that due to the track because it suited the car but ever since has been a big downward spiral. Holland was an exception but everywhere else they're 3rd or 4th best, sometimes even 5th and 6th best. It's only Alonso's brilliance keeping them in the points.

[@tbicks2822]

I think the biggest thing that people forget is that Alonso steered basically the entire development of the car in preseason testing. Its such a huge session development/setup-wise, and it led to the cars being specifically tailored to Alonso. Lance came in for the first race having had no chance to provide feedback, and had to drive what was for all intents and purposes Alonso's car. What suits Alonso clearly doesn't suit Stroll.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

It's actually not true, Lance prefer an understeery set up, as it allows him to feel the car far better since less unpredictable. This is very much something Alonso likes as well, yet he is crushing Lance. It just showcases Lance limits and his lack od concentration.

[@tbicks2822]

@@quentinhirschfeld9382 If you think steering is the only way in which drivers preferences vary in car setup, you're either extremely underinformed or arguing in bad faith. Regardless, not a good person for me to engage in a discussion with on the issue.

[@tbicks2822]

Also, i've seen you comment on a number of F1 videos, and most are to talk shit about Stroll. You even commented how bad of a driver was on the video of HIS POLE lmao. Suffice to say, the opinions of internet trolls mean nothing to me.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Good to see someone who is rational and doesn’t have goldfish memory. The same happened to Massa, Kimi, Vandoorne, Button. People just don’t want to see the truth that a car developed around Alonso is undriveable to other drivers.

[@jarofflies1]

Alonso and AMR have already overachieved with all that has been done so far this season. We know that the truth is that nobody expected them to fight for podiums or even points in every race and Alonso was hoping that 2024 would be the breaktrough year with the new factory and wind tunnel. The rise of McLaren to this level is also something unexpected to happen midseason, and hopefully next year AMR have a better development plan for the car.

[@melvinvanmelzen]

On top of that we are still waiting for Ferrari to implode

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Aston Martin have overachieved. Not Alonso. Alonso’s underachieved and still hasn’t won a race. Even during peak Mercedes domination Ferrari (Vettel) and Redbull (Max, Ricciardo) were stealing wins from Mercedes. This is the first time the top team has no competition from the 2nd best team. Leclerc, Lewis, Russell, Max and Vettel would’ve won in Monaco with that Aston Martin

[@jarofflies1]

@@paperplane-db8qf then why isn't Stroll being consistently on the points or even getting through Q1 if the car is that good? 🤡

[@ThePandasian34]

Don’t beat around the bush, yes it’s Aston Martin under developing their car due to what ever constraints it has. But its mainly Lance stroll not pushing his weight like Alonso has in helping with development of the AMR and scoring points like Alonso to help keep the points coming in

[@YecrozGaming]

Apparently they had a loophole going on and then the fia said stop that shit... they pretty much are doing the same lap times as last year when they got stopped from doing the loophole.

[@mgers75]

My theory that ive not heard anyone else discuss is AM lost some momentum as they are transitioning into the new factory. I think that stalled their 2023 in season development.🤷‍♂ We'll know next year or since the factory is supposed to provide big advantages in cost savings, efficiency and they still havent finished the wind tunnel

[@wiegraf9009]

They quite simply took some development directions that didn't yield any results while everyone else caught up.

[@TheAYM91]

This was their first season competing with the big teams and its a success regardless of how they finish. They will definitely be back next season with new factory fully functional. The only concern is that its not just other teams out-developing them, they have definitely gone somewhere wrong in their own development. They were one of the fastest in slow speed corners and very good in medium speed corners. Their Tyre Deg was one of the best in the field. They have lost those strengths. Alonso is still extracting every bit of performance out of that car.

[@AlexanderSchug-e9g]

Its their 2nd season. Remember 2020 and the pink Mercede (and they we're punished for illegal copying)? This is the Same Team. Buy a RB top Designer, Take what he knows, build a strong Copy Car, fail all continued development. 2nd halve of 2023 IS the same as 2021. A midfield copycat team will always stay a midfield copycat team.

[@jumpcutfilms1958]

Aston finishing 5th in the constructors would be such a failure. It definitely feels like the so-called "upgrades" since Canada actually served to make the car worse

[@rafiazmi]

Other teams have two feedbacks, this team only has one😮

[@inspiredglue2056]

I think what's important is that this shows Aston can build a good platform to begin with, something Mercedes struggled with even. Next they need to put it together, and once they have their full facilities I am confident they will do just that. Next year, they probably will start strong again

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

Part of me hopes that next year Ferrari can finally FINALLY get their sh*t together. Add to that a resurgent McLaren and an Aston Martin in an upward trajectory. I would love to see Mercedes demoted to the 5th team on the grid. .

