Webisode 28: Unseen Jay-Z & Kanye West Convos | Dead End Hip Hop

Watch The Throne dropped this week. Why not show you all our conversations had in between shoots about Jay-Z and Kanye West as preparation for the Dead End Hip Hop Watch The Throne album review! This should prepare you for what's coming.
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[@2XcrazymanX2]

I would love for you guys to come back to some of these questions as like a bring back episode haha. Would be dope.

[@mykectown]

@KingARSENAL14 I give him his props when they're due. I've said on multiple occasions that I DO like Reasonable Doubt. The question was are there lines on there that are comparable with Biggie. My feeling was no. I'm not off at all. It's my personal opinion. I'm not telling anyone they're not allowed to like Jay-Z. Me and the guys have had discussions like this before. Jay fans really get offended if you don't like him. And I just don't get why. Like...who cares? Anyway, thanks for the comment!

[@Themook0w]

Jay better than biggie????? REALLY???? NOT EVEN. Im with c-town.

[@mykectown]

@TheWorldIsYours4Life Haha! I like the way you put that. Even though I could do without your number 4, I'm with you.

[@jayraudi]

i agree with C-town that Kanye, in the past year or 2, has had better verses than Jigga.

[@xMindInfliction718x]

"thats like saying spud webb is as tall as manute bol" lmaoooo ctown is a boss lol

[@danaiduma]

Feeling you guys, I don't get why Jay is considered so good still

[@seankelly4594]

Because he's the goat

[@kennithbinge]

@LidlFisken I'll like a good metal album. Once every quarter. Fits my schedule. Haha. Thanks for watching! We really appreciate it. I wish we could control our "intensity" but it's so unscripted and @beezy430 just says some crazy outlandish things sometimes. We have to go in.

[@mykectown]

@ptitcka Holy shit! I just laughed so fuckin hard I choked on my dinner! Fucking classic!

[@kennithbinge]

@JusticeOfLife Thanks homie. That's much appreciated.

[@kennithbinge]

@meazy757 Yes. Jay-Z was a sidekick. I agree. As a matter of fact, if Big didn't put Jay on some of his songs, he would not have had the exposure he had. He took advantage of that situation though no doubt. Very good point made. People don't know that Jay-Z was just trying to find a way in the game and it opened wide for him. I'll take it even further, if he didn't have that "Annie" song, we would not have a Jay-Z. That was his commercial song that blew him up.

[@mykectown]

@encdee And see...when I say shit like this I get called a pretentious backpacker. Whatever. But for the record, I agree with you.

[@TeTnEEk]

@deadendhiphop im ready for the success is certain review!

[@redblocks989]

"I'd push you off this damn porch" lmfao

[@mykectown]

@TheSWS3 The yuck face! Hahha! I actually got cursed out by a stripper once for making that damn face when she came on stage. I really have no control over it.

[@Bangaz22]

Saying Jay-Z is not at least one of the greatest is like saying the Lakers are not one of the greatest teams of all time. Or the Yankees aren't the greatest baseball team. It's just because he's so big, people feel the need to completely disregard Jay's amazing discography. Put it like this, Myke's fav rapper probably would say he was wrong saying Jay's not on of the greatest. I do think Kanye is surpassing Jay right now. But Jay is a monster. Straight up.

[@jokamund]

Thank you Myke, I never understood the crazy ass praise people gave to Jay Z he's not wack he is average to me too

[@kennithbinge]

@41hershel Depending on who you ask. Literally. Thanks for watching.

[@ADSplay101]

are you guys gonna review Jay Rock's Follow me home?

[@gallyun1]

@viberocsf Yes and American Gangster too. but those too stuck in my head the most. For me, Reasonable Doubt and American Gangster are tied.

[@classicbananamilk]

Modest Media needs to get on twitter.

[@mykectown]

Hi. My name's Myke and I don't have FUCKING BRAIDS. Thank you. Good day.

