This is a problem with music production youtube

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[@Bthelick]

I got an output ad on yours start, and a unison ad on the end lol. The worst two 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. I wish we could ban companies for running ads on our channels

[@aelius_audio]

Unison is like that ex u just can’t get rid of

[@stereokuuji]

Idk, I haven't got a unison ad in three months....... that's a record

[@donnydarko7624]

I got an output ad at the end.

[@lalolanda2239]

ublock on pc, yt revanced on android

[@shaverred1030]

hey kid wanna buy a C minor chord - Unison probably

[@SuperLinuxAudioGuru]

This was the best AD for Output Arcade so far , technically you did everything correctly as stated in their campaign manifesto :)

[@konstantinos777]

Never in our history have we had so many advertisers. Every youtuber is an expert salesman these days, it's a whole army of trading puppets.

[@Beatsbasteln]

i'm definitely bad at managing finances :3

[@JasonGillmanJr]

Not just an NFR, but a fucking time limited NFR

[@Music-tg5is]

For just 1 year 🤣

[@TOMAvatars]

Haha that's absurd!!!

[@uncoiledfish2561]

Andrew Huang comes to mind. He's an advertiser posing as a musician.

[@CalTN]

"Moog Labyrinth is the best thing released in 5 years"

[@TheTL415]

Some might even say he's a... "plant"?

[@WillyJunior]

I've always found his vibe a bit off

[@jaderington]

I think he's quite talented

[@gutterg0d]

Andrew Huang, like every other large KZbinr, is a content creator first. They have to be, or they won't have a channel with millions of subscribers (unless they already have a massive audience when they start, meaning Taylor Swift could pull it off for sure). Sometimes if we're lucky they are musicians second rather than marketers.

[@WrathOfWood]

lets see what happens when I try paying for rent and groceries with NFRs

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Absolute trash and NOT uncommon. I get a couple of these each week. All marked as spam and ignored.

[@jamesjames77777]

The problem is that certain “producers” become role models for many, but they’re not really producers, they’re KZbinrs. I recently asked a head of A&R in Nashville about a very large “Nashville producer” on KZbin. This person has literally never heard of the guy. I then looked up his credits and they’re non existent. So people are learning from a fraud essentially - or at least someone who should be learning from producers who actually work in the industry.

[@Hidd3nAudio]

I seriously despite those ads with some magic software of any kind saying IT'S GONNA COMPLETELY TRANSFORM MY WORKFLOW AND ILL GET TO NEXT LEVELS OF CREATIVITY, is it fuck!

[@Drfresh1402]

Output is a trash company. I have absolutely no trust for them.

[@danderson8463]

Gave you a like. That's non transferable, without prejudice, i expect you to wash my dishes for a week, then make a vague and unlikely promise about the future of your eyebrows

[@noisebrick9248]

Yea KZbin has become the commercial TV channel from the 90's/early 2000's which tried to sell you knives or towels, but less entertaining than chef tony or the shamwow guy

[@squiffyduck4931]

Output did me dirty

[@qtrax100]

never used them and never will

[@OnlyDaFunk4444]

How?? Please Explain

[@daccrowell4776]

Best way of dealing with this sort of thing: post your rules for product reviews on your YT profile. That way, you're stating right up front that you need X, Y, Z things in order to do a review, without any ambiguity. It might also help...although it sounds draconian...to also state that attempting to subvert your review policies will result in said company getting "blacklisted" and you won't do any further work with them should that happen. Then also post that right alongside your requirements. Yes, you'll lose potential advertisers. But they'll invariably be the ones you don't want to deal with anyway.

[@shaferproducergod]

You guys dont got arcade? You GOTTA get arcade

[@Music-tg5is]

We really don't GOTTA

[@colinrussell2017]

Weaver's beard game is on point here. Good look.👍

[@Dystopian84]

Venus theory does it for almost ALL the brands , weird to see something,g like that coming from him

[@zmmmzmmmz]

He seems pretty transparent and open about it.

[@Dystopian84]

@@zmmmzmmmz did he publish the guidelines he received from other brands like UVI ?