[@kfuj1815]

My friend back in Japan works at the Suzuka Circuit hotel- From all the cool stories of meeting and checking drivers in, the biggest standout was Stroll checking in seemingly hungover with a bunch of golf bags and diva-like requests for his room.

[@wiegraf9009]

Ooof.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I must admit that the fact that AM were surprised by the lack of performance in Singapore because Lance crashed on the wrong day, did pass through my mind... Only briefly though.

[@octaviocuesta1155]

On the development front, Lawrence Stroll's approach of buying the champion's car and painting it pink or green probably isn't doing the engineers any favors when it comes to grasping and developing a concept

[@cococalm]

If Mini Stroller were competent or was replaced by someone competent, I do believe they would be 3rd comfortably. The weak link is junior Stroller and is also one of the most expensive drivers on the grid (crash after crash after crash).

[@WesLydon]

Why did this become an ad for the Qatar race right in the middle?

[@newsmithyoutube]

For that sweet sweet oil money

[@redsocialist5474]

I’ve always been shot down for this opinion BUT, I’ve always felt Alonso is incapable of driving development of his teams cars. At Renault he had a very good team, with some major technology advantages and a team mate who despite being slower was a very good development driver.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

I think the same, all the teams he drove for had dramatic downfalls.

[@pauljh74]

Aston Martin hit the ground running at the start of the year - punching above their weight. Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren have all made forward progress at a greater rate than Aston Martin and have overtaken them. Their failure is lack of relative development compared to the opposition

[@TheEmpire822]

Yea but they are still rebuilding. They are in talks with someone for a works partnership and that has been beneficial to any team that has one, and like I said Aston had just took this team over what 2 or 3 years ago and they have had to build up their team and cars around them, it takes time to get the partnerships, and to design your car to work with every aspect of a race and win. I think over the next few years the top teams will be red bull, McLaren Ferrari Mercedes and I think Aston will start competing with these teams over the next few years.

[@irmaobarbado]

Rocket Powered Mohawk SCREAMS about Lance Stroll since the 2022 season; and his latest video perfectly sums up what a reasonable racing fan should think about Vitch Tits this season.

[@TheAsyraf007]

Even stroll can’t deny he’s the one causing aston martin to lose position in the constructor championship

[@TaralgaBushAdventure]

The performance and result drop-off is not "bad" - it just is what it is, and highlights the competitiveness of the series overall, with other teams development waxing and waning as well. It would help the team if Alonso had the support of another driver on the track, rather than fighting it alone against other dual driver teams. They can make strategic moves whereas he can't, and he is the best strategic driver out there.

[@emmanuelsengo684]

If I were Lawrence Stroll, I would have sacked Lance for 2024 with Alex Palou for the second Aston seat; Stroll's average performances are hindering their chances of securing second place in the constructors championship. and for a guy who has seven years experience, he should know better.

[@junyutan2172]

Imagine how much better they wouldve been doing if not for stroll. Literally fighting with one car in singapore and might as well have been the rest of the season

[@OhnoesFroz]

Even with McLaren's miracle turnaround, Aston Martin would've been fine for 4th (and maybe even fighting for higher) if their second driver wasn't Lance Stroll. Like, it was fine while he's still developing but it seems like he's reached the peak of his ability for a couple years now. Dude's had a solid run as an F1 driver, I'm not gonna disrespect what he's accomplished, but yeah. Keeping him now means accepting that the results you're seeing now are the best you're going to get out of him.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Stroll put in better results with a broken hand, or as a 18yo rookie jumping in from F3. Aston Martin have just developed the car to suit Alonso which is why Stroll is massively struggling. The same reason why Kimi, Massa, Vandoorne and Button struggled. With Redbull you can see that with Perez but Redbull is a fast car, AM however just made their car undriveable. If they put a little oversteer in, Stroll would be performing better.

[@JustDesserts-ht6ih]

I'm praying to the F1 gods that Alonso gets poached to replace Pérez at Red Bull, can you imagine how spicy it would get between him and Max, it would be truly amazing to watch those guys race each other in the same equipment.