[@LidlFisken]

Hell I'm a heavy metal guy and don't even listen to hip hop, or not that much anyway. But man, I do appreciate a good conversation. Especially when people talk about something they are really passionate about, which is probebly why your conversations get a little...heated.. sometimes lol I'm ramblin' , my point here is KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! AND CALM THE FUCK DOWN xD lol

[@kennithbinge]

@ImperviousMason That was my shit! Classic Jay.

[@karan6]

I agree with Mike, Reasonable Doubt was a good album but Jay-Z is the poster child for generic dude has no personality

[@mykectown]

Ken cracks me the fuck up. No bullshit.

[@25bdizz]

there's no way you can call Jay just good if you've heard Reasonable Doubt, Vol 1, Blueprint, Black Album and American Gangster

[@kennithbinge]

@ttredraider2017 Man! We just missed the timing of those releases. They are all albums I would love to touch on at some point so MAYBE we may produce them out for some later shows for the Holiday season.

[@aleeshamorgan]

The industry will always be know for marketing sub-par MC's that's just the way it goes it's all about the dollar..and many of the people with true talent may never really be heard..

[@mykectown]

@azraeel0nubian It already happened. I'm dead. I'm typing from the afterworld. Whooooooooo..............

[@OnlyUltimatum]

Kanye already surpassed Jay..... As a artist Kanye makes million times better music period

[@FreshHeat]

I always agree with Kinge when he's in the car but otherwise it varies

[@mykectown]

@freechildgold I agree with your use of the Joe Budden line, but not in this respect. If I'm reading you wrong, I apologize, but if you're trying to imply that I'm not savvy because I don't care for Jay that presumptuous and ignorant. Not everyone HAS to like everything because the masses tell you to. I don't care for Jay-Z. Would I read his lyrics? No, I don't have to. I've heard them. They bore me. If you like him, that's cool. But I don't. That simple. Again, if I read you wrong, sorry.

[@wspeed657]

Jay was a good mc in reasonable doubt. Thats about it.

[@mistahmst]

No, he has proved himself as a great MC numerous times after Reasonable Doubt like on In My Lifetime Vol.1, Vol. 2 Hard Knock Life, The Blueprint, The Black Album, and American Gangster.

[@wspeed657]

lol

[@Saturnize7]

the car ride was filmed in the winter or you guys are in australia or some shit...

[@stevenjm12]

Human being to the mob What’s a mob to a king? What’s a king to a god? What’s a god to a non-believer? Who don’t believe in anything?

[@mykectown]

@BigMonkeyOnAStick The pimp hand almost came on, bruh! Even though everyone on the show is bigger than me, I was about to grab a brick and do em like Cube did Deebo!

[@kennithbinge]

@Rendocrine Barbeque, alcohol, and hip hop. Plus tofu for @mykectown

[@TheDabbb]

Myke C Town is one of the smartest Hip Hop debater I've ever seen.

[@TheWorldIsYours4Life]

@mykectown, what up man, who would u put 4th?, see, when I judge top 5 ever, i judge rappers who has that "it" factor, who is overall that good, and I cant think of a MC that has all of that to put at number 4 other than Jayz.(that rhymed)

[@kennithbinge]

@ImperviousMason It was raining.

[@ikedadon2642]

12:08 how Myke agreeing with Feefo that Jay is the MJ of rap but earlier in the video, he's saying Jay is an average rapper, make it make sense🤷🏾‍♂️

[@mykectown]

@2willothewisp7 Christ...I hope there's not two Skee-Los! That would be catastrophic.

[@mykectown]

Where were all you guys agreeing with me about Jay-Z when I was getting ATTACKED when I said it the first time? Haha!

[@mykectown]

@Kingemedia Hahhha!