[@radiofloyd2359]

​@@Dystopian84Afaik, once you accept a contract, you're under an NDA to not disclose the guidelines of the contract. Corporations do this to avoid generating expectations from their contractors. Even niche businesses are ultimately still businesses, so they will do everything they can to nickel and dime.

[@Dystopian84]

@@radiofloyd2359 So maybe he found with output the only company he doesn't have a contract with

[@Music-tg5is]

I think he just got offended by being told exactly what to say in the "Must Haves" section.

[@binchsoda]

I like pringles

[@stoatystoat174]

shill

[@binchsoda]

@@stoatystoat174 i assure u i wasnt paid I just got a free packj of pringles, no money changed hands and all my opinions are my own

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Turtles are better

[@Turtlpwr]

I just want my midi chord pack sponsorship

[@TheTL415]

I got an ad for Andrew Huang at end of this video. Not for any of Andrew's plugins, but just for Andrew Huang, like if you want to purchase Andrew Huang.

[@lewdacario]

they want to sublimely advert and turn u in to a mindless drone for pr and the glossary tells u that u have to u their jargon into the videos

[@COLOSSAL.E]

you're trying to do the same thing with your jargon - it's subliminally, not sublimely. not defending bad advertising ofc but words can be used properly if we try

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

i literally can't stand most of the bigger music production channels now.. it's all very scammy feeling to me , they all just tryign to sell me stuff. you one of the only real ones. i hope your channel growth never slows down

[@LxkiBeats]

I just hate the fact that my beats have ads in them, i'm not even monetized wtf, how am i supposed to grow and build a community if there are ads already, i dont even make a penny so i cant invest the time they spent watching the ads into the channel, straight up bs

[@drakonyanazkar]

This is venues paying musicians in drinks. We're just playing for free and helping them get rid of stock while at the same time serving all our customer base for them on a platter.

[@oldmenwithnewguns5997]

You should do an unsponsored review video and use the script with the exactly opposite.

[@brianbrill]

Remember kids, never put out for output.

[@robotriddims]

getting ads for Arcade on this is

[@tweatification]

This started in our community with Pensado and Landr. We were right to be distrusting of the trend. Like yay someone is getting money but its making the end user experience terrible and destroys the credibility of the creator because it becomes very obvious that the product they were just advocating for is absolute trash.

[@miner4ever]

went in Output to get Portal because i like it, and never touch them again.

[@laddcolton8142]

Don’t see the reason in trolling Venus theory while using a post of his. Especially when you agree with him. At least you’re honest about being a professional hater 😅

[@dc9662]

Is the company saying that the ad that content creators will be doing for them isn't actually an ad, or are they directing content creators to not disclose to the audience that this ad is an ad? Because I believe that both of those are violating the YT TOS, and (I believe) against the law according to the FTC. I'm not a lawyer, and that was not legal advice, btw.

[@NeonDream81]

I literally got an Arcade ad while watching this video.

[@swandaley]

This is why I don't do brand partnerships anymore. Too many stipulation for little-to-no pay, and it kills the essence of enjoying social media content.

[@tristen_grant]

Your channel only has 5 videos.

[@ConceptOfGod]

Yup, dystopian product. Desperate to sound good. I’m not supporting these companies anytime soon.

[@busyworksbeats]

I’ve seen the backend stats, and if a KZbinr creates $21,000 in revenue from 3 videos, OF COURSE the creators deserve at least 30% commission. ($7,000) @ ~$2,300 per video. Anything less is complete robbery and theft from the producer community.

[@OhWowTre]

The producer community needs to form a union at this point. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@qtrax100]

welcome to modern slavery

[@prodby.B-t6w]

hi bwb

[@jshstuff]

bwb moment

[@nilespeshay1734]

I agree with you and I don't disagree with anything said BUT...I can't "take advantage of you" with a deal that you don't accept. All I can do, with that offered deal, is insult you... and/or your intelligence. The main problem I have with this "ask" that Output is making is, "This is not an ad" and "say that it's your go to for inspiration". The first is a lie and the second is, basically, asking ppl to lie.

[@guyangelo9875]

Wow. Life really is just a constant decision to bend over or not bend over.

[@jenstornell]

The SumnSumnSumnHTK video is really good on this topic as well. Also a female music attornay youtuber has covered it.