[@quentinhirschfeld9382]

Max would crush Fernando with that RB. Car's front end is very steady and the rear unpredictable on corner entry, Alonso doesn't like that.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Redbull would stop being a competitive team and slip to the midfield if they ever listened to Alonso’s development feedback. If they don’t then Max would destroy him with that oversteery car.

[@bernardoberner4]

Imagine the frustation of working for Aston and knowing the team should be higher on the points standings, but isn't because your boss is an A-hole who owns the team just so his incompetent son can have a seat

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

As an Aston Martin fan, saw this coming a mile away. Nothing that we have done suggests we are ready to be a top team at any point If Red Bull didn’t exist, we would have thrown away a legitimate championship challenge to Mercedes The fact that we could actually finish *5th* this season is nothing short of an embarrassment Sack the fuck out of Stroll, his time has come, this is his worst season in F1 by far. The fact that he could actually find a way to finish outside the top 10 in THAT is ridiculous Sign a young driver with potential (like McLaren did with Norris/Piastri) and build around them, and build around a car concept that can be improved upon Get Stroll out of micromanaging everything and SET ACTUAL TARGETS. We still have no idea what the aim or the plan is, we were talking up competing with Mercedes and Ferrari and that was all a complete joke We are the illusion of a top team “look we can win Alonso a title” despite the fact neither party is even close to doing that, Max/Hamilton/even Ferrari would crush us in a straight fight What hurts is seeing McLaren, who were miles behind at the start of the year, do everything I’ve been begging AM to do, and now they have legitimately replaced AM as consistent podium threat Also, when Honda come in, don’t give them any power picking drivers, I’m so sick of seeing the driver lineup affected by outside politics rather for the good of the team. It’s been 5 years of this ffs

[@justinsmith4562]

Don’t be so sooky.

[@mmwosu]

If they drop a place in the championship it will squarely be on Stroll I’m afraid. He’s been completely unproductive from his seat, while other teams are scoring with both drivers behind them

[@Loki-sk7bi]

The Vettel lead development effect is gone and Alonso effect kicking in. Dude can’t help his team make a faster car.

[@manasatatikonda]

Then what happened to AMR21. Racing point 4th in 2020 when Vettel joined dropped to 7th, in 2022 even worse. What vettel helped here??huh Stroll & Vettel are almost same in last 2 years. Where Alonso almost destroyed with same car lol.

[@Loki-sk7bi]

@@manasatatikonda Stroll never had to fight for his seat in his entire career and he’s now bored with his venture F1. He already drove next to the 4 times champion. Doubt he’s excited to fight Alonso. He’s got other things in mind now and he’s driving especially bad this year.

[@manasatatikonda]

@@Loki-sk7bi Ngl have a point.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

@@manasatatikondaAston Martin chose completely the wrong concept in 2022. That has nothing to do with Vettel. But they rebounded throughout the season and Mike Krack himself credited it to Vettel. Now they don’t even know if their upgrades are in the right direction because of Alonso. Vettel at the end of 2022 was getting the same results as Alonso is right now. 😂

[@manasatatikonda]

@@paperplane-db8qf I absolutely agree with you. Development evolution of Vettel on car is absolutely high after Schumi ngl. He is so clever inspecting car evaluation. But every drivers has own strength & weekness. The way Alonso adapted the cars irrespective of conditions is literally insane which so much better than Vettel.(this too said by Mike Krack to skysport). Thats why there is no huge gap between Vettel & Stroll last 2 years. But Alonso almost destroyed him even with Bad car since Silverstone. He is only one who had 100 percent Q3 apperence irrespective of car.

[@daniel.4k146]

You can't develop a car if you wreck it every race, especially with the cost cap

[@diesel-technology5507]

Personally I think they've just been concentrating on next year's car for ages and are doubling down using this year's and next year's allowance to make it as good as possible. Also being lower this year in the constructors means you have more for next year (wind tunnel and CFD) so it makes perfect sense if you know you won't beat red bull this year

[@manasatatikonda]

Every team do that mate. Even 2023 & 2024 have same regulations.

[@ChuyR.]

I am actually surprised The Race made a video about AM and not a video about Checo Perez and his relative lack of performance, the internet is full of that content right now.