[@kennithbinge]

@freechildgold That's why I think Jay can go toe to toe with Biggie. Big is dope but his catalog is small and his legendary status is propelled by his death. Not saying it isn't deserving because Biggie would eat a lot of mediocre emcees these days but Jay is nice, clever, and technical. He can hang with him.

[@meazy757]

Biggie had a better verse than Jay-Z on Brooklyn's Finest, Love The Dough, and Young G's...be real Reasonable Doubt wasn't this big time album in 96 and wasn't considered that special until 5 years later Jay-Z started calling it a classic. If you were a hip hop fan in 96 you know Jay-Z was sidekick status -- jsut being real

[@aleeshamorgan]

When it balls to steam, it comes to it we all fiends gotta do it, even righteous minds go through this. True this, history school us to spend our money foolish. Bond with jewelers and, watch for intruders. I stepped it up another level, meditated like a buddhist. Recruited lieutenants with ludicrous, dreams of gettin cream let's do this, against T-D-S . So I keep one eye open like, C.B.S, ya see me stressed, right? Can I live?--Jay-Z

[@moodmusik]

@deadendhiphop I don't think anyone's ready for that, lol.

[@jspears19]

Jay-Z was better than Biggie lyrically in the 90's Big had the smooth flow and hard similies. Jay might be a quite tad advanced with metaphors and double/triple entendres and wordplay can be even between the two.

[@ejazzjeff]

i definetly agree that The Black Album was Jay-Z second best album then American Gangster!

[@josephgreene4841]

I’m not even the biggest biggie fan but JAY-Z is not in the same stratosphere as biggie. JAY-Z has gotten better with 4:44 and shit but he ain’t biggie

[@chrisshavard]

@mykectown To be honest, it's probably because I pay too much attention to fashion. I think Kanye is much larger Pop Culture figure than Jay-Z, while I suppose Jay-Z is more Important in the Hip-Hop community.

[@mynameishunter12345]

to me its like people always underrate or overrate jayz. people either say he suck because of some illuminati reason. or that hes the best rapper ever. hes ok maybe a top 30 rapper. his lyrics are pretty good. and he has a few good albums like reasonable doubt the blueprint 1 and 2 and the black album but all of his other albums arent really that great. they'll have a few good songs tho. although people should give him his props for the 4 albums i mentioned.

[@kennithbinge]

@salasrcp90 I'm waiting for the drum and cymbal crash.

[@89whodatcha]

Jay-z definitely has had the best career...critically acclaimed albums, co-signed by biggie, multiple plat albums, hit singles , fucked/married beyonce, beat nas then signed him, made a lot of money, and has a lot of power in hip hop

[@aleeshamorgan]

@encdee Kool G Rap is legendary...and alot of rappers were influenced by him..that is a fact but just b/c someone likes Jay-Z does not mean that they don't have " a developed frame of referene" ( i liked how you put that by the way) It's obvious you are not a fan of Jay-Z but have you really listened to him or are you just speaking off a couple of songs you have heard? You cannot judge Jay-Z off the new music he puts out b/c he is now trying to appeal to his fanbase..which is understandable.

[@viberocsf]

@gallyun1 you wouldn't consider Reasonable Doubt one of Jay's best works either?

[@JoeyWashingtonHVC]

Jay-z >>>>>> biggie to be honest

[@nikk796]

Both are overrated imo. Gimme Andre 3000 and Nas

[@coolnesss16]

@freechildgold Yeah i can see why. I personally like 2pac over big and jay. And i have a lot of all three of their music, it's just my preference you know but i think biggie is a very close second. Even though his flow isn't up there with big and jays his lyrics hit the heart more for me. But people have different criteria for what they like out of rappers and what makes a rapper ''great'' in the end it's all opinion and preference. :)

[@picassospajamas8078]

4:44 in the buildinnnnnnn

[@encdee]

obviously the reason people think Jay is the "best" (or even good) is because they are not rigorous listeners of hip hop and don't have a developed frame of reference. thus making it possible to admire his "skill" (I guess...) Listen to Cannon Fire by Kool G Rap. He uses one syllable as the rhyme scheme of each verse. show me Js equivalent!