[@whuddyadoin]

Bro i hate ads. Today I clicked on a Fantano review for the recent Schoolboy Q album on my phone and a gambling ad played

[@JoshuaNeedham]

A someone who is looking to get into streaming these are the kinds of videos that sheds light on the darker side of having a business that involves ads online.

[@AurumNoise]

I Fckn hate arcade commercials.

[@tamvosper7388]

Thing I most love about audio software companies pushing their products, is that if they are effective, I may just pirate what they're peddling later that week.

[@kaydevious]

"We'd like you to run integrated ads for us." "No thanks. I'd rather work with R2R against you." 😏

[@qtrax100]

1:36 Did I hear that correctly?

[@bounzig]

Yes

[@ZenithoraMusic]

Weaver most creative video title challenge

[@steveintentionallyleftblan3398]

Fukkin' subbed.

[@victorheras5882]

lol I saw an ad for output arcade before this video started

[@Projektor_music]

I instantly thought this was about unison audio... but yeah output seems to make the same trash ads...

[@qtrax100]

Thanks for the enlightenment with entertainment.

[@johnnymidnight2982]

You damn kids! (Brought to you by Carl's Jr. and Output Arcade).

[@D-One]

Someone needs to make a troll naked review while drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes just for fun... I am counting on you Weaver.

[@-303-]

What’s a “lude” act?

[@tristen_grant]

Only a NFR for 1 year? Should be life time.

[@Gorgo-22056]

Big props to sadboy V though.

[@Amor-Gabriel-Rodriguez]

There is something about output that doesn’t sit right with me that’s why I always say away from their plugins

[@KordTaylor]

Ok. I get this. It’s sad. I have worked lots with “influencers” but the relationship is not this. Yes. I have swapped NFRs (not with limited amt of time) but that’s just because yeah, sometime software companies don’t have $ either so we use what we have. Usually offer giveaways to the community and don’t try and script stuff as that’s just yikes. This is all corporate %^*+. For my relationships it’s like music nerd to music nerd friendship vs. the whole market plan blah crap here. But yeah, guess this is the way it’s gone for some. 😢

[@TheNightquaker]

The music production youtube situation is insane

[@vxnyl]

Why didnt he just go "no, give me money instead" you can negotiate with them. Or maybe thats what he did and they said nah and he said fuck y'all. That offer is hilarious, 120$ to gain access to his ~400k ish subscriber base

[@radiofloyd2359]

Because Venus Theory *can* negotiate, but other smaller creators can't really, and it is simply an objectively bad contract.

[@vxnyl]

@@radiofloyd2359 I think you replied to the wrong comment

[@radiofloyd2359]

@@vxnyl I did, fuck

[@blazeluminati]

got an output ad in your vid lmao

[@RJEnriquez]

I got an output add on this video. lol

[@granturismo6421]

4 MIN BOYS! Shout out Weaver !

[@CityboyDidThis]

Weaver the goat 😤

[@TazzSmk]

for me as a viewer it's very simple: I see an Ad = I never buy that thing in my life

[@HITMAN1er]

Lmao Output add came on.

[@Nebvla]

Thank god I have revanced

[@nowondr]

I really like output's plugins tbh, but since they released Arcade and that's become a cashcow for them it seems to be all they care about anymore.

[@FXWLL]

I think I see the issue but as a small creator myself it seems a bit risky for the brand to throw a chunk of change my way given that my channel is only 2K on YT. I normally get £50 - £150 per sponsored video plus NFR copy, but that is with my TT at 100K followers and the videos are short form (still a lot of work). I also do a lot of emailing to bring in deals. Maybe Im crazy but I didnt expect to be paid the big bucks at the start. I expected to work for free or minimal money as I build my rep and show I can bring value. Dont get me wrong I think some of the requirements in that contract seem a bit strict but its up to the creator to say yes. I still feel like for the most part its ok to do a sponsorship for free (NFR) as long as its all above board and both parties know whats involved. Am I misunderstanding something?

[@CapturelightMusic]

blud no way i got an output ad when you said ad☠️

[@Music-tg5is]

YT trolling at this point.