[@jkliao6486]

Alonso: we won't have much wind tunnel time next season The whole AMR team bar him: oh we don't think so

[@SilverScarletSpider]

seeing how aston martin and mclaren have catapulted themselves up from p14 and p20 to p2 finishes behind max’s red bull is amazing. and it makes me scared for a similarly powerful mercedes boost once they sort their development

[@yahyarajaee5883]

It's funny that at 5:01 there's only one Aston Martin car next to both McLaren's

[@maximiliannguyen1162]

now they're both out of Q1 in Austin.😭

[@strongkid93]

3:46 How did you guys pick the "Dry Single-lap pace" times? Did you just pick a random time from the race and compare it to another different race time? Did you pick the slowest time or the fastest time during the race for each team? The graph is not informative at all.

[@gsixuwlj]

9:05 The “undriveable” radio message was actually legit. After the race the car was found to have significant suspension damage since lap 2. So it wasn’t that Alonso was criticizing the team, it was that the car was - in fact - undriveable. At least not up to its normal performance capacity.

[@givemeabreak8784]

It's a one man team. Simple as that.

[@MA-ys7sl]

I think they underperforming is because Lance is not performing well, so what’s the point improving the car since his son is struggling, Alonso is just the second driver.

[@pedrom1619]

Without Vettel feedback AM cannot develop the car as it did last year!

[@14rs2]

I wonder how much of their downward spiral is because of the engineers developing the car in a way to help Lance and what he wants to be driving rather than creating the fastest car?

[@stephen01king]

I really really doubt that.

[@wiegraf9009]

Extremely unlikely

[@paperplane-db8qf]

It’s not that they’re developing the car to suit Lance. They’re developing it to suit Alonso. That’s why the gap between the drivers have increased and why there’s a downward spiral.

[@cian69]

Shock horror only having 1 driver who is competitive means the team doesn’t win

[@littletweeter1327]

this video couldve just been 5 seconds of text that just say 'Lance'

[@imranmohsin9545]

Awesome video guys... Could you make a new Series where you explain weekly about all teams timings and intresting race and qualy lap data that can give us some insights on the performance comparing each team for that weekend ... This video does that but would be awesome if its a weekly thing for all teams combined Thanks for the content keep it going 👍

[@RoysIdea]

I wonder if AM is developing their car to more fit Lance … but isn’t succeeding

[@edubvb5193]

Problem is they aren't good in high speed tracks, which sucks because gaining top speed is probably harder than improving an already good aero package. I want to trust their process, but I fear they might stay stagnant in 2024.

[@GT_FREAK]

What happened to stroll ? Seriously, he was much better in 2022 compared to now.

He was better with a broken wrist too at the beginning of the season.

[@bullymaguire14]

Pressure from teammate media and sometimes his poor driving (horrible) sometimes amr fked up his races like 4 times.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

He was much better was a 18yo rookie from F3 compared to now. It’s because the car has been developed to suit Alonso. Massa, Kimi, Vandoorne, Button all had the same problems.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

i like this video’s conversation topic a lot. please do a video on alfa romeo’s pitiful performance and haas tyre degradation

[@Yetabronz]

⁠Lance ain’t going nowhere, get that through your thick skulls, he is the reason there is an aston martin team. Getting that out of the way is they got outdeveloped because they don’t understand what they built and they clearly need development time for next year, so in the end it’s a good thing that Lance isn’t performing. They don’t need a few more millions in prize money, they got plenty of that.

[@OldSkoolCarpMan]

Yeah their development hasn't been as successful as other teams but...... Lance Stroll 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Does he have a legitimate CV for F1... Yes Has he failed to deliver the goods on a sufficiently regular basis.... Hell no If his father didn't own the team would he still have a seat... No Billionaires are extremely driven people and often require a ruthless streak to get where they are. I can't imagine how tense their family time might be!

[@MatthewLee8383]

Maybe Horner's comment that "It’s good to see the old car going so well!" might not be far off the mark. Purhaps that's why meaningful development has stalled.

[@magicjack4076]

It seems like the Aston has developed a fundamental design flaw into the car or they’ve peaked on development and gone the wrong way

[@spear-_]

Stroll is the reason this team is handicapped so much. They'd me soo much higher had they had a driver able to just score points consecutively

[@BoxyMan28]

I can't even believe Stroll has fans, I've always said he doesn't belong in this sport.

[@whassupg89]

Imagine telling people in April or May that this topic would be a thing

[@notfrom63rdmilsim]

Could it be that their hyper focused for next season ?

[@BigMacMick]

If Stroll snr was serious about AM he would have got rid of Stroll jnr a while ago, it sucks to see what could be a higher positioned team lose out because of 'Daddys Boy' As long as Stroll jnr drives for the team it makes it impossible for people to invest in the team, whether that be financial or emotionally as a fan

[@ncjay08]

Seems like everyone else has been working on their cars while Aston Martin has the same exact car they started the season off with. There's only three races left in the season. Just how much deeper can the development go?