[@25bdizz]

I Love Biggie, but you cannot tell me anything Biggie has EVER DONE matches the complexity of tracks like D'evils, Dead Presidents, Regrets, and Can I Live

[@MrReman23]

right thats what i'm saying. does he think it was originally Proof's song? because it was Royce Da 5'9" not Proofs lol but i dont get it

[@agipson101]

back then he didnt but over the years he focus on his own ryhmes

[@bandicoot2ps1]

I think I understand what people mean, Jay is in my top 3 of all time but I could see the criticism. Most underground hip-hop heads love punchlines,Jay is not a punchline rapper. He's extremely lyrical he's just not trying to punchline you into a coma like a Canibus or Big L would. I agree with you and Myke to a degree, if I'm listening for punchlines Jay is a boring ass rapper, but when I'm listening for little clever shit Jay is that dude.

[@youngmax215]

everybody always argue that jay-z not that but if u listenin to moment of clarity he tells u why "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be Lyrically Talib Kweli Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since"... say wat u want but jay-z is in the top 5 easy

[@blackcowboymusic]

i agree with Myke on how Kanye won't reach Jay's legend status, but saying Jay's better as an artist?? really? with how Kanye's changed much of the image of hip hop creatively and how you wouldn't have a number of acts out there today without his influence on the genre, and that's not even mentioning his production/songwriting skills where i'll say Jay is only better at rapping overall.

[@bandicoot2ps1]

I agree

[@classicbananamilk]

I can see why Myke was trippin about Jav v Biggie. Those others be blaspheming!

[@Ibenmezeluuf]

underrated .. every hates them ..

[@TaffyRaphie]

RIOB brought me to TND, and now he brought me here to DEHH

[@juvinilebud]

What about success is certain?

[@chrisshavard]

I never thought I'd say this but I couldn't disagree more with Myke C-Town. There's no doubt in my mind that Kanye is greater than Jay-Z as far as fame and legendary status goes.

[@pimpboystackgetterakapimpm3016]

THANK YOU jay z couldnt even compare to em on that track

[@matthewjamal]

the problem with kinge is he is putting jay-z on the same pedistal as wack emcee's nowadays that TRY to sound like jay-z. Jay-z has not matured because he has BEEN mature. people are just biting him and trying to catch up.

[@encdee]

Jay-z doesnt even show up on my radar. Maybe if people didnt try to promote his a significant MC (what to speak of the best?!?!) I wouldnt be so gassed when the topic comes up. In all honesty, i respect people who are average rappers alot. Ones who rhyme out of love for hip hop are dope, even if they are "average". Prime example, Evidence of Dilated (no offence intended). I like dude alot, flow is average but his emcee work wholehearted and done out of love for hip hop.

[@dfjr1990]

yea of course, but i dont see it happening unless they can make some kind of move come fall/winter...but its harder for dudes like that to sell cuz fashion is big in hiphop (very gay imo, cuz niggas care more than females what dudes dress like smh) but i would def buy whatever they put out cuz that shit prolly gonna be hard as fuck

[@Bangaz22]

btw, if you seriously think Jay built his career off stealing Biggie's lines, you are not being serious. Every rapper if you look in their discographys has borrowed rhymes from other rappers. But because we're talking about Jay-Z, somehow it's sacrilegious.

[@kottonmouth1200]

Jay z said he regretted making Pig pimpin... That's how he sold out.

[@25bdizz]

have you listened to his best work?

[@Saturnize7]

scratch that. I loved american gangster

[@mykectown]

@chrisshavard Ah, OK, gotcha. Makes sense.

[@TheOnlyCoop]

These dudes are tripping even Biggie said Jay was better then him.