[@MarcoRaaphorst]

Free muppets 2.0

[@thorstenebers2862]

selling your soul for a plugin , so crappy

[@tijnwillems9750]

I fr got an arcade ad for this video...

[@EmilyDaw5on]

GOTTA LOVE CAPITALISM 👀🙄💀💁‍♀️

[@Shkodo]

Output has awesome stuff thermal is 10/10

[@martinaatmusicmarcom6157]

yikes. that's why I don't do contracts 😇

[@Drfresh1402]

I want nothing to do with Arcade.

[@bounzig]

There is a solution to this....R2R

[@danderson8463]

I'm not sure how desperate I'd have to be to work for someone without them sending me cold hard cash. That's how work works 🤷🏻

[@Harrysound]

I have to admit when I actually want to find a demo or learn about something I’m thinking about buying I do get frustrated at the amount of biased sponsored videos.

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

I'll press the like button, if you pronounce the T in software :P

[@victordanielgalindo]

I want a one year NFR of weaver beats

[@alyxgonzales]

I'll get paid in software, but a one year license is a complete joke

[@Fl4ppers]

Ha, tiny YTer Got Gear, Mate (actual username) got his channel locked when he criticized some music tech. Gotta love these tech companies. This is broad across every type of music, not just Trap beats and electronic.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

I don't know why I thought Unison first, however Output Arcade adds are a bit cheesy however most of there adds are fine, I think Sieds did a good vid for them.

[@Mega.6]

That ending was abrupt lacking resolution.

[@XC-Fly]

"You have a problem! You need x-years of experience to fix it!....or....you fix it just in few hours with our brandnew Masterclass! Your choice!.."🤢🤢🤮🤷‍♂

[@fromhillrecords]

It's not exactly free marketing, the NFR license is worth something. You describe a 'problem' with any non-tangible software product; the supply is infinite.

[@officialkidwizard]

"This is an obnoxious click bait way to title videos"

[@NTMTR_OFFICIAL]

That’s because KZbinrs have no choice: behind the scenes they are literally being forced at gun point by the algorithm to use negatively phrased clickbait titles as they are about to upload their videos, the algorithm is actually there, right behind them with a gun, or so they say… What they don’t get though or pretend not to , or just ignore, is that every choice they make using clickbait reinforces that aspect of the algorithm. They are essentially helping the algorithm to hold them at gun point while simultaneously gesturing their inability to do anything about it. The algorithm knows that human nature will eventually give in to being driven by subscriber increase rate and views.

[@stevensmith1788]

Their ads cost them nothing and it costs me nothing also when I use a cracked copy 😂

[@Tejaneaux-ic8dp]

Its like 1.06 or 1.10 depending on bids of the ad. But theyre videos are so long it makes you wanna skip it. But those who tune in is when they pay for it.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

- brags about stealing - brags about stealing Pick both, yfcs

[@Freedom4Ever420]

The most reputable and honest sponsor is Established Titles. I’m a real Lord!! 2nd place is the greatest video game in all history: RAID Shadow Legends

[@Emily_M81]

I hesitated to be like 809, because 808.

[@bob_the_lobster]

Did someone edit this video at all?

[@petertarrant937]

I think they mean "lewd" acts. Or maybe something to do with qualudes?

[@dreamulator]

E X P O S E D

[@biomechanism1]

Make sure to never use their product, check

[@tubedLeVeNdiS]

What are "lude acts"?

[@donnydarko7624]

If you think the plugin and synth companies are bad, you should look into the PC hardware companies. How they treat pc hardware youtube review channels

[@Dawless1]

0:28 Of course you don't have a problem with ads , that's how you make money. 😂 musicians eventually find out it's not their music that gets the views it's talking about music such as we always see here and on Rick beato Channel. We never watch or listen to any of your music you ever realized that?😂😂

[@zmmmzmmmz]

Are they banning obscene acts or the use of methaqualone when they ban "lude acts"? Did they use AI or fiverr for that quality contract?

[@oupahens9219]

Never heard of them. What is an arcade anyway.

[@arnolenke]

Is it me, or do ALL the KZbinrs tell you to buy ALL the plugins? you don't even need the plugin most of the time