[@stephenwouw8624]

Again! Not taken into consideration the possibility that teams are incentivised to underperform especially if they’re working on something. They realise they won’t beat RBR, so why perform and finish higher up the ranking and be punished for your performance which inhibits your ability to work with more resources on your next car? I’m not saying it’s the only reason but it absolutely can be a factor the race casually ignores since the budget cap rulings.

[@malteforsingdal7873]

Where do you find the statistics you use in your video?

[@SixJayy]

I really think it's mainly because of their design strategy. They have been taking other teams' concepts for years now, even going back into the Racing Point/Force India days. When you 'copy' a concept from a different team, you will not be able to understand the concept at its base as well as the team you took it from. AM took the Red Bull concept and went with it. They have to get credit for the job they've done because they came out with a very solid car (2nd fastest at the start of the season), but you can clearly see that they do not know how to develop this car effectively. They have the means to do it, but they'll never beat Red Bull this way. They might beat everyone else, but they will never be 1st. I hope they change their methods, because they have a lot of great stuff in place and I like the team. Also, Lance Stroll. That is definitely not helping. Lawrence Stroll has to put his money where his mouth is (we want to become World Champion, whatever it takes), and fire Lance. This is just never gonna work out. Lance does not have what it takes.

[@SixJayy]

@aimanazrie8944 completely agree. But with their ambitions we should be comparing them to Red Bull and Mercedes, not Haas and Alpha Tauri

[@wiegraf9009]

McLaren copied RBR but they did it better and they happened to have a suspension configuration that helped them with doing so.

[@magicjack4076]

@@wiegraf9009the difference between Mclaren and Aston is Mclaren seem to have a very good idea of how to improve there car. Every single upgrade has made it better whereas a lot of astons doesn’t work. It also help Mclaren originally started with the same suspension setup as redbull so they may have a easier time copying redbull as well as they have a pretty good grasp of what they can do themselves to make the car better

[@GrandPrixGal]

Great video. Can you point me in the direction for licensing of this material. Thank you~

[@Jt7166]

Drop off kinda feels similar to Ferrari last season. Strange.

[@manasatatikonda]

Exactly. Pretty like Ferrari 2022. But Ferrari has strong 2 good drivers helped to defence from Merc. In 2022 ngl only Ferrari & Merc are in top tire along with RB to fight. Where other teams including Mclaren absolutely midfield teams. But this time nearly 4 teams fighting for 2nd position. Which making Us to feel a like huge downfall.

[@mrisa4682]

Typical Pink Mercedes fashion , copy a title winning car but they don’t know how to upgrade it and it falls back dramatically

[@ignatiusng1843]

I think the problem is they have brought upgrades but they have not work

[@carlmuno]

Budget cap, probably they have been policed by F1, so no new parts for 2023 car; the season now are long, and burn your budget at beginning has a big implication in the overall season. Beside Lancy’s underperforming because by now they should be P2 in the constructors championship by a large margin, and reality is probably they will end P5

[@Lastname6955]

Imagine after all that at the start of the year they get beaten by McLaren again

[@sleepypixie8828]

Yeah, this team lost p3 to mclaren in 2020 majorly due to stroll underperforming again....even perez congratulated mclaren after abu dhabi saying that it shows the importance of having 2 good drivers where tracing point only had perez scoring most of the points

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Easily. McLaren have better drivers, better leaders, better development, better targets, and just better at everything than AM right now They are what we should be looking at as the blueprint to move forward in this sport

[@DanielBeadle-t2k]

For me they got the pace from the early red bull copycat concept. But their lack of development place and effectiveness that's plagued them under Lawrence strolls ownership. They had similar issues as force India. So for me their structure must be looked at as its clear they are still ill equipped to fight the big names especial without a factory pu.

[@bigbronx]

Regarding the difference between Alonso and Stroll: all we know is there is a big gap. Would the gap be the same if they replaced Stroll with someone else? Don't know, but maybe Stroll isn't as bad as most commenters think. Alonso has a track record of being really strong compared to the second driver of the team, so I would not be as quick to judge Stroll. And yes, we know he is there because he is the son of. But still, don't underestimate Alonso. Just because he is much faster doesn't mean Stroll is a bad driver. Look what happened to Verstappen when they messed up the setup of the car. Maybe the Aston Martin is that difficult to drive...