[@viberocsf]

@WuFinancial not THE greatest but sure as hell could be in the discussion of ONE of the greatest. Let's be honest here...even if his music concept wise has been going down over the years...he is still bar for bar better then anyone being played on national radio today

[@encdee]

@aleeshamorgan I dont hate on Jays grind. I dont hate the dude that cleans toilets at the gas station either. People got to work. Thats cool. But Jay as a rapper-his ability as an MC-thats another evaluation all together! As far as being "relevant" in the industry, THE WHOLE FUCKING INDUSTRY ISNT "RELEVENT"! Its for marketing sub-par MCs Seriously i dont listen to shit because of some "industry" FUCK THAT, i listen for skill, bars, beats, concepts,, message, hunger, creativity, BEASTNESS

[@quinn959]

Am I the only one who thinks the first Blueprint is his best album?

[@k2datrack]

"Proof" the rapper...realized it after i wrote it haha

[@kennithbinge]

@lm2707675 His lack of writing lyrics escalates Jay to that level. I think that's just a skill he has but to counter that, it doesn't mean he's a great emcee. It adds to what he does. Prime example. Waka Flocka don't write lyrics. Anymore. Sorry. Didn't mean to scare you.

[@Romagical]

Have you listened to resonable doubt, the blueprint, the black album, american gangster. to say jay-z is a materialistic rapper isn't fair since even the best rappers do that at times. "do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it" jay-z - renegade.

[@poisenctrl]

kanye is kobe to jay's jordan....

[@encdee]

@mykectown haha! i hear you. i have basically embraced the word "hater" as a compliment now. It has grown on me and i fully endorse it with dignity and pride. I mean seriously whatthe fuck?!?! with all the outrageous garbage today that has been super imposed upon hip hop "hater" just means your ears still work and are attached to a discerning brain that cant accept todays standards and thus whimsically discredit all the unprecedented skill of real MCs who have defined the extent of the art form

[@mkextra05]

if I were to judge solely d sheer quality of his raps in general,jay-z is an ave rapper 2 me tbh.im just giving him xtra props cuz of his process(as been said)on how he freestyles his sht. yo smbody enlighten me on this shit.d thing is ppl dnt rly know if dat shit is true. i dnt know if dat shit is true.He probably does freestyle SOME of his material just putting a healthy skepticism.But im clearly giving him d benefit of d doubt here. But as I said pure rap material he's not that impressive imo

[@Tyzilla20]

@freechildgold i mean hes underrated because he is compared to people like biggie whi only has like 2 albums and jay z who sold out. a long time ago

[@encdee]

Bust back two shots at these cats who's standin with cannons up on the rooftops that drew glocks, but my 20/20 spot em for two blocks I'm wettin shit like it's rainfall they doin dew drops Two more shots came out saloon doors I'm blowin shit up like platoon wars Hesitations I got no room for I soon saw, the head honcho was bullet wounds pour Out in the dusty sand, gun was still in his hand Kicked the can when shit hit the fan Fuckin around with this G Rap the Hitman

[@fredyortiz5132]

truth

[@FreeTheColonized]

"We talking about brooklyn's finest right now" lol

[@zzGore324]

i believe kanye is already passed up jay z... look at all the things Kanye is still doing, while jay z is just really just known for his past and all.. yeah he got tidal now but it aint poppin like Spotify or apple music and shit like that... Kanye is just staying more relevant in my opinion cause anything he does or says goes viral pretty much and Jay Z aint really doing much... MCHG was a let down while Yeezus was looked at as great by the majority.. plus he got swish coming soon-ish, i aint heard shit about Jay in a while... Kanye on top for me, he just a better musician and imo his flow and rhymes are better.

[@Luke_Segovia]

Kanye has made better music

[@mykectown]

@chrisshavard Really? Wow. I won't argue you, man. I just wonder how many people would agree with that. Interesting...

[@mtthew123]

Damn when gas prices were over $3 a gallon