[@ImtiyazBeary]

Waiting to see a whole episode on Aston Martin in the new season of Drive To Survive.

[@manasatatikonda]

Me to 😂 AMR & Netflix already bought copyright to have one episode on AMR

[@blademan7671]

Agree with all the Lancelot comments. But Lance is an advantage: with only Fernando scoring points, Aston will be much lower in constructors ranking, which will help with aero and CFD time.

[@wiegraf9009]

If you look at what RBR has done this year it seems there are ways to develop the car with a minimum of both. Somehow they've just kept bringing killer upgrades despite all the restrictions.

[@manasatatikonda]

@@wiegraf9009why you are comparing Redbull with AMR 😭😭😭😭😭 Even Merc & Ferrari not even close to them. Then how you can expect from AMR lol

[@cristineagu6920]

Alonso is literally carrying Aston Martin through championship at this stage. It's the only team with a single driver. Looks like the second driver is on vacation, and at this rate the next season will only be worse.

[@midnightq69]

I’d say Williams has a single driver carrying the team as well.

[@cristineagu6920]

@@midnightq69 Albon carries Williams through championship and Sargeant carries Williams through walls. So Sargeant is a bit more active than Stroll.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

He’s only carrying Aston Martin because the car has been developed to suit his crappy feedback. Every single driver would struggle in that car because it’s developed to be crappy. Alonso can’t live with oversteer. Put him in Perez’s Redbull and he’d look like Stroll is looking now.

[@midnightq69]

@@paperplane-db8qf lmao you’re dumb af my g. Been watching since 94 and Alonso would be a god in that RB.

[@cristineagu6920]

@@paperplane-db8qf you look a bit frustrated by something so I'll let you talk to yourself.

[@lukes3dworks533]

To put Strolls performance under the spot light here's a terrible stat. Alonso has 174 points after 16 races, Stroll has 47, just over a quarter... Stroll has only managed to get roughly 21 of those 47 points in the last 13 races...

[@lancealvarez1009]

Tbh I knew from the start aston could not hold on to that performance from start of the season. Aston facilities are not done yet and also theyre 7th place finish may have also played a role in that development. They also took inspiration from red bull car and so when their floor got leaked in monaco, that resulted in the other teams like mclaren, ferrari and alpine catching up.

[@Pacify]

I’m low key worried that after the start of the year and because of how bad stroll is Daddy stroll might actually be trying to pull out of Aston Martin and potentially just get out of the sport and not deal with his son being absolutely destroyed anymore as he’s seen it’s not worth it anymore.

[@andyvasist418]

I love how each syllable of the first name needs to be emphasised when saying “Mike Krack” 😂😂

[@SasquatchFab]

The only way Aston Martin can seriously fight for a championship is if they get rid of daddy’s boy Lance so they have two drivers that are actually getting points consistently. Until they get rid of him they will never be able to actually fight for a championship.

[@cbrdealer]

They need to drop the mouth breather. Daddy needs to wake up and realize his son isn't good enough and dragging the team down significantly. He has to be hurting development too.

[@StrandsOfFate]

They'd have a much better constructor championship standing if they had 2 drivers that were scoring points

[@ryancuda45]

its not that they fallen off form, its just that the others caught up and aston hasn't found a magic upgrade YET

[@rahulkarmakar5183]

Funny how this channel was sponsored by Aramco but only to part away after some backlash but still goes to saudi gp,😂😂😂

[@swordsman1137]

I'm not sure if McLaren is 2nd fastest car. I think it's joint 2nd fastest with Ferrari. Unless we separating one lap pace with race pace.

[@crescentworks6855]

That was a thoroughly weird Qatar GP ad placement...

[@ACR_BOX]

It is (IMO) an incredible thing what Lawrence Stroll has done for his son. The dedication and the length willing to go to help his son live his dream life is unbelievable. That said, there is a limiting factor what can be achieved and i think we can see that limit. Sooner or later other parties involved and/or invested are gonna raise that question. Lance needs to step up (If he can...) Or step down... (IMO) this is only a matter time. But for a dad, not an easy decision considering what he already has done to help Lance the way he did. At one point Lawrence will be forced to make that choice unless Lance makes that choice for him. The longer it takes the more difficult the situation becomes and the potential damage that goes with it (Moral/trust/investors) Time will tell what it will be

[@IshoGT]

Yea yea yea... we all knew they'd get outdeveloped as the season go, but dont conveniently skip the BIGGEST problem with Aston Martin.